First?

beep beep!

No, that doesn't seem right, does it?

What a mess of a situation.

Another fine mess the Boy King has gotten us into...

This blows! THe problem with the wait and see approach is what coaching staff will the new head coach be able to assemble after the Super Bowl considering all other HC positions have now been filled and the staffs are being assembled?

My first choice as HC was Williams. However, with the way this thing has seemingly played out, part of me (albeit a small part) would enjoy seeing him stick it to Snyder/Cerrato and take the Jaguars HC position.

Hey Jasno. Love ya dude but this ridiculous. Its all speculation and last night you posted that Fassel was to named HC;this was false.

Give GW the job...end of story.

Oops, I meant jags DC position

from the last post, this is truely a great website

http://www.firesnyderandfassel.com/

Heaven help us all!

I can't believe this owner made billions as a marketing genius... The Redskins botch ever PR opportunity and have pissed away whatever team spirit Williams inspired in the wake of Taylor's death. Who would want to coach for this guy? Isn't an overhaul a defacto acknowledgement of rebuilding the team?

This hurts my head.

What makes Jim Fassel such a proven coach? I guess that's the $5 Million Question.

It's a sad day when you can't lock up Jim Zorn.

If all of these rumors are true, if I were GW, I wouldn't want the job either - too sloppy seconds. BUT, even if they couldn't get the threesome going, I still think that they will go with Fassel.

This is unreal. The one thing Gibbs brought back to this organization was stability and it finally appeared Snyder was "getting it". Fassel would be the biggest mistake since Spurrier. We gained all this "team" momentum at the end of the year and now he is going to blow it all up. Williams got an incredible amoutn out of a Defense that was suspect at many positions. This all sickens me.

If it isn't going to be Williams, go with a young newbie (Schwartz, Meeks, Grimm--heck, why not interview Byner or someone else internal to the organization). But for goodness sake, Fossil????

I've said it before, but it bears repeating. I hate Snyder. There...I feel a little better up here!

I thought ya'll hated Greg Williams...

Remember...Greggggggg, "Man Boobs", Adam Archuleta, wasn't he blamed for Antonio Pierce and Ryan Clark leaving, didn't the players say he had a big ego and he thought anyone could play in his system?

Now he's the second coming of Lombardi!

"Back then the didn't want me...now I'm hot they all on me."
- Mike Jones

I am having serious doubts about the owner and his choice of head coach. Does he not have a clue that the thought of Fassel as head coach turns our stomaches? Does he not realize that this will alienate the teams fan-base and players and make them resent him, the owner?
There's a line of thought that 'oh, everyone will forget once we start winning'. Well, we saw where that got us with all of the head coaches before Gibbs in the Dan S. era.

Dan - it's your team on paper, but it's the fan's team in reality. Do what you want, but Skins fans will be resenting you for years if you choose a head coach because of your personal inclinations instead of what's actually best for the team.

Joe Gibbs comes back to try to lend some stability and direction to the franchise. He has mixed success, but at least seemed to have the team going in the right direction. And the idiot owner and his puppet have blown it in two weeks. What a couple of scum sucking morons Snyder and Cerrato are. Unbelievable.

I know I'd be happy with the Pats OC McDaniel. I don't understand all the support for Williams. This team has been poorly coached on both sides of the ball for several years. Time for a change! McDaniel is the next young genius. Do you really think Darth Hoody would let him call the plays if he wasn't legit?

if $nyder doesn't hire from within (ie keep williams), all the gains we made in the last 2 years (in re stability, consistency, confidence) are immediately lost, and this team can look forward to 3 more 8-8 (or worse) seasons.

what does fossil bring to the table other than a mediocre record and a history of being fired?

John-info, there ARE some owners who take the public trust aspect of sports franchise ownership seriously. But we already know that Danny Boy isn't one. He's a selfish, greedy SOB and this team will never be really successful with him as owner. Redskins fans have to deal with that. On a positive note, the Wiz and Caps appear to be on the upswing and the Nats may be promising in a year or two. The best thing that could happen for the Redskins would be that there is actually some competition for sports fans hearts and dollars in this town.

A clarification - my take is that the reaction that has been "pointed" is to a.) Snyder and the way the process has been conducted, b.) the promotion of Cerrato, and the fact that now any potential HC has to be willing to play footsie with Vinny, and c.) selecting someone other than Gregg Williams, who is no more a known quantity for success than Williams, and in the process blowing up the coaching staff and team (by switching to a 3-4 DC vs. 4-3, etc.). It has not primarily been an anti-Fassel "pointed" reaction.

This could be a blessing in disguise that Snyder didn't offer them obscene amounts of money to sway guys who don't want to be here in the first place. New articles coming out on...

www.paulgoespop.typepad.com

Yep, if fassel is hired woth out the triumvirate then he will have to scramble for coordinators.

Can anyone say the name BILLICK?

Flag on this whole situation

What a god-forsaken disaster. It's taken all of two weeks for this organization to return to complete dysfunction. I see absolutely no reason for any optimism for the forseeable future.

Why is Snyder hesitant on Williams: 17-31 record as a head coach with zippy playoff appearances.

Fassel went to a Super Bowl. There are a lot of head coaches that never even sniffed a Super Bowl. I don't understand why fans are so upset by the idea that he'd be our next head coach. Would you rather Snyder make the sexy choice?

Zorn rejecting the Skins would be a dumb move by him - you don't give up that $ for a job with more power than the one you currently have.

Markin21132,

Thanks for posting the brownie recipe. It's the only useful, reliable information I've gotten off this site since Joe Gibbs went over the hill.

Wait, is it reliable? Hmmm. Are there more ingredients to be named later? This isn't a lateral transfer for the can of chocolate syrup, is it? Did you get this from a reliable source, and if so why won't she reveal her name? Can we trust Mrs. Markin21132 or is this her agent speaking, trying to get her a promotion in her present position?

And, after the last two weeks on RI, it looks to me like you've recycled some of the posts up here -- chopped nuts optional.

What Snyder has failed -- and failed miserably -- is that the Redskins are not about him. Of all the franchises in the NFL, this is a fan-driven team. We love good Redskin football, not a circus.

One question I have is about the Gibbs-Snyder relationship? What was that? It seemed weird, and of course at the end of the day Gibbs was 31-36. That's below .500.

Snyder is unrealistic, arrogant and he believes his money, his cigars, his steak-dinners and sightings with Tom Cruise will make all of this OK.

Is there such a thing as an Owner's Anonymous meeting? Snyder needs help. He just doesn't get it.

Based on the last 4 years, here is "The G. Williams Defense"
1. D-lineman who either cannot rush the QB at all, or get pushed PAST the QB on almost every pass play.
2. D-backs who either cannot cover, or NEVER turn to see the ball as it is getting to the receiver
3. The ALL TIME RECORD for fewest turnovers forced and sacks in the SAME SEASON

Fassel has been sitting around since he lost the giant job. Does his Ravens stint even count. There is zero interest in him except by the Skins. JG2 wasn't that great compared to JG1 but at least we had credibility. If the Giants lose to Tampa in the playoffs is there even interest in Spagnuolo? I'm all for continuity.

I can't wait until everyone on this blog chokes on their words.

A multi-layered SHABINGUS! [shabingi? shabinga? shabingus'? shabinguses? shabinginaters?]

Fandom's issue is not with Fassel...I think it's the frustation of knowing that whatever stability, chemistry, unity, hope...call it what you will...from the season ending run is gone and we are back in Danny and Vinny's bizarro-world NFL. In that 4-game run and even in a playoff loss, folks were proud to be Skins fans...the franchise was respected again. And, now it's all gone. In two weeks, the two-headed beast has undone what Gibbs painstakingly put back together. The whole joke of the HC search process is an ugly reminder of what Redskins football was under Snyder before Gibbs and what it will be now that he's gone. Meet the New Danny....same as the Old Danny.

