I think at this point the turd J-Reid's kid is about to drop is a HC candidate!

Looks like all roads lead to Mooch.

First!

They continue to look indecisive and unfocused. It's clear they hired the OC and DC as a result of pressure to get something accomplished.

Looks like all roads lead to Mooch!

First!

Bring it CL! We all know you are the Vinny of the blog.

Posted by: jm220 | January 30, 2008 12:14 PM

Oh no you didn't JM220, those fightin words, you better go gulp a wheat grass cocktail and read your fave passage from the Celestine Prophecy to prepare for the heat I am about to drop on your sorry azz!

Bring it CL! We all know you are the Vinny of the blog.

Posted by: jm220 | January 30, 2008 12:14 PM

6th???

Moooooooooooooooooooooch!!!

I think all Redskins fans should just shut the hell up and deal with whoever we get a s coach. Its Dan's team and he can hire whoever the hell he wants. It's stupid that true Skins fans would"boycott"the organization becasue we are making a change. a Change I might add that was much needed. I love Coach Gibbs but look at how many leads that we blew in Gibbs 2.0. Gibbs 1.0 was infamous for making second half adjustements to win the game, 2.0 wasn't.

Accept the change whiners.

mooch has been the mystery target all along and all hte pieces put in place the past weeks were a result of that and all the research snydie and vinnie have been gathering interviewing all the others...

this isnt that bad people...get over it and believe!!!

there IS continuity in there...just not exactly the way we all thought or wanted...

Cerrato is a DUNCE! And Mooch? the guy assembled a 15-28 record in 3 years in Detroit. WAFJ. The only redemption, in my opinion, would be to hire the kid from New England. He's been there since 2001 and worked for years with a proven winner.

Since Vinny the Dunce and Danny the Hobbit blew this thing up, they might has well try to salvage what little respect that have left amongst their fans and in league circles.

"Vinny, get that turd on the phone! Let's flying him, er... it(?) in this afternoon."

Agreed - no sense crying over spilt milk. Greg W. is gone and so is Saunders. Lets man up fans and root on our team as we always do. If this experiment fails we can get rid of Cerrato and try to get Casserly back.

HAIL!

can u please stop talking about your kid and wife...this is a sports blog. stop making excuses on your bad grammar.

hey JWILSON-you wrote: I think all Redskins fans should just shut the hell up and deal with whoever we get a s coach.

Um, dunno about you, but i drop $6K annually on this Turd Operation formerly known as the Washington Redskins.

I won't shut up. I've paid (painfully) over the past 10 years for these chimps to destroy my beloved organization.

So go pound sand my friend. If i dont sell of my tickets this year, you can be sure I wont buy a soda, beer, bourbon or bon bon from anything that comes out of that stadium. I hope everyone else does the same. Further, you can be darn sure that no matter what, I WILL NOT be in attendance at the game. Count 2 seats right now that will lay fallow. Maybe then, the Hobbit will figure it out.

u cant hold detriot against moooch other than the fact that he accepted the job in the first place...you fools...

seriously...how good do you think joe gibbs woudl have done in detroit?

judge him on san fran and potential with this team...hes moving into a better situation here than he had in san fran...

I've gone from confidence to despair to confidence again. I'm beginning to sense that Snyder & Cerrato have known pretty well what they've wanted all along, but also wanted to make sure they weren't missing anything. It seems rather clear that Zorn & Blache were top choices of their 3 primary candidates: Meeks, Mooch & Fassel (as well as Mora, who I think was a very serious leading candidate). Although their actions confuse the press and us fans, I'm beginning to believe that the process could produce a very strong coaching staff and, compared to the Gibbs staff, a somewhat streamlined one.

Unlike some, I am loathe to attribute my own confusion (or that of any media person) to Snyder & Cerrato. I could also be completely wrong about this, but I think there has been a pretty clear plan or action from the start. I'm not saying they knew exactly who they wanted before starting the process, but it seems clear to me that Snyder didn't want to make an impulsive move -- and he hasn't. The hiring of coordinators just showed the top candidates out there that they would have the assistants they wanted and needed to do the job. Zorn could easily have been off the market by now if the Redskins hadn't acted.

and how about a tracker update??

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/interactives/coachsearch/

I think calls for boycotts, or quitting the team are silly, ineffective and point as well, but does anyone get tired of posts like JJ-Willy's with comments like this:

"Redskins fans should just shut the hell up and deal with whoever we get a s coach."

and

"Accept the change whiners."

Just so weirdly totalitarian, mean spirited, not funny, psuedo rough sex sounding?

My gawd dude chill, last time I checked it was ok for people to have opinions and go against the corporate iron will...

Also alotta money doesn't always mean highly intelligent.

Maybe I am weird but statements like J-wills are only a few steps away from "the drug companies know what there doing, take this uncleared drug" or "why would ciggeratte companies want to harm us, shut up and smoke"

but maybe thats just me....

To include the words Danny, Vinny and respect in the same sentence requires a healthy dose of KY and a large shoe horn.

stop making excuses on your bad grammar.

Posted by: mainiraj | January 30, 2008 12:25 PM

You rite! Bad grammar no good. Do gooder next time!

I agree with almost everything mck just said but i fear that the Redskins organization nevertheless botched the PR on this. The problem is Gibbs, the players, and the fans all wanted/expected Gregg Williams. so, when that ended up dragging out and becoming not so, people were angry and confused. Had Snyder been more clear that Gregg was not going to get the job, then it would have allowed the Redskins to have taken their time without this backlash.

I'd be happy with Mooch. I'd be happy with Meeks. I might even be happy with Fassel. but only if they would have wanted Zorn and Blatche anyway. If they are being hamstrung wiht coordinators they wouldn't want, this could be hairy.

The reason Redskin fans probably oughta shut up and root has nothing to do with whether or not they shell out $6K for tickets; it's because these same fans have no idea what's been going on behind the scenes. If some media source says, "Hey the Skins are considering XXX," you can count on a number of people saying, "See? Snyder's a moron!" even though there is no basis for the story beyond rumor.

The Skins are in the middle of a process none of us really understand. They owe us no blow-by-blow account of their thought process(es) and I know of no team in the NFL that provides that kind of transparency (least of whom the super-secret Patriots). Let the process happen and take a deep breath; Snyder & Cerrato, whether you like 'em or not, know more about this stuff than you do. Guaranteed.

