J-la, don't end up in divorce court just for us hamsters....

first holy smoke?

Wow, I wonder if I'm first. If I'm not, then I may have to do some pushups.

We all might aswell just buy the team...or let Snyder continue to alienate continuity...

Yeah, looks like some pushups.

The question I have is whether or not this is a trend. Do coaches around the League view working for the 'Skins as radioactive to their careers? Or is it simply that, well, San Diego 12 months a year is better than DC 12 months a year and that Zorn is a lifelong Seahawk and that Rex Ryan has no interest in doing anything laterally. In other words, is it because of the circumstances involving the individual, or is it because the 'Skins are a moribund franchise in search of leadership?

The saga continues....poor Gregg....

They make it soooo hard to root for the skins. unbelievable.

Is The A Team's relationship with the coaching staff so poor that they have to ask Gibbs to talk to people?

And, if so, does this leave any doubt as to where the trouble originates?

Following that invigorating news break, we now return you to...pies

No offense but if you don't like the job, quit.

Do you realize how many people would love to have your job?

What's the record for longest head coaching search in league history? Maybe the Skins could get a reality show deal out of this? Hell, with no writers strike, this crap is drama gold!

This coaching process sounds more like americas next top model, who looks better standing next to Dan Snyder

The solution to all of this is plain and simple: Gibbs relents and comes back for one more year, and then everyone leaves at the end of their contracts.

Then the Danny and Vinny Show can hire any fool they want.

someone please create this: http://www.joeweneedyouso.com

er.. *WITH the writers strike...

skins.sox:

Remember, Joe is still some kind of liason for Snyder.

And these are HIS coaches; he probably feels that he owes them an update, and even now, if he were to say "Just Fooling!" Snyder would bend over backwards to say "Joe's Back, Part II.5!" So Gibbs has enough pull to get Snyder to cough up; Gibbs cares enough about the coaches to not leave them hanging (remember, some of these guys could easily interview for other positions with the big coaching changes going on in some other cities, too), and he's a class guy... so he's going to speak with them.

What a mess Danny has made. I was almost embarrassed to put on my redskins hat when I jogged this morning. We are the Laughing stock thanks to Danny boy.

Unbelievable that all of the coaches have no idea what is going on. So much for continuity. So much for treating people who work for you with respect. So much for the "Redskins family".

If I were a prospective coach for this owner I would say no thanks. Look at how Danny treats any coach not named Gibbs.

This is a trick! Danny sees how angry everyone is and he is setting Joe up to trick folks into calming down. When everyone is relaxed, he will swoop in and hire Fassel at 12:01 midnight just like the Baltimore Colts heading to Indy!

On a serious note, how pathetic is it that Dan has to get Joe to come back and call the coaches? Obviously, they wouldn't take Dan's calls. What a dik.

You stay classy Joe Gibbs.

SHABINGUS

Laurel vs. beautiful downtown Annapolis? Sure you don't want us common-folk heading for the water, Redcoat?

Posted by: 4-12 | January 24, 2008 04:49 PM

Well, as SMACK has baled out (some poor excuse about "being in the air at that time" or somesuch) it's really just wherever works best for your good self and Mark (from Tomorrow).

Speaking of whom, why don't we just get Mark (from the Future) what the decision was? Or is ther some sort of elaborate rule about not revealing the future to us poor people in the past so as not to interfere, like such as, maps?

Wow, good news!

I wonder if this blog and other fan sites had anything to do with it? ; )

Here is where I stand.

Gregg Williams - Love ya man, but you need to tell the Skins to f off and get a better gig. You were disrespected big time by Snyder and Vinny. Can't see you sticking around for 5 years of that stuff. Too bad cause I was rooting for you.

McDaniels Head Coach Washington Redskins with Blache/Gray assuming the defensive staff and being coordinators thus maintaining "Continuity" on the defense.

Sorry Al, but we didn't see much change since you joined, and that could very well be the fault of Vinny and Dan and their "processes".

Hail.

Why did Joe have to make the call?

He resigned.

No offense but if you don't like the job, quit.

Do you realize how many people would love to have your job?

Posted by: makalb18 | January 24, 2008 04:56 PM

AMEN!!!! Seriously, enough with the complaining about how the Redskins coaching search is affecting your personal life. My God, do you realize how ridiculous you sound Mr. Beat Reporter???

And anyone who believes this kind of stuff (long coaching search process affecting his personal life) has no effect on his coverage is simply being naive.

Dramatic interpretation of Gibbs phone call:

Gibbs: Hello

Coach X: Hey joe hows hick town?

Gibbs Carburator issues you know how it goes...anywhoo so remember how I said sure put that deposit on that new joint in Great Falls...maybe chill on that.

Coach X: Really? I though you had bib baby cowed?

Gibbs: Look I did, he was eating peanut m n m's outta wrinled hands, but than that little lucifer Cerrato got in the way, again, that little damned soul was harshing my rapture at every turn.

Coach X: what does that mean for me, should I stop workin?

Gibbs: Idle hands are the devil's playthings, but I gotta say bub, if I were you I quit breakin down film from Buffalo and like have supper with you wife if you get my jib.

Coach X" gotch. Whats next?

Gibbs: Who knows with this crue? Fear & loathing stalks the halls like a jezebal in Sodom and Gamora. G-Dub is climbing the falls, keeps callin jeff fischer to see if he has a car he can wash. Rumor has it they are talkin to Sam Wyche and lookin to bring in the corpse of Al Coryell b/c he know weird Al's system. I was like "Danny Air Coryell...ever heard of it..uts his system" but he couldn'nt look away from Halo 3 long enough to hear me.

Coach X: Well alright Joe, thanks for update anyway.

Gibbs: Oh almost forgot...all staff meeting next week...travel exspenses on your dime and eat a big lunch if you know what I mean...I hear Cerrato's cut the cafe budget again....Alright I am out, got hit a Huckabee stump event....peace!

The operative phrase "...and that they will gather at Redskins Park next week to be given more information on what their duties will be in the interim."

Must be incredibly embarrassing for them to watch their jobs float away in a very public manner. How odd and uncomfortable.

Stupid skins FO

Blah blah blah Beat Reporter blah blah blah naive blah blah straw man blah blah blah wow, just wow blah blah biased blah blah blah

Posted by: barno | January 24, 2008 05:02 PM

CTRL+C CTRL+V

Lather, rinse and repeat (ad nauseum).

Start worrying now - after this clusterfutz, there won't be many victories on Sundays for a very long time. How does 3-13 sound to you for 2008? Get used to it - the organizational damage heaped upon the team by Beavis and Butthead will resound here for years. It will be WORSE than the bad old days of Spurrier and Norv. No decent coach will want to work here. No decent player (UFA) will want to come here. The days of starry-eyed optimism are done. Get used to it.

Posted by: tafka | January 24, 2008 05:02 PM

Fan reaction to Fassel has been intense!

Finally some good news!

Bring on Spaguolo and McDaniels!!

And they can get up and quit...and walk immediately away from a severence/buy-out. Not a smart move. They have no other choice but to wait it out, pick up their check, and look for something else, assuming there are still unfilled slots available throughout the league.

Obviously, they wouldn't take Dan's calls.

Posted by: herb | January 24, 2008 05:00 PM

And here we have the winner of the most idiotic comment of the day. Congratulations Herb! Your prize is a TiVo'd copy of Washington Post Live starring host Russ Thaler and The Beat Reporter. And yes, it will be signed by Barno, and should arrive in the mail sometime before Christmas.

Of 2028.

The man can't buy a break. He doesn't hire a guy because the FANS went nutzoid at the mere thought of it and he's still a putz?

That said...Why are they meeting individually with someone whoe retired from the organization? Maybe he is a putz.

And the three ring circus continues.

