hammies!

Santana James Lloyd

Has there been a Wayne sighting now that CP ripped off 200 yards?

JLC is right on the leash thang for those two QB'

I saw the Ravens game where Clemens was starting his first game.

It's not about Jets with 1-7 record. he was given the same type of open playbook even against the Ravens early in the season.

Re Cindy's chat. Can someone explain to me what exactly Westbrook has done to make everyone want to make him active at DB? Yes he has a brother that is a Pro Bowl RB but we all know how the whole sibling experiment went with LBP.

I think if Campbell starts hitting the receivers better and stops fumbling, then they lengthen his leash, whatever that means.

Anyone else get the impression Sunday that Kellen Clemens already has a longer leash than JC? Now, sure, the Jets are 1-8 and they had nothing to lose so you go a little more all out, but in just his second start Clemens was getting to go hurry up more, he was in the shotgun a ton, they were putting the ball in his hands and letting him try to make plays. Again, the Jets don't have two highly paid running backs like the Skins and I get all of that, but I just found the contrasts kind of stunning.

You answered your own question. One team is 1-8 and have nothing really to play for. JLC you dislike for this team is really getting old my friend.

I have been saying it for a while we need to get a tall WR to help in the passing game.

bigfish--

It's wishful thinking. The best player is always the one who's not on the field. Execept for Brunnell, of course.

You don't think being told "it's all in your hands, you run the offense" would give Jason a psychological boost then 'TheTalentEvaluator'?

I think he's being hamstrung by the lack of confidence shown in him at the moment. He's not really in charge, and the one thing I understand about football is that the quarterback MUST be in charge when the offense is on the field.

If you don't just let the guy play and find his groove, how will you ever know what you have?

That's funny Jason, because I was just thinking "what could we be doing differently to be more like the Jets." I think you hit the nail on the head. Next year, maybe they'll listen to you and we, too, can start 1-9.

Westbrook has a lot of athleticism. That's why people like him. More than Torrence or, at this point, Macklin. Very good at playing the ball. I'd like to see him get a shot as the 4th corner as well. Needs to work on his tackling though and hopefully that is what he's been doing on the practice squad.

looking around for Lisa. "The best player is always the one who's not on the field. Execept for Brunnell, of course". I agree with you 100% on that one.

JM, how could you interpret that as negative?
I think it's a valid contrast to make. It's not a dig against Jason, but it's a legitimate question to ask the coaches.

I know I may sound like a homer for saying this, but we could still end up at 13-3 for the regular season! What do you think Redskin faithful??? Also, Mr. Snyder: plz extend Sean Suisham for another year before we lose him in free agency.....THX!

You answered your own question. One team is 1-8 and have nothing really to play for. JLC you dislike for this team is really getting old my friend.

Posted by: jm220 | November 5, 2007 02:49 PM

Your dislike for JLC is really getting old too.

See the comment about Jets-Ravens. Clemens was given a longer leash than Campbell ever was in his first start. Has nothing to do with the 1-7 record. When Clemens started against the Ravens, the Jets were 0-1 and playing 2nd game of the season.

One last point about JC. With that line hell I don't want him dropping back a lot. He took some shots yesterday.

jm220,

Jasno is from Baltimore and, as such, was raised to have an inferiority complex when it comes to Washington, especially in sports. He can't help it, he doesn't even notice it, it is how he was raised.

You just have to read between the lines of his subconscious agenda. I would like someone with his reporting skills, a little more football knowledge, and more neutrality. That said, I will take Jasno over a fan of the team (myself included) any day.

mmz114 you must be new. Since joining the blog I have been one of JLC biggest defenders. But the last couple of months his dislike for the front office/team has really taken some of the joy out of the blog.

mmz114,

Uh...how'd that Ravens game work out for the Jets?

Westbrook has a lot of athleticism. That's why people like him. More than Torrence or, at this point, Macklin. Very good at playing the ball. I'd like to see him get a shot as the 4th corner as well. Needs to work on his tackling though and hopefully that is what he's been doing on the practice squad.

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 5, 2007 02:51 PM

Where have you had the chance to see this? He's only played in the preseason against other players like him who are either on a practice squad or selling insurance right about now. The staff has done a wonderfull job in identifying young talent on the D so if he was doing better than Torrence or Eubanks I think he'd be playing right now.

LiberalMike last year and even over the summer it just seemed that his work wasn't so negative.

Redcoat--

I think they watch him every day in practice, and that's how they know what they've got.

As for "big psychological boost" I'd have to know the man much better than you or I do. It's not clear-cut. It might be too much pressure to have it all riding on him.

One thing's for sure: whatever the coaches decide -- who know him better and see him more -- they're sure to get criticized on this blog for not having made the opposite decision.

Soup hasn't been that great since the Detroit game. Some of that is the handcuffs some of that is on him.

Bigfish ref LBW.

It's called the Fudge'ems phenomenon. It runs rampant with skins fans. Who isn't on the field must be better than any player on the field.

mmz114,

Uh...how'd that Ravens game work out for the Jets?

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 5, 2007 02:57 PM

Works out with the Jets losing on the last play of the game after the recievers dropped 3 passes in the end zone that should have been caught for TDs.

Not unlike the drop in OT that would have put the Jets in FG range to beat the Redskins.

You know...a QB giving his team a chance to WIN!!!

Bigfish,

Saw him play in college (I'm a Salisbury grad). Also, from the preseason (although that is a limited sample). And from Williams's and players' comments (whatever that is worth).

I'm not saying he's better than Torrence or Eubanks, just that he seems to have more athleticism (read: speed and quickness). His tackling was not NFL-ready in the preseason and that has to be the main thing putting him behind those two. I'm sure its justified, I'm not saying it isn't.

What QB in the league truly has control over what plays are run other than BBM? Every other QB gets the plays called in from the sideline just like we do. On that note, has anyone seen Soup call an audible this year?

"You know...a QB giving his team a chance to WIN!!!"

Clemens also had multiple interceptions that day, so maybe they would not have been losing in the first place if they rained him in and played smart a-la-Gibbs.

If Campbell did not give us a "chance" to win this week, how is it that we did win? By definition he (and all the other players) must have given us a "chance."

At the risk of derailing everything I'd like to compare contrast two things.

Last year both Dallas and Washington's offenses were going off the rails. Washington in both cases largely because of poor quarterback play.

The Big Fat Tuna's response was to put Romo in and let him loose. He told him to learn fast and not make mistakes twice but let him run the offense full speed from the get-go. He needed to find out if they were going to have to get a new QB after the season or not. Everyone knows how the season ended for them but at least it ended in the post-season, with no doubt as to the identity of the starting QB this season.

JJG's response was to seemingly 'grudgingly' put Jason on the field and immediately pare-down the playbook to "take the snap and hand it off to Ladell" for as many plays as possible.

