Wow, I really hope the pieces fall into place.

top shelf pocket pies

beginning of the end

I know Zorn. Sort of. I took a foundry class with him a few years ago at the University of Minnesota. He was nice. He made a kayaker in a wooshing river. Out of bronze.

Flapjacks 08

Robin Williams for head coach!

I hope Zorn does well as our OC, so that we can call ourselves the Zorn Nuts.

Now just hire Gregg Williams.

Barno,

Jasno wrote only yesterday that "Rex Ryan and Jim Zorn look like they are staying with their current teams."

How do you feel about that?

from the last thread:

"Yup, money certainly has a way of talking. Does anyone else think any other motive is in play? Clusterfu** indeed."

yea that and a promotion into a situation with a talented offense. i have no problems with zorn. and as bad as snyder's looked the past couple days, i don't think he's dumb enough to hire his o-coordinator without talking to his potential head coach(es) first. i think both fassel and williams were well aware of this possibility and gave the ok.

i do think this effectively removes any josh mcdaniels speculation out there. i think fassel's probably the only offensive candidate from here on out.

Get Williams Hired now!!!! keep the other assistants and let's close this nightmare.

I'd rather higher Kiffin. But ok... fassel is coming aboard. I hope fassel has the SHORTIEST leash of all time. snyder is ruining our beloved franchise.

F U SNYDER -- and this is from a guy who's defended you SEVERAL times. I can't do it anymore... I may not renew my season tickets.

beginning of the end

Posted by: mrhanki9 | January 25, 2008 06:00 PM

No the end of the beginning of the end.

West cost with a strong arm QB.

6-10

By Mike Sando
ESPN.com

Updated: January 25, 2008, 5:21 PM ET

Jim Zorn has accepted an offer to become offensive coordinator for the Washington Redskins, sources said.

Zorn, 54, has coached quarterbacks for the Seattle Seahawks since 2001. He was previously quarterbacks coach for Detroit from 1998 to 2000.

Zorn's hiring comes as the Redskins continue their search for a head coach.

Zorn reportedly met with Redskins owner Daniel Snyder this week. He returned to Seattle, spoke with the Seahawks about a new deal and decided the Redskins' offer provided his best option. Zorn's deal with Washington is expected to cover three years....

My question is, does this preclude Williams as head coach? Do I still have reason for hope that they are not blowing up the whole team?

Dan Snyder has truly ruined one of things that used to give me enjoyment. So, thanks for that. If its not Williams as head coach, my friends and I (all lifelong skins fans) are moving on to root for the Browns...until Snyder sells the team.

If Snyder keeps going down this road, there's going to be a Dan Synder Day celebrated every year in DC. It'll be just like Guy Fawkes Day in England.

you think Dannyboy is walking into meetings with a briefcase full of money and sliding it across the table while asking..."you sure you don't want to reconsider?"

looks like he matured and stopped overpaying for free agents and moved on to high priced coordinators.

Now that they have hired Zorn (which I understand the Skins have not confirmed) they will hire Fassel....wasn't that the hold up the other day?

I have no problem with Zorn...he is beloved in Seattle....but I do feel bad for Al. Hope this does not mean Fassel is going to be our HC...but I'm willing to bet it does.

Damn you, Daniel Snyder!!!

Read the writing on the wall folks. Fassel is next. Thanks to Gregg Williams for 4 years of solid defense. Dan Snyder you're an idiot. You don't hire an O Coordinator before you hire the head coach.

The fact that assistants are hearing this from the press and not from the front office is disgraceful. Vinny has been promoted for less the a week and already deserves to be fired. It's his job to communicate with his staff and the fact that the team hired a new head on the offensive side is something all the offensive coaches deserve to hear from the team, not the radio.

Zorn might end up being a good choice, but the front office continues to show that it is incompetent and lord knows why anyone would want to work for them.

Is anyone embarrassed to be a SKins fan right now?

XXX just said that Williams was very high on Zorn.

does this me we will be "Zorn to Lose"? CP sez, in his offense I an "zorn to run"

I wonder how Al Saunders found out he was unemployed . . . I suspect by radio reports.

Dan Snyder you're an idiot. You don't hire an O Coordinator before you hire the head coach.

Posted by: hokiepokster92 | January 25, 2008 06:09 PM

Worked for Dallas last year. Why can't it work here?

Sure you hire an offensive coordinator without knowing who the HC is. What guy accepts that? No one. Which means there is more to this story ...

Williams could still get this, it has been reported that he liked Zorn quite a bit.

And he won't necessarily use the west coast offense. He has been under many offensive coaches, let's see how this plays out, I have a feeling we'll still see GW get this.

I think Tom Cruise is right. Danny is infested with body-thetans and they are ruining our team. Quick we must round up all the psychiatrists and send them to a volcano for the good of the franchise.

Ok the tools will be out soon.

F U tools. don't try and defend this crap.

