First......Drink!!

Spags to Win, Mooch to Place & Facile to Show

SNYDER HAS NEVER BEEN A D-HC GUY, I don't see it happening.

i think that Steve Mariucci will do a good job here but i think they needed to hire gw for a year if it didnt work out for him then dan would have cowher next year bad move dan

I'd be reluctant to base any opinion on the outcome of one game. It's not like Redskins will have to play the Patriots twice a year. It was the only game where we were blown out. So just because the Giants win the SB is not enough for me to elevant the Spaniel past all the other candidates. There have to be other reasons.

I think Snyder first needs to make a decision: does he go with a Defensive-Minded (Meeks/Spaniel) or Offensive-Minded (Fassel/Mooch). once he's done that, then he needs to decide. Trying to sort through all 4 would be a bit much.

I agree with alex35332: Snyder is more likely to go with an offensive guy. probably because a) he wants the focus to be the improvement of #17, b) the defense has been stout for 3 of the past 4 years, and c) he knows and trusts Greg Blatche. He's taking a chance on Jim Zorn and might want a proven offensive coach above him.

If it's between Fassel and Mooch, i hope he goes with Mooch.

Mooch or the New England Kid.

To the jockey who is riding Mooch -

GET THE WHIP OUT!!!!

My prediction:

Win: Fassel
Place: Mariucci
Show: Meeks

My hope:

Win: McDaniels
Place: Mariucci
Show: Meeks
Nowhere near a professional football team again: Fassel or anyone who has ever coached with the Dallas Cowboys

Hire Mariucci.

Please Dan -- NO FOSSIL!!!

Anyone making any good ("foolish") props bets at the Super Bowl?

....and it's Mooch and Fassel in front coming into the home straight, and.....oops there goes Fassel!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spjmcJ-Z7Aw&feature=related

Which outcome would satisfy everyone? Mariucci...

Which outcome would piss everyone off?
Fassel...

Fassel it is!

Geeze! It's great to compare the merits of these coaches, but lets look at what they see as they interview.

Danny-Boy has already hired a new staff of offensive and defensive coordinators, etc. So the new guy doesn't even get to pick his own coaching team?

It mystifies me as to why any coach worth more than a sack of dirt would be willing to buy into a situation like that.

The mess continues. It just seems like we are being set up for more years when it is really hard to be a Skins fan.

Mariucci is the only one of the four that doesn't turn my stomach. Meeks and Spagnuolo don't have the experience yet and Fassel just doesn't fit. The fact that he has tried and failed to get the HC job at a lot of other spots and failed plus the whole Ravens deal (although he may have been a Billick scapegoat) just doesn't sit well.

Maybe I like Mooch because I am one of the lucky ones with NFL Network and have had a chance to get to "know" him. He does bring a level of credibility (if we ignore the stint with the Lions) and would be a good thing for JC.

Then again, this is Snyder...so who knows?!!

for what its worth...which is obviously as much as we pay to post on the blog:

My personal HC rankings:

1. Meeks
2. Mooch
3. Spags
4. Craig T Nelson's character from the sitcom Coach.
5. Movie Coach on Friday Night Lights
6. TV Coach from Friday Night Lights
7. Bubba Tyler
8. New Coach of the Caps
9. Doug Jarvis
10. Coach Carter
11. Fassel

Oh I would also say that we should look to go for Mooch and a ton of grooming candidates young prospect coach types

pdiddy:

my fave bet is an over/under on how may times that tool box joe buck will mention "Peyton Manning". Can be either in mistake or gratuitous mentions of peyton and the family/bro thing.

CL - You forgot the Rock from Gridiron Gang, that guys made heroes out of those kids, imagine what he could do for someone like Receiver, The!

I like the TV Coach from FNL better than the movie coach and Craig T. Nelson. I think he might actually beat out Meeks and Mooch for me. Spags sounds like he's a fancy pasta I've never heard of. I'm on a low carb/high booze diet, so I'll pass on him.

What's the biggest victory in Superbowl history? I wonder what odds I could get on that record being broken.

GRIMM GRIMM GRIMM - let's not forget that he hangs out in AZ these days, right?

And let's not forget Al Pacino from Any Given Sunday!

In recent RI style:

"P diddy what are you an idiot? You must be the boyfriend of the TV FNL coach. butt buddies. You must be a liberal loser pascifist who has never watched a game of football. Its so obvious that the movie version of the coach on FNL is more qualified to run sammy baugh's version of the WCO. If vindan hires the wrong guy I hope you snyder and JC crash in the andes and your forced to live off Snyder's thigh to survive. Your a TV media apologist who should either log off your mom's computer or move to Dubai where they put up with your type of moron"

And Gene Hackman (as pseudo Gibbs I) from the replacements.

And Greg Kaneer as Vermiel from Invincible

CL, that's just way out of line!!! Since when do they put up with that type of moron in Dubai???

No way that can be the real CL.

actually, parody aside...i think I agree with diddy......def TV FNL coach over movie....

actually b/c I am a NYC elitist intellectual snob I like the book FNL Coach the best.....

it is the real me! Playing a parody character in the "voice" of how some people have been posting lately!

Simply in satire, you know pdiddy is my dawg!

I'm getting a migraine by all this head coach carousel. Snyder is interviewing everyone on the face of the earth. Geez! First it was Jim Fossil. Then they brought in Meeks. Now Mariucci? Who is next? John
Madden and Bill Walsh? How about some P.E
teachers @ Marshall High School. Maybe Joe Gibbs can coach 'em up a bit.

from PFT:

RAMS GET SAUNDERS

The St. Louis Rams have hired Al Saunders to serve as offensive coordinator. Per media reports, he signed a three-year deal.

The move could prompt Rams fans to ponder a possible return of the "Greatest Show on Turf," since Saunders was receivers coach in St. Louis in 1999 and 2000.

He became the Chiefs' offensive coordinator in 2001 when former Rams coach Dick Vermeil emerged from a one-year retirement to take over the job in Kansas City.

After Vermeil retired, Saunders accepted the position of "assistant head coach-offense" with the Redskins. His performance there, however, didn't have the same impact as in Kansas City.

The real shame here is that the dynamic duo fell behind on the HC search, then panicked and decided to hire the staff in lieu of the HC.

They felt pressured to do something. In doing that though, they devalued the HC position and painted themselves into a corner with respect to the quality of HC candidate that they will eventually hire.

It's just so transparently naive.

look at me stealing 4th's thunder!

from PFT:

WILLIAMS INTERVIEWS WITH JAGS

Former Redskins defensive coordinator Gregg Williams became a head coach in Buffalo based on his performance as defensive coordinator of the Tennessee Titans.

Now, Williams could be taking that same position with one of the Titans' biggest rivals.

According to the Florida Times-Union, Williams interviewed with the Jaguars on Tuesday for the position created when defensive coordinator Mike Smith was hired to become the new head coach of the Falcons.

"Gregg was here," Del Rio said. "I will provide more info once the staff is completed."

The Times-Union points out that Jacksonville linebackers coach Mark Duffner could be promoted. If not, Williams could get the job.

Williams recently was fired by the Redskins after multiple interviews for the head-coaching job there resulted in no offer to replace Joe Gibbs.

i broke the blog....sorry!

The defense is set. Blache is the only link to continuity, and he's going to be a very good DC. Snyder is not hiring a defensive-minded coach. Besides, he's had too many years of sputtering offense.

I think if he was going to hire Fassel, he'd have done it. Same with Williams in the early going.

Now, Mooch's contract with Detroit is only expiring today or tomorrow. That would fully explain why he hasn't been (publicly) interviewed until now, and why his top choice assistants were already scooped up.

It's also entirely possible that Snyder is wisely using the time he has available to talk to a lot of people, gain football knowledge at a minimum, but be sure of his decision as well.

