Booya!

Obviously, we need to start getting Dr. Z on the Todd Collins for HOF bandwagon.

somewhere jeff george is throwing darts at a todd collins poster... and balding

taking nothing away from JC, Collins has demonstrated what JC needs to do. The gap between the performance of the two to date, after 20 JC starts, is not less than stunning, even if you only consider retaining the football or completion percentages. At the end of the day, set aside knowledge of the system. That should be a given for a starting quarterback in the NFL. This is not JV. You either perform or you don't. If JC continues his 2007 performance level next year, I'd guess he'll not be here long after that.

I agree with Jasno. Pulling for Jason in the future does not discount Todd's ability or what he's accomplished...but he's a back up.

Bottom Line - Todd Collins is doing his job at an exceptional level and Redskins Nation loves him for it!

Jason Campbell, however, is the future. He's the guy.

Now lets enjoy the ride!

I think JC has shined this year. He's done a great job. Do I wish he was performing like a hall of fame QB? Yes, but that's a totally unjustifiable expectation at this point in his career.

Watching Todd run the offense won't hurt JC one bit. To a man of his character, it amounts to one thing...motivation.

As one veteran put it to me yesterday: "This is Jason's house. Todd is just renting."

Love hearing that from the players. Crazy Al needs to let the kid run all the plays in the playbook.

JLC is on point. Can't argue with any of this.

Todd in 2008...heck yes!!! As our backup...

On a separate QB note, I don't know if I'm the only one, but the more I think about it the more I don't like our matchup against Seattle and Hasselback this week. Our D has been thriving on the "we're gonna take away your running game, and you are going to have to beat us in the air" philosophy. Seattle went on their winning streak by adopting a "we don't care about the run, we're going to beat you in the air" philosophy. If we stack 8 in the box the way we have been and dare them to throw, this plays right into Seattle's strength...just hope GGGGGGGreGGGGGGGGG. has a great D-plan.

Also, if there is one weakness in Todd's game (exposed by Dallas), it is that he will hang out in the pocket for a long time. He doesn't scramble or seem to have that "internal clock" on the pass rush clicking just yet...has anyone seen Patrick Kerney lately?

Another personnel guy made what I thought was a pretty astute comparison. He called Collins an excellent system quarterback, so perfect and well versed in Al Saunders's style, where his lack of mobility and downfield arm strength are not a big problem. But unless you are running that system, you wouldn't really consider him

I said this very same thing up here a couple of days ago. How come I'm a technical writer guy instead of a personnel guy?

If JC continues his 2007 performance level next year, I'd guess he'll not be here long after that.

I don't understand comments like this. Campbell played exceptionally well for a QB with so few starts. Yeah, he had problems with game-killing INTs, but he's young, people. Young QBs do those types of things. He's made a lot more outstanding plays than boneheaded plays. He ain't no Heath Shuler, who never showed anything.

I haven't been this excited about a QB's potential since...since...

p1funk,

the D can work the other way too. Look what they did to Detroit. They completely took away the pass and dared them to run.

Seattle is better the Detroit, but it can be done.

p1funk, you haven't been paying enough attention. Grilliams is a man with a plan for all kinds. The game plan they use with Hasselback is the same one they used with Kitna and Favre. Denial of the deep ball, forcing them to through into short zones and the flats. Admittedly, it didn't work so well against the first game against Romo, but that was b/c it was Sean Taylor's first game out (injured) and neither LaRon nor Doughty had figured out where they fit. Hasselback can be denied. This game will just be more like Green Bay than Detroit, i.e., the running game is stronger. Alexander is not the risk ... Morris is.

nailed it!

Maurice Morris is averaging 4.5 ypc and 9.5 yards per reception.

I'm tired of when we comment on Jason, we have to say how many starts he 'only' had. Check the books, Campbell ain't too far behind Romo in the amount of starts. The amount of starts shouldn't be the # you look at. How many years in a certain system should be the indicator. Campbell is in the 2nd year of the same system. TC is in the 9th or 10th year of the same system.

Why are we even talking about this. We have all off season to talk about this. We are in the freakin playoffs! Let's worry about this another day........

Pat Kerney:

Sacks 14.5

Sacks against winning teams 1.5

Sacks outside of his poor division 4.5

Games without a sack 7

worthless sacks 10

Lofa Topatupapa:

Ints 4

Worthless Ints against a back up QB 3

INTs against a winning team 0

Comcast said it best last night, Grilliams is the man when he can negate one aspect of a teams O and forcing them to play the way they dont want to.

