Whoops. You double "http"'d that URL ;).

The Post never sleeps!

Also, the legal url:

http//www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/23/AR2008012302806.html?hpid=topnews

does not work.

Ha I was just gonna say that. it should say http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/23/AR2008012302806.html?hpid=topnews

Correct. It was missing a colon as well.

Works for me CS

Got back to my desk after a day of budget madness and was informed by one of my co-workers that a new coach had been picked. . .

just got home and am catching up on the news. . .

Citizen Danny at it again. . .

Man, he was teflon w/ JJG around, not sure how he thinks he can slide this stuff by the honest folk who root for the team he owns. . .

just wondering if someone is going to dig out a 5-foot hole in the conference room to film the press conference from an angle that makes citizen danny look larger than life. . .

wow, all I can say is wow. . .

Jason,
I like the end of the Zorn article. Way to give some populism in the story.

Hmmmm. This is getting interesting...

It would also serve Boy Owner right if all of this blew up in his face tonight and tomorrow and make him even more of a laughingstock than he already is.

Also, in the article, it says:
"The possible hiring of Fassel has been greeted with strong derision by fans, who filled the team-sponsored chat room and the comments section of the Washington Post's site with hundreds of anti-Fassel postings."

Most of the negative posts have been against Boy Owner and not Fassel. (Though, there have been quite a few of those as well).

AAGGGHHH! I'm going to bed

ILikeSonny

Total shabingus. An absolute shabingus. Totally makes sense to get rid of Al Saunders. Yup. Totally makes sense.

Again folks, shabingus.

I'm calling BS on all these rumors flying around. Espn just reported skins deny report that fassel has been offered job. Maybe the dan has something against Facial, and will shock us just like the Gibbs like hiring 4 years ago.
Maybe I'm thinking with my heart instead of using dan logic. I hope not.

ESPN just broke into Lakers/Spurs and said the Redskins are DENYING offering the job to fassel and the search continues

But what's going on with Fassel? ESPN News was flashing that he was NOT offered the job across the bottom of the screen...but then they took it down...

It's so confusing!!!

is there any way we, the fans, can completely run fassel out of town?? please, to everyone at any press conference or anything, can we all boo the hell out of fassel and make him feel like so much dirt that he leaves? and danny, i am so frustrated that there is absolutely no outlet in which I can express my extreme displeasure to him. JASON... you MUST ask the tough questions at the press conference, please let our feelings be shown...it is the only way you can somewhat get into snyder's little prck bag head. please redskins nation, we cannot stand for this. we have to try to contact snyder any way possible and show him how much he is hated. i am a redskin fan for life, but fassel is a douche and danny is worse. this is unnacceptable and we can't go on giving this tiny btch millions of dollars each year if this is how he repays us. i HATE snyder, and we need to let him know...please!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I would love to hear a Gottchya don't think we will this time.

What a nightmare...

Way to go Snyder. It took about 8 days for you to ruin what Gibbs put together in 4 years. The players have lost trust, the coaches have lost trust. I guess my definition of Continuity is different than yours. Maybe you could sign Farve for a 10 year contract as well, I heard Deion wants to play again. In one fatal swoop you brought us back to being the laughing stock of the NFL. It is so difficult to be a Redskins Fan.

Finally a great article jason, especially the ending

Narrator Voice:

The wild speculation continues.........

Fans denounce their supposed lifelong team and then are happy again all in a matter of hours.......

Entire stories are written with as having taken place without ever presenting a provable fact..........

The drama continues..................

Tell you what, this should be a reality t.v. show, who needs script writers!!

What could be more deserving than Snyder & Co. having their asinine secretive plans obliterated by other teams or by other coaches saying "no." Who would have the audacity to say "no" to the Danny????Word is out in the NFL - the Skins are chumps and Snyder has no goodwill in the league.

No other respectable fan base would allow this would they? Packers would ducktape their team manager (or whatever he is called) to a flag poll in winter. Shoot I would hate to think what an Eagles fan would do in our situation.

chill out- evryone. all will be well in skin'stown. Dan will not turn out the entire staff. mark my word I know for a fact. thefat lady has not sung. just chill- you will add years back to you life.

DOWN WITH FASSEL
DOWN WITH FASSEL
DOWN WITH FASSEL
DOWN WITH FASSEL

If we go with Fassel my dumbass will still show up to the stadium to watch the team I love but I swear I will have a sign with me at each game damning fassel and dan snyder to hell !!

WE WANT GREG WILLIAMS!!!

I would love to see signs saying Down with Danny. Maybe some T-shirts on the RI Blog???

Guess the debut of VP Vinny isn't going so well - can't stock the coaching positions with his cronies. Note to Snyder & Co. - you DO NOT own the NFL and other teams have no reason to let you run roughshod over their rising talent. $$$$ only gets you so far. School's in for Danny boy - time to ring his bell.

To be clear: "Mr." Snyder has said nothing. All of this teeth gnashing is purely a result of the WashPo blog and the fans own histrionics. So, folks, get a grip.

That said: this whole Fassel thing is silly. What an uninspiring choice. I could see going with a Mike Tomlin type: young, hungry assistant eager to prove himself. I could see going with Bill Cowher: proven Super Bowl coach eager to prove himself in running the whole show. I could see going with GG: current assistant dedicated to maintaining what passes for continuity in the NFL.

But Fassel? Where does he fit in? Retread head coach with a dubious track record of motivating and developing talent? He was a fine assistant in Denver and Arizona, but as a head guy he was mediocre at best.

Wouldn't it be sweet if problems signing the two coordinators caused Fassel to lose the job and then they give it to Gregg? A guy can dream...

By the time Snyder finally comes to his senses, Williams will probably tell him to F off and then become DC down in Jax. I am not sold on GW but he is way better than Fashole.

SELL THE TEAM.

I wonder if they ever considered Grimm?

I heard the denial on espn too.
Maybe we won.

everybody, go with bisohrobi and chant
DOWN WITH FASSEL
DOWN WITH FASSEL
DOWN WITH FASSEL
FCK THAT FASSEL

if we all chant it, maybe we can persuade danny...then again, maybe not. still, it might make fassel and co. a little uncomfortable about coming here if they KNOW all the fans hate them. please, every blogger who hears me must chant this!!!

So, what if, in his initial interviews Gregg demanded he have total control over player personnel. Danny didn't like the idea, but wanted Williams as his Head Coach.

I know he's probably conniving enough, but is he smart enough, to hold other interviews and put out rumours of potential hirings, just to try and get Gregg to accept the job, with less control?

Do the right thing Dan Snyder, it is not too late for redemption.

Say not to Fassell, say yes to Williams, or Grimm!

"Down with Danny" has no creativity or panache to it.

T-shirts with a caricature of "Mr." Snyder standing next to a "Waterloo, 2 seasons ahead" freeway sign...that's getting closer.

Think people, think. Bashing with "Danny Sucks" or some other Internet-fueled slogan is not becoming of the "greatest fans in the world". Insulting someone takes guts, determination, charisma, and sophistication in this day and age of YouTube and Twitter.

Would be sweet if Williams and the coaching staff can get some leverage on Danny & Co. and turn the tables as this debacle blows up in the front office.

Perhaps I don't get it....a distinct possibility but why is everyone so upset about this???? Is Fassel Vince Lombardi reincarnate? No but he is an above .500 coach with Danny Kanel and Kerry Collins and went to a super bowl with Giants and was two time coach of the year. GG was ummmmmmmmmm 17-31 and anything but impressive. Additionally, while this team is very talented we have routinely choked away games and almost weekly been out coached. And remember, Gibbs was in charge of........wait for it.......nothing....he was HC but didn't call plays, didn't coach offense, defense, or special teams. Why should we be so attached to this staff???? The players are pros, they play for a paycheck, and they all love the Danny's checks, they'll get over it if GG isn't the coach and they'll play just as hard for Fassel or anyone else.

