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TONY ROMO

How Bout them Cowboys

Screw the Cowboys.

JLC, great stuff. I agree 100% on everything. Why Portis wasnt in the game, along with the WR, befuddles me and prolly will all season. Just put him on the practice squad and have someone else dress. Its kinda ridic how this coaching staff picks up on a player every year they hate and pretty much embarass him and make all of skins fans angry as well.

Big props Janso, nothing to argue with there.....thanks for great post....

Excellent analysis!! Many of the same things said above I said myself on the way home from the game last night.

QB play is main reason for Sucky Season and to deny is to deny the 1st RULE of football.

Brutal post...but true stuff.

Skins starting to look like posers once again.

Gibbs has gotta be the worst game day coach in the NFL (for the last several years).

(1) Why do these games still surprise fans ? Strip the numbers off the jerseys and these games look the same for the past 15 years. This organization has bred a culture of losing. It does not matter which coach, which players, which venue - the end result has been the same. LOSING. Finding new ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. This game could have been played under Norv Turner, Marty, Spurrier or Gibbs - same plays, same script, same result. The Giants are a dog and the Skins had every opportunity to beat them down and did not. But the players and coaches will gladly collect checks tomorrow for a farce. How many coaches really need to be reminded to play their best players when it counts ? Portis is one of the most physical backs in the NFL and he is watching the team lose on a goal-line stand they must have. Where was the vaunted 3rd down defense against a very pedestrian QB ? Rather than pass, why not run Portis, Betts, Carwright and Sellers at the Giants until they collapse ? Then look to open routes off play action ? Where are the angry and sullen players and where are the leaders on the sidelines ? I am a born and bred DC area native who has followed this team for decades. No more. I just turned down season tickets. I will not give Snyder and his organization the benefit of my hard earned dollars so that I can watch and feel this fiasco in person. Time to pack away the fan gear and watch SportsCenter. As they have famously said "Game over. Good night. Drive safely." We've seen this before over and over and over and over again. Insanity is doing the same thing expecting a different result. No more. So it's good night, season over, drive safely. I never thought I would see the day that the Skins are consistently outplayed and outcoached by the worst teams in the league. We have reached the level of the "Aints" and "Bungles."

(2) For all the postings which are pleading to show some hope, the point is being missed. If the loss today was out of the ordinary, then there can be some optimism for the season. However, this organization just continues the same trend season to season. They need an intervention of epic proportion. The Skins barely beat a horrible 0-3 Miami team at home and caught the Eagles on a bad night. The Eagles regrouped and opened a can against the Lions. Teams don't fear the Skins on the road or at home. The Giants have used them as a doormat for years. Now when the opportunity comes to return the favor the Skins are AWOL. Mentally and physically. Shameful. Despite losing today, Detroit - mind you, the Lions - racked up hundreds of yards of offense against the Eagles. The Skins used to beat the Lions without mercy adn owned them. Now, get ready for the Lions to torch the Skins - another loss. The Cardinals gave Baltimore all they could handle with a defense far better than the Skins. Chalk up another loss to a lesser team. And that;s not even considering the teams that are far better than the Skins at the moment - NE, Dallas, GB. Even teams like the Jets and Vikings will mount a challenge to the Skins not becuase of parity but because this team is afflicted with an underachieving mentality that has festered the last 15 years. Every season, the schedule is loaded with teams that the Skins should beat but they find ways to lose. Show me a season where this has not happened in the last 15 years. You can't. And despite the delusional thinking that things will be different, the evidence is right before you that things are just the same. THe columnists will just add a new date to a previous column and the press clippings from the team will be the same inane fodder that spews from an organization buried under the weight of futility.

(3) There is NO EXCUSE for losing at home to a division rival which was ranked 28th in total defense and 0-2 coming into the game. This was a chance to bury a dog team in disarray. Yes, teams do have off games - case in point, Philly. But they rebound (just ask the Lions about how it feels this morning)and do not repeat the same mistakes over and over and over again. The Skins did not lose the game due to flukes or extenuating circumstances - they lost because that is their culture. Players, coaches, owner. Miami, another 0-3 club, took the team into overtime at home. And Philly slept throgh their game - classic trap game for them and Andy Reid righted that ship.

Ever notice how other teams manage to change successfully ? Pittsburgh replaces Cowher with a young and untested Dungy disciple in Mike Tomlin and the team thrives. Years ago the Eagles stopped the culture of losing and brought in Andy Reid, an obscure QB coach at GB. NO hired Sean Payton and despite their woes this season he has made substantial changes in bringing a culture of success and winning. The Niners hire Mike Nolan, a former Skins coach, and he is turning that team around. Marvin Lewis, another former Skins coach, has transformed the Bengals from a joke to a playoff contender.

Keep telling yourself that because the team is 2-1 that good things are happening. You are blind to what is unraveling in front of your eyes. You cannot rationalize it away despite your hurculean efforts. The same patterns of behavior are in place. With time, Jason Campbell will be an excellent QB. That is not the issue. The issues are much larger and infect the entire team. Heart, desire, motivation, courage, passion, execution, yearning for excellence and pride, "manning up." All lacking in addition to the foul game-planning and play-calling. You can't refute history and current facts with pining away for hope.

The secondary is not improved. It just isn't.

I agree with everything. I'm concerned with how they will respond to this out of the bye week. That will tell us whether we are looking at a contender or a pretender. The veteran leadership needs to step up. This is a good team and a season needs not to be wasted on "could haves."

Cowboys look pretty good, I must admit. But their D is a cause for concern. The only offense they have really stopped is the laughable Chicago offense. They outscored Miami and New York, but Miami moved the ball against them effectively and New York torched them.

Whoever is responsible for Betts being on the field instead of Portis at the end, unless Portis was injured or something, should be fired. I don't care if it was Byner or who. Betts is AVERAGE! Our O-line, when healthy, is dominant and that is why Betts puts up above average numbers when he gets the carries. Anyone who thinks he's a better power back between the tackles than Portis does not know much about football.

I have said it many times....but Gibbs should hire Russ Grimm next year while he still has power, go be president of the team...jettison GG and weird Al...

That would be true Gibbs 2.0: Russ Grimm

Well as usual, I agree with everything sween says. I also agree with the scouts inc. article someone posted about needing to take the handcuffs off Campbell. We have had plenty of time to learn the offense good enough to open it up more. Campbell is the real deal if they would just let him play and stop worrying about making mistakes. Our first two games JC made three mistakes and we still won them(2 in the 1st game and 1 in the 2nd) . Yesterday he didn't but we got conservative trying not to make mistakes and lost that way. We were conservative until we couldn't be anymore, then Campbell took us down the field. Yeah, he made a couple of high throws, but he completed the 4th down passes with the pressure on even more. He is capable of doing it if we let him. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'd rather lose taking our shots than to be conservative and still lose, I mean, the iggles almost came back on us like yesterday (but no one talked about it cuz we still won).

Disgusted, again, I say, go root for another team. Take your whine and cheese somewhere else. You gave a laundry list of team's that are according to you better than the Skins, so go root for one of them, and quit your b*tching.

The secondary is improved. You'd have to be a fool to say otherwise. Last year Carlos was the No.1 corner for much of the year with Springs out and the Reaper was paired with Archuleta. Springs, Rogers, Taylor, and Landry are significantly better. They aren't at 2005 levels. At least not yet. But they are clearly improved.

