Redskins Insider, by Jason La Canfora Redskins Insider

I'll Show You Running Up The Score

So I got to thinking last night, in something of a sugar-coma after taste tasting all of Chloe's candy, about that 52-7 blowout (glad to see Sally Jenkins agrees me with on this running up the score nonsense as well. Stop the other team or go home). Wondered when the last time any NFL team led another NFL team by 52-0 in the course of a football game, and called Elias Sports Bureau (full credit, you guys rock) this morning to see if they had the goods.

Of course they did. Turns out the last time anyone has led 52-0 was Dec. 17, 1989, when Cincinnati was up 52-0 on Houston and held on for a 61-7 victory. Now that my friends was running up the score. Turns out this was an epic day for ol' Sam Wyche - a personal favorite of mine back in the day - and I did a little research to let you all know the difference between taking things to a personal level, and just plain playing dominant football until the final whistle blows.

Let's a trip down memory lane, shall we? This is gonna be fun.

Wyche hated Oilers Coach Jerry Glanville and had a pretty good feud going with him. So with the Bengals up 45-0 in the fourth quarter, Wyche calls for an onside kick and, go figure, the Oilers weren't expecting it and Cincy recovered. He does opt to sit Boomer, his star QB, and backup Erik Wilhelm end ups up throwing on fourth down near midfield and the Bengals score to go up 52-0. With the lead trimmed to 52-7, Wyche goes for a fake-reverse and a halfback option pass and they pull ahead, 59-7. There was also a fake-field goal attempts in there somewhere and ultimately with 21 seconds left he called timeout for a final field goal, capping the 61-7 blowout.

After the game Wyche's biggest complaint was with a missed-extra point. 62-7 just had a certain Je ne sais quoi to it I suppose.

"They've got their tails tucked between their legs and they're going home, which is just the way it should be," Wyche said in his post-game remarks. "They're the dumbest, most undisciplined, stupid football team we've ever played. We don't like their team. We don't like their people. And when you get a chance to do it, you do it. I wish it was a five-quarter game."

How great is that? You can't make that stuff up. (A week before this game Wyche had his greatest oratorical moment, when, with the Bengals fans irate at a call and littering the field with snowballs, he grabbed the mic mid game and proclaimed: "You don't live in Cleveland.")

Now, come on people. Belichick isn't doing anything like this (at least not yet, though I do believe he's got a lil somethin' somethin' extra for the Colts this weekend, who had the temerity to defeat his Pats in the regular season and playoffs last year).

In the process of dredging up the details of this 61-7 game, a stumbled upon a column by our very own Mike Wilbon from Dec. 2, 1992, following a Redskins blowout win over the Cardinals. Joe Gibbs happened to be coached the Skins and his buddy Joe Bugel happened to coaching the Cardinals.

Here's the first few paragraphs of Wilbon's column a few days after Washington's 41-3 win (the game was Nov. 29), which had some whining that he had disrespected Bugel, and Bugel himself.

"Don't get me wrong, I like Joe Bugel a lot. But he's way, way, way out of line on this one. If your defense is so sorry and no-account it can't stop somebody's backup quarterback, don't whine and cry and blame the other team's coach for running it up.

"Let's get this straight right up front: The Phoenix Cardinals, on Sunday at RFK, couldn't stop the Redskins from passing, from running, or from moonwalking 10 or 15 yards if they'd wanted to do that. Whatever the Redskins did, the Cardinals were too inept to stop. So instead of Bugel blaming his own pathetic defense, he blamed his old boss Joe Gibbs, who allowed Cary Conklin to throw a short touchdown pass that ran the score from 34-3 to 41-3, as if there's some major difference between the two scores.
"The only thing as ridiculous as Buges's misplaced anger, is Gibbs's repeated apologies. Gibbs said he made a mistake, Gibbs said he was stupid, Gibbs said he's learned a real lesson. The only thing Gibbs is guilty of is perpetuating this goofy theme."

Here's an account of former Postie Richard Justice, the beat guy at the time, on what Gibbs had to say the Monday after that game during his meeting with the media discussing what happened when QB Cary Conklin made his NFL debut and ended up scoring the final TD in the game:

"On third and five at the Phoenix 14, Conklin completed a six-yard pass to tight end Terry Orr for the first down. A pair of running plays followed, then on third and five, an illegal procedure penalty pushed the Redskins back to the 10. On third and goal, Gibbs called a pass and Conklin hit wide receiver Art Monk for his first NFL touchdown pass.
Television cameras caught Cardinals Coach Joe Bugel screaming toward Gibbs, and afterward Bugel was clearly upset. Gibbs said he understood.

"I called that pass without thinking," Gibbs said. "It's 34-3. What are you trying to prove? You shouldn't do it. I did it because everyone was yelling to let Cary throw one. I got caught up in it. It's a bad sportsmanship thing. I got carried away with the idea of letting Cary do something. From our side, you could say we were doing what's best for us, but that doesn't make it right.

"You shouldn't do that. Now, what happens is you give them some extra incentive next year. It's going to be tough for us. I made a mistake and now the whole team will pay for it next year. They're going to be jacked up for us."
Gibbs was vague about whether he still intended to phone Bugel with an apology, saying only, "I'll take care of it."
Bugel, a former Redskins line coach, seemed no less angry yesterday.
"I was a trusty lieutenant for him for nine years, a very loyal lieutenant," Bugel told a news conference in Arizona. "Hey, you've got to do what you have to do. I'll just put it that way. I was disturbed about it. I'll leave it at that. ... I just want the players to remember it. ... Just store it."

Seems like sound enough advice for what the Redskins face right now. Doubtful they will get another crack at the Pats for quite some time - no divisional grudge matches like the Skins/Cards and Bengals/Oilers like in these other cases - but you never know.

Postscript to the '89 Oilers: Everyone hated Glanville - he rubbed a lot of people the wrong way - his team finished 9-7 and made the playoffs despite loses of 61-7, 38-7 to Minnesota and 34-0 to KC. Lost the Wild Card and Glanville was gone, former Skins Coach Jack Pardee came in and a young dude named Gregg Williams got his first pro football break on that staff as a quality control guy (essentially an intern), going with Pardee from the University of Houston to the Oilers.

Randoms: Back-up center Mike Pucillo missed practice with a sprained back. He plays a key role in the jumbo package so we'll if he's able to do more tomorrow ... Rocco had no issues with the lobster costume as expected and kept the headgear on for 2 hours content to look around and gnaw on the antennae ... A snapshot of the owner: He was on the sidelines during practice today, sitting with Vinny. Someone was thirsty, so a security guy was dispatched from a tent about 60 yards away, with a member of the training staff gesturing in the air to alter the help. Security guy came running over with a bottled water, there was no attempt to turn his way or greet him. Security guy placed it between the owner and Vinny, no eye contact, and ran back ...

Since halftime of the Green Bay game the Redskins have played 10 quarters of football. They have 3 offensive TDs. They are averaging just 48 yards per quarter in that span. They have had 31 drives in those 2 ½ games, and 19 have been 3-and-out. They have just five drives over 3:00 in duration in that span .. Got a web chat starting ASAP on washingtonpost.com. See 'ya there.

By Jason La Canfora |  November 1, 2007; 1:02 PM ET
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Posted by: pulldownclaw | November 1, 2007 1:11 PM

Not good...when Jason starts the article..."So I got to thinking last night"...

Posted by: eauzmendi | November 1, 2007 1:12 PM

Karma sucks Bill...

Posted by: RobTerp11 | November 1, 2007 1:13 PM

So your point is that if Sammy W. did it, it must be ok? That guy was hardly known as a gentleman of the game.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 1, 2007 1:13 PM

38-1? Um, correct me if i'm wrong, but 1 point plays were never adopted by the Competition Committee.

Overall, nice post. I like that Wilbon has stayed consistent.

Posted by: mile.high | November 1, 2007 1:14 PM

That argument is stupid and to want to be in agreement with Sally Jenkins isn't too bright either. Differences on the Gibbs/Bugel thing and Bela-ahole deal is that Conklin is a backup. If Matt Cassell was in there running it up fine. Pats were going for it on 4th downs and throwing deep. Get off of this topic already and talk about the upcoming game with the Jets. Or are you trying to rub this loss in the face of the fans the same as the Pats did to the Skins.

Posted by: cdubb | November 1, 2007 1:21 PM

That game sounded a lot like the Patriots game. The Pats were already up a ton, and they decide to go for it on fourth down in field goal range and had that fake spike. Everything described in the article was no worse than what the patriots did. I agree that the Pats shouldn't just run the clock out, but they did play classless. Gibss would not have done that.

Posted by: brendanoldham | November 1, 2007 1:24 PM

The way Jason aligns himself with this no class cheater makes me a little sick. I was hoping AMTTS's post would have resonated a little more.

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh | November 1, 2007 1:28 PM

After the debacle of a few years ago when Snyder seems to go after any high-priced veteran no matter their over the hill talent and got nothing in return for his efforts, the Redskins I say should have gone after Randy Moss just because they still lack a proven go-to reciever. If I am correct, the Skins gave up the same pick as the Raiders to get Lloyd and what has this loser done for us lately? I love Gibbs I but Gibbs II has proven to be his own worst enemy. HIRE A GM ALREADY.

