Long overdue!! Thanks JLa.

Great post, JLC. I couldn't agree more. The Pats are a great team. No point in crying about that whipping we just took.

Any decent corners on the waiver wire? torrance is kenny wright 2.0

3rd

what really stinks is that we won't get anything for portis next year and will have to just cut him instead of trading him.

At this point, given a choice, i'd much rather have Saunders than gibbs, but that just me.

I hope this game serves as a wake-up call for the entire organization. Enough of this "the guys fought their guts out" mentality. The best thing for this team would be beating the living crap out of the Jets. In fact, if they don't we might as well pack it up.

Don't know what to say....except I hate Patriots and I hope somebody takes Mr. Brady out of the game....

They are probably too good but this is a game of people not machines and every one has a heart and if you are telling me you have no sympathy for the players then you deserve all the bad things that come your way

Was anyone else screaming at the TV for double-G to blitz Brady at least one in the 4th qtr?

Fine, they weren't running it up - but if you leave your starting QB in there into the 4th quarter up 45-0, then you are asking for the Reaper to pay him a visit.

I really wanted Taylor to break his collarbone...nothing career threatening, but enough to send a message and f-up their record season.

who knew that watching the undedited view of the finish line at the Marine Corps Marathon could be more entertaining than the skins... after the first two hours where it was just the staff milling about aimlessly.
But then it got exciting for a minute!

Only counts as one loss. Move on to the Jets.

Stop it with the nonsense about playing Betts over Portis. Portis is no the problem. The line isn't creating anywhere to go. I notice Jasno cited Portis's pedestrian YPC of 3.4. I also noticed he omitted the same statistic for Betts. It's 2.9. Yeah, Betts is exactly what we need.

We need this offensive line to play together, THE SAME 5 GUYS, for 2 consecutive weeks so that the run blocking can progress and the pass protection gets shored up. Then we need someone to calm down JC because he was a big problem this week with fumbles and VERY poor accuracy. Can't put the lack of playmaking on the receivers in this one, JC was just missing them. Badly.

Keep thinking the Jets are the tonic for what ails the Skins. They aren't as bad as the Dolphins and the Skins barely beat the Woephins at HOME...and the Jets game is on the road. If the Skins are hung over from this beat down, the Jets could be saying that what they need are the Skins on the road to right their woes.

I'm with you on this, Jasno, 100%. Watch and learn, Skins faithful. It's not enought to keep SAYING you're fighting your guts out every week. Get out there and DO IT, for 60 MINUTES A GAME (plus OT, if necessary!!!). Nothing less.

The Redskins could be exactly what the Jets need to get back on track. Step back and take a look. This team is simply not that good right now with all of the injuries especially minus one of their best corners now.

You okay today Cload? You seem awful random - even for you!! :-)

Still recovering from the concussion of beating your head on the wall yesterday while shouting "attack you idiot!"?

what really stinks is that we won't get anything for portis next year and will have to just cut him instead of trading him.

Posted by: T | October 29, 2007 02:05 PM

We were never, ever going to be able to trade him with his contract numbers.

Whatever JLC,
Belichick is a total no class ahole. He acts like it in his press conferences and he shows it in his actions.
Why don't you go back and look at his record before Brady got there. With Cleveland he was well under .500. He went 5-11 his first year with the Pats then went 11-5 only when Brady started playing. It's all BRADY and has nothing to do with his "genius." I'm sick and tired of hearing how great a coach he is. If he was why was he so miserable in Cleveland? Brady is a great qb and is the only reason Belichick is looked upon the way he is.
This isn't the BCS JLC, you don't need to win by 60 points every week so your BCS standings improve. There is an unspoken rule in the league that you don't run up the score when the game is already well out of hand. Belichick is a no class ahole and if he died today I'd have no problem with it.

Well said, Jasno. BB can play like that if he wants -- but every snap Brady takes with a 35-point second-half lead is one more chance for something awful to happen and ruin the season. Looks to me as if he is putting his ego and need to be "Alpha Dog" ahead of what is right for the team.

I'm almost on board with your Patriots suck up, but at the same time, they run it up to make sure Brady gets his 3rd TD pass, then send their starters to hide behind the bench.

That speaks louder then any of Belichick's word, they're begging for a dive into Brady's knee by somebody, and if it happens, don't want to hear a word out of em.

Keep thinking the Jets are the tonic for what ails the Skins. They aren't as bad as the Dolphins and the Skins barely beat the Woephins at HOME...and the Jets game is on the road.

Posted by: DisgustedFan | October 29, 2007 02:12 PM

Disgusting fan--If the 'Skins could play anyone this week, who would your choice be? This is a 1-7 team with a new QB. Does it get easier than that?

"I don't blame him. The idea that he has to show some respect to Coach Joe, or any coach, befuddles me. "

Umm it's simply one word: "Class". Which after cheating and running up the score on beaten opponents means that Belichick is missing some. Gibbs 1.0 wouldn't do that and since you said that is who he is chasing he has a ways to go.

That type of behavior always has a way of coming back to haunt you.

BB is out to win pure and simple. I hear ya. I guess if some D coord decides the best way to slow down the Pats is to hurt Brady that's all fair also.....

Great, great post Jason. Thank you!

good point TE, guess its just the ol cut and pay the dead cap money for the next couple years.

I could only stomach a quarter or so, and I couldn't stand the way they just stood back and took their beating. That's a season killer.

Still taking humble pie servings here... I sure stuck up for a dying system alot... lem'me have it.

I am disappointed that:

1) We never rushed more than 4 except in a few occasions. If they're already completing the dinks & dunks, why not make 'em pay.

2) We never ran the ball three straight times early on. If that's your hallmark, why not let it work

3) This team still has no coach. Coaching by committee doesn't count

While I agree with & admire Gibbs' philosophy, I don't think you need another example of how this league doesn't want him around anymore.

JlaC, I have to disagree w/ you on a few things. Belichick is running up the score for one reason only - payback.

I think Ladanian said it well in describing Belichick's philosophy - if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying.

And if you're admiring that, why not admire insider trading or robber barons - they sure advance society, who cares if a few hundred thousand indians get wiped out in the process... ahhhh symbolism.

It's called hyperbole - but I think I made my point.

Enjoy the icarus wings, Tommy - they'll burn off eventually.

- More pie please.

T--They'll try to talk him down to a reasonable number. Maybe he'll go for it, because there's no one else who will give him a big payday at this point in his career.

With all due respect Jasno, I disagree.

There are some unwritten rules in football, and one of them is generally that you don't run up the score. With Brady in the game so late, with the called pass plays on 4th down, that was going a bit too far.

I could justify just about every TD the Pats scored until this game. This game was different: the Redskins hadn't scored once when the Pats had a 38-0 lead...and they were still calling passes. You run the ball in those situations, and if the other team doesn't stop you, oh well.

None of the greatest coaches in NFL history coached this way, as far as I can tell. That's all I need to know to inform me that it's overkill. Karma's a biatch, and Belichick will learn that sooner or later...perhaps even in the way you suggested.

Gibbs 2.0 wouldn't do it either, we put 52 on the 49ers 2 years ago and didnt throw a pass after 3:30 left in the 3rd quarter.

Doin' great Redcoat, was "watching" the game while making dinner, so there was no head-pounding going on.
Figured the tone of the blog was going to be 'fire everyone, stop being fans, we're never gonna win again' and just having fun with it.

Close your eyes. Picture a veteran Redskin in the parking lot with Jason La Canfora. What's he wearing? Nothing special. Baseball cap on backward, baggy pants. He says something ordinary like, "He don't care man. That cat is going to (bleep) you up". Okay, now slowly open your eyes again. Who you picturing? A black man? Wrong. That was a white woman. Surprised? Well shame on you.