Everyone expected this year to be different after a full off-season of coaching on Jason's technical flaws, many of which came as a surprise when he got on the field last year. Jason looked more poised at the start of the season, even looking good when scrambling, but to my non-expert eyes, looks less and less confident as the season has continued. He has some natural gifts which allow Washington to broaden and lengthen the field of play but they are seldom used and when they are used, if it doesn't work 100%, they aren't seen again in that game. And now the Redskins have announced their annual "give a running back a 1,000 yard season" drive where the instructions to Jason will be "take the snap and hand it off to Clinton/Ladell".

Does anyone here see a fundamental difference in philosophies here?

You just can't play football this conservatively and hope to win often enough to make a good season because you are playing against guys who ARE prepared to risk more in order to improve their chances of winning.

Jason Campbell may or may not be a very good quarterback, but there appears to be a diminishing possibility that Gibbs will ever be able to set aside his risk-aversion enough to find out. That's a shame.

Cindy's chat is hilarious.

Michael Wilbon: Boy, I don't know that I'm the model for discussion...I get too worked up, for sure. Anyway, I've long bought into the philosophy expressed by some coaches that "first you win, then you get good." Bobby Ross was the coach I first heard talk it, and I buy into it 100 percent. The Lions won a couple of games, now have won a couple convincingly, and now are confident they can't be stopped...They're good now. Let me tell you the one team the Redskins wouldn't want to see in a first-round playoff game...the DE-troit Lions.

A quick look at 17's numbers 2007
Games 8
Att 227
Comp 133
% 58.6
Yds 1520
yds per pass 6.7
TD-Int 6-7
Raiting 74.8

He is averaging 16-17 out of 28 for 190 yds and less then 1 TD a game.

With a strong running game I don't think thats too bad. but we have seen to manny games lately where he is not even getting past 150 yds. Obviously it would be nice to see him in the endzone more. But there needs to be some creativity in getting the pass game going.

Wilbon may want to take a look at our game against the Lions before saying something stupid like that. I thought he was better than that.

Look at the make shift line and you might get your answers. Jets had like what one sack coming into yesterday game and got one on JC and he took a couple hard hits as well. With this line I am not sure it would be a good idea to open up the O and get him hurt. Once that happens I am sure JLC and some of you that are calling for Gibbs let JC play will be blasting Gibbs.

Redcoat,

How many years was Romo on the bench before he played? Look, what's Gibbs record with making silk qb's out of sows' ears? Give the guy the benefit of the doubt on this one -- Campbell hasn't really shown much lately that would make me think he's ready for more responsibility.

I really wish some of you (including Jason) would just take a view and stick with it. The going whatever way the wind blows shows no heart.

Romo's career record against the Redskins anyone? Anyone?

This has been the same story week after week, season after season...a team stuck in dismal mediocrity handicapped by a coaching staff that is abnormally, disfunctionally fixated on not making mistakes. Even if the Skins end up in the playoffs this year, this is a franchise that has flat-lined.

Giants stop betts on the goalline - why wasn't portis playing

Portis struggles behind tattered o-line a couple weeks - why isn't betts playing

Big game for Randel El - why can't we run it better

Big game for Portis - why can't we pass it better

Glad I'm not Gibbs.

I don't think so much it has anything with the coaches knowing what they have in JC as it is a mental thing with Campbell knowing that Gibbs stresses conservative and not making turnovers to the point it impacts him just playing the game and making plays that he can with his off season work and understanding of the offense and just overall talent.
So many times Campbell seems to make the safe throw short of the sticks and kill a drive instead of the winning throw that he can make downfield, but fear that his actions could be the ones that cause that turnover to lose the game. Believe it or not there are other people out on these routes and those throws in the flat are quick first read and have become a predictable read for D's, the linebackers are all over that play in the flats.
Is it safe to say that if us as fans can read into Gibbs comments and philosophy that JC can as well. Gibbs since he has been back has stressed the QB and turnovers that it very well could have impacted each one of our QB's. JC has much more athleticism and ability than the others, but the offense and reads and effectiveness are all similar in execution.
If Gibbs believes his defense can hold and that is his reasoning for going conservative, believe in your quarterback to make plays and if he makes a mistake your defense can still bail him out, instead of the defense bailing us out and hoping another team does not execute we have seen it week after week NFL teams can execute in a tight game and continue to make plays.

They only loosen the leash on Campbell when they've dug themselves a hole. See Giants game. But he showed them that he can bring his team back See Giants game again. He made some unbelievable throws in that game, my point being that they need to put him in that position before digging themselves a hole. That is if the receivers catch the ball. Against the Eagles and Lions he was given some leeway as well. It's just that for some reason, the coaching staff keeps going back and slapping the cuffs on him for some odd reason. If he goes out there and throws 3 picks, fine, but he hasn't done so. It seemed he had more leeway last year than this year. That's strange...

"Giants stop betts on the goalline - why wasn't portis playing"

This question is still legit IMO.

JM, the way I saw Jason play earlier in the season if he's allowed to go out of the pocket (if need be) he wouldn't be taking all these hits!

The passing plays they run are constraining your QB's natural gifts. Why would you do that willingly?

bigfish - I think it was a legit question as well, but a lot of the same people were pleading form the team to feature betts two weeks later and saying portis was done.

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Giants stop betts on the goalline - why wasn't portis playing

Portis struggles behind tattered o-line a couple weeks - why isn't betts playing

Big game for Randel El - why can't we run it better

Big game for Portis - why can't we pass it better

Glad I'm not Gibbs.

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 5, 2007 03:19 PM

The only beef I have with Portis has been his costly Fumbles in 2007. I have zero beef with him as a runner. In fact, I HATE betts for tripping in the backfield against the Giants.

People keep calling for Betts based on last year. This year Betts has done less than nothing.

Portis makes the tougher yards and blocks better...his only problem this year were the fumbles.

The problem with Gibbs is that he doesn't have the hogs to run it down opponents throat like in 2005 and go on a 6 game winning streak. This year he has 3 Hogs and 2 Piglets. Not 5 Hogs like in 2005.

We will find out against Philly when Jimmy Johson calls a lot of run blitzes how that running game responds.

RickyBobby - what's the significance of that?

Bigfish not sure if you was one of the people last week that was calling for Betts and saying CP was done. I am sure Betts would have broken for at 350 yards yesterday since he hits the hole much faster than CP

jm, I was the one putting up an argument for CP and blaming the ruching woes on the o-line. I don't think you'll find me saying start Betts in place of Portis.

ruching=rushing. Whatever.

Wasn't bigfish

For one I would like to see Campbell be able to go for 300 3 TD

JM, I was one of the people who thought it might be a good game to give Betts a try and use Portis as the change-up back to get both of them running better. It's no coincidence that Portis' two best games have come against the two worst run D's in the NFL, so what does that prove either way?

I saw nothing from NYJ's non-existent run defense that says that Betts couldn't have been successful as well. AS successful as Portis? Who knows. Betts hasn't done much this year, but he also hasn't had the carries. You'll have a better idea if Portis is back if he keeps running free like he did yesterday.

I say he probably gets sub 100yds and 0 TDs, care to take the over? BTW, I still think you'll probably beat the Iggles next week as they won't stop Cooley!!

Sorry, loseable type lost part of my post!