Who are you calling Fools deadskin?

u cant hold detriot against moooch other than the fact that he accepted the job in the first place...you fools...

Oh, Im sorry, the guy had 3 years to do something, anything, and he laid a bunch of turds. The only fool thinking a 15-28 track record is stellar is you. Have we become such a dead end franchise that folks really get excited about a coach will such a dreadful record? Truly Pathetic.

The kid from New England, or this team is an 8-8 disaster for at least 2 years.

"I think all Redskins fans should just shut the hell up and deal with whoever we get a s coach. ... Accept the change whiners."

Posted by: jjwilson312003 | January 30, 2008 12:21 PM

Accept the "shut up" yourself, up shutter!

I'm surprised to hear that Mariucci is actively working this ... and in a way that Big Media could find out about it. I thought he was supposed to be a savvy guy. Doesn't he know that you cannot campaign to be the Pope? It reeks of effort, which the Pope pickers tend to disdain. Maybe he knows something about these particular pickers ...

Is being called "the Vinny of the blog" preferable to being called "the Danny White of the blog"?

Because I think SMACK referred to me as the latter once, and while he meant it as a compliment, it still rankles.

So.... does this mean that Mooch hasn't even interviewed yet?

um....mainiraj...your cross referencing your writers for one, and so what if they like to drop some humanity in there posts. I thinks funny the image life invading work and vice-versa....its not like there wasn't lots of football stuff in the post...

Some of the people up here need to invest in a heavy bag or dog and start taking their weird mean spirited sadist fantasy out in private.

Cindy, when you say you're little boy needs a diaper change...were you referring to Danny? 10 hours is a long time for him to go with a wet tushy.

Hey Zap. I hope you don't attend any more games, more room for other people who will support the team. I am sure if you don't attend the game...none of us will lose sleep over it. Go buy your soda and sit at home and cry...wussy.

The Skins are in the middle of a process none of us really understand.

I know they had the nucleus of a really good thing...for the first time in years...and blew it to smithereens in all likelihood because Williams wouldnt be a little minion like Vinny C.

Now we start over again in one of the most powerful divisions in the NFL. Choke on that thought for a few minutes...

I had a vision of JLC telling JR to make sure he adds a line about his personal life just to see how many comments roll in fussing at them for it.

Maybe they're having a contest.

Comparing Snyder & Cerrato to drug or tobacco companies is really the height of paranoia (and stupidity). Why speculate and criticize when you have no idea who's going to be the right coach for the team? It's not totalitarian when you attack criticism that's just there for the sake of whining.

You want to criticize the parking at Fedex? No sweat. Some of the administrative things that the Redskins do with the fans? Right on. But football decisions -- agree with them or not -- are a slightly different thing. The team is in a better position to know than the fans. Doesn't mean all of their decisions are right, but I certainly wouldn't want them to make a football decision based on what the fans want. That's ridiculous.

If forced to choose between Mooch, Meeks, and Fassel, how do you guys rank who you would want???

The only thing i know is that Fassel is in distant third place!

zap123

its detroit...no one is successful in detroit...especially under matt millen...

u fool...

Hey toughguy Wilson, I will always support my beloved Skins, but I wont sit idly by like you, a sheep, buys into all things Danny and Vinny. How much you wanna bet there are a couple of uniform changes next year and more splashy end of the line free agent pick ups next year, so clowns like you can purchase more Skins periphenalia and stuff Snyder's coffers even more. What a sheep.

chris larry and dcsween sleep together and are announcing their engagement next week here just after the new coach is named. Your poor wives.

mooooooch

meeeeeeks

fassil

The Redskins have the same nucleus they had a month ago. Joe Gibbs retired; the Redskins did nothing to cause this. Gibbs' retirement changes things.
To suggest that the team should just suck it up and keep Saunders and Williams in place is foolish.
Teams change coaches all the time without blowing up the core of their team. To the extent that Gibbs was the emotional core of the Redskins, he blew that up himself and he every right to.

Deadskin-you are just an idiot, and not even worth another post. "Nobody Wins in Detroit" because there hasnt been a winner up there yet to coach. WAFJ.

Is that THE jeffhayes? Long time no see up here, dude!

mck, like knucklehead you blew right past my point....but whateves man keep on keepin on, your wisdom nourishes my soul....

And by the way can someone explain to me what makes having enough money to buy the team an expert on football? seems to me at somepoint Snyder was no different than us boobs spoutin off about how he would run the team....

But your right I am missing something, selling spring break trips to fraternitie and phone cards to recent immigrants is the perfect primer for winning super bowl...

JJ, jealousy and repressed sexual urges are never pretty. If you want to sleep with CL or Sween, you should ask them.

Mariucci
Meeks
Denny Green
Vince Lombardi
George Allen
Spuds McKenzie
Fassel

I thought would get under your skin Vinny Larry. LMGO

Is being called "the Vinny of the blog" preferable to being called "the Danny White of the blog"?

Because I think SMACK referred to me as the latter once, and while he meant it as a compliment, it still rankles.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 30, 2008 12:34 PM

Sorry, Nate. In retrospect, that was a horrible thing to say, even with the best of intentions.

Good ol' Spuds! They should bring him back in a SuperBowl commercial this year. I loved that dog.

J-willy,

Nice, nothing like a good gay bashing to make your point loud and clear. Textbook.

What up, Nate...it's been an f'ed up year to say the least and I've got a job now where I have to bill my work in 5 min intervals which really cuts into my RI time. Good to be back tho!

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh quiet, close your eyes and let lauren do her thang...

Girls you know you better watch out
some guys,some guys are only about
that thing, that thing, that thing

Jeffhayes, dcsween , chris larry and zap on stage with gay Tony. Nice gig losers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbkbsmD30L0

Maybe Mooch can bring Charles Rogers with him...LOL...then Joey Harrington......and MATT MILLEN!!!!!!

Hey Zap Williams only one two more games in Buffalo wich has a much better front office then Detroit so following your logic Williams would have been a bad choice as well. We did not have anything great in place the offense is terrible and has been ever since Gibbs came back way to conservative. The defense will be fine and you can blame Gibbs and Williams for the latest free agent busts not Vinny.