Who of any material NFL substance would want to come to work for this organization after watching the way the Daniel has performed in each of is HC discussions dating to his acquisition of the Team? Who? The fact that this proud fan base and franchise as a whole is now the "laughingstock" of the league is despicable. Daniel Snyder shoulders 100% of the blame for keeping charlatans like Cerrato as his EVP lap dog. "Snyder Must Go" is a cheer that should echo through Fed-Up on opening day in September. We deserve a lot better than this pant-load.

And this "pointed" reaction is not primarily pro-Williams either, in my opinion, but more pro-continuity - choosing a guy who has presumably learned something from his bad HC experience in Buffalo, and from watching Gibbs for 4 years.

I can't wait until everyone on this blog chokes on their words.

Posted by: sams3 | January 24, 2008 11:32 AM

What are you wishing for here? Everybody? Pro-fassel and anti-fassel alike? Pro-williams and anti-williams? Mark who gave us the nice brownie recipe? Even you?

Why is Snyder hesitant on Williams: 17-31 record as a head coach with zippy playoff appearances.

Fassel went to a Super Bowl. There are a lot of head coaches that never even sniffed a Super Bowl. I don't understand why fans are so upset by the idea that he'd be our next head coach. Would you rather Snyder make the sexy choice?

Zorn rejecting the Skins would be a dumb move by him - you don't give up that $ for a job with more power than the one you currently have.

Posted by: CMoney1 | January 24, 2008 11:27 AM

C;

It is because no one 'up here' wants a rebuilding year. Its because learning whole new offensive and defensive systems will take our team a step back.

We made the playoffs, tweaking is needed not an overhaul

So we are re building again... I just do not understand this Fossil pick. The guy is barely over 500 for his career and is no spring chicken... He got fired from his last 2 jobs and hasn't coached in 3 years??? In his last season as a HC he was 4-12 for F*cks sake!!! If Danny wanted to blow it up why not go with a guy a little younger that hasnt already proved he is mediocre at best...

What really blows me away is how 2 faced Snyder is talking all that garbage about how he was not going to change things and wanting continuity... SNYDER YOUR A LIAR!!!
We can all forget about Gibbs ever even showing his face at Redskins park since he endorsed continuity and giving Williams a shot...

I don't want Fassel either, but then again Wade Phillips didn't have much of a resume either, and he went 13-3 his first year. Also, I had never heard of the Green Bay coach until he went 13-3 his 2nd year. A new system doesn't always take 5 years to learn

bbake --

What did the 2005 season ending run get us? Zippy. This team has underperformed for 4 years. Why is it so shocking that coaches would be fired?

I don't support stability just for stability's sake.

We have two stooges.. we need just one more.. i guess that's what they're looking for..

This fiasco is partly the fault of Joe Gibbs who left this team in a real lurch without a succession plan! All this talk about stability and the need to maintain continuity is alot of rubbish! Synders comment "If it aint broke, don't fix it" was a lie by a small-minded, football ignoramus! Skins need to promote Williams for a one year term. If he fails to improve the team then hire Cowher in 2009 and start to rebuild the team!

sams,

I can't wait until you slip on a banana peel and break your neck.... O'doyle rules!

Again, even if he were to name Gregg Williams head coach in 2 weeks, does it make up for this clusterfart of a process?

Remember 06 when just a new o corrdinator came in? Howd that work out.

And swftt, the bad year of defense was b/c it was trying to make up for that horrible O in 06.

Williams had two top 5 defense and the 8th this year. One off year and you want to point to that? Success rate is 75% and you wanna bash him?

talent_evaluator, I am talkin about everyone who is being rediculous. It's like everyone on this blog is 7. You are one of the few reasonable people left.

All the other resonables havn't been posting recently and I can't say I blame them. I can't even read this anymore until all the 1 time posters with no valid opinions go away again.

I am still under the impression that until something ACTUALLY happens perhaps reserving judgement is the best plan of action. What if one year from now, Fassell is named coach of the year, and we win the East? Wont this all seem somewhat foolish?

Can't we wait until the bullets start flying for real before we're running around like chicken littles? Am I asking too much?

RickyBobby, I usually like your posts. Breaking my neck is a little harsh.

Danny, it would have been so simple.

Promote Williams, give him a year, get Cower in 09 if he doesn't pan out. Keeps all the fans happy.

Big mess now!

I am so f-ing done with this team if they hire Fassel. He's an absolute moron. But he
would be a great puppet.

gregmarino88, you are added to my list of being resonable. The talk on this blog is so insane that even if he went 1-15 this would still rediculous.

sams - that is when I start posting again. We get a new post. We get about 30-40 posts from seldom to 1 time posters. Then the people who are normally on this blog begin posting again.

Mark - thanks for the brownie recipe. I'll have to try that along with the Chocolate-Caramel Pecan pie from yesterday. Looks like a busy weekend.

Look, Gibbs 2.0 was not that great. In fact, it was downright mediocre or worse. But the fact that he was able to craft 2 winning seasons and 2 playoff appearances now seems somewhat amazing. Restoring respect and dignity to the franchise and keeping Danny and Vinny at bay for 4 years is almost as impressive as his 3 SB wins with 3 different QBs. He should get another bust in Canton for this tour of duty. No wonder he seems so happy now!

Look at it on the bright side. If you don't have any coaches, the Dolphins can't steal them.

Zebra:

He is 17-31 as a head coach, and in 06 he was in charge of one of the worst defenses of all time, based on turnovers and sacks (pretty important categories in this era of the NFL). I would not call that 75% successful

sams--

When I'm considered one of the reasonable people, we are in trouble.

And breaking your neck is not at all harsh by RickyBobby standards. It's kind of like in the theater the way they wish some one luck, "break a leg."

Anyway, this will blow over. It always has. Sween will be back, nate will be back, diddy will be back, freakzilla and kost, etc.

BC, you are the man. How can you argue the value of insight such as this??????????

I am so f-ing done with this team if they hire Fassel. He's an absolute moron. But he
would be a great puppet.

Posted by: sallyjup | January 24, 2008 11:41 AM

Yes greg you are, and I would be happy to swallow that pill, but thats a hard pill to find. The more likely outcome is the one most are lamenting up here.

And Please Please will peeps stop talking about Wade Phillips. Lets see how good of a coach he is without his coordinators. They luckily kept Garrett and he is already being groomed to take over for phillips in a few years.

Once again, the brilliant Dan Snyder has made a mess of the Redskins organization. If I'm Gregg Williams, I clean out my office and leave today, offer or no offer. The Skins D has finished in the top 10 for 3 out of the 4 years Williams has been here and he's being treated like this? So much for continuity. Snyder is basically saying that he wants to blow up the foundation that Gibbs has laid out over the last 4 years. The fact that the Giants made the Super Bowl this year shows that the Skins are not that far off considering the Skins outplayed the G-Men twice last season. If Snyder hires anyone but Williams, expect another decade of non-Gibbs mediocrity my fellow Skins fans.

But what does it say for the coaches we currently do have if the Fins aren't stealing them? Oh nevermind, I forgot most of the coaching staff is some kind of Asst HC.

This is like Lord of the Rings, Return of the King. So long and drawn out! Except in our case we have no idea who the King will be.

Every other team in the league has passed on Fassel, is Snyder smarter the everyone else?

Like I keep saying if you not going with Williams cool. If you are going to blow everything up go with someone young.

Sams3

I am with you why continue with the mediocre direction this team has been going in for the last 4 years. I think even had Gibbs stayed it would have been another 9-6 at best. Williams will be no better and of course the players want him they do not want to have to compete for positions with another coach. Lets face it we need a shake up plain and simple and for all you out there who want to give up your tickets your not real fans anyway. I would go young coordinator McDaniels or if you like Rex Ryan bring him in as HC.

Every other team in the league has passed on Fassel, is Snyder smarter the everyone else?

Posted by: bobmilldevils | January 24, 2008 11:45 AM

Every other team in the league has passed on Williams, too. So what?

t_e, you're quite reasonable even though you're wrong whenever you and I argue :-)

This'll blow over. Come late April, we'll have another boneheaded decision to mull over, and come September we'll have even more boneheaded decisions PLUS some fourth quarter collapses to mull over. It's not that we ever get resolution, we simply transfer and build upon our anger from decision to decision.