"You'll have a better idea if Portis is back if he keeps running free like he did yesterday against Philadelphia."

Campbell hasn't been what one might call accurate on ANY of his throws recently. Maybe that's part of the reason for the conservative game plan. Turning him loose at this point might be a total disaster.

Let him earn the right to throw more passes by hitting some receivers in stride and not overthrowing the long ball. Then again, the WRs haven't made a ton of great plays on the ball to bail him out, either.

Redcoat,

I think the JC thing is because at the beginning of the year he felt like the offense would go and the running game would get the first downs so he had less pressure.

Now I think he feels like if he misses one throw it could ruin the drive (and game). Alot more added pressure.

I do agree thought, in the beginning of the year he seemed to let his ability go and now he appears to be thinking too much.

I think Gibbs forget that you can't go 3 and out and run out the clock with 10 minutes left in the 4th quarter.

This bit him in the ass against the Jets...who were one dropped pass away from beating him.

This bit him in the ass against Cardinals who missed a long FG to win it.

In the cardinals game...Campbell made one Throw in the 4th quarter...a long bomb to....THRASH. who promptly dropped it like its a hot potato.

Kudos on a road win. Road wins are rarely easy. And on being 5-3.

But as for smash mouth football -- NO!!! We've had 2 games where smash mouth has "worked". Jets and Fins. Both OT games. And mind you, the Jets and Fins would both be winless if they didn't play each other!!! If your best smash mouth games only gets you into OT against the worst teams, its not a great plan. The Skins need to let Campbell step up, give him a chance to get into a groove and see what he can bring.

As for the defense, I've said all year that the biggest issue is going to be whether Griffin is healthy. When he doesn't play, the defense clearly isn't as good.

Liberal,

The significance? To homers who would let Dan Snyder poop on their face, nothing. To realists who have been bent over backwards by a lying owner, everything.

Visiting team returns for an Eagles game???? They are 2 hours up the road and represent down here all the time.

The ticket lies and propaganda are close to coming full circle. I can't wait for the day this @ss hat has to either drop ticket prices or apologize to his fans to get them to come back?

Alex
Yeah right. That would mean straying away from "Redskins Football" You know running on third and long, throwing 2 yard outs on third and 3 and throwing deep to your slowest receiver. It would mean taking chances down the field and showing confidence in your young QB. How dare you talk such blasphemy!!

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It was the Salmon Mousse.... I'm sorry, I meant SeanTizzy2DaHizzy who was pushing Betts as a change-for-change's-sake solution.
Of course, it was the infamous Wayne "P" that thought Portis was done. Here's hoping he returns and starts bashing Moss and Randle El next.

RB, calling people who want to go to support their team "homers who would let Dan Snyder poop on their face" is a bit much.

It's not as simple as "be realistic about how Snyder is ripping us off" or "let Snyder crap on you" is it? Snyder controls access to the ONLY Washington Redskins team there is. You don't have the choice to go watch another one, there isn't one. It's his field, his ball, and his players.

If you don't like it, you either put up with it or you don't have anything to do with them. I would suggest that the "put up with its" outnumber the otehrs 100/1 but that doesn't matter to Snyder, because they all still have to pay him to get in any way.

Insulting people like that is hardly going to rally people to your cause. Teams are (mostly) permanent, owners are transient. Stop giving Snyder such sway over your life and just get on with supporting your team with all your energies.

I know, I know. ITA on this post.....

mmz
That's the most frustrating aspect of Gibbs. It's that he doesn't seem to learn from his mistakes or he can't remember his mistakes. I for one was shouting "Not again!!" when he ran the ball on third and long. Somebody needs to slap him upside the head to get his memory in gear again cause it's getting comical. Gibbs philosophy: If it didn't work in the past, try, try again and hold your breath at the end of the game.

Actually RB...you know the Homers won't let Danny poop on their face.

It's Joe Gibbs they want pooping on their faces then they will blame Danny anytime Redskins lose because Gibbs is infallible.

RickyBobby, let's be realistic. Snyder bends them over forwards...

Actually I think the latest play-calling at the Redskins was designed by Microsoft Engineers - Diddy can probably confirm that.

You simply perform the same failing actions again and again, expecting a positive outcome

Play book page 1: "Press Ctrl + Alt + Delete repeatedly until the play works"

daggar -- Nice one.

mmz
That's the most frustrating aspect of Gibbs. It's that he doesn't seem to learn from his mistakes or he can't remember his mistakes.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 5, 2007 03:49 PM

Gibbs is incapable of change or adapting to the current NFL.

It's what made Parcells realize he needed to retire.

Question is will Gibbs be smart enough to retire after this year or is getting another 5 million more important next year.

RickyBobby,

Calm down a little buddy. I'm just not sure I understand what you are saying.

For each game, the home team provides a certain number of tickets to the visiting team to offer to their players or to sponsers, etc. They also have to give a certain number to the networks for the same thing. I've gotten these e-mails in the past and I'd always thought they were just the tickets that got returned. I could see them not all getting used.

That said, the waiting list is a joke. The available tickets go to the people who will spend $4,000 to join the Touchdown Club or the Tailgate Club or whatever its called for the right to eat cold hotdogs, crappy ribs, and buy season tickets. Nobody moves up the waiting list.

Snyder will never have to lower prices or apologize to fans. It will always be a sell out. They could go 0-16. Wouldn't matter.

Thank you RedCoat for your faithful dedication to our civility.

I would just revert to the trailerpark without it.

Hail!

RickyBobby can you help me out as I'm often confused.

Are you part of the "People's Front of Judea" or are you in the "Judean People's Front"?

Redcoat,

Come on, man. I'm not insulting ALL Redskins fans. I'm insulting the 2% of fans that think Snyder and the team are GODS... that they can do no wrong and that people should be executed if they talk bad about them, like we are in Singapore or something.

As far as letting him control MY LIFE, are you serious? I blog here occasionally because I'm a diehard REDSKINS fan and I like venting/being funny. You're a Dolphins fan and you're on this board day and night, bro. Let's just not even go there.

mmz114,

Gibbs has plenty of money. thats not why he stays. he is trying to turn things around. are things better than when he got here? I think they are.

JM, I agree with you, when you're 1-7, you don't have much to lose, so you take the training wheels off much more so than you would with a team that is possibly vying for the playoffs. I mean, we did win yesterday didn't we? This does go down in the "W" column right? Yeah, would I have rather that we blew them out, 45-0, sure, there aren't many fans who wouldn't wish that, but when you get past all the other stuff, it still comes down to wins, and losses. They won.

Their line is banged up, their receivers are banged up, but people don't know why they aren't passing more? I don't get its such a mystery that we're running more than passing.

I wouldn't be too sure... there's a lot of pressure to keep the biggest stadium in the NFL full, with ticket prices out of the range for most people. It's not like Snyder's other properties are going gangbusters.

4-12.

What's that? Um... So I, uh... Ahh. D'ahh... AHEM!

mmz114,

Gibbs has plenty of money. thats not why he stays. he is trying to turn things around. are things better than when he got here? I think they are.