You cannot blame this game on the D. They got 3 turnovers (the Taylor interception was a gimme because the D line got great pressure) including two short fields. Culprit No. 1 was offensive playcalling in the second half (not enough running the ball and not enough attempts at a kill shot) and Culprit No. 2 was just poor execution by the offensive players.

I disagree with some of the criticism of Campbell. He is a young QB, but he is clearly a clutch performer and is unfazed mistakes by his o-line. I'm going to watch the TIVO tonight, but I would be shocked if it was his call to spike the ball. I'm going to bet Gibbs and Bugel were showing him the spike signal.

My Three Things:

1) Saunders is not calling the plays.
2) The defense is overrated and still significantly flawed.
3) Portis must be on the field at the end of the game.

Get used to it all you KoolAid guzzlers: it's the school of hard knocks and it's time to ring the bell. Being a fan does not mean waving the pom-poms each and every week - if that is what you prefer, look for the cheerleading blogs.

rockytopskin--

Take the handcuffs off Campbell? What on earth are you talking about?

Didn't you read what Jason wrote above? Seven consecutive passes, of which he missed the two deep passes. Look at the dude's statistics: 44/84 for the year, 2 TDs and 3 INTs. A qb rating of 69.6. The man needs to play better before we can rely on him to win games for us.

Disgusted, I don't wave the pom-poms, by any stretch. I also don't sit there and piss and whine like a little biatch like you. You've made your point about the Redskins, the horse is dead. Go root for another team. Stop torturing us by posting your assinine thoughts, and stop torturing yourself by rooting for this team.

#27 JC 44 84 52.4 compl% 2TD 3INT
69.6 QB Rating

OK,OK

JLaC - right on sweetie. I ALSO believe it is our coaching mental errors that are killing us.

Also - Jason, I, for one, greatly appreciate your efforts here on this blog. *hugs*

It always cracks me up when sports journalists think they know football.

The 40+ run rule is a RESULT of winning, it doesn't CAUSE the win.

You get to run 40+ times in a win because the run is working, and you are winning.

The run wasn't working for the Skins. You can't run the ball 40+ times for 1 yard and expect to win just because you ran it 40 times. That is the worst logic ever, but expected from a beat writer who doesn't know football.

It doesn't work that way. That rule makes sense because most the time TEAMS WHO ARE WINNING RUN A BUNCH IN THE 4TH QUARTER.

Unfortunately for the Skins, the run was going nowhere.

Sports journalists aren't even qualified to cover high school football games.

Well, close. Use your spellcheck next time and say what you really want - man up.

As for the horse, better analogy is the season.

"Gibbs said he called the final plays, taking over the job that usually belongs to assistant coach Al Saunders."

--NFL.com

That was where I stopped thinking of St. Joe and replaced him with Joe the Schmoe.

Agree with the call for hiring Russ Grimm. Tired of Snyder going after the "sexy name" with each coaching hire.

I am glad to hear your JLC's comments about the lack of running game in the second half. Absolutely agree that the end around is not what this NFC battle demanded. It's been clear to me that when we run the ball and stick with the run, good things happen. It was true in Gibbs I and it's been true in Gibbs II. Playing with a lead, run on first and second with Portis to the strength of your line. If they stop us, fine, but let's give them our best shot. Let's run time off the clock and take pressure off of our young QB. The coaching staff put entirely too much pressure on Campbell, not to mention our D, by not continuing to pound the Giants. What a debacle!

Jason, did you get a new printer? I have been waiting all weekend to find out what you decided to purchase. My preference is Canon, but the ink can be pricey.

Maybe this has been asked before, but would it have been that hard to run a play, any play at the goal line on first down when the Giants were catching their breath instead of telegraphing a spike into the turf? Seriously, how bad could the outcome have been?

Greg(boston) it is you who tortures yourself and others with assine hopes that arent even possible if all the other teams played theyre High school teams against this poor excuse for a NFL team!

Seriously, how bad could the outcome have been?

Posted by: CheekyMonkey | September 24, 2007 01:19 PM

Well, the way Portis and Campbell were handling the ball, it could have been a fumble.

The Sallie Mae/What A Joke back 2 back posts....kinda funny contrast...

Just lookin for yucks where I ca, laughter soothes the pain...

Disgruntled...wow quite a screed...not breaking new ground there...u have some points but when you talk of picking other team...well than F U

It is sad that a Cowboys fan is trolling our blog enough to actually post first. Kind of weird.

I think it was Wynn or Daniels last season who said something like "Its never as bad or as good as it looks." Yesterday was a much closer game than it feels like now ... and Miami was WAY closer than we remember it. [I enjoyed the Philly game too much to remember if it was really as good as it looked ... whiskey may have been involved.]

Yesterday, nine games were decided by one scoring opportunity. Of those, four by a field goal. I don't want to start talking loser-talk, because I still think the Skins are on the plus side of the bell curve, but I only see teams on the far ends of the curve -- New England and Buffalo (coming soon, the Toronto Bills!).

Sure would be good if the Skins could do a mid-season trade for a healthy (and dependable) WR and/or CB. Feels like the rest of the season is going to be decided by one score ... just feels like the rest of the Skins games are not really going to feel like they're over until the final seconds of the game (like yesterday).

That said, it does feel better to feel like the team is competitive (as opposed to, say, having Brunell as the starter). Only thirteen more games of needing to avoid serious injuries. Woo hoo!

Hire Ron Meeks. Defensive coordinator for the Colts, Dungy school of coaching, and former secondary coach for the Skins. Find a sound offensive mind who can run a true "West Coast" offense - power running complemented by passes that strech the defense.
Seems the Skins years ago found an unknown coach named Joe Gibbs and resurrected a franchise. Time to repeat history.

Any news on a Portis or Moss injury? I agree sween, but my nerves can't handle the nail biters every week!lol

Lets face it,we are trouble this year. Our offense was fine in 2005 but no....we had to change it for a big name coordinator and now we can't even score on the 1 yard line with three attempts at it. Our starting corner can't tackle while the other plays with a chip on his shoulder becuase he almost got traded or cut. The fact is folks this team is a pretender. Whatever they have tried to do and thye have tried, isn't working. If this team was a contender, they won't have let an 0-2 team the worst defense in the league walk all over them and allow them to make smart adjustments. You have to finish games off in this league and capitalize on turnovers and broken moral....this team didn't. Even in Joe Gibbs press conference yesterday he even said he doesn't expect this team to "dominate " games. C'mon, isn't that what you want to do every week.
Thats what Belichick preaches to his team, just don't beat them...destroy them. Joe I love you and you deserve your Hall of Fame honour but you need to adapt to the new millenium style of football...destroy and finish youor opponent and exploit their weaknesses; something you didn't do yesterday. The Giants were 32nd...yes 32nd in the league against the pass and you chose to run it when you couldn't run the ball at all in the second half. I hope Joe and this team have learned something.

As for JLC's analysis that the 'Skins should run 40 times a game, smart teams exploit what the defense gives them. Chicago was stuffing the 'Boys run attack, so they passed like crazy in the second half.

If the Gints have 8 men in the box, is Soups supposed to NOT audible out to a pass? Ludicrous.

There is no magic rushing/passing ratio, JLC.

A couple of things:

-HP Printers do in fact suck, but I can tell you that without question Lexmark are a million times worse. In fact, I recently swapped out my 7 year-old HP and trashed my Lexmark PSC, which was only 18 months old.

-With regard to the right side of the line, am I the only one who noticed that we had Cooley on the right side matched up ONE-ON-ONE with Strahan? Textbook definition of the term "Mismatch". I dunno wtf the coaches were thinking putting Cooley in that position- he's an excellent pass catcher, but blocking- especially in pass protection- is hardly his strength, and putting him on an island against a first-ballot Hall-Of-Famer is beyond bizzare.

