first... anyways...,.

Gregg dont go!!! lets keep this same team with same coaches around at least one more year before making hard decisions next year to cut a lot of player and Joe Gibbs retiring.

He's the most valuable single person to the team, player. coach or otherwise. The job he did this year was outstanding - with the exception of the Patriots game - especially considering the injuries to Rogers & Mcintosh, the tragic loss of Taylor, a below par front four which has trouble penetrating (the true linchpin of any defense, particularly in this pass-happy era), etc. He cooks up a new stew for every team and, for the most part, they have confounded the opposition. Losing him would be devastating.

Like I said earlier, I will cry if Gregg goes away.

i feel greg blanche could do the same job...that said grilliams aint goin nowhere....

I would also cry if Gregg Williams leaves and I believe he has earned the right to be our next head coach when Gibbs leaves.

I'm fascinated by Norv's offensive strategy so far. The Bolts are taking what the Titans are giving them, and so far the Titans are giving them backwards.

If Gregg Williams really is the coach-in-waiting at Redskins Park, then outside interest could hasten Joe Gibbs' departure.

Personally Grilliams is a cordinator not a head coach. But who knows maybe he is Belicheck 2.0...

who makes brady quinn your whole add campaign?.....

rooting hard for Titans right now...

Fat Man LenDale!

On a side note....I love the Chargers white helmet/yellow bolt look. Sharp.

Not to beat a dead horse. None of us can be sure how much success any coach will have. It strikes me that we are lusting after Russ Grimm as the next coach because he has the same philosophy as Joe. Isn't this the same philosophy that we spent weeks blogging about ??

lusting may be a strong word, and i am for gibbs staying, but grimm is my man "when"

and no his philosophy has been updated by working with norv, cowher, wisenhut, mularky....

so it essentially gibbsian principals that has stayed current....no "learning curve" that gibbs had

the great missed op was when steelers blocked grimm from being gibbs' o-cord when gibbs signed on 4 years ago

How do we feel about Swiss-ham back next year?? There are worse out there, but made me nervous BEFORE saturday's miss. Confidence in him?? Does he have confidence in himself?

Career numbers
30-39 yds 82%
40-49 yds 73%

but hey, he had 5 tackles this year...which is 5 more than me.

Free Agents...Rod Bironas (RFA), Josh Brown (UFA), Lawrence Tynes

On another side note....that "rock me baby" commercial with the animals singing is starting to issue me a complete beatdown

gibbsian principals

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2008 05:26 PM

That is a freakin' AMAZING word !!!! That made me laugh out loud. No doubt that needs to be included in future posts regarding Joe. Cheers to CL

Rooting for the Titans? I would rather see the Pats meet the Jags than the Titans - better game.

Gibbsian Principals 201
M-W-F 9:30 - 11:15
Smith Hall
prof. Bugel
Lab work required

future UofMd course info??

Titans well equipped to beat the Colts. They usually play good games. What a weekend it could be...all very good games!

'Hawks @ Pack
Jags @ Pats
Titans? @ Colts
Jints @ Pokes

CEJ - if the Titans win (6th seed), they go to the Pats and the Jags play Indy. If Chargers win, they go to Indy and the Jags play the Pats.

No way parcells hires a gibbs guy. NO WAY.

Id bet the falcons go after Saunders. If that happens Cam Cameron comes here as our new OC.

I cannot believe that this game is going to be 3-0 going into the half!

Suz...thanks for the smack back to playoff reality ! I got lost in my own *hic* bacardi moment *hic*

I always root against Norv, and I like the Titans, Vince young and Jeff Fischer...

Skins are out not thinking strategicaly anymore just rootin for dudes i like

plus i love LenDale! better than Bush....YES!

goskinsgo--Cam Cameron will be in Dallas with Wade Phillips once the entire O Staff gets dispersed throughout the league.

And Saunders to Atlanta? That doesn't seem likely, does it? That guy's been passed over too many times -- always a bridesmaid, never a bride.

let the record show i am way pro suisham, no reason to get rid of him.

but maybe find a punter that also kicks off....

cej--Suisham's done enough to earn another year with the Skins. We gave up too quickly on Akers. But I would like to see Suisham have some competition in camp this year.