2 of my very good friends, 1 a die-hard Cowgirls fan and the other a die-hard Eagles fan, are both praying that we hire Fassell. That should say enough!

Thanks for the prize Barno. It's a little something nice to have on an otherwise poopy Redskins day. I'll park it right in the heavy metal parking lot bro.

Ditto Barno

Dannyboy has to use Gibbs to give us info. What the heck does Vinny do? They are bunch of cowards!

Continuity. You have to love it. If Dan and Vinny hadf their druthers this playoff team who finished this passionate season as the hottest in the league would not just change it's entire coaching staff but also scheme to be a west coast offense with a 3-4 defense. because Vinny and GW are not best buddies you throw away four years of building, trading draft picks for players that fit his scheme? Our best defensive player last year, London Fletcher came here to play for Williams. Our drafting of Landry, McIntosh, C Rogers were for Williams. And now because Vinny is upset that it was GW that had Gibbs' ear and not Vinny's we will dismantle everything? This is ASSININE!!!!

You wonder why Gibbs couldnt give his coaching staff a better endorsment. He tried, but I am sure it went like this.
Dan- What about Greg
Joe- Well he's super smart
Dan- ok what about Al
Joe he he hehhheeee heeee heee heeeeeee heeeee heeeeee. Real couragous
Dan- Don Breoux?
Joe- he's still alive?

AMEN!!!! Seriously, enough with the complaining about how the Redskins coaching search is affecting your personal life. My God, do you realize how ridiculous you sound Mr. Beat Reporter???

And anyone who believes this kind of stuff (long coaching search process affecting his personal life) has no effect on his coverage is simply being naive.

Posted by: barno | January 24, 2008 05:02 PM

And here we have the winner of the most pathetic comment of the day. Congratulations Barno! Your prize is an empty "Heavy Metal Parking Lot" DVD box, a copy of "Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing" to improve your two-fingered typing speed, a lifetime supply of prescription strength deodorant and 5c to buy yourself a better life!

Broken Record is a legitimate negotiating stance but it isn't the only one, you know? Give yourself a break.

Uh, Politcal Strtgst- Seriously? You're going there with the religious insults? WTF?

Look, I think Snyder is a pr!ck too, but there is NO REASON to even mention his religion. That's just ugly. Bash the man all you want for his business practices, his ineptitude as an owner, his poor choice in cronies, etc. but leave religion out of it. His religion does not make him a bad person. The fact that he taking our beloved football team and turning it into the laughingstock of the league, on the other hand...

This is just a scheme by Snyder. No one knows he's actually a promoter for Barnum & Bailey Circus. Ingenious!!

I have an update:

HIRE GREGG WILLIAMS!

If Snyder doesn't, he is a boob.

I think everyone in the NFL is probably pi$$ed at Snyder. He's interviewing guys for jobs that they can't take and pushing the price up. Danny pull the trigger!!!!! Are you really going to wait until after the Super Bowl and interview a DC who has one year at the job and an OC who has already said he isn't interested in a HC job. What you think you can buy Bellichek?

I was a little worried that maybe a late hiring of a Head Coach might effect the team. San Diego was the last team to sign a Head Coach last season, and they didn't do that until Feb 20th. Didn't seem to effect them too much.

a copy of "Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing" to improve your two-fingered typing speed, a lifetime supply of prescription strength deodorant and 5c to buy yourself a better life!

Posted by: Redcoat | January 24, 2008 05:14 PM

LMAO!!

Okay guys take a breath. Yeah, Snyder screwed up with Griliams. What I want to know is why? Why do they not want him to be the HC. If he and Vinny aren't that close so what? Give him the job, if he doesn't get you to the playoffs the first year then get rid of him (bad move I think but..). As far as league rep goes, that can change fast. Remmeber when the Pats were the league laughing stock? Or how about the Colts? UFA's care about one thing, getting paid. Some are looking for a ring and will take less to win but if you survive long enough to test the waters, you know it is your big chance to get set up for life. Issues aside, The Danny has never been shy about coughing up the cash. I think he's making the wrong move on the coaching thing but no reason to drive off the cliff yet. Heck, maybe Jack Pardee is available!

Wow! All those who were foaming at the mouth over how long the process was taking are going to love this. I genuinely fear for the sanity and safety of some of the people who have been blogging on here the last day or two. We just need to chill and let what will be, well, be.

Was rooting for Williams to get the gig but that ain't gonna happen now. Would like to see McDaniels get it now.

Apologies - I can see how that reads badly...I did not mean it in that way...I would be happy someone (webmaster) strikes my note off...gives the wrong idea...it was written with a different perspective.

Anyone have an email address for Coach Gibbs?

Joe's gone for two weeks and look what happens. No communication by management with the coaching staff at all in 16 days?!!! This seems like the shabby underbelly of corporate America Darwinian politics at its worst. Where's Dilbert?

The great thing about being a 'Skins fan with Gibbs in charge, and especially under Mr. Cooke, was that the organization had dignity and class. When the 'Skins won you could feel the good guys won. The players had gravitas and character. You felt an emotional respect for the organization. And when they won, it made you feel maybe a little better about yourself, about what is possible. You felt it like a nostalgia, like the gold and orange light of a late October afternoon, to see your breath in the cool air and to think about last week's game and next week's, with a sense of connection and heightened possibility.

This fellow who owns the team now seems bent on destroying every last shred of that. Eventually he'll blow up his P&L statement too.

I am about to retire as a 'Skins fan. Who to root for now? I can't bear to root for Philly. Dallas is totally out of the question. Maybe New York? They're kind of classy, and the way they took Coughlin to the wood shed about his drama queen act rather than fire him--and now look at them.

Can I bear to say it, Go Giants! Oh my God. :-0

Fan reaction to Fassel has been intense...

Ya think?

Lisa, there is a "contact us" link on his website, (joegibbsonline.com) but I'm not sure it goes directly to him.

If the coaching search is really going to last for 2-3 more weeks, TheCindy will need to revise her blog count goal. At the current rate, we will reach 200,000 by Draft Weekend.

I'm convinced if the NFL let them draft a dream team of coaches from across the league, the team would still struggle as long as Chief Beltbuckle Danny and his squaw Vinny Kissbutt are running the show. What a joke.

That was a terrible comment by "Political_Strategst" - we definitely need some comment review on here.

This coaching search is a debacle. Will Williams be willing to stay as HC now, even of the job is offered? Doubtful. I thought, perhaps, they were going to make Williams HC, Fassel OC and Ryan or Schwartz DC - but I guess that would make too much sense.

By the way, if our "talent evaluator" is sitting in Potomac, who the heck is scouting for this team? Not our future ex-assistant coaches, that's fo sure.

Gibbs with the classy move, giving the coaches an update. I can see why people love working and playing for him.

Skins were lucky to have him.

Bottom line - none of the candidates in the Super Bowl are markedly better than what is already available.

This appointment should have come this week.

This process is like a pregnancy - the baby must be born no later than 9 months.

Later is not good in any way.

Seems like there should be a way to track which assistant coaches have contracts that are about to expire (and which ones are still under contract), you know, and how to defer the interviews that seem like they would be used as leverage by the interviewee to get his own team to re-negotiate and enhance that contract.

Actually, seems like there might be lots of ways to do this more nimbly.

"Fan reaction to Fassel has been intense, and the team has taken pause in the process."

I wish I could believe that Jason, but all indications over the years is that Leprechaun Danny could care less what the fans really think and more about his change purse.

Again, hiring a new coach is part of the process. Gibbs retired after all. But whomever told him Fassell could coach is beyond me. How many times does a guy get canned before people realize that he can't coach?

It's not so much Gregg Williams, but it's about Leprechuan Danny. At least to me.

You bring a new coaching staff in and they are going to blow up the team, it always happens.

How many years are they going to be "rebuilding" this team anyway?