The Boys passed more in the second half and then came back to a crushing rushing offense that had attitude - they wanted to hurt the Bears. They were knocking heads with LBs and safeties.

Wilbon chat going on blasting the 'Skins play-calling.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2007/09/21/DI2007092100497.html

The lightbulb has started to come on now.

Other highlight of yesterday's game ... the Harley Davidson Washington Redskins Cheerleaders! Great quarter squad captaining by my fave, LeAnne.

Also, I don't want Cowher to be the Skins coach. I'm thinking that 4 out of 5 of the posts calling for hiring Cowher as head coach are by The Owner himself (i.e., focus group marketing). Splashy and fashionable? Sure. Screw that. Too much risk in relying on someone who remembers how HE supposedly won a Super Bowl.

The next head coach should be some guy in his mid-30s with no kids and no life outside of football. Some zen master who happens to enjoy sleeping on the couch in his office. Maybe one of Buddy Ryan's boys. [I think one is a coordinator in Baltimore (?) and the other one maybe in Oakland (?).]

Why does everyone bash the Skins when they win saying it won't last? Why does everyone bash when the Skins when they loose, saying i told you so?

As much as I like the information Jason give us, I hate all the rocks that are thrown no matter how the Skins do. In my opinion, a TRUE Skins fan would root the Skins on, no matter how good or bad they are doing.

As for the Cowboys fans.... You SUCK! However, the Philly fans are worse.

Go root for the F'n cowF's then, DisgustedFan.

www.firegibbs.com

Your longest post in a while. I guess you've been waiting to unload like that for a few weeks. You make some good points, but your tone certainly doesn't help dissuade the anti-JLC crew.

Also, I'm glad you deemed that Snyder interview not worth covering without even watching it. Who needs "all-access", when we have such worthy filters as yourself. Seriously, who cares if it's an inflated PR-piece; you can sometimes read between the lines on those things. And as a journalist, I can't imagine you favoring no access to information over access to controlled information.

I'm sorry, but it wasn't the drive with 7 passes in a row that lost the Skins the ballgame. By then it was already way too late to attempt to "establish the running game." Hell, that drive gave the Redskins their 1st first down of the 2nd half.

What killed the Redskins yesterday was their obvious play calling on their previous 4 drives... you know, the ones that resulted in 0 first downs. A ten-year-old could have guessed what they were going to do.

I agree, Gibbs need to step down. Please Joe..... Either Cowher or Grimm

I think we saw the true Skins yesterday, same ole story. I was there & it was worse in person than on TV. They looked like an unorganized HS team, they got way too conservative in the 2nd half, & once again they blew a very winnable game. I am through kidding myself. They are 8-8 if they are lucky & until little danny stops playing GM they won't be any good. I hate to say it but I also think they need to take a hard look at Gibbs too. I think he has lost his edge, the game has semi past him by. What's more , he has got to start letting the O coordinator make the calls or fire him.

Because the fan base has been taken advantage of. The total disarray of the team does not create any trust that the wins can continue and to expect the worst. Losing, especially in demoralizing ways, breeds more of the same. And then being fed platitudes just adds insult to injury.

WOW, talk about piling on.

I find it funny that after the Eagles game on Monday night there was no Tuesday recap of the game on this blog, simply the names of some O-Lineman they were bringing in to replace Thomas. Maybe b/c JLC picked the Eagles to win.

Now they lose their first game and we get the longest blog post of the season ripping every facet of the coaching staff and team. I don't want you to love the Skins, but do you have to jump on them every time something goes wrong?

And the light just gets brigher and brighter...

Arch Deluxe had an interception yesterday!

I like Randle El's production, but wish he wouldn't celebrate like an 18 year old kid after every good play he makes. How old is he?

I didn't see it -- what did LaVar have to say on Comcast after the game?

I wonder if Wilbon (the Bears homer) will take my question about how the Bears could lose at home yesterday, too?

He will probably blame Grossman.

Carlos Rogers is VERY overrated too. He couldn't cover La Canfora.

Thanks, JLAC, great post. Anyone on hear saying "this is just 1 loss", doesn't know there asss from a hole in the ground. This was more than "just 1 loss". Its how they lost. GIBBS must go, or we will continue to see this crap. Gibbs is lost and clueless this time around.

If you want access to the Skins public relations machine, you have the wrong website. JLC should pull no punches. KoolAid and burgundy and gold glasses are not required attire.

One of the reasons Gibbs handed over the offense to Saunders was to be able to focus on game management, no? Wasn't that one of the things that was said when Saunders was hired? So what does it say when we continue to show the worst game management in critical situations in the entire league? We already know Joe called the last couple plays, but I bet you The Receiver's bonus it extends far beyond that.

Joe Gibbs has neutered Al Saunders.

"Lets face it,we are trouble this year...."

Posted by: Jeff | September 24, 2007 01:26 PM

Interesting macro points, Jeff, but the head coach alone doesn't make or break the season. The season also involves a roster of guys whose day job is to play football professionally and personally. Some big egos on the Skins roster, which could translate into real December leadership ... or a pity party.

The farthest I could go to join your reasoning would be something like "let's face it, we are in trouble next week." After yesterday, I'm on the chRIs Larry bandwagon of "F season predictions."

Also, I don't think we are in trouble next week ... I'm thinking we kick the crap out of the Bye Week. After next Sunday, I'll be ready to talk about the Lions game.

This team has alot of issues, they got glazed over with 2 wins but watch them come out now. Losing the right side of the O line will be the least of their concerns this season.....

Joe Gibbs has neutered Al Saunders.

To say the least!

"en fuego".....stay on the porch if you can't run with the big dogs.

DisgustedFan: Because the fan base has been taken advantage of. The total disarray of the team does not create any trust that the wins can continue and to expect the worst. Losing, especially in demoralizing ways, breeds more of the same. And then being fed platitudes just adds insult to injury.
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Unfortunatly, you are one of the worst that feed off of any negativity you can find. You think you have to find the negatives in order to look good yourself.

JLaC,
Ordinarily I'd be right there with you on running the ball 40 times and pounding it. But the achilles heel of the Giants is the passing game and I think that showed. The thing that killed them in the 2nd half was that drive where JC and Moss were running different playbooks. More mis-communication. And speaking of playbooks, sure Al didn't pull out the Brunell version for the 2nd half? Even if he was hurt I would have put Portis in for those last 3 plays just to put it in the Giants mind that he would get the ball. The would allow JC to play-action and maybe spot Cooley (who spent much of the 2nd half in protection!) in the end zone.

BTW, Loved the HP story. Great! Just great! Keep up the good work.

When you have a bad team down, you step on their throat, you don't twiddle away the lead playing NOT to lose.... I thought Joe had learned something from watching me handle my Ex wives....

Jeff,

To re-hash points already made:

1) League stats don't mean anything when you're only 2 weeks into a season;

2) You may be right about the coaches - I think too many coaches are on staff, but others have addressed this;

3) Most teams in the NFL aren't dominant. If you expected the Redskins to turn into a dominant team based on what happened last year or early this year, then you were fooling yourself.

You mentioned Belichick in your post. Belichick also probably preaches "Don't just beat them...destroy them using this tape that decoded all their defensive signals and calls." Sorry - just trying to add some levity.

Finally, I'm beginning to suspect that DisgruntledFan is a troll. Ignoring him might be the best course of action from now on. It would take someone truly insane to waste time posting on a Redskins message board who actually feels the way he says he feels.