Don't tell Al before the press. Not surprising. New O not suited the JC skills not surprising. But boy Vinny trying to take over not surprising.

I wonder how Al Saunders found out he was unemployed . . . I suspect by radio reports.

Posted by: mauchsns | January 25, 2008 06:11 PM

No, he probably read the handwriting on the wall.

I will be in complete shock if GW gets the job. I'm banking it will be Fassel or we are waiting till after the Bowl for Spags.

Why? Why? Why? This scam of an owner we have is ruining everything again. The main mistakes he has made in his ownership tenure is the fact that he botches the coaching situation for this team every single time. When you have a cracked foundation (coaching) to build a team around, no matter how hard you try to leverage against the cap and bring in players you feel will add the most value within their coaching philosophies, you will never succeed. He should have never fired Turner with three games left in the season. ( He had nothing to gain by doing that and should have waited 3 weeks to do it at the end of the season) He should have never fired marty after one season (The team was obviously turning around, finished the season 8-3 and was absolutley heading towards a division championship the following season). He should have never hired that fraud by the name of Spurrier. ( he was a lazy, good-for-nothing amateur of a coach, and on top of that, the worthless players they brought in because "they knew the fun 'n gun" were an embarassment to the sport) Now, he is bringing in Fassel. Why hurt the vested emotions of this fan base and players on the team with this idiotic pick of a new coach that will scramble everything that was built up to this point. Screw you Dan Snyder. I hope they start spitting on your food everytime you go to Morton's in reston.

They just said Al was told yesterday on XXX. It makes me think that Williams is in good shape. I would think they would have told all of them at the same time.

thanks JLC I thought you died

Sure you hire an offensive coordinator without knowing who the HC is. What guy accepts that? No one. Which means there is more to this story ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 25, 2008 06:11 PM

I think this is a VERY GOOD point, this is coming to an end VERY soon. And you know, I thought it was intereseting that JJG suddenly got more involved(calling the assistants and such) and now suddenly, they hire an OC? This search must be just about over. 

UPDATE II: A source with knowledge of the situation said this evening that Saunders has been told to look for work elsewhere and that he does not expect to return to the team in any capacity.
Word of Zorn's hiring comes a day after Joe Gibbs called Redskins assistant coaches to tell them that the search for his replacement is likely to take several more weeks.
"They haven't told us anything [about Zorn]," one Redskins assistant said. "I heard about it on the radio. I have no idea what it means for us."

So far no tools. Good I will keep watch until 8:00.

Thinks to look for. Name you have never seen. Sounds like Larry Micheals. Try to divert from the issue at hand.

Thinks Vinny is well respected in the NFL. Attacks the press.

I've never posted before so bear with me . . .

Listening to NFL Radio on Sirius coming home, the consensus of the hosts and the callers is that this is a "sad day for the NFL" because of the ongoing foolishness in DC and in Oakland.

I guess Snyder has reached a new low - or maybe he considers it a high - being mentioned as an Al Davis-type owner. Too bad he didn't aspire to be like the Rooneys or the Maras or . . . just about anybody else.

I really, really had hopes for The Danny when he bought the team - he seemed like a fan who had grown up rooting for the Skins - just like me but with a net worth exponentially greater. His early missteps seemed to come from that fan-inspired enthusiasm. But this . . . to tear apart what Joe Gibbs began to build over the past four years and to start over - ridiculous.

Hopefully, he'll sell the team in my lifetime and we'll have some chance at stability. Or maybe continuity.

To all those angry at Snyder for not quickly naming GW the HC you have totally missed the story here:

GW refuses to be the HC if Saunders is his OC. Therefore, Snyder was forced to choose b/w GW or Saunders so he went with the guy the fans and players were behind: and that is drumroll.......GW soon to be announced as the HC.

Whaa?

You name an offensive coordinator before you name a head coach?

Unless this leaked off ahead of time.

Y'know, as crazy as the presidential primaries are, they make more sense than this hiring process concocted by Snyder.

Okay, not much more...but a little...

GW refuses to be the HC if Saunders is his OC. Therefore, Snyder was forced to choose b/w GW or Saunders so he went with the guy the fans and players were behind: and that is drumroll.......GW soon to be announced as the HC.

Posted by: jimmyhendrix | January 25, 2008 06:18 PM

Jimmy,

Maybe I could believe this if you'd share some of what you've been taking. Hit me.

jimmy hendrix, your alive!!!!!!!!!!

They are just holding on to Williams until they sign their preferred coach....Fassell (heaven help us!)or Spagnuolo. Or until Ryan and the Ravens change their minds...

i hope to God Hendrix is right...

To all those angry at Snyder for not quickly naming GW the HC you have totally missed the story here:

GW refuses to be the HC if Saunders is his OC. Therefore, Snyder was forced to choose b/w GW or Saunders so he went with the guy the fans and players were behind: and that is drumroll.......GW soon to be announced as the HC.