Dude, have you watched the Redskins much over the years? The Redskins made the playoffs once...once(!)...after Gibbs retired in '93 and before he returned to the organization. Gibbs 2.0 took us to the playoffs 2 out of 4 years. That, to me, is proof that complete change is not what the organization needs at this time. But, we have Danny and Vinny running this circus.

I think all Redskins fans should just shut the hell up and deal with whoever we get a s coach. Its Dan's team and he can hire whoever the hell he wants. It's stupid that true Skins fans would"boycott"the organization becasue we are making a change. a Change I might add that was much needed. I love Coach Gibbs but look at how many leads that we blew in Gibbs 2.0. Gibbs 1.0 was infamous for making second half adjustements to win the game, 2.0 wasn't.

Accept the change whiners.

Posted by: jjwilson312003 | January 30, 2008 12:21 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3222148

can u please stop talking about your kid and wife...this is a sports blog. stop making excuses on your bad grammar.

Posted by: mainiraj | January 30, 2008 12:25 PM

Look, minivan - reading is fundamental.

This is JLa's blog. However, this blog item was posted by Cindy Boren, who is JLa's editor. The content of this post was provided by Jason Reid, who is JLa's partner-in-grime. Sometimes, items are posted here by other editors also. If you read carefully, you can usually discern who has written what.

Thank you.

Gibbs 2.0 laid a big fat turd. Terrible player acquistions, wasted draft picks, and wimpy sour puss coaching in 2nd halves.

He should be the honorary Depends spokesman..

jjwilson312003, is that really them?

Het terry , I have watched the Skins over the years included Gibbs and gibbs2.0 had to go a a miraclous winning streak both times to get into the playoffs. So he was not the answer either. Lets hope the new regime has the Skins winning consistently and can clinch the playoffs by week 13.

ABF

JJ, I'm sorry homosexual activity is on the front of your mind. Wish I could help you bro.

The youtube clip that jjwilson312003 posted may be the gayest thing of all time. I really hope it wasn't CL and DC.

We all know it's gonna be Bill Belichick.

Snyder is gonna trade our next 3 #1 draft picks and name Belichick HC and GM.
Naming Vinny Cerrato to that BS position earlier was just a smoke screen.

You can always trust business man Danny to buy high, sell low.
HTF this guy ever made millions in business is the realy mystery.

zap123
no one wins under matt millen...

Triple Sams, let me clear up the mystery....no not me. Shocking but true!

If a team qualifies for the playoffs, what difference does it make what order the team won and lost their games? What kind of momentum does a team have that goes 10-0, then loses its last 6 games and limps into the playoffs? There are no style points in the NFL. What counts is the final result, and not how they got there.

"HTF this guy ever made millions in business is the realy mystery."

Posted by: jgarrisn | January 30, 2008 01:03 PM

two words- Mort Zuckerman

chrislarry,

Thank God.

For all those fans saying we should just acept what this runt of an owner does, you should be the one to shut up. Why should we sit back and waste our time and money on this guys personnal fantasy team. Hello the team is well under .500 with these two dipsticks running the personnel dept. Any good team would have gotten rid of Vinny years ago. Did we not forget Trung Candidate, Brandon Lloyd, Adam Archuletta, and all the other stupid and expensive personnel moves? The only way this guy will get hands off is if he stops making money!! He constantly takes advantage of the fans, raises ticket prices and food at the stadium. Starts his own radio group becuase he is mad that other outlets won't do things his way, and is a general nussance. What other team can make this many bad decisions and then not hold those in charge (VInny and Danny) accountable. We as fansinvest a huge amount of time, energy, and money into our teams. We have a right to expect a well run, quality product to be consistantly put on the field. This organization was a model of stability years ago and this putz has made the team one of the laughing stocks of the league.

REDSKINS FACT

While in college at Miami, cornerback Mike Rumph was a starter for the Hurricanes' national championship team in 2001.

I like how the Redskins calender has fun "Redskins Facts" about guys that aren't even playing in the NFL anymore, let alone still on the Redskins' roster! This is a great example of coked up hamsters buying any sort of crap that they slap a Redskins logo on. Shoddy product.

Congratulations jjwilson312003, you win the bi-annual Redskins Insider "waste of skin" award. That's at least two 'straight' wins for you now isn't it? Nice.

You kiss your mamma with that mouth?

"This organization was a model of stability years ago and this putz has made the team one of the laughing stocks of the league."

That's why we call him LPD- Little Prick Danny

I think Mooch may be the PERFECT choice as new Redskins' HC. He's an accomplished offensive-leaning NFL HC with solid X's and O's, who has the "star power" Snyder seeks. He also seems to have the requisite diplomacy & charisma to handle the 'Skins intrusive-minded ownership, veteran players & demanding local media. Mooch has far less of the Coughlin-esque "prickly personality" than either Gregg Williams OR Jim Fassel. Jason's pointed out Mooch's likely comfort with the assistants already hired, so let's give him the reins! GO MOOCH!!!

mck,

That is the most sensible post I have read out here. They front office is nto going to tell us what we want to know when we want to know it.

The only issue I have is that all of the blg post by Jason L are leaked out somehow.

We should just wait and see what happens. I am sure that all of the fans who were going to boycott will be the first in line onced th eseason starts.

Mooch's likely comfort with the assistants already hired, so let's give him the reins! GO MOOCH!!!

Posted by: spitz1 | January 30, 2008 01:13 PM

Have you come out from under LPD's desk yet?

Mariucci
Meeks
Denny Green
Vince Lombardi
George Allen
Spuds McKenzie
Spuds McDuff
Fassel

lilagram I can tell you that I will not if Fassel is the HC. I will support the players and hope the do well but my energy will be used on something else. Go Capitals. lol

On ESPN radio, they say Grimm is still in the mix, but Snyder is wary of some personal issues Grimm has. Does anyone know what the he@# they are talking about? I never heard Grimm had any personal issues.

Jordan Palmer joins brother Carson on Bengals' roster-
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3222148

Didn't LPD and Vincenta and Uncle Joe waste a pick on this chump?

Grim personal issues?

Yeah, he won't walk around on his knees so LPD can be taller than him like vinniegirl does.

Jordan Palmer joins brother Carson on Bengals' roster-
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3222148

Didn't LPD and Vincenta and Uncle Joe waste a pick on this chump?