Have the courage to look at the situation clearly and succintly - the team is in a continuing negative posture that dates back 15 years ago so address it and drive change. Teams in worse shape have been transformed. And as a fan, there is no excuse for accepting this situation.

Ghost of JKC, I don't see anything that happened since the end of last season looking like The Owner has been playing mini-GM. Seems like all the moves look kind of understated and conservative ... like the Team President might actually be making the football decisions. [Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of The Owner, but that particular gripe sounds a little outdated right now.]

Dominant??? They couldn't put away a team that was 0-2, had lost their starting RB, had a QB with a bum shoulder, & a D that was scored on at will by 2 other teams.... dominant? They look pathetic....

Ah, young Jason. Now I see that you are the "26-year old reporter who doesn't know anything" that the Danny referred to in his interview.

Here's the thing, kid: Paraphrasing Bill Clinton, "It's the offense, stupid". The offense failed to give the defense any time to breathe in the second half. Why? 40% of the starting O-line -- Pro Bowl-caliber guys -- are essentially out for the season. Portis dropped both a simple handoff and a 3rd-down pass when we really needed him. The young but improving QB was indecisive in critical moments. Sure, it's hard to be tough on a kid who got us a yard from overtime, but the fact is his growing pains are the biggest reason the second half fell apart. While I was not fond of the play calling from the 1, I also recognize I am only a fan. On my best day I can't measure myself against any NFL coach (not even Norv!).

Observe, comment, even criticize (with dignity and respect) if you must. But please don't presume for even the briefest instant that anything you think now or anytime in the future will measure up to the most mundane thought Joe Gibbs has ever had. I mean, after a game like that the best you can offer is "where was Lloyd"? Your ranting today ranks up there with the incompetent Brian Mitchell, who is as much a team cancer on TV as he was in the locker room. Maybe we can send you both to Philly where you belong.

I've read my last Redskins Insider. You're not a bad writer, but the clear conflict between reporting and blogging has a corrosive effect on your integrity and reputation. Your malice and obvious bias while doing the latter has simply gotten out of hand and destroyed the credibility that any true reporter would strive for.

Therefore, I no longer consider myself a fan. I'm out of here, goodbye.

No better forum to air diversity of opinion.

Haters and cowgirl a$$clowns seem to have taken over the blog. May they enjoy yelling at each other for all of eternity. Time to find another place to hang out.

How much longer do any of you think we can ride the shoe laces of a 80s HOF coach who cant even time mge a game?This will be last year National media doesnt lable our once PROUD franchise a COMPLETE JOKE? That will begin toward end and calls for forced retirement will begin.THANK GOD

dcsween, don't kid yourself, the midget is VERY involved. He sits in & makes "suggestions" on draft day, $igns guys when the team is still debating the guys worth, etc. He has his butt kisser Currato out there spying every day too. It's not a good situation.

Somewhat amusing, more juvenile than anything else.

Joe's Gotta Go!!!

Don't let the door hit your a$$ on the way out, DisgustedFan!

I still believe Skins will win games against Packers, Lions and Cards.

5-1!!! Whose with me?

No worry - I'm here for the long haul.

not me or anyone else with a brain

Pete,

That is by far the best post I've read on this blog all season and I couldn't agree with you more.

Right now, as they are, they MIGHT win 1 of the next 3..... could easily lose all 3 playing like they did yesterday.

It's obvious there are a lot of things to *like* out there. The problem is simply that they lost a game in a fashion that we have become all too familiar with the last three (or fifteen) years. 2-0 gave us hope that they had moved beyond that. They clearly have not, and it's particularly ranklesome to the fanbase.

Jason:

Nice analysis. So much for the "the offense was too conservative" argument. Why the shot at Dan at the end? It's giving ammo to those who say you are a bitter little man.

I think everyone should freely express his/her opinion on here without being told to go somewhere else. I respect everyones opionion from the optimist to the realist, everyone always has an intresting view on a subject whether I agree with it or not. I don't agree with everything DisgustedFan has to say but I do say I can agree with 65% of what was posted. Until the Redskins get a real front office, this team will be the laughing stock of the NFL. Gibbs as great of coach he is, is not a GM. I really do not want to bash Joe Gibbs, nor am I blaming him for the losing that has occured during his return thus far, but even Gibbs will say "It starts with someone", usually that is followed up by, "And it starts with me", I don't believe that, and deep down I think Gibbs dosen't believe it either. Dan Snyder was a genius for bringing back Joe J. Gibbs. He knew if the team faltered he didn't have to worry about fans calling for the coach's job, it's Joe Gibbs. He knew if he was to kinda indirectly suggest that Joe Gibbs is in charge of player personnel and calling plays, and have Joe Gibbs week in and week out take blame for loss after loss, he could just sit back and watch the money roll in while a 66 year old man is suffering mentally and emotionally. You wanna blame someone, blame freakin' Dan Snyder, I really don't know how he is/was forgotten in all of this. He is the worse. WashPo had a survey of if you could who would you bring back to the skins. I don't remember all of the choices but the three I do remember were: 1)LaVar Arrington 2)Champ Bailey 3)The Cook Family. Make mine the Cook's. Yeah the Skins were bad six years before Dan Dan showed up but were coached by Norv Turner. I think all of the grief and fustrations can be traced to Snyder. He fires Schottenheimer after one season, brings in Spurrier -FLOP, and finally not because of childhood idolization but as pawn, front man if you will. Kinda like that guy in Casino who signed all the documents giving people loans (Ah, The Teamsters. Isn't that what Jimmy Hoffa did too?) but took all his Q's from the mob. Gibbs is out there taking blame for player personnel moves, a percentage should be placed on Gibbs as well, but Snyder knew Gibbs was probably not the best fit for this team -right now.

Jason/JLa,

I must compliment you on this post. I think it was an excellent breakdown of the game. Let it not be said that I never say anything good about you.

For those of you who don't agree with him about the run/pass ratio: sometimes, all a team has to do to win is run straight up the middle for no gain every down. I know it seems odd, but it's true.

At the same time, I do find this point made earlier to be interesting:

"I find it funny that after the Eagles game on Monday night there was no Tuesday recap of the game on this blog, simply the names of some O-Lineman they were bringing in to replace Thomas. Maybe b/c JLC picked the Eagles to win.

Now they lose their first game and we get the longest blog post of the season ripping every facet of the coaching staff and team. I don't want you to love the Skins, but do you have to jump on them every time something goes wrong?

Posted by: TheGuru10 | September 24, 2007 01:36 PM "

Yes...very interesting indeed. I wouldn't go so far as to say you ripped EVERY facet of the coaching staff and team, but you must confess it's an interesting contrast.

Way to go Jasno, nice post. Being there in the stands and slowly watching our lead dwindle until it was all but lost, I kept asking myself why we weren't running the ball... and why oh why the SJK couldn't we stop the gints on 3rd and longs?

What topped everything was trying to flee FedEx, my car was stopped for about 45 minutes in the parking lot right next to a Giants post game tail gate. Salt in an open wound brothers and sisters.

I am 0-3 at Fed Ex field and 6-0 at RFK for the Nats and the United. Maybe I should go to more Nats games and stick to watching the Skins on the couch.

The ONLY good part about paying $100 for a tix to see that mess right now is the bimbo cheerleaders. Which one is the future Mrs Cooley? I was curious which one will be divoring him a few years & taking half of that bonus he just got.

My rebutal to dcsween and jcabana.