It's very frustrating being a Redskins fan right now, the team clearly has NO direction and it's only getting worse not better.

- Ray

Apologies - I can see how that reads badly...I did not mean it in that way...I would be happy someone (webmaster) strikes my note off...gives the wrong idea...it was written with a different perspective.

Posted by: Political_Stratgst | January 24, 2008 05:18 PM

Really. You see how that reads badly. I'm so proud of you. Please enlighten us on what the right idea and that different perspective are supposed to be. I'm dying to know.

The reactions of our comrades at Extremeskins to this coach search debacle is just as hysterical as here. Beavis and Butthead must be proud.

The rest of the NFL wont touch the Redskins now. Can you say....
COACH SYNDER?!?!?!

Why are they ASSuming that those SB coordinators would even be interested in interviewing? McDaniels already said he's not interviewing and there will be more jobs next year with better front office/ownership structures.

It's like your first 3 choices in the vending machine are gone. Just go ahead and take E4: peanut butter crackers.

I have been a Redskins fan for more than 30 years, and if this nimrod owner hires anyone but Gregg Williams I will not watch one single game next year(though it's sometimes difficult to see games anyway, since I live in the Tampa area). All the crap Snydley spewed about wanting continuity and wanting to build off of last year makes him look like a big fat liar. Granted, it's his perogative to hire whoever he wants and JKC Stadium(refuse to call it the other name) will still be sold out no matter who he hires. But if he truly cared about his players and Redskin fans he will hire GW and give him a year. If they tank, you fire him and hire Cowher. If he's successful then he's a genius. If this dink hires Fassel, he should be run out of town on his jet never to return.

"Bottom line - none of the candidates in the Super Bowl are markedly better than what is already available."

If this is truly the case then why not hire Williams as head coach and give it a shot? What is the worst thing that can happen?

If it doesn't work out then you fire him a year from now and bring on Cowher. You don't just blow everything up because you want to prove you're the owner to everyone.

It seems like Leprechaun Danny just wants to play with his toy is all, it sucks.

- Ray

where's Pepper when you need him?

OK, waiting until after SB seems reasonable. If only to prevent Dan from anointing a stale retread like Fassel. I think GW should walk away now too, but he ain't stupid. Make Dan fire you and pay out the rest of the contract. What a win-win - don't have to work for Vinny, and still get paid. I hope the rest of the staff get the same deal, because it must suck to twist in the breeze like that.

It is indeed a sad state of affairs when Dan and Vinny, flying around the country in Redskins One loaded with bags full of cash, can't close the deal on a bunch of assistant coaches.

Man, I love this stuff! I can't believe how quiet it's been the past four years!

"If they tank, you fire him and hire Cowher."

Lol, exactly!

- Ray

The scouts who work for Vinny are who is scouting right now, at the Senior Bowl primarily this week.

so maybe flapjacks really did piss coach joe off when he sent 10 guys out to start the game without telling anyone . . . . he must have really hurt Danny's feelings.

The big wheel turns. Did Snyder really think that Norv would let his QB coach go to the Skins. Time for a little payback for the Danny.

I wish I could believe that Jason, but all indications over the years is that Leprechaun Danny could care less what the fans really think and more about his change purse.

Posted by: rmcazz | January 24, 2008 05:25 PM

Hey why are you picking on the Irish. I happen to know that Snyder isn't Irish and no leprechaun would mess up this badly.

"The scouts who work for Vinny are who is scouting right now, at the Senior Bowl primarily this week."

Yeah well it's not like they are going to draft any of those guys, they will just trade the picks away.

- Ray

If Gregg doesn't get the HC job it would be an insult!!! He carried us to our last two postseason appareances...and carried us on our only postseason win in a decade.
Yes, he had a bad year last year...and it was evidenced directly in the record, because the offense couldn't compensate (just like he did two years ago and this year). Come on. He got the job done, other coaches want him, players want him, fans want him...but the only person that matters...Baby Snyder, doesn't...what a shame..

I thought Snyder was a scientologist (the people that believe E.T. and Tom Cruise will one day mate and produce millions of little green men with creepy grins who will lead us to the promised land for a reasonable seven-figure donation).

Other teams around the league are getting on with the off-season ... you know, hiring assistants, finding the available free agents who can be brought in now that the the roster isn't capped any more, maps, such as ...

See, for example, San Diego. Not only do they fire a position coach, they also replace him. http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80634d72&template=with-video&confirm=true But, you know, its probably OK to wait on these types of decisions, because they can just be filled by anyone, whenever. Good thing the VP of Player Personnel got promoted to EVP of Football Operations. Things are running as smoothly as silk. Keep it up!

"Hey why are you picking on the Irish. I happen to know that Snyder isn't Irish and no leprechaun would mess up this badly."

Lol, you're probably right. :)

Sorry little green guys. ;)

- Ray

Snyder just doesn't get it fans and players don't want Fassel, Steve Spaguolo or Josh McDaniels. We want Greg Williams!! DO YOU HEAR THAT SNYDER? If Williams sucks hire one of these guys next year, i can promise Fassel will be free.

I gave up my season tickets this past season. This coming season I may give up rooting for the team and watching the games. This owner simply makes it too difficult to enjoy being a fan any longer, and the only thing he will understand is his revenue dropping. As long as Washington fans pay for this unprofessional mess, it will continue. It's become clear Snyder is incapable on his own of learning how to be an owner or run a quality NFL franchise like Pittsburgh or New England.

Snyder is an ignorant delusional clown. It's a real shame that this guy owns our team, to say the least. My anger and frustration with him are very strong.
But this idiot nazi "stratgyst" should be kicked out in the alley for good too.
- Goldenfried

The rest of the NFL wont touch the Redskins now. Can you say....
COACH SYNDER?!?!?!

Posted by: harrelsonw | January 24, 2008 05:28 PM

Yep. I've been saying it for about a week now, but that was based on Snyder telling the truth about continuity:

1. Coach Williams
2. Coach Snyder
3. Coach Spineless Pawn

If Snyder blows up the team, all bets are off. Likewise, since Snyders seems to be burning so many bridges along the way (with his current staff), all bets are off.

The burning question in my mind: What happened in those 4 interviews with Williams? What was (were) the sticking point(s)?

Oh no. Just when things couldn't get any worse ... Kucinich just dropped out of the Presidential race.

Let's keep the heat on the whole Fossil thing. It bought us a little time (maybe we had something to do with it) but we're not out of the woods yet.

ATTENTION: SEASON TICKET HOLDERS!!!

When you get bad service at a restaurant, do you keep going back, hoping it will improve? When the chefs burn your food, do you keep returning because you are hopeful they will slowly return and get better? When you buy furniture that turns out to be garbage, do you buy more from the same place?

THEN WHY DO YOU KEEP RENEWING YOUR SEASON TICKETS???

Send Beavis and Butthead the only message they will understand: CANCEL YOUR SEASON TICKETS AND STOP SUPPORTING THESE JOKERS FINANCIALLY.

Thank you very much. We will now return to our normal programming.

Apologies -

Pol_strat you should have stopped there. I know you weren't thinking. Going further only confirmed it.

I know that the Constitution outlines the procedures for impeachemnt and removal of a president but doesn't make any reference to how this is done in regards to an NFL team owner???

If anyone is aware of how to do this, please share...

Where's Capt'n Kent Cook when we need him???

(He died, Bob...)

Oh???

Beam me up Scotty... It's gonna be another 100 years of 8-8, 7-9 and and a few 9-7 teams....

February? Is Williams really in the mix then? I can live with an extended coaching search if that's what it takes to find someone they're comfortable with. But this whole soap opera with keeping Williams (and now Fassel too) around ostensibly as a coaching candidate is ridiculous. Addtionally, if Fassel's their guy they should ignore what the fans are saying and just hire him. Isn't Vinny being paid to make these sort of calls now?