Jason
whats in question is SPORTSMANSHIP and all the PATRIOT fans have short term memory loss in that they really SUCKED and i dought teams rubed theyre faces in it! Any media person such as yourself who says its OK to rub it in is seting a very NEGATIVE example for the youth in sports? The NFL has made numerous rules for TAUNTING but allows one team to RUB it in? Saying the losing team should stop them is a PATHETIC excuse because if they coldnt stop the first4 TDs how can they stop the next 3 with the DEFENSE sucking wind from being on field way to long!!!

Whatever:

I agree that Belichick is mostly a product of Tom Brady. His record demonstrates that. He is a very good defensive mind, among the best in the league, but he wins because he has one of the greated QBs who ever played and he has a front office that is excellent at evaluating talent.

That said, I have no problem with what the Pats did Sunday. If we don't like it, we need to stop them. I still think our D is capable of that, and it would have been a different game if it was at FedEx where they feed off the crowd, but bottom line is we didn't come to play and we deserved what we got. The fans there didn't pay to watch 40 minutes of the Pats and 20 minutes of a bunch of special teamers.

Lets just move on and beat the Jets. That would put us on pace for 10-6, which means playoffs and maybe even a home game. Hey, maybe we'll get another shot at the Pats in February. If not, the Reaper can F Brady up in the Pro Bowl.

Its ridiculous to suggest that Betts is the better back than Portis. Betts is a decent backup and that's it. He has no vision, or cutback ability, all he does is lower his head and hit the hole, which don't work so good when your line can't make any holes. The stubbornness of this team isn't in playing Portis, its in insisting on trying to be a running team when your line lost its entire right side. Nobody wants to hear it but we should be doing exactly what Detroit and Green Bay are doing and put JC back in the shotgun so he can see what's coming (actually makes good decisions and scrambles well when he has a second to see the blitz) and pass 45 times a game. Randle El, Betts, Moss, and Portis all can catch hitches, swings, and screens to be your running game, but the simple truth is we aren't going to line up and manhandle anybody without Thomas and Jansen.

Hell, I'd love to play for the guy.

Maybe if you had played the game then you would undstand why you don't do what the Pats did. And we will see how much you think about it when they play the Ravens.

And if I am not mistaken you was all about the running game will be fine during pre season. Now you jump ship. I must say brother I have lost some respect for you.

This weekend seems to be just what the doc ordered. The sad part is the skins continue to do what they do every week with the offence and that's nothing!

I'm surprised that there have been no rumblings from within the organization specially defensive players asking what is going on. Al Saunders is all but done for me and if this team does not SERIOUSLY turn around then he should never be let back to the team.

LOL @ Michael Scott

It was obviously London, played for the Bills in their division, way to cover up your anonymous sources JLC!

THE only reason people here are accusing Belichick of running up the score is because, one, comming into the game this was suppose to be the best defense they faced all year. Two, it was the Redskins.

If Belichick were coaching the skins and he "ran up the score" there wouldn't be a problem with it. "Running up the score" is something losers say when their pride is hurt.

We aren't losers are we?

ARE and Moss were made for the quick slant and the hitch/bubble screen (that we used to love so much) and Thrash and Cooley are great down field blockers, I'd much rather have those guys on the edge with some db's to get by than portis facing 8 in the box inside.

From the last thread...

BTW, there is no such thing as running up the score. Like Belichick, said, "What do you want us to do? Kick a field goal?" Even London Fletcher admitted, "Its their ball", meaning if they wanted to hang 70 on the Skins, it would've been up to Washington to stop it.

Thank God for game clocks.

I think talking about what the Redskins did against the Dolphins in Week 1 is probably the most overused negative comment on these boards. Everyone in the NFL knows that you have to throw away Week 1. Did anyone see the Jags or Giants play in Week 1? How about the Texans...the list goes on and on.

Week 1 is unpredictable every year. Usually, it ends up being pretty meaningless in the long run. I'm not saying the 'Skins would blow the Fins out now, but neither teams' performance was indicative of their actual quality. Week 1 is a crapshoot.

Good to hear that Cload. It still amazes me how many cliff-jumpers turn up on here as soon as everything in the garden is no longer rosy.

Things have quietened down in Fins-land. Ginn caught a great TD yesterday, Jesse Chatman played out of his skin, and our o-line kept the Gints down to 1 sack even though our QB Cleo was a "Lemon" in every sense of that word.

I have nothing but hope for the future!! Even our defense is gradually showing signs of life... 1-15 here we come!!!

11 rushes for 27 yds thats poopis portis for you!

Week 2, 1999.

Skins lead the Giants 43-14 in the 4th quarter. That's a 29 point lead, y'all. Four TDs, and at least one two-point conversion. Game well in hand.

In that 4th quarter, Rob Johnson throws a 27-yard touchdown pass to Stephen Alexander, making it 50-14.

Guess they should have run the ball, huh? Guess it was WRONG for the Skins to throw the ball to score, eh? Bad sportsmanship, eh? I mean, that score wasn't necessary.

Guess it's all in whose ox is being gored. Or, in Gibbs' case, whose sacred cow.

I would like to know two things:

1. In the boxes of information that was delivered to the NFL commissioner's office what intelligence did Belichick gather on Gregg Williams' defensive schemes?

2. How many Washington Post sports writers, columnists, bloggers, and reporters have followed up with questions to the NFL commissioner's office on this matter?

TMU
2 wrongs dont make a right!

That TD pass from Lemon to Ginn was beastly!

No issue with waht the Pats did. You have to have an attitude of a champ to be a champ. And champions see it when you hang your head and don't ever give them a reason to lift it. The Skins did look fearful against the Pats once they got rolling.

JSD
belacheat had video on williams in his cellar from his days in buffalo!

Hey I played football. We got our asses kicked numerous times. My senior year in high school we lost our homecoming game 56-6 to Robinson (VA)

We didn't cry about the Rams running up the score. We sucked. We knew it. We couldn't do anything about it. We didn't care anyway, our school had a movie come out later that year that was based on our 71' football team. I went on to college, not into a state of depression.

"If Belichick were coaching the skins and he "ran up the score" there wouldn't be a problem with it. "Running up the score" is something losers say when their pride is hurt."

Honestly it doesn't tweak me in the slightest. I just know that it is a "CLASS" thing. And to those that are saying "if you don't like it, stop it" maybe they have never played a sport in their lives?

When you play a sport and your butt is getting handed to you there is a point where you do give up and/or stop playing 100%. That's just how it is. Go watch the first half of the game, then watch the second half. The skins D was trying hard in the first and part of the second until it got out of hand.

4th and 2 up by 38 - you kick the feild goal if you have any class.

ShinsRealist,
YES!

I hope everyone from the Execs kissing Danny's ring down to the Janitors took notes Sunday. The Pats are the model of perfection and execution, The Gibbs era is the highly outdated model. Get a clue, if not for the Dolphins this franchise would be the very poster boys of futility.

Disappointments.
The poise. Campbell did lose it along the way.
Not throwing to the RBs early on. The Skins need to spread the offense and the backs are good in the open field.
The run defense. The Pats ground game was incredibly effective

The reality is clear. The Pats are excellent in so many ways. Especially their lines. We were whipped on both lines. Hope the Skins learn what it takes. Some real anger is completely warranted. Because the Pats were leading 38-0 and still angry.

Jack,
I agree with you (there, I said it).

With the state of our offense, there are very few teams that we can run against productively (Portis or Betts).

Where was McCardell? I was wondering that myself.

Did we blitz them at all on Sunday? I didn't see it, if we did. I guess getting Brady dirty wasn't part of the game plan, even after halftime (?).