Lets face it guys the coaches call the play. The team executes the play. If you were coaching the Skins yesterday on a 1st and goal, would you have run to the left side twice knowing that you didn't run the ball effectively in the second half and knowing that the giants are going to go after the left side because it is obvious that was where we were running all day.
2 games into the season is early for stats , I agree but if a team has given up 80 points in two games and sucks in the secondary; wouldn't you expose that? I don't expect the Skins to dominate every game but the should dominate an 0-2 opponent at home up 17-3 at the half. You can say what you want about Belichick but he is the master of modern day football. Listen I want the Skins to have a great year because I don't see Joe sticking around if they don't make the playoffs. The offense was fine in 2005, we did we tweek it; ITS NOT WORKING!

J Campbell isn't the answer either. He makes me think Jay S when I watch him , but even more unsure.

Yeah, you can't run 40 times in the second half if you only get 4 possessions. The defense couldn't get off the field; these things work hand in hand... None of this is new: Campbell didn't play any differently than he did the first 2 games; the Giants just didn't catch his picks. If McNabb could get some accuracy last week, they would've lost that one, too. This team is what it is...

Its TIME for all FED UP fans,

TO ITA

all the fans on this blog who continue to not be able to accept reality? Lets put it in a way that has to wake you up?

Our last SB was in 1991 that was 16 yrs ago and anybody who is 26yrs old and younger chances are(they were 10 or younger)they dont remember? same cant be said from 70s to 90s?

This Franchise has been seriously tarnished and no other teams and theyre fans fear us?

Jeff, I was agreeing with you for the most part. I think coaching is a problem. Breathe.

SCSkinsFan, i still recommend ignoring the troll.

Kudos to SkinsRealist for the respectful posting.

What many are missing here is that I have been a fan for four decades of this team and have been a diehard supporter until I reached my disgust threshold last season in the opening game. I don't switch teams, I don't root for winners, I'm not a "termite." I endured years of abuse as a Skins fan in Philly and never wavered. But at some point, as a fan you need to take a critical view and decide how best to support the team. For me, that means not buying merchandise or tickets and denying the team that small token income, watching the scores and highlight (or lowlight) on ESPN and cable on-demand but also not rooting against the team or for another team. I am dismayed that too many fans line up and check their common sense at the stadium - YOU as fans drive the success of the team and should be outraged that the organization is so contemptuous of your support.

LAVAR ARRINGTON SPEAKS:

The Sideline is scheduled to open in December and it sits practically in the shadow of FedEx Field, where Arrington played six seasons and became the face of the Redskins' franchise.

Instead of sitting in on daily linebacker meetings, Arrington now huddles with marketing, financial, architectural and culinary advisers about his 7,500 square-foot restaurant, which will feature a bar that sits inside a towering makeshift football and a VIP lounge that hovers above the restaurant floor like a press box.

"I am so at peace with my life," says Arrington, who had just bought his motorcycle days before the accident and was issued two citations by police for not having a motorcycle license and for the crash itself. "I don't feel lost, I don't feel any depression. I feel great. Me and my wife, we have a fire pit on our deck outside of our master bedroom and we have been sitting out there at night roasting marshmallows."

Arrington gets all soft and mushy when talking about retirement and the Giants, who released him in February. Unlike Tiki Barber, Arrington is a Tom Coughlin fan.

"Coughlin took care of me, man," says Arrington, who signed a seven-year, $49 million pact with the Giants as a free agent in 2006. "I am not supporting Coughlin over Tiki and I am not supporting Tiki over Coughlin. They took care of me. Ownership, management, I wish them all the best because they are a class act."

Arrington does not say the same about Daniel Snyder, the Redskins owner who drafted him second overall in 2000. After making the Pro Bowl from 2001 to 2003 and signing an eight-year, $68 million extension with the Redskins near the end of the 2003 season, Arrington clashed with Snyder over a nasty financial dispute. The linebacker and his agent claimed that he was shortchanged $6.5 million of the extension.

Arrington, who suffered a knee injury that required surgeries in 2004 and 2005, fell out of favor with Joe Gibbs' coaching staff and was labeled a freelancer who didn't fit in defensive coordinator Gregg Williams' scheme.

"I hate the way that Dan Snyder and Joe Gibbs handled things," says Arrington, who settled his dispute with Snyder and surrendered $2 million to get out of his contract in 2006. "So I don't have a liking for them particularly. I made three Pro Bowls under crazy circumstances. People wouldn't even know how complicated it is to be a Washington Redskin. I am not a mudslinger so I won't get into details of it."

Arrington credits Snyder - who once called his franchise linebacker "a Redskin through and through" -- with teaching him how to become a shrewd businessman.

"I will be a successful businessman based on probably 85% of the things I have learned from Daniel Snyder," says Arrington, who is starting a clothing line with Baltimore linebacker Ray Lewis and former University of Miami linebacker Rohan Marley and is doing analysis for a local network. "It appears that (the Redskins) pay more money (than other teams). Dan Snyder is brilliant in that he knows how to backload, he knows that if he wants to pay, he has at least two to three years to decide if he really wants to pay you what your contract is (worth). Or he will restructure you and guarantee you more money and you will get some, but it is not what people think it is.

"Watch what they will do," Arrington continues. "They will get rid of (running back) Clinton (Portis) before they have to pay him his crazy amount of money. They will get rid of (offensive lineman) Chris Samuels. That is how they do business. Or they restructure you."

Still, Arrington's logo for his restaurant is painted in the Redskins' burgundy and gold. He loves the franchise and is still beloved here by its rabid fans. Dozens of shoppers wished Arrington a speedy recovery while he was standing outside his restaurant in an outdoor mall located where the old Capital Centre used to stand.

With designs on a charity initiative called "Grand Destiny" that will house 100 foster children from the area, the man once labeled the next Lawrence Taylor has no problem moving on from a seven-year career that fizzled due to injuries and ended with him limping off the Texas Stadium turf last year. After escaping his crash with just a couple of broken bones, Arrington wants to focus on mending the lives of the needy now.

"Probably the reason why things didn't pan out the way I would have liked them to is because I was more than an NFL player to begin with," Arrington says of his charities and business aspirations and his life now. "I'm busy, bro. Make a tackle, eh, that's cool. You'll make a million. Run fast, eh, that's cool, make a million.

Bring in Cowher!

Disgusted:

That makes a bit more sense. The switching teams thing is odd. I am not a koolaid junkie, I have said,thought all these before to. Me (and have been a fan since 79) I just love loving the team, so its hard..I take the abuse stupidly. I get your point about the merchandise and not buying, and well since I dont go to games and get my skins merch at second hand shops (I am retro like that) that is hollow for me...

I appreciate the tough logh...maybe just not the screaming angst and charges of "not getting it"

Its a sad day when we cant share opinions, laugh, cry, dissect without this level of vitrol at EACHOTHER...especially with the rollz out in full force....