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 5, 2007 03:58 PM

Are you sure about that? His NASCAR team is 3rd or 4th best at best. I have no clue whether he makes moeny from his Nascar venture or actually loses money.

Afternoon all;

One thing I saw was 3 step drops and slants.

JC is almost like Brunell in the fact that he likes to have his feet moving and he likes to have one target to throw to.

When we do 7-8 step, play-action fakes drops, and JC has to whirl his eyes around,find his progressions and he gets a case of happy arm and overthrows, underthrows etc.

The slants are one man routes, if they jump it he has a bail out route. Deep posts are one man routes with a bail out.

I dont know if it is the coaches being too conservative, or not trusting his progressions fully. But they pare down his game to two reads and then scramble.

Maybe they dont feel confident in opening it up to him. We dont see him in practice everyday. But we are 5-3.

Hopefully our D can stop Westbrook from catching 10 yard over the middle dump offs, cause the Pats showed the NFL how to kill us with those and slants. I think we will see a lot of Kevin Curtis this week.

Getting Deangelo Hall next year I think would be a good move. Does anybody know if he'll be a free agent or is he still under contract. He's not a top flight CB, but he's better than most and a solid tackler. Then in the draft, 1st round: OL, 2nd round: DL, 3rd round: WR or another OL.

The PFLJ? Bloody Splitters!

My impression yesterday was that once Soups got a couple runs and medium throws, he seemed to warm up and get more comfortable. That may be simply because he was completing the passes.

I feel like his big arm needs to air it out a few times to warm him up. That miss to Moss - how many times have we seen that? I assume they practice during the week so is it Soups freaking out a bit and hurling it too soon?

Finally I agree on stories about WRs. Yesterday I felt like I saw Thrash running the motion as only WR 5-6 times in second half. How is that a strategy? Put ARE and Moss out there to at least pretend you aren't going to run.

What's that? Um... So I, uh... Ahh. D'ahh... AHEM!

Posted by: 4-12 | November 5, 2007 03:59 PM

See you next season, dude.

***Formerly known as E in VB***

None of that is good news at all...

Our CB's are sropping like flies... Rogers gone! Smoot might as well be gone because his hammy thing is skethcy!

Where in the world is David Macklin? Are Leigh Torrence and Eubanks really better than him or is he in the doghouse for something too...

F BLloyd... BAMF! THIEF!!!!

I think we will see a lot of Kevin Curtis this week.
Posted by: Zebraskins | November 5, 2007 04:01 PM

Where do you think we will see him dropping passes?

Liberal,

Not yelling at you at all. Snyder just gets me fired up... I mean, he controls my life and all, right RC?

Anyway, the visiting team returns stuff is complete BS. They are returns from stub hub that even they couldn't sell.

Don't you find it odd that there are returns for every home game??? Especially against the Eagles who are up the road and represent on the road very well down here?

Again, none of this is directed at you, but I find it strange that so many people are completely content with Snyder bending everyone "forward"... good point, daggar.

Then in the draft, 1st round: OL, 2nd round: DL, 3rd round: WR or another OL.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 5, 2007 04:01 PM

ga8085--Eight more games to play and you're picking the draft? Shouldn't we wait to see how the season turns out? Might our needs change between now and then -- injuries, and all that?

Pass on DeAngelo Hall. Dude is a malcontent in the mold of Lloyd.

If Tennessee can win with that God-awful passing game we should be able to as well. The Skins kind of remind me of the Titans a bit, they just have a better D.

on one of the Jets WR drops yesterday, the Moose commented "ah, see, he turned his head to see where he was going to go before catching it".... I thought, "no, he's turning his head to see where the train is coming from"... unfortunately, it was only the Smoot train.
Which is more like a small, floating train that provides entertainment to NFL players on Northern lakes. Not that there's anything wrong with that!

No update from J-La on the BLloyd situation. What does everyone thing will happen with this guy? I mean other than us cutting him the moment that it becomes financially feasible for the team.

LiberalMike,

RickyBobby does not seem to recognize a marketing ploy - which all teams do. I get the same email. The game could be SOLD OUT and we would still get the emails...it's what marketing departments do.

Can't understand why RickyBobby has to share this with us EVERY SINGLE TIME - and gripe about it all the time. If you are new to the blog, Liberal, I can promise you RickyBobby will send out that email before every home game - mark it down.

True daggar;

My latest season predictions

1/11 vs. Eagles W
11/18 @ Cowboys L
11/25 @ Buccaneers W (because we have had luck there recently)
12/2 vs. Bills W
12/6 vs. Bears W
12/16 @ Giants L
12/23 @ Vikings L
12/30 vs. Cowboys W

10-6

talent evaluator & cdubb
I'm always looking ahead, and seeing how Springs might not come back and the O line being injured all the time, why not? Even if we finish 13-3 (yeah right) I would still be looking for needs that would make us that much better. I live in ATL and Hall is not in the Lloyd dept if you ask me. I think he had a right to complain about the situation with Petrino. But like most players, put him on a team thats trying to win and already has a solid nucleus I don't think he would cause many problems. See TO and Randy Moss.

Greg--

I think Lloyd is out of professional football. What team would want to take a chance on him -- even at the vet minimum? He's amassed some nice coin and I think he loafs for the rest of his life.

Whoops, it has been pointed out that there in fact is something wrong with that.
But it's only a misdemeanor!

I will be surprised if LLoyd doesn't get the Keyshawn treatment and just deactivated for the rest of the year since we can not cut him til June. He is giving us nothing anyway and since he is obviously comfortable with stealing money no reason to keep him around to poison other players.

ga8085--

Doesn't it make a difference to you whether you're drafting 5th, 15th, or 25th? And doesn't it also depend on what the talent pool looks like?

I think the NFL draft is one of the great joys of the off-season, but damn it sure doesn't seem relevant after the 8th game.

TA, agreed. I just don't see how ANYONE signs this POS.

As far as next weeks game, it seemed like Owens and Whitten were running free all game long, and the backs had room to run as well.

Obsolescence rulz!
Off-season talk drulz!

Go there if you want RB. It's just a blog, you won't hurt my feelings. I don't know you and you don't know me, so why would I give much credence to your opinion of me as a person? I certainly feel no need to justify any time I spend here to you or anyone else.

If there's humour in your posts I miss it every time, so I'm not quite sure I see where the 'being funny' comes into it. But then I probably have no sense of humour so maybe that's it.

If you're posting here to put the Snyder 2% to rights, I suggest you're in the wrong place, wouldn't redskins.com or extremeskins or whatever it is be the right place?

All I was suggesting was that if you are genuinely trying to get people to support your cause you'd do a better job if you don't constantly start your statements by insulting their intelligence.

greg;

do we know when B-Dawk will be back... or is he back already

TE
Well I'm guessing that the Skins will have a pick no lower than 17 or 18 this year. Armed with that awesome knowledge, I would guess that those positions would be our greatest need. I mean come on, we all pretty much know what positions the Skins are weakest at. It's not like their going to go out and draft a QB or RB. Whether they trade up or down is a different discussion but what does it hurt to speculate during the season. I mean there was a lot of speculation that the Cowboys would go after McFadden next year. See my point?