Posted by: redskins0and16 | January 30, 2008 01:18 PM

Yeah they wasted a 7th round pick on him. What a waste. We could've landed a HOFamer in that round. LOL.

I love how people criticize our "wasted" picks....especially those precious 7th rounders.

Diaper change??? Isn't that is what woman are for?? Right Lisa?? :-0
I am KIDDING!! Just Kidding!!

Looks like JLaC might have a hound dog's nose after all - good job

Yeah they wasted a 7th round pick on him. What a waste. We could've landed a HOFamer in that round. LOL.

I love how people criticize our "wasted" picks....especially those precious 7th rounders.

Posted by: ptoro | January 30, 2008 01:22 PM

It was a 6th round pick, not a 7th. I seem to remember a certain QB who will be playing this weekend was once a 6th round pick. Vinny would never get that lucky though.

I love how people criticize our "wasted" picks....especially those precious 7th rounders.

Posted by: ptoro | January 30, 2008 01:22 PM

yeah....6th rounder Tom Brady really sucks..

Idiot.

RC, don't waste your time...that guys a tool..

This one's for RickyBooby:

It's my franchise and I'll scheme if I want to
Move the team if I want to, make you scream if I want to
You'd raise prices too if it belonged to you

Nobody knows where my Joe Gibbs has gone
But Man-boobs left the same time
Why can't I hire Bill Cowher
When he's supposed to be mine?

jm220,

Thats great, but you should root for the CAPS anyway. Ownser come and go, but the football team is always going to be there.

Good for you. for the fans that complain about the money they waste on this product, do what I do get a nice flat screen, some finger food, and watch the game at home.

We are the Washington Redskins, we don't want/need to be the San Francisco 49er's of the East. That dink and dunk West Coast offense is not Redskins football. Should we use variations of it that are proven to work based on our personnel? Sure! But our core should still be to line up and smack the opponent in the mouth. That's R-E-D-S-K-I-N-S football and that's what the 2 teams playing on Sunday did a little better than everybody else this year.

"On ESPN radio, they say Grimm is still in the mix, but Snyder is wary of some personal issues Grimm has. Does anyone know what the he@# they are talking about? I never heard Grimm had any personal issues."

Posted by: JAMNEW | January 30, 2008 01:18 PM

Hmmm. I know that he personally played football for a team with a fanbase that has not been paying enough yet (and nobody wants anybody who might be sympathetic to those fans). I'm guessing he personally likes Joe Gibbs a whole lot ... and nobody is allowed like Joe Gibbs more than The Owner. I'm guessing the EVP doesn't like him, but Grimm doesn't take it personally.

The part about waiting till after the Super Bowl so as not to distract from the championship game ... seems like what they are really saying is that they don't want the Super Bowl to distract from their big announcement of the new head coach.

Petitbone

Thank you Redcoat for giving me this award. I would like to thank Dan Snyder, Lason LaCanfora and all Skins fans. I would also like to thank...last but not least .... Redcoat who acknowledges that a love to piss people off here. I hope my decision wasn't swayed because I had sex with Redcoats mom to get this award. BTW Redcoat... your mom was terrible.

6th and 7th round QB's-

6-6 213 Derek Anderson Oregon State Baltimore Ravens

1998
6 187 Matt Hasselbeck Boston College Green Bay Packers

1994
7 197 Gus Frerotte Tulsa Washington Redskins

1993
8 219 Elvis Grbac Michigan San Francisco 49ers
8 222 Trent Green Indiana San Diego Chargers

1988
6 159 Stan Humphries Louisiana-Monroe Washington Redskins

oh...I forgot- 2000

6 199 Tom Brady Michigan New England Patriots

sorry gregskins,

Can't agree at least with you saying that the Patriots smack people in the mouth. They dominate through a finely tuned passing game and get you on the run with delays. That's not Redskins football either. Now as much as I would like to see the Redskins go ape on everyone week in and week out, we are far from having the personnel and system to do that. The NY Giants are going to their 2nd super bowl in 8 years with two different coaches/systems/QBs/players. Do we ever hear about the Giants FO/ownership? That's where I feel the issue is. The only time you hear about Kraft is when everyone is kissing his rich backside for letting the guys who know football make decisions.

What was I talking about again?

Oh yeah, SHABINGUS!

"hey JWILSON-you wrote: I think all Redskins fans should just shut the hell up and deal with whoever we get a s coach.

Um, dunno about you, but i drop $6K annually on this Turd Operation formerly known as the Washington Redskins.

I won't shut up. I've paid (painfully) over the past 10 years for these chimps to destroy my beloved organization.

So go pound sand my friend. If i dont sell of my tickets this year, you can be sure I wont buy a soda, beer, bourbon or bon bon from anything that comes out of that stadium. I hope everyone else does the same. Further, you can be darn sure that no matter what, I WILL NOT be in attendance at the game. Count 2 seats right now that will lay fallow. Maybe then, the Hobbit will figure it out."

Posted by: zap123 | January 30, 2008 12:26 PM
Hell my family has dumped money to the franchise for 43 years! so I agree we can say what we want we have financial input! lol

gregskins, the Pats don't play anything close to what you call Redskins football. They're a passing team. They don't have to run, at all. The offense you're talking about was a ball control, running offense. Nothing like the pats.

You should also be aware that the NFL has evolved since the early 80's. Teams pass, and don't need to run.

"We are the Washington Redskins, we don't want/need to be the San Francisco 49er's of the East. That dink and dunk West Coast offense is not Redskins football. Should we use variations of it that are proven to work based on our personnel? Sure! But our core should still be to line up and smack the opponent in the mouth. That's R-E-D-S-K-I-N-S football and that's what the 2 teams playing on Sunday did a little better than everybody else this year."

Posted by: gregskins | January 30, 2008 01:31 PM

"We are the Washington Redskins, we don't want/need to be the San Francisco 49er's of the East. That dink and dunk West Coast offense is not Redskins football. Should we use variations of it that are proven to work based on our personnel? Sure! But our core should still be to line up and smack the opponent in the mouth. That's R-E-D-S-K-I-N-S football and that's what the 2 teams playing on Sunday did a little better than everybody else this year."