BBake, you are right. Gibbs 2.0 looks even better now when we vividly see again the complete idiots he had to deal with in management. People are not so much anti-Fassel as they are disgusted by this process, the seeming willingness to blow everything up AGAIN and start over and Snyder's lie about if it ain't broke don't fix it. And the hope that Snyder and Cerrato had learned something from Gibbs is now irreparably dashed. What a sad day it was when that twerp got the Washington Redskins.

All this flack for Fassell, or not Fassell, and anti-Danny is amazing.

Let the process carry itself out... If GG bolts, so be it. What proof is there he is the answer. he might be OK... He might get the job.

Fassell might be OK if he gets the job.

Does anyone recall that all of last year and MOST of this year, Giant fans HATED Coughlin and HATED Eli...

Hmmmmm... maybe the fans were a little to rabid

... just maybe

New "Snickers Charged"...created for the RI coked up hamsters!

http://www.9news.com/news/watercooler/article.aspx?storyid=85009

McDaniels has said he won't be interviewing this year. He may change his mind after a 19-0 season, but that's what he has said repeatedly. I think McDaniels would be a fine, fine, fine choice for any organization.

Every other team in the league has passed on Williams, too. So what?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 24, 2008 11:47 AM

He is currently under contract, once he is released he will have a job.

I know I don't get on here a lot, but I have been a fan of this team for 26 years. I've seen a lot and been to a ton of games in person at RFK. Seen some excellent Redskins football -- as a lot of us here have.
Since Gibbs left in 1993 and Kent Cooke left his son in the lurch with his will, the Skins have not been the same. Moving to that ugly stadium in the middle of nowhere in Maryland didnt help.
But that said, even when the Redskins struggled during Gibbs I, they NEVER went through a possible overhaul like this. Why? BECAUSE THEY HAD A GENERAL MANAGER (Beathard and Casserly... and good assistants) and a SOLID FRONT OFFICE STRUCTURE in place. They didn't have the dog and pony freak show we have now that overreacts at everything.
The 2005 Skins playoff team had a lot of problems. However, this 2007 team had potential and I think was coming together to do some better things next year.

Snyder belongs on Romper Room. He has ants in his pants. He doesn't belong as an owner of the Washington Redskins.

I've heard Snoop Dog wants to pursue a coaching career. I'm not sure about his relationship with Vinny though

"Daniel Snyder and Vinny Cerrato met again late last night figuring their next plan of attack."

Where? at the local Chucky Cheese?

See? I told you diddy would be back! The voice of reason, usually, except when I have to whack him for an occasional lapse. ;)

Diddy, did you read Mossberger's review of the new Mac in today's Wall Street Urinal? Must be one hot machine -- my 14 year old daughter is already poking me when the commercials come on tv.

This trend towards "energy-infused" food is disturbing on so many levels. In 10 years, the entire country will be a bunch of fat, over-caffeinated slobs who mindlessly follow the herd mentality and consider Britney Spears sightings to be important news events.

Uh, wait...

There have been a handful of coaching geniuses in football history. It's all about the talent on the field. Fassel won't win any more games than Gibbs did ( probably less, actually) until we get better players at some key positions.
DS needs to realize that by getting rid of Saunders, he's effectively made Todd Collins useless. Todd is only in the league because he knows that offense. If he has to start over, he's as good to us as Tom Flick or Kim McQuilken is. NOw what do we do for a backup quarterback?
This whole situation sucks.

Williams is not going to just leave. There's way too much money involved whether he's H.C. or not. i'm sure if he walks now, he leaves the bonus money behind.

Thanks sams3, I mean, there is nothing that has happened yet. They're interviewing candidates, they're not rushing into something without due dilligence. Sometimes, no matter what you do, people are going to find fault with it.

We're 3 months until the draft, and 7 months until training camp. Can't we be patient enough to see what they can do as a team when that time comes before passing judgement?

Every other team in the league has passed on Williams, too. So what?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 24, 2008 11:47 AM

Williams has been employed since he was fired as head coach. Nobody questions Williams' tactical brilliance. It's not very encouraging when a candidate can't find job elsewhere, even at a lower level.

He is currently under contract, once he is released he will have a job.

Posted by: bobmilldevils | January 24, 2008 11:51 AM

Umm other teams can request permission to interview him for HC jobs.

He is currently under contract, once he is released he will have a job.

Posted by: bobmilldevils | January 24, 2008 11:51 AM

Not as head coach.

Read my lips, no new taxes...

Sorry wrong guy.

Must be "if it isn't broken..."
DannyBoy.

Must be the town.

t_e, I did read the review. I was down at MacWorld and got to play with it for quite some time. I'm looking forward to having one. It's an unnecessary extravagance, to be sure, but it's gorgeous and shiny :-)

sorry i meant to say williams has been employed throughout since he was fired as HC.

rjdeluke: yeah sure,we should all trust Danny Boy and Vinny the puppet because their decisions so far have been so brilliant. What a mess

Does Danny-boy really understand the contempt that the Redskins fans have for him? All he needs to do is have his lacky-VP Vinny read the posts and listen to the TV and radio.

Dan: If you give a damn about the Redskins fans, grovel at the feet of Gregg Williams and apologize for the pathetic way that you and Vinny have treated him, -- and beg him to take the job (unless you can buy Bill Cowher).

Its GW or Cowher. The Skins fans (who pay the freight) deserve nothing less.

And put some state-of-the-art HD video screens in FedEx with replays like Green Bay has! You've certainly made enough off of us to afford them!

He is currently under contract, once he is released he will have a job.

Posted by: bobmilldevils | January 24, 2008 11:51 AM

Umm other teams can request permission to interview him for HC jobs.

Posted by: JoeyV | January 24, 2008 11:53 AM

Do you think Snyder would give them permission? GG will take a year off and get paid.

thank you bob, we would have to give grilliams permission to talk to others, which we didnt since he is a candidate and under contract.

I truly feel bad for him. They wont let him out of his contract until they find their new head coach, and other positions are being snapped up while he is kept in the dark. That is the classlessness of Vinny and Dan.

and swiftit, i dont really care what his coaching numbers were at buffalo. Different team different time. I know he established three great seasons on Defense compared to one horible one. Did you sour on Gibbs b/c of 2006?

Why hasn't Jason Garrett been interviewed yet?

Can't we wait until the bullets start flying for real before we're running around like chicken littles? Am I asking too much?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 24, 2008 11:39 AM

Greg, I have to disagree. The way that Snyder has handled this coaching search is beyond farcical. At first, he appeared to have this in hand - he interviewed Schwartz, then the mystery candidate (who we now know to be Fassel), GW at length, and Ron Meeks. Had he stopped there, and named GW the coach, he would have been fine. But no - he also had to interview Mora Jr., Fassel (again), Zorn, and Ryan, all the while leaving GW and the players hanging, and he STILL hasn't made up his mind. This should have been a fairly quick decision, but Snyder is a control freak extraordinaire, and logic just doesn't figure into the situation. Four years ago when Gibbs was hired, everyone knew it was a short term thing, and that he was grooming someone to take over the team in the long term. That someone was Williams. He is not the same coach he was in Buffalo. He has learned some patience and humility but without losing his fire and his backbone. Now that Gibbs has returned to his well-deserved retirement, Snyder wants to blow it all up. Why? What was the point of having Gibbs groom a successor if you're not going to promote him?

People think the sky is falling because, in the 12 years prior to Gibbs' return, the sky fell just about every season. We haven't had a season with more than 10 regular-season wins since 1991-92, and only 2 seasons since then have we gone 10-6. I'm sorry, but in spite of this year's playoff appearance, 9-7 or below is pretty mediocre, and there have been a LOT of mediocre seasons since that last SB win. Redskins fans are TIRED. We're tired of being jerked around, of having the best offseason only to have a mediocre or worse regular season. With Gibbs leaving again, the bottom fell out. Our one shot to keep our roster and our vision intact and consistent was to promote Williams. Now, we're looking at rebuilding - again. Sorry, but we as fans have seen this before, and we know where it leads. So yes, maybe we are jumping the gun on claiming that the sky is falling, but it's not like we haven't seen this pattern before.