Stupid Posting issues. Round 3:

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=262771

4-12--

You know, a lot of us have changed our handles because of registration. You could show up as "perpetual_pessimist" or something like that and blame it on Cindy or Jasno. Or you could claim that someone stole it from you. You'd be much more credible than "4-12".

Never mind. I'm really not a talent_evaluator, I think dcsween lives in Des Moines, and bangkokben actually just hurt his privates when he walked into a doorknob.

RB

Tell me again why we are talking about how many tickets get resold? If your point is that Danny is a Dik, I don't think you'll find that anyone will disagree with you. So what exactly is the point of all this?

ga--You're right. I'm being a pr1ck. Sorry.

Zeb, he was back last night, but for a limited number of plays during the game. He ended up with 2 tackles total for the game.

"The Redskins are essentially renting Portis for the rest of this season. His salary cap increase next year means Portis has eight games remaining locally. The Redskins might as well gas him out before finding another runner."

That was from examiner.com. If that's true, Betts will be the man next year no matter how Portis plays this season.

Is zebraskins the blogger formerly known as zebra?

Betts the man? Maybe the FO will trade Sean Taylor and a second-round pick to Denver for an elite RB.

Apropos of nothing in particular, did anyone else think that Trent Cole against Flozell Adams last night was nothing short of comical?

I saw one play where Cole was down on his knees and Adams just had one huge hand on top of his head stopping him from getting up again.

Maybe they can give Kendall elevator boots or something so that he can treat Cole like that this week?

ST2DH,

I thot we were cool - & then ya gotta go & use my name to describe the Danny.

Yech - now I gotta go shower.

Also anyone think Shanahan feels quite so smug about chasing Plummer out of town now?

TE
Anything's possible with this front office. But think about it, maybe Betts had that inside knowledge before he decided to resign with the Skins knowing it would be his turn next year for good. I mean how many players resign with their team knowing they won't start when they could go somewhere else and have the limelight? Just something to ponder...

Nice use of "hot read"

- Jeremy from Wedding Crashers

ga8085, if that Examiner article was written by Rick Snider, please ignore it. He is a snarly viper who knows nothing and makes JLC look tame. All he does is put down the Skins.

SFSkin, You nailed it perfectly. Campbell does need to warm up by throwing early in the game. Get used to game speed in the first quarter. Its no good to throw deep once and hope it works. Look at Brady yesterday. First time he goes deep it gets picked. But by the 4th quarter, he is in rhythm, hits two perfect deep balls to set up TDs.

Skins need to let Campbell throw about 7 deep passes in a game, not 1.

While we're talking about Clinton not being here next year, can we also talk about the 'cap-hell' that we're going to be in as well.

These conversations are alway's so amusing.

Hey, I got me as many TD catches as all the rest of the WRs on this entire team COMBINED!!! Man, time to get me a big raise.
XOXOXOX
Brandon

Yep Redcoat;

It is my login to the skins wiki as well.

Did Farstriker abandon his ballad after the Arizona game?

I miss Farstriker!

Good to see you again zee. I think we're in need of your 'flags' again.

Haikuman too!

let 'em all know it's safe to come back now. Trolls under control.

FYI - Redcoat. Trent Cole was leading the NFL in sacks going into yesterday. Hopefully Samuels will handle him with as much ease.

LOL It was by Rick Snider. But the article overall was a positive one about the Skins.

The two things Joe Gibbs has performed poorly for this team is give away draft picks and underestimate the impact of the cap.

The cap mgmt has led to some bad decisions and pushed some able players away from DC.

And Gibbs has drafted pretty well, but giving away picks is a bit like playing away from your strength.

If you take away year the big year 1 decisions in personnel, trading Bailey for Portis and getting Brunell for way too much, Gibbs has done reasonably well. A couple of disasters, but mostly good calls. Thing is, year one set us back a long way.

I knew that, but what amazed me was that Flozell completely neutralized him in the game so easily. Hopefully Samuels can do that for you guys cdubb.

Is it Carter who matches up against Adams in the Skins/Gowgrrls games? That will be an interesting matchup to watch as well!

POsitive flag on the play;

for the trolls going bye bye... although I did notice someone a couple of days ago saying the same sentance under 5 different usernames. So they can still make life hell, but at least they cant use our exact name.

ZZ1,

Are you foghattin' BLloyd??! egads, man.

Zeeb, if someone wants to go to all that trouble, I almost want to let them! ahhahahahaha

At least we still have troll stompin boots.

Now isn't this lovely? Bunch of sorry Skinnies fans sitting around blogging about how bad their team is and how they're never going to win antoher game. WAAAAWWAAAAAAHHHAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA. First they're going to lose the Fullulfia and then they gotta go face the Cowboys where probably most of the players will end up in the hospital or getting their buts kicked by tough cowgirls at Coyote Ugly. May not even show up for the game once they've been there. WAAAAWWAAAAAAHHHAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA. After that, why even play out the rest of the schedule because we all know how it's going to end -- 5-11.

Until you get rid of all the cancers -- Snyder, Perrato, Gibbs, and all the rest -- you will always be looking up to DALLAS COWBOYS, America's Team. We got Romo, you got Nomo. You got nothing. WAAAAWWAAAAAAHHHAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Something to think about when managing your way out of cap h*ll is that you HAVE to do it through the draft.

First round aside, if you make a mkistake in the draft it doesn't usually kill your cap to rectify it. If you make a mistake with an FA it almost always affects the cap badly to put it right.

That goes against the prevailing Redskins sentiment of 'win soonest' which in theory is accomplished by finding proven players in FA.

To be fair all teams want to win soonest, but SOMEone in the organization has to have the power to say "we have to manage the cap respectfully or it will drag us to a standstill eventually". We've had the same issues in Miami but with cap spend skewed to the defense instead of the offense, so good luck to you guys on fixing it.

Let me get this right. Not only do we blame Gibbs for bad playcalling, clock management, not letting JC throw, etc. but now we also blame him for managing the cap, trading away draft picks and signing expensive free agents? What do we blame Vinny and Danny for?

What do we blame Vinny and Danny for?

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 04:56 PM

Hiring Gibbs?

For you RC from PFT.

"POSTED 4:28 p.m. EST, November 5, 2007

DOLPHINS STICK WITH CLEO LEMON by Michael David Smith

As the Miami Dolphins come off their bye and prepare to play the Buffalo Bills Sunday, coach Cam Cameron announced today that Cleo Lemon will remain the Dolphins' starting quarterback for at least another week."

bigfish, I think Gibbs picks up all responsibility as President of the team. Now if he had a GM to hand it off to....

If Cerrated were good enough he should be in charge, but actually he gets the best of both world's because he only "proposes" acquisitions on the playing front. No accountability - must be a great job to have!!

Meh, I'm just not convinced that this cap is as "hard" as it's made out to be. It's quite a few years into the cap what 12-15 years now and other than that San Fran team I haven't seen a team that had to blow up there team to get under.