KEEP LOUD REDSKINS FANSSS! PERHAPS SNYDER WILL HEAR US!!!!!
WILLIAMS, WILLIAMS!!!!

First this, and the Caps just tied the score (I've been giving this hockey thing a chance)! This might be a pretty decent night after all. :)

come on, you would think even danny "prck btch" snyder would know economics; lose the fas=no money. can he really be so diluted?? is he a clinically insane crystal meth addict? how can he not know the MASSIVE ramifications of this hire. i swear, i fcking miss Mora Jr. now. fassel is a "never was" and if danny hires him we should all take pitchforks and torches to his mansion

What was Danny going to do at a press conference tomorrow.....??? Do a mea culpa and apologize and rectify his wayward behavior? Not a chance. He was ready to pull the trigger until the trial balloon was shot down. Now it's damage control time, and guys like Zorn know that it is better to wait with a current team than wade into the mud with the Skins.

puttin, I heard Len windbag P pretty much spew the same stuff, sorry, but seems like, despite all the waffling, that jasno might have been right the first time . . .

otherwise this seems like the worst possible way to conduct market research. . .

shabingus, total shabingus. . .

I am always creative with my insults and generally do not need to use 4-letter words to do so.

Boy Owner suits Snyder just fine, because it sums up what an immature and totally clueless person he is when it comes to football. (And probably in other areas too. Heck, he has Tom "Sofa Jumper" Cruise in his private box. How whacked is that?)

How this guy ever made more $5 is beyond me, even if he was lucky during the dot-com boom.

WE WANT WILLIAMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THERES STILL TIME ITS GOTTA BE GREGG KEEP THE STAFF HOPEFULLY AFTER ALL THIS CRAP THEY STILL WANT TO STAY!!!!!!!

NO FASSEL NO FASSEL NO FASSEL

P Diddy, that's nice! You might have to get onto Buckstown!

How's the new Air doing?

NO FASSEL NO FASSEL NO FASSEL

WILLIAMS
WILLIAMS
WILLIAMS

DOWN WITH FASSEL
FCK THAT FASSEL

WILLIAMS

Can we just shut up until this process is over. The Danny is going to do whatever he wants with his checkbook and pinheaded football experience. Fassel, Zorn, Ryan-- now its's not. Let's stop the ridiculous forcasting and just wait.

J, nice touch at the end of the Zorn blip, but too premature on your earlier reporting.

Heck, giving Bmore picks for Ryan? Let's agree to not revert to wasting good opportunities in the draft, for a D coord. that was part of some blown games this year. Ravens beat the Pats and then gave it away. Rambling.

Anyone who would do this to our team is not a Redskin

DOWN WITH FASSEL!
DOWN WITH FASSEL!

GW!
GW!

"is there any way we, the fans, can completely run fassel out of town??"

Oh yeah, it's coming.

"Leprechaun Danny" will never win a Superbowl as long as he's owner of the Redskins!

- Ray

kost, the MacBook Air has not shipped yet (should be early February)...

To simplify this whole thing.. Why not just keep the staff in place for next year. See what happens. If it fails, so bi it and make a run at Cowher or then Grimm. What is the big rush to shake things up someone you would be settling for?? Honestly.. Did Gibbs really do a lot of play calling etc. I just don't see the need to rush and shake up the whole staff for a mediocre retread coach at this point. It don't see what is so complicated honestly.

Snerrato must really see something in this Zorn guy...gives me about as much as confidence like when Bush saw something in Rumsfeld...

Czaz, don't delude yourself, this is Citizen Danny at his best. . .

football and ownership on his own terms. . .

Don't discount the ill will that Snyder has engendered in the league with his peers. Coaches know that taking a check from Snyder is a retirement program, potentially terminal. And coaching staffs know full well the extent of the dysfunction. Do you think Williams and the other coaches are here because of Snyder? Nope - their allegiance was to Gibbs. Now that he has ridden off into the sunset again. it's open season for what Snyder has always done. But this time his antics are no surprise, and he could wind up in a delicious situation where he will be desperate for some also-ran coach and a dedraggeld staff. Think other owners are willing to offer him a helping hand as his ship is sinking.....????

I mean if Dan is such a marketing genius this just dosent make sense. If he goes with Williams he cant lose if it works everybodys happy if it fails at least he took a shot at keepin the team toghether and makin the players and the fans happy. But if he goes with Fassel and it Boms witch i have a feelin it will OOOOOOOO is it gonna be bad for Danny Boy. HIRE GREGG U FOOL SAVE YOUSELF AND THE TEAM111

Fassel hire is surely a done deal. Snyder is just trying to hire the OC and DC simultaneously in order to present more united front.

Snyder's present problem is that he is out of time. All parties have lost patience and an announcement is expected tomorrow by most. He must move quickly or he risks looking even more foolish.

Its about an identity.

Over the past 38 years, the Steelers have had three head coaches.

In their 12 years of existence, the Ravens will have had three head coaches (new fella makes three).

Since he got here in 1997, The Owner will be hiring his FIFTH head coach (I'm not counting Terry Robiskie).

Its nothing down on Fassel (or Ryan or Zorn) per se, its about "blowing up" the ENTIRE identity that St. Joe had been working on.

The identity of the team USED to be "The Redskins" ... the identity NOW, to the extent there can even be anything called an identity, of the team is The Owner himself.

Its about ego. Its one thing to own a sports franchise. Its another thing to ROB a fan base of its symbols and assimilate it as your own identity. I am well aware of how The Owner is a lifelong Skins fan. But it is not, and never was, just one person's team. There is no "I" in team (except, I guess, for that "iTeam" on the news).

Anyway, that HE muttered the words "continuity" are what makes it all an insult, esp. if he replaces not simply ONE of the three main positions (HC, DC, or OC), but ALL THREE. That would be the definition of discontinuity. Hence, the betrayal that the consuming fan base is expressing.

Just trying to be positive dude. Nothing has been announced yet. I'm still hoping for the best, though not expecting it...
Didn't hear pastabelly. Just saw the sc update during the lakers game.

please explain why everyone is so attached to these guys? two lucky playoff runs and a below .500 record for the last four years? I just simply don't get why it absolutely has to be williams, change happens all the time in the NFL, on an annual basis and look at teams that have done that recently, the Packers Mike Sherman to Mike McCarthy two years NFC Championship, Marty to Norv AFC Championship, Cowher to Tomlin playoffs, Leftwhich to Garrard playoffs, Herm to Mangini playoffs, TN made the playoffs and canned their OC......I mean the truth is, the NFL is constantly shifting and I have seen absolutely zero evidence that this staff deserves to be the automatic choice and nobody else even deserves a look. We lead the league in 2nd half lead giveaways, I mean, the Giants are in the Super Bowl and we should have swept them, what does that say about this staff?

dcsween - excellent.

dcsween,

Perfectly expressed. Thanks!

damn caps just let in a late goal...

f sports..

I hear ya, feel the same way, but am bracing for the worst. . .

If Snyder was not content about the coaching staff, did that just occur to him when Gibbs suddenly resigned??? Doubtful. The cover-up is always worse than the underlying crime.

Diddy, Sween, Always a pleasure to read what you guys put up here. Everytime I think I need a vacation from the nut jobs that are taking over, one or both of you pull me up. Thanks.

I HEAR U ON THE STAFFS FLAWS AND IF I THOUGHT WE WERE UPGRADING ID BE ALL FOR IT. BUT FREAKIN JIM FASSEL I MEAN CMON GMEE SWARTZ MEEKS HELL REX RYAN BUT FASSEL I COULDENT STAND THAT GUY WHEN HE COACHED THE GIANTS. ITS LIKE NORV 2.0

vinny is the continuity that citizen danny was referring to. . .

shabingus. . .

Exactly. Williams or Fassell is at best a toss up. We all know how much of an egomaniac GG is, it never would have worked out. Snyder would have fired him just like Marty. Plus part of me still hates GG for the LaVar thing. Fassell is probably not the key, the key is who we get as coordinators....