Does all this matter? Who cares who's going to coach the team, they'll be mediorce anyway. Let's give it a rest and move on. The Wizards are playing well and Spring Training starts next week. The Redskins, as long as Danny owns them, will never be better than they are now, which is a middle-of-the-road team that sneaks into the playoffs every few years as a wild card and loses early. I say we stop paying attention.

He is currently under contract, once he is released he will have a job.

Posted by: bobmilldevils | January 24, 2008 11:51 AM

Umm other teams can request permission to interview him for HC jobs.

Posted by: JoeyV | January 24, 2008 11:53 AM

umm joeyv, there're no more hc vacancies out there. everyone who had a vacancy thought he was a shoe-in for st. joe's job. so yeah he got screwed. and i'm hoping that snider fires him so double G can cash his 3 mil.

If Snyder is waiting on Spagnuolo, well...his resumes pretty thin.

He's only been a DC for one year.

http://www.giants.com/team/coach.asp?coach_id=10

I'd be ok with McDaniels and Blache....AS LONG AS VINNY IS NOT PICKING THE PLAYERS THE COACH HAS TO WORK WITH.

Let Williams leave, I love the guy, but he has been totally disrespected now. Now way he'd want to stick around and I don't blame him.

Man this is really ugly. Total debacle.

Return of the King is a great movie! And if you didnt already know who the King was you shouldnt have been watching anyway!!!!!!!

Snyder is a soul sucking ring wraith so I understand the dislike and vitrol for him. But I agree everyone chill....your harshing my mellow!

At least save your freak outs until there is hard news. Snyder is Sauron we know this already so getting reupset about is just causing you ulcers.

My dream line-up:

GM: Elrond

Coach: Gandolf

OC: Aragon

DC: Bormir

OL Coach: Samwise

Secondary coach: Legolas

LB Coach: Gimli

sams,

come on, bro. you know I was joking. that's why I added in the O'Doyle rules comment after my comment.

I desperately hope you were right in the long run. shake and bake, baby.

There will always be sychophants. But the huge majority of Redskins fans see what a complete disaster their team's management is and have seen the hope of any Joe Gibbs-created maturity and stability cruelly destroyed in just over a week's time.

"after the way this thing has gone down"

Is the past always the key to the future? Is Snyder forever regarded as a meddlesome rich kid trying to buy a Super Bowl? Does not 4 years with Gibbs, (seeing how he operates) account for anything? Have you forgotten the 4 deep discussions Snyder had with Williams? Do you know what they talked about in those 4 deep discussions?

Heresay and jumping to conclusions, trying to divinate the unknown with qualifiers such as "after the way this thing has gone down" reveals what you think (your bias towards) about Snyder.

Although I am drawn to this blog against my better judgement (like doughnuts), I think I can understand now why Gibbs/ Portis/ Moss made mention of "you all write what you write" (with disdain) in their many interviews.

Why perpetuate negativity towards Snyder when Gibbs always mentioned how good and helpful Snyder was to him and the Redskins?

You made me feel like the Skins are gonna have a 3-13 record next season because Snyder's gonna blow everything up. Thanks!

What a frickin disaster! I think Fassil is the only guy who will even take this job! We are turning into the Atlanta Falcons, nobody wants the job, so they turn to a nobody! Heck, Fassil probably won't take the job after yesterday! Plus, the players are so embarrassed they aren't excited about football anymore! The day Danny learns to respect others opinions, and listen to people who actually know what they are doing, is the day we get are beloved Redskins back!

BEAN PIE!!!!

Why hasn't Jason Garrett been interviewed yet?

Posted by: shanteefamilee | January 24, 2008 11:56 AM

Garrett was the obvious first choice. It's a promotion, hurts the Cowboys, plus...he's the most qualified Coor. in the league.

Anybody that rejects Garret because of his pedigree is as stupid as Snyder.

what a pair of arrogant wannabes, embarrassing a lot of good football people while pursuing their own fantasies. Good thing for DS he made his base money elsewhere 'cause he's shown no aptitude for football, theme parks, or restaurants. Runaway ego with under-qualified sidekick. For our sake, hope they get lucky.

I think Danny Boy should hire the Capitals new coach, Boudreau. He seems pretty good.

It's almost to the point I don't want to make the playoffs any more until the Boy Wonder and the pool boy move on. Everytime we've made the playoffs, Snyder seems to want to make a big splash instead of realizing a playoff team is only a couple games away from being real good. Couple games = Couple Pieces at select positions. The proof is in the pudding, 3 times we've made the playoffs since Gibbs left the 1st time. 1) bring in the hall of fame fantasy team and bring in JEff George after your starting QB made the pro bowl and led you to a division title. 2) when the offense needed only a little tweaking we go get Al Saunders and make people a whole new scheme, which took the Rams and Chiefs 12-18 months to learn and make go like they did. 3) this current fiasco.
Get Williams taken care of and keep what you said Snyder, continuity and stability. This with all the restructuring of contracts will be a little easier when players know that everything looks to be back in place and they can focus on making the improvements necessary to take the next step, this team was 9-7 and could have very easily been 12-4 last year.
Hey Danny Boyy(HELLO MCFLY!!!!)
GO Skins, Caps, Wiz, Terps, and Hoyas
BD

Joe Gibbs did one thing weel this year. He handled the Sean Taylor tragedy. Everything football related was suspect.

If I were Williams, I'd say no thank you and wait to be released.

Leaving, Turner out since Danny inherited him...Under Marty, Spurrier, and Gibbs the team has not performed. So what has been the constant? Snyder and Cerrato (outside Marty's one year here when Vinny was exiled). This model does not work. Get a real football personnel guy in here to pick the coach and the players.

Jazz, you are completely missing the point. What is so devastating is seeing the hope that the two mental midgets would have learned something from Gibbs dashed in just over a week. These two are complete incompetents and, left without adult supervision, are the keystone kops of football. The Gibbs years changed NOTHING.

If we let Olivadatti get away, we'll end up regretting it. If you want to give the team to an unknown, he's a good candidate. He'd also make a fine defensive coordinator, except that Snyder is obsessed with landing a big name, as if that's worked well for him before with players or coaches, Joe Gibbs excluded.

You mean Snerrato's managment moves have blown up in their face?!? Imagine that...

Grilliams seriously can't take the HC position at this point. He's got to figure that if they really really wanted him, they'd have made him the offer. By leaving him dangling it is clear that he's little more than a backup plan if the rest of their moves collapse. And id I were Grilliams I wouldn't want to start my HC career with the Skins on that note. I don't even know what to think of this Fassel bit - an old retread whose stock has been falling ever since his freak Super Bowl appearance.

The only way Snerrato salvages this is if they scoop up McDaniels and he turns into the 2nd coming of Sean Payton.

Also, I think I can tell now why Gibbs wasn't as successful this time around. Sure, a lot of things passed him by, but this franchise is a soul-swinging mess.

Breaking News

After his master plan to hire Fassel, Zorn, and Ryan fell through, Redskins owner Dan Snyder attempted to appease angry fans upset over the decision shake up the organization once again by not Hiring Greg Williams with this shocking decision. "A head coach is not necessary, as we have two talented coordinators under contract, Snyder said". "Although clearly not head coaching material, they are capable enough to take orders from Vinnie, who will be appointed VP and Head Coach of football operations".

Snyder went on to say that he will take the sole responsibility for "throwing the challenge flag", and noted that "I am working closely with Toy's R' Us executives to create a special launching device that will allow me to launch the flag from the comfort of my Luxury Suite"

I love the people who keep pointing out Williams record as HC of Buffalo. May I remind you that Belicheck was hardly a boffo success in his first HC job either.

For all the Gibbs bashers out there, you know who you are, this is why he was the quintessential ringmaster to this circus and probably why he decided to bail early.

so it looks like it's not going to be williams, and hopefully not Fassel. So that leads me to wonder who. I think I like Meeks as HC and switch williams with schwarts for DC ...i don't know who for OC, maybe try to get rick dennison from denver; he's done a great job with that O-line over the years. I'm not sold on McDanials and you could probably only make the coach. I think you could throw elmer fudd in as a patriots assist. and he's look good with that team.