Only teams we need to worry about are those who can do two things good, pass and run.

I will always have a special place in my heart for Todd Collins after all that he has done for this team this year. And in an ideal world, he'll be back next year, resuming his old role and Jason Campbell will go back to being the starter and hopefully much improved in his 4th NFL season and there would be no issues or controversies.

But....Let's be honest people.

Redskins fans, in general, have the shortest memory and least amount of patience of any fans on earth. If Jason Campbell starts out slow next year, loses a game or maybe 2 on a stupid interception or a reckless fumble, the "We Want Todd! We Want Todd!" chants will start echoing down from the stands and talk radio will be flooded with calls demanding Todd be given another chance in what will likely be Joe Gibbs last season (and possibly our best shot at a Super Bowl run). And there will be much pressure, possibly from Al Saunders and possibly from others within the organization, to give Collins another shot in such a scenario.

So what's my point? For Jason Campbell to develop into the kind of QB most of us think he can be, Todd Collins can't be on the roster next year. And BELIEVE ME, I'm not suggesting we couldn't still use Todd as a backup (or even as a starter) nor am I saying that I'm not fully appreciate of everything he has done for this team this season. I'm just saying, it's probably in the best interest for the long term progress of this team and our young QB if Todd Collins isn't here next year.

I didn't want to even post my thoughts on the situation until after this season was over...but then this thread popped up.

p1funk, yes, Kearney is obviously a concern, but so were the likes of Strahan/Umenurine, and tons of other dudes. Heyer has to have a big game, but he HAS been having big games down this stretch. My only concern was something about a Heyer's ankle.

"I don't understand comments like this. Campbell played exceptionally well for a QB with so few starts. Yeah, he had problems with game-killing INTs, but he's young, people. Young QBs do those types of things. He's made a lot more outstanding plays than boneheaded plays. He ain't no Heath Shuler, who never showed anything."

His comment makes perfect sense, especially with your rebuttal. He's saying if Campbell doesn't stop making those mistakes, then he'll be gone. While I am more a JC believer than not, I still agree with him. I also wouldn't say that JC has made a LOT more good plays than bad...

Seattle is better the Detroit, but it can be done.

Are you sure about this? If Seattle played the same teams They did wouldn't Seattle look very similar?

The Skins did it to GB to and they certainly are better than Seattle.

Barno, sadly I agree. But I thought Gibbs may had curbed his penchant for the vet QB knowing he needs to groom a franchise QB.

But maybe these last four games has reverted him.

Barno,
I don't think what the fan's think is that important. It's those guys in Ashburn.

Also, I think JC will make another quantum leap in the off-season. So, while I understand your argument, I don't see it playing out that way.

Does anyone else here see how overrated Pat K really is???????

Barno, you are the man. I totally agree that Skins fans have (close to) the shortest memory and least patience in the league (not quite like Philly or Giant's fans, but competitive), but I disagree that the thing to do is can Collins. Its just a matter of force feeding common sense and a longer time horizon to those (us) fans.

What were we talking about again? Damn, when is this coffee going to finish brewing?

[Brought to you by another blogger with the attention span of a hamster.]

Well done Jasno. This whole situation could not have workied out better for Redskins Nation.

JC gets to see the system run the way weird Al wants it and will take the rock and run with it next year. TC will be around for insurance and everyone live happily ever after (even Barno)

Barno can only live happily if Cooley will sign his DVD.

Skins have have a long memory when it comes to former greats.

Just common sense. We tend to forget that sometimes.

This is the first time I have checked out another team's forum.......

Hilarious. I've posted a few, but nothing trollish. It's funny to see how they react to the few guys who bait them, just like how some of us react when it happens over here. I will tell you this; there is no convincing any of them that their Seahawks will lose. Here's a summation of each and all of their threads:

1. Seahawks will win, without a doubt. Any redskins fan who thinks that the Skins will win is an absolute moron who cannot back up their thoughts with relevant points/stats.
2. If it so happens to be a close game, the Seahawks will win because of the glorious, wonderific, devine, all knowing, all faithful, best and loudest fans in the whole entire universe; the 12th man. They have a flag that proves this.
3. They are tired of hearing about how their division sucks and they have a weak schedule. This is just not true because they are 7-1 against the NFC east since losing to us in the 05 reg season. Seriously, thats why it's not true and why our schedule strength was irrelevant.
4. They are tired of hearing how the skins are playing for Sean Taylor. Skins will be emotioned out, and the 12th man will help them overcome anything the Skins throw at them.
5. The 12th man is the greatest thing ever. Ever. Ever. Ever.
6. Todd Collins is not good. Nevermind that he is the player of the month. He has never started a playoff game and therefore will lose this one.
7. Even though vegas has them favored, they get no respect, and boo-hoo-hoo, waaaaaahhhhhhhh!!! Some columnist picked the Redskins to win. WAAAHHHH!
8. All of us Redskins fans are homers because we think we will win the game. They KNOW the Seahawks will win easily and are definitely NOT homers.
9. The Seahawks have the best home record over the last 4 years, so this one is all locked up. Pack their bags for Gren Bay.
10. The 12th man is God's greatest creation. They will make the redskins ears BLEED! Not the seahawks ears though. They are apparently deaf or immune to noise or something.
11. Even though they admit that they have no run game, we won't be able to cover their awesome receivers, or even scheme to do so. Matt Hasselback will not get so much as breathed on.
12. 12th man rules.

One things for sure when it comes to Heavy Metal Parking Lot, we all sail above the ADD crowd.

Pdiddy,
Speaking of Heavy Metal Parking Lot, where on Saturday will the pre-game shabingus go down?

I wonder in 3 more years people will be saying "JC has only started 65 games..." I don't think Todd Collins is the solution, but the sooner we realize that Campbell probably isn't either, the better off we will be. Slow release, poor decision making, stares down receivers, makes bad throws. The only upside is he has a great arm and is somewhat mobile. Other than that he's sort of a cluster-f. It's amazing how much more patience we are supposed to have with certain types of young QB's than others.

A friend of mine predicted the scenario that we're currently in BEFORE this season even began. He said way back last summer that Campbell will have a great year all things considered, but will get injured and the veteran would come in and lead us to the promise land in a way that a young QB probably couldn't. Of course, the "veteran" he was referring to was not Todd, but Mark...

I really liked his theory at the time, and I'm having so much fun watching it (hopefully) come to fruition.

5. The 12th man is the greatest thing ever. Ever. Ever. Ever.

What is the address for the site, I need to see for my self.

Buncha cappuccino-drinking towel-wavers.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=114&f=1936&t=1767633#s=114&f=1936

Any one of these cappuccino-drinking towel-wavers who tries to talk 12th man to a Redskins fan without first acknowledging RFK as the gold standard is in dire need of a swift kick to the junk.

12th Man in Seattle = Most Over-hyped comment this week

I don't seem to remember that 12th man showing up in the playoffs in the same stadium two years ago. A much weaker Redskins team (and a much stronger Seattle team) beat themselves. The roles and momentum are reversed now.

Sometimes Football is that simple.

Barno,

You coming to Seattle, dude? I wasn't clear from your post the other day, but it sounded like you were coming out for the game.

Definitely want to meet you in person, if you're there for the Friday evening preparatory festivities.

And anybody else who's coming out as well, of course.

-Nate in the PDX

12th man, schmelth man. Its called home field advantage. It is what it is ... and can be managed like anything. Some hometown fans can be crushed VERY quickly (see e.g., Giants fans in the Meadowlands), other hometown fans take longer (Chiefs fans in Arrowhead Stadium). The key is to start strong and maintain time of possession in the first half. For all of their craptastic second halfs (halves?) this season, the Skins have had great starts and first halfs/halves. It starts on special teams.

Barno, are you coming to Seattle? It'd be great to meet you. And I mean that in the nicest possible way, not being facetious at all.

I will post a meetup location at Qwest tomorrow. I'm not much of a tailgater (I live so close to the stadium that I just walk out the door and meander the 15 minutes or so down the street). So, need to ask someone who would know.

One thing to be aware of for those who are attending the game: the security line to get in is asinine. Give yourself at least 20-30 minutes to get inside the stadium.

Oh yeah 4 more:
13. The Skins were on an "even bigger roll" in 05, and look what happened........
14. Any skins troll on the site will surely crawl away after the Hawks kick our a$$.....
This one is unfortunately always pre-ceded by some idiot who tries to brag about 3 super bowl trophies:
15. "History means jack squat, but we beat you in 05 at home so surely we will win again"
16. The 12th man is God-like, and kicks a$$!

Ha! I think that proves that Nate and I are the same person :-)

OK. Todd Collins is the real thing and will be the quarterback in 2008 because he manages the offense brilliantly. Jason on the other hand is a good athlete but not a good quarterback yet. Let him simmer as second string, learn from Collins and meanwhile draft another quarterback late, just in case Jason doesnt make it. I was sick to my stomach with Jason's many mishaps late in the games and dont want to see the same old same old next year. By the way, whatever we say, redskins coaches are smart. they are not going to delegate Todd to second string just because it may hurt Jason's feelings. Let him learn the game first.