Niiiice kick by Bironas to end the half. RFA, huh? Hmmm.

On the subject of Suisham, I was worried about him even before the game, because we watched him warm up and he was very shaky. It looked like there was something wrong with his technique, because the ball was going end over end at about double the rate of a normal kick. Of course, that weird kicking also nearly won us the game, since it was responsible for the short kick that bounced over the Seahawks returner's head.

Suisham should definitely be back.

And I agree he should have competition in camp.

I would also like to see him work on his leg strength for kickoffs; he is often VERY short on kickoffs.

If the Titans can drive a stake through Norv Turner's heart, then the 'Skins will be the only road team that didn't win this weekend. Weird.

I'm torn on this game.

I'd like to see the Titans win, but on the other hand, I'd prefer to see a Jaguars/Patriots matchup next week, and if Tennessee wins, that won't happen.

TE - I tend to agree with you about Suisham. He didn't scare me, but he didn't exactly bring back memories of Chip Lohmiller either.

76 Kick offs -- 6 Touchbacks = 8% ( 3 kicked out of bounds..yikes!)

trying to find out the league avg.

And as long as we're for-the-recording, for the record, I have no problems with Suisham being our kicker next year.

talent_evaluator --- I'll be honest, Cameron goes to Dallas scares me. If Cameron didnt loes T. Green, or Ronnie Brown they wouldn't have been 1-15.

I still hope GW and AS both stay for the team's sake. If and whn they can turn the corner they'll be dangerous (injuries prevented a FULL turn - IMHO)

TE:

Cam will be in either St Louis or SF, not Dallas. Garrett stays to percolate more in winning enviornment.

Also Al Sunders already been a bride in San Diego. But I agree he aint HCing anywhere next season...

I'd like to see the Titans win, but on the other hand, I'd prefer to see a Jaguars/Patriots matchup next week, and if Tennessee wins, that won't happen.

Seconded. My main playoff hope is for someone to beat the Pats.

I hope they both stay as well. I just hope that Al gives Jason pages 125-700 of that playbook.

I'm sure I'm wrong in this opinion, but, it just seemed like Jason got pgs 1 - 124 and Todd got the rest of the playbook. Of course, Todd's knowledge helped and the health of Santana et al was huge.

I'm totally rooting for the Chargers in this game - not because I like them but because next week's game NEEDS to be Jags/Pats. The Jags might be able to beat the holier than thou Pats. The Titans? Not a chance.

Suisham should stay. He's been pretty good this season and it's not like great kickers are bountiful.

For the life of me I can't understand how anyone can envision Saunders going to ATL.

What about Derrick Frost coming back?

I read that Jeff Feagles is an UFA, and even though he's ancient, he DOES have a helluva knack for putting punts inside the 10.

Not sure if a punter is worth spending much money on though.

Wow - Ladanian has 9 carries for 10 yds...unreal

Can someone remind me why it didn't work out for Gregg Williams at Buffalo?

Saunders was a bride at San Diego? That was Marty's third marriage partner and Norv's, as well. How long ago was Saunders the bride?

Pats are gunna win it all, no sense fighting it....so I take each game on individual basis, and I hate Norv, would laugh silly if he loses this game 9-3....

TE:

YeaH Saunders was a HC/Bride in SD like 1.5 years in 80's...

And SD was Marty's 4th marriage!

(Browns, KC, Skins, SD)

The big question is: if the Chargers lose this game will Norv be fired?

Can someone remind me why it didn't work out for Gregg Williams at Buffalo?

Saunders was a bride at San Diego? That was Marty's third marriage partner and Norv's, as well. How long ago was Saunders the bride?

Saunders was a coach in the late 80's with San Diego. williams was in Buffalo for 3 years after he was the DC with the Titans under J Fisher. This was during their Super Bowl era.

I am alive and abiding... I'll be back for the offseason pushes. It was a good year friends!

