Does anyone have any doubt at this point that Dan Snyder gets a do-over on his team ownership? Can't remember who it was who pointed this out earlier this week, but the guy is a lifelong fan. If he's made a few mistakes personnel or management-wise, you've got to give it to him that he has completely been a good team owner. As someone else put it more eloquently than I could, he has a blank slate with me now.

Thank you, Chainsaw Dan. May you forevermore have bragging rights against Jerry Jones.

Hey, NickSC, for what it's worth I pinged you back at the end of the 'New Tidbit' thread... and two new threads were up before I got it posted. So you may not have seen it.

Agree with NickSX, but this is just plain shocking and depressing.

Before you go too far with the Snyder love, you might want to check out the Wiki.

http://redskinsinsiders.wetpaint.com/page/Mr.+Snyder%3A++A+Balanced%2C+Redskin+Insider+Assessment

Remember there were 28 strikes against him. Stuff like $8 beer, $35 parking, obstructed view seats, Vinnie Cerrato, etc.

Now, with the first rate way he's handled Sean's murder, there are two positive things that anyone's said about him.

Not saying he doesn't deserve a clean slate, just remember what was on the dirty one before you cleaned it.

Snyder added:

"Wilbon, your press pass has been permanently revoked."

Nick, I appreciate where you're coming from, but I can't help thinking that, despite this period of respectful conduct and general goodwill in the wake of Sean's shooting, within a few weeks it will be business as usual among fans and followers of the blog, replete with Snyder bashing, Gibbs bashing, J-La bashing, and bouts of mean-spirited infighting. And who knows how welcome that return to 'normalcy' will be...

I have a lot of respect for Daniel Snyder. More now than before.

His positives here far outweigh $8 beer. Besides, it's not like owning and running a team is easy. There are plenty of owners who do it worse than him.

i4abuy, who gives a rat's ass about that NOW? Why bring that up?????

On another note: what do you have to say now Michael Wilbon????

F U Wilbon

Do us all a favor and dis-associate yourself fom the city of Washington.

Jason,

I sincerely hope you will also bring up the fact that the people now on trial are the MEDIA, specifically the columnists that immediatelly assumed that sean taylor was some disgusting thug that got what was coming to him. we fans who had been following his career closely were outraged by that commentary because we knew he had settled down from his early immaturity. but it didnt help. the media, especially the washington post, did nothing but fill each and every sean taylor article with the same filler material: uniform violations, late hits, spitting, hitting a defenseless punter, dui (never proven he was drunk that night), brandishing a gun (he never admitted to having a gun), etc. etc.

so i ask, all these questions you want to ask about the improbably circumstances surrounding his death, are they less or more important than the way the media pigeonholes certain individuals and refuses to let anybody think they were actually decent people?

JLC and Cindy. It has been writen before but I want to echo what everybody has said about your work. Amazing! Senseless violence in this country is just out of control. This incident and a murder of a 15 year old by kids younger than him during a botched robbery has really gotten to me. I just don't know what to do.

We still know very little at the moment, but it seems we will know a lot soon. So many rumors and tidbits. But there was never going to be an ending to this that made any sense. My heart goes out to those that care about Sean Taylor and his loved ones.

And my respect to the Redskins who have handled this as well as it could be. For all the criticism in the weeks before this, there is something special about this team.

As the first act of contrition, Wilbon should make a sizeable contribution to the fund for Sean's daughter.

Then, after removing his foot from his mouth, he should leave town and take his sad, tired act somewhere else to a readership that thinks he's insightful, hip and has his finger on the pulse of urban America.

I think he just lost a lot of credibility with the very people he used to speak to.

Lisa, you're my president.

As for Chainsaw Danny, you have to allow that he has had some growing pains as an owner, but he has stepped up huge in the last four days. I mean, come on, half a mill for a player's daughter? Voluntarily? As in no contractual duty? Not the Gordon Gekko type that most here--including me--would have cast him as even a week ago.

He doesn't get anything like a pass for life but Chainsaw Dan has been striding WAY ahead of Facelift Jerry this week for sure.

You have a new fan here, Danny.

Danny has handled this situation with class, you really have to hand it to him.
I wouldn't be surprised if this experience has a lasting impact on him. A tragedy like this really puts things in perspective.

Football is a business, but the Redskins are like family to many in the community.

I'm more angry at Shapiro, to be honest. Wilbon was doing an off-the-cuff chat before he had a chance to reserach things. Granted, he said some really incendiary things, things that indicated he knew NOTHING about the type of person sean taylor was. but at least he seemed to look into things a little bit in future days... but he STILL clearly was EXTREMELY WILLING to believe, it seems WANTED to believe, that this was ST's fault. that he brought it on himself.