YoungTurk

I'll have to take a picture of the 12th Man flag atop the Space Needle. I'll try and head up to the roof and do that today. It's very adorable.

not P Diddy.

Jasno, can you please leave a copy of this post on Boswell's desk? The last couple paragraphs of his column today are doing nothing but feeding this Collins in '08 silliness.

As a Skins fan who lives in the Pac NW (along with Nate, Stumped, Redskins Willie, DCh3, et al) I have seen my fair share of Seahawks games this year--in addition to nearly every one of the Skins games, of course.

This is why I have no problem stating that if the Skins come out motivated, especially their Defense, they will have no problem putting the Seahawks--and their fans--on their heels pretty quickly.

Because I have yet this year to see a "dominating" performance out of Seattle. It seems that if you can knock Hasslebeck back a few times he quickly loses his concentration/focus. Then if you can stuff Alexander...well, there's your whole offense.

And their D? Uhm...how do you get trampled by Arizona, with the division title on the line none the less, and claim to have a Defense.

Then again, what do I know? Besides being the homer that I am.

In any case, it should be a great game and I look so forward to strutting into work on Monday (amongst all the Seahawks fans who have been talking SO much this week) singing a resounding version of "HTTR!".

I look forward to meeting everyone who is converging on Seattle for tomorrow night's festivities!

Safe travels.

The 12th man flag is weigh geigh.

Not sure if anyone posted this story yet...

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10557272

A couple things --

JLC, I love ya but your mancrush on Campbell may be effecting your blogging just a tad.

Take away the Giants game played in horrible weather. Collins has been SCARY GOOD. He's completing over 70 percent of his passes. On third down, he is deadly. He doesn't turn the ball over. For a guy with a supposed weak arm, he sure gets the ball downfield.

I love Campbell too, but make no mistake, if we resign Collins and I think we will, Joe and Al are going to have a hard time keeping him on the bench. At the very least, it will be an open competition.

Its about field position ...

Special Teams ... kick off

Rock Cartwright -- 52 returns, 1339 yards, 25.8 yards per return.

Nate Burleson -- 27 attempts, 590 yards, 21.9 yards per return.

Skins KO defense -- 66 return attempts, 1289 yards, average of 19.5 yards allowed per return.

Seahawks KO defense -- 72 return attempts, 1790 yards, average of 24.9 yards allowed per return.

The 12th Man belongs to Texas A and M - ask anyone down here - so they can't even come up with an original nickname for their home field advantage...

>

p1funk:

I'm with you. Not really scared, but it does bring pause. Our last four wins have been against teams that do not have very good passing offenses. Bears had Orton, Giants had a blizzard, Vikes had T-Jack, and Romo was sans Owens. They've been playing a lot of man coverage and I don't think they'll be able to do that again so effectively.

That said, Triple G should be able to figure something out and if Doughty doesn't sht the bed, we will be in good shape.

Will somebody tell me how I can post a sweet photo of me at the Metrodome to like the wiki or something? I'd like to share.

HTTR ITWT

"Though I personally would not be opposed to giving Jason Campbell a shot should he get healthy deep in the playoffs."

Come on, JLC. Are you saying Gibbs or any coach for that matter would bench Todd for a healthy Jason if Todd got us to the NFC Championship? Try selling that one to the players.

Like I said before, I love JC too, but you have a mancrush.

chris_skins_balt beyond unreal

Thnaks for the link chris_skins_balt. I won't bash him because he plan on doing something for Sean. But I don't understand how he keeps getting going to the pro bowl.

I wonder in 3 more years people will be saying "JC has only started 65 games..." I don't think Todd Collins is the solution, but the sooner we realize that Campbell probably isn't either, the better off we will be. Slow release, poor decision making, stares down receivers, makes bad throws. The only upside is he has a great arm and is somewhat mobile. Other than that he's sort of a cluster-f. It's amazing how much more patience we are supposed to have with certain types of young QB's than others.

Posted by: buryyourduke | January 3, 2008 02:20 PM

What solution are you referring to? The solution to the problem we don't have peyton manning on our team? yes we all want a superstar hall-of-fame quarterback, but the sooner YOU (and the redskins) realize those quarterbacks only come around 2-3 times in a generation, the better off this team's will be. No, I don't think Jason Campbell will come to the level of a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, but i do think he can rise to the level of a Matt Hasslebeck or Ben Roethlisberger. Give him a healthy, consistent supporting cast (something Todd Collins has had the last four weeks), and Jason would be there already, or at least extremely close. Don't knock Jason because the rest of the team finally started performing to their capabilities.