Posted by: tdmi | November 1, 2007 1:34 PM

Forgive Jla for he was the beat reporter for the 'caps' and had to cover the lions.

Reporters need simple story lines. Pats best team ever 'take no prisoners is a good one to write about'. Also you don't need to know anything about football to write this.

He like many people likes winners. Our culture promotes win at any cost. Bush 2000, winning is not the most important thing its the only thing. The Dallas fans of the 90s or Yankee fans of the 60s who were not from either city.

Posted by: mul | November 1, 2007 1:35 PM

I hated it when I found out Sally Jenkins and I were in agreement, but I got no beef with Belichick or his team. My beef is with Joe Gibbs and Gregg Williams for letting this thing happen.

I particularly can't comprehend why, once the game was lost, they didn't play differently. Where were the blitzes that would have twisted Brady's helmet backward?

Gibbilliams completely emasculated their players by calling a defensive game that wouldn't have saved some vestige of pride.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 1:38 PM

how does a team lose 38-1?

Posted by: hellers4 | November 1, 2007 1:41 PM

"...saved some vestige of pride."
Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 01:38 PM

It was 24-0 at halftime. Please explain where the vestiges of pride would have come from... 'cause "52-7, but we hurt Brady" doesn't have the ring of it to me.

Posted by: daggar | November 1, 2007 1:42 PM

When can we expect to get past the Pats game? The players have gotten past it. The coaches have moved on. Can we just let it go and look forward to the Jets?

And F Dan Snyder and Vinny.

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 1:44 PM

tdmi, you're wrong. the pats got Moss for a 4th round pick. Skins got Lloyd for a 3rd in 06 and a 4th in 07'.

Posted by: gregskins | November 1, 2007 1:46 PM

Afternoon.

Why are we still discussing the 52-7 air out. Look, I agree with Jason (Don't really pay too much attention to Sally. Someone should tell her that if she wants crticize the hometeam in the hometown newspaper, then she should write articles more than once every six months. I'm sorry but I don't respect her opinion) but you don't have to keep addressing that fact. We know the about the argument of running up the score vs. sportsmanship, the fact is we could debate this until the year 3000 and still have people on opposite sides of the fence.

Grown men taking their beating and are better men for it. Crybabies run home with their thumb in their mouth, crying to dear ol' mama about how the bully at school is mean to them.

Randall Godfrey, I suggest if you make bold statements like you did you should have the LEADER of the defense make those statements. I would have respected those comments coming from London Fletcher or even Marcus Washington, but you're entitled to your opinion. Sir.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 1, 2007 1:47 PM

how does a team lose 38-1?

Posted by: hellers4 | November 1, 2007 01:41 PM

They got the point after, but the touchdown wasn't good? Bad decision by the referees, and Gibbs has turned it in to the league office.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 1:48 PM

and Moss restructured his deal and took LESS $ to play with Brady.

Posted by: gregskins | November 1, 2007 1:49 PM

Hard to get over it when Jason keeps rubbing it in.

And I certainly hope that the players and coaches haven't gotten past it. As far as I'm concerned, they need to watch that garbage everyday.

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh | November 1, 2007 1:50 PM

Gibbilliams?

That is genius, pure genius.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 1, 2007 1:50 PM

they pull ahead, 59-7. There was also a fake-field goal attempts in there somewhere and ultimately with 21 seconds left he called timeout for a final field goal, capping the 61-7 blowout.

Don't sleep on the ol' 2-pt FG.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 1, 2007 1:51 PM

Gibbilliams?

That is genius, pure genius.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 1, 2007 01:50 PM

Even a blind squirrel can find an acorn.

--The squirrel, blogging today as:

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 1:53 PM

Reaching under my desk. Pulling out the hammers. Scmack to the back of your head JLC. Damn! Can we please let last week go and talk about this week game?

Posted by: jm220 | November 1, 2007 1:57 PM

I don't know if you were reading your Blog Post while you were writing it, JlaC, but didn't you just make fantastic points AGAINST your argument?

First off, your evidence is an AFC game. yyeeech. Then you go on to regard Wyche as a benchmark for grace in the league. Bushleague maybe. Then you go on to show how two of the people we respect most here, JG & JB, regard the issue of 'run-ups' they despise it and think its wrong.

You are entirely right, IMO, about how the team and coaches should react publicly i.e. "if you don't like it, stop it" But the grace in loss with that attitude belies entirely the ugliness of the offender.

I like how you open the post about how you stole candy from a baby.... classic. lol.

You're still AFC, JlaC, but we love ya anyway.

Rok Rok AUN!

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Posted by: shuttledik | November 1, 2007 2:02 PM

I think Jasno is getting in nice with his Boston ties... he's been attacked about being a BoSox fan (from Baltimore)and now he's purposefully siding with the Beantown persuasion to strengthen his BoSox loving identity. For shame...


As for Jasno's last little paragraph, just the kind of doom n' gloom, punch to the kidney, salt in a would kind of ish I've come to expect from him. He is who he is. You take the good with the bad... like his Mr. Snyder observation. Nice.

Posted by: Dorf | November 1, 2007 2:13 PM

On many occassions, I've heard these guys say that they would rather get blown out than lose by one point.

Wish granted.

Posted by: nojunk4me | November 1, 2007 2:18 PM

After that dope Bugel's comments, I hear that Springbrook High School is trying to schedule the Skins for their Homecoming game next year.

I guess we can also blame Buges for Gibby's "conservative approach" to being up 3-0 in the first quarter. Buges calls him out in '91 and now Gibbs refuses to throw up 13-12 in the 2nd quarter. I mean, did Gibbs really bend over and apologize the way he did? Were those real quotes?

Good grief.

Grow a pair, Gibbs.

I would be absolutely stunned at these quotes but I already told you guys that this stuff went on during his first go around as well. Just watch the '87 America's Game DVD. Mass confusion everywhere. Doug Williams and Jeff Bostic hated him and I don't blame them.

I can't wait for the story to come out after we squeak out a 14-12 win in New York. I'd like to apologize to Mangina for throwing it up 14-9 with 8 to play. What a joke this guy is... and I guess we can now also blame Buges, who changed Gibby forever after his tirade. WHAT A JOKE!!!!

Posted by: jwebster05 | November 1, 2007 2:19 PM

He doth take his dislike for this team too far.

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh | November 1, 2007 2:21 PM

I remember a similar thing happening with Stan Humphries.

Joe apologized then too.

Or maybe it was Carey, and I just wished it was Stan Humphries. I want what those two meat heads are up to.

Posted by: WaPoLiveFan16 | November 1, 2007 2:22 PM

sam wyche = G

Posted by: bdotjaydot | November 1, 2007 2:25 PM

that guy jweb is pretty smart.

do you guys think Gibbs would apologize to someone who farted in HIS face? "well, the way I kinda look at that one, is that I kinda stuck my face under his back-side there. I was wrong. He was right. I will go to church tonight to confess."

Posted by: RickyBobby | November 1, 2007 2:25 PM

Jasno,

You do imply that it makes sense to pull your key starting personnel during a blow-out.

Therefore, my take-aways are Wyche is an A$$ and Belichick isn't so smart and is playing with fire.

I don't think the 2nd string offense shouldn't try to score. I subscribe to TE's observation above.

Hail!

Posted by: _Stumped_ | November 1, 2007 2:28 PM

Anyone have a link to the chat?

Taylor should have been free to blitz and knock Brady around...Gibbs/Williams made his DEF stand there with their d&%$s in their hands and take the beating.

Posted by: duffy487 | November 1, 2007 2:29 PM

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 2:30 PM

I mentioned this game in my post. Somehow, when Jerry Glanville was running the score up on people, they weren't chasing ghosts/history. So when Wyche did this to him as payback, it's what he deserved. THE SAME WAY BELICHICK DESERVES IT!!!!

Unreal. I'm not posting my rant again; that's self-serving. I continue to be amazed that we are endorsing the zero class mentality. Giving a pass to a bully beating up a weaker kid because the playing field is level is ludicrous. 'They're all in high school so its up to the kid to stop the bully from punching his face over and over.' It's the same thing.

Color me dissappointed. Wow.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | November 1, 2007 2:33 PM

Still beating a dead horse... for shame!!!

Posted by: JoeyV | November 1, 2007 2:35 PM

Meow JLC,

Sally Jenkins! R U F N kidding me!!

Your in depth research managed to dig up the only 2 point Field Goal in the History of the NFL! NicE!

You steal candy from your own baby! That'll teach her!

The biggest whiner of the week is clearly you JLC! Get over it.....your totally wrong on this issue and I think we're all collectively sick of hearing it.

This is at least the third piece of complete hate-filled dribble that you have try to spew on us this week.

Then you finish with the petty water story about Snyder and Vinny. What's the point of that? To prove your more petty than they are? Job well done!!


Posted by: filmchis | November 1, 2007 2:35 PM

I for the life of me don't understand why a reporter for a team spends a whole post defending another team?? All that and a small paragraph about THE TEAM YOU GET PAID TO COVER!!! Amazing!! Also I'm glad you compare yourself to a whinny B!TCH that never contributes to the Skins unless something bad happens. Cheers

Posted by: carymowerandsaw | November 1, 2007 2:35 PM

Gibbs DID apologize. And it was a good thing he did so. It was wrong.

I believe the term around here is ChickenSJK.

I'll admit, the complaints by the players and/or coaches should not have been expressed and they should be upset only with themselves.