If Fassel is coach then I find another team to root for.

Danny Boy... take your head out of we all know where.

Ridiculous Prediction Time

I give it 2 weeks before the unveiling of Joe Gibbs, part III

You know Tom's texting Dan about all the successful hollywood trilogies and the box office bonanza they produced. Plus, he's already unmasked Gregg Williams as a Suppressive Person, so Gregg's HC chances are up in smoke.

Just give it some time...

Adam

I just want to take a moment to praise myself for my excellent self control.

I work as a consultant at a big company that has many buildings spread out over its campus (no, not that one), and I had to go to a meeting today in a building to which I had never been. As I turned to walk down a corridor toward the conference room that was my destination in this unfamiliar building, the name plate on the very first cube that I passed read "Dan Snyder."

I didn't lay a finger on the guy. Didn't even give him a dirty look.

I am in the shabingus, but I am not of the shabingus.

Thank you.

With all these baseless worthless opinions about the coaching search, I'm becoming numb.
Here's the truth people, none of us know who will ultimately be a good coach and who won't be. This is much ado about nothing. I would be with everyone if the leading candidate was Rich Kotite, but this nonsense is getting ridiculous.

Snyderrato are just doing their due diligence. There's a plan, people. Remember, nothing's broken here!

Kotite? Fossil? What's the difference?

Re: the anti-Semitic post: what Herb et al. said. I'd be inclined to accept PS' retraction/apology, though. I can't understand what would motivate such a comment, but most real WWW anti-Semites would never retract it; they'd be proud.

Good news is, Fassel was run up the flag pole, nobody saluted, so it looks like the search is on again. I'm personally not enamored of GWill, not pro, not anti either. I'd consider D Green. He's of the Walsh coaching tree, he was pretty decent in MIN (he got B Billick a nice little run in BAL), he wasn't successful in AZ (but who is) and he didn't exactly leave the cupboard bare there. I'm not saying hire, but I'd talk to him. I'd sure take him over Jim "Has anyone seen Kotite and him in the same room" Fassel. But then, I'd take Bruce Coslet over Fassel . . .when one of your best friends fires you because you are THAT BAD, you are, in fact, that bad.

PS You should never hire someone beyond their demonstrated competency. Give Fassel QB guru status; he has still not demonstrated competence as an OC or HC.

Next step in the search:

OPEN COACHING AUDITIONS!

Have you ever wanted to coach a professional football team? Well, here's your chance! Apply immediately - auditions begin soon!

Snyder just doesn't get it fans and players don't want Fassel, Steve Spaguolo or Josh McDaniels. We want Greg Williams!! DO YOU HEAR THAT SNYDER? If Williams sucks hire one of these guys next year, i can promise Fassel will be free.

YOU don't get it lol, Snyder doesn't care what the fans want or the players for that matter. Becreful what you wish for, GW was 17-32 in Buffalo and no playoffs ! the team will continue to be mediocre as long as little napoleon owns it !

Well, Danny, it is ALL about YOU, isn't it?

"Hi. I'm Dan Snyder. I'm an idiot."

I think the post yesterday outlining the pending insurrection on the D side of the ball in 2006 should give everyone pause on the Grilliams hire. Yeah, he got the control back and changed his scheme to match his talent. How much of that was him and how much was Gibbs. I can see Gibbs and Vinny looking at GG and saying "You get one FA and Landry, that's it go make it work or start packing." But as HC can you imagine GG berating CP or ARE or Moss in front of everyone. I still believe that Snyder wants a calming influence at the top and I'm not sure GG is the answer.

Here's the truth people, none of us know who will ultimately be a good coach and who won't be.
Posted by: croftonpost | January 24, 2008 05:43 PM

We may not know this but we can sure make an educated guess.

Tafka has a point- remember when Facial took the G-men to 4-12? (I believe one of his final losses was to the skins when Danny handed Bruce Smith his sack record robe...stains and all)

Anyway, the NY fans literally stopped going to the games and the ownership responded. Ridiculous that the guy responsible for all that is the coach that Snyder wants to tap.

Hey,

Hillary is looking for a job in Washington lol. Bill can be the DC !

What to think??? On one hand, I dread a new set of actors, new playbook and more waiting for a good team to show up. On the other hand, IF Danny senses that Williams is NOT the answer, then maybe, just maybe, the extra time interviewing prospects will finally get a team of coaches here to make us think we're back in the 80's. Let's not forget, before we lost Sean, this season was about as frustrating as I can remember. What a sad commentary that it took the death of a teammate to motivate these professionals to play up to their talent level. Something needs to change!!!

Danny is the young, hot chick with no class (metaphor people, work with me) and Greggggorio is the nice, hard working, loyal boyfriend who deserves better but doesn't have the stones to say "Cya, you ain't worth it honeycakes" I love the guy, but he needs to man up and walk. As much as I don't want him to, he doesn't deserve to be yanked around like a 2 dollar yo-yo. We've all been there. Women...billionaires...

"The burning question in my mind: What happened in those 4 interviews with Williams? What was (were) the sticking point(s)?"

That should be easy to figure out, Williams didn't kiss Leprechuan Danny's arse.

It's kinda like that scene in Gladiator where the wuss Comodos(sp?) set his ring out for Maximus to kiss after he killed his father, and Maximus walked away knowing Comodos was a back-stabber.

I'm sure it was something like that. ;)

- Ray

And now, as previously promised, a return to normal programming.

I bid you all Quiche.

Snyder has been around long enough now that the league knows his behavior. No more surprises. He has no political capital or goodwill to spend to get the next wave of coaches. And I am sure that some of the more established owners are chuckling that he is getting taken to the woodshed in a public humiliation. The once proud and storied franchise can't find a new coaching staff. Even junior coaches are willing to sit this out and stay with their current organizations. Somewhere tonight Norv, Marty and Spurrier are all having a laugh at the expense of Snyder & Co. If this debacle drags on into February, any new staff will have to rely on the off-season work being done by Williams and Saunders et. al. Some irony there - a new regime playing out the agenda of the previous staff. The next wave will be agents refusing to have their client's contracts renegotiated and demands for trades out of town. This is only the beginning. Snyder is reaping what he has sown. Don't confuse making money with being a successful, principled leader.

I was a Williams fan, but Fassel isn't the worst choice in the world. What IS ridiculous is how this process has turned into a three ring circus. It also demonstrates that Danny Boy and Vinny learned nothing from Gibbs about football, the football business or common decency. Which is really disheartening.

I think Snyder is looking for someone that can provide a calming influence emotionally but has the drive and passion that Gibbs lacked this time around. That is not GG. You get in his dog house and you are done. Ask Arrington.

Lauren and the kids are going to love that.

By Jason La Canfora

Please cut JLC some slack, people. After what he did on the Sean Taylor story, he's earned it. This space is a blog, not a column. It's supposed to include dopey stuff like "My kid has a cold..."

This is also the price we pay for watching sausage being made (i.e., sports reporting as it happens, warts and all). I for one would still prefer Jason's updates (imperfect as they may be) to the once-a-day inanities and inaccuracies of the "other Washington newspaper."

Please people, If we learn anything through all this, the name if FASSEL!!!!! Not FOSSIL. I feel better now.

"Not FOSSIL."

What's the difference? They are both OLD and used up. :P

- Ray

It's clear The Danny didn't learn much during Coach Joe's tenure. He's right back to acting, well, like The Danny. Big splash or bust!

Hire Williams!

(Of course, The Danny is more than likely to wave millions under Cowher's nose next year, no matter how well the next coach does. He can't help himself.)

Please people, If we learn anything through all this, the name if FASSEL!!!!! Not FOSSIL. I feel better now.