Gossip: Shaq's wife fell for Cuban personal trainer

We've heard some juicy new info on why Shaquille O'Neill so abruptly filed for divorce. Shaq,35, says he found out his wife Shaunie Nelson, 32, had been hiding money and investments. But the financial shenanigans weren't the ONLY reason Shaq called the marriage off. According to our source, Shaunie has been having a raging affair with one of Shaq's personal trainers - described as "a muscular Cuban." When Shaunie fell for this guy she started stashing money away and went so far as to put a secret down payment on a HOUSE that she plans to share with the Cuban! Shaq's team Miami Heat pays him 20 million a year so he's not suffering much, and remember, Shaq originally stole Shaunie from his BEST FRIEND so maybe it's a case of just desserts. -- Janet Charlton's Hollywood Gossip

i for one think we were too conservative...but by that i dont mean we shouldnt have run the ball more...youre spot on with that...especially in the second half...what i mean is we need to stretch the field when they do pass...too much intermediate stuff...we need to get back to old school skins smashmouth football and big passing plays...pound the rock and stretch the field...stretch the field and pound the rock...we need to be throwing those 20-30 yard routes that are killing us on the other side of the ball...pound the rock...and more shots down field...oh and pound the rock!!!!

stretching the field opens up the run and the intermediate stuff...its hard to get the running game going when you only go 10 yards deep with passes...

the weakest secondary in the league and we didnt take advantage of that often enough...stretch the field and pound the rock!!!

While I appreciate Jason and his work on this blog, today's post was chock full of piss and vinegar for the team. If you just read today's post you'd swear that we hadn't won a single game yet. Seemed to be a little too angry and too critical if you ask me.

We're 2-1 right?

Redskins can win the game easy yesterday, but look like they are selling the game to NY Giant for money.

The Lions are 2-1 as well. What does that tell you ?

CP had 14 rushes 60 yds 1td 4.4 avg.
looks good right? He also had 1 lg run of 16 which then would drop that avg to 3.3 which is why Gibbs had no faith and Jason you shouldnt spin facts to please people? 3 straight 3& outs & a fumble is why gibbs COULDNT stick to RUN!

Don't worry we got 14 games to play. Every team got the bad day.

DisgustedFan,

THAT I can totally agree with. Maybe you're a real fan after all. If so, please accept my apologies.

What you just described in your last post is tough love. Shouting at a group of hardcore fans about how you've abandoned the team and how they've never amounted to anything in over a decade? That's not tough love. That's just obvious -- and kind of rude to boot. We all know about the negative front office issues, and I'd still rather be a Redskins fan than, say, an Orioles fan.

I agree: if fans hit Snyder in the pocketbook, he would have real incentive to turn the team around. Until he does, he'll keep making marketing moves designed to generate hope instead of hard, less-glamorous decisions designed to win games.

That last series of downs will go into the NFL Films archive as some of the worst game management on every level. It rivals what used to pass for football in forsaken markets like NO and Cincinatti. Piss and vinegar is called for.

Maybe the worst logic in the world is taking the one long run out of somebody's total and then saying "now look." I mean, there is really nothing more absurd.

The Lions being 2-1 tell you the same thing as the Redskins being 2-1: that it's not time to jump off a bridge because your team lost one game.

Greg, we are all pissed today. The game was not only ours for the taking but it was the manner in whcih we lost. All Skins fans thought that those kind of losses were a thing of the past....we were wrong. We are angry because we feel that this frnachise will never turn the corner and that for evry step forward that we take...we take two steps back. So understandably....were are pissed.

So on what day of the week does the blog get back to "normal?" I mean when can I expect the arguing and "F yous" to subside.

I know the cowgirl fans won't go away. Those guys are like roaches (when the 'girls are winning).

CP had 14 rushes 60 yds 1td 4.4 avg.
looks good right? He also had 1 lg run of 16 which then would drop that avg to 3.3

Posted by: ITA all SPINERS | September 24, 2007 02:14 PM

UHHHHH right but then it wouldn't be his average would it.

This team was out rushed by a TIKI less & Jacobs less Giants rush offense? What happen to all that braging about Portis-Betts backfield and CP not participating in the OFFSEASON is a joke!

HOLY COW!

All of you are right in some ways, but going way overboard on other items... Carlos Rogers is who he is, same as last week. CALM DOWN. He's decent, but no shut down... He's got work to do...

Biggest problem was we could not run the ball and the Giants D imposed their will on us when tried to Run...

The Reaper is a load of over-hyped BS. I'm in a love/hate relationship with him... He cannot keep over pursuing guys like he did w the P Burress TD pass/run. That is BS... He's not a rookie or 2nd year guy andymore and GW better stick it to him. That cannot go unmentioned. IF he did his job as centerfielder he would have made a solid tackle to PREVENT THE BIG PLAY. BTW - His interception was a gimme from LBM. Taylor gets too much credit. I was a big proponenet of him, but his performance seemed to go down in the middle of last year. He was being relied on too much to make too many tackes because of the porous line and LB's... He doesn't have to be a a highlight machine. If those secondaey/safety coaches can't get him straight they need to go...

Coaches need to address why Cooley is pass blocking so much that is BS. If our line can't protect JC well enough then we need a better O line. End of Story. Stop F'in away picks and build this team's foundation on the O and D line.

We are what we are this year... 9-7 at best... but that was a game we needed and simply gave away, like last year and the middle games in 2005.

ITA skinz for not recognizing the reality between 4.4 & 3.3

I don't know how you can fault the defense for this loss.

The offense couldn't run the ball and sustain drives. JC is young, he's going to be awesome, but he's young. He showed flashes of brilliance on that final drive, and lots of youth on the drives previous to that. Like Rypien's first full season in 1990, JC makes some dumb mistakes and some brilliant plays. It'll take time, you have to give the kid a chance. Meanwhile, when you have a young QB, it is positively inexplicable to me that they didn't put the game on CP's shoulders. They have a franchise back and they're not using him, or they're not telling us the truth about his injury condition.

And, once more I have to reiterate: three-fifths of that offensive line were not starters in training camp. The running game is purely one-dimensional at this point, running behind Samuels and Kendall. This is why Randy Thomas isn't on IR: the coaching staff knows that they're a .500 team with the state of the line as it is, and they are praying that he gets back in time to help them make a run.

Finally, we need to give major props to Rock Cartwright, ARE, and the whole special teams. Aside from Shazam's one missed FG, they were close to perfect.

Oh, and one more thing...because I love football as much as I love the 'Skins: the Cowboys were pretty impressive last night. It would make me cry to see them in the Super Bowl, but you have to admit that they look pretty good.

Wes Mantooth, I agree it is absurd to take the 16 yard run out of Portis average. He had 4.4 ypc and 1 TD. The statistics are incomplete though ... his fumble was a game changer and, if he had held onto the pass in the right flat in the 3rd quarter, it could have been 2 TDs. Portis had a bad day.

What surprised me was the bit from the previous thread that JustMe posted ... about how Saunders didn't know why (or that) Portis wasn't going to be in the game for that last series.

["Communication breakdown, its always the same, communication breakdown, drives me insane." - Led Zepplin].

pasting is gay

Last year Baltimore owner basically told Billick (a guy who has won a Super Bowl for him) that his job is on the line. Billick ended up taking over play calling because if his job is on the line, he will get the team to play his way. Ravens went on a roll.

Danny need to basically tell G2.0 (let's not call him Gibbs until he proved that he can still coach) the same thing. Basically right now G2.0 is getting about 1 million per win with his huge contract. If he were anyone else, Danny would have fired him. Norv was a better head coach for Redskins than G2.0.

G2.0 - call your own plays. If you suck, you get fired. And we know you suck. You lack the motivation and work ethics of the real Joe Gibbs.

The real Joe Gibbs would get his team to beat up on teams they are supposed to beat up on. The real Joe Gibbs will get his teams to surprise and find ways to win against teams they are not supposed to win.

G2.0's teams look confused and lost most of the time. They always lose to better teams and find ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory against sucky teams.

Fire G2.0. I don't want to see Cowher next year either. Find a young Offensive guy who is hungry for Wins and want to establish himself.