Oh, also, The Owner made his money in direct marketing, and advertising (he's the one who came up with the idea of those laminated posters in doctor's offices that show you anatomy, and then a little something for the sponsor pharmaceutical company), and then his communications empire.

His was not a dot com money, just good old fashioned entrepreneurialism.

dc sweeny yer a poet!

If Snyder believes this is the best move for the team, then man-up and have the stones to make it happen and lay it out for the fans. Don't use trial balloons and yank the fan base around.

I DONT KNOW IM JUST NOT SEEIN THE UPSIDE GREGG FOR FASSEL? AL FOR JIM ZORN? I MEAN REX WOULD BE NICE BUT NOT FOR PICKS. WHAT ARE WE ADDIN BY SUBTRACTION HERE!!! AND WERE NOT EVEN TALKIN THE DANNY SMITHS AND EARNEST BYNERS THAT WILL PROBABLY GO IF A NEW REGIME COMES IN IT DOESENT MAKE SENSE!!

hey, lets just go ahead and hire fcking art shell while we are at it to be our assistant head coach. oh yea, and im sure dave campo would be a great candidate for head coach! maybe dennis erickson...holy sht people, those 3 names i just listed are better than fassel.

DOWN WITH FASSEL

HIRE GREGG WILLIAMS

Ditto to what greg_hughes90 said!

please explain why everyone is so attached to these guys? two lucky playoff runs and a below .500 record for the last four years? I just simply don't get why it absolutely has to be williams, change happens all the time in the NFL, on an annual basis and look at teams that have done that recently, the Packers Mike Sherman to Mike McCarthy two years NFC Championship, Marty to Norv AFC Championship, Cowher to Tomlin playoffs, Leftwhich to Garrard playoffs, Herm to Mangini playoffs, TN made the playoffs and canned their OC......I mean the truth is, the NFL is constantly shifting and I have seen absolutely zero evidence that this staff deserves to be the automatic choice and nobody else even deserves a look. We lead the league in 2nd half lead giveaways, I mean, the Giants are in the Super Bowl and we should have swept them, what does that say about this staff?

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 23, 2008 10:00 PM

Many of us saw promise in this team. And we saw improvement. If the O line had stayed healthy from the start I truely believe we'd have had a great season and might indeed have a game yet to play. It wasn't just that they won four straight against good teams to make the playoffs, they did it after suffering an unspeakable tragedy and the loss of six starters to season ending injuries. And there was a cohesion and spirit to the team in these last games we hadn't seen around here since the glory days. That's why Gibbs thought we were going to go all the way.

And now Snyder has decided to p*ss it all away.

Lenny P has been busy slopping around that exciting Atlanta hire story. He knows he won't get a whiff of this story - he is in the deep-freeze. Makes Williams look cozy with Vinny da VP.

Sween, I appreciate the effort and I hear what your saying.......but I gotta be honest, Gibbs, while a great man and leader, and kept this team together through a tragedy, left a lot to be desired as a coach this time around. He was routinely outcoached in the second half, made horrible clock management decisions, coached scared to lose vs. trying to win, and except for the miracle in MN didn't ever win a challenge. That's not the identity I want for my team, let's not be too sentimental about the greatest coach in our franchise's history, he wasn't the same in Gibbs II and I'm not particularly attached to the "identity" of this team. I see a lot of wasted potential, bad decisions, and wasted opportunities. Is it a decent roster, absolutely, are Gregg Williams and Al Saunders the sure fire guys to lead it? well they were here during all those mistakes and I wonder had it not been for a absolutely improbable playoff run with a 89 year old backup that got us to third in our division would anybody have been saying this say right after the Buffalo game?

Actually, that's not entirely true. It was Circle Marketing (the Internet marketing arm of Snyder Communications) that got him the valuation he netted from Havas when they acquired the whole shebang. Snyder is a very successful man, but like all successful men, he was also in the right place with the right product at the right time.

I have never believed in "luck" in business because I think you manufacture a lot of what people call "luck" through your own charisma and work ethic. Snyder deserves a ton of credit for putting that business in the right position for that acquisition. I believe his dad and sister were involved more than simply peripherally, but it was Snyder's acumen that made it happen.

Now, you talk to any former Snyder Communications or Circle Marketing execs and they'll all tell you the same thing: he's a complete and total jerk. But time and age have a way of mellowing that trait in a man. I know when I first met my former boss I came away thinking the same thing ("smart, but what an SJKhole"). But over time, marriage, kids, and philanthropy changed him. He was still smart and demanding, but the rough edges were now smooth.

I suspect that the hard-charging marketing executive Dan Snyder of 15 years ago is dramatically different from the rookie NFL owner Dan Snyder of 12 years ago and the Dan Snyder of today.

Not defending him, just adding perspective. I still think the Fassel thing is idiotic.

"norv 2.0"

and a nick name is born...

Exactly skinsfanman i mean there was a closeness with this team. They had becomr that a actual team not just a bunch of indivduals. And now were just gonna throw that all away for the new batch of high priced free agents and high priced coaches.

OK, I realize half of us our delusional.... it's part of the coping mechanism when you have a crappy owner... starting over makes absolutely no sense, but that is what we are doing... makes you wonder why Snyder isn't broke

The Redskins would of gave GW the job this week if it was his. There has to be a hard push at Cower or maybe a person we have yet to hear. Maybe Williams got the job under the table and Zorn was brought in to fill out his staff as they get rid of Saunders. But this is how we do in Redskins land with these crazy off season moves.

"Posted by: skinsfan8KaboveMSL
Czaz, don't delude yourself, this is Citizen Danny at his best. . .

football and ownership on his own terms"

Exactly and he knows little about either as nearly 8 years as owner has shown, not just us as fans, but the rest of the NFL. He is like Joan Rivers, always going in for another face-lift or tummy tuck. And the end result is a horrid sight to see.

Funny thing, though. While we can all slam Boy Owner, in a sense the real culprit is that jacka** judge who ruled for Boy Owner back in '99 when he was fighting Milstein for ownership. You have to wonder what has going through that judge's mind since making that decision?

"What Hell have I wrought?"

All im hopin for is all this blows up in his face and he has no choice but to hire gregg and keep the staff. This is stupid on so many levels theres not enough room in this blog to say them all.

More like Norv 1.5

Maybe Fassell told Snyder he was going to "put all his chips on the table" in the interview and it blew him away.

Despite the issues with Gibbs & Co., that staff has earned the right to be trusted given what they have accomplished over their collective careers. Results matter, and although the Skins had glaring issues in a number of areas, Fassel is not qualified to wash Gibb's jock strap.

I'm sure 1,000 years from now, when an alien civilization comes to visit the world that President Jenna Bush destroyed with an unprovoked nucular attack on Nordstrom's, they will unearth this thread and come to believe that "Mr." Snyder was the Judas to Gregg Williams's Jesus Christ.

I'd like to go on the record for history as proclaiming myself the most eligible bachelor of Seattle. Thanks.

mass confusion surrounds the coaching search? I am shocked. I mean, no news out of the Park has ever been confusing and none of the current or former players have ever claimed miscommunication inside that joke of a building.

Buhhh... what a flippin disgrace.

If we were the laughingtstock earlier in the day, what are we now that Fassel's 2 hand picked coordinators may not be coming here?

Who wants to bet we end up paying a former QB coach 2 mill to get him to come to place he doesn't want to go (but can't say no to the money)? And how about 4 mill and a mid round pick for Rex Ryan?

P R D I S A S T E R

This would have NEVER happened if a REAL GENERAL MANAGER was conducting the interviews.

Do you see any other team going through this debacle? This is proof as to why the Redskins need a real GM. Danny and Cerrato are over their heads. If he owned the Texans or the Lions he could probably get away with this...but this is the Washington Redskins.

W A K E U P D A N !!!

Worth checking out...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Snyder

CSzaz, well done. Does anyone have the real backstory as to how the Milstein ownership group lost? I remember "Mr." Snyder was a minority owner in that original group, then all of a sudden became the majority owner when the NFL ownership denied Milstein.