Posted by: jmich001 | January 24, 2008 05:56 PM

Freudian Slip

Everyone at my work who aren't Ravens dorks are so depressed with what has happened. Seriously Mr Snyder and Mr Cerrato, do you enjoy knowing that literally all the people with whom you share this metro area DESPISE YOU WITH ACUTE PASSION? JIM FASSELL? By god man do you know now that no good coach will ever EVER come to DC again to lead this once proud franchise while you own it?? That you have destroyed that which you love?

Sell this team now. You've made what $500 million? Call it a day sir.

NEWS 4's top story is a written proposal from fenty to the skins to bring them back to dc

So what are the odds that this extends beyond the Super Bowl, Snyder is further rebuffed in his efforts to find another coach, and he finally gives in and offers the job to GggW? It's a "Well, look who's come crawling back" moment, and Snyder's hand is forced into giving GggW whatever it was that GggW wanted in the first place.

Bring back the Tracker...I think we're gonna need it.

This process is like a pregnancy - the baby must be born no later than 9 months.

Later is not good in any way.

Posted by: gdennie | January 24, 2008 05:25 PM

I was two weeks late, what are you saying??? Haha

His Momma called him Fossil, Ima call him Fossil.

Dude, we know, everyone gets a nickname up here.

"all indications coming from the braintrust "

Sorry Jason what is this "braintrust" you speak of?

u know every year there a new circus in town, unfortunately its the Redskins.

In this last go round, i lost many years of adoration and respect for joe Gibbs. Being the messenger boy today is a classic reason why.

With all these baseless worthless opinions about the coaching search, I'm becoming numb.
Here's the truth people, none of us know who will ultimately be a good coach and who won't be. This is much ado about nothing. I would be with everyone if the leading candidate was Rich Kotite, but this nonsense is getting ridiculous.

Posted by: croftonpost | January 24, 2008 05:43 PM

Wow, someone who makes some sense. What happens if GW takes the team next year to 6-10. Well, I can tell you. Fire GW!!!!!!!!! I love it how emotionaly attached everyone is to Joe Gibbs and who he brought in. Let it go people and stop living in the past.

Real Redskins player news! Young guys signed to the off-season roster.....

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=34070

McDaniel, being schooled in NE, would never come close to this situation. Career killer. He knows where his bread is buttered. Same for Zorn. Fassel just wants back in the game as well as the big payday - get his chips on the table. Schwartz is a disciple of Williams and I would doubt that he would submarine his mentor. Snyder & Co. are too clever by half. And it's delicious irony that all this mayhem follows the Cerrato EVP announcement. Last I checked, the sorry, no account Dolphins aren't having problems staffing up.

The Owner (and this EVP) are probably thinking about how to take a mulligan on this one. He is, after all, a marketing and communications genius. Maybe re-branding Fassel might work ... how about Coach Fassizzel? The all new, young, go getter coach? No? OK. Never mind.

[Personally, I am not strong anti-Fassel ... just having some fun with words here.]

Please people, If we learn anything through all this, the name if FASSEL!!!!! Not FOSSIL. I feel better now.

Posted by: jmich001 | January 24, 2008 05:56 PM
Hey moron! We know that! Ever heard of sarcasm.

To jaypem's point... as a former newsman, being on assigment beats you down. The demands of a 9-5 job are no comparision whatsoever. I know because I have one now. Your phone never stops ringing, you never know when you'll be off the clock and it definitely takes its toll on your home life. Plus, part of the blog is getting a look into everyone's personal life beyond the stories that get filed here. Show the guy some respect.

WTF??? Are you saying that your wife and children have a problem with you doing your job? Jason, you need to either grow a pair or find another line of work. I know that the life of a newspaper schlub like yourself is not always glamorous, but sometimes a beat reporter needs to hunker down for a while and follow the story no matter where it goes. You have a ton of downtime between the draft and training camp, so suck it up...no one cares about how hard your life is.

Hey moron! We know that! Ever heard of sarcasm.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 24, 2008 06:06 PM

"Earth to Meekus..."

Here's my take and preference:
1- Apologize to Williams and get him as HC
2- short of that, take a gamble on a new coach hotshot. Russ Grimm anyone?

If I don't see Williams as coach, Grimm, or someone new, I'm done as a fan. I get my Sundays back. And I say this as a 3rd generation hard-core fan, pulled out of elementary school to attend two championship parades.

Question I have is how much of an influence can Gibbs have over Snyder and Smithers (I mean Vinny) if this is how things are run?

I'm thinking Snyder is indeed looking for an offensive mind (no pun intended) to be the head coach.

Because there is a limited pool of talent out there, the best thing that Snyder can do (besides the obvious promotion of Grilliams) is to hire away the best talent he can afford from other teams, preferably those in the NFC East.

This would at least have the happy side effect of disabling our opponents.

Bright young minds would help a lot.

On that note, please save Olivetti.
Pretty please!

Olive....confetti....Olivetti!

Snyder is running this franchise like a Corporation and not a Football organization...he doesn't get it...this is FOOTBALL...not some company with an IPO...FANS are the ones that are keeping you in business...and have been making this team the NUMBER ONE grossing franchise in the league...you can still make money AND keep us happy you IDIOIT!!! All this would have been done if we hired Gregg on...come on DAN...are you getting too old? Are you at the end of your ropes trying to bring a Super Bowl back to DC??...you are a CLOWN!!! Vinny your butt-buddy is the absolute WORST...the perfect definition of a Martini Redskin fan that gets drunk in the 1st quarter and finds out what happened in the game AFTERWARDS...this is such a joke..

Joe will u please call the coaches and tell them lil danny is sorry. I know i tried to give there jobs away last night, but i was just foolin. Cmon dan i know u suck but i thought u were better than that. Guess not!!

It's really a shame how the "so called" leadership in Ashburn is treating it's coaches....leaving them in limbo like that...it really is sicknening!!

How can Snyder expect to have anyone respect him?!

A few thoughts...

- If The Danny is not convinced that Williams is his guy, he should not hire him.

- The fact that Ryan and Zorn are not coming to Washington (assuming the FO wants them) does not mean that no one wants to work for The Danny. I know I would not want to uproot my family for a lateral move (it is essentially a lateral move for Zorn giving the expectation, i.e. promise, that he will be Seattle OC in a year).

- It is good that this process is taking time. No need to rush into big changes.

- It may have been a foregone conclusion that Weird Al was gone next year unless he was named HC. With him being gone, there was always going to be a new offensive system.

All that being said, I am still not a Fossil fan. As I look back on his tenure, I can't recall any standout Gints. He certainly never had a quarterback - K. Collins I seem to recall. What talent did he have to work with? Tiki during his fumblitis years?

Help me out here - I know Fossil's overall win/loss record is not stellar, but he did bring them to the Super Bowl. What talent did he have on the team?

"Let it go people and stop living in the past."

Read more then one bloggers notes before you pass judgement on us all please.

Give Williams a year, if he fails then you cut him loose and bring in Cowher.

This all started when Fassell got into the mix anyway. It's not so much Williams as it is that Fassell has been fired so many times it's not even funny. This and you know he's going to blow up the team right after he praised "continuity" at Gibbs presser.

If there is nothing better out there right now then what does it hurt to give the guy a shot? If he fails then you've lost nothing. Leprechaun Danny has learned absolutely nothing.

Jim Fassell, your NEW head coach of the Washington Redskins.

Yeah right....barf!

- Ray

4-12, good to see they're locking up potential young guys like Mason, Eubanks and Westbrook!

U know its not so much Fassel its not so much not hirin Gregg. Like its been said on here a couple times it just the way its being handled. Have some respect for the coaches that have been here and worked for u through Gibbs tenure. I mean just show some class for gods sake!! I mean these guys have familys let em no where they stand. Just hangin them all out to dry like this is sickening. Why would anyone want to come here and coach if this is what they can expect.

