love the guys on this team.

It's pronounced "RAW-bock"

From previous thread:

I don't understand people who come on here and say don't be negative, don't whine, don't talk about possible trades, the coaching staff, the FO, or the Receiver....after a loss what else is there to talk about? I praise them when they win and I criticize when they lose. As soon as we are a perennial playoff team/super bowl contender I will cease all criticism and be purely positive. But until then, the recent history of this franchise deserves criticism and this is the place that is built for reaction and team discussion. How much fun would it be if all we said was, "Gee Sunday sucked, but I know we are still the best and we're gonna win every game from here on out."?

Is "feeling a lot better" translation for I'm enjoying all those pain pills he was on yesterday?

For example, I think its ridiculous that McNabb, Andy Reid, and the Eagles are getting pounded in Philly they way they are. They are having a down year after a decade of excellence and flat out domination of this division. They have earned a pass from criticism for a season or two. Now if they go into the tank like we have for 15 years then they deserve to get berated mercilessly, but for now, they shouldn't be anything said about them, they had a tough run so far but I for one have faith they'll turn it around and contend again if not this year, then next. They've earned that, the Skins haven't! we have been the model of dysfunction for years.

man some people like to come up here and just keep repeating themselves. f'ing broken record.

GREAT news. I bet we go into this next game with the same line we started last week. Worst case sounds like it would be with demulling at G and Fabini at T. Not ideal, but not time to jump off buildings either.

man some people like to come up here and just keep repeating themselves. f'ing broken record.

Posted by: | October 16, 2007 02:28 PM

man some people like to come up here and just keep repeating themselves. f'ing broken record.

Posted by: | October 16, 2007 02:28 PM

man some people like to come up here and just keep repeating themselves. f'ing broken record.

Posted by: | October 16, 2007 02:28 PM

man some people like to come up here and just keep repeating themselves. f'ing broken record.

Posted by: | October 16, 2007 02:28 PM

man some people like to come up here and just keep repeating themselves. f'ing broken record.

Posted by: | October 16, 2007 02:28 PM

man some people like to come up here and just keep repeating themselves. f'ing broken record.

Posted by: | October 16, 2007 02:28 PM

man some people like to come up here and just keep repeating themselves. f'ing broken record.

Posted by: | October 16, 2007 02:28 PM

man some people like to come up here and just keep repeating themselves. f'ing broken record.

Posted by: | October 16, 2007 02:28 PM

man some people like to come up here and just keep repeating themselves. f'ing broken record.

Posted by: | October 16, 2007 02:28 PM

man some people like to come up here and just keep repeating themselves. f'ing broken record.

Posted by: | October 16, 2007 02:28 PM

man some people like to come up here and just keep repeating themselves. f'ing broken record.

Posted by: | October 16, 2007 02:28 PM

man some people like to come up here and just keep repeating themselves. f'ing broken record.

Posted by: | October 16, 2007 02:28 PM

Too bad some here aren't "too smart to write".

Jack,

I agree with you. I used to post on the regular, and like you, I'm very critical of the Redskins. I celebrate wins all the way until Wednesday, and dread the losses all year. I love this team, but as you put it, when the team has been bad or mediocre for this long, you loose patience. It is expected. You feel like the FO is laughing at the fans. You get the feeling after 15 years of 'whatever' we as fans should be very angry about the tanking year after year, but some fans would rather sip the kool-aid and accuse those who choose to be critical as part-time fans, and "Maybe you should find another team". What nonsense. Take off the burgundy stunner shades, pour the cherry kool aid out of your Redskins cup, and get a grip optimists.

I thought it was pronounced 'WRONG - Block'

yeah, still too early...

maybe tomorrow

O lineman are the best----you never hear them crying, they give 100% every down, Rabach is a true redskin and if he makes it back quickly he will be the difference

Jack,

I have been monitoring the posts on this blog, and have taken your proposal of trading Ladell Betts to us under strong consideration. However after reading the mocking posts that were made by Greg, Nate, and others, I am no longer interested. When your offensive line sucks this weekend, please do not blame yourself, however do feel free to piss and whine on Monday in your posts.

Thanks,

Bruce Allen

SkinsRealist

Hallelujah!

I'm tired of the we're great! Shut up attitude....I grew up watching the Skins, and when Gibbs came here, they were incredible, and when he came back I had hope, but I think the constant clock management issues, the poor personnel decisions, the repeated second half collapses, and the utter lack of in-game adjustments (a hallmark of Gibbs I) have proven he lost a step. I actually am pretty proud of the Danny for getting Gibbs, and giving him the time to prove he can't do the job (something he didn't do with Marty) and I have faith that he will pay whatever he needs to pay to get the most qualified option out there, I just hope he gives the next guy the same time that the "Gibbs" name got Joe, because he has been mediocre at best.

No one is saying you can't be critical or not post. It's just that if you don't read the posts already posted where people say "trading is not possible" then what do you expect?

For the last time: We cannot trade or cut anyone with a signing bonus of any kind these players include but are not limited to:

Betts
Portis
Cambell
Landry
Taylor
Moss
ARE
Jansen
Samuel
Washington
London-Paris-Fletcher-Hunter-Baker
Griff
Springs
Carlos
Smoot

So please stop with the trade talk. I'l be happy when the clock strikes 4 today although some people will probably be talking trades in december.
Lloyd

I love offensive line men. They are the cornerstone of a franchise. It is clear that you must have a good to great O-line, if you want to be on the podium first week of February hoisting the trophy. Second, you must solidify your secondary, I'll start with the FS, followed by a shut down corner, then the SS. Next is the QB, LB's, D-line, WR's, RB's, and K/P. In that order to.

Vinny,

I would like to acquire most of, if not all of the above named players for a 7th round pick this year, AS WELL AS, a 6 month subsciption to the Denver Post.

Let me know....

So what's the strategy on offense against the Catbirds?

a) Quick release stuff in the seam.
b) Run to set up the pass (or has this strategy been rendered quaint in today's NFL?).
c) Play action and screens.
d) Turn it over to the D and let them put points on the board.