Saunders was the head coach for SD from 86-88.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Saunders

Man, I would love for the Cowboys to get to the Super Bowl to face the Pats and then lose 63-10

Is it me, or does San Diego like to pout and stomp their feet. I know that every team has that when you have men competing on this level ( see Collins/Selelrs ) , but if it is not Rivers, it's Tomlinson, or Merriman.

I guess if they don't get their act together, ol Norv will be pouting as well.

Man, I would love for the Cowboys to get to the Super Bowl to face the Pats and then lose 63-10

Posted by: hailbg | January 6, 2008 06:27 PM

Let the congregation say AMEN !

Mr. Redskin,

Frost is 28th in the league, with a 41.0 yard average. Your man, Feagles, is 30th, with a 40.4 average. Not much of an upgrade.

Now, should you spend money on a punter? There's a bunch of guys with a 44 yard average, and they're ranked 9 through 15. Most punters punt 80 times a year (105 if you're punting for San Francisco). So three yards on 80 punts is 240 yards -- 15 yards per game. How much money is that worth?

The Redskins offense this year averaged 333.4 yards per game, 15th in the league. An extra 15 yards per game would move it up to 10th in the league.

I know, kicking isn't offense and it isn't defense, it's kicking. But, in order of magnitude, it's got to be worth something to move the ball closer to the other guy's endzone.

Williams lost his players in Buffalo because of, what some would say, his arrogance and inflexible style of coaching. That style seems to be tempered quite a bit from his up-close view of how things are done with Coach Gibbs and especially with the events of the past year

By the way...for anyone who cares...

T minus 2 1/2 hours and counting till the Wire Season 5 premiere.

Win one for Bodie !

Williams lost his players in Buffalo because of, what some would say, his arrogance and inflexible style of coaching.

Posted by: hailbg | January 6, 2008 06:32 PM

Maybe someone should ask Lavar if he agrees!!

Ha ha! Holy cow! Hey, TheCindy, guess what. My friend Dean (yes, that one) is in the first picture in the slide show in Nick Miroff's article today about Skins fans attending yesterday's game (the "slings and arrows" one). Guy in the VT hat.

Watched Wire already on HBO on demand...gonna be a fun 10 weeks!

Watched Wire already on HBO on demand...gonna be a fun 10 weeks!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2008 06:37 PM

I resisted the temptation. Kinda like to watch on premiere day. I'm a dork like that.....CAN'T WAIT

Lavar said last night on the post game show that Williams will receive interest from other teams and that Williams is a "defensive genius."

I also love The Wire and am excited about the new season.

I kinda think we might - just - maybe - just possibly be ok at WR. If we go...

1. Moss
2. Bryant Johnson ( FA from ARZ-i'll explain)
3. ARE
4. Che Che Caldwell
5. Big Tony Mix

Johnson won't break the bank. He is a big kid 6'3" 213 from Baltimore. Playing behind Fitzgerald and Boldin, he has never had more than 49 catches. But he isn't coming here to put up number 1 stats. 137 of his 210 catches have gone for 1st downs. I honestly don't know about his hands, but whadda ya think?

This also gives us a chance to see what Mix has, and he can take the place of Thrash on ST's... i know i know painful.

Well?? Anyone got any thoughts??

i like it!

Other Free Agent WR's

Bernard Berian, Chicago ( just like moss)
Devrey Henderson, New Orl ( eh ?)
Patrick Crayton, Pokes ( not possesion )

and some guy named R Moss from New England...don't know much about him!! But Moss and Moss sound pretty damn good to me. ( I know it will never happen, but just for giggles )

Holy Crap....Norv is FUMING about something, even before the challenge.

in my mind that is not a TD...forward progress was stopped.....

It really is hard to root for the Chargers since all they do is whine.

close...but i think i agree with you CL

teams take on personality of the coach....

It really is hard to root for the Chargers since all they do is whine.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 6, 2008 07:12 PM

It's always something with them. And don't you think they should mix in a play-off win or two before they act like God's gift to football

micheal turner is the truth....

you heard it here first, Turner the Burner will be houston texan's starting RB next season...