But graciousness in victory is more important than in defeat.

It is a shame that many people don't recognize this anymore.

Posted by: shuttledik | November 1, 2007 2:35 PM

"Don't sleep on the ol' 2-pt FG." haha

yeah i was wondering how you go from 59 to 61 with a FG as well. i'm sure it was 58-7 with the missed PAT.

(jason i hope that was you and not Elias Sports Bureau... LOL)

Posted by: jl16351 | November 1, 2007 2:35 PM

oh and glad to see you had to go back almost 20 years to find an equally disgraceful display of sportsmanship!

...and yes running up the score on Jerry Glanville and Joe Gibbs are two completely different things!!!

It's an issue of class...one you clearly don't understand.

Posted by: filmchis | November 1, 2007 2:38 PM

oh, and my actual user-name now shows, but yall may know and love me as pack4life

btw, did anyone go to lambeau? whatcha think?

Posted by: bdotjaydot | November 1, 2007 2:39 PM

Sorry, not used to the registered thingy.

drouhier=ArtMonkToTheSticks

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | November 1, 2007 2:40 PM

Liked the Mon. Nite game B.J.!!

Love seeing the cheating Broncs get beat!

git 'em!

Posted by: shuttledik | November 1, 2007 2:44 PM

Then you finish with the petty water story about Snyder and Vinny. What's the point of that? To prove your more petty than they are? Job well done!!


Posted by: filmchis | November 1, 2007 02:35 PM

I thought the peice about Danny and Vinny was the highlight of the day. Thanks Jasno!

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 2:48 PM

peice=piece. Better correct that before one the spellcheck aficionados comes after me.

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 2:51 PM

I never heard anyone talk about tennis, me personally I can't stand it.

Martina Hingis called it quits, deciding to retire after testing positive for cocaine.

This is why I think she is clearly guilty.

She had to pee in a cup, tested positive, then retires?

She is more obvious than Floyd Landis.

OK, I swear tennis and bicycle racing will NEVER be discussed by me again.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 1, 2007 2:54 PM

Yeah, nice work with the Vinny and Danny story. Maybe Vinny needed the water to cool down after his fluff sesh with his buddy?

By the way, has anyone gotten the ol' visiting team returns email yet? I got the one from stub hub the other day so I'm guessing the visiting team returns will start pouring in over the next few days, right?

And why wouldn't they? Philly is so far away and they get so many ticket returns for games in Washington, right?

Can't wait to see all of the red and yellow (empty seats) and green (Eagles fans) at the game. I might actually try to buy one of those 3 dollar tickets in the parking lot this time.

Posted by: RickyBobby | November 1, 2007 2:57 PM

OK, I swear tennis and bicycle racing will NEVER be discussed by me again.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 1, 2007 02:54 PM

LMGO

Posted by: jm220 | November 1, 2007 3:00 PM

Washington at New York Game Preview
Posted: Wednesday October, 2007 05:01PM, Updated: Wednesday October, 2007 05:01PM

Fans of the New York Jets have been calling for a quarterback change all season. They'll finally get their wish Sunday, but it remains to be seen if a new signal caller can turn New York's dismal season around.

Kellen Clemens takes over for Chad Pennington under center and tries to help the Jets end a five-game losing streak when they host the Washington Redskins.

New York is off to a 1-7 start and Pennington's struggles are only part of the problem. While his numbers rank him in the middle of the pack among NFL quarterbacks, he hasn't been able to lead his club to many points.

The Jets are 30th in the league in total offense with 284.3 yards per game and rank 26th in scoring with 17.4 points a contest. Pennington hasn't been helped by the Jets' rushing attack, which is averaging just 90.9 yards per game despite the addition of running back Thomas Jones in the offseason.

"I made this decision not based on singling out Chad for where we are, but based on the fact that I think Kellen has earned this opportunity," coach Eric Mangini said. "I want to give him this opportunity. It's in no way an indication that Chad is solely responsible. We all are."

Clemens has appeared in five games since being taken in the second round of the 2006 draft out of Oregon. He's completed 29 of 60 passes for 362 yards with one touchdown and four interceptions.

He started in place of an injured Pennington on Sept. 16 in Baltimore, and went 19-for-37 for 260 yards with one TD and two picks in New York's 20-13 loss.

"Getting your first start out of the way I think is pretty big," Clemens said. "So now going into what will be my second start, I feel a lot better, a lot more confident."

The Jets' skid reached five last Sunday when they managed just 254 yards of offense - their second-lowest total of the season - in a 13-3 home defeat to Buffalo.

Pennington had 106 yards on 13 completions and was sacked three times. Clemens replaced him late in the game and was 5-of-12 for 67 yards and two interceptions.

"It's exciting to have the opportunity and I'm looking forward to the chance to play," Clemens said. "At the same time, there's a losing streak right now that this entire team needs to work hard to turn around."

Pennington overcame consecutive rotator cuff operations and won the NFL's Comeback Player of the Year award last season, when he threw for a career-high 3,352 yards in leading New York to a 10-6 record and a wild-card berth.

This season, he has thrown for 1,317 yards and nine touchdowns in seven games, but has seven interceptions - three that sealed losses - as opposing defensive backs seem to be keying on a lack of arm strength.

"I'm disappointed and it's a frustrating time for me," Pennington said. "At the same time, it's not about me. It's about our team and our team moving forward and I understand that."

Jones has only two 100-yard rushing games and has failed to score a TD after running for 1,210 yards and six scores to help Chicago reach the Super Bowl last season. With the inexperienced Clemens now running the team, Jones might get more carries.

"The coaches coach and I play," said Jones, averaging just 3.8 yards per carry. "I'm a player and I go out and do what they ask me to do. I get paid to do what they ask me to do to the best of my ability. The coaches coach. I have confidence in them that they are going to make the right decisions and they have confidence in me that I'm going to go out there and perform what I have to."

Washington (4-3) gets a chance to bounce back against one of the worst teams in the NFL after being routed 52-7 last week by New England, likely the league's top club.

The Redskins allowed season highs in points, total yards (486), passing yards (334) and rushing yards (154). They also committed a season-worst four turnovers and held the ball for just 22 minutes, 11 seconds.

It was Washington's worst loss since a 53-0 defeat to the New York Giants during its 1-12-1 season of 1961.

"If you get down in the dumps for losing against a team like that, you shouldn't be here," receiver Santana Moss said. "What's done is done. They showed us how they were, and we had nothing to answer for it. All we can do is look at it and feel awful about it, or look at it and say 'Hey, we experienced it, and let's try not to go that route again.'"

This will be Moss' first game against his former team since New York traded him to Washington for fellow receiver Laveranues Coles in March 2005. The Jets selected Moss with the 16th overall pick in the 2001 draft, and he caught 151 passes for 2,416 yards and 19 TDs in four seasons with New York.

Coles, meanwhile, started his career with the Jets before leaving after three seasons to sign a seven-year deal with Washington in March 2003. He might not be on the field Sunday, however, as he suffered a concussion late in the loss to Buffalo when he jumped to catch a pass from Pennington and was immediately hit in the middle of the back by Terrence McGee.

``Any time you have an injury it is scary,'' Mangini said Wednesday. ``With a guy like Laveranues who is so tough, you have to be careful and make sure you go through the same process that you would go through with every other player. That is what we are doing.''

The Redskins are 7-1 all-time against the Jets.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 1, 2007 3:02 PM

bigphish,
someone kinda took a shot at me yestarday for missusing a wurd, you no one of those homofones. The spelleng polease is always wurking oveurtime on the blog.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 1, 2007 3:07 PM

Seantizzy,

thanks for a relevant post!

Posted by: filmchis | November 1, 2007 3:08 PM

I don't know why we are still talking about this either, but as long as we are I'll respond to Jasno.

Comparing Sam Wyche and Jerry Glanville to Joe Gibbs is ridiculous. Wyche (and almost everyone else) hated Glanville. If you think what Wyche did, and his postgame comments, were "great" (in the real sense, not the 'great reporting material' sense), then I don't expect that we will ever see eye to eye on this.

I don't see any inconsistency from Wilbon. I didn't have a problem with Cassel coming in and scrambling for a TD. I do have a problem with continuing to call passes and using your starters during a blowout as if your life depends on it. If a team can't stop the backup QB, and backup RB when he winning team is calling mostly running plays, then too bad. But when the COACH is making calls like pass plays on 4th down, and passing with the starters in during the 4th quarter, that's just ridiculous. It's called sportsmanship.

You can blow out a team (and even keep scoring late) without being a bad sport about it. Gibbs himself has done it many times. You take out the starters. You don't pass on 4th down. In fact, you generally don't pass much, period. You try to run out the clock and make sure nobody gets hurt...but only when you're up by a ton of points (like the Pats were).

In soccer, when a player goes down injured on a non-penalty play, you kick the ball out of bounds to give the other team a chance to get the player off the field. You don't have to do it; you could keep playing and trying to score while someone else is lying on the field. But nobody does. It's called sportsmanship.

Nobody talks about "no mercy" and "no crying in football." It's just what you do.

That said, no Redskins should whine about another team running up the score on them. It does make you look weaker in the eyes of the opposition. But I don't play for the Redskins, so I'm totally comfortable calling Belichick an SJKhole for his boorishness.