It would seem that Danny has no interest in hearing any fan-base or community feedback unless it already matches his own.

He seems to be censoring the message board access on redskins.com to filter out those who speak truth-to-power.

This guy would fit right into a post in the Bush administration cabinet!

At this point I would not blame GW if he withdrew his name form consideration and packed his ditty for Jacksonville or wherever.

Napoleon needs to meet his Waterloo. A humbling by no one wanting the gig except those that the fan-base will not be receptive to, or welcoming.

Let 'em play in front of empty seats. It worked for fans of the NBA Portland Trail Blazers when owner Paul Allen turned that team into the "Jail Blazers" and fans stopped coming to games. It got owner Paul Allen's attention in a hurry and things were worked out ultimately. Danny should dial-up Paul.

Why is this such a freaking disaster, its called a hiring process for a reason, the job hasn't been offered to anybody yet, so we missed out on Zorn and Ryan, big deal, there are 5-10 other guys in the league just as qualified, so maybe we don't get Fassel, big deal. Snyder hasn't made a mess of anything yet, he is taking his time and trying to figure out what he thinks is best, its real easy for us to sit and scream "hire GG" but then we'll also sit here and kill snyder if manboobs loses for not looking hard enough at other candidates. GG has done nothing to make him the end all and be all of HC candidates, and neither has Fassel or anybody else for that matter. And if Cerrato is finally in charge of the roster completely, than who cares if we wait two more weeks, personnel is still be evaluated and the new coach whoever he is won't have that responsibility anyway, so let Snyder take his time and try and make a good decision. And that certainly isn't just promote Gregg from an overpaid underachieving staff simply cause a bunch of fickle cans are screaming for it, but would change their tune in a second if Gregg started the year 0-3.

So Dan went from having no "Plan B" in the event Coach Joe left to this grand scheme to wrap up three coaches at once with a big pink bow? Brilliant! We ain't gonna be winning next year, at least we got this going for entertainment.

Ding! The Captain has turned on the "Fasten Your Seatbelt" light. You've been allowed to move about the cabin for the past four years. But it looks like things are going to get a little bumpy.

Stability, schmability. We don't need no stinkin' stability!!!!!

I agree that we should wait and see what becomes fact before we go any futher with the speculation. Just look at what happened last night when everyone said that it was a done deal and announcement today. Nothing happened. I do think that they screwed up the process and would make any coach twice about coming here. If not GG then go young and let them build the team.

I agree with Stumped. Seeing Danny Boy and Vinny the puppet operate on their own just shows what Gibbs had to deal with. He went from a great owner and GM in Gibbs 1.0 to dealing with two complete incompetent in Gibbs 2.0. More credit to Gibbs for what he was able to accomplish during his second tenure.

lol fickle cans was supposed to be fickle fans....that's funny

You stay classy Daniel Snyder!!!!

IDIOT!!!!

Dan Synder is an arrogant idiot. He has turned this franchise into a joke. He has alienated the current coaches, players, and most importantly the fans. I for one will no longer be putting any of my money into this team. I can't change my heart but I can sure as hell change how I spend my dollars.

it's pretty clear that they want a pushover. and i have a feeling that even if cowher was available he wouldn't have been contacted cuz he's got a spine.

and yes, we are already eating our words sams3. there's been only one person who's been right about this situation so far and it is lisa. but thank you for sticking around. like i said you and te have provided a great punching bag.

lisa, i thought he would've learned by now. who knew?! he(snider) got lucky during the tech boom and he thinks he's the shtiz.

Save me Jeebus!!

GG is an arrogant prik, absolutlely. But to me that's exactly the kind of guy we want as HC. You know he won't let snyder or vinny the d bag push him around. Fassel would be a hand puppet, nothing more. And GG isn't the dik to players he once was, that is obvious by the fact that even the offensive players have publically called for him to be named HC.

In three out of four years if you take a top five offense and put it with a greg williams defense, you probaly win the division and maybe the super bowl. We are either very close or just as far away.

Hiring Fassel makes no sense. This guy is barely 10 yrs younger than joe, add that to the fact he has run teams into the ground and commanded an offense to a standstill, you have possibly the worst canidate possible. This guy got fired as a Head coach, and an o cordinater so what do we get from hiring him.

Snyder doesn't want Gregg W because he can't deal with a strong personality. We already saw that with Marty. Instead, Fassel is a weakling who just wants to coach and will be a yes man. Just like Vinny the puppet.

wow...this is like a freight train going downhill with no brakes....Despite the fact that absolutely NOTHING has happened...we're doomed, DOOMED I say.

The beat reporter and his blog are getting absolutely ripped to shreds right now on Redskins Radio 730 am. Words like "slander" and "irresponsible journalism" are being throw around and I gotta say, it's hard to disagree with them.

TRACKING THE REDSKINS WITH THE BEAT REPORTER.

Below are updates on the Redskins coaching search from Washington Post's Redskins beat reporter Jason La Canfora. Stay tuned for more updates as we get closer to the end of the search.

"Redskins are interviewing Seattle Qb coach Jim Zorn for an offensive coordinator position. This continues to jibe with what I have heard through this process about Al Saunders possibly being in hot water." Beat Reporter, January 23

"I keep hearing that Jim Fassel is in a great position to get this job" -Beat Reporter, January 22

"Gregg Williams is by far the leading candidate for this job." -Beat Reporter, January 12

"Bill Cowher fits the bill for what Snyder would be attracted to" -Beat Reporter, January 8

"former Baltimore DC Rex Ryan would replace Gregg Williams if it goes down this way" -Beat Reporter, January 22

"The Redskins have still said nothing to Williams and the rest of the coaches and all signs pointing to Fassel." -Beat Reporter, January 22

"This franchise went from 900 million to 1.5 billion since Gibbs came here in 2004. That's the bottom line here. Snyder is not gonna give the head coaching job to someone that doesn't have that big name, that sex appeal, who is not going to help him sell club level seats, and expensive suites." -Beat Reporter, January 8

"I Need A Job Where I Can Just Make Things Up And Create The News" -Beat Reporter, January 21

"In an era of rampant speculation I am being as careful as I can." -Beat Reporter, January 21

"For all of the yapping about continuity and stability, sure sounds like a blood-letting is upon us. Owner Dan Snyder was given multiple opportunities to endorse an in-house candidate, and specifically Gregg Williams, and declined to do so." -Beat Reporter, January 8

"Jim Fassel, former Giants coach and Baltimore assistant, could be getting a look." -Beat Reporter, January 21

"Cowher fits the bill for what Snyder would be attracted to. Now, as I mentioned earlier Cowher would want full roster and personnel control and probably want to bring some of his own people in as well" -Beat Reporter, January 8

"Cowher is off the market...He knows the kind of $$$ Snyder spends and he is not wavering in his stance" -Beat Reporter, January 10

"I'd be stunned if the Skins don't reach out to Cowher soon" -Beat Reporter, January 8

"If it's Gregg Williams, the process will be over in 3-5 days" -Beat Reporter, January 8

"Several NFL sources said that they took the identification of Schwartz as a candidate as another sign that Williams, who the players strongly support, does not appear to be the front runner." -Beat Reporter, January 10

"It doesn't come off as a great sign that they bring in Williams's former assistant, obviously" -Beat Reporter, January 10

"We've just started this process. It's the first interview of many. We need to slow down. It's impossible to see the entire picture right now. It's a fluid situation and this isn't free agency - you don't hire every guy you bring into town." -Beat Reporter, January 10

"I thought he and Gibbs could have sent a much stronger message about the validity of their in house people as candidates at the press conference" -Beat Reporter, January 10

"Wouldn't it be an indictment of this entire Joe Gibbs 2.0 era if Snyder went through the process then handed it over to someone with little-to-no head coaching experience - without at least talking to the in-house guys first" -Beat Reporter, January 10

"Greg Williams will most definitely be a part of the process and, as I posted earlier, he is expected to interview at the end of the cycle, likely the final interview." -Beat Reporter, January 11

"But to this point I do not have anything firm enough to meet the Post's standards" -Beat Reporter, January 12

"It would really be something to have none of Gibbs's guys even get an interview" -Beat Reporter, January 12

"the consensus I keep coming to is Williams is the guy" -Beat Reporter, January 12

"Got an email from one of those on-line casinos with the odds for the next coach of the Skins. It's notable for what it doesn't say more than what it does:

Gregg Williams - 2/1
The Field - 2/1
Bill Cowher - 5/1
Al Saunders - 5/1
Brian Billick - 6/1
Jason Garrett - 9/1
Mike Singletary - 12/1
Rex Ryan - 12/1
Jim Caldwell - 15/1

So, basically, Vegas has no idea at this point" -Beat Reporter, January 9

Here Danny Boy has the chance to really do something that almost no one would criticize (hiring Williams), but his ego and his jealousy get in the way again... And we all really thought he was making progress with this personal issue of his.