Joe Bugel is getting the job.

Fassel might not be a bad coach. My only problem is blowing up the coaching staff, and potentially the roster...

DOWN WITH SNYDER!!!

This just seems like a no-brainer. The major problem this team had at the beginning of the season was that they couldn't seal the deal and put teams away in the second half. They found a way to fix that in the last four games and started playing aggressively for all 60 minutes. As a cohesive, unselfish, confident team. If the Redskins play like that all of next season and they'll make it deep into the playoffs. If they keep continuity.

Milstein had too much money that was based upon loans. He had the cash but did it the wrong way.

The Redskins are now officially the worst franchise in professional sports.
Any semblance of stability that Gibbs developed...gone; the unity that flourished this season....destroyed; the pledge of continuity...not so much.
This isn't about what's best for the team, the fans or the city...this is all about Little Danny, who is bound and determined to show everyone that he and Vinny can do it their way. It's about being right (in their mind) rather than doing what's right. Players and coaches have come and gone, the only constant while the franchise has been mired in mediocrity has been Snyder and Cerrato. It's pitiful and shameful and I feel no pride in being a Redskins fan anymore.

squire,

this kind of crap doesn't even happen with the Raiders. it's insane

I actually feel bad for poor Fassel. What a complete sh@tstorm he may have the misfortune to wade into tomorrow.

Not that I'm saying it excuses Dan Snyder's behavior, horrible decision-making, and general idiocy. And I guess all the bad blood from fans will be a lot easier to swallow with that 30 million bucks Fasel's about to make, so I guess I don't feel too badly for him.

I still stand by my original statement: let's buy an ad in the Post and go national with our fan displeasure.

Poor GG and Al Saunders...they've been royally screwed, too. Maybe they'll sign the ad, along with Mike Nolan, Marty, and all poor ole Terry Robiskie!

The absolute best part of the Wikipedia article is this: "The model set by Snyder is currently being imitated by other sports franchises."

Vince McMahon was way ahead of his time.

I just think you guys are making way way too much of this "they came together" thing. Yeah they did, but just after the last game of the season, Portis, Griffin, Springs, and Washington all openly spoke about how they hoped they would be here but its a business and they all understood that. If we hire Williams and he tanks, everyone would be like "he sucked in Buffalo why'd we ever think he should be our coach?" If we hire Fassel and he tanks it'll be "we should have hired Williams!" and if he wins it'll be "great hire." The truth is Snyder has more money than us its his team and he has to hire somebody he is comfortable with, as somebody said earlier GG's ego would probably get him to go the way of Marty very quickly anyway, I have no great faith in any candidate out there, even Cowher, there are no Bill Parcell's, Bill Belicheck's, or Jimmy Johnson's available and Williams by no means has earned an automatic hire with anything he has done in Buffalo or here, so let's just hope whoever it is they make good decisions and win.

Who needs coordinators? Danny can auction off that job each week to two lucky fans. They can crash in Danny's office and he can help write the game plan after playing a few games against that week's opponent on NFL Madden. Fassel can provide motivational tid-bits to the players to "up the ante."

If Greg Williams is out, Who is out there in College and the pros we should go after?

hell is the right word, but then again, so is idiotic. . .

zjfr2, Cowher had plenty of off years, as did Billick, but both eventually made it to the Big Show. I concede (as I have to) that Gibbs was not all that ... but it was at least four years of roughly the same thing (i.e., about 10%-25% turnover in roster, about 2-5 assistant coaches changed per year). Yes, some fiddling on offseason training, duration and intensity of camp, etc. (but still just fiddling).

Changing the HC, DC, and OC also means likely changes in WAY more assistant coaches, and the whole tone and tenor of the "work vibe". I stand by that.

Eventually, after two-three years, a new work vibe (the Fassel/Ryan/Zorn) sets in, but 2-3 years is not a time horizon that The Owner abides (unless, of course, he has a former HoF idol taking bullets for everything that ever goes wrong in the entire organization ... and gets the fan base focused away from the fact that it is STILL his fantasy football team).

I MEAN WHAT DID AL SUANDERS SUDDENLY FORGET HOW TO COACH SINCE HE CAME HERE. NO GIVE THE MAN A YEAR TO RUN HIS OWN OFFENSE WITH JASON GETTIN ANOTHER YEAR UNDER HIS BELT. WHY JUST TOSS HIM ASIDE NOW IT WAS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT BEAST WHEN COLLINS WAS IN THERE AND HE WAS ACTUALLY CALLIN THE PLAYS. 2 YEARS AGO HE WAS THE GREATEST THING SINCE SLICED BREAS NOW LITTLE DANNY THINKS HE SUCKS WTF!!!

Thanks, PDiddy. Much appreciated. (BTW, this is NosferatusCoffin here. I never bothered to change the display name after the board went to login/registration).

It has been so long and the fight between Milstein and Boy Owner went on so long that I forget the details. Time to do some serious Googling. (As opposed to oogling, which is what Boy Owner has been doing for two weeks with every other coach in the league).

"Fassel the debacle" + "Vinny the chin" = 5-11 next year

I bet Fred Smoot is thinking twice now about coming back to DC.

He said on the radio a few weeks back that Joe Gibbs was the best coach he's ever played for, the best person he's ever had the pleasure of knowing.

Wonder what he'll say now that Fassel may be his coach?

ugh.

Anyone know if Vegas have a line out on Fassel deciding to turn tail and run as well?

One can only hope I suppose. Hope and dream.

Sellers on comcast sportsnet just said looking into the camera "I hope Gregg gets it" you can tell how mad he would be if he didn't get it and said it would set them back.

Could Snyder sway Pete Carrol out of USC. Or is there someone I am forgetting thats an up and coming head coach.

Ernie Zampese for OC and Buddy Ryan for DC.

I really would rather them hire a first time HC over Fassel. There is nothing really different between Jim and Gregg both in the end just Vanilla and Chocolate candidates, Gregg gets the edge as our team has been eating Vanilla for 4 years and know that they like the taste. I would love to see us go into the depths of position coaches and young coordinator types looking for a replacement, but thats something a team with a GM can do, as they have someone who knows what that spark looks like.

I think I would rather have picked ted ginn jr. in the 1st round. . .

idiotic, hell, A GIANT?!?

I think Snyder has Angelos on speed-dial.

What about the Pats young OC

tjzukoski, thanks. You are jogging my memory on that. I do remember that Milstein's financial setup was based too much on loans and was therefore shaky.

Ernie Zampese would actually be great because he runs the old Sid Gillman offense and it would not require a huge learning curve or personnel shift for the offense.

I have nothing against Rex Ryan or Jim Zorn. Both are extraordinarily capable coaches who will do just fine.

Fassel is a huge WTF? to me...I just don't get what "Mr." Snyder sees in him.

dj stuey scott just said:
"A high ranking redskins official said that jim fassel has not been offered the position of head coach, and the search is on going"
Let's hope so.

Last post of the night because I just can't stand it anymore.

So if we have to PULL Zorn away from Seattle with an offer he can't refuse, and we have to PULL Rex Ryan away from Baltimore with an offer he (and the Ravens) can't refuse, do they really want to be here in the first place?

And will it be good for continuity when we are looking for ANOTHER defensive coordinator next year when Rex Ryan takes a head coaching job?

I just can't see the players buying into this garbage. Sellers was just interviewed and he admitted it would be a huge setback.

What a f'ing joke.

I think they should give Greg Williams a shot. When he coached the Bills they had no talent and had so many injuries. Give a shot, Daniel Snyder. Lets go,

Jason Campbell + West Coast Offense = ____

A. 3,500 yards passing

B. 28 TD

C. 28 INT

D. Horrible combo as Campbell has not shown a good touch on short timing routes

E. It doesn't matter since Vinny's awesome judge of character will surround Campbell with great talent

F. Other

Any shot the media is wrong on this? The Danny has surprised late more often than not. Didn't Spurrier and Gibbs come out of nowhere?