I don't think JLC have a mancrush on JC. To me is seem he is saying that JC gives you more to work with than Todd. Todd is not going to run or move while JC will. No question JC should be the starter next year.

I thought that football was supposed to be a competitive sport, where the better player wins the position.

I don't know how Todd Collins will do in the future this year, but it seems obvious to me that he's the better QB for this team right now. He is better than Jason in knowledge of the system, execution, decision-making, etc.

Going into TC, there's no reason to think that he won't still be the better of the two. What was it that Joe Gibbs used to say whe he sat Pat and played Mark? "I just feel like he gives us the best chance to win."

Well, which QB will give us the best chance to win come next September? What vital experience will Jason get between now and then?

I am unimpressed with comments about how we don't want to hurt Jason's psyche. Jason is a grown man who has had to compete for anything he's gotten in life and in sports.

This kind of competition should be old hat to him. When he can do the job better than Todd, he will get it.

Right now, despite his great physical gifts, he can't.

and just for the record, i'm not knocking collins in any way, shape, or form. i love what he's done, he's played out of his mind. i just think it's a bit naive to overlook the much improved performances of players like heyer, fabini, portis, moss, and the entire defense over the last four weeks (and subsequently deem that Todd Collins starting over JC is the sole reason behind the win streak).

Probowl voting has become a joke. Cowboys idiots just blast ballots in with all cowboys. When are they finally going to take the publics right to vote away? We clearly don't desereve it.

4th flr, just to put Campbell in perspective, he only has a few more starts than romo. The difference is, according to JLC, is that Romo spent 3.5 years on the bench studying before he started. that would put JC on the bench for another year and a half.....

It's going to be a darn shame when a team with 12 Pro Bowlers doesn't make the Super Bowl. Just think what that team could do if it had real talent.

Adam

Things could be worse, I could be a Seahawks fan. It's unreal what la la land they live in. They actaully think the Hawks have a chance in this game against a team that has played great teams dealt with so much and still won. They got handed games on a platter and still managed to lose 6 of them.

So who's up for a board invasion?

StumptownChris, I thought the Skins' win against Arizona was undeserved and that the Cards played the better game that day. [That said, I think the Skins also outplayed the Packers, so as a matter of karma, its a draw on the W-L result.]

Todd has played great but people he's been on the bench for 10 years! If he was so great he would have been a starter way before now. Also please look at how long he has been in one system. Take him out of that system and I don't think he plays lights out.

Breaking News
The NFL has announced that Roy Williams will replace Sean Taylor on the NFC Pro Bowl roster.

They won't listen.......but if you're up for a good argument....

True jm;

and the point has already been made, our winning and TC starting is not a 1-1 correlation.

The line is playing better, the receivers are healthy.

I do see TC throwing the ball and making quicker decisions, but there is more than one way to throw the ball. Usually if you read defenses late, your throw is quicker to make up for lost seconds.

Either way, I would love to see JC behind a capable line with healthy receivers and a resurgent running attack.

"Breaking News
The NFL has announced that Roy Williams will replace Sean Taylor on the NFC Pro Bowl roster."

That's ok, I have more respect for him since he whiffed on that portis touchdown. He's actually been one of the better Redskin offensive weapons the past couple years...

"I appreciate being the first alternate to go," said Williams, who is going to the Pro Bowl for the fifth straight year. "We are going to do something special for Sean and his family."

Williams wouldn't elaborate on the plans to honor Taylor, who died Nov. 27 after being shot during a burglary at his home in Florida.
_______________

The only real honor would be delivery of the lumber on the AFC punter.

DCSween,

Good point. However, the Skins won in Arizona. Where Seattle lost, with the division title on the line.

Plus, I challenge any team to beat Green Bay in Green Bay this season. And to only lose by 3, even well before the Skins hit their late-season stride really says a lot.

Anyway, I'm just tossing out casual observations on what I've seen. And as people will tell you I'm far from an analyst on these matters.

Look, I love the way Collins is playing. They wouldn't be here without him, and he should definitely be the man all the way through this (hopefully) long run.

But it's not all just about now. You also have to build for the future. The only way Campbell is going to improve is by playing. He'll make fewer and fewer of these mistakes, if he's the player most of us believe he is. He's more than potential; he's done it on the field, and has improved this year. No, he's not a pro bowl QB yet; how many were their first year as a starter? Not many Marinos/Roethlisbergers out there.