I'm actually happy for Jim Zorn that he's staying in Seattle. Can't argue with quality of life, and in a year he'll be OC for the Seahawks and will get to remain in the city he knows and loves and which knows and loves him.

"Real Redskins player news! Young guys signed to the off-season roster ..."

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=34070

Posted by: 4-12 | January 24, 2008 06:04 PM

4-12,

Peeps coming here nowadays aren't interested in Redskin Player News; they just want to b!tch at the head coach situation (or b!tch at peeps who are b!tching about the head coach situation).

Nice pull though. Still, I'm not sure I would call it "news" ... it was "news" back on January 18th in THIS thread at 3:57pm. http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/01/meeksmora.html

4-12, good to see they're locking up potential young guys like Mason, Eubanks and Westbrook!

Posted by: kost52 | January 24, 2008 06:17 PM

Verdun-Wheeler has some real potential, too.

Whatever happened to Dallas Sartz? Is he a free agent or did another team pick him up?

I think it's a little unfair to automatically blame Danny for all this, for all we know Gregg is the candidate Snyder likes best, but Williams might have demanded the same sort of control that Gibbs had, so Danny is holding out, looking at other candidates, maybe in the hope that Williams will back down from his demands.

We don't know what the specifics of the situation are, there is a chance, albeit small, the The Danny IS doing the right thing.

kost, sween- Figured I try to get a little football talk going. Not much left to gripe about with the coach situation, and it's been a slow day for "bizarre yet irritatingly relevant" news.

Oh no. Just when things couldn't get any worse ... Kucinich just dropped out of the Presidential race.

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2008 05:38 PM

This is good news. We have an opening for an offensive coordinator and he's about as offensive as they get. Does Mr. Snyder have his number.

And for that, 4-12, I applaud you.

Did you notice my attempt to try and recycle the "bizarre but delicious" deep fried hot dogs wrapped in bacon and stuffed with cheeze-whiz link?

Also, that bacon cheddar meatloaf with pork and veal has been haunting me all day.

kost--

I'm in agreement with your scenario. I think Williams overplayed his hand and Snyder spent four meetings with him trying to find a compromise. But I also think what the sticking point could have been was not player control but coach control. Dan may want to select the OC and the DC. Remember, that's why he fired Marty when Marty wouldn't switch his OC. Snyder's a bit of a micromanager, no?

POSTED 6:03 p.m. EST, January 24, 2008

RYAN WILLING TO WORK FOR HARBAUGH by Michael David Smith

Despite getting passed over for the head coaching job in Baltimore, Ravens defensive coordinator Rex Ryan says he's content to stick around next year on the staff of new head coach John Harbaugh.

"I know people in the organization, I'm not uncomfortable with what happened, I know John Harbaugh and I like him. If I don't get hired, I'm glad he did," Ryan said today, per Jamison Hensley of the Baltimore Sun.

Ryan is still under contract to the Ravens, has been scouting for them at Senior Bowl practices this week, and he tells Hensley that he's happy to stay there. He did hint that he would like a raise, however.

"I hope everything works out financially, but I'm going right to my office at the Ravens tomorrow," Ryan said.

from pft.....

I missed that attempt sween. Been dropping in and out up here today...

I find the mention that Gibbs is telling the assistant coaches what the poop is is actually hilarious. Didn't Joe go to North Carolina for the fortnight? I think that whatever Joe says now is basically without credibility. If I were a an assistant coach I would be wondering WTF even as Joe was talking.

On the other hand, maybe Joe said something like, "Boys, we cashed in on Danny's money for 4 mediocre years. This gig is all played out now. I would be speed dialing for other team's openings now. ....Oh gosh, I guess it might be kind of late in season for that. Sorry."

Jeff Hayes is the man!

The Packers Bikini Girls are back. "More pub, but won't wear less." Uh, somebody get Heff on the phone.

http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/14179697.html

TE - Definitely, maybe Dan wants to cut ties with Saunders and Gregg does not.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22811104/

sween--

You had some player names the other day that you'd gotten out of Wikipedia. Have you found out whether they're really on the roster or just another Wikipedia hoax?

sween--

Never mind.

maybe Joe said something like, " This gig is all played out now. I would be speed dialing for other team's openings now."

Posted by: driley | January 24, 2008 06:31 PM

More likely he's trying to hire six or seven of them to change tires on the pit crew at Joe Gibbs Racing. I'm sure Bugel and Breaux are good with a lug wrench, or could be for the right price.

What's the rush - no other team is looking for a head coach anymore.

Gibbs has as much class as a street-walker. He is the one who created this mess. Everyone kissing his butt, it is time you take your head from where the sun don't shine and smell the roses.

I don't agree with Snyder not giving the head coaching job to Williams but that is his prerogative. I don't blame Vinnie for trying to get as much power as he can, who wouldn't.

I blame Gibbs for creating such a mess.

Gibbs has as much class as a street-walker. He is the one who created this mess. Everyone kissing his butt, it is time you take your head from where the sun don't shine and smell the roses.

I don't agree with Snyder not giving the head coaching job to Williams but that is his prerogative. I don't blame Vinnie for trying to get as much power as he can, who wouldn't.

I blame Gibbs for creating such a mess.

What's the rush - no other team is looking for a head coach anymore.

Posted by: david | January 24, 2008 06:42 PM

No, but they're looking for assistant coaches and coordinators. After they're finished all we can do is raid Steve Spurrier's staff at South Carolina.

At this point, Snyder SHOULD wait until after the SB. My motto is "don't settle, always look for the best." For a guy like Snyder, to who money is no object, all the more reason to look for the best available. If all else fails, and he really wanted Cowher, he could have deposited $2M in Cowher's bank and let him smell the money that would be his if he coached the Skins. That ship of course sailed when Vinny was officially made head "Yes Man" at Redskins Park. Cowher ain't no Yes Man, no are most of the other 'candidates' including Williams. That's why Danny keeps looking.

The sad thing here is that Dan and Vinny now have stomped out any positive vibes the club had at the end of the season. Dan is rubbing the current coaches and players the wrong way without Gibbs there to smooth everything over. Does Dan really think these players are going to want to restructure there contracts for this crap. Coaches are now running away from us and reupping with there current teams. You are not going to pull coaches away from moderately successful teams for this and to coach under Fassel. No one is going to drop what they are doing for good old Jim. Danny and Vinny have made a big PR problem and internal problem which only hire Greg Williams will now solve. Greg most likely will not take the job.

bfjam - That's right, when you're hiring someone, you don't hire the best applicant if you know they can't do the job properly, you bide you time, and wait for the right person for the job.

If Snyder blows this he will be run out of town...Gibbs won't be able to save him.

Just read Don Banks from SI's Mock Draft. He has DE Calais Campbell being taken before we pick, and then has us taking Limas Sweed.

hey guys i just drove by snyders house and i saw chris hamburger walking in with dave butz and what looked like an agent.

"That's right, when you're hiring someone, you don't hire the best applicant if you know they can't do the job properly, you bide you time, and wait for the right person for the job."

And that person is Jim Fassell?

Com'on now.

He would have been hired last night if they could have gotten Zorn and Ryan.

- Ray

I have a feeling Ryan Seacrest will be leading us into training camp....

Ray, we don't know that though, do we? That's just what apparent 'sources' are telling us.

The latest I heard on WRC was the GW had "not been ruled out." Wow, what a ringing endorsement. If I were him, I'd be close to packing my bags and heading out of town. He'll be snapped up in minutes.

Seems like the only reason Fassel hasn't been hired yet is Snyder is having problems filling out the rest of Fassel's staff.