I disagree with those who are saying that if you don't like getting the score run up, 'just make him stop'...um...if it were that easy, wouldn't the Redskins have stopped them in the first place. You win with class, and you lose with class.

Keep smearing your opponents faces in it....just don't be surprised when someone takes out Brady's knee....you REAP what you SOW. You want to run the score up, great. You want to keep your starters in late into blow-outs, even better. Just don't be surprised when they're carting your savior (Brady) off, with his knee looking like Jansen.

SkinsRealist the key words are "high school".

SR,

What's the point? You got beat and didn't care? What does that have to do with whether it's right or not?

if not for the Dolphins this franchise would be the very poster boys of futility.

Posted by: Josh | October 29, 2007 02:33 PM

Come on Josh. Aren't you forgetting a few? Bengals? Rams? Niners? Falcons? Lions? Vikings?

'Skins are about middle of the pack. Not good, but certainly not "poster boys of futility."

TMU,

The fact that the Redskins may have run up the score in some game in the past does not excuse Belichick doing it yesterday (although I believe there is a difference between throwing the ball up 29 in the 4th and going for it on 4th down up 45 in the 4th). If the Redskins did it in the past, they shouldn't have done it. They broke the unwritten rule just like the Pats did yesterday. And yes, Bill, you should have kicked a field goal...

Greg(Boston) and jm220 totally agree!

I have no problem with self-centered classless people running up the score. then again, i also have no problem with late hits, helmet to helmet hits, and 11 man blitzes if someone is running up the score.

If NE had packed it in and allowed the score to be close, the Redskins organization would have a false assessment of where the coaches and players stand.

I, for one, want to THANK the Pats for playing a FULL 60 MINUTES and showing everyone across the organization what a killer instinct and excellent execution looks like.

No more Brandon Lloyd mentality, talking about how good you can be. No more praise for underachievers "fighting their guts out". Call a spade a spade (one reason I always admired this guy):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwq7BYOnDrM

Anybody got the link to Cindy's chat?

That TD pass from Lemon to Ginn was beastly!

Posted by: cload and daggar | October 29, 2007 02:28 PM

It wasn't a great pass, but Ginn made a great grab as it sailed by him. Just before that though Lemon underthrew Ginn by about 20 yards when he had left his corner for dead. Cleo's really game but he's not going to make it as a starter, so we move on.

Wins against the Fins are overrated. We spanked the Jests in just about every phase of the game but somehow managed to lose 31-28 because of a special teams return for a TD. That and Pennington RUNNING for a TD. :-)

The Jets will go pretty quietly next week; as long as you keep them down for the first half their fans will do the rest.

JoeyV,

I'm one who is taking "Well, do something about it" stance. See my 12:30 post. Matter of fact I'm a T.C. Williams alum, check our football records from 1999-2002. I am not comparing HS to the NFL but the opposing team using our pride to wipe the field was something very common in Alexandria, VA around that time. Did we hurt, yes. Did we want to break Mike Imoh's ankles after that game, yes. See, in the end it did not matter. I went on to a successful-can't-complain-life, while ol' Mike Imoh got busted for drinking with underage females with none other than Marcus Vick.

See the cruel irony in all of that?

The worst part is that if/when Brady does get taken out, the entire media world and everyone who says "do something about it" is going to throw a pity party and run the guy who does it out of the league.

The scariest part about the Patriots is they can be better than we saw. Anyone else notice what a stud Laurence Maroney was yesterday? This team can hammer you into submission and they can throw it over your head and run up the score.

The only way to beat them is to hit Brady early and often...just like the Pats and Steelers did to Peyton for all of those years. Is there any defense in the NFL capable of doing that this year?

Class?? People on here whining about the Pats classiness? These guys are pros. Being tough and never letting up is unrelated to class. Playing hard for all 60 minutes is unrelated to class. I didn't see any cheap shots to try to injure anyone. No one spit on anyone. Nope, the way the Pats played was tough. I can't find a single thing to criticize about the Pats. Even their class.

I call bad sportsmanship whenever I see it, regardless of who is playing. I even had an issue with Belichick's extra TD (23 seconds left) when the Pats played the Cowboys -- and I love seeing the Cowboys lose.

It doesn't matter to me who is involved in the game. In my opinion, there's a right way and a wrong way to win. I've played organized sports, and my coaches simply didn't do things that way. Most coaches don't, because kicking someone when they are down is generally regarded as a low-class thing to do. By all means, run the ball and go for it that way. But passing on 4th down? Leaving your starters in when the game has clearly been decided? No. That's just wrong.

if not for the Dolphins this franchise would be the very poster boys of futility.

Posted by: Josh | October 29, 2007 02:33 PM

Hey Josh, leave us out of this, our offense is higher-rated than you guys'!! ;-)

Stop it with the nonsense about playing Betts over Portis. Portis is no the problem.

As much as I hate to say it, the few times he has broken into open field he's been unable to turn on the gas. It just hasn't been there. Then again, I don't recall Betts ever making a move in the open field, he's usually felled by the first guy that bumps into him. He just seems to hit what little holes there are a lot faster than Portis.

The line isn't creating anywhere to go.

That's true as well, and maybe Gibbs should just think about coming up with something else. Heck, throw the ball 50 times a game, short 3-5 step drops and get rid of the damn ball before the rush gets there. Run a no-huddle, spread offense. Something, anything more innovative than wide receiver screens and running the ball into the back of your center. After awhile it just gets mindless. If something doesn't work, change it. at this point the offense can't get any worse. Well, maybe I shouldn't say that, we still have to play the Jets, don't wanna jinx us.

Now that we've addressed football. (From the previous post):

I'm saying it's not Meg, but what do I know? She's usually not inclined to go back and forth with the idiots...

What the hell? Is everyone one my posts supposed to be filled with wit and wisdom? I think I spent about half my time last year going back and forth with idiots, and another substantial amount time posting about stuff that had nothing to do with football. What's life without a little humor? It's kinda like losing 52-7, oh wait, nevermind.

As I'm sure JLC will confirm, Byner and Saunders have been lobbying for Betts to start the last couple weeks.

I was at the game... so painful. So painful. (and f-in cold!!)

Belicheat forgets that football like life runs in cycles. Right now they are at the top, if not the best then certainly 1a. However, every dynasty we have ever seen runs out. Pats will be no different. The people who jump on their bandwagon now will be on somebody elses bandwagon down the road. Want to impress me Belicheat? Do it as long as Tom Landry did. Your just a flash in the pan who is riding the coat tails of Tom Brady. Let's see what your fortunes look like without Brady. Gibbs did it with 3 mediocre QB's that's how he got in the hall. Now like most people in sports who try to comeback, he's just a shadow of his former self. Hopefully he will use this beating to do a self exam and step away after this year.

Wow, being at the game had to be worse than watching it on TV. At least I could flip over to figure skating

The Redskins will never win anything until Danny is perfected.

Cindy's chat:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2007/10/24/DI2007102402053.html

Great posts everybody. I'll be supplying exacto knives after the meeting....

We did blitz a couple times... know what happened? We sacked Brady & he coughed up the ball. Hmmm...

Cindy's chat sucks. Where's Jasno when you need him?

The level of football really dosen't matter. The point is, if you're pride is diminished, then maybe, just maybe, you ought to do something about it. I don't want to hear, "Well, their sprit wasn't in it". Thats bulls%&*. If you think these NFL players have the same passion for winning and competing every snap as fans do you're crazy. These players make millions, so for most, it would take an awful lot to hurt their pride. I have respect for the Redskins for not complaining about "running up the score", I wish some of you would take those UV stunners off for one second.