Posted by: gregskins | January 30, 2008 01:31 PM

I hear what your saying but at this point I don't care what system is in place or how they get on track...Just get on track be a force and wind....All i care about.

win that is...how did that d sneak in there

6-6 213 Derek Anderson Oregon State Baltimore Ravens

6 187 Matt Hasselbeck Boston College Green Bay Packers

7 197 Gus Frerotte Tulsa Washington Redskins

8 219 Elvis Grbac Michigan San Francisco 49ers

8 222 Trent Green Indiana San Diego Chargers

6 159 Stan Humphries Louisiana-Monroe Washington Redskins

posted by: someone

All of these "stars" were either cut or traded away by the teams that originally drafted them. And a small wager says that none of them will ever be in the HOF.

You seem to grasping at the proverbial straws here.

"win that is...how did that d sneak in there"

Posted by: leevi98 | January 30, 2008 01:42 PM

leevi, that's called a blitz

Maybe my take on this is a bit different than some others...

I read Mooch "apparently has increased his behind-the-scenes efforts to get into the mix for the job" to mean the guy has tried to create his own PR buzz, probably by leaking fake stories about his being a candidate. It seems he hasn't even interviewed.

All of his "no-comments" as a member of the press at the superbowl are probably trying to perpetuate a PR ruse, which is pathetic if true. Whether or not he'd be a good coach (and I'm doubtful, I don't think being bad in Detroit is as excusable as some others -- that team did ok this year) this makes him seem like a weasel.

Oh good, more politics in the front office. Hey, maybe he can get Vinny fired... in that case sign me up on the mooch bandwagon.

tafka, haven't heard about the proverb of the straws, but are you suggesting that Brady doesn't make it into the HoF?

Bill Walsh thought Mooch was a good coach and excellent hire...He hired him in SF when Walsh was in charge of the presidents chair. Only reason Mooch left SF was because a NEW guy replaced Walsh and he did not agree with Mooch about player personel to get in the draft and FA. But Walsh did agree with Mooch...I like this hire.....We have Cooooooley and Sooooot and maybe a coach called Mooooooch

You seem to grasping at the proverbial straws here.

Posted by: tafka | January 30, 2008 01:43 PM

yeah...u forgot Tom Brady though...no he won't make HOF.

But tafka, u are missing the point, these are all players that have started and had success in this league. They were not "wasted picks."

Do some research on those players and count the Pro Bowls.

jwruble, all those points seem valid to me ... but not disqualifying. Seems like the job of HC for the Skins has an extra added difficulty that doesn't exist with other teams (except maybe the Raiders or the Cowboys), which is owner-meddling, plus overly empowered GM/EVP who lacks any autonomy from the owner. As such, the capacity to feign sincerity, as well as get your @ss out of trouble, are key. It might be that the candidate who is BEST suited for the job ... is a weasel.

Bart: So you're not mad at me for weaseling out of that?
Homer: Son, weaseling out of things is what separates us from the animals ... except the weasel.

For the most part, they were wasted picks for the teams that drafted them, since they weren't able to get up to HOF speed quickly enough to stay with those teams. Decent journeymen? Sure, and it's great when you find someone like that. But for every name you listed, there are 10 who were drafted and never heard from again. Maybe some are slow learners, whatever. But there is no guarantee that Palmer will even make the journeyman list. Will he be the next Tom Brady? Highly unlikely. The next Derek Anderson? Maybe, maybe not. The next Casey Bramlett? Quite likely.

BTW Redcoat... your mom was terrible.

Posted by: jjwilson312003 | January 30, 2008 01:35 PM

A necrophiliac too? Wow... just, wow.

The next Derek Anderson? Maybe, maybe not. The next Casey Bramlett? Quite likely.

Posted by: tafka | January 30, 2008 01:54 PM

And that is exactly why it is important to have a great GM. Remember Bobby Beathard?

Famous for finding guys in late rounds that turned into Pro Bowlers. It's ok that you are satisfied with mediocrity, I am not. I've seen excellence in DC and expect it.

And just for the record, Pro Bowls don't mean a damn thing - it's a popularity contest, with the teams with the biggest fan base putting their boys on the PB squads. (Marion Barber? Roy Williams? Jonathan Ogden? Please.)

Look for the "All-Pro" designation when doing your research. Pro Bowl doesn't mean SJK.

C'MON, MOOCH!!! He would be an excellent hire, and an excellent fit. YAY, MOOCH!!!

i agree with tafka. you've listed 7 players...in 20 years of drafts. not very good odds on that.

I could use a loco mullin or Daveb55 appearance right about now...

Snyder has a legacy that's pretty tarnished for coaching moves: fired Turner in a messy and unprofessional way; fired Marty after just one year because he "wasn't having fun;" Spurrier just walked away; Gibbs 2.0 left abruptly after he mentioned that he would honor his contract; and now this mess. Not much room for error. Having the owner and his pet EVP put the staff in place before the HC is not orthodox. If Snyder crashes and burns with this, he has to face more failure and humiliation. It will eventually erode the fan base and will earn him a dunce cap with his fellow owners.

one can NOT count ANY coaches' record with the Lions. Detroit is the black hole where all personnel go to implode. NO coach can win there (well - without Barry Sanders).

Folks, cool it
First: the reason the Redskins top brass is in this search for coaches is that Mr. Saint (JoeG) threw DanS and VinnyC a wicked curveball and bolted.
So place the blame where it belongs!
Second: The promotion of Blatche to DC, and the hiring of Larry Brooks as defensive line coach shows consistency.
Third: The new headcoach - Meeks or Mooch - will work well with the hired assistants. No fossil though, please.
Fourth: VinnyC and DanS are doing a thorough job and are clearly trying to streamline the confusing coaching hierarchy established under JoeTheSaint. Too many cooks.......
Fifth: Jason Campbell can deal with change - he has done it before. AND he will finally get some consistent tutelage.

Super Bowl 2010 !!!!!!!!!!!

Sure, 0-16, but this is DC. Danny is the owner. He doesn't have/need/want a talented GM that gets in the way of his fantasy football delusions. Sure, it would be nice to have a Bobby Beathard-type GM again, but it is just as likely that you will have a date with Cindy Crawford this evening. (Hey, but maybe you can buy some of her new furniture to watch the games.)

Couple things:

Montgomery, Golston, Heyer, Doughty, Blades, all late round picks, so someone is making some good choices, somewhere.

RC, again, don't wast your breath, you're better than that.

Why are people talking about Jordan Palmer? I don't get it.