Chris Larry, they whined last season and I don't consider Marty a whiner. Tomlinson is the worst...

Now that is an interesting team...Houston..

QB Schaub
RB Turner
WR A Johnson

Explosive

Lisa I can't hate on LT....he does so much more right than wrong...

Titans should consider giving Vince Young SOMETHING to work with at WR. I know they had a few injuries, but even healthy..um not so good.

They need a WR more than we do.

Yo Cej,

Not to mention Houston's other WRs stepped up this year to package a strong unit around A. Johnson.

...package a strong unit around A. Johnson.
Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2008 07:27 PM

Are you baiting the blog CL?

What do you guys thing about WR's Javon Walker and Roy Williams? Looks like both will be available via trade this off season. Do the Redskins pursue either one of them? I think I may consider sending my 1st to Detroit for Roy Williams. He's a big strong fast true #1 WR. Apparently he wants out of Detroit. As for Javon Walker, he seems like a me first type and rubs me the wrong way. He has knee problems so I think I would pass on him. WR's take at least 2 - 3 years to develop so I'm not in favor of selecting one late in the first round. I'd rather send me 1st rounder to Detroit for Williams. Not sure if Detroit would bite but it's worth a shot. Salary cap may be an issue as well with Moss, Randle El and Lloydd all having huge contracts.

OK guys...I can't find which post it was, but one or two people brought up the idea of trading Ladell Betts in order to recoup the lost draft pick. The thought is that he would get about a 3rd or 4th rdr.

DISCLAIMER !!I AM NOT AGREEING with that!! DISCLAIMER !!

But for argument sake, get a 4th for ladell and pick up an extra OL ( assuming we get one in round 1 ).

We then can replace him with ...maybe Mewelde Moore UFA from Minnesota.

Talent Evaluator---as your name suggests--what do you think?

AGAIN I AM NOT IN FAVOR just throwing stuff against the wall

yo mack, hadn't thought about but the humor is endless...

say no to trading picks for vets!

i like cej's boy in AZ...lets go get next year's wes welker!

3 unintentional dick references in one sentence is extraordinary work CL!
And I agree with you 100% on the folly of trading picks for vets. Especially with Vinny and crew evaluating the talent.

I say no on trading Betts, if they wanted to do it they should have last year. His YPC is down this season and we did not split the load like we needed to. I would be shocked if Saunders and GG don't get a lot of looks this year, they patch worked like mad men with this team. I think that the Fightin' Hon's could use a guy like Weird Al.

Besides Lloyd (who was REALLY GOOD in SF) and Archuleta, what mistakes have Vinny & Co made? They have certainly drafted some good young talent. Kendall and Godfrey were also great pickups.

Fightin' Hon's
Posted by: alex35332 | January 6, 2008 07:53 PM

Classic !!!

I am trying to get Fightin' Hon's as part of the RI lexicon.

Lisa,

Agree that nobody could have predicted the extreme failure of The Receiver and Archuleta. I think the failure of Vinny et al has been in the guys they let leave ( Ex Ryan Clark, Lavar, ) and not addressing the depth at both lines.

Anyone want to wager on what we get for Lloyd? What round pick of do we cut him flat out or trade him for someone (if so what position/round draft pick are they)?
I am guessing we trade him for a low round pick OL.

we will just cut blloyd....and really good in SF is a stretch, i know he was on my fantasy team then....

vinny has been around since norv so he has had had many gaffs, but was it him or snyder...who knows...

I concur with cej. I think the error of trading our picks for big names, and being afraid to tell a young overzealous owner no was also a mistake of V

So far today I've come across 2 classic new terms for the future of the RI...

Gibbsian Principals (chrisLarry)
Fightin' Hon's (alex35332)

Creative and genius ! Cheers !

Oh and the 3 "member" references in one sentence. What a nice day on the blog.

Does the RI dictionary/translator site still exist? I remember seeing it way back when.

