FIRST!!

Good to know they got their priorities in order.

From the previous thread:

This franchise is clueless, and will be for quite some time. Just sit back and root for the uniform. I can't quit the burgundy and gold, no matter how hard I try.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 28, 2008 06:21 PM
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This got me thinking: Maybe Snyder's intent is actually to NOT win the Super Bowl. Every time things look promising, he changes things.

Instead of calling it clueless, perhaps we should be asking: Exactly why is it that he wants to not win? Is there some incentive in the NFL to keep a certain number of teams in the middling range? Do we strive to get better draft picks by finishing lower in the standings? Does the organization save a lot of tax money if it doesn't win big -- big write-downs in the accounting method somewhere?

I'm sure I missed this somewhere but is Buges still with the team? If not who is coaching the O-line?

Maybe we are getting some cash under the table by the nfl to not do well because of the name thing?

THATS GREAT WHEN WILL WE SEE AN HEAD COACH HIRED WATS THE UPDATE ON FASSEL HOW IS HE FEELING ABOUT HAVEING TO WAIT AND STUFF

Better to just release Breaux and Burns.

I'm not sure Billy Lazer-tag was so great either... unless teaching Cambpell how to fumble or throw an INT at key moments in the 4th quarter was his goal.

THATS GREAT WHEN WILL WE SEE AN HEAD COACH HIRED WATS THE UPDATE ON FASSEL HOW IS HE FEELING ABOUT HAVEING TO WAIT AND STUFF

Posted by: xpoc2 | January 28, 2008 07:03 PM

Uh oh. Looks like one of the chimps got a hold of Jane Goodall's laptop again.

"Good to know they got their priorities in order."

Yeah, ass backwards(as always).

- Ray

Uh oh. Looks like one of the chimps got a hold of Jane Goodall's laptop again.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 28, 2008 07:08 PM
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I feel a new Super Bowl commercial coming on.....

The "caps lock" key is usually located just to the left of the Letter A.

WHEN YOUR TYPING LOOKS LIKE THIS, you should press it at once.

(Translation: oooh, oooh, oohh, aahh, ahhh, ahhh, ooh, ooh. oh??, ah. oh!)

The "caps lock" key is usually located just to the left of the Letter A.

WHEN YOUR TYPING LOOKS LIKE THIS, you should press it at once.

(Translation: oooh, oooh, oohh, aahh, ahhh, ahhh, ooh, ooh. oh??, ah. oh!)

The "caps lock" key is usually located just to the left of the Letter A.

WHEN YOUR TYPING LOOKS LIKE THIS, you should press it at once.

(Translation: oooh, oooh, oohh, aahh, ahhh, ahhh, ooh, ooh. oh??, ah. oh!)

Stumped, I'm impressed!

Most people don't know that repetition is the key to teaching chimps.

kyle0816, Randy Thomas was interviewed today...Randy said he is confused and has no idea what is going on but that Buges is returning....said Buges told him so.

kyle0816, Randy Thomas was interviewed today...Randy said he is confused and has no idea what is going on but that Buges is returning....said Buges told him so.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 28, 2008 07:33 PM

Where did you see this?

I'd really like to believe that the assistant coaches/coordinators positions are first being run by the guy whom Snyder is considering for HC. It just seems that if they're going through the trouble of revamping the staff now, they'd want to make sure the guy who's got to keep track on the sidelines knows who everyone is. Could it be that the HC position is just a matter of hammering out salary/perks, so in the meantime he stays under wraps? Come on, Danny...who's the guy behind the curtain?

Some of the chimps posting here could probably run the Skins as well as they are now. They should just pipe in circus music on a constant loop over at Redskins Park.

I hate you Dan Snyder.

Bugel is still there. Don't worry.

I'd really like to believe that the assistant coaches/coordinators positions are first being run by the guy whom Snyder is considering for HC. It just seems that if they're going through the trouble of revamping the staff now, they'd want to make sure the guy who's got to keep track on the sidelines knows who everyone is. Could it be that the HC position is just a matter of hammering out salary/perks, so in the meantime he stays under wraps? Come on, Danny...who's the guy behind the curtain?

Posted by: InRealAmerica | January 28, 2008 07:38 PM
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Gee, maybe Joe Gibbs will come back. Scare everybody else off, so that Gibbs says, oh, all right, I'll do it one more year.

I haven't heard many other people outside of this board talk about Mooch - but it certainly seems they are filling the staff with people who know him well. I certainly think he is a good coach, but am worried about his record in Detroit. In Frisco, his division opponents were Atlanta, New Orleans, and St. Louis. In the late '90s in any given year, at least two of those teams were horrible each season. In Detroit, his division foes were the likes of Chicago, Green Bay, and Minnesota. Bruising teams, much like what exists in the NFC East.

On another note, this offense may be good for Campbell. There was another nimble, strong armed, rocket throwing QB that thrived well in a (modified) West Coast attack - John Elway. If he can get production out of Portis like Portis supplied in Denver, we may have something here. I do wonder if Clinton will try to shed some size - if you look at the tape, he was obviously much slimmer in Denver than he is here. Of course, the style here dictated him being bigger. Would be interesting to see what happens.

BONG!

I think now that there are a defense and offense coaching the team. The new coach will be Daniel Snyder.

Well its not Pete Carroll, but its interesting to see that they interviewed him nonetheless. Here's the scoop: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22824087/from/id/22884948/

While in general, I'm not happy with the way our offseason has started, I do like the simplification of the coaching tree. Without the whole Assistant Associate Head Coach - Ball Boy system, players will actually know who they are answerable to.

Now after the Carroll interview and the Mooch noise, we now know that Zorn and Blache have no idea who will be their new boss.

Impressive lads.

gdennie,
you're probably right, but i think jasno might be onto something with the mooch theory-- person after person seems to be warm within the mooch tree. wouldn't be a bad hire, i think. if it doesn't work, there is always cowher next year.

just please, no fassel. please. i'd rather have dennis green.

Assistant Associate Head Coach - Ball Boy

kost, it's Assistant Associate Head Coach - Prolate Spheroid Management, actually.

i think this article (posted by someone else on the last thread) mentioned something about buges staying on board...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3219126

I have a feeling Byner and Bugel will be gone. Snyder must eliminate any links to the franchise's glory days. I don't want to see Byner go, but he can probably see the writing on the wall.

when do we get an updated coach tracker???

im lost!!!

Great they got contract extentions = free money
after VinnyDAN brings a Big name next year with full control.

F Snyder

Maybe Zorn can dedicate a whole month in the offseason to this one scenario with Jason Campbell. It is the fourth quarter and we are behind by six. You have to throw the ball. Concentrate on throwing it to players that wear the same jersey as you.

What happened to the Meeks interview today? Was that all BS since Snyder met with Carroll for 9 hours. Maybe Snyder is just trying to pad his ego by being in the same room as some of these guys. This is outrageous, egregious, preposterous.

SJKing Chimpable type

Maybe Zorn can dedicate a whole month in the offseason to this one scenario with Jason Campbell. It is the fourth quarter and we are behind by six. You have to throw the ball. Concentrate on throwing it to players that wear the same jersey as you.

Posted by: driley | January 28, 2008 08:09 PM

This is the first somewhat funny thing I've seen you post although still extremely cynical

meeks inteveiws tomorrow..

Uh oh. Looks like one of the chimps got a hold of Jane Goodall's laptop again.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 28, 2008 07:08 PM
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Freakin hilarious!!!

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kyle0816, Randy Thomas was interviewed today...Randy said he is confused and has no idea what is going on but that Buges is returning....said Buges told him so.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 28, 2008 07:33 PM

Where did you see this?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2008 07:38 PM
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Saw this on, I believe it was, channel 9 (CBS affiliate) news.

Cowher will never take this post without any influence on player/roster development. That's nothing more than Marty II.

Zero chance.

In fact, any coach worth his salt would hesitate taking this position given the present FO alignment.

Also...