Mooch would be a great fit not only for the field, but also it seems like his personality would mesh well with the front office and Snyder himself. Considering the contract date, it could have been Snyder's pick from day one, and the rest of this process has been thumb twiddling to avoid giving Detroit any due.

And won't you Snyder haters owe an apology if there's actually been a method to all of this madness.

I have this little desk calender, and there is a little quote on the bottom of each page, usually something clever, something that makes you think. I don't normally pay too much attention to them, I just generally flip them as each day goes by, but today, the quote caught my eye -

"I have opinions of my own - strong opinions - but I don't always agree with them." - George Bush

We need Grimm!!!!! Dan Snyder is the biggest bag of bull I've ever seen!!!! He has made a mockery of our team. Mooch wouldn't be bad but fassel he's a bum & if they hire him we will lose every game played. I've been a skins fan for 40 years and I just can't believe it our team being throwed around like this we need to stick with what we have and get a couple of players and we are there.

As was mentioned numerous times, the defense will stay solid I believe with Blache. Mooch/Zorn will solidify the offense in time, so Mooch it is.

Doesn't Mariucci just roll off your tounge? It's like the Presidency. Who do you want to look at, and listen to for the next four years? Mooch! Mooch!

I love the fact that J La mentions how Snyder's minions troll message boards to see fans reactions.

It will probably be Mooch because he seems to be the one that the fans don't complain about as much.

He should have kept Willams and Saunders to see how they would work out and if it didn't work, he could just blow up the team and get cowher next year. But then again Danny needs to tinker.

By the way, get rid of Larry Michael

No bout adoubt it. . .GRIMM, GRIMM, GRIMM.

But I digress. Are any of these guys better than Gregg Williams would have been? NO!

RedskinNation, keep the heat on. YOUR OPINIONS MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IF THEY DID NOT, FOSSIL WOULD ALREADY BE THE COACH.

GRIMM, GRIMM. The only way to keep some semblance of peace for Synder is to bring in a TRUE Redskin--an original Hog--arguably (no offense to Stark) THE HEAD HOG. Go RUSS!!!

Getting rid of Larry Michael is way too sensible for this organization.

Anything more on that cryptic comment about Grimm's supposed "personal" issues being a hindrance for HC consideration?

Probably no chance anyway, as Redskin nostalgia or respect for "true Redskins" never has really true currency in the organization post 1991, only the fans. Remember Skins took a dump on Monk at the end, BMitch got the boot, Frank Herzog is fired, and even unequivocal Redskin players and high producers like Smooty and Pierce were let go for a few bucks (under Joe Gibbs' watch I'd add. I'd love to see the franchise operate like our history, players, style, and unwavering fan base mean something, but since JKC passed, it's not been our mark.

Mooch would be a great fit not only for the field, but also it seems like his personality would mesh well with the front office and Snyder himself.

>>> So Mooch can stick his head way up dans ....

And won't you Snyder haters owe an apology if there's actually been a method to all of this madness.

>>> It is not so much hate as white hot rage. When we haters cool down it will be contempt. (I don't mean to speak for every one)

>>>> Can you give a 'theory' as to what that method is or is Dan to smart for all of US. Like Rudies rope-a-dope in the primaries.

I ws thinking that just maybe...this is all a PR front for the last week and a 1/2...Iof course don't know i'm not there in the office but it seems that the staff that has been hired may have already been picked out by the next HC. Who knows ...the mooch could have handed Dan a list two weeks ago.

Ooooh! Ooooh! Gene Hackman from "Hoosiers"!

The continuity that Dan Snyder talked about was Larry Michael and Vinny Cerato......Larry Michael for Head Coach

PR stands for public relations.

Does what happened in the last week seem like an effort to improve public relations.

Can you ever think of a time that the HC was not rolled out for weeks while fans went crazy and the staff was selected? I can't? That makes the Owner look stupid, the players and fans look at the HC like a tool.

If you are correct it is even worse then we thought. Many more decisions are going to be made this year. God help us poor skins fans. Maybe Snyder is like the Gipper. He got a coach then forgot the next day.

Now if Larry Michael was the head coach then someone who could see it was 3rd and 1 could actually call the game. On the otherhand the redskins would be out of challenges by the end of the first quarter.

The most interesting part of this article for me is this quote and it's a real shame that Jason doesn't explain how he is "so sure."

"I am sure his people have monitored blogs, message boards and talk radio to gauge support for Mariucci since the "Something TO Chew On" post went up."

Jason why are you sure?

piovino, come on now. No way a basketball coach can run the WCO.

The most interesting part of this article for me is this quote and it's a real shame that Jason doesn't explain how he is "so sure."

Jason why are you sure?

Posted by: nativedc

Because his F tools have been here all week. All companies look at the PR when things go south. Larry Michael who works for Snyder reads ES. He has a section on the his show when he reads ES. Any other reasons needed.

OMG You can't be real.

Oh yes ES (that is a fan sight) is on Dans network.

I am going to explode now.

Just saw "No Country for Old Men".

Now, I am an effete elitist snob with a penchant for great tequila, fine wine, and finer champagne. I like truffle oil, but can tell when there's too much in a dish. I enjoy fast cars designed by Italians with one word names and clothes made by designers whose names sound like an unusual pasta. I like women who know how to hold and sip from a champagne glass and whose bra straps and panty lines never show. I fashion myself a "Goldwater Republican", which is an apologist's way of saying I'm a Democrat. I read. I fly first class and turn my nose down at my fellow passengers at the skinny end of the plane who dare bring their children up front with them.

But I do not understand this movie. I may never understand this movie. Indeed, I may never understand a Cormac McCarthy book in my entire lifetime.

I'm going to need Cliff's Notes for this flick.

I like Puppies :)

maybe pdiddy can help us here, and I am not defending snyder but rather Janso....but wouldn't be smart of snyder to monitor "new media" fan outlets.....so is that ludricus for Janso to suggest he does???

diddy,

dont forget diagraming offensive football plays via DVR on that list...

haven't seen that movie yet, but I did Cormac's The Road (pre Oprah endorsement by the way)did you not like that one?

Mul -

"So Mooch can stick his head way up dans ...."

So they can get along. Or would you rather a coach who doesn't know how to talk to the owner and the front office in a way that they can actually have a friendly conversation.

"It is not so much hate as white hot rage. When we haters cool down it will be contempt. (I don't mean to speak for every one)"

If you want to hate Snyder, you're gonna. He could bring Gibbs back (oh, wait, he did) and you're still going to hate him. Get over it.

"Can you give a 'theory' as to what that method is or is Dan to smart for all of US. Like Rudies rope-a-dope in the primaries."

The method is that Detroit owns Mooch's contract. If Snyder talks to him before today or tomorrow, he has to go through the Lions and jump through all sorts of hoops. But as of tomorrow, Mooch can talk to whomever he wants and he's free to make deals.

Dude, don't let logic and rational thought get in the way of your hatred.

I am sure Snyder does. I would go another step and suggest that Snyder has people who make posts for him on this site and extremeskins.

I saw some posts on extremeskins that had to be written by Snyder's wife or best friend.

"I then asked Zimmerman about the upcoming Pro Football Hall of Fame selection meeting, which is on the day before the Super Bowl. Zimmerman is one of the selectors, and he recently changed his mind about former Redskins receiver Art Monk, saying that after years of being the most vocal opponent of Monk's enshrinement, he will now vote for Monk. So what changed his mind?

"I figured, just put him the f--- in already," Zimmerman told me. "I'm tired of being the a--hole."
"

Wow....Just Wow....

Snyder has Larry Michael monitoring this blog right now

Of course "Mr." Snyder's minions are reading the blog and ES and ESPN and on and on. It's called a "PR Coverage Report" (with or without the associated cover sheet). Any time you make a big decision that involves media coverage, your PR Agency will pull together a coverage report for you. All coverage reports in this day and age include summaries of blog activity, including those blogs run by everyday fans/customers and not simply those written by members of the mainstream media.