B E E P

i dont think u could ever call any 6th or 7th round pick a wasted pick...sure teams find gems in those rounds (remember bobby bethard) but that vast majority of those picks go no where...

u all can sell your season tickets and rally a mass boycott...all youre going to do is shorten the waiting list...just dont say youre no longer a fan or going to root for some other team...true fans would never...at least not true redskins...

but im all for not buying what dannys putting out...beer, refreshments, gear etc...way over priced...

Posted by: tafka | January 30, 2008 02:03 PM

You are a limited individual with zero imagination. You may think you are just "being realistic," but you actually live in a box you've made and don't know it.

Too bad.

Super Bowl 2010 !!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: johnbear948 | January 30, 2008 02:03 PM

With the Snyder record/legacy, 2110 seems much more likely.

Maybe we can steal Jeff Garcia from the Bucs and start a little west coast offense here in DC. Very intriguing.

redskins0and16,

You forgot to mention Mark Rypien, 6th round, 1986 Draft out of WAZOO, er, Washington State - one-time Super Bowl MVP (XXVI).

It's not where a QB is drafted, but how much he wants it, grows, and matures after he graduates. I would so prefer to find the mid- to late-round QB prospect with fire in the belly, ice water in his veins, solid yet unspectacular pedigree, who is accurate and smart. The West Coast offense flourishes with those sorts of players, especially the ones with pocket awareness and the ability to slip tacklers.

You are a limited individual with zero imagination. You may think you are just "being realistic," but you actually live in a box you've made and don't know it.

Too bad.

Posted by: redskins0and16 | January 30, 2008 02:06 PM

Whatever you say, Carnac.

johnbear, Larry Brooks doesn't have the job yet. Day-late Len Pasquarelli, when he got around to turning the rumor into a scoop, got unscooped.

tafka, I think the Skins should try to get Casey Bramlett back as the #3 guy. He's a good QB waiting to happen (and I don't think he was drafted).

I love how people criticize our "wasted" picks....especially those precious 7th rounders.

Posted by: ptoro | January 30, 2008 01:22 PM

yeah....6th rounder Tom Brady really sucks..

Idiot.

Posted by: redskins0and16 | January 30, 2008 01:25 PM

You are going to bring up that played out Tom Brady 6th round stat and then call someone else an idiot? 95% of the time 6th round picks are worthless.

Just because you are a huge fan of talking bobble head Chris Burman and he repeasts that stat everytime he is on TV doesn't mean that ever happens.

Welcome to football hell Mooch.

Does anyone think that at this point they are just interviewing people to see how the fans react. Fassel = the fans react poorly so let's put him on the back burner. Meeks and Mooch = fans aren't as angry about them so let's see if they will work.

You canned Williams. Nobody who you pick will be as popular was Williams. Just be a man, pick who you think is best and let's wrap this up.

Some good points posted about how the game has evolved to emphasize passing much more. Pats and Colts are passing teams. The teams w/ the best reg. season records in NFC this year, Dallas and the Pack, also got there primarily through the air. Maybe nobody in history ran better than the Vikes, who ran out of steam fast w/ no way to score through the air. Does having a back like LT really make a difference like it did back in the day? And you sure don't need to be smash mouth run first to dominate the NFC East -- the Eagles of the early 2000s were anything but.

"Redskin football" can and should evolve, whoever is our coach and whatever the system is. I loved the glory days of the Diesel, Byner/Riggs, and even our few big "Believe in Stephen" years. But let's not be afraid to move on with the rest of the NFL. Just win baby, whatever you do.

***I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE THIS IS LONG, BUT I REALLY WANT YOUR FEEDBACK, PLEASE***

The way I see it, Snyder is doing everything he can to live up to his word when he promised continuity.

PLAN A

Greg Williams was his #1 choice - He interviewed the guy 4 times. However, for whatever reason, that didn't work out and Snyder had to move to plan B.

PLAN B

So how do you live up to your word and provide continuity if you are bringing in an outside coach? When you hire a new coach, he's going to want to bring in a staff of his choosing and thats going to blow everything up.... The answer:

PLAN B - STEP 1: Hire a GM

You don't hire a coach before a GM. You hire a GM and let him select the coach. Every successful team in the NFL has one. The fans and media have been saying the team needs one for years. So you know what Snyder does? He hires Cerrato to the role (although he has another title). As JLC previously wrote - this is the beginning of the Cerrato era. The skins will sink or swim based on how well Cerrato fills the role of a GM. If he does well (and i beleive he will) then we all have nothing to complain about. If he fails, then Snyder has legitimate grounds to fire him and hire someone else. Up until now, there has been no clear person to give credit to or assign blame to in the front office. Now, we really get to see if Cerrato is as good as he has made Snyder beleive he is.

PLAN B - STEP 2
Keep as much of your current staff as you possibly can. This will ensure continuity and you don't have to worry about hiring a coach and having him try to blow everything up. Disagreements which could have arisen if the skins hired a HC first are now avoided. (For example, if Cerrato wanted the defense to stay in-tact but the new HC (such as Meeks or Schwartz) wanted to change everything up, there would be immediate turmoil behind the scenes as the two opposing sides fought over how the defense should look.) Now, whatever HC coach comes in WILL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HE IS GETTING INTO. The new coach is FORCED to carry out Snyders word and provide continuity.

PLAN B - STEP 3
Hire the HC and let the man go to work and IMMEDIATELY start working on personnel issues. The first few months of any new HC is usually eaten up by installing the staff he wants, reviewing the roster to figure out who can stay and who needs to go. Well guess what, all that is pretty much done. Whoever the new HC is, he can essentially pick up where Gibbs left off, make a few changes, and this team shouldn't take too many steps back as the players adjust to a new HC.

Oh, and people may point out how my whole opinion on this matter is wrong because of firing saunders and signing Zorn... the offense was mostly horrible for the past 4 years. Whether Gibbs stayed or left, does anyone TRULY think Saunders was going to be here next year? The players on this team DID NOT fit the mold of a typical Al Saunders offense. For Al Saunders to really be successful here, the whole offensive roster would have had to have been blown up... and Campbell really isnt a good fit for a Saunders offense. This offense is going to be built around Jason Campbell for the next decade. Do you know what that's called? Continuity.