JC is objectively not a good fit for the WC scheme. Big arm down the field doesn't mesh well with quick reads and touch passes. Skins need a competent and highly efficient backup West Coast QB before camp (who may very well end up being the starter).

Regarding the front office, as I said before I guarantee other upcoming moves/trades brought forth by the dynamic duo will make the Duckett and Lloyd deals look like steals.

scampbell1975, I saw Randy Thomas make that comment about Buges on Sportsnet.

Incidentally, I am pretty darn sure they have already named the coach - most likely Fassel. Larry Michael indicated as much (not the Fassel part but that a coach has been named and had a say in the OC and DC hirings).

A video of our new coach(es)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=I3enFIPvnFg

Saw this on, I believe it was, channel 9 (CBS affiliate) news.

Posted by: tripz | January 28, 2008 08:16 PM

Thanks.

scampbell1975, I saw Randy Thomas make that comment about Buges on Sportsnet.

Incidentally, I am pretty darn sure they have already named the coach - most likely Fassel. Larry Michael indicated as much (not the Fassel part but that a coach has been named and had a say in the OC and DC hirings).

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 28, 2008 08:18 PM

Thank you too.

Incidentally, I am pretty darn sure they have already named the coach - most likely Fassel. Larry Michael indicated as much (not the Fassel part but that a coach has been named and had a say in the OC and DC hirings).

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 28, 2008 08:18 PM

Lisa,

I agree that they've chosen (not named) a coach. But I think that if it was Fassel, then they would hold a press conference and announce it. One more reason why I'm still hopeful that it's Marriucci. But I'm as much in the dark as everyone else.

Snyder bandwagon

can you guys feel what is happening here?

How about this.When it's all said and done and the coach is named next week.All of the idiots and those who are email tough guys, can simply go away.In fact, your opinion has no value and you have wasted space and the time of the true skins fans that love this team, no matter what.And when you decide to comment on this post and further display your ignorance, you will only make a fool of yourself.

Now.....let's put this into perspective.No matter what you read or what you think you see.....Dan Snyder has already picked his coach.Now I realize that some figure that he owes them an answer (media) but it is clear to the clear thinking mind that he has a plan.Is it Mooch? that would make the most sense.

Why?

Do you remember when he declared that a decision would not be made until after the Super Bowl because they didn't want any distractions? I found that comment very interesting.If it's Fassel, what's the big deal? Everything else is in place so just call your press conference tomorrow and get it over with. There is a reason.....and it's because of Mooch.Read Jason's post.connect the dots.Mooch has privately given the okey to hire these guys.If Snyder did this now.....it would be a distraction because he is in Arizona.We all know that Snyder wants to make a splash.Better yet.....he wants all of the attention and will reveal everything at once.It's simply in his nature.

So relax and let it all play out.We will have a very solid defense.The continuity is in tact.Gibbs is driving this thing.We will have a west coast offense (yahoo).Zorn is not ready to fly solo and he is a west coast guy.Fassel is not.Bottom line here is that The Danny is in control and as much as some of you guys hate him.....how about you just go away and allow the true skin fans to smile come next week when it will all be revealed.

skins rule and Snyder too.

I have to say, from the previous thread, "Grumplestilskinn" was very crass, but also pretty funny. But still crass. And also pretty funny.

"Skid marks on the pants of progress" is a great metaphor. But also very crass.

:-)

Here's a real frightening thought. Maybe Danny Boy has given up trying to be Jerry Jones and is instead morphing into Al Davis - i.e. the owner who once coached his own team. It would satisfy all the male inadequacies "little" Danny suffers from.

Incidentally, I am pretty darn sure they have already named the coach - most likely Fassel. Larry Michael indicated as much (not the Fassel part but that a coach has been named and had a say in the OC and DC hirings).

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 28, 2008 08:18 PM
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It "could" be Mariucci, if JLaC's suspicions are correct. Danny Boy and Vinny "I haven't met a rich bastard's a$$ I wouldn't kiss" Cerrato may have contacted Steve already (no such rule involving "tampering" when it comes to network commentators) and he may have been the one to suggest, at least, Blache as the DC. It all makes sense after reading "Redskins Insider". I hope that it's not Fassel. At least with Mooch, there's a more youthful, read: CURRENT, approach to the game.

It's about beer o'clock for the NYC RI meetup. I wonder if they're making any good progress. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we're looking for them to caucus and select a new head coach, preferably not Fassel, or Mariucci, or Meeks, or Vermiel. Maybe Gregg Williams. Not Rich Kotite or Ray Handley, though.

If it were Mariucci, it would make sense that he would wait until his gig with NFLN at the Super Bowl were complete, then allow someone at NFLN to "break" the story. That would be classy given that he works there and all.

Has The Ombudsman weighed in after consulting his numerous sources in the NFL and at Redskins Park? I'm curious what he thinks will happen.

getup123,

Ok, what color pompoms do you want me to have? I don't want to have a color clash with yours. That just would not do at all. By the way, what are Danny's favorite colors?

JC is objectively not a good fit for the WC scheme. Big arm down the field doesn't mesh well with quick reads and touch passes. Skins need a competent and highly efficient backup West Coast QB before camp (who may very well end up being the starter).

Posted by: gdennie | January 28, 2008 08:17 PM

What about Brett Farve? He plays in a West Coast Offense, and Mooch was the guy who made him, Favre loves the guy.

getup123, get REAL. We are fans of the TEAM - which is why we despise Snyder sooo much. He is the owner - only because he has big $$$ and got lucky but that in no way signifies that he is the "team."

This comment is for the "fans" - not Snyder groupies.....Schefter mentioned Mariucci on the NFL Network tonight. Said he asked Mooch about it and did not get a yes or no answer but that Mooch told him he does want to get back into coaching and will do what is best for his family. This leads me to believe he has been approached by idiot Snyder at the very least.

kost52,

Favre can throw any pass in any condition.

JC has demonstrated a very fine long arm, but his accuracy is very suspect in the short and medium range. Plus, WC demands quick reads and JC tends to stare down recievers. I can easily imagine that the dynamic duo did not thoroughly think through this aspect.

Zorn has got his work cut out for him.

We do have a qb who could probably do well in the West Coast System--Collins. Quick reads, accurate, smart. However, I doubt he will be here after all this.

Lisa, Do you think that moving his family would hold him back? I know Jasno mentioned it and from what you said there it sounds like it could be a stumbling block?

Surely you wouldn't let it get in your way, when this could be your last chance to get your foot in the door?

A video of our new coach(es)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=I3enFIPvnFg

Posted by: carver9 | January 28, 2008 08:18 PM

Very funny.
JLa, if you run out of (good) speculation to post, please try and track down a scientologist's perspective on the coaching search. Who would L. Ron hire?

Comments pro an owner who is 8 games under .500 after 9 years of owning the team after hiring 4 coaches. 3 seasons over .500 in 9 years.

Very funny.

If the Danny is such a good owner, why is he having trouble finding a sought-after head coach for a storied franchise, especially when he has the highest salaries in the league?

Our open letter to Mr. Snyder is here: www.loosenupsandy.blogspot.com

"This got me thinking: Maybe Snyder's intent is actually to NOT win the Super Bowl. Every time things look promising, he changes things."

That's funny because I made a comment on here that winning would sell more merchandise and someone shot me down big time. It was probably a Leprechaun Danny cronie.

I think you're on to something there. :)

- Ray

kost52, I think Mooch would have to seriously consider it.....like you said, opportunities do not come around that often and Snyderrato will pay well. The family might be able to live with that :) Funny thing, when Schefter was talking about Mooch and the Skins, a film clip was being shown in the background. It was Mooch giving a speech in the locker room.....one of the players listening to his speech was none other than Ray Brown.

So relax and let it all play out.We will have a very solid defense.The continuity is in tact.Gibbs is driving this thing.We will have a west coast offense (yahoo).Zorn is not ready to fly solo and he is a west coast guy.Fassel is not.Bottom line here is that The Danny is in control and as much as some of you guys hate him.....how about you just go away and allow the true skin fans to smile come next week when it will all be revealed.

skins rule and Snyder too.