My PR Agency used to assign a numeric scale from 1 to 5 for favorability to my message (1 being lowest) as well as a separate numeric scale from 1 to 5 for "pickup" of the message (how well the media outlet/blog carried my message, independent of any editorializing).

It's safe to say that the concept of hiring Jim Fassel probably generated an average score of 1 or 2 for both dimensions.

thanks 4th.....

f dr. z

Posters, lurkers and spies:

This is, of course, out of our hands.

VinnyDAN has appointed himself GM and has decided, either through a master plan or through FUBAR gone mad, to put his team together Bass Ackwards.

Do I think it will work? No - I think if we did get close VinnyDAN would kill it going for the quick fix. But the only thing VinnyDAN have to do to prove us all wrong is WIN.

Win a superbowl with Bass Ackwards bunch, and we all shut up.

At this point, anything less is failure. And the worst kind of failure, the one where everyone says you are doing it the wrong way, you say you know better, and you end up dead wrong.

That is where I think we are going.

Now prove me wrong.

4th, that is the best news 'Skins fans have heard in WEEKS.

Anyone but Mooch. He is the West Coast offense version of Norv Turner. Mooch's teams never have any fire or intensity.

look at me stealing 4th's thunder!

.................

Posted by: chrislarry | January 30, 2008 07:32 PM

Good one. Meeks hijacked the Williams ship I was driving, so any Williams news is completely meaningless to me. Meeks is our Capt'n now.....

Not sure if anyone covered it up here, but the Cowboys rehired Dave Campo. I wish I had a witty something or other to say about it, but I'm out of snarky comments today.

my monk theory:

harry carson was the guy that caused fights/debates. It was all LT/Parcells/was on bad teams...blah blah...

he finally got in, and monk took over that "guy" who these 46 writers had to argue about and keep their "controversy" relevant.

4th, where is that Dr. Z quote from?

hahahahaha

re: "look at me stealing 4th's thunder!"

i didnt mean williams i meant the PFT updates!

What are the chances of Grimm/Monk/Green making it in this year? If that happened, I would def be in Canton.

BTW, rewind 12 months ago. Remember we were planning our trip to Canton last year? That was a bummer. Let's not jinx it this year again........

CL, "The Road" didn't pass my 50 Page Test (subtract your age from the number 50, that's the minimum number of pages you must read before giving up on a book. It also means that once you turn 50, you're entitled to judge a book by its cover.)

nothing snarky??????? c'mon...a nation turns its humor deprived eyes to you!

If the HOF inducts Monk and Green (Grimm is doubtful), I'd bet dollars to donuts that one of the teams in the HOF Game is the 'Skins. Then you'd get an opportunity to go to Canton and cheer on your heroes, then go to the game and boo Fassel.

Dude, don't let logic and rational thought get in the way of your hatred.

Posted by: jvwright

Oh now I understand my bad everyone. The lions would not allow us to talk to Mooch, without going through hoops, even though his does not work for them and is out of his contract next year (Matt Million why do you do this to Danny boy).

I did not know that. It is all very logical.

I am just mad to be mad. Jla why do you make us be mean to Snyder.

I'm trying too hard. It's like when you're drunk and trying to pick up a (sober) chick. Maybe I should go and get drunk.

really? i dug the road, stayed up all night...but i am a sucks for post apocolypse type stuff....even though i can't spell it...

Saunders was out of a job for 5 full days! I can't wait for the Rams Redskins game next season. Good for Al! Too bad for the skins and the new Zorn system.

I will never forgive JLaC for raping my childhood and making me hate the owner of the 'Skins. He's dead to me.

But not this blog.

I love this blog.

I also love cheese.

I thought so Cl. But, that was the reason I didn't post it.

F GW. He's gonna be coaching for someone else. See how short minded us fans are???

Diddy - I got it from JustMe http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/01/30/dr-z-on-art-monk-s-hall-of-fame-chances-just-put-him-the-f

Is anyone else watching the rerun SBs on NFLN? I'm loving it......

"No more drugs ... for THAT man."

Posted by: FlimFlam | January 30, 2008 04:33 PM

Excellent line, excellent film!

It was Jla who got Jeff George on the Redskins.

He also manufactured the ice cream story.

i will say right now if we get a hall of fame hat trick...i am there...i can say that with full confidence b/c...its not happenin...

and i think grimm should totally get in...but again not holding my breath...

My PR Agency used to assign a numeric scale from 1 to 5 for favorability to my message (1 being lowest) as well as a separate numeric scale from 1 to 5 for "pickup" of the message (how well the media outlet/blog carried my message, independent of any editorializing).

Posted by: PDiddy |

You are 'supper smart.' I thought everyone on this blog was a dumb as me and Cl.

Grimm should get in because someone from The Hogs has to be in the HOF. That's one of the most well-marketed and recognizable groups in the NFL, to say nothing of one of the most dominating at times. I don't think anyone else but Grimm from that group rates high enough to be in Canton, so he should go in to represent them all. I don't think it will be this year, however.

Monk should have been in 2-3 years ago, and if Darrell Green's not a first-ballot Hall of Famer, I don't know who is.

if we can bring back people from the dead...my vote is Herb Brooks!!!!

and if not...then Kurt Russel...he played herbie in the movie Miracle...

I'm actually quite supper smart. For example, right now I'm debating between a steak joint and a Mexican joint. I'm using all of my pre-booze brain cells to do it, and I just blew out the light in my home office doing so.

Kurt Russell is not dead. He just acts that way.

On the comcast show I saw you
And then you slipped away
Playoff dream crushed I called you
And turned to hear you say
If only for today
I'm staying on

You took my Gibbs away
You took my Gibbs away

Watching every motion
In this foolish Saunders game
Haunted by the notion
Our o-line's going down in flames
Punting and returning
To some special teams design
Watching in slow motion
As you turn my way and say

You took my Gibbs away
You took my Gibbs away

Some people doubt that this is all part of some sort of master plan. Isn't it obvious? The plan is:
Damn, Joe quit. What do we do now Vinny? Well that Fassel guy was pretty nice last time. I guess we gotta interview Greg. A few times. But Jim is our guy. Let's float his name out there. Test the waters. Holy crap! They hate him. Almost as much as us. Let's deny it. We can waste another day of that Meeks guy's life. Then find some new guys. We'll fly around in the jet. See what people are saying. What about Mooch? He was mean to me in San Francisco. Now you can be mean to him. What about that Spaghetti guy on the Giants? Or Belichick's son. He's young, you could boss him. Let's hit Arizona hard. Take in the spectacle. We'll interview anyone who will talk to us. Every name out there. Except Marty. Sure Vinny. Then we'll see what happens. Comb the message boards see who's hot. Then we can make the big announcement after the Super Bowl. The Fassel guy? Of course. F 'em.

Fassel gets hired = I puke. It reeks of Norvell Part Deux. I look at Fassel, I see the Giants. Not good, Danny. Not good.

It's got to be Mooch or McDaniels at this point. Spags isn't going to come here and have Blache and Co. forced upon him. Same goes with Meeks. But McDaniels doesn't have the connections to bring in his own staff, so Zorn and Co. could work.

In the end, I maintain that it's Mooch.

The way Danny has this thing set up - Zorn running the offense, Blache the defense - he clearly is looking for a Head Coach to fill the general oversight role that Gibbs had. Mooch is perfect for that. He's charismatic. He's a "moral leader." He can set the vision and let Zorn and Blache do their thing.

"Retire Snyder's old school regime!

My name is Shan Shariff and I am the Sports Director and host of "New School" airing on Delmarva's ESPN Radio 1240 in Cambridge, MD. On Thursday, January 31st, I am taking my show out to Redskins Park to voice YOUR opinions about the mismanagement and deceitful actions we have seen this offseason. From 1-4pm, you are invited to speak your mind on the air about this absurd debacle. If Thursday is a success, we will continue throughout the entire week so that the voice of Redskin nation can be heard.