Sween, excellent post. I think it will take 2-3 years for ANYBODY to take this team to another level. The truth is this is a good roster, that is talented and if it stays healthy can do some stuff and almost everybody is under contract. And as long as whoever gets the job doesn't shuffle the roster they have a good shot at winning 8 or 9 games. But even if that someone is GG what makes everyone think we'll automatically get better? What makes people think a system built on timing and reading defenses is all of a sudden going to click on a experience wise 2nd year QB and our offense is going to make great strides in the most complicated system in the NFL? Don't kid yourselves, their is going to be transition either way, especially if GG is hired without retaining Saunders, I think if that is the case I'd rather have Fassel, an offensive guy with a history of developing QB's...

I think Josh McDaniels (the Pats OC) would be an awesome selection for any organization. That offense is something to behold. Granted, Brady is pulling the trigger, but still, the job McDaniels has done meshing those egos and getting people to buy into his pretty unorthodox scheme is impressive.

Zero percent chance Zorn is coming to DC reported on CSN. Well that worked out well, you dopes! What an incompetent bunch of fools!

Haha can you see it now...in a shocking turn of events the new head coach is none other than: PEPPER RODGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO. This is really sad. It's a soap opera again. It's back to the same old laughing ways...and Snyder wanted continuity. Not good lying in front of the media and fans. So so sad. The next 24 hours should be very interesting. I love how the Skins decide to go pursue these coordinators who are still retained by other teams and are not sure locks. Making things more complicated then they have to.

KUDOS to the earlier poster who stated this is why a REAL GM is needed.

CSzaz , Yes it was very shaky and Snyder had the NY daily news owner as a slient partner. Who had mega money. He poured into Snyders marketing business.

Jason,

I think you may have crossed the line from "journalist" to "antagonist" with the last few lines of that story. I do not think it is your place to "stir the pot" and perpetuate the perception of negativity among the Redskins fan base. While there are certainly many (outspoken) fans who vehemently disagree with the possibility of Gregg Williams's being passed over, there are also many (perhaps even a "silent majority") fans like me who are apprehensive over the thought of GG coaching our team and who believe that Dan Snyder will do what he thinks is best for the Redskins.
I, for one, (and I know I'm not in the majority in this) will support Dan Snyder in whatever decision he ultimately makes (so long as it's not Billick).

Redskins4ever,
PV

0% CHANCE FOR DORN DO SES COMCAST CAN U HEAR IT LISTEN CLOSE!!! ITS ALL CRUMBLING AROUND DANNYS LIL HEAD AND I LOVE EVERY MOMENT OF IT. BETTER GET OUT THE LIPSTICK AND TELL GREGG AND AL YOU SORRY!!!

P diddy , Josh McDaniels would be a Gibbs hire. The first stint. He has an awesome offense. He opens it up more and pounds it when need be. I would not be opposed to a hire like that.

Last post of the night for me as well...

Breathe Redskins Nation. Breathe.

We're all in this together.

Except barno. I don't know what he's in.

I wanna see GG and Vinny in a fight - winner gets to stay in D.C.

outlaw,

that made me laugh out loud.

at this point, I wouldn't be suprised if the fire eater was named HC tomorrow with the announcement of the Bearded Lady as OC and World's Smallest Woman as DC to follow.

I read the article Jasno wrote ... and then the comments. There are 220 comments!!!! In just a few hours. And I'd say they are ripping Danny a new one, but it'd be an understatement.

Joe Gibbs commanded respect. He was a great leader, if not a great coach. He brought that stature with him and he helped this club develop real respect. Hard earned and genuine. Once people know what its like to be respected, they never want to go back.

Which is why Danny is risking much more than he ever realized.

Think about it Danny. You'll have managed to go from a little bit loved and admired to hated and despised. In just two weeks. Thats what happens when you screw over the people who have earned respect.

relax guys, Fassels out, Pettibones back.

Breathe Redskins Nation. Breathe

Too busy choking ourselves so we don't live to see the end result.

Diddy: I agree on Josh McDaniels. Posted his name a while back as a hopeful candidate. Unfortunately, he has already stated he will not interview for any head coaching positions this year.

The absolute truth is none of this matters as long as Cerrato and Snyder are involved in anything having to do with football. This team will never be better than mediocre until the Snyder pulls a Jerry Jones and finds himself a Parcells to run things.....and on that subject, I give the Cowgirls two years until the suck again...

GW, GW, GW!!!!!!

Snyder, listen to the fans! We are the big reason why this franshise is even around. Don't ruin are beloved Redskins!!!!!

I think Snyder deserves the benefit this time around because he handled things well in a hard season off the field great. But his pr is running out. One things for sure Redskins park has said nothing as of yet. These are just reports. So lets see whats good. On Espn news they said they want to interview the Giants D coach. .

Oh Danny boy, the pipes, the pipes are calling! From glen to glen, and down the mountain side! Now Gibbs is gone, and all the coaches are fleeing! 'Tis you, 'tis you must go and we all will bide!

Look, I'm not trying to be too blatant of a Snyder-defender, because these moves are certainly not what I would've hoped for. But, don't you guys think you're going a little over the top here? We all know no one here is actually going to look for a new team to root for.

And as far as getting rid of Snyder, do you really think he's worse than the Cardinals' owner? Or the Bengals'? Or the Vikings'? How's Al Davis been working out lately? The Lions' owner? The Falcons'? The 49ers? That's a quarter of the league, just off the top of my head, that's blatantly worse. Snyder's been to 3 playoffs in 8 years, as opposed to 0 in the 7 years before he got here. It's not like we were really that much better off. Maybe we should just calm down a little bit and let the whole situation play itself out. Everyone talks about how Williams would have been so much better the second time around, but there's no chance Fassel can be good the second time.

I'm not trying to say he will be good, cuz again, I'm not a big fan of these moves either. But fans have been wrong before.

Final predictions?

Even if Napolean were to name GW head coach tomorrow, and keep stability as he preached, I still can't help but to want to slam his head into a turn buckle for this ridiculous mess he's put everyone through over the past few weeks.

Towards the end of the season McDaniels came out and said he wouldn't be interviewing for any HC positions, he's not interested.

GW, GW, GW!!!!!!

Snyder, listen to the fans! We are the big reason why this franshise is even around. Don't ruin are beloved Redskins!!!!!

Bro, He paid 800 million for them. His money is in the billions. I think the Redskins would be around if 1 fan showed up. Give them a chance.

nd as far as getting rid of Snyder, do you really think he's worse than the Cardinals' owner? Or the Bengals'? Or the Vikings'? How's Al Davis been working out lately? The Lions' owner? The Falcons'? The 49ers? That's a quarter of the league, just off the top of my head, that's blatantly worse. Snyder's been to 3 playoffs in 8 years, as opposed to 0 in the 7 years before he got here. It's not like we were really that much better off. Maybe we should just calm down a little bit and let the whole situation play itself out. Everyone talks about how Williams would have been so much better the second time around, but there's no chance Fassel can be good the second time.
This was the best post of the night.

looks like Facial and the Redskin brass are eating crow pie tonight.

GIBBS WILL COACH THE TEAM VIA SATALITE CONNECTION IN SNYDERS OFFICE. IT WILL BE GIBBS ANGELS. THEY WILL PUT HIM ON THE JUMBO TRON DURING GAMES. HELLO ANGELS HELLO JOE!!!

Moses -- just because other teams have bad owners, does it make it OK for us to have a bad owner, too?

Final predictions?

Big Tuna.

No doubt about it now. Never saw him as a Florida type of man.

My final positive spin. The Danny interviewed Williams 4 times. He tried to make it work. Williams probably did something to tick Danny off. You know how Williams is. Danny is now doing due diligence but since we are the only coaching story now, there is a ton of media scrutiny. I love JLC, but even he seems to be attempting to get way in front of this story. Let's see how this plays out and then if we don't like it. We go nuts........ For all we know Williams still could be in play

If Snyder really wants to make some cash he could charge each of us $20 to take our turns punching him in the gut - or kick him in the balls. That way he'll know what it's like to be a Skins fan.