But Jason is right that you can't stunt his growth now. He has to play through his mistakes; that's how every green QB learns.

One dimensional analysis is just that.

Oh, and does anyone expect the Seahawks fans to listen?

You said it much better than I did Z my friend. I think JC will improve on a lot next year just like he has this year.

They have a frickin' 12th man flag!!

ProBowl prediction: Roy Williams takes out the AFC punter, Oakland's Shane Lechler (whoever he was). After the game, Mr. Lechler has a nasty bruise on his chest ... in the shape of Sean Taylor's face mask.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/players/playerpage/235207

weren't we "glad" that the Redskins didn't bite on Davis and that idiot Jerry Jones threw his money away to get this tub of lard?

Wait, he made the probowl? Oops.

Ken Hamlin was named the starter to the Pro Bowl team.

Balanced the checkbook the other day...$2120.21

Got to work today...parked the car...then noticed I was in space #21.

JC's next start...his 21st.

Karma, like such as.

ProBowl prediction: Roy Williams takes out the AFC punter, Oakland's Shane Lechler (whoever he was). After the game, Mr. Lechler has a nasty bruise on his chest ... in the shape of Sean Taylor's face mask.

Posted by: dcsween | January 3, 2008 03:10 PM

This woudl require him to be in the correct position and or be fast.

weren't we "glad" that the Redskins didn't bite on Davis and that idiot Jerry Jones threw his money away to get this tub of lard?

Wait, he made the probowl? Oops.

So did every other trash cowboy lineman. Davis didn't look so great when he was getting manhandled by griff did he? when you have 86 weapons to get the ball out to that quick how often do you really need to block? He couldn't block in ZOna why do you think he can now? Becaues cowboys fags got on their cell phones and voted him in?

Now it's:
Waaaaah! Mike Sellars said we pump in noise! Waaaahhhhh! Now we're all gonna yell at him! They're the one's who pump in noise! Waaaahhh. Now we're going to be even louder! Just ask the Giants! We'll show 'em! Boo hoo hoo. We're the greatest fans in the world!

By the way, I am not "booredskinhoo" or koolaide boy.....just learning to talk like them/him

4-12, you drive to a place of work? I thought you were some computer-generated form of artificial intelligence, like Max Headroom or Wintermute. That's my only explanation for the way you find those weblinks to all things bizarre and irritatingly relevant.

They have cheer cards? That's just precious.

Okay, I haven't been BMGO lately (xmas was a very fruitful bloggin time for me), but here's my "what if" crazy conspiracy theory that will surely make me some enemies up here... forgive me if some other crazy thought this one up:

The Redskins are 6-7 going into the Bears game and after 4 straight losses (all within 8 points or less)the powers that be give Jason Campbell two option: either fake an injury in the game or be benched. Dislocated knee cap, out for a convenient 4 -6 weeks. Al gets his man in at QB and cracks open the playbook, Manboobs doesn't have to deal with a short field and sputtering drives, Joe Gibbs gets to look like a super smart coach again and Daniel Snyder provides his fans with more opportunities to buy merchandise. Win-win-win situation, Redskins are in the playoffs everyone is happy and no one knows the better. Except Dorf.

Knee Gate!

ProBowl prediction: Roy Williams takes out the AFC punter, Oakland's Shane Lechler (whoever he was). After the game, Mr. Lechler has a nasty bruise on his chest ... in the shape of Sean Taylor's face mask.

Posted by: dcsween | January 3, 2008 03:10 PM

This would require him to be in the correct position and or be fast. -- sam3

>>>>> or to be possessed by the spirit of the only player ever to make any relevant and/or memorable play ever in the Pro Bowl.

do wha?? jspace?

Roy Williams sucks! If he can't horse collar he can't tackle. The only reason he's in the pro bowl is because too many idiots in Dallas own computers.

Bellichek gets the AP Coach of the Year award.

In other news, the league has destroyed potentially incriminating videotape of 47 writers associated with the Associated Press.

I saw a link on the Seattle Post-Intellegencer News, or whatever it is, site to a "printable cheer card." I think Starbucks gives them out if you get a soy frappuccino and a scone, too.

4-12, don't look now, but if you turn around your nickname it's 21-4, which would be a really great record over a season and a half!

harrissa,

correction: too many idiots that live in Virginia and have never been anywhere near Texas that like Dallas own computers.

From Jasno's chat: "Obviously, the Seahawks essentially live in the rain 350 days a year, so they are more used to playing in it, I suppose."