These are some of the common thoughts I have read over the past month from Redskin fans who are disgusted with the recent frustrating and heart-breaking decisions of the Dan Snyder regime.

"I've been a fan for 20 years, but today I don't want to be a fan anymore. The only problem is that I don't know how to root for another team."

"The fans deserve better. We spend our hard earned money on merchandise, tickets, and parking all of that goes straight to Mr. Snyder's pocket. We deserve some stability. We shouldn't have to start trembling in fear every offseason because some owner wants to play fantasy football."

"After the most tragic and difficult season in Redskins team history, the ownership of the team consciously decided to smear the defensive coach of the team by spreading lies about him through the media."

"Today is a sad day in Redskins history."

Joe Gibbs worked too hard to build a foundation for the future. If Dan Snyder is intent on destroying that, it will not go unnoticed.

"

http://www.shanshariff.com./

Not sure if anyone covered it up here, but the Cowboys rehired Dave Campo. I wish I had a witty something or other to say about it, but I'm out of snarky comments today.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 30, 2008 10:39 PM

See, we're not afraid of creating a Super Bowl distraction by announcing a major coaching hire.

wait how can a font host a radio show?

Is that Shan Shariff of Shan Shariff and the Pharaohs?

no, no, cL -- that's Stan serif.

Campo has been hired to hold onto the ball of extra skin in the back of Jerrah Jones' head.

wasn't he in laurence of arabia?....oh right that was omar sharif

You know, to make him look good at the Super Bowl, where he'll be watching from a box high above the stadium instead of leaning onto the field two steps away from Porky Phillips!

Not sure if anyone covered it up here, but the Cowboys rehired Dave Campo. I wish I had a witty something or other to say about it, but I'm out of snarky comments today.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 30, 2008 10:39 PM

See, we're not afraid of creating a Super Bowl distraction by announcing a major coaching hire.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 30, 2008 11:16 PM

SMACK (Why put the 1 at the end??) - You guys also hired Dom Capers. Sometimes I think Snyder and Jones are competing against each other too much...

smack, if you were wade phillips wouldnt you find it weird all tour cordinators were picked by garrett...

My bad. Capers is talking to the Cowboys. Not yet hired....

How come there's no support for Patches O'Houllihan from Dodgeball?

I thought all of you would be 110% behind pushing Receiver, The into 70+ mph beltway traffic after saying "If you can dodge traffic, then you can dodge tacklers"

Adam

The way that ownership has reacted to Joe Gibbs retirement in the past three weeks strongly suggests that Joe Gibbs left the Redskins because he realized it was POINTLESS TO CONTINUE. Other than beg him to stick around, Dan and Vinny are not people whose leadership and presence seem to make anybody want to do anything for them.

Has anyone wondered what the past 4 years would have been like with Joe Gibbs as HC and a different owner and no Vinny?

I feel really terrible for the players, but anyone who comes here to coach is doomed to fail as long as Dan Snyder and Vinny are here.

After almost 40 years as a Redskin Fan I will be pulling for Al and Gregg to come back here with their new teams and beat the crap out of the Skins.

I never thought I'd say this, but if Gregg gets hired by the Cowboys I will pull for them to beat the SKINS.

Wayne Fontes had a radio show.

BTW, I'm at a bar. It's a cold, wet, miserable night in Seattle. All the mountain passes are closed so I can't go boarding. No one else is out (where do they all go???) and I'm the only one here. Good thing I brought my laptop. Time to drink.

I could recommend a nice Merlot, but I'd have to go downstairs to read what it was.
Besides, it's not Patrón...

Hey, MAJOR PROPS to Jasno for spotting the Mariucci needle in a Snyratto haystick.

Monk should have been in ages ago. Seriously. Everyone says he was unselfish, did all the little things. A great blocker, led by example, made smart plays. Went over the middle. Made big plays. Was excellent in the postseason. Won championships. Oh yeah, and the unselfish guy set major some major records. How does that happen?

I've seen some rational questions raised, but they answers don't hurt Monk at all. Its almost like the guy was so good and so solid that some people need to poke holes in his case. But if you really want to answer how good Monk was, name all the modern era receivers -- then tell me which guys would have gotten the Skins more wins. Other than Jerry Rice (and isn't he the exception to everything), the answer is no one.

If Gregg Williams is hired as defensive coordinator by the Cowboys, we will be haunted by him and then some. It will serve Daniel Snyder right. What a jerk Snyder is. He has torpoeded the Redskins in less than a few weeks. Unbelievable.

pdiddy, aren't all nights cold, wet, and miserable in Seattle? I'm just saying...
Did anyone hear Riggins say Danny boy should coach the team himself? I think it would be funny if Danny had a puppet of himself to conduct the post game interviews! If you're the ultimate puppet master (clearly what they're looking for in a HC right now) why now have a puppet of yourself to control...

I ws thinking that just maybe...this is all a PR front for the last week and a 1/2...Iof course don't know i'm not there in the office but it seems that the staff that has been hired may have already been picked out by the next HC. Who knows ...the mooch could have handed Dan a list two weeks ago.

Posted by: leevi98 | January 30, 2008 10:05 PM

PR stands for public relations.

Does what happened in the last week seem like an effort to improve public relations.

Can you ever think of a time that the HC was not rolled out for weeks while fans went crazy and the staff was selected? I can't? That makes the Owner look stupid, the players and fans look at the HC like a tool.

If you are correct it is even worse then we thought. Many more decisions are going to be made this year. God help us poor skins fans. Maybe Snyder is like the Gipper. He got a coach then forgot the next day.

Posted by: mul | January 30, 2008 10:15 PM

Of course "Mr." Snyder's minions are reading the blog and ES and ESPN and on and on. It's called a "PR Coverage Report" (with or without the associated cover sheet). Any time you make a big decision that involves media coverage, your PR Agency will pull together a coverage report for you. All coverage reports in this day and age include summaries of blog activity, including those blogs run by everyday fans/customers and not simply those written by members of the mainstream media.

My PR Agency used to assign a numeric scale from 1 to 5 for favorability to my message (1 being lowest) as well as a separate numeric scale from 1 to 5 for "pickup" of the message (how well the media outlet/blog carried my message, independent of any editorializing).

It's safe to say that the concept of hiring Jim Fassel probably generated an average score of 1 or 2 for both dimensions.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 30, 2008 10:34 PM

Thank You P Diddy!

Not all nights, good sir. Seattle is actually a pretty fun little town. But it's totally dead in January. Everyone leaves for warmer climates and the bars are completely empty.

I used to complain about Seattle all the time. But the snowboarding, restaurants, clean air, and lack of crime can't be beat. It has grown on me like the moss and fungus that grows on sidewalks and stucco.

Drinks so far:
1. Pinot Noir
2. Shot of Hornitos (I don't do Patron)
3. Another shot of Hornitos
4. Specialty vodka-based cocktail with a girly name that I shall not utter

I give myself 4 more drinks before becoming a wee bit drunk.

Blog along with me peeps.

Final shot before I bif you all goodnight:

You missed a true giant of sports coaching in those earlier lists, Coach Ernie Pantuso from Cheers.

Sadly his passing brought us Woody Harrelson, hardly a fair bargain...

Just connecting the dots here folks.

This guy is it. Former US Sentator John Edwards. Think about it. He used to live in DC. He wanted to live in DC again. He says he cares about the poor. Danny says he cares about the poor. They share the same hair stylist.

So Edwards drops out of the prez race just in time. Coincidence? I don't think so. Edwards stayed in the prez race until GG was passed over. Edwards would have quit right then, but it seemed Fassel was imminent, so he stuck with plan B, the White House thing.