Fair point Meg (if that's really you) - I meant that I didn't see you going back and forth with posters that seemed to be just beating one silly issue into the ground - and your responses were,as always, filled with wit and wisdom.

Sorry

SkinsRealist,

It had nothing to do with how any of the skins or skins fans felt, it just simply had to do with sportsmanship.

Great posts everybody. I'll be supplying exacto knives after the meeting....

Posted by: Dik | October 29, 2007 02:52 PM

and remember, cut along the artery, not across!

Belichick is a classless as*clown. But his team is executing at a zen-like level.

Jasno, it was uncalled for. No one can reach Belichick, because his pasty face is on the sideline - but someone will whack his golden boy, or mangle Moss. Enough on that.

The 'Skins are operating in a terminally subordinate and predictable manner.

Whoever is calling the offense is offensive. Old people screw with more enthusuasm and urgency than our offense brings to a ball game. How many dink passes? Bring back the old man if that is what you want to do! How many times do we watch Portis go horizonal for 10 yards, vertical for 1?

Sam Wycshe is drawing up better plays for SC high team!

SkinsRealist...

I played lacrosse in Fairfax County and Robinson was all about running up the score in that sport too. I never minded... they were that good. Were they pr!cks about it? Yes. Did I hold a grudge against my teammates in college that went to Robinson? Yes. Do I still talk about it today? Wait... Old grudges die hard.

I don't care about the class stuff... Gibbs didn't shake BB's hand and that was his way of snubbing him. Some would say that was classless. BB was the better coach with the better team that day. Did the score really surprise anyone? What are we all whining about? I wish the game was a little closer, but give me a break. Enough already. Move on.

Carlos come back.

This is a bad if true. It will affect next year too and we will not have springs. He has had a hard time staying healthy but this boo boo could make a good turn around story into a bust draft pick.

This reminds me of the 85 bears game out classed with key injuries turning a loss to a blowout.

The offense is finding ways to mess up every week. This week is was Jason and bad blocking by our FB and company.

"Belichick is a total no class ahole. He acts like it in his press conferences and he shows it in his actions."

....and if he was available, I'd want MY TEAM to hire him in a minute.

I guess Sean Taylor showed worlds of class when he spit in Michael Pittman's face 2 yrs. ago, huh? Quit it with the F'n double standards. Honestly, most of you guys posts are cool with me. I just wish some of you could stop being overly biased. Liking and standing by your team is one thing. Acting deranged and posting comments full of lunacy is another.

They can keep brady out there as long as they want. It does distort records but that is the point.

It is the hight of stupidity and if Brady gets hurt as JLa pointed out there will be hell to pay. Don't you think the classless steelers will try and take him out?

I sure hope the Colts smack the Pats. Tony Dungy is a class act.

The Deadskins are who we thought they were. Playoffs, they will be lucky yo wiin another game. The ofense is just that. Offensive!!!!Joe must go!!!!

Jack,
I agree with you (there, I said it).

Stumped.....

Just wanted that on the record again.....

I said this before the year and I'm even more convinced now, we should be throwing the ball 50 times a game. We have the secondary (even if Rogers is down cause frankly, I'm not sure he's that much of a loss) to play with anybody and we are forcing turnovers.....Let's just go out and try and score points and win some games instead of this SMK (sorry my kids) about "establishing the run" and "controlling the clock" which after watching it for four years now translates to either extremely close/ugly/last second wins or one mistake and heartbreaking loses. I'm just gonna say this, while Sunday's butt kicking sucked, I'm not even as upset about it as I am the Green Bay and Giants games where I felt like we lost because we shut it down in the second half and didn't even try from a play calling standpoint.....a great (greatest) team whipped us Sunday, and stop crying about class, cause you know for a fact if we could do that to anybody we would, only losers cry for mercy, winners take it with their head up and work harder so it doesn't happen again.

Dorf Coach Joe did shake his had. He talked about it after the game. (check out Redskins.com)

SkinsRealist - players and coaches are different. ok I am tired now... seacrest out.

We through the ball down the field!!!

The results we not good.

Watch the freaking game.

Whats interesting is that no one seems to care what happened to Carlos Rodgers...(out for the year) Speaks volumes about where he fits in this pecking order

And for the record, I too find Bellicheat a classless bastard....Carma cant come soon enough

I guess respect for your opponent is just out the window with these guys and that's ok? Sorry but I'd rather not win that way if I had the choice. Belichick is a classless piece of crap who's ticked off at the world for getting caught cheating.

We'll soon find out how much Rogers means to this team and I don't think we will like what we see.

Our once proud champions, now a lesson in mopishness.

Bad post, Jason. I had really hoped for more from you on a very bad Monday. It was bad enough when the Pats rubbed it in. Now you, too.

Good luck explaining sportsmanship to your kids. I don't know how you do that and yet encourage what you saw yesterday.

At some point a team with nothing to lose will send the house on every down until they take out Brady and/or some linemen. It's dirty, but that's football. I don't like that I wish it had been our team dishing out the shots.

Nobody defended Sean Taylor when he spit in people's faces. I don't know why people defend Belicheck when he goes for it on 4th down up 38-0.

"What do you want me to do, kick a field goal?"

Yes you freaking a-hole. That's exactly what you do when you're up 38-0 and you have a 4th and 1. You still score but you don't rub it in another team's face.

Sorry I wouldn't want Belichick as my coach. If you can't win with class and show respect for the game don't come around me. Not to shake the JETS coach hand because he took a step up to become a coach. Really this man has no respect for anyone.

M&M, I watched the game, we threw two balls deep all game and both were off play action (which when your running for 2 yards a carry I'm not sure where the threat is) and were with JC under pressure. I didn't say just throw deep 50 times, I said put JC in the shotgun and throw 50 times a game, use Moss and ARE's ability to run after the catch with some hitch passes and slants, and bubble screens get Cooley on some outs and digs, get Betts and Portis on some screens and wheel routes, do something besides try and line up and run it when everyone knows that's all you and that you can't do it.

Biggest lie EVER on this board, or any board:

"Sorry but I'd rather not win that way if I had the choice."

Thank you, RedskinsWarpath.com! You'd rather lose than win like the Patriots do? Well, then, you're getting your wish, because the Skins ARE losing, and they're losing THEIR way!

Spare me. There's not one person on this board who wouldn't trade Gibbs for Bill B. right now, straight up, and if anyone says otherwise, they're lying to themselves.

For all of those who see the karma angle in all of this, my guess is that if Brady doesn't get his knee folded back 90 degrees the wrong way this season he'll end up on the cover of Madden next season. And you know what that means...

And Jason's right...someone will hurt Brady. It might take a year or two or even more but someone will take a cheap shot on him for not respecting the game.

If they want to send a message the need to know that others will send a message as well. I'm not advocating it but I am guaranteeing it.

Jack, you're probably right for this league now. Unfortunately, this team isn't built to be a bomber. Not now anyway.

I'm gonna do a complete 180 on JG now (prove me wrong, Joe, puhleeeze!) and advocate the 'fresh young' approach. 'Cause coaching by committee isn't cutting it.

Y'know - I gotta say, there isn't much pie being served today. I would have expected more.

...sooooo demoralizing...

...gah...

Sorry TMU I wouldn't make the trade. And no I am not lying about it. Self respect means more to me than winning my friend.

Just a couple of points.
1. The Pats are classless but it's still our job to stop them. There was absolutly no fight in our defense. Maybe they are tired of an offense with no bite.
2. In this league-no OLine and you aren't getting anywhere. The Offensive line has more holes then swiss cheese.
3. HEART. Someone on this team needs to get fired up. Sean Taylor needs to take charge. All the players talk about how great he is now he needs to MAN up.

jm200:

Oh, you wouldn't trade Old Man River for Billy B.?