Actually, New York gets more rain each year than Seattle. It's just that out here, we get most of it compressed into about half the year.

Summer and early fall out here usually make up for the wet weather. 80s, blue skies, and humidity down in the 30% range.

'bizarre and irritatingly relevant.'

Sween- That's what Mrs. Headroom calls me.

Dorf I stand corrected! I do see WAY too many Dallas flags around these areas. These people just weren't raised right...

peeb peeb

Dorf -

Lay off the spiked egg nog. It's starting to seriously affect you.

I think its funny that roy williams got the most votes for the probowl for any strong saftey but due to coaches and players votes he didnt get in except as an alternate. And F the shehawks, they think they have the best team around yet went 10-6 on the easiest schdeule in the league. Good job pointing out great stats for their def. when all they play are bums 49ers probubly the worst offense in the league, rams who didnt win a game until midway through the season, and the cardnials who had a 1 armed qb for most of the season.

What I hope Campbell learns as much as anything (beyond quicker reads and how to tuck a ball in when you're getting chased or hit) is touch. Did you all read the comment of (I think it was) Randle-El, not knocking JC at all, but noting that Collins' passes are just nice, easy things to catch. Campbell has a habit of throwing everything on a rope--in part because he waits so long to release it. And it was Cooley who said, right after the Chicago win, that with Collins you come out of your route and, boom, the ball is just there, gently dropping into your hands. On another point, it was Portis who observed that Campbell tends to only throw to the check down guy when he's surrounded by 3-4 defenders (he didn't see fit to point out that he dropped these balls often enough that JC wouldn't have wanted to go there anyway). So it's not just fans who are noticing the difference and room for growth.

(Unsolicited) predictions? Collins starts the remainder of the year.

Gibbs signs two year extension. And going into next year, Gibbs the Diplomat proceeds as follows: he declares open competition going into OTAs and camp (at least in part to re-sign Collins), points out that if Campbell got into this business not to have his feelings hurt or his confidence shaken by have performance based standards, he's come to the wrong place (then he'll say, 'and I know Jason feels exactly the same way'; pan over to JC with unamused expression on his face; JC and TC trade off starts in pre-season (Campbell goes first), and if Campbell performs equally or nearly well, by the third game he "wins" the starting job going into the fall. Collins is now in place, Campbell has been given proper motivation to emulate what Collins does well AND gets to feel like he won the job fair and square. In private (and to the press as well), Collins is told, "stay ready, because you've already seen that any minute your number could be called, and we might need to ride you the whole way. (Compare: Doug Williams v. Jay Schroeder). Remember: all in all, for Gibbs, a qb controversy is "a good problem." No way in the world Collins goes anywhere else to learn a new system; his best shot at starting is here with the periodically leaky offensive line that threatens to take down JC every sixth game, and JC does not appear to be a "never miss a start" kind of qb.

Conclusion: Gibbs has his cake and eats it, too.

Beepity

The idea that we should get rid of Collins next year for the good of Jason Campbell's development is absurd. Do you have any idea how many NFL quarterbacks went down this year with injuries? Collins is a huge asset to the team, which he is proving even now. I'm sure the Skins will do everything possible to keep him on the roster next year, which is the smart move. Campbell will almost certainly be the starter next year, barring another injury or some kind of psychic meltdown. But Collins will be the team's insurance policy that one bad hit won't tank the 2008 season.

Go Todd!!!

Actually, New York gets more rain each year than Seattle. It's just that out here, we get most of it compressed into about half the year.

Summer and early fall out here usually make up for the wet weather. 80s, blue skies, and humidity down in the 30% range.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 3, 2008 03:32 PM
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Freak,

Funny, I thought that was the only one who cited that fact. In fact, I was just back East, last week for the holidays, and had more than a few relatives/friends ask me how I could live out where it "rained all the time".

I used that NYC rain fact as my rejoinder and most were stunned. One Uncle needed me to go to Weather.com to prove it to him and then didn't believe it when I did.

**Now back to your regular RI Chatter**

Enough of this 12th man stuff. The Redskins have the ultimate 12th man and he is on the spiritual level (21).

Jason has posted a new thread. This one is finished. Do not post here anymore.

Please proceed to the new thread.