Just because you and other 'macho' sportswriters don't believe in the concept of sportsmanship and winning the right way doesn't mean that nobody else does.

Posted by: jcabana | November 1, 2007 3:08 PM

To me it wasn't not about running the score up but about going for 4th down twice with such a big lead. If you keep going down the field and never get a fourth down more power to you. I prefer if it is fourth down and you up but a sh*t ton of points to punt or kick a field goal. That is my only issue.

Posted by: SmallPen15 | November 1, 2007 3:10 PM

Very good post jcabana

Posted by: jm220 | November 1, 2007 3:12 PM

Ref Stubhub:

I think it's hilarious that the Pats are sueing Stub Hub while "the danny" send out emails for them.

Not that Kraft knows how to run a football team or anything.

Skinz

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 1, 2007 3:12 PM

this is just another typical post from Jasno. It almost literally says "I told you so." Way to show your real colors Jasno, maybe you should think about what Gibbs said in some of those quotes about blowing out the Cards. Can we just drop the topic all together?

I'm ready for the 'Skins to start a winning streak!!!

Hail!

Posted by: gethanr13 | November 1, 2007 3:15 PM

Jason,

I am with you about the pats game.

HOWEVER, let me offer some advice. NEVER, EVER, point it out when you happen to agree with that "rhymes-with-bunt" Sally Jenkins. NEVER. If you find out she has expressed a similar opinion to your own, you should quickly reevaluate your opinion to make sure there has been no mistake. Then take a long shower and try to stop feeling tainted.

Jenkins is awful. Her columns are always poorly researched and dreadfully written and her logic is nearly always suspect. I recall a column late in 2005 when she tried to make the point that the Skins had the easiest schedule in the NFL but accidentally used the 2004 results rather than the 2005 results (to that point) that demonstrated the Skins schedule ranked in the top-5 in difficulty. She also "guaranteed" the Skins would not make the playoffs that year when they fell to 5-6.

Please Jason. NEVER AGAIN!!

Posted by: mhaslup | November 1, 2007 3:16 PM

mmmmm...Mari Hingis on coke... mmmmmm

I like Tennis. I like Bike Racing. I think it's funny, John Kruk funny, that Armstrong only has one nut and is foolin around with one of the Olsen Sisters

Posted by: shuttledik | November 1, 2007 3:17 PM

Skinz,

Seriously. The Pats know how to run an ethical, successful, and respected organization. It is the complete opposite here, with the lies, gimmicks, and losing.

But hey, Gibbs says "we're going about things the right way up here"...

And Vinny laughs at us and says "don't worry, ha ha, we have a plan"...

And Danny says nothing as he hits those softballs back to George Michael in his interview chair.

We're in good shape. Yep. Ship shape.

Posted by: RickyBobby | November 1, 2007 3:20 PM

shuttledik you know that was wrong in so many ways. LMGO!! Now I got to go and ask for forgiveness

Posted by: jm220 | November 1, 2007 3:20 PM

Dumbazz Armstrong leaves Sherryl Crow and now he's messing with one of the anemic Olsens. Pathetic.

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 3:20 PM

I know I am going to have myself for responding to RB. However, to call them "respected organization" isn't what I call a team caught cheating.

Posted by: jm220 | November 1, 2007 3:23 PM

Yo Jay? Got any good news? We seem to only be getting the bad:

injuries, patriots thrashing, snyder and vinny... how about some info on how the offense is looking or defense?

Do the players look more intense this week after a loss? Give us something to hang our hats on... Peace.

Posted by: JoeyV | November 1, 2007 3:24 PM

LMGO! That should have been hate myself for responding.

Bigfish I agree with you. I totally don't understand that one.

Posted by: jm220 | November 1, 2007 3:24 PM

If he still had both of his, um, 'twins', would he be with both of those twins at the same time?

Posted by: 4-12 | November 1, 2007 3:27 PM

Its Skins 69 Giants 41. Skins have the ball deep in Giants territory with the clock running out on 4th down. The Skins call time out. Specifically, Sam Huff calls time out so the Skins have to run another play. They kick a FG and the final is 72-41 !!! Sam wanted to run the score up on a coach he hated.

Now if you are going to see a team 2x a year, I think you play it differently. But unless the Skins get to the SB with NE, Gibbs is never going to coach against NE again. So its the least risky time to do this.

But I think the Gibbs approach is smarter overall. Because if Brady goes down while running up the score -- and why wouldn't teams blitz like crazy at that point -- it will cost NE everything they are trying to prove

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 1, 2007 3:28 PM

jm,

I hear ya... the cheating thing was definitely big news for a few weeks, but by beating teams by 40 every week they sure are shutting everybody up.

I still think if you polled every front office in the league on which organization is more respected (on and off the field) between Gibbs/Snyder vs. Bellichick/Kraft, 75% would say the latter.

Posted by: RickyBobby | November 1, 2007 3:28 PM

4-12 they total wieght together is 100 pounds. My answer still would be NO

Posted by: jm220 | November 1, 2007 3:28 PM

"NORRISTOWN, Pa. - Philadelphia Eagles coach Andy Reid's eldest son, who said he got a thrill out of selling drugs in both poor and tony neighborhoods, was sentenced Thursday to up to 23 months in jail for smashing into another motorist's car while high on heroin."

"His addiction persists, according to authorities, who found 89 prescription drug pills in Reid's jail cell Thursday morning. They believe he smuggled them in his rectum when he was jailed earlier this week."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21551662/


Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 3:28 PM

As of matter of fact the 3:17 post is detective Spelling.

Mr. Spelling, should I have used a capital D with Spelling? I think it denotes a title of a person, so that is a capital D right? Also, could you tell me if I'm putting my commas in the right place? I don't want to sound like I'm rambling, as of matter of fact could you tell me if I am using the phrase as a matter of fact correctly? Should I have put quotation marks in the previous sentence? BTW could you...

Nice to meet you sir. I love it when people have so much self love for themselves they have to promote their superiority by pointing out the mistakes of others.

Oh hail mhaslup, oh hail. What the fudge is that anyway? Could you enlighten, oh merciful one?

Posted by: RedDMV | November 1, 2007 3:30 PM

RB remember the Colts was beating people pretty good for a couple of years and didn't win the SB. As I stated last week if they don't win the SB they will look really stupid for running up the score.

Posted by: jm220 | November 1, 2007 3:30 PM

I was talking to my buddy who is huge Boston sports fan (he lived there as a kid). He made a good point... Bellicheat has his team playing at a championship level. Tom Brady and the Offense need to play hard for 4 quarters and not get away from that. If you're benching Brady every game in the 4th quarter because every game is a blowout, will he be ready and prepared for (if it ever happens) a close one late in the game. If the Patriots are setting a standard of excellence and that's the kind of football they need to play at to win, so be it (be it a regular season non-conference game or a super bowl).

Makes sense to me. I don't know Bellicheat as a person and have never played a professional sport. (when a professional paper football league is created, I'll be there.) Just my thoughts. I'm not defending the Pats, or condemning Gibbs... merely doing my part to beat a dead horse.

Hey, I think we're playing the Jets this weekend. Feels like a Bye week to me.

Posted by: Dorf | November 1, 2007 3:31 PM

Lance Armstrong and one of the Olsen twins? Begs the question, what will an Olsen twin look like on steriods?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 1, 2007 3:31 PM

zcezcest1,

Agreed. It's not only bad sportsmanship - it's stupid. I don't care how many SB's Belichick has won: he's letting his grudge against the NFL interfere with his common sense.

Posted by: jcabana | November 1, 2007 3:32 PM

Lance Armstrong is much older than myself and even I would feel like a molester messing with Michelle Tanner.

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 3:35 PM

jm220,
I don't like cheaters either, but man face it everyone cheats in one way or another in sports. In these times there is too much money and fame to be lost if you can't stay on top of your game.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 1, 2007 3:36 PM

jm,

again, with the colts, you're still comparing a major league team with AA minor league squad. the colts have the highest winning percentage since 2000 and the fans/league respect their coach/owner. Can't say that here... at all.

Posted by: RickyBobby | November 1, 2007 3:37 PM

nice post, jcabana

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh | November 1, 2007 3:37 PM

Why does it have to be a "dead horse"? Could it be a bear, gazelle, lion, or cow?

Posted by: RedDMV | November 1, 2007 3:40 PM

RedDMV,

My post was at 3:16, not 3:17. Do not worry. I am certain that as you start paying more attention to details, you will start getting things right.

I merely pointed out your mistake in the post yesterday because it is a common mistake that often makes otherwise-intelligent individuals seem stupid. The difference between "formerly" and "formally" is something every English-speaker should learn. In that sense, it is similar to the difference between "there," "their," and "they're." It is not merely a misspelling, but it demonstrates a lack of mastery of the language. I am sure you are very intelligent, but it is difficult to know that because you seem to write through a "stupid-filter."

Posted by: mhaslup | November 1, 2007 3:40 PM

yeah, seriously, I mean it's not like we use fake crowd noise or anything. That would be cheating, and Joe Gibbs simply wouldn't stand for it.... what a joke.

RedDMV, good post.