If you are willing to spend a bunch of money up front to renogotiate contracts you can manipulate the cap.

Oh crap. thanks bigfish. I'm going to go and get acquainted with 0-9 now then.

What do we blame Vinny and Danny for?

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 04:56 PM

Hiring Gibbs?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 04:57 PM

HUAH!!!

Well, for a while there - we really were 'just a piece away' by conventional logic. They just made some really horrendous decisions. Ok - a TON of horrendous decisions.

I know were are going to pay for the latest mistakes for a while, but we've minimized that to a degree (thank you Carter & ARE) and are at least getting some value for our ivestment now.

The drafts have been going well for what we have. Let's continue that and in two years, in Gibbs last season - make a run for the Stuperbowel! It CAN be done. Hopefully these are the guys to do it!

Alright - I'm gonna go home and shower all the loser Lloyd love & Gibbs hate bile offn' mah Troll Stompin' Boots.

You kiids have a nice evening.

10-6 Hail!

Guys,

Take a breath and enjoy, for heavens sake! Anyone remember '06? Go back and look at the schedule Minnesota, Tennessee, Tampa, Atlanta, and Philly (2nd game). That's five games they lost that they could have won. This year they have won four they could have lost. Good teams find a way to win, bad teams find a way to lose. They aren't going to Arizona in Feb. but 5-3 looks great. Let's see what happens the next 8 weeks. Go Skins!

Alright - I'm gonna go home and shower all the loser Lloyd love & Gibbs hate bile offn' mah Troll Stompin' Boots.

You kiids have a nice evening.

10-6 Hail!

Posted by: shuttledik | November 5, 2007 05:02 PM

Later Dikhead

I doubt that Gibbs makes all the decisions on who to sign, who to trade, how much money to give to what players, contracts, etc. I don't care what his title is. His ultimate responsibility is to coach the team. I think people just like to try to blame him for everything. Blame him for the playcalling, time management issues, on the field stuff but I don't think he's a capologist (sp?) and I don't think he would have thrown all that money at Lloyd, Brandon or Archibingus. You don't think Danny or Vinny have anything to do with that?

i love portis saying, "call some plays i like to run."

that's killer.

anyone see pete kendall pulling, a la randy t?

classic redskins running.

if the run game gets going, then JC gets to loosen up and take some shots. late in the game he had some convincing play actions...

he just needs time, guys. the offense needs to keep gaining confidence and the team will get better.

and, at 5-3, they're in a good place to get better from.

HAIL.

nobody panic.

ST2DH I think it's always possible to juggle the numbers and get under the limit, but over time it destroys a team's abaility to make moves as the season unfolds.

I mean look at the nonsense with Receiver, The this year, and the fact that the Skins are SO close to the limit even next year limits their ability to flex the roster by trading current players if need be. No other team will pick the guys up on their current contracts and the dead cap it leaves compromises your options going forward even more.

You can use your credit cards/home equity loan to pay your mortgage for quite a while if you're clever about it, but eventually you'll risk losing your house....

But they SHOULD get credit for making spending less work better this year. Now just do it for a couple more and you'll be in great shape!

You may be right bigfish, but if that's so doesn't it mean that JJG's title of 'President' is really just a vanity title?

Well, clocking-out time is upon us. Thanks for tolerating my presence another day.

RickyBooby, everyone agrees that Snyder is an a$$hat, but what are you proposing to do about that? If all you want is to point it out then you really do need to get some perspective because it has gone too far. Don't give him the authority to dictate your happiness or otherwise, he doesn't care.

Later guys.

I doubt that Gibbs makes all the decisions on who to sign, who to trade, how much money to give to what players, contracts, etc. I don't care what his title is. His ultimate responsibility is to coach the team. I think people just like to try to blame him for everything. Blame him for the playcalling, time management issues, on the field stuff but I don't think he's a capologist (sp?) and I don't think he would have thrown all that money at Lloyd, Brandon or Archibingus. You don't think Danny or Vinny have anything to do with that?

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 05:05 PM

Its Gibbs that's having Dinner with these players. Its Gibbs taking out these players to Wizards games for whatever. It's Gibbs looking these players in the eye and deciding whether they want to sign or not.

Moss was always injury prone in NY and had One decent / healthy year for him. Everyone knows it. Gibbs still traded for him because he wants someone explosive. Moss has one healthy year for Redskins in 2005. Since then its been downhill.

People knew Lloyd was moody in SF. Gibbs went out to dinner with him and signed him. You know who else was moody...Randy Moss. Belichek seems to be getting production out of Randy.

I think they deserve special kudos for slotting Kendall into Dockery's position at 1/10th of what Buffalo's paying Dock. Lot of luck involved, but it's working. And they did an artful dodge when they ditched Archuletta. Receiver, Portis, Springs are going to be problems, though.

Gibbs still traded for him because he wants someone explosive.

Posted by: mmz114 | November 5, 2007 05:14 PM

mmz--

Don't know if you remember but Snyder wanted to draft Moss, but Schottenheimer took Rod Gardner, one pick ahead of the Jets. I think that trade of Coles for Moss worked pretty well for everyone once Coles decided he didn't want to be here.

Someone should be fired over Lloyd. Guy must be a sweet-talker to pull off what he did with the Skins. I thought the story was that Saunders really wanted Lloyd, not Gibbs.

Belichek seems to be getting production out of Randy.

Posted by: mmz114 | November 5, 2007 05:14 PM

I thought it was Brady who's getting the production out of Moss. I don't think Campbell and Gibbs could do the same. Moss will only play like a winner if he's playing with the winner.

"You may be right bigfish, but if that's so doesn't it mean that JJG's title of 'President' is really just a vanity title?"

When it comes to titles and the Redskins FO/management aren't they all vanity titles? Asst HC Offense, Asst HC Defense, VP of Football Operations and so on.

"I did about as much as Tana and Antwaan did yesterday. When I make records, clearly the team wins. Skins should keep paying me to make records."

--Brandon Lloyd

I'm sure it was Gibbs and only Gibbs that took players out to dinner, Wizards games, racquetball tournaments and whatever. I bet he even had a contract drawn up in his back pocket for them to sign on the spot. This will have to be one of those agree to disagree topics.

What I don't understand is RB keep complaining about hommers attacking him when all I read is RB attacking Gibbs the person. Please explain that one to me RB.

CP goes for almost 200 yards and you guys want him gone next year. WOW!

Did I kill the blog?

ah, it was on life support anyway, JM

I think the 5pm EST whistle killed the blog.

In an attempt to bring a little bit of positivity to the blog;

We have two of the top ten tacklers in the league and the big difference is this year they are both LB's and not our safety. Meanwhile that same safety is leading the league in INT's and tied for 3rd in passes defended instead.

And that is "the league". Not just the NFC.

What do we blame Vinny and Danny for?

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 04:56 PM

existing? :)

Did anyone just see George Michael call out Brandon Lloyd on his live report at 6? That was kinda nice!