Posted by: getup123 | January 28, 2008 08:29 PM

I am a true Redskins and have been since I learned what football was. I used to go to Redskins Park and get autographs from guys like Riggins, Monk, Charlie Brown, Mike Nelms and Mosely, Mark Murphy, Dexter Manly, Bostic, Grimm, Butz, etc. and I don't like Snyder. Just because you have an opinion, and it smells like sh*t, doesn't mean that you're right. Snyder is NOT the Redskins, he's just an arrogant prick with cash. And you're a tool.

Cue the monkey act.

uh, insert fan

The West Coast offense is fine for JC. Nearly everybody runs a form of it. When you think of Montana and Jerry Rice, it was all slants and quick hitting stuff. I think JC can throw a slant.

If it is down to Mooch or Fassel, I say Fassel. At least he is obviously very hungry to coach. Probably would have a nice chip on his shoulder from all the grief he has caught. And he is familiar with the NFC east.

Mooch just doesn't seem like he would bring any fire to the job. And his teams are always soft.

if u cant throw a slant or a quick hit timing route you shouldnt be a qb in the nfl!!! i think jc will be fine as long as he takes the frame of mind and worth ethic lesson from collins...

The West Coast offense is fine for JC. Nearly everybody runs a form of it. When you think of Montana and Jerry Rice, it was all slants and quick hitting stuff. I think JC can throw a slant.

Posted by: boot1 | January 28, 2008 09:10 PM

But the real question is how long is learning curve for Jason?

Get ready for Fassel.

From ProFootballTalk.com

POSTED 1:57 p.m. EST, January 28, 2008

NO MOOCH IN D.C.?

A source with knowledge of the dynamics in the Washington front office firmly believes that former San Francisco and Detroit head coach Steve Mariucci won't be the next coach of the Redskins.

Though both Mariucci and 'Skins executive V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato worked together in San Fran, Mariucci was hired by former Niners owner Eddie DeBartolo and front-office exec Carmen Policy. "Mooch was never a Vinny guy," the source said.

Mariucci has been linked to the job via informed speculation from Jason La Canfora of the Washington Post.

I don't know about you guys, but after facing up to the fact that Fassel may be our next Head Coach, I'm pretty excited about the possibility of having Mooch.

Skins make the Bengals look good.

Mariucci has been linked to the job via informed speculation from Jason La Canfora of the Washington Post.

Posted by: i155133 | January 28, 2008 09:27 PM

I've heard it elsewhere too.

Skins make the Bengals look good.

Hey, everyone's got a part to play. Gotta know your role.

The real problem with the interview process is that the last question asked by Snyder to his perspective candidates is "are you wearing any underwear?"

Funny that Fassel keeps coming back for more!

Snyder bandwagon

Some good give and take guys.

Of course there will always be a few that simply don't get it.It's not about ones opinion, it's about class and respect.

I do owe you an apology because I thought that I was on the Jason La Canfora posting site.But I somehow found the sally Jenkins posting site. You know.....wait in the shadows and when Snyder slips up, you come out and attack.

Problem is.....he hasn't done anything wrong? unless Williams is a close personal friend of yours.Maybe you feel that he owes you something.many have acted as if he fired Gibbs.He is going threw a process....oh wait....you don't give a sh*t about that.In fact, you just want to bash Snyder.Once again....I apologize.

Oh how I wish that I could converse with someone who actually understands football.Instead I get non-sense from people who, even if we win it all next year, will still think of reasons to justify there hate for the danny

#1 snyder groupie

Oh how I wish that I could converse with someone who actually understands football.Instead I get non-sense from people who, even if we win it all next year, will still think of reasons to justify there hate for the danny

#1 snyder groupie

Posted by: getup123 | January 28, 2008 09:44 PM
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Vinny! Is that you again? I TOLD you to stay out of the fan blogs!

By the way, it's "their" not "there".

Yup, Snyder really scares Kraft that he will be moving in for some of that Lombardi Trophy action......

I'm pretty clueless with the situation," Thomas said. "I just know Buges is going to be back. That's a big plus, rejuvenating it a little bit. A couple of other guys are back - it's some good out of it."

Found this quote. Thought some would like to see it.

Oh how I wish that I could converse with someone who actually understands football.

Gosh, you poor thing. Such a tortured existence you lead. It must be a terrible burden to be so smart. I saw a flyer for an open mic poetry slam tomorrow night that you should totally check out. What time do you get off from Barnes & Noble?

Is it possible that they have to wait until after the Super Bowl to hire Mooch b/c he is still being paid by Detroit? This is the last year they are paying him to not coach their team. Maybe he loses some cash if he signs too soon?

Is it possible that they have to wait until after the Super Bowl to hire Mooch b/c he is still being paid by Detroit? This is the last year they are paying him to not coach their team. Maybe he loses some cash if he signs too soon?

Posted by: SwiftIT | January 28, 2008 09:52 PM

Yes, he is under contract for the Big Game.

Is it possible that they have to wait until after the Super Bowl to hire Mooch b/c he is still being paid by Detroit? This is the last year they are paying him to not coach their team. Maybe he loses some cash if he signs too soon?

Posted by: SwiftIT | January 28, 2008 09:52 PM

With what Danny boy typically pays for coaches, it wouldn't matter.

So far, surprisingly little solid news regarding the players' reactions. If this is demoralizing to fans, it's worse for the players. All those contracts that need to be re-worked - maybe the players just say no thanks - I'll take that cash - and ease out of the organization on their terms. Can't "coach 'em up" if you don't have the players. And other than mercenaries, no quality guy will want to come to the team unless it's time to get the retirement fund pumped up.

Yes, he is under contract for the Big Game
But not because of Detroit. It's the broadcaster gig.

Oh how I wish that I could converse with someone who actually understands football.Instead I get non-sense from people who, even if we win it all next year, will still think of reasons to justify there hate for the danny

#1 snyder groupie

Posted by: getup123 | January 28, 2008 09:44 PM

Listen Einstein,

Your idol hired the staff before the boss.
According to multiple informed sources, he's turned the franchise into a laughing-stock. He's treating this hiring process like some cable access version '24'.

Now, your faith and devotion emanate from somewhere. We just can't figure out where that happy place might be...?

getup - if you are gonna be all preachy with your Snyder mancrush at least shorten up the posts. Other than being liberal with spending on contracts he ranks up there with the worst owners in sports.

How much weight do you give the Profootballtalk.com article saying "no dice" to Mooch?

Or maybe the Skins would have to give the Lions picks or $$$ if they sign him before the Super Bowl. Who knows? I am just trying to guess if there is an actual method to this madness. Probably a waste of my time

How is Zorn going to have time to work with Jason one-on-one and do his job as OC?

Brian Mitchell had some great comments about Vinny - what a joke that guy is.

It doesn't matter who coaches this team next year - there done for at least 2-4 years.

What a complete waste.

Has anyone heard of anything from Joe Gibbs.

I'm not saying the head coach doesn't matter, but we all need to remember the talent is what matters most. A good team can win with Wade Phillips, Barry Switzer or even Norv. Hell, Spurrier was 1-0 v. Darth Hoodie when we was here. Anything is possible

I am just trying to guess if there is an actual method to this madness.

The madness is the method.

(Lookit me. I'm Marshall freakin' McLuhan all of a sudden.)

I'm more interested in how a majority of people criticize Snyder.....but won't admit or recognize the problems that were going to blow up whether Gibbs stayed or not??

I'm for the purging of the coaches.....and the thorough interview process is not a bad idea.

The redskins had the highest paid and most amount of coaches ever.....Its time to clarify the message and simplify and get back to the things that matter.

Snyder gave Gibbs possibly too much leeway in this matter.

I'm glad its the Cowboys accused of bumping up all the assistant coaches salaries rather than the Redskins for a change.....

Agreed SiftIT!