Leaonard Shapiro is like that but in a much slimier, sicker way. His whole attitude was basically: this punk kid doesnt talk to us? and on top of that, look at his rap sheet! uniform violations, tha u, dui, atv, blah blah blah. i mean, i've never seen such narrow-minded pigishness. this was literally 1 hour after the thing happened and he said "whatever. he's dead. he was a bad dude anyway." sickening. disgusting. and the way he made sure to tack on wilbon's chat comments? implicitly racist.

WashPost must do the right thing and publicly suspend Wilbon and Shapiro. Regardless of free speech, their columns were both irresponsile, lazy, and grossly inaccurate. Please listen to your readers.

Kind of eerie, but here's some insight into what kind of kids we're dealing with. I found the myspace website of one of the suspects (Eric Rivera). You can clearly see, comparing the pictures between the mug shot at the Miami Herald's website and this deadbeat's myspace site, that this is him.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=54829123

It's a damn shame that a guy as talented, respected, and loved as Sean Taylor was/is, was taken from us from one of these bottom feeders. It's clear these kids had the collective brain power of a pigeon and couldn't have planned any of this. But at the same time this hallmarks what a decision from some dolt on the street can do. I don't know what else to say other than that Sean will be dearly missed by all of us.

Amen. I didn't mean to give Shapiro a pass. I singled out Wilbon because he was first with the ignorance. When I read Shapiro's column, my first thought was that he was trying to support Wilbon against what he knew would be a vicious backlash.

Shapiro should make a large contribution as well.

The irony about the coverage of Sean Taylor's death is that it has taught us far more about the people who cover the Redskins than it did about Taylor.

Just found your comment in the Tidbit thread, Nate. Totally understood. Have to admit I'm being a bit greedy for posts from those I've learned to value on this blog. For whatever reason it's been comforting. Hope I don't sound too lame here, but thanks to you, cL, jm220, 4th, kost, diddy, redcoat and the others too many to list who make this such a "value-added" space.

Ironically enough, maste_t, one of this guy's friends on his myspace page uses Sean as his avatar. It's down near the bottom on the link you posted.

I saw that too. I hope these kids get sent to Shawshank and experience 100 years of punishment from the Sisters. But no, definitely not this lowlife's friend.

You'll also notice on the myspace page that his #1 friend is "CDub" - Charles Wardlow, another suspect.

Here are pages for 3 of the arrested:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=105813923
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=54829123
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=251964564

Two of them have multiple pictures of them holding major amounts of cash - handfuls of $100 bills.

Oh and i4abuy are you really comparing the magnitude of Dan Synder's handling of Sean Taylor's murder to $8 beers??

itll be curious to see if that dudes myspace gets bombarded with negative feedback in the next few days. makes me almost want to sign up for myspace just to let that guy know i think he's a piece of shti.

Good find HD. Lets hope our Skins fans that are locked up take care of these cupcakes.

Already done McPoop. I spoke on behalf of Redskins nation.

Sad, sad, sad. Everybodies problem with the Wilbon and Shapiro editorials was that they jumped to conclusions. The facts will come out and it looks like Sean was a good guy after all. Of course this does not help anything or bring Sean back. I am sicked that I feel relieved that Sean died as a random victim. Wilbon and Shapiros articles were absolutely irresponsible. They did not wait until the facts of the case came out and this is their punishment. Sean's name has been pulled through the mud for the past week and now it looks like he is redeemed. Now rest in peace # 21. We will always cherish your time with us.

What a mess ! ..but Danny lives another day..JLC & Cindy rule ! Miami is a F'ing cesspool as everyone knows and..21 is gone.....As Pedro said.. let's just run the table..forget about what dick-head jounalist assumed what and when and who said what first or second or when...it won't change this tragedy ....Hail for Sean ..RUN IT OUT !

Please, someone at the Washington Post, listen to the outrage of your readers. Wilbon and Shapiro's articles/comments were irresponsible, tasteless, and offensive. I hope that they are publicly reprimanded. I know that I personally will not read or watch anything by Michael Wilbon until he apologizes. How these "journalists" could smear a man without any facts before his body is even cold is beyond my comprehension, and should be below the standards of the Washington Post.

$8 for beer... That's his business. If you don't like it don't buy it. Bring a water with you or stay home drink you own beer and wacth the game.

Man, hope this case some closure, but probably not anytime soon.

Also, I'm not sure it's appropriate for Wilbon and Shapiro to apologize for their beliefs. They never claimed that this wasn't a tragedy. Wilbon claimed that he would be more surprised if this was
Shawn Springs than Sean Taylor. That is a fact. Statistically speaking, we expect Taylor to meet violence more than say, Springs, by virtue of who he hangs around with.