I think that trade of Coles for Moss worked pretty well for everyone

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 05:19 PM

It worked out for one season for Redskins. Moss has been a bum since.

He's on pace for 500 yards - 0 TD for 2007.

That will be the worst numbers for a starting wide reciever ever. Will make BLloyd's numbers look good.

As for Saunders wanting Lloyd...pretty sure they announced Lloyd signing before Saunders even joined the staff.

mmz, you're a bit negative...

a win is a win ....no style points but 5-3 at half time....Gibbs nows they need to throw the ball to get the Balance he keeps talking about but we are still out of snyc...play calls, routes and throws not timed up...still would like to see more in the middle of the field and more passes to players on the move upfield ...less to the sideline /line of scrimage to a player who's feet are stopped with his back to the defender...part of an explosive passiong game is the yards after catch.... the short /intermediate throw long run play....we have the second half of the season for JC and company to get the passing parts of the 700 pages down....barring total colapse...my wish and expectation that this season would provide meaningful december games looks good....next 4 weeks or so are real big towards that end....

Tony Romo 67 million dollar Man will chew that suka** overrated secondary apart worse then that 1st time starting 1-8 jet QB did.Wonder if dannyboy would give 1st rd pik chicken noodle 67 mill?Marion the BarBarion is going to run over taylor and stiff arm landry into lala land.Theres a new sheriff in the NFC EAST and hes a gunslinger that will shoot holes in that pathetic williams Defense.Get use to licking his cleats and enjoy your kool-aide with your chicken noodle QB!

How'd that go for the Cowgirlz last year with Romo?

How did that go last year for Romo and the Cowgirlz?

Darn loseable type.

not as bad as for chicken noodle QB!

Booredskinfanhoo, do your parents know you're typing bad words on the internet?

Huh?

If I recall correctly the Redskins beat the Girlz with all of the same players that the Girlz have now. Only difference is that he Redskins have added people on D and the Cowboys have added over rated Leonard Davis and ex-con Tank Johnson who has never played in a 3-4.

As for Saunders wanting Lloyd...pretty sure they announced Lloyd signing before Saunders even joined the staff.

Posted by: mmz114 | November 5, 2007 07:11 PM

No, they signed Saunders when Herman Edwards got the job at KC. They signed Lloyd in free agency, a few months later.

Look, you forget the circumstances of the Moss/Coles trade. Coles wanted out and was practically refusing to play. 'Skins were lucky they could work out a trade. Anyway, your characterization of Moss as "a bum" is mean-spirited and bears no relation to the reality of who he is and what he's added to the team.

As for Saunders wanting Lloyd...pretty sure they announced Lloyd signing before Saunders even joined the staff.

Posted by: mmz114 | November 5, 2007 07:11 PM

No, they signed Saunders when Herman Edwards got the job at KC. They signed Lloyd in free agency, a few months later.

Look, you forget the circumstances of the Moss/Coles trade. Coles wanted out and was practically refusing to play. 'Skins were lucky they could work out a trade. Anyway, your characterization of Moss as "a bum" is mean-spirited and bears no relation to the reality of who he is and what he's added to the team.

Coles wanted out and Snyder threatened to buy him a TV so that he could watch the games from home - like talent_evaluator said we were lucky to get anything for Coles.

Did anyone just see George Michael call out Brandon Lloyd on his live report at 6? That was kinda nice!

Posted by: robrown22 | November 5, 2007 06:57 PM

It was a work of beauty, and it was also a different slant than what I'd gotten from Jasno's posts. From Jasno, I thought he was toast. From Michaels, I got the impression that "the ball's in his court." He can go back out to Redskins Park and kiss some a$$ and still be part of the team. Surely his agent's going to be pushing him toward a$$-kissing.

What did he say about Lloyd? I hate not being able to see stuff like that.

What's the deal with the new error everytime you post something? WaPo IT hasn't looked to stellar lately.

"Rebuild failed: Building date-based archive 'Weekly20071104000000' failed: Build error in template 'Date Based Archive': Error in tag: Can't find included template module 'wpnitop624'"

I hate missing that stuff, too.

I actually thought George Michael had retired.

fish--

He called Lloyd out, bigtime. Led off his Redskins segment showing the pass to Thrash in the endzone, saying "Lloyd, you should have been there to catch that ball. That ball was for you."

Then he said "I've been standing up for you all year because you're charming, and you've done nothing but let me down. What do you mean you missed a meeting? You better get back to Redskins Park tomorrow, apologize to Coach Gibbs, and give the Redskins back $1 million because you haven't earned a cent since you've been here. Give the money to charity and tell the Redskins that if you earn the money the rest of the year, then they should give it back to you." I don't exactly follow the logic of that, but it was good to see him call the man out.

Sonny, Joe Bugel, Jim Vance, Doreen Gentzler were all kind of stunned. Jim finally said something like "Why don't you tell us what you're really thinking? Stop mincing words."

Steelers and Ravens are playing in a monsoon.

Just got that error. I laughed because it said "Movable Type."

My immediate impression was that WaPo had figured out a way to warn us of an RI loseable type post.

What's the deal with the new error everytime you post something? WaPo IT hasn't looked to stellar lately.

"Rebuild failed: Building date-based archive 'Weekly20071104000000' failed: Build error in template 'Date Based Archive': Error in tag: Can't find included template module 'wpnitop624'"

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 08:41 PM

Could be my bad. I haven't posted here before.

actually thought George Michael had retired.

Posted by: CBT | November 5, 2007 08:42 PM

He quit the nightly sports report when Channel 4 cut back his staff. He still has a contract to do the Redskins' stuff including the Saturday night show with Wilbon, Sonny and Riggo. That show's always worth the money but it gets dumped a lot for the end of the Notre Dotre game. Notre Dotre = must see TV.

Ouch! Go George! I hope he gets to see it or at least hears about it.

PBL4 - Unless you work in the WaPo IT Dept. it's not your fault. They haven't been the smartest bunch with the new registration policy, the time change and now this.

That message is what happens when Old Media wants to be New Media. Sort of like the registration debacle. You just have to hit the back button, try again. It seems to go through on the second push. Go, WaPo.

What's the deal with the new error everytime you post something? WaPo IT hasn't looked to stellar lately.

"Rebuild failed: Building date-based archive 'Weekly20071104000000' failed: Build error in template 'Date Based Archive': Error in tag: Can't find included template module 'wpnitop624'"

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 08:41 PM

Could be my bad. I haven't posted here before.

Hitting the back button and then refresh has been working for me.

bigfish - Yeah, I know. Jk.

Boo WaPo IT Dept
HOORAY BEER!!!

-Red Stripe guy

Ouch! Go George! I hope he gets to see it or at least hears about it.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 08:46 PM

Fish, I think he's the picture of Narcissism and if his name is spoken he'll know about it. Not sure, though, that it will make a difference.

Notre Dotre = must see TV.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 08:46 PM

Notre Dame losing week in/week out = must see TV

Notre Dotre = must see TV.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 08:46 PM

Notre Dame losing week in/week out = must see TV

Maybe he is trying to get back out of the doghouse. This has been the first time I have seen something positive on his website about the team.