{Sorry for breaking the RI list conventions dealer}

And like Bruce Allen just said, when our Oline sucks again this week against a pretty good Arizona defense I will whine, because something could be done today about it but nothing will, because St. Joe is "raking his brain" on how to fix things. Kendall came here for not a high price tag and has played great, we could find a starter out there for a conditional 5th or Betts and a laterounder but nothing will happen. And one more injury and our season is over....

London-Paris-Fletcher-Hunter-Baker?

That is not his real name, GTFOH!

Skinz, deals can be structured to minimize the hits (like the Archuletta deal) if the new team guarantees the bonus or the player re-structures anything is possible.

Jack,

I would be willing to trade most of, if not all of my offensive line to the Redskins, for the following players:

Betts
Portis
Cambell
Landry
Taylor
Moss
ARE
Jansen
Samuel
Washington
London-Paris-Fletcher-Hunter-Baker
Griff
Springs
Carlos
Smoot

Please have Vinny Cerrato call me at, 1-800-URA-TOOL

Thanks,

Bruce Allen

Jack drulz!
Dbagx5000 rulz!

Buccaneers acquired RB Michael Bennett from the Chiefs.
Bruce is done.

Again with the "raking" of brains. I know it's fall and we are all raking leaves but as far as my brain goes, I'll stick with the pruning shears.

Bruce and Mike,

I'm suprised that you'd want to deal with us after we ripped you off on our previous dealings.

P.S. Thanks for selling me that land in Florida. We are trying to get started on the build but have been having some issue. Apparently there has been alot of rain because every builder i speak with says drainage will be an issue.

Yeah you guys are right.....

Can't wait to watch Fabini, Demulling, and Pucillo maul Arizona! and Betts sit on the bench most of the game and carry the ball 5 times.

Yeah Jack, because another team's backup offensive linemen could come in and start for the Redskins this Sunday. That would be a great reason to trade Betts. Super smart stupendously great reason.

Don't tell me that some of you are still on the Betts topic.

Soften them up with quick strikes to Moss, ARE, Cooley... and pound the dickens out of them with Portis and Sellers.

We HAVE to get the running game going. If we "pass to set up the run," so be it, but there must be balance. We can't magically turn into a spread offense midseason.

The biggest question may be whether there's rain in Sunday's forecast for Raljon...

And then when CPortis gets hurt, and Rock Friggin Cartwright is your running back, you'll cry about not having Betts anymore because he was traded.

And one more thing. SALARY CAP JACK! As noted by several others, the nfl is not fond of teams going over the cap, which trading him would do. You are the weakest link, Goodbye.

Power Ranking Explanation:

I thought I'd my ranking on this board. The skins are 11 spots lower than the Packers because you lost by 3 points in an away game. You were completely dominated

You are only 1 spot below the Lions because I felt they dominated the game. Had it not been for those lucky 5 TD's the game would have been very close.

Nate my friend I was asking about you yesterday. How is it going?

Jack- Its ok not to know every minute detail about players contracts, its obvious you have a life outside of this blog. You're not employed by the NFL or any NFL media affiliate .These guys know all this info and more than likely have average jobs like you and I. I'm willing to bet there is no Comcast, ESPN/ABC, FOX, CBS, or NBC logo on their paychecks. These people more than likely watch classic episodes of Star Trek or collect Star Wars action figures, even the ones from the prequels. Some on here allow you to express your opinion freely, and basically welcome a little criticism. Others will ridicule you for freely expressing your opinion. I hope and pray none of the imbeciles live in the DC metro area, if they do it will explain a lot around here.

Any chance Betts gets traded for a offense lineman today? thanks for the info

We should trade Jason Cambell for Vinny Testeverde. That guy lit it up the other day.

Welcome back, jm220, my friend. Aside from feeling like I got punched in the stomach twelve times on Sunday, things are going pretty well.

Sure, I still have the nightmares (there's Tiki running free into our D backfield again! look, there he is again! and again!), but my therapist says in a few years I should be fine.

And one more thing, the NFL does allow you to restructure or new teams guarantee bonuses so we could get a deal done and we don't have to deal Betts, we got Kendall for a 5th, I bet the Falcons or Dolphins might trade a good olineman for a 4th? , but forget it, I'm off it, ya'll are right, we're in great shape at Oline and don't need to do anything to fix it.

We have got to go towards the Green Bay type of offense (that's worked against everybody but us so far, one not criticism of this team, our D is absolutely legit again!) and throw slants, swings, and hitches. We just aren't going to be able to line up and run it anymore cause everyone know we're going left.

Where oh where is Periculum?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80354dd6&template=without-video&confirm=true

Jack,

I've been following your trade proposals from afar. Your attention to detail has caught my eye. I was wondering if I could interest you in a job with the New England Patriots.

Please let me know if you are interested.

Thanks,

Scott Polio

Jack- Its ok not to know every minute detail about players contracts, its obvious you have a life outside of this blog.

Posted by: SkinsRealist | October 16, 2007 03:00 PM

I always appreciate these types of arguments. Good one SkinsRealist, you post on a blog making fun of people who...wait for it...wait for it post on the blog.

You then associate ignorant statements with having a life. You sir are a Booch. (Bama and Chooch) May god have mercy on your soul.

Betts and Cartwright are the same type RB. They're interchangable. RB's can be found at your local bodega or bus stop.

Tell that to Tampa.

BTW, the Dolphins just traded Chris Chambers to the Chargers, but they probably wouldn't trade us a starter at Oline for a mid-round pick. They just traded they're best WR.

jm,
Make them stop, please.

I second that motion Stumped.

Skinz- are you trying to mix the DC communties? What could you know about the word bamma (correct sp. of the slang term) besides except being called one on a daily basis for the last 20 years. Bama and chooch, makes Booch, nice to see you're so creative. You sir, represent the ignorant so-called fanbase in the region make me sick. Get outta the hole.

I will 3rd the motion; jm220

I think sonny and sam are funny. so does my wife. I'm too cheap to get the dish, but am a dyed in the wool skins fan, so I end up listening to them every weekend on the internets. Living in Minnesota means that I can't see them on the TV every weekend.