We may no longer be Over the Hill gang for the players...but the coaches sure are Over The Hill..

FIRE G2.0

Thank you

Janso,

Great post. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Hey, people, CALM DOWN. I have some good news...the Skins are 2-1. Not 0-3 and 1-2.

They have a bye week, they can work on some things.

I agree with J-Lac's comments. But who knows who's calling the plays. Joe and Al have to be on the same page.

I am angry just like everyone. Recall my post on the chat on Friday, about being 2-0 in the division.

The one time Rogers wasn't looking at the QB, he lets Burress take it to the house.

I remembered the report on him coming out of Auburn was that he was physical...but more like lackadaisical. I missed Smoot on Sunday. They could've at least rotated him in with Rogers.

That said, the handling of the last 4 plays of the game was embarrassing.

Why not run a naked bootleg? J-Cam is fast.

As for him struggling to roll left and throw, I think he lost some confidence...in fact the whole team did.

Jason was making his 10th start, and he is a WIP (work in progress).

You hear some say that the handcuffs should be taken off of him, and others say that they should've run the ball more.

I say it should be both. It's time to let Jason start walking on his own, rather than continue to crawl as an NFL QB.

Having said that, I still believe that he's going to be a good one (or the The Truth as J-Lac has said).

My only plea is this: stop comparing him to Schroeder.

Because that is almost as embarrassing as the clock/play management at the end of the game.

Go Skins!

Both teams are inflated at this point - try to take a longer view than just week to week. What do you see in place that will change the direction of the team against mediocre opponents much less the stronger teams ? It's just not there for me.
Getting the Lions at RFK used to be a laugher. Now the Lions will come in and Martz will have no fear in slinging it all over the field.
Where are the tangible signs that this organization has learned and has made changes ? Gibbs is entrenched, Saunders is entrenched and certainly Williams is entrenched. Who at the end of the day hurts more in losses - the players who treat this as "business" and pick up game checks or the fans who have to keep deluding themselves that the times will change ?

Add sweenyboy to ITA list for also not seeing how in affective portis-betts were?

Lol, you can't ITA me retard. I ITA you.

You can't get rid of his biggest run then say "well without it he'd have a lower average." We have this thing called reality here. As Ali G says, "Is nice!!!"

There's a reason we don't see Portis as a receiver out of the backfield a whole lot, and yesterday shows why. We're all enamored of getting CP out in space, but he's not LT or Faulk in the day. I'm not going to kill him for that or for the fumble, of which JC was partly responsible.

In the end, CP needs the carries at the goalline. Backs like Portis don't score a lot of TDs by accident or by being lucky or opportunistic. And you feed a back like Portis because you never know when the long run of 16 might instead be a long run of 45 and a touch.

LaVar didn't look very happily married while at Seacrets recently....

Man, are the buzzards circling today or what?

This team just lost it's focus in the 2nd half. They got ahead, they got complacent and then they got beat.

This game should serve as a reminder that they can't just show up and win. They have to bring it every week.

If they can match the intensity they had in the Philly game and the 1wt half of this weeks game, they'll be competative week in and week out. If not--we're screwed.

Lol, you can't ITA me retard. I ITA you.

You can't get rid of his biggest run then say "well without it he'd have a lower average." We have this thing called reality here. As Ali G says, "Is nice!!!"

Posted by: Skinz | September 24, 2007 02:28 PM

Owned!

"Add sweenyboy to ITA list for also not seeing how in affective portis-betts were?"

Posted by: | September 24, 2007 02:26 PM

I don't even know where to begin on responding to this one.

Disgusted, get another hobby...seriously, try stamp collecting.

YOU HAVE TO GET 1ST DOWNS TO BE ABLE TO RUN LADIES

I REPEAT YOU HAVE TO GET 1ST DOWNS LADIES TO BE ABLE TO RUN

I REPEAT YOU HAVE TO GET 1ST DOWNS LADIES TO BE ABLE TO RUN

NOW ALL TOGETHER LADIES

WE HAVE TO GET 1ST DOWNS TO RUN IT

Can anyone tell me why CP was sucking on oxygen after only running a few plays in the 3rd quarter? Seemed like something was up with him... hmmm.

in affective? Sweet mericful crap.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!

Yo quit dissing on me so much guys...you know why I am starting for the team.

Its your boy Gibbs that traded away Mr Shutdown Corner Bailey and a bunch of draft picks for a system running back

It's your boy Gibbs that let Walt Harris walk when he could have kept him for cheap. Ya Wally went to the pro-bowl last year you know.

Printer Recommendation: Canons, baby, all the way. I replaced a Lexmark last year that was actually a pretty good printer, but it was five years old. The replacement is the Canon MP600 inkjet, which runs around $150.00. Separate colors in the ink supply, so you can replace them as needed. With the photo paper, you can't tell the difference from photo lab prints. As for HP, the Lexmark was purchased AFTER I spent two days trying to get an HP installed -- unsuccessfully. Check the Canon reviews on cnet, and buy Canon.

Wait I'm confused. So we can't run it until we get a first down? Or we have to run it in order get a first down?

Or do you mean that in order to run ladies you need first downs?

Repeating ambiguous statements multiple times, even in all caps, only further confuses us. It doesn't reinforce your point.

CP had 14 rushes 60 yds 1td 4.4 avg.
looks good right? He also had 1 lg run of 16 which then would drop that avg to 3.3 which is why Gibbs had no faith and Jason you shouldnt spin facts to please people? 3 straight 3& outs & a fumble is why gibbs COULDNT stick to RUN!

Posted by: ITA all SPINERS | September 24, 2007 02:14 PM

Figures don't lie but liars do figures. Is this supposed to be analysis? If you look at any starting running backs numbers you will, more often than not, find that they have many short runs interspersed with a few long runs. Most of the time it's those 3.3 yd carries that wear a D down and lead to the longer runs. The problem yesterday was that the team did not mix up the play calling which presumably would have sustained drives and permitted more runs.

couldn't disagree more. we tried to establish a run game and got denied. we needed to take more shots down field when we had the learn to stretch the field- get those safeties out of the box. We failed. we lost our best lineman (thomas) and his mate to the right...we simply aren't as good running as we think we are- thus we need to help the RBs out. and little dump passes aren't what i'm referencing...

da truef
even I can understand he wasnt trying to take the LGst run away for stats but to show how many of his runs went for very LITTLE!And thats why it wasnt in 2nd Half not that they didnt try!

I personally believe that Ladell Betts is unable to score touchdowns because, uh, some people out there in our nation don't have touchdowns, and, uh, I believe that our education, like such as in South Africa and the Iraq -- everywhere like such as -- and I believe that they should, our education over here in the U.S. should help Ladell Betts, or should help Mike Sellers, and should help the Jason Campbell and the receiver, so we will be able to build up our touchdowns for us.

2 TCCLs for Jasno's printer retirement.

Maximum possible score would have been 4 TCCLs (on degree of difficulty), but would have required (1) not keeping it inside a plastic bag and (2) climbing onto and throwing it from the roof. Could have been 4.5 by waiting for the Customer Support supervisor to come on the line, putting the supervisor on speaker phone, and THEN destroying the printer.

ADD LH TO LIST OF PEOPLE WHO ARE DUMB AS***

I saw The Interview.

Snyder also said that 26 year old reporters don't know what they are talking about.

(another truth that is hard to swallow?)

Dumb, (It truly suits you, keep it)

When trying to "back up" "another" persons post try not to use the same basic gramatical errors, lack of caps and shorthand they use.