However, perhaps what Wilbon should apologize for is that he was very callous
in the chat soon after we found out about the Taylor shootings; imo, he should have been much more sympathetic instead of adopting a "holier than thou" attitude. For example, what if one of his family members (perhaps a younger brother) died and it was stated immediately after that it's really not surprising since the statistically black young males have a higher probability of dying than their white male counterparts. not empathetic

NickSC, thanks for your kind words, I hope you stick around once (eventually) we get back to debating the virtues of the second string long snapper!

The sad thing is the that the larger statements Wilbon and Whitlock speak about are still true....just not about Sean Taylor, but the cultures that produced the perps....

Wilbon and Shapiro will not apologize to anyone...Becuase they got no brain.

AFter hearing the latest news about the arrests, I thought I was gonna be one of the first to call for Wilbon's dismissal from the Post. Looks like everyone on here had the same thought.

If the Washington Post had any class or any dignity left, they'd dismiss Mike Wilbon Monday morning. Unfortunately, as many of us are well aware, the Washington Post has zero class and zero dignity and will stand by Mike Wilbon through thick and thin.

Actually, the fact that the Post has not 1 but 2 of their most seasoned columnists in hot water will make them dig their heels in even more. Wilbon and Shapiro won't even get a slap on the wrist. I guarantee it.

But this former fan of both them is done. I ask every reader on here to bombard the Wilbon chat on Monday (or tuesday or whatever day it is from now on) with questions about his integrity, his judgement, and most importantly, his dignity. He has none of the above as far as I'm concerned.

I have read and re-read the Wilbon and Shapiro words which have been so reviled up here, and I just can't muster up anything approaching the righteous indignation so many people are expressing.

I agree wholeheartedly that their first published comments seem grossly insensitive, and that Shapiro got on fuzzy factual ground in his first column on this.

But the main problem I have is that their initial takes were so uninteresting; neither one provoked or challenged me or presented an interesting perspective or analysis on this awful news (the shooting and then Sean's death).

I expect much better from these veteran scribes. I want to have my mind opened at least a little bit, especially when dealing with a story like this for which there is no precedent. Not outraged, just disappointed.

In the vein of giving credit where credit is due, I have to say that Mike Wise has been doing incredible work this week. It has taken me a long time to warm to Wise, and I have to admit I'm still a little hung up on that egregious smirk in the head shot which accompanies his columns, but by golly he is a credit to this paper.

You're right, I have a much bigger problem with Wilbon's chat than I do with his article. I don't think his comments were as simple as being statistical observations. Here are some direct quotes: "Taylor grew up in a violent world, embraced it, claimed it, loved to run in it and refused to divorce himself from it." Where is any of that coming from? When someone asks why Wilbon would say that given that everything coming out of Redskins park was about how Taylor was on the straight and narrow, Wilbon bizarrely gives a non-answer: "Sorry, but I'm not in the habit of having companies with their own public relations agenda tell me about black men and what they feel or don't feel. Pardon me if I'm not that easy." I'm sorry, is he dissing the Redskins for saying that this young black man was doing good?! Later in the chat, in response to someone expressing shock at the tragedy, Wilbon responds "Again, I'm not the least bit surprised about the Taylor episode ... why would I be considering his history, even since he joined the Redskins?". All of these comments serve to create an impression that Sean Taylor lived a lifestyle that brought violence upon himself. That he was in some way responsible. All of this was written by Wilbon without a shred of evidence. All of this was written when all we knew for certain is that the man died trying to protect his child and his girlfriend. All of this was written as Sean Taylor lied dying in his hospital bed. How can we not be outraged by this? How can we not demand apology?

Last week Mike Wilbon was asked on his chat where to send something to him where he will personally receive it. This is the address Wilbon provided: Atlantic Video at 650 Mass. AVE NW, D.C. 20001

I urge everyone on here to send Wilbon a note to let him know how you feel about his judging Sean Taylor the day he was shot.

Again here is the address to send to Mike Wilbon: Atlantic Video at 650 Mass. AVE NW, D.C. 20001

Agreed Nate, I also just can't focus my emotions on writers who are paid to have controversial ideas. Just seems like wasted energy to me.

Barno, I respect where you and others are coming from, man, but I just don't see what justificaton or motivation WashPo would have for any sort of disciplinary action against Wilbon or Shapiro.

I think their questionable judgment in the immediate wake of Sean's shooting and death looks incredibly bad to us as fans, right now, hence all these cries for some form of rebuke. But I don't believe anything I read or saw from them broke any written or unwritten rules of conduct of professional pundits in our society.