One good point that the Jack thing brings up is why we are all still fans after so many years of terrible football. I remember Gibbs 1.0, and became a fan then. I can't figuer out why anybody would become a fan of the Redskins now, though. In a lot of ways, they end up representing everything that I hate about pro football and pro sports in general (way too much money, fan gouging, racist nicknames, etc...)
But, I read this damn blog everyday along with all of the other ones (curly R, etc...) It's sort of like a soap opera. That, and the off-season is usually as good, if not better, than the regular football season :)

Jasno: You have good taste in music. Have you read "Please Kill Me", an oral history of the early punk scene (MC5, Stooges, J.Thunders, etc, etc)?

4th the motion?

Skinz, it's wrong but I had to laugh at that one.

Nate it could have been worse. I ran in honor of my friend who died of lupus Sunday morning. (one day after Ramadan ended) The flyer and NJ Lupus foundation web site says 4 miles but it ended up being 4.4 miles. My friend father wanted me to walk the 2.2 miles with him after the run. Only to come home and hear our team lose. Damn crazy Al and those damn reverse

I'm not a Bama.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bama

Jack the idiot and SkinsRealist are the same person.

first

anon- that would be like choking the chicken or high fiving myself. What would be the point?

SkinsRealist and Jack, I'm running late please wait outside I'll be there to pick you up in a few minutes

"Please Kill Me" is awesome. Great, great read. See also: "This Band Could Be Your Life."

jm, you're not switching from Grilliams bashing to Weird Al bashing, are you? Flip-flopper!

I'm sorry, I'd like to repeat, Chris Chambers just got traded! A pro-bowler stuck on a miserable team that was one of only two (Burress) WR's that have had any success against us just got traded, (for initial indications of either a conditional 4th or a 5th and 6th)and we won't do anything and hold onto our late rounders to pick maybe one guy (H.B. Blades) that even makes the team instead of getting an Olineman.

Apropos of nothing, but to try to make you all feel a little better, let it be said that I am confidently predicting that New England will lose their unbeaten record this week, against my decrepit winless Dolphins.

So with that, let no-one ever again call someone out as a 'Kool-Aid drinking homer' on this blog for forecasting a winning season for the Skins! You guys wouldn't believe the thickness of the rose-coloured glasses I have to wear to make that prediction!

Posted by: Redcoat | October 16, 2007 03:08 PM

PAsted in from another thread to introduce some levity. Oh, and if the Chiefs traded Bennett you KNOW that means they will be activating "you know who"....

I'm Jack. People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I enjoy ice cream and a nice pair of slacks. Years later, a doctor will tell me I have an I.Q. of 48.

No Nate I am not. But damn he can't keep running that play ever game. And I did give double G credit when I came back.

Jack, SkinsRealist, you guys have been around long enough to know that it's not what you say up here, it's how you say it.

You guys are greeted with hostility not because of your goofy opinions and half-baked ideas -- we all have those! -- but because you tend to treat others with disdain and contempt. What goes around comes around. And like such as.

Anyway, whatevs, dudes. I'll keep shouting it from the mountaintops:
hail to the blog!
HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!

I'm all for holding onto our first day picks. But if I can get a starter for second day picks I'll do that any day of the week and twice on Sunday, the hit rate on second day picks is marginal at best. Speaking of, how would we feel with Chambers, Moss, and Randle El?

love football and skins

It seems Jack we got a 2nd rounder for Chambers. He has plenty of yards this season and no TDs. We're going to take this squad out to the woodshed at the end of the year anyway, so it makes sense to get what we can for the expensive guys now.

Expect to see Ginn as a starting WR for Miami now, our offense is really humming. Shame about that 'top 5 defense' though. :-)

fake Jack at 3:21, boo on posting under someone else's name! ixnay on the aking-fay!

I'm SkinsRealist a Chooch people like be because, oh why lie, no one likes me.

Years later while getting a second opinion the foremost Bama Dr. in the world will assure me that due to my acute case of Choochness and early onset Bamafication I am indeed...a Booch.

I'm Jack. People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I enjoy ice cream and a nice pair of slacks. Years later, a doctor will tell me I have an I.Q. of 48.

Posted by: Jack | October 16, 2007 03:21 PM

That's a repetitive post from several weeks ago, not real funny then either.

Redcoat,
See my earlier link and shout out to Peri.

late rounders to pick maybe one guy (H.B. Blades) that even makes the team instead of getting an Olineman.

Posted by: Jack | October 16, 2007 03:21 PM

As also pointed out several times, the team had fine depth at offensive line at the beginning of the year. 8 or 9 active, with 1 or 2 on the practice squad. What do you want with your perfect 20/20 vision, 12 active o-linemen coming out of the pre-season?

Agreed Stumped, and guess who put in for him in our fantasy league last night!!

-Could you tell mama that Timmy pi$$ed the bed again...

-Ok Timmy, I'll be there in a minute. Right now your grandfather Cletus is helping mommy take off her blouse.

Grandpappy, ain't it time you picked up those little retarded boys? (Mommy wipes subtance off her face)

About 45 minutes later...

SkinsRealist and Jack, I'm running late please wait outside I'll be there to pick you up in a few minutes

Posted by: Short Bus Driver | October 16, 2007 03:21 PM

meant "perfect 2/20 hindsight", but alas I am not perfect like Jack

Rabach is one tough dude.

3rd time the charm "perfect 20/20 hindsight".
I know i'm new, but I'll do your guys ITA thing from now on

Former Giant & Redskin Tim Hasselback just signed with the Cards to back up Rattay.

My apoligies if this was already posted.

Coat!
Why not pick up Trent Green as your QB while you're at it and rename your team the Stingers?

Redcoat, sorry read the 4th/5th & 6th on pro football talk, but I wouldn't have given a second for him. That's a great deal for you guys. I still say a starting olineman could be had for second day picks (like Kendall) and we should do that. But everyone on here is smarter than me and is happy with our lack of a running game and no depth.