But when Danny said he would wait until after the Super Bowl, Edwards saw the opening. He essentially stopped campaigning for president and let Hillary and Obama walk away with that last primary thing so he could announce his withdrawal. If he'd been too close, he couldn't have walked away.

Take it to the bank. next HC of the Redskins: John Edwards

Next up: Rudy Guliani

The way that ownership has reacted to Joe Gibbs retirement in the past three weeks strongly suggests that Joe Gibbs left the Redskins because he realized it was POINTLESS TO CONTINUE. Other than beg him to stick around, Dan and Vinny are not people whose leadership and presence seem to make anybody want to do anything for them.

Has anyone wondered what the past 4 years would have been like with Joe Gibbs as HC and a different owner and no Vinny?

I feel really terrible for the players, but anyone who comes here to coach is doomed to fail as long as Dan Snyder and Vinny are here.

After almost 40 years as a Redskin Fan I will be pulling for Al and Gregg to come back here with their new teams and beat the crap out of the Skins.

I never thought I'd say this, but if Gregg gets hired by the Cowboys I will pull for them to beat the SKINS.

This just in.....Joe Gibbs' Grandson leukemia...He found out after being committed to the 07 Season...HELLO!!!!!!!!!!

Opp that post I commented on above was posted by

Posted by: chargersix | January 30, 2008 11:45 PM

would love to pdiddy but 6am is right aroung the corner for us right coasters, if time doesn't put me to sleep the SA white ale will do the trick...but what we all should ask ourselves is, seriously, Who WOULD you hire as HC if you were the Redskins belt-buckle wearing Danny "you'll shoot your eye out!" Snyder? Goodnight and Godspeed

It's not real until The Ombudsman and his sources weigh in.

Seriously. That dude, sitting on his prized Hill of Sanctimony, knows everything that's going on. He has earned the right to cast the first stone, to throw rocks at glass houses, to pontificate against all of us.

5. Another shot of Hornitos with a friend's crazy (and crazy hot) ex-girlfriend.

Just connecting the dots here folks.

This guy is it. Next HC of the Redskins: America's mayor: Rudy Gulliani. Think about it. He so wanted to live in DC. He talks about defense all the time. He's always understands the long yardage situations, like when the team needs 9 or 11 yards.

Danny is the only one with hair, so he won't feel threatened. Rudy has plenty of experience with divorce, so when Danny's wife wants to move on, Rudy's expertise will be a big help.

So Rudy drops out of the prez race just in time. Coincidence? I don't think so. Rudy stayed in the prez race until GG was passed over. Rudy would have quit right then, but it seemed Fassel was imminent, so he stuck with plan B, the White House thing.

There is one big strike against Rudy. He could well be a spy. Get Danny to hire Rudy so he won't hire Spagnolo. Protect the NYG guy while destroying the Skins from the inside. But seriously, no one can destroy a team from the inside better than Danny, so what is there to worry about.

Anothe plus for Rudy. He was a prosecutor and still has major connections. Which could totally intimidate the refs. I mean, what stupid ref is going to call a weak pass interference penalty against the Skins, fully knowing that he'll get flown off to some foreign country to be tortured, then brought back to face bogus federal charges. I'll bet that ref will see the wisdom of a 'no call' in that type of situation.

When Danny said he would wait until after the Super Bowl, Rudy saw the opening. He essentially stopped campaigning for president and let McCain and Romney walk away with that last primary thing so he could announce his withdrawal. If he'd been too close, he couldn't have walked away.

Take it to the bank. next HC of the Redskins: Rudy Gulliani

Next up: Ron Paul ... ?

I feel really terrible for the players,...
Posted by: leevi98 | January 31, 2008 12:29 AM

Really? Really...I wish my bank account was stacked like those poor little football players so you could feel terrible about poor little ol me too...
alright, seriously that's my last post tonight, the booze is maken' me brian cells swim, besides I'd hate to piss everyone off like our...et..um.."beloved" Redskins owner!

So, other than Diddy in Seattle and Nate in Portland and me in San Jose, who are the West Coast bloggers?

6. Another shot of Hornitos

5. Another shot of Hornitos with a friend's crazy (and crazy hot) ex-girlfriend.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 31, 2008 12:34 AM

First the place is empty and now, all of a sudden your ex-friend's girl is doing shots with you? Right pdiddy Right, next thing you know she'll be asking for body shots! ok I lied about this being my last post....so sue me!

Dude, get the story right. Friend's ex-gf. Not the other way around. I did the shot because I'm polite and a man of the people (and a drunk).

Does he know you're doing shots with his ex? I think I said it right...trust me...I know....totally worth it!!

Been thinking...I think it's time to hold a little soiree in DC. Anyone have a preference for venue? I'm thinking of coming out in late February. I'm thinking Saturday 2/23.

Note: if it's out of DC City Limits, it's a non-starter. I know where I'll be staying, and I have no interest in the 'burbs.

Ideas, fellow hamsters?

PDiddy,

Can you clarify what the code says about a friends EX-girlfriend? Does a certain amount of time have to have passed since the break up?

Or once you've passed shot #6...does that get you a mulligan regardless?

She was with her new boyfriend. Who is a) better than my friend and b) completely devoid of personality.

She, of course, is a coke addict and a nutcase. But what can you do? She's got the bartender sniffles.

Let's just say that this is a chick whose nuttiness FAR outweighs her hotness.

God, I'm old.

7. One last shot of Hornitos.

I've always have lived by this little credo
"it's hard to think when you're about to sink the pink"

Let's just say that this is a chick whose nuttiness FAR outweighs her hotness.

God, I'm old.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 31, 2008 01:08 AM

Yes, Sir...yes you are.

There seem to be some "crazy like a fox" theories going around today. I only saw one DanBOT (that is my new term) today to it seems worth exploring.

"Sanders was going to be gone no matter what, defense stays the same -- continuity!"
maybe

"we have a coach but the will not tell us"
Maybe

But...............

see next post

8. Vodka Martini: stirred, not shaken.

This is my one note to all the boys out there:

If they've got the sniffles and they're not sick: stay the F away.

All chicks are nuts. This is a well known fact. And nearly all chicks are worth the nonsense if you're about to do what kelly2field says.

But if they're not sick and they're doing crap with their nose that makes you think twice: don't think anymore. Run. You (and your checkbook, and your family, and your friends, and everything you hold dear in your life) will be glad you did.

And, with that, I'm gonna sign off, because...

8. One (okay, for real this time) last shot of Hornitos.

Wow, lost count.

9. One last shot of Hornitos.

Good night.

For real.

D green mentioned the Dirty Dozen in his blog. Is he on to something?

So I am going to put all the pieces in place from our sources (DanBOTs, Crazy fans, mental cases.)

Not Dirty Dozen but -- Trading Places.

Do you remember two guys Eddie M. and Dan A. feel used by the power structure who bet one dollar that they can make a PUNK (eddie) into a winner (DAN) and make Dan the PUNK.

Also we know from one of the DanBOTs people on the post are the type of people who beat and pick on DANNY boy yada yada yada. We also know from D. Green and others that the Redskins make Lots of money.

Well you see now. At 15 Dan made a bet with one of the friends after getting his A$ kicked by some redskin fans that he could run the most screwed up NFL team in history and set recored in MONEY for any team in the world. Probably bet a set of comic books.

Now you are saying sure he has the highest pay role and makes double what the Cowgirls bring in but some soccer teams and the Yankees make more. Ahh don't forget about the dome that is coming to DC. Yea don't forget we are going to subsidies that P K. (I feel sick)

The last part of the theory .....

He is going to make the most money so will win the bet on that end. But are we the most screwed UP NFL team?
That is what is stopping him from winning the bet. He managed to bring in Gibbs have the FO make some bad cap moves. And brake up the team after a tragic year. So who is stopping him but Oakland. You see it is

Al Davis who was his friend at 15. They are in a stand off now waiting for the other one to make a move. Like a short distance bike race. Al has sent his Coach a letter of resignation but the coach will not quit and Dan had done everything possible to undermine the next coach. They have to wait for the other one to make the next move.