Note that Jason has updated the story again. If you haven't read the update (looks like it's the one for tomorrow's paper) it's worth a read before bedtime. The link is the same as before.

A_Fly_Moses.....thank you...the fact is Gibbs leaving means a transition no matter what and what makes anybody think that GG is all of a sudden a great coach? a couple years of good defense? he did that before he stunk up the joint in Buffalo too....maybe its the Jim Beam talking but I'm excited about a fresh coach and fresh approach, this coaching staffed gaffed away a historic amount of games and did nothing to really impress me for the last for years. Let's be honest even as fans, our winning streaks felt lucky and improbable.

going to find something on TV before I commit blog harikari (sp?). . .

If Snyder really wants to make some cash he could charge each of us $20 to take our turns punching him in the gut - or kick him in the balls. That way he'll know what it's like to be a Skins fan.

Posted by: david | January 23, 2008 10:45 PM

Best post of the night.....

News flash: Snyder's trying to lure Bill Belichick away from New England.

Ok, ok, it's just about the only name I haven't heard.

Or maybe I missed it.

after all this disaster, and I've been calling for GW to be the next coach since the beginning of the season, if you were him would you even want the job now. How can our redskins be in such disarray. I think things are worse now than the parade of coaches pre gibbs 2.0

CSN - Sports Night just reported that Zorn got back to Seattle and Paul Allen is making him an offer he cant refuse and the promise of and OC job after holmgren retires. I imagine this means he, like mora, will be off the market pretty quick...

No matter who Snyder picks I would just like a little honesty and openness during the search. There's no reason to make such a big deal about it - I guess they just love all the publicity their sneaky ways cause.

ESPN reports Fassel HAS NOT been offered the job and that Williams is still a candidate here is the url to the story:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3210819

WE HAVE HOPE!

What? Are we going to hire all of our conference foe's retread coaches? Maybe we should call up Rich Kotite or Ray Handley? I would certainly feel better if we went the way Pittsburgh has gone their last two hires, or the way our beloved REDSKINS went when they hired an unproven Offensive Coordinator from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers name Joe Gibbs...

GW, GW, GW!!!!!!

Snyder, listen to the fans! We are the big reason why this franshise is even around. Don't ruin are beloved Redskins!!!!!

Bro, He paid 800 million for them. His money is in the billions. I think the Redskins would be around if 1 fan showed up. Give them a chance.

Posted by: tjzukoski | January 23, 2008 10:42 PM

BRO,
In case you haven't been reading the blog, its more than 1 fan. Anyone who supports that idiot owner should find another team just like he should!

Now I know what the Dolphin's fans were thinking when Cameron got up and said 'we picked Ted Ginn Jr. with our 1st round pick' - too bad we can't go to the press conference when they announce the new coach and boo the owner.

Two conversations, Two outcomes:

#1
Hi, my name is Joe Gibbs. Would you like to become part of my coaching staff?

#2
Hi, my name is Jim Fassell. Would you like to become part of my coaching staff?

See the difference?

Jasno - you gettin overtime for all of this work?

ever hear the joke about the Leprachaun in the men's room, it either ends with:

I can't believe how bad it hurts or aren't you a little old to believe in Leprachaun's?

Well (little Danny) the Leprachaun has just screwed us all. so much for my season tickets.

2008 is just starting off great.

BRO,
In case you haven't been reading the blog, its more than 1 fan. Anyone who supports that idiot owner should find another team just like he should!
I read the blog. People are going to still show up even if they pissed off. The NY Knicks hate there owner and coach and still sell out. The blog and the skins are awesome. But Snyder does not care. He is one of those Rich guys that thinks he could do anything and get away with it, No disrespect, I hope you understand what I mean.

Actual Jim Fassel Quote when he was with the Ravens:

"I just keep trying a different key in that lock to see what can get us unlocked and going..."

And THIS IS OUR FUTURE COACH. UGH!!!

Of course, "The Brain Trust" ruining this franchise doesn't have the ability to find those talented newcomers. We NEED A GM!! Until they find a guy like we had in Bobby Beatherd, we'll be a mediocre team, struggling to stay around .500, with the fluke playoff team here and there. I 've been a Skins' fan for 30 years, and can't stand how this owner treats his personnel and fans repeatedly. If I hadn't waited 13 years to get tickets on the waiting list, I would rescind my season ticket order post haste....

Joe Gibbs may have commanded respect, but Joe Gibbs quit.

Joe Gibbs is why there's even discussion about continuity-- because Joe Gibbs walked out.

Snyder was damned if he did and damned if he didn't. A week of interviews? He's being disloyal to all the fine wonderful things (two half-season runs of success) Gibbs oversaw this time out. Hire GG immediately? How dumb can this guy be to promote someone who had personnel issues last time and has continued while in DC to have one-scapegoat-a-year type personnel problems still.

Good teams, well-coached teams, pull together before the season. They don't wait until December.

Two conversations, Two outcomes:

#1
Hi, my name is Joe Gibbs. Would you like to become part of my coaching staff?

#2
Hi, my name is Jim Fassell. Would you like to become part of my coaching staff?

See the difference?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 23, 2008 10:54 PM

Hi my name is GreGG Williams, want to join my staff?

Hi my name is Jim Fassel....

See the difference......me neither....

but....

"Jason SJKit when that running back shifts to the I you know there going to run.....oh wait you play offense nevermind..."

or

"Jason, here's what I told John Elway and Phil Simms to do...."

no I see a big difference....maybe Snyder isn't that stupid afterall???

I know he's probably conniving enough, but is he smart enough, to hold other interviews and put out rumours of potential hirings, just to try and get Gregg to accept the job, with less control?

YES!!! A thousand times yes....but really...didnt he meet with GG like 5 times?...doesnt that make anybody think that GG has the job and that Snyder is just going through the motions, just looking at his options......

F....F F F F F.......hes gonna stir up the sh!t just so he can have us all in an uproar so we can tune in no matter what....soap opera is right...

sigh...

hail....

The statement that has been bandied about this being "Snyder's team" and he has the right to do as he wishes is interesting. Not because it's true and unfortunate, but because it's fundamentally unfair regardless of the fact that it is how most teams operate. What can be done? Please
note that this is not in response to the latest rumors making the rounds about Fassell (although, it's a strange choice). It's an exercise in outlining what a rabid fan base can do when they are vehemently unhappy with how ownership has handled the team for the past x number of years.

The Green Bay Packers are an example of a municipially owned team. How do we get to that point? How do we get Snyder to sell the team? What points of weakness could a passionate and yet determined fanbase exploit?

Season tickets? But, the waiting list is so large...

Fan merchandise? Possible for a dramatic reduction in purchases?

Petition? Peaceful protest?

Persistent media criticisms? Blogs? Ads?

ok ok, to everyone who thinks fassel is a "fresh mind," and that he had a better record than GG, let me remind you of a few things...Fassel is not "fresh." he is a has been, or actually, a "never was." He was fired from New York, he was fired as a consultant from BALTIMORE of all places, and he was passed over for an OC job just a few weeks ago by a team in which the owner was not a part of the process...are you kidding me??? A young assistant from New England or some other hungry, young, and actually fresh mind, maybe. but not this joke fassel. oh yea, and Williams, in Buffallo, had the great pleasure of working with an owner who is dirt cheap (and relatively poor), a dwindling fanbase, an overall shtty city, and an atmosphere that no one has succeeded in recently. it is BUFFALO for christ sake! and to reject williams is to reject Gibbs' advice, the players' wants, the (strong majority of) fans' wants, and any semblance of continuity. our majical streak from last season will be an ancient memory as FASSEL will not have the respect of any fans or current players on the roster. dan and vinny will be in his corner at the beginning, but at the first sign of trouble they will both retread from the media and we will be left with fassel throwing tantrums at press conferences and fans heckling him at every chance they get. who, in their right mind (and yes, the jim beam was talking) would want that. this is worse than spurrier, this is worse than schottenheimer. at least then we had hope, now we have neither hope nor dignity and a coach without the support of his fans will become frustrated very quickly. if he is hired, it is our duty as fans to run him the hell out of town!! and as for vinny and dan, we can just continue to verbally harass them until they either give up or start doing something right (other than hiring JJG, which was an obvious choice). next year will be ugly folks and we must make life a living hell for this btch owner and his prck puppet fassel

Fassel....out
Williams....in

Vinny....out
Casserly....in

:)

As I posted on the previous thread, Smoot was at Redskins Park today and was asked what he knows about the coaching search. Smoot said he knows nothing and was out there trying to find some news. He was then asked if he has talked to Snyder and Fred said he spoke with him about 1 1/2 weeks ago and that Snyder told him it would be Williams....Smoot added....."he knows how we feel about Gregg."