Posted by: jimmyhendrix | January 25, 2008 06:18 PM

I hope you're right!!!!!!!!!!

To all those angry at Snyder for not quickly naming GW the HC you have totally missed the story here:

GW refuses to be the HC if Saunders is his OC. Therefore, Snyder was forced to choose b/w GW or Saunders so he went with the guy the fans and players were behind: and that is drumroll.......GW soon to be announced as the HC.

Posted by: jimmyhendrix

The head coach makes that choice!! WTF WTF

There is a blogger on Maske's blog claiming he actually talked to Williams, a quote:
" would like to fill all of my fellow fans in on something regarding Grilliams and his chances of becoming HC.

I actually ran in to him yesterday evening (YES, I really did). I told him how much we diehards want him to be the HC and asked him if he thinks he still has any chance of becoming that...wellll, this is what Grilliams said:

"If I were a betting-man, I would place a hefty wager on me becoming the next HC of the Redskins" as he smiled and got into his car."
END QUOTE"

Ya never know

I think this all points to Zorn choosing his HC...

This is so bogus. And the process has played out in a way that is shame. Snyder has killed the heart and soul of that team. They may win. But they'll always be hiring and firing and never, ever build a legacy. Snyder is satan.

OK...so new offensive system, which you would think would mean a changing of personel. Best way to do that is through the draft right??? And we are loaded with picks right??? Snyder is ruining the integrity of the NFL and the Washington Redskins. No easy task, but he has shamelessly accomplished it. I'm embarrased to be a Skins fan!!!

Relax, don't do it

No matter which way that you look at it it looks like we got a great young offensive mind to run the offense. Also it is said that GG liked Zorn so there is still hope. But all of the coked up hamsters can wait to jump to conclusion like they are at all of the meetings. Time will tell and all of this will play out.

There is a blogger on Maske's blog claiming he actually talked to Williams, a quote:
" would like to fill all of my fellow fans in on something regarding Grilliams and his chances of becoming HC.

I actually ran in to him yesterday evening (YES, I really did). I told him how much we diehards want him to be the HC and asked him if he thinks he still has any chance of becoming that...wellll, this is what Grilliams said:

"If I were a betting-man, I would place a hefty wager on me becoming the next HC of the Redskins" as he smiled and got into his car."
END QUOTE"

Ya never know

Posted by: craig2 | January 25, 2008 06:22 PM

I sure do hope he's right and he actually talked to Grilliams. That would be great, but I won't keep my fingers crossed until it happens.

Talk about "up in the air," how would you like to be Todd Collins?

Here come all of the overreactions again

"Tire tracks up and down your back,
I can see you had your fun"

Man, ya' got that right Jimmy.

Feel like I've been run over by a diesel tractor.

they better hire williams now.

whatever that guy jimmyhendrix just posted sounds too good to be true

Signing the OC before hiring a HC? Hmmm, methinks Danny considers himself the de facto HC and will hire a lackey to do his bidding on the sidelines. If the nominal HC is not a dancing bear, it will be Tom Cruise.

What a joke this once proud NFL franchise has become.

Local NFL fans continue to write checks that Danny's ego continues to cash.

It sounded like Saunders was out regardless. I doubt Snyder was forced to get rid of him. My guess is that Snyder tries to get Williams to come around on his demands because now he's sitting there with a new HC who is liked by both Fassel and Williams. Question is who will be the DC if they choose Fassel.

Its all a timing thing...but to us on the outside who expect to know everything at all times (myself incl) it appears chaotic. But Snyder and GW know they have all but a deal (hence the 4 interviews/negotiations), but Zorny had to be locked up immediately, b/c he is a hot commodity. Now to add even more excitement to this whole process, Snyder knows to hold off on announcing GW as the HC until another day in the very near future. Its much more exciting to make two big splashes than one on the same day. C'mon, Zorn worked for GW in Buff. This one is falling right into place...must be the mushrooms that are allowing me to see this so clearly.

Way to go Mr. Snyder....and good luck Jason Campbell.

Just think....only a month ago we were the "feel good" team of the NFL...the team everyone (except our division rivals) was rooting for....not we are the team everyone (especially our division rivals) are LAUGHING at.

Oh yeah...there go Todd Collins....

It's going to be Williams.

Count on it.

Ok new plan. Go over to Fedex before the game and picket leagaly. "Don't buy the $8 beer". Get the crap beat out you us by Snyders thugs.

Sue Snyder - with fans on the jury.

You know the rest.

We shall over come.

Zorn is in. OK, assume that is true. Zorn would want to know who he is working for. And the guy taking the job would want say in the offensive coordinator. Which makes me think the coach is already determined and its a matter of very little time until that is done. If it isn't already.

Would not surprised that the comments yesterday, that the HC search could last another couple weeks were done to mislead the press/public.

I wouldn't be surprised if Zorn's deal leaked out before Snyder wanted it to.