Posted by: RickyBobby | November 1, 2007 3:42 PM

Oh merciful one,
This is a blog, a blog. I'm not writing a letter to be posted somewhere that could somehow compromise my intelligence. I think you need to turn your attention to your school children you're teaching. People here make silly spelling mistakes all the time. I see thousands daily, I don't have the need or urge to put someones grammar skills (lack thereof in my case) on display. Have I ever said I am some english major? If you come to a blog to critique a persons spelling, stick to proofreading 3rd graders reports on why Columbus sailed the ocean blue. If you're not a teacher then I'm sorry.

Go spell check letters to Santa Claus then.

Have a nice day, goodbye.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 1, 2007 3:55 PM

how does a team lose 38-1?

Posted by: hellers4 | November 1, 2007 01:41 PM

The same way a 59-7 lead goes to 61-7 on a field goal. Lay off Jasno. Have YOU ever tried to write coherently when jacked up on pilferred Hallowe'en candy?

The WORST news in the whole piece was Snyder siting next to Vinnie. Until the owner Bozo exiles the Toady Bozo to Siberia and replaces him with REAL GM, the Redskins are doomed to mediocrity.

Posted by: corkczar | November 1, 2007 3:56 PM

Has anyone heard if the Redskins are going to take the handcuffs off Soups this weekend? Weird Al said he was doing so against the Pats. Didn't look like it.

Can it be that our concept of "taking off the handcuffs" is different from the Redskins? I would love to see some quick slants and stop and go patterns.

It is clear at this point that the run is anemic (due to line problems). We will have to live and die by the pass. Of course, protection for Soups will be a problem, but quick hitters will get the ball out of JC's hands before the rush can get to him.

Posted by: CBT | November 1, 2007 3:56 PM

Nice story on Sam Wyche vs Jerry Glanville. The ironic part of the story? Back in 1989, Cincinnati was in the AFC Central Division with the Houston Oilers, Pittsburgh Steelers, and the original Houston Oilers. Everybody from that division made the playoffs except for the Bengals. In addition, Glanville got fired after losing in the playoffs to the Steelers. He gets hired to coach Atlanta and lo and behold, the Falcons openning game is a Sunday night battle with the Bengals. Falcons win 47-27 with Glanville blitzing on D and trying to score more points late in the 4th quarter.

Posted by: nicefellow31 | November 1, 2007 3:58 PM

They did take the handcuffs off Soupy. That's why the ball kept flying out too.

Posted by: daggar | November 1, 2007 3:58 PM

If you come to a blog to critique a persons spelling, stick to proofreading 3rd graders reports on why Columbus sailed the ocean blue.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 1, 2007 03:55 PM

You forgot the apostrophe.

RedDMV, I hope you get that I am making a joke. I kid because I love.

Posted by: CBT | November 1, 2007 3:59 PM

Just posting to get signed in.

Posted by: tcnovakjr | November 1, 2007 4:01 PM

"Amy Winehouse to Appeal Drug Fine"

Her defense is "Do you realize how much blow I could get for that kind of money?"

Posted by: daggar | November 1, 2007 4:02 PM

RedDMV,

As I said, my earlier post had nothing to do with a "spelling" error.

Incidentally, there should have been a period between "daily" and "I" in your last post.

I am not a teacher. I accept your apology.

I hope you have a nice day as well.

Posted by: mhaslup | November 1, 2007 4:02 PM

They did take the handcuffs off Soupy. That's why the ball kept flying out too.

Posted by: daggar | November 1, 2007 03:58 PM

I did not notice anything different other than all those sacks/fumbles.

Is Soups holding on to it too long due to inexperience or poor play design? Can't the coaches come up with a game plan that masks/compensates for the injured O-line?

Posted by: CBT | November 1, 2007 4:04 PM

I don't like that my User ID will be shown at the bottom. I liked having my actual name appear. Nards to that.

Colin

Posted by: CDon | November 1, 2007 4:05 PM

My post was at 3:16, not 3:17. Do not worry. I am certain that as you start paying more attention to details, you will start getting things right.

Posted by: mhaslup | November 1, 2007 03:40 PM

mhaslup--

May I offer you some constructive feedback?

Do you realize this is Redskins Insider, not the Marc Fisher blog? That sort of stuff scores big points with the Fisherians. Up here it makes you look like an idiot.

I realize you don't think of yourself as one, and maybe you actually aren't, but that's how you come across to others when you take that approach to posting.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 4:05 PM

mhaslup, I'm not sure that I understand the point of your persistence in this matter, nor the reasoning for your slightly hectoring delivery.

RedDMV/SkinsRealist (did I remember your former handle correctly?) posts his/her thoughts and opinions here fairly regularly. I detect no such 'stupid filter' in play in those posts, and I see no relevance between any such filter and spelling.

If misspelling is your particular 'pet peeve', I suggest that you stay away from real-time connected media in all its' various forms, as the human imperative to interact with others tends (rightly, in my humble opinion) to transcend the need to ensure that all appropriate I's and T's have been dotted and crossed and that no infinitives have been inadvertently split.

Why can't we all be slightly kinder, gentler versions of ourselves here? It's costs us nothing, yet affords us much.

Pedantry girded in a cloth of smugness is seldom a winning combination. I'm hoping that what you were trying to be was either self-deprecating or ironic perhaps, but sadly it isn't reading that way.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 1, 2007 4:06 PM

Dorf, couldn't agree less with that, someone tried to push that crap on me, and I was having none of it.

Brady is completing passes at the highest level the NFL has ever seen is he not? So to suggest that they needed to play for all 4 quarters is pretty foolish given:
a. the number of points they had already scored
b. the complete and utter inability of the Redskins to mount any type of offensive threat, that is, unless they scored a 60 point touchdown
c. if your friend truly believed that, then according to his logic, the pats should have kept Brady in the whole game, right?

My final point is this. Vrabel, who was on the field with less than 4 minutes remaining was limited in practice this week because of a shoulder injury suffered during the game. So karma is already making the rounds....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 1, 2007 4:07 PM

Content>spelling/grammar on this blog.

Besides we all talk good enough American to be understood. Certainly more gooder than those guys down in the Dallas Blog.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 1, 2007 4:08 PM

Redcoats 4:06 and My 4:08 illustrate fairly well the reason that US Americans are hated far more than our British cousins.


Diplomacy=The ability to tell someone to go to hell and have them looking forward to the trip.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 1, 2007 4:10 PM

Can I get a hit off andy ried's son's rectum...sounds like a party in there!

Posted by: chrislarry | November 1, 2007 4:11 PM

Besides we all talk good enough American to be understood. Certainly more gooder than those guys down in the Dallas Blog.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 1, 2007 04:08 PM

I don't know. Boofer seems pretty coherent to me.

Pause, pause, pause, pause, pause, NOT

Posted by: CBT | November 1, 2007 4:13 PM

I am wiping down my keyboard as we type. Thanks alot CL.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 1, 2007 4:15 PM

Thank you S-T-2-D-H, but if your comparison is true, why are the villains in Hollywood movies always either f) Brits, or %) Played by Brits even if they're from another country!

And mhaslup, I am well aware that my prior post is full of grammatical and spelling errors. I never finished high school so my 'stupid filter' has to run flat out in reverse just to make me readable!

Posted by: Redcoat | November 1, 2007 4:15 PM

Redcoats 4:06 and My 4:08 illustrate fairly well the reason that US Americans are hated far more than our British cousins.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 1, 2007 04:10 PM

I disagree.

- Heather Mills

(it just doesn't have the same effect with registration)

Posted by: CBT | November 1, 2007 4:18 PM

All,

Once again, I never corrected a "spelling" error.

I will point out that RedDMV raised this topic, which I had not thought about since yesterday. All I did yesterday was point out that he was using "formally" where he should have used "formerly." It seemed to be more than a simple typo, and I informed him in order to prevent him from being embarrassed by the same mistake in a more important setting. I didn't think it was all that serious, but apparently he considers correcting an error in his writing to be akin to fornicating with his mother.

Posted by: mhaslup | November 1, 2007 4:20 PM

Thank you S-T-2-D-H, but if your comparison is true, why are the villains in Hollywood movies always either f) Brits, or %) Played by Brits even if they're from another country!

Posted by: Redcoat | November 1, 2007 04:15 PM

Redcoat -- Uh, did you mean to end the question with a question mark? You know, one of these? -- ?

Can I take a stab at that question? Is it because they're so much more articulate and we can follow their clever machinations better if they're spoken in proper British English? Is it because we're more easily misled by a gent speaking in a British accent (like a woman with a French accent)? Is it because some knavish thoughts can only be expressed by British actors?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 4:21 PM

Redcoat- The Brits are actually taking over U.S. Americans television shows. The stars of:
@) House
#) Bionic Woman
I) Life
Z) Journeyman
are all British actors. Of course, they're all starring on shows that suck, so maybe I helped you make your point there. Nevermind.

Posted by: 4-12 | November 1, 2007 4:21 PM

Just heard Williams refused to talk about the Pats game anymore...said he has moved on to the Jets.

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 1, 2007 4:24 PM

For us older guys, it's Hayley Mills.

Posted by: Markin21132 | November 1, 2007 4:24 PM

CBT, everyone knows what Heather Mills is, her representatives are merely haggling over her fee! :-)

Posted by: Redcoat | November 1, 2007 4:24 PM

That Parrot has expired!

Posted by: johndinhouston | November 1, 2007 4:24 PM

This is officially an EX PaRROT!