Fassel had three winning seasons in seven years with the Giants despite a lot of talent. They finished third or worse four of those years. In the three years they made the playoffs, they went one and done in two of those years. So, the Giants under Fassel never won a playoff game except for 2000, when they got blown out by the Ravens in the Super Bowl, 34-7.

In his two full years with the Ravens as offensive coordinator in 2004/2005, they were near the bottom of the league statistically, 20th and 25th respectively, culminating in Billick firing him, taking over the job after six games, improving the offense (finished at 12th), and winning 9 of the last 10 games to finish 13-3.

Am I missing something? Isn't there a reason he hasn't landed another head coaching job since getting the axe in NY four years ago? Isn't there a reason he was out of coaching totally after his firing in 2006? Why is he even being considered?

Leave it to Snyder to completely burn up the good will he earned as a result of his classy handling of the Sean Taylor tragedy.

Ugh.

Great news.

Hey, how about Sonny/Sam as co-head-coaches?

would somebody punch snyder in the face so he could feel how it hurts because he is hurting the redskins and their fans

Ok you guys are just plain ridicules...I don't undertsnad why you are bashing Danny for taking his time to find the RIGHT guy for the HC position...I would be doing the samething...It's not like willaims has the best track record being a HC so you must be cautious...I DON'T SEE any OTHER TEAMS BANGING DOWN GW's DOOR FOR A HC JOB!!!! Their is reason for that...he was a hc once and he failed...and failed badly...I just am beside myself that all of you think anyone is being treated badly....HOW? EXPLIAN HOW? By taking your time to pick the right guy? Investigating coaches to see what and if you culd get a coach if you wanted to? IT's Called OPTIONS folks....I see NOTHING wrong with thinking it through....I bet ya if he would have hired somebody quickly you would all be bashing him for doing it too quick...You guys just crack me up...ALl of you bashed Gibbs for 4 years in here...and now that he is gone he is GOD again after a 9 & 7 season because you are sad about Taylor....bottom line is you guys are NEVER happy...and all of you act like you know more than coaches and other people who have spent their entire lives and careers doing this and spend hours and hours and hours and hours of time watching film and players...BUT OH NO YOU GUYS KNOW MORE....THEN WHY ARE NONE OF YOU UP FOR THE HC JOB? WHY cause you no JACK NOTHING THAT"S WHY...Bunch of whining babies!

Ok you guys are just plain ridicules...I don't undertsnad why you are bashing Danny for taking his time to find the RIGHT guy for the HC position...I would be doing the samething...It's not like willaims has the best track record being a HC so you must be cautious...I DON'T SEE any OTHER TEAMS BANGING DOWN GW's DOOR FOR A HC JOB!!!! Their is reason for that...he was a hc once and he failed...and failed badly...I just am beside myself that all of you think anyone is being treated badly....HOW? EXPLIAN HOW? By taking your time to pick the right guy? Investigating coaches to see what and if you culd get a coach if you wanted to? IT's Called OPTIONS folks....I see NOTHING wrong with thinking it through....I bet ya if he would have hired somebody quickly you would all be bashing him for doing it too quick...You guys just crack me up...ALl of you bashed Gibbs for 4 years in here...and now that he is gone he is GOD again after a 9 & 7 season because you are sad about Taylor....bottom line is you guys are NEVER happy...and all of you act like you know more than coaches and other people who have spent their entire lives and careers doing this and spend hours and hours and hours and hours of time watching film and players...BUT OH NO YOU GUYS KNOW MORE....THEN WHY ARE NONE OF YOU UP FOR THE HC JOB? WHY cause you no JACK NOTHING THAT"S WHY...Bunch of whining babies!

Posted by: leevi98 | January 24, 2008 07:15 PM

All of us huh? I never bashed Gibbs. And I'm not bashing Danny for taking his time. I'm bashing him because he is alienating people with his closed lipped approach and even considering someone like Fassil.

leevi you should be upset

the only reason people are upset because we want some stability. Lets not change our scheme, coaches, or players. lets work to get better at what we do. rather than learning something all over again, which is what snyder has done since he has been here... plain and simple

hey levi 501s (button fly) that not true, i know jack! he used to post often. at the time he seemed cranky but you new school crank-offs make him look like an Librarian in an Iowa elem. school!

jack did have one lasting legacy wich i will show here:

SJK Barno!

no way that mcdaniles will get a job in here no brady,moss,welker or something

All of us huh? I never bashed Gibbs. And I'm not bashing Danny for taking his time. I'm bashing him because he is alienating people with his closed lipped approach and even considering someone like Fassil.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 24, 2008 07:20 PM

Yes 90% of people in here have been bashing Gibbs for 4 years...Who has he wronged in his coaching search? WHO? He is looking at all his options...I see nothing worng with that.

chrislarry,

I am not new here

ESPN Chats-

Andrew (Indianapolis, IN): Do you know of any way Redskins fans can formally protest Dan Snyder's debacle of an owner to the league? This is getting outrageous, year after year it is the same thing.

Matt Mosley: Andrew:

I'll look into this for you. I'm not sure a formal protest will accomplish much with this guy. He's not really known as being an effective listener. I'll admit this coaching search has been somewhat bizarre. But you have to admit it's sort of fun to see who he pulls out of a hat every week. If he was smart, he'd hire Williams or Jim Schwartz from Tennessee and move on down the road. Don't see it happening though.

Kevin (Manassas): If you had to guess as of now, will Jim Fassel be the Redskins next head coach?

Keith Kidd: You know what, I don't know. Obviously, they want to get it right and I guess Gregg Williams has yet to close the deal. I think Fassel is the leader in the clubhouse right now. The process is not over, but is nearing an end. The only guy I would guess they would want to talk with in the Super Bowl is Steve Spagnolia.

I tell you who he has wronged. Greg Williams. the only reason we have been as good as we have been Greg Williams and his defense

leevi you should be upset

the only reason people are upset because we want some stability. Lets not change our scheme, coaches, or players. lets work to get better at what we do. rather than learning something all over again, which is what snyder has done since he has been here... plain and simple

So what your saying is you want to keep having 9 & 7 seasons ..with a midseaon meltdown every year and then have to win 6 games to get into the playoffs? OK I do NOT share your opinion

Yes 90% of people in here have been bashing Gibbs for 4 years...Who has he wronged in his coaching search? WHO? He is looking at all his options...I see nothing worng with that.

Posted by: leevi98 | January 24, 2008 07:21 PM

Check your math 90% is not 100%(all).

Whatever happened to Jack

I tell you who he has wronged. Greg Williams. the only reason we have been as good as we have been Greg Williams and his defense

Posted by: fbailey | January 24, 2008 07:24 PM

You talking about the SAME defense that has caved so many games after we have had the lead I cant even count? The Same Willimas who a year ago lost his players and the defense was one of the worst in the league? The Same defense that let the Hawks march down and get a TD to take the lead after allowing a TD and two fGs before that? You talking about the same williams that was a complete failure as a HC and nobody in the world wants as a HC except Skins Fans? OH YEAH THAT WILLIAMS

once again leevi you are not getting it. we need to build on what we have. not change it up completely

levi's acid wash, i know ur not new, i was speaking to the new school angst monsters! sorta had ur back in a lighthearted jokey way...

jeesh rough crowd, i hear the veal is good and dont forget to take care of the wait staff...

*Bounce the anti-semitism from political-strategist. If someone don't have the filter to think before you send it, they don't deserve the freedom of using these boards -- apology or not. Something else he wrote seemed pretty hateful the other day but I forget what it was...

Gibbs is just trying to instill some sense of professionalism in this dysfunctional mess. Doesn't want to be a part of it/can't stand what a clusterF things become the moment he walks out the door.

In 1997 I took my Orioles hat to the backyard, took some kerosene, and lit that baby up. Promised myself I'd never root for them until Angelos sold the team. The Nats moving in has made things easier, but I haven't looked back.