It tends to eat away at your credibility and tricks no one.

ITA LH for even signing on this blog!

He made IQ level drop even farther? Thought that was impossible

I thought it was Gibbs that mentioned the 26 year old reporter in his post game not the owner.

Jasno hasn't been 26 in some time.

Snyder is an idiot. Why would anyone listen to or believe him.

etrod... well said. COMPLACENCY.

They better wake up though, b/c that will get them nowhere. Thay haven't son't JACK SJK yet. Coaches better make em feel the pain in practice these next two weeks and have them ready to beat the crap out of the Lions! We need a statement win... enough with every damn game being a nail biter.

Props to the Special Teamers... They would have definitely got the game ball if we didn't blow it...

ITA da truef for continuing his IGNORANCE of ITA rules!

look at the writing style people. same troll that's always up here. makes statements followed by question marks. stop engaging with him. he wants you to reply. that's his sorry pathetic excuse for existing. let him have his fun. the short bus will be loading soon, and he will gone like a fart in the wind.

Take away Randy Moss's two TDs yesterday and he only had 3 catches. Terrible.

"be" gone, anon meant

Does anyone have a link to the interview?

And, I had no idea Jasno was 26?!?!

pasting is gay

Posted by: | September 24, 2007 02:24 PM

I agree.

da da dumb truef
the true reality is knowing how bad your team truly SUCKS and being able to rub it in that open wound with alot of SALT!! ahahhahahahehehehahahahaahahahahheheheehehehhazhahahaheheheh Nothing you IDIOTS say will make your SORRY POOR EXCUSE of a football team any better

" ... we tried to establish a run game and got denied. ..."

Posted by: realist | September 24, 2007 02:35 PM

I dunno if I agree about how hard they tried to establish the running game before deciding that it was "denied." Skins killed on time of possession in the first half BECAUSE of the running game, which wore down the D. Giants used the same strategy in the second half. Not sure why the Skins abandoned it ... unless Portis really did re-injure his knee.

Am I the only one who saw him hop-skip across the field before the end of the half, which became a hop-limp by the time he reached the sideline? It was right before the first Skins' timeout (when Betts subbed in mid-series on 3rd and 1, lost 4 yards on a RUSHING play with 46 seconds left on the 25, and then the FG team came on with 4 seconds left).

Take away all of the Giants points yesterday and the skins win.

Remember, you can't win the game unless you score more points than you're oponent.

JLC shows how little he knows about football by talking about run/pass ratios. Those ratios only exist because MOST of the time teams who are winning can run in the 4th quarter. AGAIN, that stupid run/pass ratio is a RESULT of good running teams running it a bunch in the 4th quarter. IF YOU AVERAGE 2 YARDS A RUN, YOU CANNOT RUN IT 40 TIMES. People who know football would laugh at this recent post.

A team like the Skins, who are faced with 3rd and longs because their running game sucks HAVE TO PASS ON THIRD DOWN TO KEEP THE BALL AND RUN OUT THE CLOCK. And if they are keying the run, like the Giants were, YOU HAVE TO PASS ON 1ST AND 2ND DOWN SOMETIMES. Otherwise you will have 2nd and 15 because you got stopped for a loss cause they knew you were gonna run.

JLC knows so little about football, and the fans that congratulate him for his "great analysis" know even less.

JAWS: a guy who knows football.
JLC: knows how to get the gossip from Ashburn, but knows nothing of X's and O's.

Here's to hurricane force winds sweeping through RI.

Take away 9/11/01 and we've really held Al Qaeda in check.

pasting is gay

Posted by: | September 24, 2007 02:24 PM

I agree.

Posted by: Elmer | September 24, 2007 02:45 PM

Totally.

I think it's Boofer. If it is, i'm happy he's back.

I would place even more blame on the failed offense of the 2nd half on Portis as much as I love him. One drive stalled when he had strahan one on one out in the flat and couldn't catch a perfectly good pass and the second drive failed when he fumbled the ball in our territory.

Sure the play calling at the goal line there was suspect. I personally was expecting to see 3 wrs and then a hand off to sellers. It makes the most sense. But lets look at why we got there in the first place. Two stalled drives courtesy of Portis didn't help matters.

We are seeing the lack of practice with Campbell and Moss has he keeps overthrowing him while wide open deep.

Also the coaches have to give campbell some more room. A veteran QB would have walked up to that first and goal and faked a spike and tried to sneak in a quick pass to the end zone... doesn't work then its just like spiking the ball and there is no harm no foul.

The margin of victory is so small in this league. If we could have made one play on 3rd down on defense all second half we would have won. The D got complacent against a hungry veteran giants team with its back to the wall and it showed. Its something we were afraid about all week and justifiably so.

As another commentor posted the magical 40 run number really is more a result of being ahead but It would have been nice to have seen 3 straight portis runs in the 2nd half. Oh wait we were and then he FUMBLED.

Guys I was really down about losing to the point that I was seriously considering taking a break from all Redskins articles blogs etc... for a couple days then I realized that in spite of all the mistakes we were quite close.

In many ways we are a very young team. We got rid of a bunch of veterans and are letting the youngsters have a chance. I expect us to gel more and get more of that killer instinct of the season goes on especially after the pain in their gut from losing this past game. We all knew this wasn't our year. It is our year to come together as a team play solid football and make the playoffs and make a serious run to the superbowl next year with JC in his 3rd year of starting.

Ok I've mind dumped long enough.

Jason,
Excellent analysis.

One nit to pick: Caldwell and Lloyd are both 6-0, Caldwell has no height advantage. This has no bearing on your argument overall. I understand why BL gets the treatment he does on RI. How the team treats him is (almost the same)...go figure?

HAVE TO PASS ON THIRD DOWN TO KEEP THE BALL AND RUN OUT THE CLOCK

The difference is that Lloyd plays like he's 5'2.

Take away the flooding and New Orleans handled Katrina well.

When do libraries close? I'm guessing that's when CAPS LOCK/anon will lose his computer privileges for the day.

I think the Skins should start video taping the defenses signals. All that would happen is a large fine, which the skins have one of the richest owners, and lose draft picks, which they trade any way. What do you think.

F Boofer. If the Cowgirls are so great, why isn't he hanging out on their blogs?

Remember the time we debated in circles about 'effective running' and how easy it is to say 'run the ball'? oh, we're still doing it? GRRRREEEEAAAATTTTT.

When were the extra runs supposed to occur? The 3rd and 8s?

Bottom line: at a certain point, no matter what it chooses to do, an offense has to be effective. We couldn't throw or run in that 2nd half until the final drive. You can take the number of runs and throw them out the window (though they'd be dropped). The numbers that matter are the 3 and outs; the number of completely ineffective plays on offense. What also matters is our 'improved D' is better than last year; in the same way that 1 is more than 0. We've still got the same problems. Absolutely embarrassing that we validated the worst general managing decision in NFL history for the 3rd straight year by allowing eli manning to beat us.

Everything else JLC says is on point. There was a giants fan at Hill Country on Sunday. He celebrated and made noise during the worst times. I had nothing to say to him. No response. (*^&% the Redskins for putting me in that position.

DisgustedFan has had it, and he's never coming back! I know this because he posts it every five minutes.

biggest conserns:

Has Campbell been even close to a 300 yd game yet? I like the kid but we need to see some production, I could throw for 190 yards against the giants D. I think he averages 200 a game, which is great compaired to Brunell. Somethings not right there.

I get the feeling that we are playing AFC ball in the NFC East, and we need to stop that now.