Then enjoy the cruise to Purgatory. No alcoholic beverages. Lots of talk about how the whole crew is pulling together.

Sheesh.

if we lose against the Jets, Gibbs will start to pack his bags so things will be all set for his departure in January. I can then only hope that we find a coach that will stick with this team and make it better - i am still praying it is Gibbs, but I am not so sure anymore.

Proud of the effort when your team gets smoked? Please. Joe, go hug your family instead of treating your players like children.

Jack

WE CANT PASS BLOCK AT the Moment. Shotgun will not fix that. The blocking will probably get better later this year if we don't keep getting players hurt.

Every one wanted to blitz last year but we could not.

WE have to run to set up the pass. That last game should have shown this.

jm220, that's such a load of crap, self respect is not having a bunch of criminals or steroid freaks on your team but just because you kick the crap out of another team doesn't mean you can't have self respect, I doubt there are many Patriots this morning having any self-esteem issues, but I guess you can feel good that we lost respectfully.

Even at 4-2 we dream there may be a chance for a playoff run, maybe a division title if the C-boys stumble a bit...but no matter who comes out of the NFC this year, the Colts, Pat's or Stillers are going to beat the blood and snot out of them in Arizona at the not so Super bowl. AFC championship game will be the highlight of the playoffs...

TMU I don't drink so there won't be any alcoholic beverages.

If you run up the score, you risk frustrating a team to the breaking point, and someone kills your QB. Don't give me crap about the players being professional; they play with passion and emotion. Anyone who doesn't isn't any good. The quickest way to secure the win when up by 35 points is to run the ball and keep the clock going.

Obviously, Belicheck was humiliated by getting caught cheating. This is his way of exacting revenge. He does have the best team in the NFL, and very well could be the best ever. He's a bully. No one will cry when the tables are turned, that's for sure.

Bellicheck's "act" during his post-game conferences are getting pretty old, as is his "I don't care, I'll wear a sweatshirt" attitude to dressing.

My guess is he's burning with rage and humiliation, like many eight year olds are when they're embarassed by getting caught doing something wrong.

We through the ball down the field!!!

I must have missed that part -- they looked like they were throwing to the sidelines. Maybe I need new contacts.

The results we not good.

Pretty much everyone can agree on that.

Watch the freaking game.

I did. I could only think "So, it's going to be like that is it?" and turn away in disgust. Honestly, it looked like parts of last year with Boonell at the helm and the sidelines not quite sure of what they wanted to do. Only thing missing was happy-feet himself and some delay-of-game penalties.

Even so, I find it hard to be upset after that game. After all, it was the Patriots.

The favored quote here applies: they were who we thought they were.

I'm not lying to myself, TMU - I don't agree w/ doping & I'm fairly certain they're doing that in NE.

I'd rather loose every week like this if the only option was to be a total SJKhole.

You love that guy so much, go be a Pats Fan - we won't miss you, trust me.

"Week 2, 1999.

Skins lead the Giants 43-14 in the 4th quarter. That's a 29 point lead, y'all. Four TDs, and at least one two-point conversion. Game well in hand.

In that 4th quarter, Rob Johnson throws a 27-yard touchdown pass to Stephen Alexander, making it 50-14."

Two things...
1. Rob Johnson never played for the Skins. 2. That is a horrible example to use to make your point. If you remember, the Skins were just coming off of a Week 1 loss to Dallas where they blew a 21-point 4th quarter lead and lost in OT.

M&M, shotgun is exactly meant for this situation when you can't block anybody. It gives JC time to see what's coming and get rid of the ball quickly, if teams blitz us you hit the hot routes and if they sit back you take the short stuff to lure them up. But when you CAN'T run the ball you're not setting up the pass or anything else you're just wasting time. Traditional run to set up the pass only works if you have a running game, we don't, it's time to change strategies and work with what we have, a decent, strong armed, mobile, young QB and a lot of money and speed on the outside and a great TE and two backs who catch the ball well too. It's time to adjust, not just keep saying "we're a running team" cause we aren't....

Again I guess short a$$ people have such a complex they can't help but be classless. Again GREAT post you classless short b@stard.

If Jason is right about the extent of Carlos' injury, there's 90% chance that Skins will use their first round draft pick on a cornerback. Offensive line will be restocked in rounds 2 and 3. The rest of the team's needs will have to be filled by low cost free agents and second day picks.

Ill chime in one time today.

The biggest issue I see with the offense is the 18 step drops we always take. Every reciever runs 20 yards before their route is done.

We need to speed up the offense when we are injured. Get the ball out of JC's hands before the pressure gets there.

Remember the 4th and 2 slant to EL and he almost broke it. We are throwing the ball to the receivers deep in their zone and when they catch it the safeties are on top of them.

The the ball into the playmakers hands when they have space and save our QB. The O-line will be our downfall if we dont speed up the passing game.

Also they are stuffing the box b/c they know it takes a s load of time for our routes. And they expect to stop the run or pressure JC before he is ready to throw.

Pass to open up the run is how we should be approaching the offensive game plan.

Zebra Blogging Off

Jason,
Stick to providing facts...and NOT your opinions, please.

this game showed the rest of the league what a lot of us already knew, the 'Skins are not really any good. I'll be surprised if they win 3 more games the rest of the season. the organization is rotten from the top down and until The Danny gets a GM we will continue to suck. and Coach Joe & Co need to go. sorry but yesterday proved they don't know what they're doing anymore.

The Arizona game was must win game for several reasons.

Now, the Jets game is a must win. With the make-up of this team, if they fall to 4-4 then they are staring at an 8-8 record.

This will be a gut-check kind of week. I doubt that the Skins will get their heads screwed on straight until Thursday or so.

If the Jets come to play hard with their new QB, it may very well be a problem.

Thanks Joe..True True!!!!!!!!!!!1

Good luck explaining sportsmanship to your kids. I don't know how you do that and yet encourage what you saw yesterday.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 29, 2007 03:08 PM

A loss to the Jets and Danny will no longer give Gibbs the benefit of the doubt. He has trusted Gibbs to the tune of the most expensive coaching staff in the league, yet what have we to show for it?

The Pats have a kid calling the plays. Can you name one of their assistants?

Our team is a laughing stock of assistant associate head coaches to the ministry of defense for the offense.

The offense has somehow gotten worse over the course of Gibbs' 4 years. And don't give me the injuries excuse.

M
The Skins will definitely use their 1st round pick on a corner. Especially after they release Springs this off-season.

The players were not in a position to do anything! Linebackers were 30 yards downfield in coverage. gameplan was horrendous. The adjustments were non-existant.

While I don't think anyone has a reason to feel good about this game (even the Pats), There's enough blame to go on Ol' Joe that he doesn't need to call anyone but himself out.

Who cares if the Pats are Classless? There's too much posting about that. It's time to Man Up and take your lickings, like I'm doing at work now. Too much complaining.........

The skins' offensive problems start with the O line. I'm not saying that the scheme's, play calling and the performance of our "stars" aren't in question. But until the line gets cranking, we won't be productive. This is not an excuse. It's reality.

As for the Pats, TOTAL NO CLASS! Sportsmanship is a big part of the game....and it IS a game, not a war!