Thank you.

just made my way through these posts. here are a few things...
1. Collins is the hot QB. He's a system QB. The playcalling and execution has been better by his supporting cast. The coaches go with that momentum and have opened up the playbook as a result of the success.
2. The O-line is playing better and there is a balance on offense.
3. Portis is running the ball and moving the chains.
4. Moss is right. Randel-El is healthy and Caldwell is a more athletic #3 WR receiving-wise than Thrash or McCardell.
5. Jason is the starter next season. PERIOD! Another offseason under his belt and the ability to have a healthy O-line, Portis, Moss and Cooley will equate to more scoring.
6. Seattle is one dimensional. They have no running game since Hutchinson left for Minnesota (Guess what contributed to A Peterson's ROY award?)
7. Hasselbeck is also a system QB. We have to smack him in the mouth and disrupt timing.
8. The 12th man can/will be neutralized.
9. Holmgren looks like that dog on the Foghorn Leghorn Cartoon where he and the wolf punch the clock at the top of the hill before going to protect/kill the sheep.
10. Prediction.....Skins 31 Hawks 16.

I haven't read all the posts but don't forget, all of the Skins skill players got healthy Bears week. That being said, fear The Todd through Feb. Then we ride with JC in '08.
HTTR

I'm with Barno...so of you people have to be crazy to consider trading JC. He's be snacthed up before I can finish this post. WHERE'S YOUR PATIENCE? The Redskins are finally committing to developing players and you want him yanked. For those of you that have ever played sports, there's only one question...who gives you the best chance to win? Right now, it's Collins, but this is a different team under Collins. Campbell did not have a gelled O-line, pass protection, a healthy Moss and Randel-El, and coaches with balls.

Todd Collins also only has 20 starts just like Campbell and 0 in Saunders' offense prior to this year. Rich Gannon played lights out at Todd's age. Todd had a 145 passer rating at Michigan and holds the school record for highest completion percentage(70% +). Those are better numbers than the other Michigan QB in Boston had.

Campbell finished last year 2-5 and is 1-5 to end this year. Those are not "franchise qb" numbers. Franchise QB's win Madden awards on Sunday Night Football, they win must games in hostile environments to take their team to the playoffs and they win NFC player of the month awards.

This isn't even a question, as far as I'm concerned. It's two phases.

1) Collin plays the post season, barring injury, collapse, or runaway score where soup can get some reps in.

2) Next year, Collins and Saunders are joined at the hip. Collins goes wherever Saunders is. If he's here, as he should be, Collins will be here.

2a) Then, no matter what they SAY, it's a competition in pre-season. If they play at the same level, it's Soup. If it's even close, it's Soup. But if Collins continues at this level, and Soup goes back to throwing late picks and can't hit the deep ball, they're going to let him simmer a bit more and let Todd try to bring in some "W"s in the mean time.

"i just think it's a bit naive to overlook the much improved performances of players like heyer, fabini, portis, moss, and the entire defense over the last four weeks (and subsequently deem that Todd Collins starting over JC is the sole reason behind the win streak)."

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Isn't it amazing how much better receivers "play" when they get the ball on time and in stride? Isn't it amazing how much better the lineman are when they don't have to hold their blocks as long due to the QB's quick release? Isn't it amazing how much better running backs run when defenses have to honor the pass and can't stack the box?

Of course all of this miraculously happened 4 weeks ago because everyone was suddenly healthy, motivated and just flat out playing harder. It had NOTHING to do with the QB change. Not a thing. Pure coincidence.

JC has not shown that he is the answer...yet. TC so far has shown he has what it takes to get the job done. What do you think our record this year would have been if TC had been involved from Day 1? 9-7? It's about W's and L's. When JC is ready, he will TAKE the job. He has done nothing to earn it other than having "physical gifts" and being drafted highly.

Nate/Puffy and the rest of the crew,

I will indeed be in Seattle tomorrow evening with a solid crew of diehards. Will try my best to make it to the festivities, but might not be possible given that most of us get in pretty late. Will try though.

HAIL!

Prediction:

Redskins 20 Seattle 17

Jasno didn't follow through on one very important point: Confidence.

Former All-Pro defensive back, Beasley Reese once told me that nothing can ruin a quarterback like losing his confidence and once the confidence is ruined athletic ability won't mean squat, he's through.

Campbell was losing his confidence from those blown throws and interceptions in the clutch. He's not comfortable enough with the offense to run it cleanly and Saunders was cutting the playbook to accommodate him. You put him back in the playoffs and we need a late game drive or score and he screws the pooch yet again... we'll be lucky if he ever recovers.

Beasley made that comment when talking about Jay Schroeder when he was with the Skins. He said, "They destroyed that quarterback's confidence and he'll never recover." He was right and I'd hate to see that happen to Campbell by forcing him into a playoff situation for which he's proven he's nowhere near ready.

Stick with Collins for the rest of the playoffs.

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