EVERYTHING Snyder has done since Joe Gibbs resigned has been to provide this team with continuity... and he's been continually bashed for it... but why? Snyder is not some crazed lunatic hell-bent on destroying this franchise. He's been the owner of an NFL team for the better part of a decade. The NFL would probably be on strike right now if it weren't for Snyder GIVING OF HIMSELF FINANICALLY so that the cheap, lower-revenue teams didn't ruin the greatest sport in NFL history by failing to reach an agreement this past spring. The man is NOT SELFISH. He's not a fool. He knows what he is doing. And as far as I can tell, he is a man of his word, doing everything in his power to provide this team with continuity. I say give the man a break, stop stressing, and just wait to see what good things come.

i can NOT believe people mistook jason for jason! WTF rookies!!! jason's post was actually coherent while jason just makes excuses for his spelling, grammar. my boy jason here actually changed his son's daiper and wrote a coherent piece! aint no way jason would've done that. we seen him broke his toes, no not skiing but WALKING! AT HOME! so no that wasn't jason.

jason, you know i kid cuz i like right?!

I know Larry Brooks doesn't have the job yet. The operative word here is YET.

And thank you Darrel Green for supporting my previous post:

From 28 at XLII Darrel Green's Super Bowl Blog

Wednesday Morning ...
I'm heading in to my Sterling, Va., office. This morning when I woke up the only thing on my mind was the big announcement. I must confess, for some reason over the last few days I've started to experience a little bit of anxiety about the big question, "To be or not to be a 2008 Pro Football Hall of Fame selectee?" To take my mind off the big announcement -- if you don't mind -- I'm going to write about the Redskins.
First, congratulations are in order to Dan and Tonya Snyder for making the Redskins the richest franchise on the planet. No matter how you look at it they are winners, period.
I've enjoyed watching them pull together their new coaching staff. It reminds me of how Lee Marvin picked his team in the 1967 movie, The Dirty Dozen. In the movie, each man was picked individually and with a specific skill for a specific task to meet the team's goal. Now, if I am right and this is what they are doing, then I applaud it because this way there is no place to hide for anyone. Every coach, just like every player, is in an independent contractor with full accountability to the owner and the owner alone. I think this is a great formula for success as it makes everyone pull their own weight with no relational hiding places as when a head coach hires everyone.
What about this talk about them needing to hire a GM to win big? Hogwash! I don't agree. Everybody knows that football is a game of yards and inches. These guys are very close and, trust me, it won't be a GM that puts them over the top. No! It's going to be the play on the field, not a decision in an office that will put them over the top.
"They can win big without a GM!"
Let me hear your thoughts, good or bad. I just want to hear from you.

R-E-D-S-K-I-N-S football in the Superbowl years was smash mouth only when it had to be. By that, I mean, we were physical on both lines from scrimmage and we ran when we had the lead and controlled the clock. If you recall, those offenses often passed first to set up the run after defenses figured out Riggins. The short passes to Monk, Clark, Sanders, etc were more prevalent. Only when DB's played them tight did we go deep straight up or play action and go deep. I agree the game has evolved but some of the old principles still work in today's game. You have to be creative as play callers and not be predictable. And pressuring QB's, forcing turnovers and playing good special teams remain crucial. The 2 teams on Sunday have lines who can run and pass block on O and pressure the passer on D. And for those who think New England is all about the pass, look at Maroney's production in the AFC championship. Yes, their receivers did work but Maroney and the O-line won that game in the trenches.

I don't think there was a 5-hour meeting between Meeks and Snyder/Cerrato. The plane was only on the ground for 3 hours 43 minutes.

Most likely since they reportedly met for dinner it was under 3 hours. Sounds more like a goodbye than a real interview.

Meeks is out.

I love how people criticize our "wasted" picks....especially those precious 7th rounders.

Posted by: ptoro | January 30, 2008 01:22 PM

yeah....6th rounder Tom Brady really sucks..

Idiot.

Posted by: redskins0and16 | January 30, 2008 01:25

First of all, no need for the name calling....douche.

So, you think Jordan Palmer is the next Tom Brady? C'mon man....you can't be that stupid.

I love how people criticize our "wasted" picks....especially those precious 7th rounders.

Posted by: ptoro | January 30, 2008 01:22 PM

yeah....6th rounder Tom Brady really sucks..

Idiot.

Posted by: redskins0and16 | January 30, 2008 01:25 PM

You are going to bring up that played out Tom Brady 6th round stat and then call someone else an idiot? 95% of the time 6th round picks are worthless.

Just because you are a huge fan of talking bobble head Chris Burman and he repeasts that stat everytime he is on TV doesn't mean that ever happens.

Thank you Sams3.

The next Derek Anderson? Maybe, maybe not. The next Casey Bramlett? Quite likely.

Posted by: tafka | January 30, 2008 01:54 PM

And that is exactly why it is important to have a great GM. Remember Bobby Beathard?

Famous for finding guys in late rounds that turned into Pro Bowlers. It's ok that you are satisfied with mediocrity, I am not. I've seen excellence in DC and expect it.

Posted by: redskins0and16 | January 30, 2008 01:58 PM

You've seen excellence in DC and expect it, but yet your screen name is redskins 0-16. Wow.

We've gone through an offensive coordinator (Norv), Interim (Robiskie), veteran (Marty), BallCoach (Spurrier), Legend (Gibbs). Now we turn to a guy who could win with good players (SF) but not with lousy players (Giants). Who cares what guy they hire, the Nationals go to Spring Training in a few weeks. Can we start concentrating on them?

Redskins Nation - whine until our voices are heard.

The folks who are whining about the whining just don't get it.

Who they bring in as the coach is immaterial. We've had Turner, Spurrier, Schottenheimer, Gibbs. All these guys (save Spurrier) have track records as decent to great coaches. I'm sure whoever else they bring in whether it is Fassel or Mooch or Meeks will be a qualified candidate. THE POINT IS THAT WE NEED MORE THAN 2 YEARS TO BUILD A WINNING TEAM AND SNERRATO JUST DOESN"T SEEM TO GET IT!!!! Snerrato either dumps the coach at the first sign of trouble or they make it so unbearable and impossible to be the head coach that guys quit after 2 years.

When GG was shown the door we lost all continuity and all hope of taking this team to the "next level" based on what we had been building the past few years. The defense was hitting on all cylinders and he would have kept Saunders on board so as not to interrupt Campbell's development.