Before that blowout at fedex the boys had beaten the skins 16 times in a row and not once will you find the players and fans rubing it in on the redskins!! Cowboy fans have to much CLASS

Regarding the early part of the season - fine, I'll stipulate that it can be unpredictable. But by now, the direction of the teams can be deciphered easily. And the Skins aren't moving the needle in the right direction. Measuring yourself against the likes of Miami, Arizona, Detroit does not bring confidence. Miami and Arizona had cast-off QBs that are as mobile as granite and on the scrap heap of NFL history at this stage. NYG have improved each game. Philly has struggled but keeps competing. Too much talk about putting this beat-down in the rear view mirror and bring on the Jets for comic relief. I would think the Jets are saying the same thing - Campbell is a young, untested QB and this team folded like a cheap table when it mattered the most. And the Jets are at home, the same field where the NYG have humiliated this team in recent games. No way this will be easy, and that's against a 1-7 team. This fan base is yapping about playoffs when it should be more concerned about just winning a game next week.

I hate to say it B-Rad - but you're probably right.

*** sulk ***

The problem I have with throwing down the field is that we don't DO it to Moss, but we do to Thrash. We need to throw the ball DOWN the field, not to the sides. If we can't put over 30 points on the board, and over 400 yards of offense versus the jets, then change needs to happen, and needs to happen soon.

And the hits keep coming:

Dik says:

"I'm not lying to myself, TMU - I don't agree w/ doping & I'm fairly certain they're doing that in NE."

Oh, so now you've developed the power to figure out that the Pats are DOPING? Evidence? Any shred? Or just the fact that they rolled the Skins like . . . well, pick the metaphor.

The Skins got blasted. Try not to cling to wild fantasies about how it happened.

Portis has lost his edge? What happened? Are we not putting enough emphasis on the right side of the O-Line being decimated?

Redcoat!

Way to hang in there in England! Giant JT is AMAZING. Wish I had one of those. Do you think he took it home?? hehehe

I think Lemon's hands may be too small for a wet ball!! That would explain alot. Time for the new kid - in the next couple games, I think.

Oh - Allen (is that his name?) looked good in his first start!

Damn, even the PRESS is frontrunning for mister-throws-on-fourth-and-2-with-a-500-point-lead. But what else do you expect from a Baltimore guy who roots for the Red Sox?

The defensive corner position now may be as big of an injury problem as O-Line.

We've got the injury-prone Springs and under-performing (and injured?) Smoot out there right now.

Torrence and Macklin are next on the depth chart. Fox, Doughty, and Prioleau round out the possible back-ups.

That's weak.

Jason-

Is it possible to find out how many times Vrabel has lined up in the backfield, an how many passes were thrown to him? I mean we all know that this is like 10/10 or 11/11 in terms of catches/TD's, but is there anything in that formation that makes it a 95-100% chance that Vrabel is the target? Because if he always is, a coach and a player should probably be losing their job over that play.

Thx,

Jay!

Everybodys ASSes are red from that spanking,that absolute beat down,a very embarrassing wooping, no room for SPIN,EXCUSES,or even POSITIVE thoughts! instead of swimming in kool-aide we should be CONPLAINING as paying fans that the product SUCKS and make change!

I'm in the minority here i guess. i think it's classless to run up the score on anyone but Mangini. I can't wait to see Bill's expression as they cart Brady off the field in the closing minutes of a 38-3 game. I can't believe I will be rooting Umenyora and Strahan on in week 16 but I definitely will.

Listening to you GOOBERS say the reason to be positive is because the NFC is really bad is VERY PATHETIC! thats really somthing to bragg about? WOO-HOO

Like I was saying 2 weeks ago when everyone was bashing me - Campbell isn't the most accurate. He can def get the ball close to you every time, even to the point you can get your fingertips on it. But, rarely do I see him hit people right in the numbers.

I can see him moving in the right direction, though. But the truth is the truth? Am I still an SJK-Hole?

This "class" talk is pointless. You play to win. Those who complain about how the Pats kept passing obviously have not watched them much. They run to keep you honest; they pass to beat you. To them, screens, hitches, slants, and passes to the flat are the running game. It's like the '94 Niners: Pass first, run later. The way to disrupt a team like that is to disrupt its timing. Heck, the Skins couldn't even stop a backup QB from converting on fourth and two for 21 yards or running in from sixteen out. They've no grounds to whine.

As to JLC's point about people gunning for Brady, the bounds for Brady's removal from the game to avoid injuries or running up the score have been clearly established.

If:
a) At least 40 points have been scored,
b) The lead is three scores in the 4th quarter,
then Brady comes out.

If further events make condition b false, Brady comes back in.

One day, I hope, Tom Brady will have his Charles Martin moment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Martin_%28football_player%29

TMU - I saw the doping in the Dallas game. Not this past weekend, though it's probably ongoing.

Those over the hill linebackers are being propped up w/ meds. They had/have the same over pumped gestalt as Romanowski did in that Denver superbowl when everyone was hopped up. That's my evidence.

Just my opinion. But I'm right.

I don't need to make excuses for the Skins - they have their own problems.

But Belichick's rep is out there & now he and his team are reactionary. If it quacks like a duck...

Definitions:

classy: having or showing class: as
a: having or reflecting high standards of personal behavior b: admirably skillful and graceful

Belichick: None of the above

"Nate,
I don't think you're happy with the medicocre performance year after year. However, I do think you and many of the fans that post here are contempt with being in the hunt for the last spot in the playoffs. How you ask, by having the same perspective as Gibbs after a loss or that hunky dory attitude after a win that deep down you question, how in the hell did they pull that one out?
Before, you call out my "fanhood" know this, I honestly have great respect for your and others shared optimism. Seriously. I think this team has the talent to be sucessful, but until this team cuts the cancer that is Daniel M., 4-12 to 9-7 season are all I see. I just wish people would forget that this is your favorite team and logically break down their faults and virtues."

SkinsRealist, I don't want to belabor this endlessly, but on the last thread I wasn't calling out your fanhood at all. The opposite was the case; I was noting that you had called out fans like me who do not "collectively refuse to settle for mediocrity," as you suggest would be a better path.

I asked you what it would mean to refuse to settle for mediocrity, and you suggest that I/we "forget that this is your favorite team and logically break down their faults and virtues."

I've spent plenty of time up here noting what I perceive to be the team's faults and virtues, sometimes even using logic. But I've never forgotten that this is my favorite team! I wouldn't be here in the first place if this weren't my favorite team! And I wouldn't try to remain so positive and hopeful -- in the face of mounting evidence to the contrary -- if this weren't my favorite team and I didn't want to believe in better things in our future.

Again, I just don't see what it is I would be doing differently, to act the way you think a fan should. I'm asking because I'm honestly curious; you've obviously given this a lot of thought.

Should I include a caveat with every positive or hopeful comment, acknowledging that we are just not a great team right now, and that I wish we were consistently great from game to game, season to season, decade to decade? Or should I eschew any positive or hopeful comments altogether, until we've strung together a couple of division titles and strong playoff showings in a row?

Is it possible to find out how many times Vrabel has lined up in the backfield, an how many passes were thrown to him? I mean we all know that this is like 10/10 or 11/11 in terms of catches/TD's, but is there anything in that formation that makes it a 95-100% chance that Vrabel is the target? Because if he always is, a coach and a player should probably be losing their job over that play.

Posted by: JayRockers! | October 29, 2007 03:30 PM

I've seen Vrabel lined up in the backfield with Seau and they were running plays, so it isn't a 100% correlation that if he's out there he's going to be the receiver, but it's still a very high probability. LFB should have known that too, he's played the Pats more than enough times, so don't lay it all on the coaches. If he'd called a time-out I bet they would have taken Vrabel off again.

Thanks Dik, I just wish the 26ft Jason Taylor was a little more mobile, we could sign him to a long-term contract then! It's interesting that you mentioned Jason Allen, the commentators mentioned that we have ZERO guys on the team who were drafted between 1998 and 2003 (65 picks I think), but by next season about half our roster will be 2006/7 draft picks, so we're at least headed in the right direction.