Danny Boy just can't stand having to deal with someone who actually knows more about football then they do. Someone who will stand up to him. Someone who is respected by his players. Most of the players think Danny Boy is nothing more that a controlling wanna be, a despot, a jock sniffer. Not giving the job to Williams proves this.

Good luck Gregg, we'll miss you.

Gregmarino: PLENTY has happened. We've seen that without Gibbs, Danny boy and the puppet are just going to go on doing what they did BEFORE Gibbs. Which was a disaster.

I thought Snyder was finally getting it, too. Guess it's time to consider the 'Skins the same as the Angelos/Orioles; as long as Snyder owns this team we are guaranteed middle of the road if not basement status.
Bye-bye Redskins, I used to know you well.

Skins fans have had it with the Vinny BB and Dannyboy show - if they can't get it right this time after Joe Gibbs showed them how to run a football organization, then fans should cancel their season tickets and boycott the games. Let's show Dannyboy that he can't highjack our team any longer. Hail.

We should make williams the coach and make olivadotti the D cordinator. We need to keep gregg at all costs. the defense was great this year, without many key players and i dont think the offense can get any worse than it was in terms of game plan. I dont care who runs the O as long as we keep williams who has proven that he can Make our defense great. i just dont feel that Rex ryan would be able to coach our guys up like williams. every time he faces a huge challenge, he finds a good plan to stop the o.

This whole process is absurd and I cannot believe Snyder and Cerrato could botch this thing up so bad. We have one of the highest paid coaching staffs in the league that are highly qualified to coach in this league and they have had four years experience learning from one of the best Coaches to ever walk the sideline. How do you not quickly and decisively promote GW to the HC position and keep the coaching intact?

And why are Snyder and Cerrato so hasty to get rid of Al Saunders? It seems common knowledge these days that to adjust to a knew OC takes two to three years to master. Saunders is entering is third year, why throw away two years of hard work when the fruit of the labor is about to be experienced.

Let's just do what we always do.......PUNT

Hey - I have no problem with a rebuild. I think you can make an excellent case that GG and 700pgs don't deserve another chance.

BUT

It won't be called a rebuild and player acquisitions will be made as though we are just a player or two away from winning it all.

Fassel is not the guy you hire for a rebuild, although SexyRexy may be.

This remind me very much of the Uncertainty principle.

The cat in the box is neither dead nor alive until the box is opened. That is where we are, looking at a box and wondering, is the cat dead, or alive?

People say that we should overhaul because the team is mediocre at best. Look at the facts, excluding the patriots game, we didnt lose a sing game by more than a touchdown, with a 1st year starter at QB. Once we get a little more expirience and our o line back i think those close losses will turn into wins. i wish we could have given it one yr to see how it went.

If I were GW I woud go coach defense for the Cowboys.

If GG not hire, I could go with Al Sander. He is better than Fassel for sure.

I'm so tired of the Redskins being a laughing stock. We had a four year respite while Gibbs was here. But now I remember how miserable it feels.

This is utterly ridiculous! Coaches, players and fans should all be insulted.

It's taken Danny Boy 2 weeks to erase 4 years of work. He's messing with people's livelihoods. Granted these coaches make alot of money, but he's basically screwed the existing staff out of a job next year. Why would you blow up a team that's made the playoffs 2 of the last 3 years ??

He and his sidekick Vinny have made a joke of this team.

It's embarassing to be a Redskin fan right now.

pogues, they have not hired anyone. They haven't done ANYTHING but interview people, right? What was wrong with that?

They haven't hired anyone. Period. Any preconceived notions that you have that they're going to start acting the fool, aren't valid until they happen.

Lets let this play out a little more, before people jump off a bridge....

Go have a piece of apple pie....

Well, the blogs and media in general have accomplished one thing, by predicting that Fassel will be named HC, Snyder may now do something else, just to prove he's the boss. Add to that the complexity of all the deals he's trying to get done...well, expect the unexpected.

Unfortunately, consciously or unconsciously this seems to be the level we're dealing with.

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Why perpetuate negativity towards Snyder when Gibbs always mentioned how good and helpful Snyder was to him and the Redskins?

You made me feel like the Skins are gonna have a 3-13 record next season because Snyder's gonna blow everything up. Thanks!
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If it squawks like a duck...

RickyBobby, you are the man, as usual.

Hey, Jazz2112: Gibbs says a lot of things in an overstated manor; like Snyder is helpful, the Jets are the toughest team on our schedule, winning a Super Bowl is the hardest thing ever, etc. If you can track down anything negative he's said, please show me...

Snyder is the sole reason for this team's failures. His stubborn stance that the front office structure works is the most misguided, delusional view I think I've ever seen in a person without a mental health defect. It's been nearly 10 years, and you're 9 games under .500: you'd think he would go back to the drawing board by now. The only way for him to show he's finally "getting it" is to hire a qualified (buh-bye, Vinny)GM to run the football ops and butt-out. If Snyder wants to impress me and the rest of this fan base (those of us who actually stay for this crap), go park a dump-truck full of your millions in front of Scott Pioli's house in New England and beg him to clean up this mess.

I sure wish Joe would have at least stayed on as Team President. He might have been able to avert this pr and communication disaster.

I think the Danny is thinking if he promotes Gregg Williams, it would be like Jack Kent Cooke promoting Richie Petitbon after Joe Gibbs left the first time around and that the redskins will go 3-13. If he hires Fossil Fuel, we will go 1-15. Why not promote Gregg Williams and hire Brian Billick as the Offensive coord??

I don't think we can assume that Williams wouldn't take the job if it were offered to him at this point. Part of him might want to stick it to Danny, but there are a limited number of HC vacancies that you ever have a shot at, and he has the support of the players and fans. Still a pretty good gig for Williams if Snyder could come around.

At this late date, Snyder may have no choice but Williams, as filling all the other asst coaching spots would be difficult for any coach coming in.

whoever we get, it just has to be someone dedicated to the skins and staying here.. it was absolutely stupid going after zorn, who has seahawk running thru his blood and would probably bolt the min an opportunity presents itself there, and dido for rex ryan and mora jr.. these guys just used their interviews to get raises.. and in the meantime you've ruined the relationship with greg williams.. Jasno's title should continue.. now what, you idiot ?
at this point, after you've pissed everyone off, destroyed relationships and again validated why no one should work for you, just wait for the superbowl to end and get spags or mcdaniels.. seems to me the only way to go..

If Fassel is the guy Snyder/Vinny want then they should just hire him and strike fast to get Zorn - if that's who they want. Sounds like the Seahawks think pretty highly of him. They can focus on a DC (Ryan, Rivera, etc.) afterwards. By not acting now they'll make this a bigger shabingus than it already is - pissing off both Williams and Fassel and probably not getting Zorn either.

btw people who're throwing up at the idea of fckusall as the hc don't necessarily guarantee that gregg would be a success. we all agree on that he is million times better than jim fckusall. who will fckusall!

knock on williams as a personnel person:
1. the shabingus
2. drafting carlos rogers
3. drafting rocky mac (was known to be injury prone)
4. letting AP go

and that's why you need a good personnel person to save coaches from themselves (tj duckett, randle el, mark brunell)

snider's and his RB partner's resume:
1. bruce smith
2. deion sanders
3. mark carrier
4. jeff george
5. ryan clark (not resigning)
6. walt harris (not resigning)
7. no draft picks
8. jason campbell for 3 picks
9. patrick ramsey
10. i could go on...