BONG!

I thought I had it rough, but the other night my wife and I were watching ESPN and having some drinks and they did a feature on Eli. My poor buddy's wife actually uttered these horrific words "Eli is cute!"

Some people just have a different view of things thats all.

Lou Holtz !!

Media Day question for Brady: What's it like having a super model girlfriend?

Media Day question for Eli: Have you ever kissed a girl?

Snyder bandwagon

Short and sweet

I love an underdog.That's why I'm a skins fan.For forty years we have been the Rodney dangerfield of Football.

Everyone hates Snyder and that makes him the underdog.

see ya next week when I will return and the Snyder haters will have nothing to say except......Okey, now it all makes sense....but I still hate him.

go skins

getup123,

Enjoy your weekly pass at Six Flags, TOOL~!

If perception is reality (which I think it is) then I don't think there are too many people out there sitting behind closed doors in the Super Secret Wise NFL Insiders Club (or NAMBLA (nod to Jon Stewart)applauding Snyder and his handling of the team and nodding sagely and saying "Oh well done Mr. Snyder. Well done."

Perception is reality - too many people perceive this organization as a clusterf*** barrel of monkeys ergo we are now paying the piper by having trouble attracting talent.

Ultimately $ does talk but if I were an HC candidate and could go to a team perceived to be a better organization for millions even it if is millions less than the Skins I might, I just might.

Then again I'm a teacher so clearly $ isn't the big draw for me professionaly. (cue music of nobleness and sacrifice)

Getup

Give me one thing to like about Snyder.

So far what we have is: Bad teams, bad stadium, bad parking, expensive seats (with obstructed views), Old Deon, Old B Smith, Jeff George, Marty, Spurier, Brunell, No Champ Bailey, 0 draft picks, and Vinny.

What's to like??

i155133, the Washington Times yesterday quoted a veteran player saying "The players are all very angry and many just want to move on to a new team." There you have it. What a DEBACLE Snyder has caused!

Marshall Faulk actually laughed tonight when asked about the Skins. He also said this most likely will set back Jason Campbell and may even ruin his career. This has the makings of a disaster. Actually it already is a disaster.

I am just trying to guess if there is an actual method to this madness.

The madness is the method.

(Lookit me. I'm Marshall freakin' McLuhan all of a sudden.)

Posted by: freakzilla | January 28, 2008 10:02 PM
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McLuhan with a lisp.

Because I can't help it because I'm an LOTR Geek of the First Order

It's Saruman the White. Gandalf was the Grey and then became the White and cast Saruman out.

Yes I'm referring to a post from like 1000 posts and 3 hours ago.

Also...in discussions with my friends on the matter of the Redskins. The dislike of Snyder came up....and I really thought about it.

Where does it stem from?? He's not as bad as the NORV era...

The fact is....alot of people that post on this board were the ones that ridiculed the kid like Snyder when growing up....

Everyone criticizes Snyder and says he's an a-hole....

But you don't know him personally and neither do I. The only interaction I've ever had with the man is I said hello to him once when I was on the owner's level of FEDEX Field.... as he was walking by I greeted him and he greeted me pleasantly and a gave a thumbs up to HAIL TO THE REDSKINS.

As I know a lot of people I like personally that other people consider a-holes (whether they know them or not).....

So I don't judge a guy based on media reports......I look at what he does for me as a season ticket holder.....

A lot of people and guys in the media hate the geeky guy done well.......SNYDER is the epitome of that...possibly moreso than any other.

He's the little guy that people underestimated and now not only is he their boss, he's a billionaire + he's married to the hot prom queen/cheerleader + He's a short guy + he has his own plane + he owns your favorite sports team + and he's only 42.

Not even Paul Allen, the Glazers or Mark Cuban can proclaim all that (as I don't remember their wives being that hot).

Everyone hates Snyder and that makes him the underdog.

So what's your position on genital warts? I think everyone hates them too.

I'm reaching for the meat thermometer . . .

BTW what is the status of all of our coaching staff? Do we still have 100 people?

@ SwiftIT

I'll give you one reason.....HE FIRED NORV....mind you in spectacular fashion.

NORV destroyed this team after Gibbs.....DESTROYED.

If you need me to list the all-time lows he put this franchise through...I can do so again.

And Snyder wasn't even present for those atrocities save for 2000.

i155133, the Washington Times yesterday quoted a veteran player saying "The players are all very angry and many just want to move on to a new team." There you have it. What a DEBACLE Snyder has caused!

Marshall Faulk actually laughed tonight when asked about the Skins. He also said this most likely will set back Jason Campbell and may even ruin his career. This has the makings of a disaster. Actually it already is a disaster.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 28, 2008 10:16 PM

I have not heard anything like this yet! PLEASE!!! Say it's not so! This is what I am terrified of. I can live with Fassel or whoever as HC, but the loss of our key players and our team morale would be devestating!

I hated Norv too, but firing him doesn't make up for all the other stuff. Besides, Norv has been gone for 8 years, who is at fault since then? Did Norv hire Spurrier? Did Norv trade Bailey and all the picks? Did Norv give Brunell a job?

A video of our new coach(es)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=I3enFIPvnFg

Posted by: carver9

thank you for posting that, it made my night, the only thing scarier than watching that would be an interview with Synder and Vinny.

Who cares anymore who the coach is- I am pissed, we all are pissed but whoever the new coach is 10-6 he is great 6-10 he is a bum. We can't win. or maybe this is just what we needed?

"Give me one thing to like about Snyder.

So far what we have is: Bad teams, bad stadium, bad parking, expensive seats (with obstructed views), Old Deon, Old B Smith, Jeff George, Marty, Spurier, Brunell, No Champ Bailey, 0 draft picks, and Vinny."

SwiftIT - FYI :

Jack Kent Cooke built the stadium, blame him.

1 good thing about Snyder - dude is rich as fcuk.

Other than that - agreed - dude could scuk c0ck standing up.

BONG!

Ok, JKC built the yard, but he wasn't the one who got the cops to give jaywalking tickets to fans who decided not to pay to park in one of Danny's lots, and JKC didn't sell the obstructed view seats (at full price) to people who had been on THE LIST for 100 years

With Williams and Saunders out the door, which players will be out the door with them... Griffin, Springs, Portis???

benbentovrbysnyder, sad to say it is true...and I fully suspected it would happen. Snyder LIED...to the players and to the fans...probably even to Williams! Smoot said he told him he was going to hire Williams! Not to mention the utterly classless way it was done. Think about how bad we feel....the players actually WORK there so their anger is multiplied :(

By the way, you said you were "drinking" while watching ESPN and Eli....your buddy's wife just had on beer googles.

No seriously, Les Miles

For what it's worth, Redskins Radio showed a clip of Blache describing his defensive "philosophy." The interview was done during the season - not since his promotion.

Surprisingly, he's all about the "corners" (I feel like I'm describing an episode of The Wire :).....said it all starts there.

It's all about the corners. So I guess he wasn't in favor of the trade where we sent a Hall of Fame corner to Denver for Jerome from SE

How did Snyder LIE??? He from the get go was about the interview process.....forget that the ROONEY RULE demands the interview process in the 1st place.

Stop getting wrapped up in emotion and realize this is a complex process...and everything you hear in the media is fluff and the only people that know (And mind you...that should know)...are the people actually involved in the interviews.

So ignore the Fluff...and wait til next week.

Get over the hurt feelings...cancel your season tickets if you want (I won't mind)....and get your draft and free agent analysis ready.

The Future is here.....the youth movement will continue as anyone who looked at the roster and the Redskins salary cap knew was going to happen.

I'm more interested in how a majority of people criticize Snyder.....but won't admit or recognize the problems that were going to blow up whether Gibbs stayed or not??

Posted by: goosedude | January 28, 2008 10:03 PM

I suppose it's because no matter what, Joe Gibbs is one of the most decent human beings you're ever likely to meet, and he knows the right way to treat the people who work for him.