What we have now is a "start over", and I have no reason to believe at this point that the next coaching group will get more than 2 years to do their gig until Snerrato gets impatient.

THAT IS WHAT WE WHINE ABOUT, AND IF WE ARE BUYING TIX, WATCHING GAMES/PROVIDING RATINGS AND BUYING MERCHANDISE THEN WE HAVE
EVERY RIGHT TO WHINE!

"Um, dunno about you, but i drop $6K annually on this Turd Operation formerly known as the Washington Redskins.

I won't shut up. I've paid (painfully) over the past 10 years for these chimps to destroy my beloved organization.

So go pound sand my friend. If i dont sell of my tickets this year, you can be sure I wont buy a soda, beer, bourbon or bon bon from anything that comes out of that stadium. I hope everyone else does the same. Further, you can be darn sure that no matter what, I WILL NOT be in attendance at the game. Count 2 seats right now that will lay fallow. Maybe then, the Hobbit will figure it out."

Until they start winning then you'll be changing your tune. YOu are doing a good job playing the Randy Quaid/Major League role but Geeez....you whiners need to give it a rest.

I ama HUGE SKINS fan but I also know football well and continuing pre-conceived notions about Snyder and Cerrato that were formed in year 1-3 is silly.

CLEARLY, the Skins did a great job at getting field ready talent without giving away the farm (Heyer, Doughty, Godfrey, HB Blades, Smoot, etc). The Skins draft choices have panned out well. Doesn't any of that have to do with Synder and Cerrato? Of course, unless you have no football knowledge.

How come Blache (co-architect of the Skins D) is the DC, and most of the coaches (Save Gregg Williams, Saunders, Gibbs) have stayed on, if the situation is as dysfunctional as some media has reported.

Why does getting rid of Saunders bother people? If Gibbs stayed and they fired Saunders, everyone would be clapping.

I think if they hire Mooch or Meeks we're in great shape.

Hmm. I'm watching a live broadcast on NFL Network where Favre & Mooch are jokingly going back & forth about what each of them is going to be doing next season. At about 3:59pm EST, the following word for word exchange breaks out on the LIVE set.

******************
Deion: Can you ask Mooch something? Because he, he, he won't tell us, but he probably tell you

Eisen: Oh boy, good set up.

Favre: (Gives Deion a fist pound) This has been eatin' at me. I was just wondering if you're going to leave this set....to go on to...I don't think bigger and better things, but that's what I've heard from you. That you wanted to leave the...

Mooch: Yeah, I'm going to Southern Miss.

Favre: You couldn't handle that job (laugh). But maybe, ah...you know what I'm talkin' about. Is there a....

(Misc chit chat)

Mooch: I'm goin gto lie to you (Favre) just like you lied to me

Favre: You need a coordinator?

Mooch: Do you want a coach?

Favre: So what are you going to do?

Mooch: What am I going to do?

Favre: Right.

Mooch: Oohhh, ho jeez...you put me on the spot there. (laughs break out on the set)

Favre: I guess that means there's something out there I guess?

(Mooch sinks his head and smiles)

Favre: I'd hire Mooch, I think he'd make a great coach.

(Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah- Favre talks about Mooch's "X's" and "O's" ability, rah-rah factor....whatever)

Rich Eisen: Do the packers play the Redskins next year? We don't know? Packers don't play the Redskins next year.

Favre: Well, if I come back, he (Mooch) better hope not (laughing on set ensues).

*******************

Mooch's body movement, selective speech and eye contact (or lack thereof) suggests that he knows something that everyone else doesn't. And where the hell did Eisen's comment come from out of the blue?

Good or bad, Snyder, C-Boy & Mooch have already discussed whatever it is that they're going to do.

Trying not to play detective, but this fits along with what has been reported in the past day or 2.

Adam Schefter of NFL.com is reporting that Snyder is meeting with Mooch right now in Arizona.

Nice job JLC for bringing this to light. Also, Mooch seemed to be very political in his answers to Rich Eisen about taking the Redskins job.

I bet he gets it. The fan reaction to him has been much better than Fassel.

I love it when people who call themselves fans say "'Skins fans should just shut up and deal ... it's Dan's team and blah, blah, blah" Snyder is a friggin' weasel, and when that monstrosity of a stadium in ol' RalJohn is empty, and the games are blacked out on TV, we'll see whose team it is! Ever since the Belt-buckle kid came to town in '99 the 'Skins have been the laughing stock of the NFL. Why should this coaching search be any different? And, oh by the way, in case anyone has forgotten, Mooch is a ROTTEN COACH!! That's why he has no job!! If Dan - the boy wonder - believes so strongly in 2nd chances, he should have given Gregg Williams a shot. All Mooch is going to do is A.) Get paid B.) Stink up the joint C.) Get canned D.) Blame Snyder & Co. and E.) Go back to TV! It's called the Dan Snyder retirement plan baby -- just ask the Ol' Ball Coach, Marty, Deion Sanders, Bruce Smith, Al Saunders and the whole laundry list of loser who have rode into town with no intention or ability to do anything, stole Danny's money, and vanished like a fart in the wind. WE ARE DOOMED - AGAIN. Screw the DanSkins! -- Go Wizards!

"You are going to bring up that played out Tom Brady 6th round stat and then call someone else an idiot? 95% of the time 6th round picks are worthless..."

Posted by: sams3 | January 30, 2008 02:15 PM

Dude, are you even a Redskins fan?! How about Kedric Golston and Anthony Montgomery (destined to be our STARTING DT's next year for about $400,000 each -- that's minimum wage, friend) Both of those guys were late round picks (5th and 6th, maybe); EVERY FRIGGIN DRAFT PICK IS PRECIOUS -- Ask the Patriots!!!!!!!!!

Maybe now that Joe Gibbs has had a few weeks with his family, Snyder can talk him into coming back. After three interviews, of course.

Please stop the venting--IT WON'T DO ANY GOOD. I would like to know if they hire Meeks--a defensive coach--- as the HC then you have a defensive loaded coaching staff and only one OC--who has JUST been promoted to OC. If he hires the Mooch--an offensive coach then they MIGHT make it work. If they hire Meeks who does anyone think should be hired to help a defensive --Meeks__minded coach? It seems to me the offense needs attention. I would be interestd in you opinions.