[I also think you're never going to see that DVD signed by Cooley via Jasno, and that you never should have believed you were going to, and that Jasno should have just admitted he was out of his depth (and in the flush of those halcyon early days of the blog) in arranging a contest whose prize depended on a professional athlete's doing something.]

Ouch! Nate, was that Morton's or your favorite grocer's brand?

If you really feel strongly about what Wilbon and or Shapiro said...probably the best place for that would be the powers that be here at the Post and/or ESPN.

Write a consice, to the point, professional letter to their bosses outlining, in an intelligent well thought out manner, your grievances regarding how Shapiro and/or Wilbon handled this matter.

I've sent a few off. Not advocating anyone loosing their jobs....I know I wouldn't have minded a few days ago when I was livid and all sorts of emotional...but they certainly seem to need to be reminded who it is that reads their paper...particularly those articles (The Sports section in a Washington DC newspaper...HELLO! At the very least they take a bit of a readership hit when all the Skins fans stop reading!). If you have a subscription and you feel strong enough about it...tell them in that letter you are canceling....baring some kind of retraction or at the very least apologetic tone in their next "appearance".

I personally could now care less what Wilbon says in his next chat and/or article...I'm already not ever going to read any of his material again. And might suggest that also be another way you express how you really feel about the two of them, if what they and others said bother you as much as it did I.

And of course they are not the only ones. But taking the time to write a brief letter of that nature worded the right way and sent to the right people...can make a bigger impression than just about anything else you can do.

So take the time write a quick letter and send some off, at the very least you may help keep something like this from happening in the future...make them think twice.

Good luck.

I wouldn't advocate the suspensions of Shapiro or Wilbon. I say let the marketplace of ideas play this one out. And this little corner of the Internet is one such venue for the marketplace to go to work.

And I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised by Wilbon's racial tacks in his column about Taylor. He always tries to make race an issue. When I notice one of his columns turning in that direction, I simply stop reading. Most of the time, it's not enlightening, just an outlet for some of his outrage.

The stories about Sean seem to be improving, little by little.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3135111

Oh and a few reminders in the night time lull:

1. http://www.nfl.com/probowl/ballot Vote for Sean

2. If you are going to either of the games in the next week. Get pissed about how this story has been covered, about those punks that did this, as a way to pay respects to Sean.....on all Skins Defensive plays...yell your damn ass off! Imagine your voice is piercing the eardrum of Edwards..Losman [who ever the hell it is..ha]. Do it from huddle to the end of the play. Jump around act like the fool if you have too [bonus: will help keep you warm] to get the people in your section doing the same thing. The whole game! No matter what happens!

2a. Not going to the game? Remind people that you know, who are, that it's their duty. And tell them you will be watching them on the HD ;)

3. This can't be said soon or often enough:
DON'T KICK IT TO HESTER!!!

3a. Do kick it to hester, and hit him so hard he forgets his name, and coughs up the ball...return for TD.

To those demanding Wilbon's head:

Remember that he is a columnist, not a reporter. He gives his slant to events. People can agree or not with him, the more controversial the slant the more attention he draws to himself. The Chat House is really an ego boosting experience for a writer, sort of like a book signing at a store for a published author. Ask him questions and he will divine answers. He is very similar to the wizard in the wizard of Oz. He projects authority and credibility on any subject that he speaks about, whether deserved or not. His slant on the Sean Taylor murder is the first pulling of the curtain away from his booth to reveal that he is just a little man, no more sage than any of us after all. Remember folks that is only us who have given him the mouthpiece from which his words thunder over us.

Regarding Wilbon's comments:
On the Monday PTI, he brazenly and brashly said he was not surprised of what had happened to Sean Taylor.

Wilbon might be a columnist, and he might have a right to express his opinions, but he also has the responsibility as a human being, which trumps the aforementioned privileges.

Michael Wilbon should man-up and look the camera in the eye on Monday's PTI and say I was wrong, and I owe Sean's family an apology.

I would have a new-found respect for him if he would do so.

Anyone can slander another human being, it takes a real courageous person to make public apologies.

What do you say, Michael?

here it is everyone

Listen to Michael Wilbon telling how he really felt

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3128991&categoryId=2957357&n8pe6c=2

The fact that they found them and they are just foolish children brings me no solace. Nor would getting Wilbon fired.

I Have a feeling that Wilbon's ego is far more easily bruised than his bank account would be. Either way Wilbon isn't getting fired for those comments. The Post would be ridiculed.

The fact that they found them and they are just foolish children brings me no solace. Nor would getting Wilbon fired.