This team has a shot at a legit run in the playoffs, but not if we can't run the ball or protect our great young QB. I'm sorry, you make a move if you can and you call everyone in the league to find it. I just think we are wasting shot in a weak NFC and I would hate to see JC get shell shocked like Ramsey did because we can't block anybody.

***fantasy post***
(see above)

I dropped Trent when he got crocked, but you know that's not a bad idea...

Wow I thought I was bitter. You guys are way more bitter and way more funny that I am. Ok let's all make friends.

Nate,

I don't it's a no-no if the post is sattirical (sp?)

late rounders to pick maybe one guy (H.B. Blades) that even makes the team instead of getting an Olineman.

Posted by: Jack | October 16, 2007 03:21 PM

As also pointed out several times, the team had fine depth at offensive line at the beginning of the year. 8 or 9 active, with 1 or 2 on the practice squad. What do you want with your perfect 20/20 vision, 12 active o-linemen coming out of the pre-season?

Posted by: abe howard | October 16, 2007 03:27 PM

UMMMMMM, we yeah we did, but we don't now! which is kinda my point, I don't think I said that they should have done anything before Sunday, but now, with Jansen done, Thomas for all intents and purposes done, and Wade dinged, Rabach dinged, Heyer dinged, and them not opening holes anyway yeah I want us to make a trade for a starter.

Nate, five day forecast for Raljohn says ... Sunday is six days away. [Chance of rain Thursday and Friday, should clear up Saturday.]

jm220, welcome back. You have been missed, esp. in the couple/few blog skirmishes (never really rose to the level of blogwars, except for the fake Nate episode) since you've been gone. I was worried that you may have "accidentally" killed the co-worker in the nearby cubicle. I "accidentally" do stuff all the time.

Nate- The individual that is committing identity theft is your boy Skinz.

Anyone has Chris Hansen on speedial, I have an exclusive for him.

Like a petulent child. "I want, I want, I want". How do you know they're not working the phones right now? Because Gibbs said they won't make a trade? Yeah, Jack, like he'll tell the truth on that issue ahead of time.

Rabach will play. Wade will play. And Jack will be Jack

OK:

1. To me we cant blame staff/FO on this OLine ish. The rash of injuries there has been insane. We had decent back-ups, there hurt too! I actually think the dudes we had backing up have played well.....this is a bit of weird luck.

2. Jack do you seriously want a Dolphins linemen (one of worst in the league) no one we get today is helping this week anyway so what is the reason?

3. You can't just always "pick some one up" especially 3, 4 times in a year. Kendall even Demulling and UFA Heyer have all been good pick ups...lightening not gone strike 4, 5 times....

4. Betts don't fit Tampa's scheme my man, he aint a west coast back. Micheal Bennet is better suited, and prolly just straight better.....

5. Trades are a tough deal in the NFL, even if a few get done.

6. I love this "Make it happen" approach you people take. Roster moves are complicated! I would try to explain but then...

7 Captain High Horse Skins Realist would say I have no life.....bub your a SJK-hole....

8. Skinsrealist and Jack. I love how other people are "kool-aid" drinkers if they don't accept your crack (as in vials of...) analysis. You always read everyone as doling out HJs to skins....I dont see that at all, but if we dont agree with your take we must be giving reacharounds to Snyder right.....puleeze

If it could be done, I'm not a GM and I don't know that it could, my entire point is that once again Joe proves his stupidity by saying they aren't even looking to make a move........

How can you not?!!?!?!?!
And how can you say that??!?!?!?!?

Your line is in shambles, at least give the song and dance answer that "we're always looking to improve our roster and if a deal makes sense for this team of course we'll do it" but to say we are not even interested in a deal shows how far Joe has fallen.

Sorry to you regular people blogging here. I'm new to this thing, and should probally not be so rude, but it's hard.

Skinz,

The Not Guy can do it because the tag is a dead give away.

Thou shalt not make false posts using the names of others.

Neither shalt thou needlessly insult the acumen of the weak or feeble minded.

etc, etc

For Review

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/liveonline/delphi/delphirules.htm

Chris Larry, people don't have to agree with me, I'm used to them not, but attacking me for being critical of this team is what pisses me off. And your absolutely right, Kendall, Demulling, Heyer, were great moves. But we still need help! we're hurt and thin, a move for another lineman makes complete sense if its available and I don't know that they're not trying, but Joe seems to be a man of his word and when he is trying to hide something he is cryptic and vague, he doesn't say one thing and do another. So you have to believe him when he says they are looking to make a move and I just think that is ridiculous to say. You should be knocking on every door to see what's there and at what price.

"... Neither shalt thou needlessly insult the acumen of the weak or feeble minded. ..."

Posted by: Stumped | October 16, 2007 03:39 PM

As a weak/feeble mindeder myself, not sure about what the A word means. Is that one of the new 2008 models from Chrysler?

Thank you for the comic relief today guys and gals. First and last post of the day. Good evening.

Thank you for the comic relief today guys and gals. First and last post of the day. Good evening.

Sorry that was supposed to be believe him when he says he's not looking to make a move.

lmgo

" ... Kendall, Demulling, Heyer, were great moves. But we still need help! we're hurt and thin, ... "

Posted by: Jack | October 16, 2007 03:43 PM

Re: Thomas, Jansen, Rabach, and Heyer, I agree with the first part ("hurt") and disagree on the second part ("thin"), though Heyer's shoulders do seem narrower than his hips.

I am rocking the ipod with my Heavy Metal Parking Lot CD, signed by Chris Cooley. Thank you for getting that for me in a timely fashion, Jason!

Sween,
Dunno. It might be one of those dad-burned furiegn cars.

SIGN HEAVY METAL PARKING LOT!

SIGN HEAVY METAL PARKING LOT!

SIGN HEAVY METAL PARKING LOT!

Nate- The individual that is committing identity theft is your boy Skinz.

Anyone has Chris Hansen on speedial, I have an exclusive for him.