Are helmets flammable?

If I was GG and did not get hired I would not mind setting at home relaxing making like 2 million a year. Also we do not know if GG has been in the loop or not. All we are getting is rumors. Let's just see how all of this shakes out.

I think that most of the problem here is that there is a lot of speculation and opinion going around and no facts. People were interviewed, no one hired yet.

Why this failed coach? they can't do better than Jim Fassell. Idiocy again with the Redskins. Why not Russ Grimm? Or Coach Williams?

Im sorry but dont bash me because I do not agree with most of you that Greg Willaims is all of sudden a Great coach and somebody we can't live without...I do not think Greg Williams will take this team to greater places

Jason,

Seriously, how long can it take you to post on or two updates a day that you don't even bother to spell check ?

Obviously the only two people that know anything about the coaching search are Danny Boy and Vinny, and they aren't talking. Those two schmucks couldn't run a Pop Warner team.

for all the people who want double g, i have 2 words for you:

richie pettibone

he is not the choice as evidenced by his averaging less than 6 wins a year in his buffalo days. having said that, i would rather see him signed to a lifetime contract than see fossil or any other retread coach come in here.
snyders biggest asset in his past business dealings was his creativeness and willingness to take chances and i would rather see him hire a no name with potential than a coach with a history of losing.
also why has none of the many former coordinators that are already on staff been interviewed for hc, while we search for continuity.

Sorry Chrislarry..I misunderstood....I'm just reponding to many people who bash me because I don't agree that Williams is the right man for the Job....I dont want Fassil either but at least the guy was a better HC

From News 4 about moving the skins to dc

http://www.nbc4.com/sports/15131681/detail.html?dl=mainclick

I wonder if they owner has to move with them...

once again leevi you are not getting it. we need to build on what we have. not change it up completely

Posted by: fbailey | January 24, 2008 07:27 PM

I get it perfectly....You think that the last few years was a success to bulid on...You act like this team was ready for primetime...I'm just saying that I dont want a team that has mid season melt downs every year...and has to win 20 games to get in the playoffs...I want a team that people hate! I want fed ex to be feared I want to be a team that other teams fear...Not the team we have now..

Kost,

There was a commercial on TV in which some guy was trying to catch a crocodile for shoes. My wife burst out laughing thinking of your blond story.

Do people make stadiums with natural grass anymore? What do you guys think of the sway towards turf fields, knowing that it could point towards the demise of smashmouth football?

I get it perfectly....You think that the last few years was a success to bulid on...You act like this team was ready for primetime...I'm just saying that I dont want a team that has mid season melt downs every year...and has to win 20 games to get in the playoffs...I want a team that people hate! I want fed ex to be feared I want to be a team that other teams fear...Not the team we have now..

Posted by: leevi98 | January 24, 2008 07:36 PM

I agree with part of this. But the last few years in comparison to the previous 13 is something to build on. Our offense played some decent to good games this year. JC had trouble at the end of a few of those games but familiarity with the system and time in it should cure those things. Your "feared" team has to start somewhere. That somewhere is already in place.

ALl of you bashed Gibbs for 4 years in here...and now that he is gone he is GOD again after a 9 & 7 season because you are sad about Taylor....bottom line is you guys are NEVER happy...and all of you act like you know more than coaches and other people who have spent their entire lives and careers doing this and spend hours and hours and hours and hours of time watching film and players...BUT OH NO YOU GUYS KNOW MORE....THEN WHY ARE NONE OF YOU UP FOR THE HC JOB? WHY cause you no JACK NOTHING THAT"S WHY...Bunch of whining babies!

Posted by: leevi98

No NO. This is the problem the inmates are running things i.e. Dan and Vinny. If we had a football man then no sweat. but we don't. Not all of us were Gibbs haters like me. Some of use look at things sort of rationaly.

Vinny is Dans butt boy. Dan calls the shots we know how that story goes. Do you remember!

Moving the team to anothe stadium? That dumb Fed ex is only 11 years old

Kost, I am all for grass and no turf. The game is designed to play in the mud. Turf is for speedy fancy dome teams not smash mouth football teams. IMO

j la, dont worry about the haters on this site. balancing a family and an always on call job is hard and i for one respect the hell out of what you do in this page. if the haters dont like it tell them to go the mustache capital about 45 minutes north on 95 and root for the baltimore browns and and their new coach.

No NO. This is the problem the inmates are running things i.e. Dan and Vinny. If we had a football man then no sweat. but we don't. Not all of us were Gibbs haters like me. Some of use look at things sort of rationaly.

Vinny is Dans butt boy. Dan calls the shots we know how that story goes. Do you remember!

Posted by: mul | January 24, 2008 07:42 PM

Inmates are running things? That would be the players my friend...Sorry but Danny is the owner not the inmate

at least, the fans have won for now. danny boy has heard the protests against FOSSIL!

The general idea is to allow the team to build a 100,000-seat domed stadium that also could be used for Super Bowls and other major events.
from news 4

This this some sort of bad dream.

No dome no Vinny no brakes for Dan.

for all the people who want double g, i have 2 words for you:

richie pettibone

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 24, 2008 07:32 PM

I will remind you that Pettibon had a better 1st season (4-12) than Norv (3-13). We will never know if Pettibon could have been a successful HC, because he was never given a chance to prove otherwise.

I will also remind you of Jim Fassel's record in his final season with the Giants: 4-12.

for all the people who want double g, i have 2 words for you:

richie pettibone

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 24, 2008 07:32 PM

I will remind you that Pettibon had a better 1st season (4-12) than Norv (3-13). We will never know if Pettibon could have been a successful HC, because he was never given a chance to prove otherwise.

I will also remind you of Jim Fassel's record in his final season with the Giants: 4-12.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 24, 2008 07:46 PM

The team that Rich took over was very old and the Skins were at the rebuliding stage...Cant blame either of them.

listen up guys!!!

I realize that I may be the only fan of Danny, but cut the guy some slack. be smart and wait until he/they actually make a decision.Then if it's unacceptable to us, then we can give him the business.

What mistake has he made? just because he doesn't want Williams as his coach? Gibbs walked on his own and left this thing on his lap.We all love Joe, but let's be clear.....this team and staff was assembled
for Joe.Now Snyder must do what's in the franchises best interest.I remember once when many of the fans wanted Terry Robiskie .Danny is doing his best for us.Remember that he is actually one of us.He just happens to have billions.Dan Snyder didn't create this mess.So to put everything into perspective, it's all based on the fact that he is not comfortable with Gregg.Vinney has nothing to do with it either.What makes us think that Gregg would be a good coach? This team is close to doing something special.The mistake would be to just hand it over to Gregg and not look at other options.

As fans.....we truly don't give a damn who the coach is......we just want to win.But at least give the process an honest chance and watch this thing play out.

Vinny is Dans butt boy. Dan calls the shots we know how that story goes. Do you remember!

Posted by: mul | January 24, 2008 07:42 PM

Inmates are running things? That would be the players my friend...Sorry but Danny is the owner not the inmate

Posted by: leevi98 | January 24, 2008 07:45 PM

No crazy fans with lots of money are the inmates in this case. But please while I have your attention make the case for the Dan-Vinny two headed monster. Dan and Vinny, those two running the show.

Mark, haha I guess some Marketing Execs have heard the joke too!

Hawkeye, I agree, it just worries me that with the tendencies towards domes/turf, the game is going to end up being a bigger version of Arena Football. It's the NFL's fault for giving Superbowl hosting preferences to dome/turf stadiums in an attempt to continually make the game a wonderful spectacle for their world wide audience. Who cares where it's played, and if it's snowing or raining, you're changing the culture, and heart of this game.

i remember the 4-12 season as well as the 3 13 season but until about 2 weeks ago every coach except cam cameron looked like roses next to norv.