I Have a feeling that Wilbon's ego is far more easily bruised than his bank account would be. Either way Wilbon isn't getting fired for those comments. The Post would be ridiculed.

The whole affair is profoundly sad and tragic for all involved.

I do believe Mr. Wilbon has some splaining to do come next week.

Check out Deborah Howell's (The WaPo Ombudsman) column today discussing the Wilbon and Shapiro chat and column:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/30/AR2007113001688.html

I think she completely misses the main point being made by skins fans. It wasn't just "bad timing", as if Wilbon's and Shapiro's comments would've been okay had they been a week after the funeral. The problem is that they both made assumptions that had no basis in fact and it seems have now been proven to be absolutely false. They both assumed that Sean Taylor's past had something to do with the shooting. And it now looks like they were wrong.

The question is, why would they make that assumption. For Wilbon, it's easy to surmise. It's part of his Cosby-like "I'm old school and today's young black athlete is just a gangsta punk" routine. It's another way he gets to utilize his blackness to legitimate his blathering on about stuff he has no clue about.

I suggest lots of letter to WaPo and to Deborah Howell insisting they deal squarely with the issue and not side-step it with this BS about "oh it was bad timing and maybe poor word choice". Come on, what do you think we are, idiots??!!!

Guys - I know you guys are 'super smart' and educated people.

BUT, not everyone who listens to these talking heads are. I don't think you guys are looking at the bigger picture.

No one should be given such a big platform to speak to such a large audience to speak woth such ignorance when the magority of the audience isn't college educated as most of these blog posters and actually get their info from these talking heads. Seriously.

F Wilbon. F Shapiro. F ESPofN.

Like I said yesterday, why are you not suprised? Tonight's Redskins Report was taped before the arrests. I wonder if Wilbon will tone it down or continue to be ignorant...........

One of the guys 'friends' on the myspace page has 'RIP Taylor'. Wonder how he feels now about his 'friend'?

Looking at these myspace pages gives you a glimpse of what's wrong today in the world, especially black youth. Thee is no more innocense. Everybody's a gangster, I mean everyone thinks they are a gangster. They have hoods in Ft. Meyers? I thought that's where old people go when they retired?

One of the guys mowed ST's lawn. Sean gave him an opportunity to earn $$$ the legit way.

On a different note, I think this revelation actually will make it more difficult for the team to pull together.

I'm no psychologist, but it seems that when I was responding to the general "loss of Sean", it was very very sad, but there has an edge of "lets honor his memory" to it.

Now, knowing about these thugs, the edge is much more of anger and just plain sadness at the futility of it all. I mean...this did NOT have to happen, and is just so tragic from many angles.

I wonder if the players are going to have a harder time, both off the field and on, in banding together, now that they have this knowledge.

Ah, good old Redskins Insider, where the only thing lacking is balance. You're either up or down, good or bad, black or white, and never in between: Dan Snyder goes from the most reviled man on the blog to "our new best friend" in the course of a week, and we express more anger toward Wilbon and Shapiro than the four men who killed Sean Taylor.

I disagree hoosthere7.

I think once they get onto the field they will play with more emotion then they ever have this season. For the rest of this season, it's not about a paycheck. It's about having a diversion and dedication......

You also forgot TE. Too many generalizations....

The Myspace is mess up!

From the page
**DONT TRUST ME DONT F*U*C*K WIT ME YA DIG**

Maybe ST should have read his page.

Other tid bit.

'Education high school
income more than 250,000'

Why did I go to college?

I think we should be careful about diagnosing problems of youth or black youth. It is very complicated mixed picture and much of it not new. Just as an example we have had high murder rates for 40 years or more. There is a history of de-humanizing people we (Europeans) needed to exploit (Africans, Indians, Mexicans in the SW). But people as parents and individuals make there own choices as well.

Am I wrong for wishing that these 4 jerk-offs could just be dropped off at Redskins Park and left alone with the team for just 10 minutes! All 4 would never be heard from again! Man, I am really angry about this whole thing.....and hurt too! I still feel like a lost a close friend. I love my Skins more than ever!!!

HAIL!!!

I thought the best-reasoned response to Michael Wilbon's column was in today's letters to the editor:

I almost gagged reading Michael Wilbon's long-winded commentary concerning Sean Taylor.

His reference to "Mainstream folks -- and yes, this is a code word for white folks" was the most insensitive, racist comment I've seen in a publication in quite some time.

According to Wilbon, only "black folks" (his term, not mine) could possibly understand having to evolve beyond bad influences from childhood.

It's a horrible sentiment that demeans both black and white people and completely misses the point.