No really, I really talked to Joe Gibbs. I have his cell phone number. He told me everything is fine, and every swingin' fan is going to be really happy with the way it all turns out. No really.

they should have a head coach in place first, but good hire. check out profootballupdate dot com for my thoughts on this.

I ran into Jimi Hendrix on this very blog, and told him we'd sure like to hear him blow out the Marshall's again...he said and I quote "If I were a betting man, I'd lay a heavy wager on the Jimi Hendrix Experience opening up the new Silver Spring Fillmore with a kick ass version of Hey Joe". Then he flew off on his winged Stratocaster.

Really

I think jimmyhednrix is Snyder posing as a fan to calm us down...I see right through your little scam.

Snyder is satan.

Posted by: kmag1 | January 25, 2008 06:24 PM

Satan is a lot more competent at his job than Dan Synder.

What a disaster! Not only do we lose Saunders (who gets paid for next year in any event), but the team's morale has got to be shattered by the inexcusable way this has played out. Who can have any confidence that they won't be treated as shamefully as the current crew by this group of mis-management clowns! We won't win a game in the NFC east.

the redskins are a mess right now

can we atleast keep someone from joes staff

Zorn worked with GW in Buffalo?? This is all getting pretty confusing. My brain hurts. Wake me when they've hired a HC.

I guess this is good, but I still had faith that Saunders system could work, maybe it was just too complicated for Jason Campbell. I agree with the other comments that now we should just hire Williams. They better not being hiring Fassel, if were going to rebuild it needs be Cowher, I will even accept Josh McDaniels or Mike Sigeltary, but not Fassel or anybody else. Hiring Fassel would be Synder's worse decision since he bought the team and that's saying alot.

snyder is a zorn in my side.....Every time i see Old School in a post i think its about me ....then i read the post and find out its about the movie Old School ....anyway sounds like a new shrief comming to town...I wonder if raider nation can go over 1000 posts in a day talking about the oringial weird AL....thank god there is aleast one other incompetent meddelsome owner in the league....If we win this will just be a chapter in the book ...if we loose it will be a book all by itself....

all this whining about snyder...and not one comment about continuity today (read: the team). amazing.

Who knows in all of this mess with misinformation and disinformation being perpetuated like wildfire, but if I had to guess, I would say that Snyder and co. have soured on Williams because of two reasons:

(i) they want an offensive mind to run the team to ensure that Campbell, the most valuable resource on the team, gets the proper guidance and coaching to take it to the next level

(ii) Williams' inability to get along with Cerrato. That's a pretty silly reason not to hire a head coach if your mind tells you he's the best for the job, but this isn't the first and it won't be the last that tyrants (which Snyder effectively is) lead with their hearts instead of their minds

Haha, I am not Snyder...in fact I said earlier that his "relationship with Ceratto is disturbing to say the least" Folks, this is so obvious...I'll say it again for those who missed it: Fassel was a backup plan in case Williams couldnt get his guy as OC.

Can anybody from the press track down some of our key players and take their temp. on this whole debacle? Forget who they want...thats obvious, but how do they feel about how this has played out, and about this supposed franchise??? C'mon Jasno, hook it up!

I hear Snyder has asked Al Davis for advice on the coaching search.

teddy 833
I am embarrassed and ashamed that I am a redskins fan. Also I am done being a redskins fan, done done done

Every rose has its Zorn

You know what, they could hire John F'n Lennon for head coach right now and it wouldn't matter, the damage is already done. These goofs have gone and fired one of the best offensive minds in football after less than two years. Only a non-athlete wannabe sports guy (Snyder) and/or an arrogant bum (Cerrato)would not be able to see that Saunders had not put his full offensive product on the field yet. He had a young QB and head coach stuck in 1990 (Gibbs) that was meddling with his offensr. Come on, can any of you Redskins nuts out there honestly say that Saunders had a free hand with that offense last year? Give me a break. Now he's gone, he'll be snatched up in week probably by another NFC foe, and you can go back to seeing another young QB Patrick Ramsied by this dysfunctional organziation. Dan and Vinny, you both blow!!!

all this whining about snyder...and not one comment about continuity today (read: the team). amazing.

Posted by: forces | January 25, 2008 06:34 PM

can we atleast keep someone from joes staff

Zorn never coached in Buffalo.

Google you people.

What's Zorns philosophy?Are now going to be a west coast offense? Campbell does not have a quick release for that style!!??!

Only the Redskins (under Dan the Man Child) could turn the best feel good story of the year - team holds together, finishes 9-7, makes playoffs, head coach in waiting, players and coaches on one sheet of music, etc. Nope we're back to Bruce Smith,Deon Sanders, Mark Carrier, Jeff George. New Offense, the next year a new Defense, then a new Quarterback, then a new Head Coach, then it starts all over again. I really do think that they should give a trophy for off season greatness. Because that is the closest championship we will get to.