Snyder, on the other hand, has disrespected all of the coaches and players through the way in which he has handled this coaching search.

Regardless of who Snyder hires as HC, even if it's someone who meets with "fan approval," that does nothing to diminish the fact that he has handled this matter in the worst possible way. He has demonstrated a very low aptitude when it comes to treating people well. Perhaps that is endemic to his background in marketing, a pursuit that views people primarily as chattel. Whatever the root, there is an intangible "it" that he just doesn't seem to get.

I've worked in companies where there was a great deal of internal change going on during uncertain times, and management was very tight-lipped about what was happening and what to expect. A complete lack of transparency in a situation like that is the worst way to weather a storm. It puts everyone on edge, destroys confidence and motivation, distracts, and makes employees fearful for their jobs. Worse, it makes the employees being strung along start to feel used as the process drags on.

That is what Snyder has been doing to the Redskins organization for the past few weeks, and whether it's because he doesn't understand what it's like to be on the other end, or because he doesn't care, it's not good either way.

Reefer madness?

Redskins are going to be just fine.

Every sports franchise hits a little dry patch every ten years or so, ebb and flow.

Why are there so many marijuana smokers that post to this board. Is it the schwag that's making you all so hysterical?

Its easy to be real about the Skins. Gibbs 2.0 was 2 steps forward and one step back. Lots of good and lots of not so good.

But the team did accomplish something that is characteristic of great teams. They developed a chemistry that enabled them to become much more than the sum of their parts. They went through a lot to get there, but they did get there.

That is very rare. But you could see that attitude in the Pats after spygate. They were very tight and very determined. Even with all that talent, the Pats are more than the sum of their parts.

That type of team energy is what takes teams to higher levels. Snyder had a very good chance to maintain his team's chemistry by merely respecting his coaches and players ... and what they accomplished. It sets a culture consistent with champions.

Instead ... Snyder has undermined this. The players and remaining coaches will say the professional things. But when it comes down to it, they have been reminded that football is a business and they are commodities. They will react by putting their individual interests ahead of the team. Take the money, but always look out for your next job. Because you know Danny won't stick by you. That is the same culture that is pervasive in teams like the 49ers under the Yorks or Al Davis's Raiders.

Sad, but that is who Danny is. Respect is a concept that Danny just doesn't understand.

HIT!

Dang, Z. We were totally on the same wavelength there. Did a winged unicorn speak to you in a dream, too?

Maybe on the level of team owners, Snyder's handling of this is just fine. He's playing mind games like Belichick does, only his maneuvering is an attempt to match wits with other owners, not the players or the fans. Bet the perspective is different "up there."

Smoot said he told him he was going to hire Williams! Not to mention the utterly classless way it was done. Think about how bad we feel....the players actually WORK there so their anger is multiplied :(

By the way, you said you were "drinking" while watching ESPN and Eli....your buddy's wife just had on beer googles.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 28, 2008 10:32 PM

Hey Lisa, where did you hear the Smoot remark from.

youre not all wrong getup

i think this will make sense in the end

snyder runs the skins like he runs his corporations. that being, exactly how he wants to. which usually is inconsistent with the way a football frachise is supposed to be run.

but based on the information at hand, he appears be keeping a fair amount of continuity. just not at the top.

for D he is staying very much in house with a proven mind.

on O he is going similar to what we already had but a bit fresher mind and i would imagine far more simplifed.

williams and saunders are gone and everyone needs to get over it...

right now mooch looks like the best option...which i dont think is really all that bad all things considered. hes not a bad coach.

he did well in san fran with a strong organization that was in good shape. obviously he didnt in detroit but who would with that organization. and he has been analyzing the game ever since.

of thier eras, which of those two organizations do you think we are more like? hed have a team ready to go that is ripe with chemistry/passion, a lot of the same coaches will be around, zorn and mooch are here because they are experienced with molding quality qbs.

i think mooch would be primed to have his best coaching outting yet. and who is to say that zorn isnt ripe to be the next hot young coordinator like Spagnuolo or that other one coaching this weekend that were supposed to be interested in.

danny punked fassel (among others) for input and he hasnt otherwise tapped a dallas or philly coach for that matter either. how u doin!!!

Redskins InSnyder.

You all think you can get in Mr. Snyder's brain.

Access denied.

Not supposed to smoke the stems and seeds, people.

Marijuana will also increase estrogen levels in the blood. That's a female hormone, people.

skins rule and Snyder too.

Posted by: getup123 | January 28, 2008 08:29 PM

Where should I start? How about, your a moron. I think that sums it up.

I don't understand the fascination with the west coast offense that the Skins have now. Campbell does not fit that style. And what's up with all this Mariucci talk? Last I remember, he didn't do crap with the Lions.

Contrary to popular belief, marijuana does not make you smarter, or funnier. It is a gateway drug and has other serious side effects.

Please, Redskins fans, lay off the bong.

Attack anyone who disagrees with you, that's the mentality, mob behavior at it's finest.

I thought marijuana was supposed to mellow you out!

scampbell1975, Smoot made the comment last week...BEFORE all hell broke loose.

Sportsnet was out at Redskins Park and Fred was there. He was asked if he knew anything about the "new" coach and if he had spoken to Snyder. Fred said he had spoken to Snyder a week and a half ago and Snyder told him it was "going to be Gregg....he knows we all want Gregg."

Had to comment on the "Paul Allen's wife" thing. Paul is not married (or, at least, last I saw he wasn't). But his girlfriend is, indeed, hot:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005009/

That is all I have tonight. Thoroughly exhausted from the coach search nonsense...

freakzilla had the most astute comments about what "Mr." Snyder has wrought on this franchise. His impetuous, childish, impish, callous behavior will come home to roost one day. He will get his comeuppance. He will chase his great white whale of a Lombardi Trophy for years to come, all to no avail. Until he learns how to treat people, he will never field a winning organization.

Every sports franchise hits a little dry patch every ten years or so, ebb and flow.

Why are there so many marijuana smokers that post to this board. Is it the schwag that's making you all so hysterical?

Posted by: dog-speak | January 28, 2008 10:52 PM

dog-speak...."every team hits a little drypatch every 10 years or so?" Have you been following this team? We have had BIG bad BEYOND dry patches MOST of the last 10 years.....which is why elevating the good thing we had this season was so important...but alas, Snyder screwed us.

"Fassel, who was on the cusp of getting this position in 2004 before Gibbs was lured out of retirement, feels manipulated according to a source close to him, though Snyder could offer him the job after talking to other candidates. The same source said Snyder told Fassel he remained a strong candidate during their conversation Wednesday. "

The only honorable thing for Fassel to do is withdraw from consideration.

My respect for Jim Mora, Jr has increased tremendously.

My respect for Jim Mora, Jr has increased tremendously.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 28, 2008 11:30 PM
_____________________________

Glad you mentioned that. Makes me wonder if he withdrew because he was told that the OC and DC positions would be filled by the people who have recently been named.

"That makes me feel better about the organization," a veteran player said. "At least they're trying to keep some things together. Coach Blache did a great job in Chicago. He's more laid-back than Gregg, more of a players' coach. He'll probably eliminate some of Gregg's packages, but the defense should be pretty much the same."

This is from the same Washington Times article that someone posted earlier to highlight the "veteran player's" sentiment. If we're going to post something, let's show the whole story not just the part that backs up our argument.

scampbell1975, Smoot made the comment last week...BEFORE all hell broke loose.

Sportsnet was out at Redskins Park and Fred was there. He was asked if he knew anything about the "new" coach and if he had spoken to Snyder. Fred said he had spoken to Snyder a week and a half ago and Snyder told him it was "going to be Gregg....he knows we all want Gregg."

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 28, 2008 11:20 PM

I hate liars. But Danny has proven himself to be just that. This doesn't come as a surprise to me.

As for Zorn, Seattle's quarterbacks coach the last seven seasons, one Redskins player said, "It's a great hire. I think he'll simplify the offense. He's a quarterbacks coach, so he should be good for [quarterback] Jason [Campbell]."