Anyone want to trade for first pick in the 2008 draft?

"I must have missed that part -- they looked like they were throwing to the sidelines. Maybe I need new contacts."

You need new contacts.

Totally disagree with you Jason. Can't believe your are supporting Belichick's classless behavior.....oh wait You're a Ravens fan. Now it makes sense.

OK, so i've finally mustered up the chutzpah to post today.

Here's my reflection on yesterday's debacle, unsolicited as always.

Football=psychology. And we lost the psychological battles. Yes, the pats are a talented team, but as Jasno pointed out, that's not how they beat you.

Our boys were scared SJKless. I'd never seen Mike Sellers scared before yesterday, but by the thrid time Vrabel got by him, I could see the crap stains in his pants. Soup was jusitifiably paranoid and those balls didn't sail because of the wind. Even our vaunted Area 51 looked skittish. They got summarily blocked out of plays by Wes Freakin Welker. They made him look like he was a pulling tackle. Gregg even commented on it this week.

IMO, the blame for lack of preparation for psychological warfare goes on the coaches. The players, especially the offense, have 0 confidence in themselves or the play calling, nor should they. The offensive coaching staff can not identify weaknesses or make adjustments of any type. We're still playing a "take what they give you" offense as opposed to a "take it to them" offense. Our guys look timid and unsure of their leaders.

I know that the coaches didn't fumble the ball or throw picks, but they're also coaching Soupy to look downfield first and not step into the pocket or get his hands up when he feels an obvious rush coming. And yes, that is a coaching issue. It's so simple it's obscene that it hasn't been addressed yet. And, just like when Brunell was playing, we have no passing game to the middle of the field.

Finally, the pervasive fear that was around this team is what lead to this loss. None of the coaches gave any reason for the players to feel like they even had a shot. It looked and sounded to me that the players and coaches just wanted to get out of Foxboro. Not with any dignity or pride, but just to get out.

And one little picky item. Why, if we had given up the game, were ANY of the starters on the field in the 4th quarter? It wasn't for any stinking pride. There wasn't a shred of that left by then. It was a bad risk to take. In fact, my reaction as the coach at that point would have been to punitively bench every starter. OK, that might be hyperbole.

ARRRRGHHH!

People saying "they should have kicked a field goal" are idiots. The odds of making a 30-35 yard field goal are about 90%. So, youd rather take a 90% chance of giving up 3 points than having a 50/50 chance of the Pats getting a first on 4th and 2 and THEN continuing on to score a TD? In the long run the amount of points ends up being about the same, and at least if they go for it on 4th down, they're putting the ball in OUR court to stop them. You dont like us scoring? Stop us on 4th and 2 or later then. Youd rather just give up the automatic 3 points than have a chance to stop them?

Just a stab in the dark here, but I think 3:38 anon is from a certain someone in a certain pacific northwest town...

We have two discussions here. They are only related in that the two teams that have these issues met on Sunday.

1) The Redskins sucked on Sunday and have overwhelming, lasting problems.

2) The Pats may or may not be cheating SJKholes who should get their just deserts.

Can everyone try to keep the two separate? I haven't heard anyone on here say the reason the skins lost is because of the cheating. so stop maintaining that as an issue.

Debating the substance of the complaints against the pats is valid. take either side. defend it.

But as long as you use one issue to prop up the other, you're not making any sense. On either side.

The bizniz about Bellichek running up the score is a media creation ... dignified by our own J La C. Gibbs said he didn't have a problem with it. Williams said he didn't have a problem with it. Nothing to see here folks ... move along. [The intended audience for that was the Clots, who must be shakin in their boots like they're soooooo scared.] As a Clevelander born and raised, the Bill Bellichik I remember was not so stellar. I'm done with him (for now anyway).

I could be wrong, but I don't remember Brady being sacked or fumbling this year till Phillip Daniels got to him. So, like eternal peace, we got that going for us.

Also, the Pats had to play against the Skins strength, which was a legit secondary. First TD, QB rushing the ball. When has he had to do that before? Three of those TDs were the QB running the ball. There's a little respect for the Skins' secondary there (or what remained after Rogers went down). Other than those QB rushes, the only legitimate offensive TD was Welker's. The TD by Vrabel (not an offensive player) was a gadget play (admittedly one that had been done nine times before, but it WAS a gadget play). It was their defense, plus the Return of Maroney (from out of nowhere as far as I could tell) that made it such a shocker. It WAS a shocker. That said, it was only a single loss ... its not like "They beat us so bad, we got five losses for it" (credit to 4-12 ... or maybe it was cload from the previous post).

Betts? Please. The problem in the running game is not Portis ... its the loss of an offensive line that made the Skins a rushing team.

Also, whoever called Leigh Torrence a 2.0 version of Kenny Wright misses the point that the guy is a rookie. Wright was not ... by a long shot.

jm220 ... I cannot believe you are down on positive thoughts. You, of all people. The bandwagoneering around here is making me think Skins fans are getting what they deserve ... inconsistency.

Ha! I worked so hard on all that blather and I forgot to sign it!

Mr. Hand -

I dunno. I think that BB's skill is admirable and that his team wins with such ease as to be graceful. I believe you've confused "graceful" with "gracious".

Graceful: characterized by beauty of movement, style, form, or execution.

Gracious: courteous: exhibiting courtesy and politeness; "a nice gesture"

It's the same root, but the subtle difference invalidates your argument, or at least makes you say something that you might not have intended to say.

"Stop it with the nonsense about playing Betts over Portis. Portis is no the problem.

'As much as I hate to say it, the few times he has broken into open field he's been unable to turn on the gas. It just hasn't been there. Then again, I don't recall Betts ever making a move in the open field, he's usually felled by the first guy that bumps into him. He just seems to hit what little holes there are a lot faster than Portis.'"

- Thank you! Betts' style is more productive in the type of offense we are running and/or with the O line banged up. You would have to be blind to not see he is hitting the line much faster than Portis. Betts is getting 3/4 yds on plays that Portis is getting next to nothing on. Yeah, you can cite YPC, but, then again, Betts is not getting near the same reps as Portis. I believe Betts is one of those backs that gets better the more touches he gets in a game. Portis is washed up! But, neither back is special.

- I believe Joe Gibbs is washed up as well! I remember the days when Gibbs NEVER got outcoached and was the one that innovated and came up with new wrinkles every game. Hmmm...let's see. Thought bubble - "The Patriots will most likely assume we are going to be conservative and kill clock to play keep away. Let's come out with guns blazing and catch them off guard!" Announcers repeatedly pointed out the Patriot's penchant for jumping our 5 yd passes yesterday. Did we capitalize on that tendency? Sorry, I'm tired of Gibbs philosophy of playing not to lose!!! Plus, this same philosophy leads the league in losses when leading at halftime since he became coach again. I really hope it's his last year.

Couldn't disagree with the masses more and I'm proud to say it.

It's called basic sportsmanship people.........Bellichick doesn't have a shred!

What does it matter? It doesn't, but don't try to make it sound like it's something to be admired. Winning games is very admirable. So is blowing people out. But, dancing on their graves while you are blowing them out is just plain classless!

Larry Bud, I agree re: the reasons for the depth of the drubbing ... early psychological defeat. Specially bad (season worst) performances out of Sellers, Fabini, and by a LOOOOONG SHOT, Wade. Whenever Vrabel came, he came off Wade.

Sween,

Many of the posts by "JM220" aren't really from JM I don't think. It's the same coward who is too scared to post under their own name.

A general RULE is if the POST looks like THIS then it's PROBABLY that IDIOT.