Only one man can settle this bet is "Art Shell"

Ahh PDiddy drunken rant messed up the flow.

There seem to be some "crazy like a fox" theories going around today. I only saw one DanBOT (that is my new term) today to it seems worth exploring.

"Sanders was going to be gone no matter what, defense stays the same -- continuity!"
maybe

D green mentioned the Dirty Dozen in his blog. Is he on to something?

So I am going to put all the pieces in place from our sources (DanBOTs, Crazy fans, mental cases.)

Not Dirty Dozen but -- Trading Places.

Do you remember two guys Eddie M. and Dan A. feel used by the power structure who bet one dollar that they can make a PUNK (eddie) into a winner (DAN) and make Dan the PUNK.

Also we know from one of the DanBOTs people on the post are the type of people who beat and pick on DANNY boy yada yada yada. We also know from D. Green and others that the Redskins make Lots of money.

Well you see now. At 15 Dan made a bet with one of the friends after getting his A$ kicked by some redskin fans that he could run the most screwed up NFL team in history and set recored in MONEY for any team in the world. Probably bet a set of comic books.

Now you are saying sure he has the highest pay role and makes double what the Cowgirls bring in but some soccer teams and the Yankees make more. Ahh don't forget about the dome that is coming to DC. Yea don't forget we are going to subsidies that P K. (I feel sick)

The last part of the theory .....

He is going to make the most money so will win the bet on that end. But are we the most screwed UP NFL team?
That is what is stopping him from winning the bet. He managed to bring in Gibbs have the FO make some bad cap moves. And brake up the team after a tragic year. So who is stopping him but Oakland. You see it is

Al Davis who was his friend at 15. They are in a stand off now waiting for the other one to make a move. Like a short distance bike race. Al has sent his Coach a letter of resignation but the coach will not quit and Dan had done everything possible to undermine the next coach. They have to wait for the other one to make the next move.

Only one man can settle this bet is "Art Shell"

"we have a coach but the will not tell us"
Maybe

But...............

see next post

ABF!!!!

On hiring the assistants first I agree, If they waited until after the Super Bowl, with other teams looking to fill spot for assistants they may have had slim pickings, If the coach they hire wants more, he will likely get them. Better get some quality, especially Blache and Buges than get left out in the cold. It was either that or make a quick hire on the head coach, and if they were not ready to hire the HC it was not a good idea to make the hire. Here they need to be patient, yet cover their bases.

1. Grimm
2. Mooch
3. Meeks / Spags
4. McDaniel
5. Arnold Ziffel
6. Dennis Kucinich
7. Mr. Haney
9. Jim Fassel
10. Bram Wienstien

I like women whose bra straps show, just not on the outside of their clothes. I also like Russ Grimm. Since the offensive coordinator is already hired, and that horse has left the barn, why not let Zorn do the heavy west coast lifting? Then Russ can run the return to the hogs pr machine. A natural, and a hell of a line coach to boot...

I do NOT buy all this Jason Campbell needs a HC that has developed a QB...garbage. They need to leave that young man alone and let him play football. If you really want to help him get him some receivers. If not, we are the Philadelphia Eagles, albeit with truffle oil.

"My bad. Capers is talking to the Cowboys. Not yet hired...."

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 30, 2008 11:36 PM

Same deal with Gregg Williams @ Dallas.

I don't think its fair to compare us to the Eagles with our current WR corps. I assume you mean the Eagles of the past 4-5 years, the exception year being the TO year. Anyways Moss and El are a better duo then the old Thrash/Pinkston. Though I think the Eagles found one in Kevin Curtis, but Brown is a no 3 playing the 2 slot. But my gut tells me, like any good Eagles office move, these guys will be traded for a 6th round pick and some nachos. We at least have a 3rd option with Cooley, where their no 3 guys are around 200 yds receiving. All that said we do need to get a big man on that WR list of ours. I look at what NYG did for eli with Plexico a GIANT man & Toomer was always a solid built guy. I don't think Cooley will ever be able to play that slot WR position that Gibbs tried to put him in, he is a step to slow and a few inches to short.

Grimm, Grimm, GRIMM!!!!!!

Mooch second choice and if he hires Fassel to even fill the waterboy job I am done!

Signed a 47 year fan

If you had to rank the WR teams for the NFC East I think it goes NY,Dal,WAS, PHI

I always hear guys saying "I am done" I don't buy it. We are all suffering from that think that abused spouses get. So to quote some white trash out there when the cops come knocking at the door " Don't take em aways, I love eim'"

Hers is my picks:
Grimm
Mooch
Scherleth,
Darrell Green
joe jacoby
We need someone who knows the redskins tradition
heck maybe Sonny Jurgenson & Joe Thiesman would be great co coaches

This is an open letter to Mr. Snyder; hopefully his PR folk will see this as they comb through blogs.

Having been widely praised for your acts of kindness through the Taylor murder, you now have the opportunity to do the right thing again, but, this time, it would not be based on money.

It strikes me (and perhaps others) that many people are loyal to you, largely because you paid them handsomely--for example Mr. Cerrato or even Coach Gibbs who lauded you repeatedly for your willingness to spend.

This is a pipe dream, but here goes. True loyalty has no price; it comes from the souls of persons. Similarly, a team has a soul, and a big part of the Skins' soul was ripped away in bad fashion via the dismissal of Coach Williams. The players will continue to "do their jobs" to the best of their ability, but their "will" to strive for excellence was in the soul of the "TEAM".

Do the right thing. Coach Williams is still out there. Your PR people could spin it and say, "We released Gregg so that he could be free to interview with other clubs; we never said we did'nt want him." You'll have to sell it to him, but if you want the player's loyalty, the fans' genuine praise, and all-around good will for a team that was finally headed in the right direction, this would be the blockbuster strategic move. . .Far-fetched, yes; but just think about it.

Jason,
I don't like the Old Nags in your race but there's a better looking race at a different race track. Tell Dan to take a look.

Denni Green
Ron Meeks
Russ Grimm
Mike Singletary

And the winner is.......

When healthy, our receiving corp is fine. Santana Moss had a bad year, but he still showed at the end that he's one of the top deep threats in football. Randle El showed that he can step in to the #2 slot in more than a satisfactory manner. Our 3, 4, and 5 (thrash, mccardell, caldwell) receivers performed well this year, possibly even overachieved a bit, but I do have confidence in them when they're out on the field, just not confidence that they'll be gamebreakers. And we do have 2 young, talented, developing receivers that could make an impact next year in Espy and Mix. We also have two talented backs in catching out of the backfield. And Cooley has progressed every year from good, to better, to great, and will establish himself as one of the leagues top tight ends. We may need to "upgrade" due to injury concerns, but not because our guys aren't talented enough. I'd be willing to bet if we can stay relatively healthy next year, we will have the best receiving year (statistically) that this team has had in a LONG time.

Jasno,
I don't like the Old Nags in your race but there's a better looking race at a different race track. Tell Dan to take a look.

Denni Green
Ron Meeks
Russ Grimm
Mike Singletary

And the winner is.......

Fassel has laminitis, someone please put him down. Mooch, once way off the pace, comes back to win it.

I'd be OK with that. I like Meeks and would be happy with him but I don't think The Schneid would gamble on him.

If he takes the job with Snyder he'll have to be more Smooch than Mooch.

Given that the Skins' goal is to get to the Super Bowl:

How many head coaches, after reaching the Super Bowl with one team, take another team there? How many two-time head coaches who never reached the Super Bowl take a third team there as head coach?

These aren't rhetorical questions. I think Parcells, Vermeil and Holmgren are the only answers to the first question; don't know any coach who fits in the second class. The point is this -- percentages. What are the chances Fassel will be another Parcells or Holmgren (he does kinda look like Vermeil)? What are the chances Mooch will do what (I think) no coach has ever done? Not likely.