Here's another. Don't get me wrong, I think snyder is a disgrace. But it doesn't appear that the morale of the team is totally destroyed. Although I'm sure that it's not all babies and kittens.

"Give me one thing to like about Snyder.

So far what we have is: Bad teams, bad stadium, bad parking, expensive seats (with obstructed views), Old Deon, Old B Smith, Jeff George, Marty, Spurier, Brunell, No Champ Bailey, 0 draft picks, and Vinny."

SwiftIT - FYI :

Jack Kent Cooke built the stadium, blame him.

1 good thing about Snyder - dude is rich as fcuk.

Other than that - agreed - dude could scuk c0ck standing up.

BONG!

Posted by: bigmurf08 | January 28, 2008 10:26 PM

HIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In the same article the veteran player also stated "but it depends on who the head coach will be" (or words to that effect).

I just can't see the players enthusiastic and jumping with joy over playing for Jim Fassel.

Lisa_R

Before I begin, please don't attack me. The mob mentality that rules this board is unfortunate. Dissent is part of life.

Yes, well aware that the Redskins have become a moribund franchise, but I don't see the point in attacking Dan Snyder.
He's the owner of the team. I simply suggest you either disassociate yourself from that reality, or perhaps root for another team.

What do you hope to accomplish, I'm curious?

i155133, the Washington Times yesterday quoted a veteran player saying "The players are all very angry and many just want to move on to a new team." There you have it. What a DEBACLE Snyder has caused!

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 28, 2008 10:16 PM

That's not what was said, here is the actual quote directly from the article.

You had to see it coming a little, but it's still hard for me to believe Gregg won't be here," a veteran Redskins player said. "It's sad. He did a great job. A lot of guys are angry about Gregg not getting the job. A lot of guys want to move on. I feel better that Greg Blache will be here, but the biggest thing is who the head coach is going to be."

In the same article the veteran player also stated "but it depends on who the head coach will be" (or words to that effect).

I just can't see the players enthusiastic and jumping with joy over playing for Jim Fassel.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 28, 2008 11:44 PM

Your spewing a lot of twisted words to spread panic. STOP and actually read the article. I've just shot down your supposed facts. (Read the last post)

By the way...I've figured out the truth and evil master plan behind all the haters on this blog and the one's calling for people to cancel their season tickets & boycott...

1) they are on the waiting list themselves and want to get tickets
2) they already are season ticket holders and want to improve their seats
3) They aren't season ticket holders and never will be.
4) Are fans of other teams who just like stirring up the rabble

Also scampbell1975....thank you for pointing out the numerous errors of Lisa_Rs posts....which have been some of the most venomous to Snyder.

Its like he ran over her dog or something.

If the HC isn't picking these coaches, it makes me wonder what his (I'll assume the coach is male) actual job will be. This is still essentially Gibbs team, but without its top leadership now. I'll give Snyder credit for holding the nucleus together.

Welcome aboard, Coach Spineless Pawn!
Welcome aboard, Coach Snyder!

(Which will it be?)

Also scampbell1975....thank you for pointing out the numerous errors of Lisa_Rs posts....which have been some of the most venomous to Snyder.

Its like he ran over her dog or something.

Posted by: goosedude | January 28, 2008 11:53 PM

Look, I believe that evryone has the right to their own opinion, I have mine, but I also believe that the truth should be used and not twisted quotations turned to fit one's own perspective. Still, I have respect for the Redskins fans that stick by our team. And I do not believe that Snyder is our team, just one part of it.

No matter what us true Redskins fans say, these adolescents on this board will claim we are PR people who work for Dan Snyder.

They have clever ways of disguising vulgarity, as if "f" this, or he "screwed" us, or "f*ck" that, makes their arguments any more salient.

Toke up, people!

For the most part, the players win games, not the coaches. We will have enough good coaches next year. The players need to win the damn games.

The only plausible explanation for the banality on this board is that these adolescents have nothing better to do, or they are adults who are so miserable in their own lives, attacking Dan Snyder makes them feel better.

Some people aren't intelligent enough to express themselves any other way. I must confess, I've been guilty of some harsh words but I don't believe I have yet stooped to vulgarity.

Now in all fairness, I must post this part of the article as well:
It's a mess," one veteran Redskins player said yesterday before Blache's hiring was announced. "This thing has gone on too long. It's not fair to us or the [assistant] coaches. The new coach won't know what this team has been through and probably won't care."

there's 2 sides to every coin and I certainly understand this perspective, and as is consistent with the duality of man, I kind of feel this way too.

The ownership of this franchise is not concerned with winning, the team or the fans. They have totally disrepected Joe Gibbs and everything he came out of retirement to do. They totally disrespected Gregg Williams by the way they handled his termination and with the rediculous "disinformation" campaign they started against him.

The owner of this franchise is interested in only one thing: himself -- controlling everyting and pretending that he know how to run a professional football team.

Daniel Snyder may have made a lot of money in marketing and perhaps he is a good business man although I question that given how he treats people. He is not a professional football man however.

All of the fans of this team have sat by for years while he threw money at probelms and started and restarted with the organization and coaching staff. Now as the team was building to a bright future he has decided to rip up it up again as part of his own very large ego trip -- an apparent effort to show that he can do better than Joe Gibbs, Gregg Williams or any other professional football man.

There is no reason for any self-respecting fan to put up with this. NOW IS THE TIME TO LEAVE SNYDER AND HIS TOY TO HIMSELF -- ITS TIME FOR ALL GOOD FANS TO MOVE ON TO A NEW TEAM WHERE THE OWNER CARES ABOUT THE TEAM, THE FANS AND WINNING -- NOT JUST HIMSELF. HE WILL NEVER BE A "TRUE REDSKIN" -- THAT IS WAY WAY FAR BEYOND HIM.

tom gorman, former fan

The only plausible explanation for the banality on this board is that these adolescents have nothing better to do, or they are adults who are so miserable in their own lives, attacking Dan Snyder makes them feel better.

Posted by: dog-speak | January 29, 2008 12:01 AM

Dude, chill out. Do you have anything to add to the subject of the Skins, or are you on here to bash the fans because their not being "politically correct" in your eyes. Seems like your just trying to get attention.

The point is that using curse words makes you sound like an idiot. It doesn't add anything to your argument, just makes you sound stupid.

It would be nice if we could elevate the level of discussion to a more mature level.

The point is that using curse words makes you sound like an idiot. It doesn't add anything to your argument, just makes you sound stupid.

It would be nice if we could elevate the level of discussion to a more mature level.

Posted by: dog-speak | January 29, 2008 12:07 AM

Believe me when I tell you there are sports forums ALOT worse than this one out there that involves vulgarity and racism. You'd probably break down and cry if you were on those sites if this one is bothering you so much. LOL

There is no reason for any self-respecting fan to put up with this. NOW IS THE TIME TO LEAVE SNYDER AND HIS TOY TO HIMSELF -- ITS TIME FOR ALL GOOD FANS TO MOVE ON TO A NEW TEAM WHERE THE OWNER CARES ABOUT THE TEAM, THE FANS AND WINNING -- NOT JUST HIMSELF. HE WILL NEVER BE A "TRUE REDSKIN" -- THAT IS WAY WAY FAR BEYOND HIM.

tom gorman, former fan

Posted by: tgorman | January 29, 2008 12:06 AM

Can't go with you. I am a GOOD FAN, and I will live and die with this team regardless of who the owner is. I said it brfore and I'll say it again, the owner is NOT the REDSKINS.

Fast Times at Ridgemont High, dude?

The point is that using curse words makes you sound like an idiot. It doesn't add anything to your argument, just makes you sound stupid.

It would be nice if we could elevate the level of discussion to a more mature level.

Posted by: dog-speak | January 29, 2008 12:07 AM

Believe me when I tell you there are sports forums ALOT worse than this one out there that involves vulgarity and racism. You'd probably break down and cry if you were on those sites if this one is bothering you so much. LOL

The point is that using curse words makes you sound like an idiot. It doesn't add anything to your argument, just makes you sound stupid.