Posted by: SkinsRealist | October 16, 2007 03:36 PM

No I did short bus and one other but I did not do the identity theft. I still dont' see anything wrong with it though but again please don't state your opinions as fact you Booch it's a sign of ignorance and then I'm going to have to come up with a name like Boochoramous.

Actually I'll just ITA you from now on. It's too easy.

Funny x2, Dx5.

BOO on all fake posts! Never, ever post a comment attributed to another regular blog peep's name. It's just flat wrong. Boo!

I'm a little surprised that no one here has come down hard on the REAL culprit for last weekend's Shabingus-by-the-Bay, the equipment manager who forgot the rain cleats (the special "really rainy" ones). That dude is so done.

[I'll get more serious after the gloom lifts and at least one of Rabach/Wade/Heyer is confirmed to start this week. Just not there yet.]

2. Jack do you seriously want a Dolphins linemen (one of worst in the league) no one we get today is helping this week anyway so what is the reason?

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 16, 2007 03:37 PM

Hey cL, did you see that Ronnie Brown is now the leading RB from line of scrimmage? We're getting plenty of points from our offense on both running and passing plays, we just couldn't stop a peewee team on defense!!

But we wouldnp't trade those guys anyway as we drafted most of them this year for the future.

Jack,

Lets say that, Wade plays Sunday, and doesn't have a set back.

Lets also say that Demulling gets the start at guard, and plays well.

Now, lets also say that Rabach plays and doesn't have a setback.

So now we've made a trade for a player, and have no where to play that guy.

Sounds like Duck-Duck-Duckett all over again doesn't it??

For Review

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/liveonline/delphi/delphirules.htm

Posted by: The Regulator | October 16, 2007 03:43 PM

Thank you for that, it is frustrating to try and talk and just be insulted. I've seen a lot crazier things on here (like Priest Holmes becoming our 3rd WR) than what I'm saying but a lot of you people are just mean and unable to logically express disagreement. Chris Larry's post to me in disagreement would be an example of a perfect response and I appreciated it, at least someone could make sense instead of just resort to insults.

Uh, sween... is commenting about Stephon Heyer's womanly hips still funny?

Checking with the judges...

Yep, still funny.

4-3 here we come

Jack,

Lets say that, Wade plays Sunday, and doesn't have a set back.

Lets also say that Demulling gets the start at guard, and plays well.

Now, lets also say that Rabach plays and doesn't have a setback.

So now we've made a trade for a player, and have no where to play that guy.

Sounds like Duck-Duck-Duckett all over again doesn't it??

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | October 16, 2007 03:50 PM

Excellent post! your right, if all that happens it wouldn't be a great move, but it all depends on the price. I like you much better when your not sarcastic.

Skinz,
It's identity theft.
(No problem with that?)

Ooops, I'm very sarcastic too, I flag myself!

The insults and fake posts and just the lack of intelligent conversation is what is the worst!

Again it's not really Identity theft because no reasonable person would....never mind COSkins fan would understand....

Like I said, that wasn't me period point blank.

the lack of intelligent conversation is what is the worst!

Posted by: Jack | October 16, 2007 03:55 PM

Good call redcoat, it was a 2nd. High price, but it is a guy Norv coached so he can come right in and play.

Do you guys notice that you go to sites and they are selling Skins gear. I just went onto a British newspaper's site and there was a banner to buy skins gear.

Computer Geeks (I say that with affection) Are they tracking the origination to the area (I.E. Washington, DC) or what?

the lack of intelligent conversation is what is the worst!

Posted by: Jack | October 16, 2007 03:55 PM

Posted by: Pot meet Kettle | October 16, 2007 03:56 PM

Opinions about what should be done by our team isn't a measure of intelligence it is simply opinions and until done nobody can say who is wrong or right. But being unable to have a conversation with other fans even if you disagree with them without presenting any legit points and just insulting them is a lack of intelligence. While I have said plenty of things that may or may not be right, and should or shouldn't be done, I don't start saying people are retards if I disagree with them.

I just heard on 980 that the Skins have signed 2 (count 'em!!) O linemen to the practice squad (can't recall their names but one was with Saunders in KC) and have released Letofu (Shocker :)

Amen, Abe Howard! We were well stocked with O linemen. Has any team EVER lost 3-4 O lineman in a year - let alone one game? That is something no team would ever anticipate.

2 OL signed to practice squad.

Lefotu released. Way to blow your big chance, Kili!

Jack,

What I'm trying to say is that none of these injuries warrents putting any of these guys on IR. Making a trade for a "starting" offensive lineman, is going to take a first day pick of some variety. So what you're proposing is trading a first day pick, for someone who might not even have a starting job??

Thats what EACH OF US, has been railing against the FO for doing in the past. We don't want to get back in that habit.

I forgot to sign my name at 4:03pm. Still getting the hang of this post on the blog thing.

Lisa, I'm interested to hear who we picked up... but I pray we don't see either of them on the field Sunday!

Please, please, please let this be the end of the ridiculous spate of O line injuries. Through week six we've already had a full season's worth. We need the line to be relatively stable so we can get the whole O working against the Cards...

It is Calvin Armstrong and Kevin Sampson who were signed on practice squad.

Computer Geeks (I say that with affection) Are they tracking the origination to the area (I.E. Washington, DC) or what?
101010101010101010101010110

Yes.

Yay! New O-linemen ... now to get them through Bugel school ASAP. [Did they elevate that guy from the practice squad who was in The Goonies movie?]

Nate, don't get me wrong, I love Heyer now. And I'm not like those faint praisers who say "someday" he's gonna be great, I'm there right now. Who cares about "someday" anyway? Not this hamster, that's for sure, I want glory now ... and I DESERVE IT! [Also, I don't think Heyer has narrow shoulders, just large ... massive ... hips. And I don't need a beauty pageant queen on the O-line ... the O-line has plenty of maps, such as.]