"Suisham boots Redskins past host Jets"

http://blloyd.com/

te, which do you mean is narcissistic, GM or The Receiver? IMHO, either would fit that bill.

"After speaking briefly to the students, Lloyd took "writing" questions. He had to limit the topic after receiving numerous football-themed questions"

Mr Lloyd - Why do you suck so bad.
Mr Lloyd - Why do you get paid so much to do nothing?
Mr Lloyd - Why does my Daddy say you the biggest piece of SJK alive?

http://www.observernews.com/stories/current/news/102607/redskin.shtml

How pitiful is Baltimore? Jasno, what happened to this great organization? They won a Super Bowl and then dried up.

Would we be better if we had Ozzie Newsome as a GM?

They've never had an offense since the great offensive coach, Brian Billick arrived. How does that happen?

Ravens are getting a Belicheat style beating. Wonder if Jasno will write about this tomorrow.

What has happened to the blog? There used to be a handfull of folks up here that would BTGO while watching MNF.

Tomorrow he'll write about injuries and about Gibbs' press conference. Entirely predictable. As predictable as running Clinton Portis on first and second downs. Only he doesn't gain as much yardage.

When was the last time you read something about the 'Skins in the Post that you didn't already know? For me, I think it was last Spring when Jason had two or three brilliant stories analyzing the 'Skins year. But, it's a long drought since then.

What has happened to the blog? There used to be a handfull of folks up here that would BTGO while watching MNF.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 09:34 PM

Maybe it's not the blog, but MNF. Pretty lame these days. And, if they're not blogging and watching the game, maybe they're the winners and we're the losers. What a thought. I may have to stop now.

The Redskins need look no further than right up 95 to find an offense as predictable or even more than their own.

Man, Baltimore is cursed.

It's the curse of the bird. Any team with a derogatory name like Ravens is cursed. They'll never get better until they change their name.

Seeing the Ravens is making me feel much better about our own team. The Skins O has a lot of work to do, but it looks miles ahead of what the Ravens are doing. Their defense looks like crap too. So much for them being an organization after which other teams should model themselves.

maybe they're the winners and we're the losers. What a thought. I may have to stop now.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 09:37 PM

I never claimed to be cool. Just in between jobs and bored with the wife working late.

JustMe, I think they're got the injury problem worse than the 'Skins. Both their corners are out -- imagine if we were starting Smoot and Eubanks or Macklin. And, they're playing a pretty tough team -- not the Patriots, but not far back.

28-0 with 5:40 to go in the 2nd Q. Ravens are making the Speelers look like the Pats.

Nobody's posting tonight because they're not as smart as we are -- they can't figure out how to get past the new "Movable Type" hurdle that WaPo's thrown up.

Either I'm drinking too fast or the new moveable type is misspelling words for me. The P is nowhere near the T. Not sure how that happened.

When do you think the Steelers will start playing the back up quarterback?

So their injured players, who are not on the field, are to blame for these idiots not hanging onto the ball, covering anybody, or generally playing football reasonably well?

The Ravens just suck sjkt. Especially McNair.

Just in between jobs and bored with the wife working late.

Posted by: bigfish | November 5, 2007 09:43 PM

bf -- there's a whole section of the internets for that.

The Ravens should be lucky Belicheat isn't coaching. It still may be even uglier than our game last week without him coaching.

Looks like Smack finally figured out how to post tonight. Thanks for sharing that, Smack. Hard to say anything nice about McNair.

LMGO Cload! I finished the internet days ago but some sites are worth revisiting.

By rule, there's nothing ugly about Billick getting gut-punched time and time again.
He's an offensive genius, you know.

Anyway, your characterization of Moss as "a bum" is mean-spirited and bears no relation to the reality of who he is and what he's added to the team.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 5, 2007 08:26 PM

A starting Wide Reciever making a ton of money on track to gain 500 yards and No TDs in 2007 = BUM

In fact, more of a Bum than any starting reciever in history

TE, I'm aware of their injury issues. But, I can't count how many times I've heard about how deep the Ravens are because they build through the draft, how the next person on the depth chart can just be plugged in, blah, blah, blah... With so much supposed depth, you wouldn't think they'd be as affected by missing starters as other teams. That's all I'm saying.

I, at least, thought this game would be competitive. The Steelers are good, but they're not the Patriots and Colts. It looks like the Ravens are gonna be down by 35 by half time.

Billick = QB guru

I see my Tarzan call for bloggers worked but maybe a little too well.

35-0. This is worse than our blowout last week.

as an example of his brilliance, they apparently don't have a play for 3rd and 24 from the two, so they take a delay of game to get to 3rd and 25 from the one... "we got you right where we want you"...

Tomlin is such a jerk, running up the score like that on poor helpless Baltimore. :-P

as an example of his brilliance, they apparently don't have a play for 3rd and 24 from the two, so they take a delay of game to get to 3rd and 25 from the one... "we got you right where we want you"...

as an example of his brilliance, they apparently don't have a play for 3rd and 24 from the two, so they take a delay of game to get to 3rd and 25 from the one... "we got you right where we want you"...

A starting Wide Reciever making a ton of money on track to gain 500 yards and No TDs in 2007 = BUM

In fact, more of a Bum than any starting reciever in history

Posted by: mmz114 | November 5, 2007 09:59 PM

Didn't Lloyd break that record last year with a total of 365 yards and no TD's?

I hate the Ravens, but I love McNair. It truly pains me to see him like this. He looks like Brunell last year. And, in 2004. And, and the end of 2005. LOL The point is, he looks awful. It's time for him to hang up the cleats.

Sorry if someone has already linked to this story about fines for head-first hits yesterday... our precocious #30 got dinged for his dinger on Clemens.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3096320

But the REAL story is that the two players fined are named LaRon and LaJuan! Come on, how great is that? LaRon and LaJuan! You can't make this stuff up.

When did Landry get a head first hit on Clemens?

If this were Belicheat he'd be going for a fake spike and then a TD pass. Come on Tomlin. Where's your killer instinct?

bigfish,

It was on one of those 3rd down blitzes. He got penalized 15 yards for it and it kept the Jets drive alive.

Guess I am the only LLoyd defender - and I say "Shame on You" to George Michael - unless he knows something that we don't (which is possible since he is tight with Gibbs).

Seems to me Lloyd is the current player in the doghouse...previously occupied by Lavar...then Archuleta. It's difficult for him to catch a pass if he's not in the game...and they never put him in the game.

According to Doc Walker, he is not the first player to miss a meeting - but is the one being singled out.

I know he had a late hit but I never noticed any helmet to helmet action or spearing.

Steelers/Ravens... great teams in that oh-so-tough AFC.

Too bad the Steelers lost to the Cardinals and the Ravens only beat them by 3.

I agree with you somewhat Lisa but if you're in the doghouse, which Lloyd even admitted to in the Sports Junkies interview, then what makes you think you can miss a team meeting and not get penalized. When I lived in VA (Prince William County) I hade 8:30am meetings in Rockville on Monda