Most head coaches in the Super Bowl are in their first position as a head coach. A few others are head coaches, who not making it in brief stints with one team, eventually make it with their second team. We missed out on Williams. So hire Meeks. Hire the Patriots OC or the Giants DC, Grimm or Singletary. Play the percentages.

First time for anything, you say. There must always be exceptions. Yes, but what recently about the Redskins has been exceptional?

Everyone seems to like Mooch--not so sure why. The guy had a horrible record in Detroit. Also, he totally blows his own horn. But I guess that is the kind of guy that Dan likes.

"How many two-time head coaches who never reached the Super Bowl take a third team there as head coach?"

Coughlin (Jags-Giants), Gruden (Raiders-Bucs), Belicheck (Browns-Pats), Dungy (Bucs-Colts)...

Mariucci would be a better choice than Fassel but I'm still boycotting Synder and his stupidity!!

n6797p it's we just dislike Fassel so much that we will take anyone else. No to Fassel. No to Fassel.

Was is Vinny Larry this morning?

I don't buy it that you need an offensive minded head coach. But if you go that way I'd much rather have Grimm than Mooch or Fizzle. And McDaniels; I'm afraid if he were by himself at Redskins Park late at night you'd have a scene from Home Alone.

But I would gladly accept Spinoza or Meeks. They both clearly have skills that would be valuable to the defense, and I would not worry about egos getting in the way. And Blache, Meeks and Spag all seem to like to play a similar kind of attacking defense with more man than zone coverage.

Al Saunders in St. Louis =

Marc Bulger - return to the Pro Bowl
Torry Holt - 1400 yards/12TDs
Steve Jackson - 2000+ combo yards/25 TDs

Al is gonna show the world that his offense was NOT the problem in Washington...hope we don't have to see them next year...

Al is gonna show the world that his offense was NOT the problem in Washington...hope we don't have to see them next year...

Posted by: p1funk | January 31, 2008 09:12 AM

We get them at FedEx in 2008.

Obviously Gregg Williams would have been the best choice. He would have fielded an aggressive and tough team. He also would have left Al Saunders alone. After 3 years, Saunders system would have really taken off! The best way to soothe the livid anger of the fan base would be to hire Mooch. I think he is a terrific coach. You can't hold Detroit against him, no one can win up there. Is it true that Larry Michael drives Danny boy to work every morning??

If Todd Collins goes to St Louis maybe the Redskins can get Gus Frerrotte to back up JC.

We get them at FedEx in 2008.

Posted by: HogsHead | January 31, 2008 09:16 AM

DAMN!

Al Saunders in St. Louis =

Marc Bulger - return to the Pro Bowl
Torry Holt - 1400 yards/12TDs
Steve Jackson - 2000+ combo yards/25 TDs

Al is gonna show the world that his offense was NOT the problem in Washington...hope we don't have to see them next year...

Posted by: p1funk | January 31, 2008 09:12 AM

Tory Holt had close to those number this year.

Steven Jackson would have if he had played all season.

If any of those predictions happen I assure you it will be because they will have an offensive line this year, not because of a different offense.

Everyone is missing the point. I'm fine with Mooch, fine with Meeks, fine with Spag's, fine with McD, fine with Grimm, but not Fossil. Point is, it should have been Williams...period. He's out of it now and we have to live with that, but GG should have been the guy.

Snyder knew it...Vinny talked him out of it...and ultimatly they blew it. Completely blew it. The players wanted him, the coaches wanted him, and yes even the fans wanted him. The Skins finally became a "family" at the end of last year and he was the guy who could have kept it all together. Name one of the dominant sporst franchises right now that doesn't have that "family" thing going??? Pats, Spurs, Yanks (puke, but true until Torre left), etc. Thats what makes temas great.

Snyder and Cerrato threw it away and missed one of the great opportunities in sports. So be it. Time to deal with it and cheer for the burgandy and gold no matter what!

HAIL!

The other day there was some talk of the Cowgrrls trading Barber and some round 1 picks to Miami to get McFadden.

Looks like that may be off now as Ocho-Cinco has asked the Bengals to trade him to Miami. The word is now that Miami might trade frist rounds with Atlanta so they can get McFadden and then trade Atlanta's first round to Negals as part of the Johnson trade (Bengals want a DT) and then use the Bengals pick to get Chris Long....

RC, what would Miami be getting in return for trading back that much? What would Atl. be giving them other than swapping of #1's? How do you feel about these trades? I thought that the Dallas trade would be a HUGE windfall for your team.

If any of those predictions happen I assure you it will be because they will have an offensive line this year, not because of a different offense.

Posted by: sams3 | January 31, 2008 09:27 AM

The HOGS are the reasons for our SBs. Both times we made a run to the playoffs during GibbsII was because of the play of our offensive line.

This is the start of any solid team and should be our focus. With time to throw, any QB can make all of the throws, or any RB can run through holes provided by the HOGS of old. These are the men that make it happen!

Anybody else see in the story in the paper today at the bottom that Double G has drawn interest from Dallas? The thought of Williams in Dalls drawing up blitzes on Campbell just makes me sick and I really hope that doesn't happen, but that would be the ultimate way to get back at the Danny.

RC, what would Miami be getting in return for trading back that much? What would Atl. be giving them other than swapping of #1's? How do you feel about these trades? I thought that the Dallas trade would be a HUGE windfall for your team.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 31, 2008 09:48 AM

Not sure, but here's the skinny from a Fins site. Aplogies for the long non-Skins post.

"Ultimately the Bengals should make a decision that will be best for the team. Come draft day, two players could have heavy bearing on that decision. Its well known that the Bengals have issues on the interior of their defensive line, and to make things worse, Justin Smith might also be out the door. While it's a safe bet the Bengals can land a Defensive End like Derrick Harvey, Calais Campbell, or Phillip Merling with the number Nine pick, there is no safe bet they will land Glenn Dorsey or Sedrick Ellis with that pick. You have to go back to 2003 and Dewayne Robertson to find the last time a Defensive Tackle was held in such high regard. In a year when there are two such players the Bengals have a shot to hit on a dominant prospect that can be a cornerstone for the defense and they might go ahead and pull the trigger while unloading a disgruntled Johnson at the same time. With the number Nine Pick the Phins could take one of the Offensive Tackles that fall, either Clady or Long. My personal favorite is Linebacker Dan Connor. If Zach is lost, that's a huge dropoff in production and leadership. Connor could step in right away and play next to Crowder.

Another scenario could involve the Falcons. I know most everyone thinks that a Quarterback is a lock for them, but not me. People fail to forget that the Falcons could not even sellout football games until Micheal Vick arrived. The year they went 14-2 and earned a trip to the Super Bowl they only had two sellouts. Two! However they set club records in season ticket sells with the addition of Vick and had six straight seasons of sellout games that finally came to an end this year. In a town of hard line hard to please fans, Vick is a superstar. Vick played the system by failing a drug test just before he went into prison which qualified him for a drug rehab program and further qualified him for early release. He won't be out this season but should be out the following one. If Vick comes out humbled, apologetic, and determined to play football, Falcon fans will be excited to have him back. Seeing how Blank treats Vick like a son, I don't see why he wouldn't give him another shot.

If the Falcons were to fall in love with McFadden and Oakland picks before them, they could desire to trade up. Besides the fact that most people consider McFadden with his incredible combination of speed and strength to be the best player available, he and Vick could combine for a lethal duo. A best case scenario in my best case world would involve the Dolphins trading down to the Falcons, and then trading down to the Bengals. At least there is potential for some options."

Anybody else see in the story in the paper today at the bottom that Double G has drawn interest from Dallas? The thought of Williams in Dalls drawing up blitzes on Campbell just makes me sick and I really hope that doesn't happen, but that would be the ultimate way to get back at the Danny.