Greg, I've never said trade a 1st day pick! I've said Betts, which apparently everyone thinks is impossible (not a capoligist so fine) or package a couple 2nd day picks. I don't know that would get it done, but with the recent history of what 4th and 5th rounders can get you I would think somebody might be a taker. Again, Gibbs is a man of his word, he has never done something he has publicly said he wouldn't and for him to say they have no interest in any moves is ludicrous, how can he say that? Again, at least give the "if it makes sense" or the "we're exploring our options" lines, I just think its silly to not even try when there are a lot of teams and a lot of needs out there and we can make a run in the NFC. It's just another example of this coaching staff's stubbornness hurting the team. Anyway, its 4:12 PM EST so this is meaningless now.

skinz- i don't even live in dc and i get that stuff. i can barely turn on my cpu, but there has to be something to it. damn those computer geeks are smart!

I'm with Beantown Greg. No more draft picks surrendered. This is like having bad CC debt and continuing to borrow to pay off the debt.

It's time to face the piper. If that means we don't make the playoffs this year so be it. Giving up draft picks to fill spots is exactly the reason we don't have the depth to step in.

This guy ...

http://www.redskins.com/team/profile.jsp?id=4101

dc, hahahhahhaa, that guy was born to be an Olineman plain and simple.

Although if they signed the 2 on the practice squad they should probally have to release one more with Lefotu because they already had the maximum of 8 on there.

Thanks for the answer Binary

We need a new weight training coach for the O-line specifically. I told them I'd do it for a minimal up-front fee backloaded with broken promises and such. I did wear my purty shoes...we'll see...

Skinz, now you're sounding like Cam Cameron ... trade talent, take our lumps now, save for later. Your actions are NOT consistent with the behavior of the typical RI blogger ... we want it NOW!

Okay,
So who on our schedule has a DL that will eat our OL alive?

The Pats have a pretty good defense, the Cowboys have some good rushers, the Giants, Philly, Chicago.

ESPN Power Rankings:

"The Patriots have played 360 minutes of football this season -- and have trailed for just 18 of those minutes. New England gets the first of its three bye weeks this season when it plays at Miami on Sunday."

Sorry RC I had to post it. That's just mean...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/powerranking?season=2007&week=7

Abe Howard, if I remember correctly, they released two players from the practice squad awhile back and signed another player - not 2. I could be wrong though.

Last word on how ridiculous it would be to trade Betts (which would NEVER happen anyway because Gibbs LOVES him) - what if CP went down...then we have...what? Mason off the practice squad...Rock as a backup...and Sellers occasionally? That makes no sense out all. They would have to go "duckett" hunting again.

I am really shocked at all the attention the o-line is getting today and probably will for the rest of the week. I cannot remember when there was this much interest. Granted, I can't remember losing half of the remaining starting linement in one game either. I think our line will do better than most are fearing. I see some extra help coming in the form of keeping Cooley on blocking assignments and Sellers blowing up would-be blitzers. With all the pub the Redskins' line is getting and the what-do-we-have-to-lose attitude of the Arizona Bidwells, watch for the 'Cards to put 8 in the box on first downs or bring the house on third and short. remeber the naked bootleg that Joe Theisman used to run? I predict something from page 699 of Big Al's playbook coming this week.

We had a "Duckett" before Duckett even got here. His name is Mike Sellers. I myself would love to see a RB depth chart starting with Betts, Sellers then Cartwright. I know that might not be a popular lineup, but I am just tired of Clinton Portis ripping off one 8-yard run then heading to the bench for a breather. I guess that's why some guys actually participate in camp. Maybe it's just me.

The team website now has the story. It says they signed the 2 linemen and cut Lefotu and fullback Brian Bell. Hopefully none of them need to dress this Sunday.

I wouldn't say the typical RI ThRedSkin is a 'want it now' type... I think they're 'want it done' types, though.

It does all seem to come back to 0-line though - I mean, if sammy morris can become a servicable back... geez.

Did you see the Cowpatties rush 6 and STILL not get to Brady? That's a frekkin' O-Line!... hmm... Gibbs type foobaw workin in the NFL?... whodathunki?

Here's an interesting side note to Hasselbeck signing. Cards released defensive end Quentin Moses to make room for Hasselbeck on the roster. I know that everyone is now focused upon mending the OL (and for a good reason), but should they consider signing a 23 year old defensive end from Georgia, who was the first pick in the third round of last years' draft? He was released twice this year, but perphaps they could sign him as a long-term project for a DE position that they could get without surrendering any draft picks? It might be a low-cost, high-risk gamble, but also with high reward potential.

Angela Lansbury and Betty White. That's some high quality girl on girl action.

Quenton Moses. Can be summed in in this statement.

"He was released twice this year".

No thanks...

Dear Jack,

Given the current rate of attrition (by injury) of offensive lineman in the NFL, no team is going to trade away a starting O-Lineman. My bet is that most teams would not even consider trading away a back-up O-Lineman. (The only reason Kendall was available - in training camp - is because he was in a long-term dispute with Jets' management over money.)

I totally agree with you that the Redskins need to find healthy bodies for the O-Line. Unfortunately, the most likely source for said healthy bodies at this time of the year is on the waiver wire.

So there are now three O-linemen on the practice squad (one added, one retained, one swapped). Any of these three likely to be elevated to the actual team roster, such as?

On the NFL site, in the stat menu, the Arizona offense seems similar to the Skins offense. On some stats, they're better, on some, the Skins are better. Both teams are in the middle of the NFC. [They have a better kicker, Skins have a better punter, last week notwithstanding.] The big big difference is in defenses. It kind of snuck up on me on how highly ranked the Skins' D is in the NFC. In several categories, the Skins are #1 (really good against the pass, against the rush, against the reception, points scored, points allowed, but not so good in interceptions or sacks or tackles). Arizona's D is consistently in the middle.

sween- Warm bodies for practice while the big boys heal up. Won't be surprised if one is activated prior to game time though, just in case. (And let's hope 'just in case' remains just that).

When a team has an outstanding offense, they get fewer tackles because the opponent's offense is on the field less often. (Lower time of possession translates to fewer plays.)

5:15pm, good point. I'd love to see the "time of possession" stats. That seems like the better way to manage guys like Brady (or Kitna or Favre), rather than rushing 5-6-7 guys.