So I guess Snyder just flat out lied to Smoot.

zjf -- missed the point.

Snyder can't simply call a guy he wants to bring in and get him. Joe Gibbs could do that. Dan Snyder can't. Which is why Zorn and Ryan won't come cheap or easy if at all. Which is why other assistants won't want to join this staff.

But promote from within, show some respect and other people will want to join the program.

As for developing Elway and Simms, hmmmm. 20 years ago is a long time. Steve Mariuchi developed Brett Favre and yet dumped in SF ....

Think about this. The PATS AND the Giants are in the Super bowl and the lead story was the Redskins. Daniel Snyder is a marketing guru. He is a smart owner on the business side. Most owners will take the amount of money he has made the league in marketing. As a scout we know the deal. There is a saying good or bad pr is a good thing. At the end of the day Snyder loves it.

"Good teams, well-coached teams, pull together before the season. They don't wait until December."

really? whoops someone tell the giants!

"town!! and as for vinny and dan, we can just continue to verbally harass them until they either give up or start doing something right (other than hiring JJG, which was an obvious choice)."
Posted by: jmc2007 | January 23, 2008 11:00 PM

Okay then! He should hire JJG again!

It worked so well this time.

zcezcest1, At the day you make a good point but Snyder will pay an assistant 3 million dollars. Allen has big money but would he due that.

All the coaches we are interviewing are using us as leverage to get new contracts with their current teams. That won't change. Fassel is desparate. Hire Williams and fire him next year if he does not make the playoffs and then hire Cowher. What do you have to lose Danny?

nd as far as getting rid of Snyder, do you really think he's worse than the Cardinals' owner? Or the Bengals'? Or the Vikings'? How's Al Davis been working out lately? The Lions' owner? The Falcons'? The 49ers? That's a quarter of the league, just off the top of my head, that's blatantly worse. Snyder's been to 3 playoffs in 8 years, as opposed to 0 in the 7 years before he got here. It's not like we were really that much better off. Maybe we should just calm down a little bit and let the whole situation play itself out. Everyone talks about how Williams would have been so much better the second time around, but there's no chance Fassel can be good the second time.
This was the best post of the night.

Posted by: tjzukoski |

Hello Vinny is the GM. The last time that happened there was no one worse in the leage.

Fassel is a but boy that is it. He can even to the OC job.

F" Snyder bringing in a bunch of long time Giants and Ravens. This thing is going to go down in history in the same line with the big spend for Deion Saunders, who never cared about being a Redskin and dumped out of his contract, leaving us with loads of cap issues. Wanted to retire, until he head the Ravens calling.

How well did Fassel develop young QB Kyle Boller? He didn't. He got fired. Giants fans and Ravens fans tell us all we need to know about Fassel, he is a recycled loser.

Let's see Rex Ryan coach a team defense not loaded with pro-bowl players, which the Skins clearly are not. My guess is, he's no Greg Williams.

Snyder built the Skins back to respectability with Gibbs, now back to his fantasy football ways....sad. Sad to have this on top of the Taylor situation. The team has no continuity or heart. The players want to stay with Williams. The fans don't like the sound of all the changes, are tired of change, tired of blowing things up and starting over. I smell a players rebellion after a few early losses.

Finally, I can see large numbers of empty seats at Fed-Ex, perhaps enough to get Danny Boy to pull the rip-cord and get out of the NFL. I'd like to see the wa-post create a poll about whether fans would prefer Danny sell the team, NOW.

Snyder can get any coach league rules will allow, it just is a matter of how bad he wants him, if he really wanted Zorn he'd have him, one interview is probably not the only option at OC they've thought about, and Schmidt might be who they want at DC, say you get Fossil (oops I mean Fassel) and you know your losing Greg, Schmidt the pupil would make a good replacement, as would Ryan. It all comes down to Danny has decided Gregg's not the guy...

Tell you what, the blog is putting up some good numbers with all this drama going on!

Pity we aren't in the middle of a Blogimatum!

Okay here is the plan. If there is one thing we Washingtonians are good at it is lobbying. I was we go to the congress and lobby them to bust up the NFL as a monopoly, then we negotiate with the nfl, saying that we will drop our assault if they force out Snyder.

maybe the Redskins' nation just needs to put on a Cat Stevens album and chill for a bit...

If the only way you attract good people is to pay them a ton more than they'd get elsewhere, you won't get the right people.

Two conversations:

#1 I'm Joe Gibbs and I'd like you to coach on my staff and I'll pay you $1million

#2 I'm Jim Fassel and I'd like you to coach on my staff and I'll pay you $1million

OK, which offer sounds better. Because Jim Fassel is going to need to find a whole lot of coaches

Ok I think I thought of a way to buy the team.

Get snyder to put shares up for acction to Redskin nation at a price he makes money one. We the fans by as much as we can becoming majority owners.

To do this he has got to get so much 'shi*' and lose so much expected reterns that he has no other real option. Boycott is part of this as is general bi*chen.

Vinny sucks.

On a positive note, if we bring in all these former Ravens maybe Jasno will show the Skins some love.

Vinny is not as awful as people say. He picked the players in the draft.

If the only way you attract good people is to pay them a ton more than they'd get elsewhere, you won't get the right people.

Two conversations:

#1 I'm Joe Gibbs and I'd like you to coach on my staff and I'll pay you $1million

#2 I'm Jim Fassel and I'd like you to coach on my staff and I'll pay you $1million

OK, which offer sounds better. Because Jim Fassel is going to need to find a whole lot of coaches

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 23, 2008 11:13 PM

Now who's missing the point, with Snyder it not...

"I'm Jim Fassel and I can pay you 1 million...."

its

"I'm Jim Fassel and I can pay you 1 million more than anybody else...."

If Snyder really wants to make some cash he could charge each of us $20 to take our turns punching him in the gut - or kick him in the balls. That way he'll know what it's like to be a Skins fan.

Posted by: david

I'd pay $40 for that, more of a marketing genius than little Dan.

we need to stop freakin out people.

Nothing is settled:

http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/4-0&fp=4798ce92d08b6926&ei=-hCYR6jwMpPq-gGl9OXiCA&url=http%3A//www.hogshaven.com/story/2008/1/23/224358/956&cid=0

Biggest problem is that Danny is with us. How many NFL owners sell their teams? Not many. The Bidwells have been screwing the Cardinals for decades, Denise York got the 49ers from her brother, Eddie DeBartolo. Its pretty rare for an owner to sell a team.

Vinny is not as awful as people say. He picked the players in the draft.

Posted by: tjzukoski

Hello hello how old are you. Gibbs does the draft too. Vinny did Sanders, George, Carrier, Stubbafeild ect.

The last couple years they did Ok in the later rounds. Early round are easy.

I've got an idea, how about we sign Priest Holmes to be our new Head Coach?

i have a sneaking feeling, not that it matters, that we're in for a surprise. i think this coaching vacancy is far from being settled. I think Spagnuolo might get serious consideration now and Williams might move back into the fray if he's willing to tone down his personnel demands (that's an assumption, but why the heck else would Williams not get it?)

we need to stop freakin out people.