Posted by: shuttledik | November 1, 2007 4:26 PM

If Gibbs were to have a full tilt scrimmage with the defense vs the offense would the defense need to play all eleven players to make it a fair match? My guess is the safeties would sit out since the offense never throws deep anyways.

Posted by: driley | November 1, 2007 4:28 PM

Let us not forget that we have the Brits to thank for "The Office."

Posted by: CBT | November 1, 2007 4:28 PM

Yeah CBT but we also have them to thank for the Middle East. Let's call it a wash.

I hope Grilliams is refusing to talk about it. No point in continually bringing it up.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 1, 2007 4:31 PM

Is that the singular of feet?

By the way, if anyone still cares, or ever did. We beat live horses to make 'em do stuff. Therefore "beating a dead horse" is the metaphor for futility. We don't beat live grizzly bears. Not more than once anyway.

-Timothy Treadwell

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 1, 2007 4:31 PM

heey, waht iz itt withh pooor speling? I'm smmart annd remebmer too uze tha apostrophys. Yu cn tooo

REgardz
Spelchck

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 1, 2007 4:32 PM

All,

Once again, I never corrected a "spelling" error.

Posted by: mhaslup | November 1, 2007 04:20 PM

You don't know what the hell you corrected, because you don't know whether he misspelled the right word or he used the wrong word, or whether his fingers slipped and he had a typo. You're just making up a bunch of assumptions to make yourself appear smart at someone else's expense. There's a name for that sort of behavior, but I can't think of it right now.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 4:33 PM

Yes t_e, I meant to use a question mark AND an exclamation point (the interrobang not being available here) but sadly left out the important one.

4-12, The whole Hugh Laurie thing leaves me more than a little baffled.

He used to have an obscure BBC2 comedy programme in the UK with his much-funnier partner Stephen Fry, where if they were doing a skit that required one of them to be American, Hugh would always use that 'accent' he uses now in House. I always thought it was desperately bad, but apparently now it's good enough for prime-time US TV. I'm sort of insulted for you guys as I still think it's pretty dire, but I expect it's what passes for 'yank' in the rarified Cambridge circles he moved in.

As I haven't seen any of those programmes I can't comment on them, but it does seem odd that every now and then a bunch of Brits make it big over here. Maybe it's that they usually have to go through more training in front of cynical (typical UK) audiences before they get their big chance than is the norm here.

Or maybe it's just that we speak different and we get a lot of unearned credit just for doing that?

Posted by: Redcoat | November 1, 2007 4:34 PM

The Brits gave us the funniest show ever, Coupling. The BBC version is pure gold.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 1, 2007 4:34 PM

Sorry about the Middle East chaps, our bad.

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 1, 2007 4:37 PM

Sorry Dik and JohnD... playing catch-up.

"It has CEASED to BE".

Posted by: Redcoat | November 1, 2007 4:38 PM

I didn't think coupling was that great. BBC Office and Yes, Minister were funny though.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 1, 2007 4:39 PM

Lets not forgot the two brothers from Prison Break and the star of Life, Damian Lewis.

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 4:41 PM

House?! If you want ugly-american (and let's face it, who doesn't) watch

Always Sunny In Philadelphia!!

Brilliant.

Posted by: shuttledik | November 1, 2007 4:41 PM

Redcoat,

You do get credit for the accent. Everything sounds smarter when you can pronounce it that way. Probably even mhaslup's posts would sound plausible if he asked Sir John Geilgud to read them for him.

But, where you go down in everyone's estimation is your silly spelling: labour, aluminium, behove, etc. Mind you, our spelling's aren't inherently righter, they just look more intelligent.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 4:42 PM

You know it really is pathetic to listen to arguments for the Pats unsportsmanlike behavior at the end of the game. Why is it so important to destroy the opponent? Does it make you tougher? For point differential? Please.
Why not send a message to all the fans (especially the kids) by demonstrating class in a situation like this? We are friggin talking about a football game. What if Bellicheck runs the ball, punts or kicks a field goal on 4th downs, and then shakes Gibbs hand after the game, maybe pats him on the back sympathetically.
But that's too much to ask from classless Bill, who responded to the ? by saying, "what did you want me to do, kick a field goal?" Um, yes. Your up 35 and 42. Please explain your rationale.
Maybe he was thinking if the Skins vaunted passing/running attack got in gear, they might get right back in it. Right. You can defend him all you want, but you know it's not right. No way. Never.

I watched that game with my youngest son(10) and I was trying to explain to him what it means to be a good sport. To be humble when you win and gracious when you lose. You always play hard, but when the game is over you look the other guy in the eye and shake his hand. It's called respect. Something sorely lacking in sports today.

Posted by: squashmo | November 1, 2007 4:43 PM

Who is mhaslup? Someone new or a regular who got lost in registration.

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 4:44 PM

CBT, Ricky Gervais is great, but his TV career was very nearly still-born.

He had a UK TV show years ago called "The Ricky Gervais Show" where he would do monologues each week about various subjects. The problem with this was that he was playing different characters each time but didn't let the audience in on that.

So often he would start making all sorts of obnoxious statements, racist, misogynistic for example, and people thought HE was saying those things.

In hindsight I think he was trying out model personas for the character of David Brent, the least self-aware person on the planet. But the knee-jerking was so bad that for while it looked like he would get booted off TV forever - at least until someone actually took the time to talk to him and understand what he was doing!

Posted by: Redcoat | November 1, 2007 4:44 PM

Sorry, squashmo=cosmofla

Posted by: squashmo | November 1, 2007 4:45 PM

Talent Evaluator,

It is plain that RedDMV's error was not a simple typo. He spelled a completely different word than the one he should have used. "Formerly" does not become "formally" with a slip of the finger. Typing the former does not even require one to approach the "a" key. No assumption is required.

Your assertion that this was anything other than a failure to understand the difference between the two words is disingenuous.

When you think of the word you are looking for, please let me know.

Posted by: mhaslup | November 1, 2007 4:45 PM

Squashmo, today sportsmanship means you're sorry for electrocuting the dogs. And that you offered to pay for the abortion.

Posted by: shuttledik | November 1, 2007 4:47 PM

mhaslup was formerly (note the usage) known as Mike H.

Posted by: mhaslup | November 1, 2007 4:48 PM

Redcoat- You guys get serious credit for this...The government won't let "reduced alcohol wine" be sold in the UK. Hail to the fully leaded grape!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7072444.stm

Posted by: 4-12 | November 1, 2007 4:48 PM

"He plays a key role in the jumbo package so we'll if he's able to do more tomorrow"
------------------

As I think Nate suggested a while back, we get to play Mad Libs. Pick your own verb: "so we'll" ________________ "if he's able . . ."

Posted by: NCICURN | November 1, 2007 4:49 PM

maybe he was typing with his mouth full?

...formawwlly

......fowmrarwy...

dang peanut butter...

Posted by: shuttledik | November 1, 2007 4:49 PM

I am formerly announcing that this is the real bigfish formally known as bigfish.

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 4:51 PM

Mind you, our spelling's aren't inherently righter, they just look more intelligent.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 04:42 PM

Intelligible? Yes. Intelligent? The jury is still out.... ;-)

I think you're right t_e, the accent affords us a lot of latitude. Despite the fact that I come from 'EastEnders' London rather than anywhere more 'cut glass' in the accent department, I find myself participating in more and more web and trade show panel sessions just because my accent allows me to differentiate my message more easily. Well that and the fact that I look like a God. Sorry, did I say 'God'? I meant 'Cod', anyway I can get away with a lot because I'm a Brit!

And Dik, I love my wife, and she aure ain't no ugly American!

Posted by: Redcoat | November 1, 2007 4:54 PM

Whoa!

POSTED 4:04 p.m. EDT, November 1, 2007

JUDGE CALLS ANDY REID'S HOME 'A DRUG EMPORIUM' by Michael David Smith

A judge in Philadelphia today sentenced Garrett Reid to two to 23 months in jail and had harsh words for the home where Reid lives with his father, Eagles coach Andy Reid.

The Philadelphia Inquirer reports that Judge Steven O'Neill likened the Reid home to "a drug emporium" and questioned whether it was a suitable place for Reid's adult sons to live.

"There isn't any structure there that this court can depend upon. . .this is a family in crisis," the Inquirer quotes O'Neill saying.

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 4:55 PM

Well said Sosmoflora, well said. I live in the heart of pats country, and its been completely sickening to listen to people try and defend his actions.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 1, 2007 4:57 PM

fish--

That's pretty shocking. Sounds like another "leave of absence" for the coach. But, why don't we go on a road trip and inspect the house for ourselves?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 4:59 PM

Vrabel got the AFC defensive player of the week award. Sorry 'bout that leg, Mike.

Posted by: dcsween | November 1, 2007 4:59 PM

Ummm ... shoulder, not leg ... oops ... p.s. not really sorry Vrabel is hurt, that was sarcasm. May his arm fall off.

Posted by: dcsween | November 1, 2007 5:01 PM

Oh, I love the 'Ugly American' - it can be so fun! To play and to see!

Posted by: shuttledik | November 1, 2007 5:01 PM

Vrabel's on the best team in the league that just beat the crap out of us (Skins). No need to apologize.

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 5:03 PM

te - not sure you want to do that. Seems like Reid's son likes to stash it all in a place where I'd rather not look for it.