Snyder, any time you feel like skipping town around midnight you let me know, I will provide the transportation for you, Vinnie, and your team. I will be more than glad to help you keep continuity with your friend Gibbs in the Carolinas. You can leave the existing coaching staff here, we'll keep the real continuity and build upon it.

I am not a fan of Fassel, nor do I believe he could lead the Redskins into the future. Q: Why hasn't any other NFL team with a head coaching position open interviewed FASSEL? A: He does not qualify to be a head coach. He only knows how to follow; not lead. My opinion only.

guys- this just in-
cnn is reporting fassel's got the job and there is a press conference at 3:00pm

We all have no idea about what is going on inside Dannies mansion so lets just wait and see what happens. Also, did i miss or has anything been heard of from Williams.

Here's a nugget to make you throw up in your mouth. If Saunders goes, Collins is now worthless to us. That leaves us with a QB trying to learn his sixth offense in seven years. If Fossil is our new boy, guess what veteran he brings in to run his offense until JC stops his head from spinning. Kyle Boller, boys, in burgundy and gold. Let the points soar!

I am a Redskin fan of more than 50 years. I have seen virtually everything that can happen to a pro football franchise in that span. But this Snyder-Vinny madness is getting to me. What jerks these two are. I am reaching the point where I wonder if working around them led to Joe Gibbs' departure as much as the illness of his grandson. Who in their right mind would want to coach for these two morons. They go after people who are not even in a position to leave their jobs. They show total ingratitude to Coach Williams and the others who went through hell for this team in the 2007-08 season. They are on the verge of blowing up the team yet again, destroying everything Coach Gibbs accomplished. They are, in sum, in over their heads. But what are we to do? Snyder, unfortunately, owns the team. There ought to be a law against that. But that is not the way this works.
All of us who have worked for suits like Snyder understand how these folks operate.

It would not surprise me if the Redskins have something like a 1-15 or 3-13 season this year. The bottom line here is the win-loss record. But Snyder and Vinny do not have a clue on how to get there.

Williams have been treated like a rag doll in this deal. I hope he lands with another team and haunts us for decades.

Gibbs has to take some of the blame for our present mess. He was the one who traded an All-Pro corner and a 2nd rd pick to denver,gave Jacksonville picks for a qb they were about to release, gave san fran 2 picks for nothing,allowed the arch deluxe mess to happen. Seems to me, Gibbs' hands are just as dirty as the Dan/Vins

This is the worst I've felt about the Redskins since they signed Deion Sanders.

This was such a cut-n-dry situation.

I don't care anymore. I've already told my golfing buddies we can make our Sunday tee times next year at noon instead of 8:00 a.m.

JLaC: "...because I am of no use to anyone these days covering this team."

Gee, I thought a certain someone would have tried to knock this one out of the park.

It would have gone foul, but still...

Can someone get the picture of Fassel off of the main skins page. I am a skins fan in MN and if Fassel is hired I am thinking about canceling my Sunday ticket

By the way, Al Saunders is not a problem, he is a proven winner as an offensive coordinator. The problem was Gibbs not letting Al do his thing. The HOF should recall the selection of Gibbs.

GregMarino: I think you need to readjust your sychophantic thinking and look at the real picture. The entire PROCESS has been a joke. Danny Boy and his if it ain't broke don't fix it comment. The four interviews for Williams, who has been here four years. The Mora thing. Now Fassell. What a disaster.

Any one else hear anything about the CNN report just for verification since we have heard a lot of rumors in the last 24 hrs.

Fassel, if really hired, is going to bear the brunt of an unbelievable negative reaction from the fans. Which isn't fair to him, but I hope he knows what he's getting into. It will be ugly.

Things that would be hilarious:

Danny-boy shops so long for a HC/OC/DC so long that basically anyone who is worth hiring begin to understand the inpet lunacy they'd be subject to and withdraw interest - at ANY price.

Oh, Wait ... that's already happened

I am still hoping that the FO has learned their lessons from what has happened in the past. I am still sticking with what they do during FA, draft is what will truly determine if Dan has learned anything. I also really want to know what Williams did or wants that soured on Dan.

Hawkeye, Cnn.com only has it as a rumor, and it is taken from the Washington Times.

Let me preface this post by saying that I'm not a fan of how Dan Snyder has chosen to run this franchisse from an organizational standpoint. I would much rather have a traditional FO similar to Gibbs 1.0 or the current Patriots situation.

Do I wish we had a different owner...absolutely. Will I ever change my allegiance....absolutely not. However, if you are a true fan of the TEAM (not the owner) you won't abandon ship or go choose another team to root for. We will inevitably go thru bad times and of those there have been plenty since he purchased the team, however think of what our forefathers had to endure to pass down to us the love that we have for this team.

Below is the records of the Skins from 1945 to 1971. In that span, this team did not reach the playoffs ONE time. 26 years without sniffing the postseason ONCE.

1971 9 4 1 2nd
1970 6 8 0 4th
1969 7 5 2 2nd
1968 5 9 0 3rd
1967 5 6 3 3rd
1966 7 7 0 5th
1965 6 8 0 4th
1964 6 8 0 4th
1963 3 11 0 6th
1962 5 7 2 4th
1961 1 12 1 7th
1960 1 9 2 6th
1959 3 9 0 5th
1958 4 7 1 4th
1957 5 6 1 4th
1956 6 6 0 3rd
1955 8 4 0 2nd
1954 3 9 0 5th
1953 6 5 1 3rd
1952 4 8 0 6th
1951 5 7 0 3rd
1950 3 9 0 6th
1949 4 7 1 4th
1948 7 5 0 2nd
1947 4 8 0 4th
1946 5 5 1 3rd
1945 8 2 0 1st

Imagine the pain they must have felt having to endure the incompetance of GPM...I would have loved to have read the blog in those days.

"I mean, lets say that Fassel does get hired, and he guides the team to a 11-5 record next year, and JC grows by leaps and bounds, what then? ..."

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 24, 2008 09:38 AM

Easy, fire Fassel and hire Cowher. To quote agent-to-the-stars, Drew Rosenhaus, "NEXT QUESTION!"

chRIs Larry, Gimli is an O-line guy.

Stumped accurately predicts the future ... Williams is waiting patiently, and when he gets offered the job, he says "no thanks, but BBF, m'Kay?"

Also, more strongly anti-barno's extended-cut-and-paste-from-Jasno-thread-starters-dance-remix today.

Goosfraba, and I'm out again.

1. Coaches will only come to the Skins for the money and now, apparently they won't even do that.

2. There is much more to the Gibbs exit story. He has too much class (and business interests) to tell it but others must know more.

3. Snyder is looking for a Daddy. That's why he keeps hiring these old guys.

Can we please skip the 08 season?? Just give the Redskins losses for all 16 games, and give us the #1 pick in the 09 draft. Its the only way to solve this.

pogues, tell me what happened during the 4 interviews with Williams? I mean, you were there right? So you know why there has been such hesitation to hire him?? Fill me in.....

Jasno - We keep discussing how Ryan cannot move laterally without compensation. If he is named Assistant Head Coach - Defense, which is Willaims title, that seems like a promo to me. Isn't Blache our D Coordinator? How do Redskin psuedo titles play in this mess?

Hey, I'll coach the team. I'm almost certain that I can keep up the continuity of chaos for $3 million a year. Who do I call?

I am disgusted with how Snyder has run this Franchise. I thought maybe he had learned something from Gibbs, but it appears he has not learned a damn thing. He has absolutely no grasp on the concepts of continuity, chemistry, and in regards to Gregg Williams, class. Just like he fired everyone when he walked into Redskins park, he an arrogant fool who will keep this team mired in mediocrity at best as long as he continues to micromanage.