It's as if Wilbon was saying whatever empathy I have for Taylor and his family isn't valid because I am not black or am too stupid to understand the situation.

It says of black people that they are not in the "mainstream."

I wonder what I should tell my churchgoing black friend who has three children, lives in a wonderful suburban environment, works for the county, has been married to a schoolteacher for the past 25 years, drives a sport-utility vehicle and coaches football? If he isn't "mainstream," who is?

I'd hate to be living in Michael Wilbon's mean-spirited universe. It must be populated by angry, bitter people who lack true compassion.

-- Brian J. Karem

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/30/AR2007113002071_2.html

Even though Chainsaw Danny (I like that one!) is doing a good job in supporting the Skins at this very sad time - I'm beginning to see the cracks.

First of all, ST's gf and little girl would do pretty well financially without Danny's 500K contribution - which will be a tax write-off. That's a huge amount of money for one little girl just to start out with - there are so many other orphan kids or one parent households that could sure use a lot less money to really help things out- a thousand or two each to improve things. He's created a Redskins memorial fund which is more "advertising." It's just too big and flashy. To me, it's just a way for him to show how "generous" he is.

Snyder gets some props no doubt. But seems to me he has more deposits in the karma bank to get to even, and i ain't talkin bout $8 beers...

The huge trust for the daughter, rings weird with me as well. I mean no disrespect by that.

I don't think the $8 beers is a relevant agument v the dan. Every stadium or arena I go to around the country gouges people for beers, dogs, etc.

So far as donating 500k to jackie taylor, why not? The dan has so much scratch, 500k is pocket change. Could the money be better served going to orphans, disabled vets etc, maybe, but we don't know what his philanthropic ventures are. He is trying to help a lil girl that lost her father, and in my opinion deserves nothing but praise for that.

cmecyclist, cl--

Is 500K a lot? If you think of it as an annuity, it would pay the girl $20,000 a year for life. A good head start, but it doesn't put her on easy street.

All you 'Danny Haters' out there...get a life! This past post by speculating that Snyder is looking for publicity during this period is utterly moronic and ignorant dribble.

I think Snyder has done a wonderful job duing this period...in fact, While not perfect, I'm glad Snyder is our owner.

The cynicism that is contrived constantly on this blog is really a joke and shows how many utter and complete morons are out there.

People on this blog that continue to spew hatred and venom suck.

Get a life!

Hello Talent Evaluator,
I agree with you and my posting record will indicate I have cried out for balance regarding issues concerning Joe Gibbs, FO, Dan Snyder.

I have been hard on JC the last two games but I have also stated I know he is the future QB and therefore I was simply saying he choked because I do believe he has choked in the last minutes inside the red zone, but I am still for him.

As for Wilbon, some have said he should be fired, that was not me. I am not asking for that. I am asking that Mike himself, seeing he spoke so confidently, and assertively now come clean and admit his false assumptions.

I agree w/ you TE; balance is needed.
Balance is always found in the truth but not in our emotional opinions that are blind to truth.

Thanks for the reminder TE
HTTR..We miss you Sean

Anyone else feel like the Tampa Bay game was like an eternity ago?

Good morning all. I have so much emotion running through me this morning. I feel worse now knowing that those responsible for Sean death have been caught. Knowing that it was for nothing just makes me sick. Knowing it is another case of black on black crime brings tears to my eyes. As a black man it has me asking. What can I do to reach our young black youth? Maybe that is the reason Allah (God or whatever name you want to call him) took Sean. For us all to ask what can we do to reach the young.

So far as donating 500k to jackie taylor, why not? The dan has so much scratch, 500k is pocket change. Could the money be better served going to orphans, disabled vets etc, maybe, but we don't know what his philanthropic ventures are. He is trying to help a lil girl that lost her father, and in my opinion deserves nothing but praise for that.

Posted by: puttinforbird | December 1, 2007 12:14 PM
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cmecyclist, cl--

Is 500K a lot? If you think of it as an annuity, it would pay the girl $20,000 a year for life. A good head start, but it doesn't put her on easy street.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 1, 2007 12:16 PM
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All you 'Danny Haters' out there...get a life! This past post by speculating that Snyder is looking for publicity during this period is utterly moronic and ignorant dribble.

I think Snyder has done a wonderful job duing this period...in fact, While not perfect, I'm glad Snyder is our owner.

The cynicism that is contrived constantly on this blog is really a joke and shows how many utter and complete morons are out there.

People on this blog that continue to spew hatred and venom suck.

Get a life!

Posted by: seanc | December 1, 2007 12:17 PM
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Well said, well said. I've bashed both Danny and Gibbs 2.0 in the past but are glad that these 2 are heads of the organization to help guide everyone through this tragedy.