Please hire Gregg William so I can stop hating Snyder and Cerrato.

We really are a laughing stock...

Robin Williams for head coach!

Posted by: johndinhouston | January 25, 2008 06:03 PM

Remo Williams for HC! He's got crazy skills.

Zorn never coached in Buffalo.

Google you people.

Posted by: gdennie | January 25, 2008 06:36 PM

Don't cloud the intrigue with facts.

I think Zorn is a good hire. I'd rather see Williams as head coach, but remember how bad our defense was last year...maybe fassel won't be a bad move. It doesn't really matter as long as we have a good defensive coordinator. All the HC needs to do is manage the game clock and time outs. Once in a while a decision to go for it would be nice too...all of which Joe Gibbs couldn't do the second time around.

Please, everyone out there who is complaining...tell snyder to keep your tickets. The more people that jump off the deep end gets a real fan closer to the top of the ticket waiting list. Whoever doesn't want their tickets, please get the H@@@ out of fedex!!! especially if you are one of those that sit on their hands the entire time and complain about people who dare to cheer for our team, or sell tickets to our rival fans. HAIL REDSKINS!!!!

They said it is exactly what we already knew, both Fassel and Williams are fine with Zorn and if we wanted Zorn before Seattle locked him up we had to move quick. It does kill my McDaniel dream but for the coach that Snyder is hiring (no candidate is the big name total control guy) this isn't a big deal......and the Cowboys hired Garrett before the hired Wade and that seemed to work fine. I for one am happy with this move and now would be fine if Williams is promoted because now we have a QB guy to work with JC, now I agree with all the shabingus, lets just promote GG and move on.

"There is a blogger on Maske's blog claiming he actually talked to Williams..."

Does anyone have a link to Maske's blog that points to this blogger?

Ever heard of the Peter Principle. That executives rise to their level of incompetence. Applies just as much to NFL (or even college) football coaches. Remember Jack Pardee? Norv Turner's a classic case; great offensive coach, but still has a losing record as a HC and was unable to take San Diego's 14-2 team any higher this year.

Unfortunately, that also may be the label that goes best with GG. A great defensive coordinator whereever he's been, but only so-so any higher. He certainly was not a great improvement with the Bills as the top guy.

All that means is that Snyder will be slightly more cautious that he's exhausted every other viable possibility before making a final decision to elevate Williams--no matter how popular GG is with the troops.

Zorn never coached under Williams. He has been in Detroit and Seattle as QB coach.

I'd like to think that Snyder went through this Kabuki dance in order to pick the brains of other coaches or applicants.

I.e., he was always going to hire Williams; but used the process to get an idea as to how the current team stood in the eyes of outsiders.

That, to me, is the only logical explanation. He can't be this big of a klutz.

The folks running WikiPedia are incredibly quick, wiki Jim Zorn and check it out

Bye bye Al, you were a bad fit from the start.

"There is a blogger on Maske's blog claiming he actually talked to Williams..."

Does anyone have a link to Maske's blog that points to this blogger?

Posted by: jrizzo | January 25, 2008 06:41 PM

 Here:

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/nflinsider/2008/01/waiting_for_super_bowl_assista.html

...scuse me while I kiss the sky...

Un-fanning myself isn't an option so I'm stuck with Danny-boy til he sells or I die, whichever comes first.

hey jimmy, send a hit of whatever you got over here....I need some purple haze to get me through this mess.

Whoever doesn't want their tickets, please get the H@@@ out of fedex!!! especially if you are one of those that sit on their hands the entire time and complain about people who dare to cheer for our team, or sell tickets to our rival fans. HAIL REDSKINS!!!!

Posted by: ae3td | January 25, 2008 06:41 PM

Thank you!!!! like we as a bunch of fans really have any idea who the best people are anyway, whoever it is, if he wins we'll love him regardless of all the crap that is said now, and we'll hate him if he loses, even if it is the suddenly sainted Williams. And regardless, no matter how much class Snyder showed through the Taylor thing, and the money he has thrown out to try and make this team a winner year after year everyone on here will hate him until SBs are won regardless of the fact that championships aren't easy and at least he tries, I'd rather have Snyder any day of Al Davis, the owners of the Niners, Bungles, Browns, Cards, Lions, and a few others, he may screw up but at least he cares and tries.

I am happy the league buzz is so good about Zorn, but am I the only one a little nervous that he coached QB's in Detroit? They haven't had a competent QB in Detroit since QB's started wearing face masks (i.e. Bobby Lane).

Franken-Danny and Egor at it again, what money sucking monstrosity will they build this time?

That DC for the giants is just as likely to break bad on Vin-Dan as GW would, so this likely means the Fassel Hassle again, or coud it mean.....we can only hope

I'd rather have Snyder any day of Al Davis, the owners of the Niners, Bungles, Browns, Cards, Lions, and a few others, he may screw up but at least he cares and tries.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 25, 2008 06:47 PM

Thanks for sharing, Vinny.