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 5:05 PM

fish--

The judge said the home was the drug emporium. The rectum was merely a kiosk.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 5:07 PM

LMGO! How does one manage to stash 89 pills up there anyway? That's disturbing.

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 5:09 PM

Big rectum or small pills.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 5:09 PM

Hello I'm OH-ffical! Phew I was worried someone would have robbed me of my name.

I've been deeply neglectful of the blog - I hang my head in shame. I've been frittering away time teaching the yutes of U.S. America.

Sadly I have to go do a little more.

Posted by: sfskin | November 1, 2007 5:10 PM

bigfish- I think cL mentioned he had some interest in partying 'in there'. bung-hit?

Posted by: 4-12 | November 1, 2007 5:11 PM

mhaslup, were I to be in an ad-hominem mood I would describe you as "a cockatrice, a catchpenny peddler of grammatical minutiae, a kennetseeno griddling macer, a spalpeen."

But really I just think you're either a little misguided or deliberately contrary.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 1, 2007 5:11 PM

And, by the way, 89 was just what they found. No telling how many more he'd already sent down the other end or shared with his friends. Gives a new meaning to being a big a@@hole, doesn't it?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 5:12 PM

mhaslup, shuttledik, RedDMV, Squashmo (formerly Mike H., Dik, SkinsRealist, and cosmofla, respectively), I'm guessing you can find a way to get your name back through re-registration. Just step it back one step. Open up a free email account (gmail or hotmail or yahoo or whoever lets you open an account and has the username available), and then use THAT email address for your re-registration, which will pull your username for your identity here. The only one who seems burned is cHRis LarRY, whose blog name relies on random miscapitalization.

News/rumors say Lavernues Coles may have to sit out this week with a bad wheel.

Posted by: dcsween | November 1, 2007 5:13 PM

Well gentlefolk all, it's been something to hang out with you all today. Thankyou for allowing a meagre Fins fan the privilege of chatting with you all.

Until tomorrow.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 1, 2007 5:14 PM

correction. L. Coles with concussion, not bad wheel.

Posted by: dcsween | November 1, 2007 5:14 PM

When you think of the word you are looking for, please let me know.

Posted by: mhaslup | November 1, 2007 04:45 PM

Thanks for giving me time. I was about to say sociopath. But, upon reflection, the words just came to me: "a cockatrice, a catchpenny peddler of grammatical minutiae, a kennetseeno griddling macer, a spalpeen."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 5:14 PM

There's a name for that sort of behavior, but I can't think of it right now.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 04:33 PM

Pedantic?

Re: Brit shows...

Does anyone remember "The Young Ones?" It aired on MTV in the '80s and was one of the funniest shows ever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Young_Ones_(TV_series)

Posted by: CBT | November 1, 2007 5:15 PM

Vilma is out too.

You don't need to open up an e-mail account. I used a bogus one and it worked out just fine. I did the same for Lisa.

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 5:15 PM

No Coles AND no Vilma?!?! That would be like no Santana Moss and no Marcus Washington ... oh ... never mind. Been there, done that.

Posted by: dcsween | November 1, 2007 5:17 PM

See if Coach Bill just came out and admitted that he was running up the score (like Wyche did) then I wouldn't have a problem with it. Just pretending that you're not running up the score is pretty annoying.

Posted by: david | November 1, 2007 5:18 PM

It's true--you can make up any e/m account as long as it has @ in it. They don't check. Which begs the question, what is the point? All the trolls will be back, signing in as troll@troll.com, etc.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 5:19 PM

sween -- No Coles, no Vilma, and no Pennington. Also, no Kendall.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 5:20 PM

te - I proposed a possible solution to the problem to Cindy. Not sure if she was sincere or not but she said she would pass it along to the IT peeps.

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 5:21 PM

Vilma being out might actually be a bad thing. A lot of Jets fans feel that he has never really fit into Mangini's 3-4 system.

Vilma's replacement, a rookie (I think?) had 17 tackles and a sack last week in his first start and apparently was flying all over the place, something that Vilma hadn't been doing for a while.

Regardless, I just want the Redskins to win. Pleeeeease.

Posted by: -swb | November 1, 2007 5:22 PM

te (aren't you also a "formerly"? KK or something like that?), I think there is a limit on the number of free email providers. Plus, there is no question that trolls will be trolls and shall never perish ... its just the extra effort now required may discourage some.

Re: no Pennington, I don't think he has been the problem (except to the extent that no Kendall has resulted in a Pennington problem). So far this season, I'm liking the Kendall move like candy from heaven. Still sucks though that the Skins still can't seem to even get a left sided rushing game going.

Posted by: dcsween | November 1, 2007 5:25 PM

It's true--you can make up any e/m account as long as it has @ in it. They don't check. Which begs the question, what is the point? All the trolls will be back, signing in as troll@troll.com, etc.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 05:19 PM

LMGO - makes me wish I had created a "troll" Used ID instead of "CBT". It would be funny to see that handle become part of the community.

I say face them head on and beat them at their own game!

Posted by: CBT | November 1, 2007 5:25 PM

swb, amen. I don't care if its is an ugly squeaker or a blowout that would make Bellichek blush, all I want is another "W." It also would be nice if we didn't lose another starter to an injury that keeps him out for more than a game.

Posted by: dcsween | November 1, 2007 5:27 PM

btw, I was formerly and formally (both uses are correct here, so back off) known as "Cindy's Boy Toy."

I assume everyone already picked up on that.

Posted by: CBT | November 1, 2007 5:28 PM

72 points in the 1st quarter!!! I don't feel so bad now.

http://ballhype.com/story/kansas_high_school_football_team_smith_center_scores/

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 5:30 PM

Just out of curiosity, I wanted to check out how the troll domains were being used. Note the lovely views of Doug and Marthe's house at http://www.troll.net/

Posted by: dcsween | November 1, 2007 5:31 PM

It is nice that the trolls showed the creek, but where is the bridge?

Posted by: CBT | November 1, 2007 5:35 PM

LMGO - makes me wish I had created a "troll" Used ID instead of "CBT". It would be funny to see that handle become part of the community.

I say face them head on and beat them at their own game!

Posted by: CBT | November 1, 2007 05:25 PM

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So how long until "troll" ID shows up? Sounds like a new RI poll time.

Posted by: NCICURN | November 1, 2007 5:37 PM

CBT - I love the Young Ones!!!! I've going to dress as Vivian next time I have a fancy dress party!

Posted by: kost52 | November 1, 2007 5:39 PM

CBT, second row, in the middle.

Not to change the subject back to the Skins, but I'm ready to jump off the "Wade will do fine" bandwagon and jump onto Heyer bandwagon. Wade was a problem last week, esp. with the bad groin. He had fully movable hinges for Aaron Kampman in Green Bay BEFORE he came out with the bad groin. If Heyer's knee is well enough to play, he should be on the field this week.

Posted by: dcsween | November 1, 2007 5:41 PM

I meant I'm!

Bigfish, they mentioned that high school game on PTI (?) last night. Apparently their points for/points against so far this season is 600+/0

Posted by: kost52 | November 1, 2007 5:43 PM

Hail to the fully leaded grape!
Posted by: 4-12 | November 1, 2007 04:48 PM

and, in honor of Tom Brady, the fully leaded pencil!

Posted by: daggar | November 1, 2007 5:46 PM

This guy must not know about this blog or we would made the list.

http://paulkatcher.com/archives/000858.shtml

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 5:47 PM

Gregmarino... who the SJK knows what Bellicheat is thinking? We can all come up with our little explanations as to why we were at the end of a 52-7 spectacle (or why your team continued to dominate a clearly outmatched team), but at the end of the day we'll never really know. Bellicheat sure isn't going to hold a press conference about it. That guy lists every player he can on the weekly injury reports. He's doing everything he can to win and win big. I'm not saying I agree with my friend's logic, only that it can serve as one answer that is someone reasonable.
Probably the best argument I've heard (forgot who said it) is that Bellicheat wants to dominate everyone so as to eliminate any questions about the cheating. "You call me a cheater? How's 52-7 sound? Am I still cheating now?"
Regardless, I still think the NFL should have made BB wear a suit on game day as a punishment for his cheating.

Posted by: Dorf | November 1, 2007 5:47 PM

re: Vilma, his replacement is David Harris from Michigan... if you recall, way back in the days of the 2007 draft I had planned out a trade scenario that got us Alan Branch, David Harris, Prescott Burgess, and Tyler Ecker to form an all-Michigan team.
Sadly, the actual implementation went badly awry, and I have to apologize for the Ecker thing. In my defense, I had him as an undrafted free agent.
Anyway, Harris was the second best MLB prospect in the draft (to the 49ers' Patrick Willis). The question was whether he'd be able to adapt to the responsibility of MLB (calling the D, etc.) fast enough to be a rookie contributor. The buzz is that he has answered this question.

Posted by: daggar | November 1, 2007 5:51 PM

Belicheat would be disappointed.

"It should be noted, however, that Smith Center only went on to score 14 more points the rest of the game.

after the 1st quarter, the coach told them to run out of bounds inside the 5, hence the lack of scoring afterwards (they even kicked a field goal on 1st and goal from the 1)."

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 5:51 PM

Where's your cload, daggar?

Posted by: 4-12 | November 1, 2007 5:55 PM

"According to the Elias Sports Bureau, the number of times a woman has stopped to chat with a whistling predator who's smoking a cig and eating a baloney sandwich on his 10:30 a.m. break is 0-for-5,000,000."