Man, people on this blog are idiots. It is idiotic to compare Belickick's win/loss record with the Browns and subsequently with the Patriots and then conclude that his success as a coach is only the result of Brady's great play. First, does Tom Brady play defense? If I remember correctly, the redskins were losing 52-0 at one point. Seems to me that the great coach in that equation is pretty obvious. Second, every coach is only as good as his players. Bill Walsh would not be a hall of famer without Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, or Steve Young. Belickick turns nobodies into contributors, and his players take less money to play for him. Contrast that with the current 'skins roster: a bunch of mercinaries who could give a damn about winning and losing. Third, the argument that his record from his days as the Browns' head coach precludes him from being a great coach is completely illogical. It suggests that he is incapable of improving as a leader, gameplanner and a gameday strategist. Belickick is a great coach, and every 'skins fan out there would trade Joe Gibbs for Belickick without even a second thought.

Lastly, some moron called Jasno out for being critical of the running game after making a preseason prediction that the running game would be okay. Are you kidding? How long did you have to think of that one? The running game sucks b/c Portis has a makeshift line in front of him and he's so scared of fumbling that he dances around the hole like he's doing his lame-ass endzone dance.

Everybodys ASSes are red from that spanking,that absolute beat down,a very embarrassing wooping, no room for SPIN,EXCUSES,or even POSITIVE thoughts! instead of swimming in kool-aide we should be CONPLAINING as paying fans that the product SUCKS and make change!

Posted by: jm220 | October 29, 2007 03:32 PM

AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH.....people begin to come to my darkside! I've been trying to tell ya'll this for a while our Front Office is a joke, our Space Cowboy coach can't manage the clock, or 700 page playbook can't produce 20 points, and we can't draft more than 3 players a year that make the team. The only regular producer in this organization for the last 4 years save one has been Man Boobs.....

Jason....I think YOU will be the one looking for another job next year !...look what happened to the guy Czaban sitting on the right of last year post game show....Is he the one I saw this past weekend bagging @ my GIANT ???

As Mark Schereth said, it's like having a batter bunt to break up a no-hitter with 2 outs, down 11 runs in the bottom of the ninth. Or bunting when you have a huge lead in the top of the ninth.

It's within your rights to do it -- but it doesn't make you any less of an asshat.

Jah-

Where was the grave dancing? Was it sending the third-string QB out on kickoff coverage after the second-stringer ran one in?

Regarding Portis:

Some of you that stand in awe of BB are the same ones who are outraged by the very idea that Betts is in the same league as Portis.

Someone let me know one play from Portis this year that makes you think Portis that much better than Betts or Kenny Watson for that matter.

BB doesn't get caught up in draft position, hype or anything else. Only on performance. If they had decided to make Betts starter this year and he played like Portis has so far many of you same people would be screaming from the rooftops for Portis to start.

It's time to give Betts a chance. He hits the holes more quickly and is a cutback runner. As crappy as our O-line is holding blocks i think he's a better choice.

sween,

You are sinsei, as always, but couple things:

1. We lost 52-7. Finding the highlights is looking for leftover corn in a turd.
2. The argument that Clinton is not getting good blocking doesn't hold up. Yes, it hurt to lose Randy Thomas, but Wade and Fabini have been in there together for goodly bit and when Wade was lighting up the world a while back we weren't saying it was an injury issue. We should be running left behind Kendall and Samuels if that's the case anyway. CP missed holes and had 0 burst. Plus, this offense still isn't designed for who he is (or was). We had 3 or our starting 5 o- lineman and Wade was the starter there for a while. Plus, we had Sellers and Yoder healthy.

CP has issues.

Rob P

Betts is averaging 2.9 yds/carry

3:38 anon,
Cheer for YOUR team whatever way you see fit. I would never tell or suggest which stance should you take.

That's nonsense.

I just get upset when my opinion gets taking way out of context. Just because I give a critical opinion, doesn't mean I like the Skins any less then someone who opinions differs from mine. I have followed them since 1993. For me, giving my time in on this earth thats a long time. I love this team. Do I get personal when I think someone is being too critical, no. Do I shy away from the national sports media because the Skins loose, no. Hell, I don't like the Cowboys, but I don't hate them either. Some one posted last night that they would like to see the Patroits team plane meet the same demise as the Marshall football team. To me, that is taking it way past being a fan, and a fanatic for that matter. Its just insane.

I would never tell you or anyone else how to cheer for your favorite team, but when someone voices their opinion, don't cry and take it personal. Its just football, and neither you or I get paid to play. Its not our lives.

Well, not mine anyway.

Skins lead the Giants 69-41 with less than a minute to go. And call time out and send in the FG unit. Final score 72-41. And the coaches didn't call the time out. Its was ... Sam Huff.

BB wants every team to fear his Pats. Wants every team to question whether they belong. And when he gets you down, he wants to whip you. Because champions are not thinking about mercy, they are thinking about winning. He wants to be in the heads of the other team. I mean, look at the fams today and what they are talking about. Its not much about an O-line that got trashed. Or how Vrabel beat both Sellers and Portis to strip our QB who fumbled three times after only fumbling once last season. Or how our d-line couldn't stop the run and how easy that made it for Brady. Nope, we are talking sportsmanship.

For all those who compare your high school lacrosse sportsmanship experience (and I like lacrosse), its not even close. The NFL is a full time, incredibly well paid job. Fight hard whether you are winning or not.

Skinz, good rule. Rule of Thumb? Thumb rulz, pinkie drulz.

While we're on the topic of spitting venom with personal attacks on players, overall, for some reason, I like Peyotn Manning less than Tom Brady. That said, Brady lost me last season (maybe the season before last) when he started whining about how nobody in the media respects the Patriots. Boo hoo. Also, not a big fan of his Travis Henry imitation, spilling his seed all over the place like a parakeet.

So Jason,

I'd think you were a spy for the Pats if you actually knew anything about football!

And Seriously you shouldn't even be commenting on the NFL, your focus was on baseball and the Suxs, this week!

Were you wearing a Patriot cap while you watched the Suxs?!!

Your as classless as Belicheat!!
The cold harsh reality is that there is nothing that Belicheat and the Pats can do to un-Taint the Taint.

Yes they have one of the best HGH and steroid programs in the NFL, HGHarrison, Say-it-ain't-so Seau, Tedy "Enlarged skull and Steroid induced stroke at 30" Bruschi, Ted "Swept under the rug" Johnson and Wes "When steroid and amphetamines collide" Welker looks like one of the newest members of The Program.

If they go 16-0, it doesn't change that they still felt the need to blatantly cheat Week 1 against the JETS!!!!!

You hop on and off the bandwagon every week. No surprise your a Red Sox/Patriots Fan!!

You probably have a St. Louis Cardinals Jersey right next to your San Antonio Spurs and Boise St. jersey in your closet from last year. Oh sorry, your probably a USC fan or that was until you became a huge Gator fan after burning your Ohio State jersey that you got after USC fell out of the National Championship race.

Were you carrying around a Rockies hat?...you know...just in case!!

You guys need to stop bashing the Patriots and Bill Belichick. Redskins are the ones at fault. They are the most unprepared team in NFL. This is a professional league and you better be ready week in week out. They run games plans from the 1950s. All of these coaches need to be fired and we need to bring in someone who understands how the new generation NFL works.

I posted after the Giants game (or was it Green Bay) that there is a fundamental difference between Belichick and Gibbs coaching styles and the teams they create.

Once in front Belichick teams always try to break the other teams will. They will NEVER let you back into a game willingly. That's for two reasons: 7) just in case they have to play you again sometime - to make you scared, and, g) to send a message to whoever they are playing next.

The Patriots are all about creating total psychological ascendancy over opponents. They had it over BBM for years even when his talent had evo