"Zorn Identity" In Redskin theaters this fall!!!

Reading between the lines...

Of course nobody knows what the ultimate decision is being made on the new Head Coach and I'm sure we all appreciate Jason's effort on this process. Now that it's starting to come out though, I really feel like they brought Fassil in for information more than anything. I think they value his opinion and wanted to feel him out as far as what offensive and defensive minds in the league he would want if he had his wishlist and gave them reasons A, B, and C for each. Think about it... if the reports are true that Jim Fassil felt minipulated durring this process and we've hired HIS boy Zorn then it makes sense that Dan and Vinny, unhappy with Saunders predictable formations and personell packages wanted a fresh offense and Zorn could be their diamond in the rough. I think they wanted Gregg Williams from the beginning assuming he would not demand personell and would be willing to change Offensive Cordinators. They may very well talk to more candidates until after the superbowl but I still think Williams is the guy. Snyder, who genuinly loves Joe Gibbs would want to continue what Joe built and see it through even if he's apprehensive because he knows Joe Gibbs would get alot of the credit for turning it around. If I'm way off base in the feeling that williams is the guy... maybe Shwartz comes back into the picture as someone who can basicly take over the same style of defense with the cordinator they want already in place a-la Jerry Jones ( Danny's American Idol )

Hail...

this owner is playing a dangerous game. Zorn is unproven. Saunders offense works.

I can see the argument for getting rid of Al, that JC isn't a good fit, etc. Not sure I agree so completely, though.

Campbell played behind makeshift line and was barely in season 2. His guys dropped a lot of passes (they cost us wins at GB and Dallas). Todd had healthy WRs and did very well. Portis didn't show up til the last part of the year. While clearly the offense was the weaker side of the ball. I'm not sure that it was all on Al. I think Gibbs held that offense back more than anyone. And I was OK with Campbell's development. Still a work in progress, but there was clearly good progress.

I can see replacing Al, but I'm not thrilled by it.

Jim Zorn?

Are you kidding me?

Why not Brian Sipe or Lynn Dickey?

Sheesh.

Now JC and the O have to learn a whole new playbook.

Hire Williams NOW.

Now that they've hired Zorn maybe they'll interview Williams for a fifth and maybe a sixth time. You have to be sure about these things. Maybe Snyder won't be able to make up his mind and Williams and Fossil will be the first co-hc in league history.

he may screw up but at least he cares and tries.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 25, 2008 06:47 PM

Who knew Danny-boy commented on here?

Wrong, he coached Charlie Batch who had a couple of very good years in Detroit back when they lost to us in the first round of the playoffs.

I, for one, am not upset at the Jim Zorn hiring, if it is indded true. He's a quarterback coach so that, to me, means he doesn't actually have a Master Offensive System already built that our players have to learn. Do I dare to dream that he would be smart enough to try and taylor a system that fits the players we already have?

wow Snyder is really not winning the hearts of redskin fans, getting a offensive cordinator before a head coach and firing Al aunders wtf

So if Saunders is out , Collins is likely out as well and "no arm left, but plenty of contract "Brunell? Do the Redskins have a back up QB?
Nice work Danny ! You dope ! Sell now !

SNYDER IS A LOSER!!! SELL MY BELOVED REDSKINS PLEASE!!! THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE!

Charlie Batch is where now?

"He returned to Seattle, spoke with the Seahawks about a new deal and decided the Redskins' offer provided his best option."

Funny,

I seem to recall Al Saunders saying the same thing about Washington and Gibbs, now's he's getting is arse kicked out the door.

I LOVED watching Jim Zorn when I was a kid throwing to Steve Largent, but I have this deep feeling this is gonna be a bad fit as well.

Poor Al, he wanted to come here so badly. :(

You all know Fassell is next.

- Ray

I just realized something dreadful... Snyder is a little older than me. Barring any unforseen accident killing Snyder, I will probably never see the Redskins winning a Superbowl again.

Wow this just hit me like a ton of bricks...

I'm feeling dizzy...

oh God the walls are closing in on me...

ohh God help me!!! AHHHHHHHHH!!!

The idea of Jim Fassel standing on the sidelines in burgundy and gold makes me want to hurl.

Looks like Boswell was right in his column: Gibbs coming back was a complete waste of time, because the Skins diminutive owner is going to do whatever he wants, and to hell with continuity.

I hear Snyder has asked Al Davis for advice on the coaching search.