Posted by: Hammertime9 | January 31, 2008 10:01 AM

That truly is horrifying! We may never beat Dallas again. Thanks Danny!!

Who would be unhappier: (1) a Snyder fan/lover/apologist after reading this blog over the past few weeks or (2) a Jets fan forced to watch the game on Sunday night?

Vinny Larry come out and play. Vinny larry come out and play.

RC, thanks for the update.

Regarding the GG to the Cowboys, not sure I buy that. I think he end up in Jacksonville.

Also regarding the O-line, agreed 100 percent. There is a cat from Nebraska, I think his last name is Nix, goes about 6'6, and 341, had a great showing at the Senior Bowl. Could be a good second round pick, if he pans out at the Combine/pro-day.

There is plenty of offensive line talent to be found in the later rounds. This is where our front office needs to do their homework.

Buges is our most important keep IMO.

Anybody else see in the story in the paper today at the bottom that Double G has drawn interest from Dallas? The thought of Williams in Dalls drawing up blitzes on Campbell just makes me sick and I really hope that doesn't happen, but that would be the ultimate way to get back at the Danny.

Posted by: Hammertime9 | January 31, 2008 10:01 AM

That truly is horrifying! We may never beat Dallas again. Thanks Danny!!

Posted by: jimwell | January 31, 2008 10:03 AM

This statment makes me laugh, the grass is always greener baby!

When Williams was here no one was saying "Boy, we can't ever lose to Dallas becaue we have Williams!" Now that he may go somewhere else where ever he goes is an instant winner. The redskins didn't win too much when Saunders and Williams were here however, according to everyone where ever they go they will be the best of all time.

Hard logic to follow.

kerz, agreed, but so far the Redskins haven't been able to unearth any late round offensive linemen. I'd be happier if they spent an early pick on one...if they have a chance to get a top notch guy, then by all means they should...

Hire Mariucci Already!!!!!

I never thought I'd say this, but if Gregg gets hired by the Cowboys I will pull for them to beat the SKINS.

This just in.....Joe Gibbs' Grandson leukemia...He found out after being committed to the 07 Season...HELLO!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: leevi98 | January 31, 2008 12:29 AM

Wow you would cheer for some coaches over the team you are supposed to be a fan of? You might just be the worst fan ever, or an idiot, or both. Go become a Cowboys fan, we need real fans to cheer for this team.

"... Regarding the GG to the Cowboys, not sure I buy that. I think he end up in Jacksonville. ..."

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 31, 2008 10:18 AM

Jaguars are one of the poorest franchises in the NFL, right there with the Bills. If Saunders' annual salary here exceeded Linehan's in St. Louis, then Williams' salary probably would lap Del Rio's. I think the only team in the NFL able to keep up with the Synderes on being able to unload Williams' salary would be the Joneses. Williams was making more than most head coaches in the NFL.

Greg, Derrick Dockery was 3rd round and according to Buffalo (not me) is worth 5 trillion dollars, do you mean 4th round or later?

greg(b), I thought Montgomery and Golsten were picked btwn rounds 4 and 6 ... Lorenzo Alexander and Heyer weren't drafted at all. Seems like awhile since they even tried to use the draft for an offensive lineman (other than Kili Lefotu).

briank450, I'm going to go with idiot without pride.

Greg, I agree. IMO 1st round DL, 2nd round OL (though we may need to go with DB early). But we have to make good use of our later round picks.

clearly you can't root for williams if he goes to dallas. Why even mention that. It shows you have more dislike for the owner than love for the team... ie not a real fan. Hate The Schneid all you want but love the Redskins more. Period!

If we went DL or WR, depending on who is available at #21, and then OL in the second and third, I'd be happy with that. If Calais Campbell tests out well, and all the WR's are off the board, then I think you have to pick him. But if Limas Sweed is still out there...he's going to be tough to pass up...

Also agree that CB needs to be addressed, depending on what happens with Springs, and how Rogers rehabs.

Not sure I am sold on Sweed and WR are a gamble in rd one. With our young tackles, DE in 1st.

Don't expect Springs back, and hope Rogers not only recovers, but continues to step up.

If we go DL, OL through most of this draft, I would be happy. To me, this is the key.

Our pal Cindy has a Super Bowl chat in a few hours:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2008/01/25/DI2008012502271.html

free agency precedes the draft. i think we should seek a CB in free agency, and then another guy, either DE or WR.

what that remains for the draft would be the position not picked up in free agency (DE or WR) and an offensive tackle. my gut tells me to prepare to replace jansen, but my brain tells me to prepare to replace kendall.

what about trading betts for a WR?

When Williams was here no one was saying "Boy, we can't ever lose to Dallas becaue we have Williams!" Now that he may go somewhere else where ever he goes is an instant winner.

Hard logic to follow.

Posted by: sams3 | January 31, 2008 10:24 AM

sams, I think what the poster was saying is that GG will know exactly how to go after Jason, what looks he struggles to read, what his behaviors are in certain scenarios. Also, that if Blache means 'continuity' on defense, GG would also know where the holes are in the schemes (more or less) and more-importantly, what the Skins defensive personnel can and cannot do.

Of course if the Skins personnel changes significantly, all bets are off, but even then, GG would know what 'looks' an offense should give to LFB to throw hinm off the scent....

As for Weird Al, that would just come down to execution, but he again should at least know who to pick on in the defense from the current roster.

If you want to seehow this works look at Mangini vs. Belichick. Last year (first year away) Mangini was embarrassing the Pats all over the place because he obviously 'knew' what they would o in given situations. This year with different personnel, that effect has begun to wear off.

If we can get Samuels, that would be a steal. Hard to compete with how NE runs their organization, so money is the key to getting him.

My fear is our salary cap not letting us get the FAs we need.

If Calais Campbell tests out well, and all the WR's are off the board, then I think you have to pick him.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 31, 2008 10:42 AM

I've heard chat that the Bungles are very interested in Calais Campbell too. he may not be there for you guys.

This is why I want Mariucci:

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SMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCH!!!

kerz, I somewhat agree on Sweed, but if his wrist is healed up, he could be a HUGE steal at 21. Had he not gotten hurt this year, and merely duplicated his numbers from last year, he'd be a top 5 pick, I'd guess.

dc, I disagree about Kendall. Sure he needs a day or two off a week to rest his knee's, ankles, but I think he's pretty durable, and played well throughout the year. With Jansen, I think the mind is able but his body is just not willing anymore....

Williams will draw up blitzes against Cambell and we will never beat Dallas that makes me laugh you mean like all the blitzes he drew up here that we never used. We could not get any were near the QB while he was with us we produced no turnovers and we collapsed in the second half on numerous occasions. Dallas can have him he wont help the fact that there secondary is terrible. People act like he is the second coming of VL give me a break.

Betts may have some real value this year and smart trades, even though we lose "core players" are also needed to fix the cap unless our players are willing to redo their contracts.

Health will also determine our record and with Jansens recent history...

"what about trading betts for a WR?"

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 31, 2008 10:50 AM

Seems like the Skins always come out on the bad side of trades. The trade for Kendall seems like the closest the Skins have come to a break even point in many many years ... twelfth year guard for a 4th or 5th round draft pick. The former has a finite shelf life and the latter has infinite possibilities (ranging from success to failure). Taylor Jacobs for Mike Rumph was junk for junk. Other than those two, I can't recall the Skins even approaching break even.

ChrisLarry is such a d-bag. Who uses words like "tool" anymore? What are you, 12?

NYC peeps/frequent visitors

Headed up to NYC (staying close to the UN) for the weekend and was looking for ideas for fun, not not crazy expensive (no $25 cover/$20 drink) places to hit Sat evening. Would really like to know where I could run into Adam Samberg and Maya Rudolph, but I realize CL and Nate cannot divulge such information.

Thanks in advance

Adam

PS Diddy, it's not too original, but I'd