I didn't mean to suggest the Skins had an "outstanding" offense, just one that can maintain time of possession (one first down at a time).

CORKCZAR, don't tell me Betts won't get better than a 6th rounder because then you are fooling yourself. Betts is the best back we have. Portis is done. If Joe puts Betts in and stops acting like the old fool that he is, we would win more games.++++---JACK

YOU make the trade then, Mrs. Betts. Go ahead, I triple dog dare you, you self-hating boob. Find anyone, even a kindergartener who would give up anything higher for Betts.

WHY do I call you self-hating? Check my NEXT POST.

The thing I don't like about this Cardinals game is not so much playing the Cardinals, its more about playing the former brains of the Super Bowl Steelers offense with Edgerin James. Also, Grimm playing under Joe Bugel, right? That's not so good. That translates into Joe Bugel updated, beta test version.

sween- To me it's the "playing the Cardinals" thing that worries me most.

Quenton Moses. Can be summed in in this statement.

"He was released twice this year".

No thanks...

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | October 16, 2007 04:53 PM

Boston Greg, it is not unusual for young players to be released on multiple occasions. Mike Sellers, for example, played for Edmonton Eskimos, Washington Redskins, Cleveland Browns, Winnipeg Blue Bombers, Washington Redskins again. He is doing pretty well now. Or take their current kicker - Suisham - first cut by Steelers and then released by Cowboys three times! As I stated being released could be a red flag for a player, but I would not assume that a young player can have no future in NFL simply because he was released a couple of time in his first year.

BTW- Is Warner definitely out?

LOUD NOISES

CORK'S DREADED NEXT POST

I also want to point out that CORKCZAR is a jerk who knows nothing about football.

Posted by: Jack | October 16, 2007 03:54 PM

LET ME RETORT:

Oh my how thou hast hurt me to the quick. Imagin that. Being called a "jerk." And by a burdalone pickmote like you! My, such Globalony from one of my inferiors.

You are inficious dizzard, and a clodpate fustilarian. Now, when you are through with your homework, go ask Mommy and Daddy to help you look up the big words.

And get out of my face, or I may REALLY insult you.

You want to discuss, discuss. But if you want to insult people smarter than you--a list waaaay longer than you could even guess, pack a lunch. You are out of your league.

Oh, and have a nice day.

If would be NICE if Leadell had a second good year in a Redskins Uni. But that hue and cry to give away high picks for his services by other teams is just one more thing rattling around in your empty noodle.

Your Pal,

Cork

Maybe, my elbow hurts like all hell right now. :(

4-12, Warner tore ligaments in his non-throwing arm. He might not be out for the season, but there's a fairly great chance he's out this week (esp. if they try to re-attach this week, which kind of makes sense if they want him back his season, or at least not in total pain till he does come back). A QB does have a need for his non-throwing arm, even if its just for flipping the double bird to hometown fans.

Yes, per the Cardinals' Web site, Warner is out, Rattay is in.

Warner out "indefinitely" ...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=50D00404E0D4CB3FD56B7468F24E3A11?id=09000d5d803507f9&template=with-video&confirm=true

... I agree, I would prefer "definitely"

The real question is "Is Boldin playing?" because if they got Fitzy and Boldin going, almost doesn't matter who the QB is, there gonna connect on some routes, especially with a revitalized Edge...

This game will be tough, gonna have to gut check to win, like every week will be.

The Cards have squeezed us a few times in recent years: The Boomer game, Jeff Georges second start after beating Rams on Monday Night......

UMMMMMM, I never made that post you referenced there, haven't been at my computer for over an hour now and never made that post.

Cork, where'd you get that post? Cause it's not on this thread and I haven't even been talking to you.

K well, gone for the day, Cork, take a pill buddy, wasn't me that made that post that isn't on hear so, my guess is you made it up, but I didn't call you a jerk and didn't say you know nothing about football, so not sure when you even jumped on but you weren't talking with me. And if someone is fake posting STOP!!!!!!

Tim Rattay. I think we'll see a healthy dose of Edge in this one.

Kost's been drinking again...

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/afp/20071016/tod-australia-accident-fall-offbeat-37b0eca_1.html

Tighty-whities with black codpiece!

Ahhhhh, just went back to the old thread, and found it, Cork that was a fake post man, swear, I didn't make it. To whoever is fake posting that's not cool, I take enough abuse on here don't need anybody's help!

Whoever is fake posting stop!!!!! I'm leaving for the day so anything after this that is posted in my name till tomorrow is fake!

Sorry Cork, it wasn't me!

so ratatouille is play QB huh? hmmmmmmmmmmmm honestly it really doesn't matter who's playing for the other team it could be a mouse at this point. this team has shown that they can stop anyone and everyone. "it's the offense stupid"!

Sorry Jack... but I disagree... these shouldn't be major injuries... if we can get by this week with pucillo, demulling and fabini on the right side and be back with rabach, fabini, wade against the pats... it doesn't warrant a giving up a pick for a short term fix...

I think we all agree that we need as many picks as possible... yah 5th, 6th and 7th rounders are iffy, but you never know unless you have them to use... I'm not saying we don't entertain and good possibilities, but this team needs to start thinking more long term the Short term method has gotten us know where in how many years?????

Let's trust JG to determine how critical are depth is...

I'm out...

i have a suggestion...instead of posting "first" why not post the link to the RI wiki on every thread? it would help a great deal!

who the fck is edge?

Edge = Edgerin James, the Cards RB

Pick up a girl, go back to her place, and see this above the bed. "Uh, I'll be on top."

http://www.core77.com/blog/object_culture/bedmounted_shotguns_7779.asp

Skylarking? The Australians have a word for building a wooden plank bridge from one high rise to another?

I know we've committed big $$$ to CP/LB and that LaRon Landry is a stud...but does anyone else regret not having the foresight to draft Adrain Peterson. That kid is going to be absolutely fun to watch fo the next 6-9 years.

I don't like playing the Cardinals (there is a huge downside on a loss, they've sucked for so long. What does that say about your team?).

BUT! I'll take our D against anyone.