Posted by: jaypem | January 25, 2008 06:36 PM

Actual transcript:

AD: Hello?
DS: Mr Davis? I need some advice.
AD: Mommy? Why do you sound like a boy?
DS: Huh?
AD: What?
DS: I need some advice
AD: Sure Mommy, I was just talking to FDR
DS: Huh?
AD: What?
DS: I need to hire a new coach
AD: Go with Velour
DS: Huh?
AD: Velour. Nice cover for a couch.
DS. COACH. Football Coach.
AD: You don't have yell mommy.
DS: I need to hire a football coach.
AD: Knute Rockney!
DS: Thanks Mr Davis. Uh...Catch you later

DS: Hey Vinny, where does Rockney coach?
VC: Don't know boss, but I'll find out.
DS: Good. We need him.
VC: Will do

These goofs have gone and fired one of the best offensive minds in football after less than two years. Only a non-athlete wannabe sports guy (Snyder) and/or an arrogant bum (Cerrato)would not be able to see that Saunders had not put his full offensive product on the field yet. He had a young QB and head coach stuck in 1990 (Gibbs) that was meddling with his offensr. Come on, can any of you Redskins nuts out there honestly say that Saunders had a free hand with that offense last year? Give me a break. Now he's gone, he'll be snatched up in week probably by another NFC foe, and you can go back to seeing another young QB Patrick Ramsied by this dysfunctional organziation. Dan and Vinny, you both blow!!!

Posted by: lucy1001 | January 25, 2008 06:36 PM

don't agree with all of it, but agree that Saunders is a top offensive mind and he didn't have free reign in the offense. In part because Campbell is still so young, in part because Gibbs was wanted to run out the clock as soon as the 3rd quarter started.

Oh, I guess that would be the Charlie Batch up for HOF consideration this year.

"C'mon, Zorn worked for GW in Buff."

Hey jimmyhendrix - I don't believe that is at all accurate.

Zorn never worked for the Bills.

"AD: Knute Rockney!"

He'd probably still be better then stinky old Fossil...err...Fassell. ;)

You might as well make jokes since the Redskins are the laughing stock of the NFL right about now.

Leprechaun Danny strikes again....

- Ray

fwiw, this update wasn't written by JLa

This isn't necessarily a BAD thing people, Zorn is a bright guy, I wouldn't count on what type of offense he's going to bring in, most likely a conglomeration of the many offenses he has coached under(which is many very different ones) and Hasslebeck credits him with his major improvements over the last couple of years. I still have my hopes that this is still Willimas' job, and Zorn is smart enough to keep things simple offensively while JC and company grow into it. 

I'm trying to be excited people, and as I have said here several times already "NOTHING IS DECIDED YET", we need to chill. 

Lol.....all the sell sell sell, hate hate hate, will turn into tickets, jerseys, beers, and crappy johnny rockets food next season and Danny will keep on rolling. Its funny that people really think that just shouting on this blog is constructive, I for am getting really tired of it, I don't agree with everything the owner does, or even most of it, I haven't liked most of the decisions or coaching the last four years, but fricking calm down and wait and see, nobody knows how this will play out and nobody will care if the guy wins. So collectively shut up! and lets just see what happens week 1 next year, the fact that anybody really thinks GG is the surefire has to be choice is ridiculous, and to demand continuity with this staff is almost pitiful. What is important is roster continuity, the hire needs to be someone who is happy with the roster, and you know what, that's why Snyder isn't giving the "total control" thing to a coach cause he did it with Marty and Spurrier and we ended up with a totally disjointed team that had no identity or idea what it was. Now we have a roster that is built strong and is talented, just needs the right signal callers...

Anybody have any idea what type of offense Zorn will try to put together?

Zorn is disciple of Holgrem who was mentored by Walsh so are we now the west coast offense Redskins?

Isn't the west coast totally different than Gibb's Power Run offense?

Let's see...

#1 need for a QB in West Coast Offense - quick timing / accurate / short passes

#1 weakness area for Jason Campbell - not having a quick release & not being accurate on short passes

#1 need in a WR for West Coast offense - size & ability to make yards after catch and be physical

Redskins 2 WRs...2 midgets with speed

Yeah...might as well turn the roster over now.

mr snyder make me sad

I can hear the chants week 7 of next year "Run the Ball, Run the Ball"!

Look at the bright side guys... if Fassell is the next HC, we can expect the following:

1) a couple of years of first round play-off losses.

2) team revolt after said couple years

3) Campbell turning into the next Ramsey

4) Snyder makes another billion off of us fans

5) we get to rebuild again in 2010!

6) Snyder hires the guy who fills the Gatorade jugs for the Patriots (after all he is a part of a proven winner).

7) cycle repeats over again.

Haven't we gotten used to this scenario by now? Its been this way since the Squire passed away. I blame JK Cook.

"Now he's gone, he'll be snatched up in week probably by another NFC foe..."

I agree.

Al Saunders is an awesome coach and he will not have a problem finding a job.

He never had the talent here(average o-line, n00b QB, soft running back, always hurt WR's) and people should be willing to admit on here that Gibbs had his hand up his arse with play calling. Collins getting a chance to start showed what his offense could really do.

The funny thing is it WILL come back and bite the Redskins in the butt, I'm willing to bet on that.

Look at it this way Al, you're better off anywhere else then you were here. Sorry you had to come to such a disfunct organization, you're too good for that.