It would be nice if we could elevate the level of discussion to a more mature level.

Posted by: dog-speak | January 29, 2008 12:07 AM

Believe me when I tell you there are sports forums ALOT worse than this one out there that involves vulgarity and racism. You'd probably break down and cry if you were on those sites if this one is bothering you so much. LOL

It's not about being politically correct either. It's about having respect for yourself and for others, even with those whom you disagree with.

Have fun, guys.

Peace out, have it your way.

True Skins fans are fans for life, regardless of the owner, the coach, or the qb for that matter. Besides, we have most of the players we need, we just need some health next year and a few key moves this offseason. In the final analysis, it will be the players who win or lose for us, not the coaches or the owner.

scampbell1975, speaking of duality, I think a lot of fans are enraged. They want to believe, but the period between Gibbs 1.0 and Gibbs 2.0 still stings.

Generally, Lisa's posts are interesting and informative. She seems to get good information from a lot of sources, and I hope she continues to do that and doesn't twist anyone's quotes in the future. But I think she's still wounded. Frankly, I'm pretty freakin pis$ed about the way this has gone down.

Last season was definitely more emotional than most, and I think that's why there's such a loud outcry from MOST serious Skins fans.

A wise man once said:

"Huh?? Fassel?!? Don't talk about Fassel. You kidding me? Fassel??? I just hope we can win a game!"

Disclaimer: I took some liberties with that quote.

In basketball, when a player is in a zone, making shot after shot, you give him the ball and let him run as long as he can.

The 2007 Redskins got into that zone as a team. So the owner would have been wise to recognize that. But it was more than that, when a teammate dies and people start seeing their lives differently, it is at a very intense level. With the type of bonds that last a very long time.

And Danny destroyed it within a couple weeks.

Has anyone seen NFL ACCESS Today? Mr. Adam S. spoke to The Mooch, whom he works with on the network, and Adam reports that the Mooch wouldnt even tell him if he had been in contact or already hired by the Skins...According to Adam, The mooch responded by saying "I have a stronger itch to coach than last year and i do want to return" Again not answering either way....I do beleive guys JLC has hit it...I think the next coach is Mooch

Here is the link to the video of what Adam said On Total Access...Hang on until after they talk about the Raiders.....This seems to be whats going to happen....THE MOOCH!

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8064ffc4

For those fans that can stomach it, Mooch is a good coach. Probably the best choice of any of the names floated. Better than Fassel or Carroll, can't say much about Meeks or the other assistants names that have been floated.

Still Williams was THE fit for these players and Danny and GG would be wise to do a rethink. The players leadership group should do an intervention and go to Danny. As silly as this sounds, everyone would be better off. Players, coaches and mgmt. And they would all have a stake in the result. As a manager, you can't get better than that.

I think everyone needs to get over the fact that Williams was not hired...In my mind....If buges is staying....then that speaks volumes about the direction Gibbs referred to and I think that pretty much tells us that Snyder IS listening to Gibbs on matters and maybe just maybe...Gibbs did not endorse Williams...Buges would not be staying around if this was against what Gibbs had recommended

ABF - anyone but fassel

[delete]...Gibbs did not endorse Williams...[delete]

Posted by: leevi98 | January 29, 2008 12:50 AM

I know we agreed to disagree in general, but I have to point out that you have absolutely no proof Gibbs didn't endorse Williams privately.

You're OK when you say no one can quote Gibbs endorsing Williams, but you're going too far when you say Gibbs didn't endorse Williams. The fact is, we don't know.

Based on all the examples I gave in previous threads, it's clear to me Gibbs wanted Williams to be his successor. You're free to your own (wrong, IMHO) interpretation, but you can NOT definitively say Gibbs didn't endorse Williams. Neither of us heard what Gibbs said to Snyder privately.

Inside The Search: Updated 1/28/2008
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John Keim
WarpathInsiders.com Jan 28, 2008

John Keim keeps Redskins fans updated on the search for the next head coach of the Redskins in this blog.

January 28, 2007

...All of the assistant coaches now are expected to return (unless they get another job, but they won't be forced out). Even Don Breaux will have a place for at least another year, though it could be in the scouting department. A week ago, even the assistants figured they were all out the door. But the bad publicity at the end of last week helped them to return.

...Steve Mariucci? Heard mixed reports. One team source said no way; also heard the folks at NFL Network, where Mooch works, are saying yes. Maybe that's what Mooch is telling people simply to insert himself into the race. Right now, it sounds like a lukewarm rumor. But with the way things have gone, who really knows. As one person inside the building said, ''I don't even think they know who it will be.''

...Larry Brooks is interviewing for the D-line job, a coach confirmed tonight.

...Ron Meeks will interview Tuesday. It's hard to know if he's just a Rooney Rule candidate or a serious one, but heard he was highly prepared during his interview (more so than normal).

...The fact that so many assistants are likely to return has lifted the spirits of more than a few players. On Saturday, talked to one who was very, very down - before the news of Blache's hiring.

...Still trying to figure out if Steve Spagnuolo will be interested even though he can't pick almost none of his assistants. It's not exactly a welcome situation for a first-time coach.

http://was.scout.com/2/719170.html

I've been a lifelong 'skins fan and would love working for 'the organization.' So perhaps a couple of you could put my name out to whoever is incharge up there so I too can get on the internet and spin a sweet song for the dan. I won't even have to move, I could take the night shift.

ABF - anyone but fassel

No

ABS - anyone but Snyder

...Ron Meeks will interview Tuesday. It's hard to know if he's just a Rooney Rule candidate or a serious one, but heard he was highly prepared during his interview (more so than normal).

This is interview #2 for Meeks, is it not? That means the Rooney Rule has done been satisfied for a while now.

I've been a lifelong 'skins fan and would love working for 'the organization.' So perhaps a couple of you could put my name out to whoever is incharge up there so I too can get on the internet and spin a sweet song for the dan. I won't even have to move, I could take the night shift.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 29, 2008 01:54 AM

goosedude - is for sure one of the MF.

goodedude we will not be swayed.

bangkokben = keeping-it-real

...Still trying to figure out if Steve Spagnuolo will be interested even though he can't pick almost none of his assistants.

Assistants: You can't pick just none.

John Keim has apparently been studying the Jasno Method.

[delete]...Gibbs did not endorse Williams...[delete]

Posted by: leevi98 | January 29, 2008 12:50 AM

I know we agreed to disagree in general, but I have to point out that you have absolutely no proof Gibbs didn't endorse Williams privately.

You're OK when you say no one can quote Gibbs endorsing Williams, but you're going too far when you say Gibbs didn't endorse Williams. The fact is, we don't know.

Based on all the examples I gave in previous threads, it's clear to me Gibbs wanted Williams to be his successor. You're free to your own (wrong, IMHO) interpretation, but you can NOT definitively say Gibbs didn't endorse Williams. Neither of us heard what Gibbs said to Snyder privately.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 29, 2008 01:27 AM

I think your misunderstanding me or I'm not as clear as I should be ....I'm not saying he definitely didn't...what i'm just proposing is ..in my mind I just don't feel that if Dan was going against everything Gibbs has suggested or wanted or bulit..I don't think buges would stay...proposing the case that I don't think he would be coming back if Dan were going against Gibbs...thats all

Alan4,

you also took that line out of context

Alan4,

Let me repost this so it does show exactly what I said so it is not misunderstood because you only took out 4 words of mine on your reply. Ya know like taking out the "maybes" i had written before what you copied..It's called conversation

I think everyone needs to get over the fact that Williams was not hired...In my mind....If buges is staying....then that speaks volumes about the direction Gibbs referred to and I think that pretty much tells us that Snyder IS listening to Gibbs on matters and maybe just maybe...Gibbs did not endorse Williams...Buges would not be staying around if this was against what Gibbs had recommended

Posted by: leevi98 | January 29, 2008 12:50 AM

[delete]...Gibbs did not endorse Williams...[delete]

Posted by: leevi98 | January 29, 2008 12:50 AM

I know we agreed to disagree in general, but I have to point out that you have absolutely no proof Gibbs didn't endorse Williams privately.