We have NO leverage for trading LLoyd. Why would anybody give us a draft pick for someone who isn't cracking our top 4, and makes a lot of money? We will have to cut him. If he goes somewhere and puts up a 1000 yd season, bully for him. But it can't be here.

yes on the redskins insider wiki. if you havent join, do so!

http://redskinsinsiders.wetpaint.com/page/RI+Lingo

I still think some team out there with a worse situation then ours may be willing.

Brandon Lloyd was REALLY GOOD in SF
No one could predict the extreme failure of The Receiver

WTF?

Here are Receiver, The's career stats courtesy of Sportsline (http://sportsline.com/nfl/players/playerpage/396021),

receiver, the's highs in SF would be 48 catches (hardly spectacular), 15.3 ypc average (decent to pretty good), and 6 tds (avarage). During these three years, receiver, the racked up a reputation amongst teammates and player personnel as a selfish malcontent, a bad teammate, and a dbag. Despite all of this, receiver, the is given a six-year, $27 million deal ($10 million guaranteed) and expected to turn into an all pro team player.

i'm sorry, but there were LOTS of signs that this was going to turn out badly. to claim otherwise is to do some significant historical revisionism

Adam

roger clemens on 60minutes

Suisham is the kicker. Mark Mosely made a good point in that most teams don't stick with a kicker long enough through rough spells.

I like Betts, but why would you keep him. Cartwright could probably do the same thing. RB's are easier to get that picks and O-lineman. No way I would trade our first round pick unless it was for Randy Moss.

yes on the redskins insider wiki. if you havent join, do so!

http://redskinsinsiders.wetpaint.com/page/RI+Lingo

yes on the redskins insider wiki. if you havent join, do so!

http://redskinsinsiders.wetpaint.com/page/RI+Lingo

Non the less Adam I still think he could go into some crap cities like, Tennessee or Oakland, end up a no 3 WR and contribute. The bottom 5 teams when it comes to Passing yards, SF Oak Buf Car Min

I don't see him going back to the 49ers. Buffalo is too cold he seems like a nancy. Minn could pick him up.

not a chance in sweet hades anyone trades for blloyd.....

What about giving em to the CFL? AFL? AAFL? UFL?

Adam, I'm not into stats....all I know is that every time I watched a SF game, Lloyd was making an amazing acrobatic catch.

Lloyd could be a super star in the new AAFL, though the teams play in crap locations outside the Florida team.

losable type is eating posts like a supastar tonight...

i dont care if blloyd was catching balls with his azz in SF he stunk, the move we made was a league joke, we made it worse by he exstension, he might be the most un-Gibbsian principaled player to ever where the burgundy and gold...

cut him, take the hit, turn the page

Hey gang,

Thanks for the link to the RI Wiki. I live in Dallas ( yes i know !) but lived in DC/MD for 27 years. I found the RI blog this year at about week 3 or 4. HAD A BLAST as a frequent reader, semi-frequent poster. This has been great.

Gotta go get my Bacardi and get ready for The Wire...

Cheers!!

Lisa,

Amazing catches make highlight moments. Badly run routes, missed assignments, and lack of effort do not.

No question receiver, the made some eye popping plays. But for the 1 eye popping play per game (and that's definitely generous), you got 3+ quarters of squadoosh. Far better to have less flash, more substance, and be reliable throughout a game.

Adam

Okay, so I am now official - all registered with the wiki.

Still a girl - I am ready for a new Desperate Housewives! :) No Wire for me!

*beep* *beep*

I agree with what some have said. I have a feeling that this would give Joe added reason to step aside as head coach and move in as a GM/Personnel guy. Gibbs has done pretty well with our draft picks and a number of our trades and free agents. (The money some were paid wasn't exactly the best, but I digress)

I hope Greg Stays.

My personal opinion is that Gibbs should stay. Who was the last coach to lead this team to the playoffs in two out of three seasons before Gibbs 2? Gibbs 1! I know people are not satisfied with simply getting to the postseason, but considering where this team ended the season in years previous, it is pretty good.

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