These boys cover everything don't they!

Posted by: kost52 | November 1, 2007 6:00 PM

squashmo...

You do realize that most sports have their origins in violent feuding between neighboring sovereignties?

I suppose you want our military to line up in rows and wear bright red jackets and wait for the other side to loose their attacks out of respect for them.

This over course is a feeble attempt at a Mike H.

Nothing personal.

Posted by: Dorf | November 1, 2007 6:04 PM

JLC shouldn't be the beat writer.

I have no problem with a nonfan being the beat writer, but I do have a problem with a guy who hates the team and looks for every opportunity to bash them being the beat writer.

And JLC's lack of football knowledge is laughable.

Posted by: eppard03 | November 1, 2007 6:06 PM

Testing.....think I've got my old name back.....thanks Bigfish!

Posted by: Lisa | November 1, 2007 6:10 PM

"Wade will do fine" bandwagon and jump onto Heyer bandwagon.
-sween

Ha! I'm not the only one anymore. We should all wear shirts 3 sizes to small in support of playing my boy Stephon.

Posted by: LarryBud | November 1, 2007 6:10 PM

The only part about the registration that I'm lamenting is the loss on the space between my names

Posted by: LarryBud | November 1, 2007 6:11 PM

LMGO - makes me wish I had created a "troll" Used ID instead of "CBT". It would be funny to see that handle become part of the community.

I say face them head on and beat them at their own game!

Posted by: CBT | November 1, 2007 05:25 PM

It's not too late. You can still be Cindy's Boy Troll. I almost went from talent evaluator to troll evaluator. But, Jasno would never quote me in the print edition.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 6:12 PM

The only part about the registration that I'm lamenting is the loss on the space between my names

Posted by: LarryBud | November 1, 2007 6:12 PM

When JLC quotes statistics, why do people think that means he hates the team?

It's not enough to have a bunch of yes-men around saying what a great job you're doing. I think Jasno gives credit when it's due, but he raises a lot of solid points. Whether Jasno is a Skins fan or not, as a fan I personally appreciate him bringing these awful statistical trends (giving up 2nd half leads, barely throwing the ball despite a paltry running attack, an overall anemic offense, turnover ratios) to the attention of the coaches. I would like him to laminate those statistics and hang them on Al Saunders door.

THe first step to recovery is admitting there's a problem!

Posted by: Alan4 | November 1, 2007 6:14 PM

It's not too late. You can still be Cindy's Boy Troll. I almost went from talent evaluator to troll evaluator. But, Jasno would never quote me in the print edition.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 1, 2007 06:12 PM

Good idea. I will let the RI nation determine what CBT stands for from post to post.

Posted by: CBT | November 1, 2007 6:17 PM

eppard,

I too have an issue with JLC's lack of objectivity. I think he has a tendency to use quotes from sources and anecdotes and quote them as gospel.

He also has a compulsive need to feel right, not just correct, but right with respect to the blog entries. That's a problem for a journalist if it bleeds into his print work.

I'm also becoming increasingly annoyed with the use of teenage girl slang, "you guys rock!" But that's a personal peeve for me.

I will say, however, that on the whole I find his print articles basically informative and carefully written. I really had a big issue with the Heyer piece during preseason, but a blog is a place to vent and get more personal, so I'm willing to cut slack there.

Posted by: LarryBud | November 1, 2007 6:22 PM

Alright I've played this season out on Madden '08 on my PS3 and here's how it went;

First and foremost we had no significant injuries. We ended up with a record of 14-2 (already impossible). Only losses were the 1st game against the Eagles and to the Packers. Yes we beat the Pats but Tom Brady was injured.

Clinton Portis had a slow start to the season and didn't really get cranked up until midway through the year. Jason Campbell had a couple of good games but overall did not have too great of a season and led the league in INT's. Our defense was top notch and led the league in turnovers and defensive scoring.

First round bye in the playoffs. We won the Super Bowl against the Jags. Pro Bowlers included Shawn Springs, Clinton Portis, Sean Taylor and Chris Cooley.

So sub the Eagles game for the Giants, add a loss to the Pats because Brady didn't play in my game against them and there you have it. 13-3 and headed to the SB!

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 6:25 PM

Alan4,

I don't have a problem with the stats, even though the math was fuzzy here and there (59+3=61?). I have a problem with anyone that uses a quote from Sam Wyche or Joe Gibbs 1.0, right after a game no less, as though it encompasses the entire ethos of sportsmanship.

I'm not going to comment on the Wilbon thing except to say see the entry on JLC's compulsivity.

There's also a big difference between what Wyche did to a sworn enemy and proven a$$ hat like Glanville and what Belichick did to Gibbs, who he claims to respect.

Posted by: LarryBud | November 1, 2007 6:29 PM

bigfish-

Works for me!

Posted by: kost52 | November 1, 2007 6:29 PM

So, rub the magic lantern and out pops the genie to grant your three wishes.

First wish? Danny promotes Vinnie to General Manager! -- Granted.

Second wish? Vinnie fires Gibbs and gets a new coach! Granted -- Bill Parcells.

Third wish? Parcells apologizes to Jerry Jones for letting him down and forfeits two games this season to "Get the Skins ready for more important games to follow." -- Granted.

Oh, and all of you are drinking the KOOL AID. You've drunk so much that you're Stupid Skins Fans. Even your Stupid Blog requires registration because you're so stupid they don't want you crapping up their blog with your stupid thoughts.

Gotta go.

Posted by: troll | November 1, 2007 6:33 PM

Just had a read of the review on PGH. They show how the Pats used Welker as a lead blocker from the slot on running plays. Then once the run was established, because Welker had done a good job blocking on runs plays, our guys not only bit on the play action, but they avoided Welker, thinking he was blocking, which then left him wide open for the pass.

Pretty interesting stuff.

Posted by: kost52 | November 1, 2007 6:40 PM

Never heard it called a Magic Lantern before.

Posted by: kost52 | November 1, 2007 6:45 PM

Posted by: 4-12 | November 1, 2007 6:46 PM

I thought beer was a diuretic, which was part of the cause of a hangover, dehydration?

Not that I'm arguing of course!

Posted by: kost52 | November 1, 2007 6:54 PM

LarryBud,
I understand it's a different time and different coaches, but I did find the trip down memory lane interesting. There have always colorful coaches in the NFL, and sometimes it's fun to be reminded of them.

With regards to Belichick and Gibbs, I'm happy no mercy was shown. Redskin fans have suffered year after year though too many close defeats and blown halftime leads (as JLF has pointed out we're leading the NFL in blown leads over the past 4 years). Heartbreakers haven't given this team a killer instinct, so maybe a real a$$whooping will.

Remember, the last time the Redskins were thrashed like this? They lost 36-0 to the NY Giants in the 7th game, leaving them 4-3 on the season at that point. That was 2005, and they proceeded to make the playoffs (and they beat the Giants in the return game).

Whoop that a$$, wake this team up!!! Something's gotta change.

Posted by: Alan4 | November 1, 2007 6:57 PM

"Prof Garzon asked a group of students to do strenuous exercise in temperatures of around 40ºC (104ºF). Half were given a pint of beer, while the others received the same volume of water.

Prof Garzon, who announced the results at a press conference in Granada beneath a banner declaring "Beer, Sport, Health", said the hydration effect in those who drank beer was "slightly better"."

Not only that, but they were a hell of a lot more happier!

Posted by: kost52 | November 1, 2007 7:00 PM

Alan4 - I agree, I was no where near as upset after the Pats game, compared to the Giants or Packers games!

Posted by: kost52 | November 1, 2007 7:01 PM

Alan4 - I don't know if you read the article JustMe posted yesterday, but it talked about how the team were using it as a wake up call. I'll see if I can find it.

Posted by: kost52 | November 1, 2007 7:05 PM

Posted by: kost52 | November 1, 2007 7:06 PM

After reading this quote from Smoot, the biggest thing I'm worried about this weekend (other than getting a win) is that he is pushing himself to come back too soon and he ends up injuring himself even more. I'm hoping that we get to see a lot of those young guys like Torrence and Eubanks not to mention the vet Macklin. Don't push Smoot too much yet.


"With Rogers out, Smoot is putting pressure on himself to get back. He expects to play in this Sunday's game against the New York Jets.

"I have to get healthy, point blank," Smoot said. "It's important for me to get back." "


http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=30907

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 7:11 PM

Kost,
I hadn't seen the article... thanks for the link!

Alan

Posted by: Alan4 | November 1, 2007 7:11 PM

Talent Evaluator,

Wonderful. Very original.

And I would describe you as an acronym for a Cantankerous, Uneducated, Niggardly Twit.

Niggardly in terms of your respect for others, of course.

Posted by: mhaslup | November 1, 2007 7:16 PM

I don't appreciate that remark. Yes we know the real meaning of that word but no one uses it in that aspect anymore. You sir are nothing but a fool.

Posted by: bigfish | November 1, 2007 7:19 PM

bigfish it worries me as well. I was saying yesterday that I think we should give him an extra week off. With Coles being out, I think our DB's will cope without him. But if he re-aggravates it, and is gone long term, his absence will hurt when we play pass happy teams, such as Philly, the following week.

Posted by: kost52 | November 1, 2007 7:21 PM

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