Nothing is settled:

http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/4-0&fp=4798ce92d08b6926&ei=-hCYR6jwMpPq-gGl9OXiCA&url=http%3A//www.hogshaven.com/story/2008/1/23/224358/956&cid=0

Posted by: craig2

Vinny sucks that is settled. What are you people on. Vinny is the GM did you hear?

Reading this article is like a freakin' soap opera!

Reminds me of a line from Will and Grace: "This is so delicious, it's got to be fattening!"

Two conversations:

#1 I'm Joe Gibbs and I'd like you to coach on my staff and I'll pay you $1million

#2 I'm Jim Fassel and I'd like you to coach on my staff and I'll pay you $1million

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 23, 2008 11:13 PM

When did Option 1 become an option again?

I don't see a lot of difference between #2 and

#3 I'm Gregg Williams and I'd like you to coach on my staff and I'll pay you $1million.

zjf -- ahhh, but the money is not the only issue. Danny and Fassel is likely to be a dead end within a year or two. To play for a top coach and watch your future grow. Smart coaches go to winners. The rest look for the money.

mul , Vinny was in charge of the draft and Gibbs had veto power if he wanted a player. Gibbs choose Rogers and Vinny Merrimann

Okay, someone here needs to become a Scientologist and get close to Cruise. Then if we can get Cruise to put on a 35 TCCL presentation to Snyder telling him why we need stability, we may actually get what we want.

Exactly suz, and if I gotta pick a leader going forward I'd rather have a guy with a proven track record for developing QB's (all of this is meaningless if JC doesn't develop, he is the near future of this franchise and the next 2-5 years revolve around what becomes of JC) than a proven track record of losing 17-31 and pissing people off.

mul , Vinny was in charge of the draft and Gibbs had veto power if he wanted a player. Gibbs choose Rogers and Vinny Merrimann

Posted by: tjzukoski

Rogers is good. Marrimann is better. Did you refute anything I said. You can get good players in the first round. But...

Vinny was in charge from 1999-2001 2003-2004. Vinny got the Ball coach. Do I make myself understood. Are you 10 years old and do not remember? Are you on some sort of payrole?

zcezcest1, its true that "smart coaches" go to winners, but the simple fact is, very few assistants ever sniff head coaching positions at the NFL level and if you think that money doesn't matter to "smart coaches" I got some ocean front property in Arizona I'd love you to take a look at sometime.

suz, Danny is acting like he has Gibbs pull to bring people in and that is gone.

The big difference with Williams, the coaches will be staying and he won't need to recruit nearly as much. If its Fassel, the whole thing turns over.

Any way you look at it this is a PR DISASTER.

Our newly hired Executive Vice President of Personel (Vinny) has done a hell of a job over the last two weeks huh?

Is there PR disasters in Baltimore, Miami, or Atlanta to the degree there is here?

I don't think Phil Savage muffed it up when Crennel was hired. Maybe Thompson got bit by the fans when McCarthy was hired but at least it was a fresh coach and Green Bay was a losing team the prior year. The Redskins, on the other hand, have been to the playoffs twice, have a core team in place, and a young promising quarterback. Not a stellar team, but not one to be dismantled. Just have a good draft, get another receiver, some line depth, and improve the offense and next season would be better.

Most of us do not want to start over when we have done that every other year since 1999.

I think GW said Vinny can't be the GM and that is what did it. I don't know.

Like I said before I went crazy GW can coach I belive but must not pick fights with players. Also he needs his guy to be GM. Vinny can scout he as a track recored of that but nothing else (fact).

Thanks to those who posted the link to the Pascarelli-Mortenson story at ESPN.com, which said that Williams remains a candidate, and now they are thinking of waiting until after the Super Bowl so they can talk to Spagnuolo and/or the OC from New England. Perhaps this time will help them cool off on this insane rush to choose a coaching staff no more accomplished than the ones they have under contract.

I still prefer to give Williams and this group of players and coaches one last chance to get further than another loss in Seattle. But at least if they wait, I would appreciate that Danny explored any and all all options, not just some retread who is in Vinny's Rolodex.

OK I am going to lay this out once and for all!

I love Joe Gibbs. He has been my idol since 1982. I was so excited like all of us in Jan 04...BUT the reality of the matter is what did Gibbs really do for us? Some good times in a few comeback victories and two last minute playoff runs...I loved every minute of it and would take Joe Gibbs back in a heart beat.

Are all of us just wanting Willaims mainly because we are heart broken that Gibbs 2.0 is over and there is no Trophy? Seems we are trying to hold on to Gibbs by wanting to keep everything in place as much as possible by hiring Williams. It's NOT Willaims we all want ...IT's GIBBS! Well in all honesty let's look at it for what it is....what good fondation has been built? I can tell ya this...EVERY SEASON FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS HAS BEEN CONSISTANT WITH A MIDSEASON MELTDOWN! Then they must start the Playoffs in week 10! By the time they get in they are burnt!...I'm sorry but new blood maybe just waht the doctor ordered...maybe they will use this talented team in a different manner and get results.

We are all sentimental with thsi season..Jesus man...at the moment agaisnt the Hawks when they took the lkead and recovered the kickoff..My wife standing in the room yelling "Are you kidding me?! Are you F'n Kidding me?!" that moment I thought we were a team of DESTINY!

I was heat broken and after Gibbs left...I felt the worst I have ever felt as a Skins fan. I STILL am heart broken. I'm still reeling from losing Taylor as well.. It's been a very tough season for us....I just think no matter who it is...a change might be what we really need.....We just need to face it as much as it hurts...GIBBS TRIED TO SAVE US AND TAKE US BACK TO GLORY! AND IT DIDN'T WORK...We must move forward.....

There are worse hires that Fassil...at least the guy as a head coach took his team to the Bowl and many playoffs appearences....can't say that for Williams and I think the GW hire would be a mistake.... I think we should just move forward guys!

HAIL!

zcezcest1, I hear what your saying but your logic is just off man, there's going to be turnover no matter what, especially since every major media outlet is reporting that the O staff is gone regardless....the Danny can get who he wants and that's it.....

Spagnuolo would work for me!

Jasno disappoints with this story. Keep the blog out of the paper. And relying on sports talk radio callers to gauge how fans feel about anything is asinine. It's about as strong journalistically as quoting your own blog.

I had been a big fan of his reporting, even outside of the work done after Sean Taylor was attacked, and particularly in the way he managed the blog while doing the print thing. But this latest silliness undermines his credibility as a journalist. It's a foolish attempt to meld "new media" and "old media." Let's stick to responsible and credible media regardless of the method of publication.

Now as for the matter at hand . . .

Here's one very plausible scenario, somewhat reinforced by Mort's comments earlier:

GG was a clear favorite.

GG knew it.

GG knew the players wanted him, and knew The Danny knew it.

GG played the situation as if he had all the power and made demands on The Danny, demands which may or may not have been reasonable.

The Danny doesn't like people who try to upstage him, especially if they're not named Joe Gibbs.

The Danny heard what GG was saying and gave him four interviews worth of time to back down.

GG didn't back down.

The Danny, put in a corner, reacted by going elsewhere.

Now who knows what really happened, but I certainly think it's very plausible to suggest that GG has asked for too much, more than any reasonable person, much less The Danny, should give.

Why are we not giving The Danny some credit? Yep, he's an arrogant guy. Yep, he's made some poor decisions. But he is the owner of a team that has made the playoffs three out of eight years. His cousin Vinny, much maligned by me and lots of others, is actually well regarded in NFL circles according to some of those insider reporters like Pasquarelli and King.

There are plenty of facts here to support a boneheaded and impetuous move on The Danny's part, which fits well with the general consensus of The Danny's personality. But there are also plenty of facts here to support a very reasonable business decision, regardless of where it goes from here, which fits well with the recent history of mild success (arguably a history of underperforming given the talent, which actually points to coaching failures, which in turn supports the notion o