It's funny how people get upset about what Wilbon/Shapiro/BSPN say about Taylor during this whole ordeal then turn around and do the same to Snyder for his good deeds (considering we really don't know much about him either). Way to show some compassion.

As a black man it has me asking. What can I do to reach our young black youth? Maybe that is the reason Allah (God or whatever name you want to call him) took Sean. For us all to ask what can we do to reach the young.

Posted by: jm220 | December 1, 2007 12:25 PM
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Not to be a dcik, but couldn't God/Allah/Buddha/whoever relayed his/her feelings that you should reach out to young black youth, WITHOUT taking an innocent life?

Agreed rambleon (my favorite zep song, by the way).
It seems to me like this is the first game of the season. The tampa game got washed away, and everything has changed. I'm begining to think about buffalo and am very interested to see how the skins do down the stretch. I could honestly see the season going either way at this point. Hopefully Pedro's words will stay with them and they honor 21 with their play.

Poopy_McPoop I really don't know. I am just searching for answers.

Here is the myspace page of one of Seans killers... feel free to leave him a message...

http://www.myspace.com/ericriverajr4

JM220 - I am glad that I am not alone that finding the suspects and the reasons behind the murder made me feel worse - I almost burst into tears at my desk yesterday reading the initial reports of the botched robbery and I keep replaying the whole thing in my head.

NateinthePDX,

I appreciate your thoughts. My reasoning for thinking Wilbon deserves to be disciplined is that the media in general claimed there were some tough lessons to be learned from the Duke lacrosse case, that rushing to judgement in such a serious case is unwise and can be dangerous (since the media do in fact help shape public opinion).

But no lessons were learned by Wilbon and Shapiro. None. It's as if the Duke lacrosse case never happened.

p.s. You are definitely right about Jasno never giving me a prize for the silly song contest. (but that won't stop me from harrassing him about it as long as he works at the Post)

ATTENTION ALL:

Sean Taylor's Killers

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=54829123

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=251964564

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=105813923

Even though they'll probably never see their myspace pages again, go ahead and post a message on their pages telling them how you feel about them.

sdff

Should the NFC Pro Bowl team all wear #21 jerseys in honor of Sean this year?

Total cover up in Miami just like all the other run ins with the Law Sean had there! His dad a Chief of police and Sean a Star in college and Both especially The U doesnt want all the things YOU dont know to get out! One example of Many Red flags

Girlfriend Clearly said that the intruder broke down bedroom door and shot Sean, and there were Seans & girlfriends vehicles in driveway or garage So for police to now say intruders were surprised that Sean was home is Complete BULLSHI*!If you leave alarm off for friends then im sure like everybody you leave lights on!!Seans house was(ALLEGEDLY) broken into a week before so ALARM off is very SUSPICIOUS? Dannyboy wants you to focus on this so you dont focus on how bad the team is 5-6 below 500 before this happened!

To the person who wrote this comment:

Even though Chainsaw Danny (I like that one!) is doing a good job in supporting the Skins at this very sad time - I'm beginning to see the cracks.

First of all, ST's gf and little girl would do pretty well financially without Danny's 500K contribution - which will be a tax write-off. That's a huge amount of money for one little girl just to start out with - there are so many other orphan kids or one parent households that could sure use a lot less money to really help things out- a thousand or two each to improve things. He's created a Redskins memorial fund which is more "advertising." It's just too big and flashy. To me, it's just a way for him to show how "generous" he is.

Posted by: cmecyclist | December 1, 2007 11:10 AM

Imbecile, I suppose people should never give to charity. I mean, they are only giving to show how generous they are, right? It's stunning to see the level of stupidity by some on here. Dan Snyder contributed $1,000,000 to the victims of 9/11. Did you know that? I guess he didn't do a very good job "advertising" how generous he was.

What an utter moron to bash Snyder for donating half a million dollars to Taylor's daughter.

Should the NFC Pro Bowl team all wear #21 jerseys in honor of Sean this year?

Posted by: tdskinz | December 1, 2007 01:26 PM

I think every player who was as good as or better than Sean Taylor should wear his number. In other words, no.

To the person who wrote this:

Total cover up in Miami just like all the other run ins with the Law Sean had there! His dad a Chief of police and Sean a Star in college and Both especially The U doesnt want all the things YOU dont know to get out! One example of Many Red flags

Girlfriend Clearly said that the intruder broke down bedroom door and shot Sean, and there were Seans & girlfriends vehicles in driveway or garage So for police to now say intruders were surprised that Sean was home is Complete BULLSHI*!If you leave alarm off for friends then im sure like everybody you leave lights on!!Seans house was(ALLEGEDLY) broken into a week before so ALARM off is very SUSPICIOUS? Dannyboy wants you to focus on this so you dont focus on how bad the team is 5-6 below 500 before this happened!