You're OK when you say no one can quote Gibbs endorsing Williams, but you're going too far when you say Gibbs didn't endorse Williams. The fact is, we don't know.

Based on all the examples I gave in previous threads, it's clear to me Gibbs wanted Williams to be his successor. You're free to your own (wrong, IMHO) interpretation, but you can NOT definitively say Gibbs didn't endorse Williams. Neither of us heard what Gibbs said to Snyder privately.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 29, 2008 01:27 AM

But you don't know him personally and neither do I. The only interaction I've ever had with the man is I said hello to him once when I was on the owner's level of FEDEX Field....

Posted by: goosedude | January 28, 2008 10:17 PM

OOOH goosedude! Go tell Dan that some of use are dorks too but we love the skins and don't want to live the rest of our lives under his vinny-management.

Snyder just needs to talk to 10 people who know something about the NFL ask who should I get to run the once great team. Give him a 4 year contract and sign some checks. Short, chearleader wife, religion, age we don't care. We want the ego put below the common good.

Also how much does Snyder pay?

>>> "The only plausible explanation for the banality on this board is that these adolescents have nothing better to do, or they are adults who are so miserable in their own lives, attacking Dan Snyder makes them feel better.

Posted by: dog-speak | January 29, 2008 12:01 AM"

Few things:

1. Dan Snyder is an impetuous man-child. He acts in full contempt of all the adults around him. He has done this for years. What kind of grown man, a leader of a $1B organization no less, sends gallons of ice cream to an assistant coach, or a plasma television to a player? Seriously, please explain this behavior.

2. Many of us have very fulfilling lives outside of football. We have come together as a community on this blog, which you may discount but is most certainly a harbinger of things to come in the future. I think this Internet thing is going to be pretty big. Just a hunch. Nevertheless, this community of fans, many of whom are scattered around the world but still pledge allegiance to the franchise, are disgusted with the opaque manner in which this man-child has run the coaching search. For a "communications guy" and "marketing genius", he's quite incompetent. I made my entire living running marketing for billion dollar businesses, and I am very confident in my assessment of this man.

3. I'm personally withholding judgement on the coach until The Ombudsman weighs in with his opinion. With his numerous sources and insider information, his daily reporting from Redskins Park, and his unfiltered commentary on the franchise, he has the knowledge we all need to make an accurate assessment of the situation. Where is The Ombudsman when we need him???

The 2 worst owners in the past number of years WERE: 1st. The elder Mr. Bidwell of the St. Louis/Arizona Cardinals and second was Al Davis of the Raiders. The list now has changed to: 1st. Dan Snyder and STILL on the list are: 2nd worst-- Al Davis of the Raiders. I may even move Al Davis to the 2 slot because the Cards have a new coach who had them playing .500 this year.The new list as the worst owner in the WORLD is as follows: 1. Danny--by far!!!--2.The Bidwell family they we moderately good this year and 3. Al Davis of the Radiers--who has almost as much ego problem as Danny boy.

The Redskins have become a laughing stock on the Sirius NFL channel. Brain Mitchell had some very interesting comments about Vinny today. Vinny should have been the only major change in this organization.

We can only hope that Dan will continue to mismanage the Redskins and his other businesses to a point where he is FORCED TO SELL.

None of this is good for the NFL. I know the NFC East owners won't step in, but I wish the other owners would get with the commissioner.

Concerning the comment about Joe Bugel. He did some of his best coaching this past year with how messed up the line is. If he hangs around (part of me wants him to walk) I think it will be out of loyalty to his boys, not the organization.

Whoever comes in here as the HC will be nothing more than a talking head for Dan and Vinny.

Loudouncounty Air

Oh Danny Boy, your pimps, your pimps are trolling
From blog to blog, all 'round the countryside.
The season's gone, and all the joy is dying.
'Tis you, 'tis you must go and we must bide.

But come ye back when hell has frozen over,
And as for Vin, please take him when you go;
For we'll be here in sunshine or in shadow.
Oh Danny Boy, oh Danny Boy, we hate you so.

The Rams are trying to work out a contract with Saunders.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/rams/story/4EE408E1D713AF8B862573DE0075699E?OpenDocument

Robiskie surfaces!

FOUR FALCONS: New Atlanta Falcons coach Mike Smith hired four assistants yesterday, including receivers coach Terry Robiskie and defensive line coach Ray Hamilton.

Robiskie has 25 years of NFL coaching experience, including stints as an interim head coach in Washington and Cleveland. Hamilton spent the last five seasons with Jacksonville, where Smith had been defensive co-ordinator. Also hired were running backs coach Gerald Brown and offensive quality control coach Glenn Thomas.

http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/297824

But come ye back when hell has frozen over,
And as for Vin, please take him when you go;
For we'll be here in sunshine or in shadow.
Oh Danny Boy, oh Danny Boy, we hate you so.

Posted by: TheCrickets007

You were so upbeat yesterday.

Any thoughts on anti-Danny T-shirts.

This Bashing is getting old, Yes Snyder has done things a little backwards in the coaching search. Boy I tell ya, you all call yourself fans, kick em while there down. I understand people aren't happy with the way he's run things, but let the man pick his coach and then let's see what that coach can do before we pass judgment. Enough of the whining

Boy I tell ya, you all call yourself fans, kick em while there down. I understand people aren't happy with the way he's run things, but let the man pick his coach and then let's see what that coach can do before we pass judgment. Enough of the whining

Posted by: drumer197

This is not whining this is white hot anger. 5 years of crap with no adult supervision.

Who is down we were 9-7, we "have a plan", "let the process go forward." You don't think Dan has F things up in 3 short weeks do you?

Our suggestion for a shirt would be the words, "Dan S. - Communications Genius" surrounding a picture of two empty cans attached by a piece of string.

Our suggestion for a shirt would be the words, "Dan S. - Communications Genius" surrounding a picture of two empty cans attached by a piece of string.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 29, 2008 06:42 AM

Love it!

Add to that picture a little pair of scissors hid in his hand behind his back and the inscription "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Thanks

This Bashing is getting old, Yes Snyder has done things a little backwards in the coaching search. Boy I tell ya, you all call yourself fans, kick em while there down. I understand people aren't happy with the way he's run things, but let the man pick his coach and then let's see what that coach can do before we pass judgment. Enough of the whining

Posted by: drumer1972 | January 29, 2008 06:26 AM

Dude, have you watched this team the last 8 years?

Let's put it like this: if you're married and your wife cheats on you, gets high all the time, and treats your kids like Britney Spears, you'd complain about her day and night and you couldn't divorce her fast enough.

Isn't that what we've been getting from Danny for nearly a decade? Think about it: he's high on having control over his favorite team, he promises Super Bowl every year and does nothing to properly achieve that goal, and treats this franchise like its a game of Madden 2008. He's delusional at best, reckless and greedy at worst. And he'll be the only constant on this Redskin team for the next 30 years, barring tragedy. So knowing that this thing will not get better, you're telling me that we should just take our medicine and like it because we love the history and colors? Not likely my friend. I'm not going to give another red cent to Dan Snyder because he has done nothing to earn it. If anything, he's taking advantage of and abusing what used to be a very good, loyal fanbase.

"but let the man pick his coach and then let's see what that coach can do before we pass judgment."

Yeah, but how many coaches get a "pass?"

- Ray

Thanks

Thanks

Thanks

Almost all the assistant coaches are hired and in place and no HC. This is really, really, really a bizarre way of doing things.

He MUST be eventually going to hire Fassel after everyone else is no longer available.

charlie, don't rule out the possibility that all this hiring of assistants has been an elaborate charade, and that Snyder will hire a head coach and then completely change the rest of the coachin