He is running this team like a fan, which is all he was before he bought the skins. Go buy Madden and play in the Franchise mode if you have this desire. OR, hire football people to work for you(see Miami) and then GET OUT OF THEIR WAY!

Fassel, if really hired, is going to bear the brunt of an unbelievable negative reaction from the fans. Which isn't fair to him, but I hope he knows what he's getting into. It will be ugly.

Posted by: poguesmahone | January 24, 2008 12:38 PM

Unless he wins of course.

And dcsween, Gimli is a fullback if ever there was one.

Fassel, if really hired, is going to bear the brunt of an unbelievable negative reaction from the fans. Which isn't fair to him, but I hope he knows what he's getting into. It will be ugly.

Posted by: poguesmahone | January 24, 2008 12:38 PM

This is only true of idiot fans.

JLaC: "...because I am of no use to anyone these days covering this team."

Gee, I thought a certain someone would have tried to knock this one out of the park.

It would have gone foul, but still...

Posted by: freakzilla | January 24, 2008 12:34 PM

Suggestion noted. Good call...

*sticks his head up from the sand dune*

So, did the Leper-ConMan and the Assistant Undersecretary to the Supervisory Executive VP of Madden 08 Scouting actually make a choice yet?

No?

Well, OK, back to putting my head into the sand for me. Someone leave me some Advil for when it's all over?

Could Vinnie be the new Rasputin?

Why hasn't GW gotten any HC sniffs from anyone else during the hiring spree?

my problem is with danny and vinny, first and foremost. then, my problem is with fassel...other teams wont even touch him as an OC, yet we are ready to throw millions at him to lead our franchise into the future???? on offense, which i believe is Fassel's forte, the Giants were (from 2000 to 2003) ranked 15th, 21st, 22nd, and 30th in scoring respectively. they went down each year under his watch!! meanwhile, GG only had one off year in which the redskins weren't in the top 10 of defense. the gints won with their defense during fassel's regime, thanks to jack del rio and other talented coordinators. fck fassel, he is trash. oh yea, and look up the ravens offensive stats from his stint there too...not very good at all. we are gonna SUCK next year!!

no team thought the skins would be dumb enough to let him get away...

Another fine mess the Boy King has gotten us into...

Posted by: jaypem | January 24, 2008 11:15 AM

Boy King!...what an absolutely perfect description except for Terrible Infant.

Why hasn't GW gotten any HC sniffs from anyone else during the hiring spree?

Posted by: WorstSeat | January 24, 2008 01:01 PM

Maybe teams have asked to interview Williams, but Snyder denied them permission to talk to him, being the jerk-off he is!

One thing is CERTAIN out of all this ...

The Redskins reputation (already severely tarnished, in terms of being a sound franchise to work for) has dropped several notches.

Why would Cowher, Garrett, Holmgren EVER consider stepping into this steaming pile?

Screw Joe Gibbs for not speaking his mind to Mini-me

in his whole career in New York, their offense cracked the top 20 only once; their super bowl year with that oh so frightening "thunder and lightening" attack. come on, this is better than al saunders??? hell no. this man couldn't inspire a river to flow. this is all bull sht

If Joe Gibbs remained as team president, do you think ANY of this stupidiity happens?

It is a whole different thing when the management is respected compared to when it is disrespected.

As of now, few coaches will want to be here. Danny can throw $$$ around, but if you know the owner will backstab you, why take the risk? Few players will want to play their guts out for this owner.

The players made it clear that they respect GG. But Danny has gone out of his way to disrespect them. Who wants to play for an owner that doesn't respect you?

IN an y case, you can not tell me that a plan that has Fassel, Ryan and Zorn is a well though out plan. Its 3 guys who have never been together. Danny wants to blow up a decent team for that? I used the word stupid at the beginning of this post, but it seems such an understatement.

STOP THE MADNESS!

Now that I have your attention. Don't count Gregggg out. The ship is still moving forward. Fossil tried to jump on but he was thrown off by our goons. Don't count Williams out yet.

Tell me this, how cana 'sources' get it wrong? I knew it was shabingus when Ryan was included. There is no way he can come here unless its as HC. Crazy....

STOP THE MADNESS!

(end of rant)

I just wanna know when is Leprechaun Danny going to offer the job the Tom Cruise?

"...they're not sure Williams would even take it if offered."

Why would he? Williams is not a kiss arse, therefore he will not be coach.

And for the fan above that said he "can't change his heart" but can the way he spends his money. You've gotta understand Leprechaun Danny has no heart, and apparently has no brain either.

"I wants me gold!"

- Ray

sheidt99 that's is wrong on so many levels. LMAO! No we both need to go and ask for forgiveness.

I want Danny-Boy to fly out here to California and lick my taint.

THIS IS A COMPLETE AND UTTER JOKE.

REDSKINS FANS NEED TO UNITE AND BOYCOTT GAMES NEXT YEAR.

EVERYTHING WAS SET UP PERFECT FOR CONTINUITY AND NOW IT IS DESTROYED, AND FOR WHAT??

BOYCOTT THE DANNY AND VINNY - 2 CLOWNS WHO DESERVE TO ROT.

Some of these comments are hysterical. When the likes of Jim Mora and Jim Zorn turn us down before an offer is made, what possible reason is there to believe Spagnuolo or McDaniels will be interested? How hard do you think Bellichik would laugh if his new wonder child said he planned to interview with Washington?

The fact is that this process has reduced us to a laughingstock. The only way we get a coach now is to reach way down, or take someone that has no other options and nobody else wants - like Fassel.

To be honest....in thinking about this.

WHY SHOULD WE RUSH INTO HIRING A NEW COACH?? If anything.....its good that Snyder is taking his due diligence and weighing ALL options.

My opinion is all up in the air on this....

There are alot of big questions that aren't easily answered by just giving WILLIAMS the job:

A)
If Williams is made the Head Coach....could he hold onto the offensive staff? What is his plan if all of Gibbs' coaches decided to exodus?? What Coordinators did he have lined up to replace?? If any.....

B)
IMO...the team is about to begin a big youth movement......which is why they kept all their draft picks. And why it was good so many of the young players got tons of playtime this year (because of injury or not):
1) because of the team's salary cap situation
2) When Gibbs came in....that team was built to achieve in 3 years.....its been 4.

C)
The Redskins overachieved this year after Taylor's death. But I also can't forget that streak of lost opportunities in the middle. Which team are they?? And which will the coaching staff without Gibbs bring out?? Do you give them another year or do you start fresh as a significant roster purge is going to occur (and if you don't think so.....you are blind)

Seriously think of the Richie Petitbon Era for a second...

I think everyone shouldn't overreact and should avoid such knee jerk reactions and instantly call for Snyder's head.

As in many head coach decisions of the past......there have been pro and cons to both waiting and for making a quick decision.

"If Joe Gibbs remained as team president, do you think ANY of this stupidiity happens?"

NO and that's a great point. If memory serves me correctly Gibbs said when he came back that he would move upstairs after he stopped being coach.

Last time I looked Gibbs was back in NC and gave up everything with the Redskins. Makes me wonder what was really up with him and Leprechaun Danny and how much influence his family really had.

"Me wants me gold!"

- Ray

Maybe a clean slate would be good. This team has only seemed to produce when under pressure late in the season. And that only seems to happen every other year. It's time to bring some consistent winning back to the table. Trim payroll and get rid of the non-producers (Lloyd, Brunnel....and sad to say it Moss has got to go). Actually use draft picks. And hire McDaniels after the Super Bowl!

Not sure if this has been posted here in previous threads, but anyone else notice how Danny is COPPYING THE DALLAS COWBOYS?

Let's see, Dallas won superbowls with a former college coach,
so Danny hires Spurrier.

Dallas goes out and gets an old coach (Parcells),
so Danny hires Gibbs.

Dallas hires an ex-head coach who never had great success with his former teams, and also brings in an ex-NFL QB/current QB's coach as the O-coordinator,
so Danny hires Fassel and