Posted by: booredskinfanhoo | December 1, 2007 01:29 PM

I am having a hard time believing this Booredskinsfanhoo is serious. If so, this may qualify as some of the most idiotic words ever written. I'm flagging this moron's comment, as I hope others will as well.

People on here bashing Dan Snyder have the same problem that it was initially believed #21 was killed for. Jealousy of his money. I am no Snyder fan, he has continued to put a losing team on the field with his lack of football knowledge but he has handled this horrific week with a bunch of class.

These 4 aholes better all get life. I don't care if it was premeditated or not. $MrFlorida$ what a POS

Did anyone else see Bob Costas' intro on Sean on Inside the NFL? He and Wilbon should issue apologies. Costas called Sean someone "who embraced the violence and gun culture, and refused to distance himself from it". Apologize Bob and go F*** yourself.

Sorry folks, Wilbon doesn't deserve your blogomanic ire (I disagree - you should be fired). He has the street cred to analyze the ongoing trajedy of young black males -- do you? He pointed out that people around Sean felt he needed to get out of S. Florida for his own safety. No, Sean didn't do anything wrong, but sadly he didn't do everything right. Your first family duty is to provide a safe haven. Allowing family members and their friends run of your house doesn't meet that need. Apparently that was why the alarm system wasn't activated. This is a sad, depressing event that needs some frank and uncomfortable discussion. Wilbon provided that. If it didn't meet your needs, too bad. It might save the next Mike Vick or Sean Taylor.

Isn't everyone here missing the point? It turns out that four friends of Sean's sister decided to burglarize his house and apparently were surpsrised to find him there and killed him. The emphasis should be on four friends of Sean's sister. This shows that the type of place that Sean and his sister came from had a direct impact on what happened. Unfortunately, Sean may moved on relatively recently, but his sister evidently had not. And that proved fatal. Thus, I don't think we should expect retractions. It is still fair to say that Sean's background did him in. It does not make it any less sad. It only points out the problem of violence that could lead to this type of event and how, despite making ones best efforts, it is very difficult to escape,

street cred > facts

Jason La Canfora wrote in his article today:

"Gibbs's legacy in his second run as the Redskins' coach has been tarnished"

I swear I'm not trying to be offended by everything he writes, but he sure does put his foot in his mouth a lot...Just thought this was a bad week to write that.

trosenberg, you're missing the point.

Taylor was called out for having some sort of a violent past. Wilbon said Taylor refused to divorce himself from it despite the contradictory comments from virtually all of his teammates, friends, and family.

ESPN called Taylor out for missing a rookie symposium, spitting on a player, late hits, and several dropped criminal charges.

So is it fair to say all of those things are what did him in? Because that's what's reported. Maybe you should spend some time learning a little about what you're defending.

wow, we sure have a lot of anger merchants up here, say something that isn't "correct" and get slapped around right quick.

jm220, i am with you the larger story of the killing, who did it, the cycle of violence, the societal infastructure crumbling just gets worse not better....

Jason La Canfora wrote in his article today:

"Gibbs's legacy in his second run as the Redskins' coach has been tarnished"

I swear I'm not trying to be offended by everything he writes, but he sure does put his foot in his mouth a lot...Just thought this was a bad week to write that.

Posted by: Barno | December 1, 2007 02:31 PM

Hey Barno,
I swear I'm not trying to be offended by everything you write, but you sure do put your foot in your mouth a lot.
Les Carpenter wrote the article you idiot.

Classic....

I was indeed wrong, as Mack1 so elequently pointed out. My apologies to JLC.

I was indeed wrong, as Mack1 so elequently pointed out. My apologies to JLC.

Les Carpenter has some nerve calling Gibbs legacy tarnished this week, of all times.

Hey Mack1, since you claim I put my foot in my mouth a lot, care to elaborate? Or was that just an empty play on words?

It might be futile posting on a day-old entry, but I wanted to make a comment on this week's Redskins Report (as mentioned by 4thFloor). I've been bothered by Wilbon's comments, too, so I wasn't sure how I'd feel hearing him on the program.

Not only did Wilbon continue to beat his BS into the ground, but the others encouraged it (Riggins even thanking him profusely). I was appalled by the crew's treatment of the subject, and by their inability to empathize with those of us who've reacted differently.

I've loved Redskins Report for so many years. After yesterday's show, though, I can't watch it again.