Edge is my main man

Sportsnet reported that Rabach plans to play...please Sweet Jesus let that be true!

Dchandl3, it is too early to judge. As great as Peterson has been, Landry has also been great. Plus who knows if Peterson would have had the same success by running behind Fabini. Steve Hutchinson is one of the best run blocking guards in the NFL - he is the guy who opened up huge holes for Steven Alexander during his monster season a couple years ago and what has Alexander done since Hutchinson left? I am not suggesting that Peterson would have failed with Redskins, but running behind our makeshift offensive line would have been much tougher.

Did you all hear Cowboys Patrick Crayton's remarks about the Patriots? Crayton said "IF the Patriots make it to AZ (the Super Bowl) we will see them again."

What an idiot....

ohh that edge...he's a has been!

who in the world is going to watch the indians and rockies series? that's going to be the worst rated series ever.

amen, Lisa.
Let me hear you say AMEN hamsters!

M,
You're on target, I think.

If we had our starting O Line healthy from day one...We would have beat the Giants, right? And Green Bay, right?

Clinton and Betts would both have big numbers.

Our record would be...(can't say it).

I know thats a lot of IFs, but it's not too farfetched, no?

I hope a lot of you work from home or have a friend in the network group over in IT.

LOL

Duke is playing VT tough, might an upset in the making. VT only leading 13-7

spoke too soon kenny lewis just scored

lol

Jason La Cantreporta writes "If this offensive line has to enter coming weeks with anything close to the unit that closed out this game, though, then I don't want to hear anyone bash this kid no matter what his numbers look like."

It's funny how this idiot reporter will criticize anything and everything about the Redskins, but will stand up for the guys he likes. He hates Gibbs and the coaches and has no respect for any of them, and his reporting reflects that. He loves Campbell and his reporting reflects that as well.

What is most comical, is that he will defend Campbell for the very same reasons he is attacking the rest of the team (injuries to the O-line). He gives Campbell a pass because, he says, of the injuries to the O-lineman. But he will not give a pass to the rest of the offense, even though they are the ones dealing with the injuries as well.

Bottom line, La Cantreporta is done covering this team after this season (and hopefully gone from this town after this season as well).

Posted by: Fire the beat reporter already! | October 16, 2007 11:48 AM

100% agree. Get rid of La Canfora PLEASE. He is the lousiest reporter I can ever recall covering the Skins. He thinks he always has to give his opinion, but the problem is his opinions are simply ridiculous most of the time.

Bring back Mark Maske PLEASE!

just a wild guess, but I bet you VA Tech wins 43-14

Kost's been drinking again...

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/afp/20071016/tod-australia-accident-fall-offbeat-37b0eca_1.html

Posted by: 4-12 | October 16, 2007 06:02 PM

Saw this on the news last night, had a feeling you'd be posting it! haha

Jack,

I'm a little late catching up, but I agree with Greg from Boston. Trading for a 1st day pick for an olineman could be a Duckett situation all over again.

They need to make due with what they have.

How's everyone ....been awhile....tuff one to take sunday, the old snatched defeat from the jaws of victory....Just a case of a team trying to take the next step...the way this league is now (esp nfc) its all right in front of us if we can learn to finish....in order for that to happen we have to have our "differernce makers" make a play some where in the game to keep the momentum from changing to the other side... that play could be a third down pass/ run/ catch that keeps a drive alive or it could be an obvious big play...point is to make a play ,and have it be made by one of the leaders of your team .....all good teams consistently have play makers who step up....to get to the top level we need this..

anon - Skylarking is basically just acting the fool. Thought it would be a term used over there, guess not.

Stumped, even with all the "ifs," this is not far fetched at all. In fact, Fox Sports had a good assessment in their power rankings this morning of what happened and what could have happened this season and I quote:

Tough loss for the Redskins on Sunday, as Washington had more yards, more first downs and five more minutes of possession than the Packers in a 17-14 loss at Lambeau. Washington's D put the clamps on the Packers' high-powered offense. The 'Skins picked Favre off twice, sacked the ageless quarterback three times and held the running backs to just 56 yards on the ground. But it wasn't enough in the end. Washington's two losses -- against the Packers and the Giants in Week 3 -- were both games the Redskins could have won. At 3-2, they're in the hunt. But they're truly just a few plays away from being 5-0.

Jack,

We respect your opinion, but my opinion is that you are not smart and should not be a GM...even on Madden.

Here are my reasons...
1) It will take at least 2 weeks for even an all pro O-lineman to get the offense.
2) We need receivers to catch the balls and running backs to hold onto the ball.
3) The O-line did not lose that game.
4) None of our depth lineman have season ending injuries.
5) Betts will leave Washington and rush for 1,500 yards while Portis will be a shell of his 2005 self. Portis is a baller but his preseason was mishandled

Hey Jack...

Maybe Anthony Munoz is available. Let's cut Samuels to create a roster spot for him.

While I agree we have problems on the O-Line at the moment, I don't think a trade is the answer.

In my opinion, a trade now, would be short term gain, for long term pain.

Does anyone have any idea if JLC is skating on thin ice with the Post?

Seems like the public feuds (i.e. w/ gibbs, dan stein) are not reflecting very well, his penchant for starting controversies and such aren't how a journalist wants to disguish himself, etc...

Is he really toast at the Post after this season?

kost, the nice thing about the Aussie Press is that -- when they need a picture to go along with the story -- are unafraid to have Superintendent Harry "Snapper" Organs holding up the underwear in question.

Thank goodness he held it skidmark-side away.

Does anyone have any idea if JLC is skating on thin ice with the Post?

Seems like the public feuds (i.e. w/ gibbs, dan stein) are not reflecting very well, his penchant for starting controversies and such aren't how a journalist wants to disguish himself, etc...

Is he really toast at the Post after this season?

Posted by: Jimbo | October 16, 2007 09:20 PM

Shut the hell up... please?

cload - I reckon after a fall like that, they had to be washed before the photo!

I imagine you're right... unless the Super decided to model his own.

that might explain the smile on his face.

beep beep

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