- Ray

"AD: Knute Rockney!"

He'd probably still be better then stinky old Fossil...err...Fassell. ;)

You might as well make jokes since the Redskins are the laughing stock of the NFL right about now.

Leprechaun Danny strikes again....

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 25, 2008 06:59 PM

jaypem posted something i thought was pretty funny. in reality, given the barrage of false alarms we've had thus far. nothing would suprise me. i'm as amused by the dysfunction of the redskins as i am of the dysfuntion of the sports media. they make a perfect couple.

I can't stand reading the Redskins news anymore! 25 years! I have been following the Redskins for 25 years! These decisions are as BAD as I have EVER seen! Give Bill Cowher a call! Please! Offer him whatever it takes. Everyone has a price. We will win the Super Bowl in TWO seasons maybe THREE. Proven winner!

Ray
I am Irish, will you stop calling him a Leprechaun and can all of you stop calling him Danny Boy? (the legandary Irish song) You are insulting the Irish and we did nothing to be insulted in this way!!!

I think the HC job is settled and we just don't know who it is.

Snyder didn't pull Zorn out of Seattle without Zorn KNOWING who he would be working for. Either that, or Zorn is a fool ... and I sort of doubt that.

Stitching rumors together, always a dubious thing to do, leads me to Fassel. If it was GG, he would want to interview Zorn. But we have heard nothing of the sort. It'd be pretty easy for Fassel to interview Zorn outside of Redskins Park, may even have happened a week ago. Plus it seems, again from rumors, that Zorn is Fassel's guy. That Zorn and Fassel have history together also makes it more likely that less interviewing was needed.

Not saying it coudn't be GG and I'm connecting some pretty weakly supported dots, but this points towards Fassel.

"C'mon, Zorn worked for GW in Buff."

Posted by: beyes | January 25, 2008 06:59 PM

Actually should read "Zorn worked for GW in the buff."

I think the next move they will make is to hire Pepper Rogers as head coach and make Bozo the Clown as DCOR.

I'm soooo confused...

Why do people post on here and then complain about people posting on here?

If not Nute Rockney, how bout the gipper?

When did we move to the West Coast? It's too freakin cold for this to be LA...

1 need for a QB in West Coast Offense - quick timing / accurate / short passes

#1 weakness area for Jason Campbell - not having a quick release & not being accurate on short passes

Posted by: mmz114 | January 25, 2008 07:02 PM

Well, maybe with a QB coach as OC he can develop some of those skills, they'd be desireable in any offense.

Zorn?
Dan should get with Al about renaming the team. Washington Raiders.

How could a guy worth 1 Billion be so screwed up.

I wonder what Coach Gibbs could have done without Danny and Vinny. I'll bet we'd have got another Super Bowl.

I really think Joe saw that there was no hope and point anymore with Dan and just had to leave. I can't blame him.

If they select Gregg as the next head coach he should show up at the press conference and publically turn them down.

It only took Dan two weeks to turn this team back into the joke it was before Joe Gibbs returned.

How Sad for the players and current coaches

- A former Life Long Redskins Fan

"Now we have a roster that is built strong and is talented, just needs the right signal callers..."

Are you kidding?

They are going to blow up the roster again. If not this yearm by next year for sure when they go 5-11 again. If you know anything about football coaches always want to bring in "their guys."

Ok, so Zorn is a West Coast guy. This team has NO players on offense that resemble that INCLUDING the QB.

Leprechaun Danny is an arse, all he wants to do is feed his ego.

- Ray

I bet Al ends up in Miami with Trent Green again running their offense.

Ohh Danny boy, you F***'ed up the Redskins

Through the players and down the coaching staff.

Our chances are gone and all hope is dying

Tis you, tis you must go so we dont cry...

"I really think Joe saw that there was no hope and point anymore with Dan and just had to leave. I can't blame him."

That's what I think also and he got out while he still had a shred of dignity.

I remember seeing an article when he first got back into coaching about his wife saying that "he was going to ruin his good name."

He probably saw his chance and ran with it. You just don't give up everything and run away like he did.

- Ray

If Fassel is going to be the Head Coach for the Was Redskins, we need to boy cot Dan Snyder by not going to at least one Redskins game. That will teach him a lesson that he needs to listen to the fans as well. At the end, the fans are the ones that make him filthy rich!!! ARgggggggggggggg!!!

"There is a blogger on Maske's blog claiming he actually talked to Williams..."

Was the blogger wearing a Long & Foster jacket?

The real question at hand is DOES ZORN KNOW WHO WILL BE THE NEW HEAD COACH?

If the answer is no, then he's a desperate fool. And Danny/Vinny have taken a critical step to completely compromise the new HC.

Think about it.

We'll know the answer about Zorn based on the new HC announcement timing.

Hey, not to get off topic... but how about trading to get the #1 spot from the Dolphins this year? Hmmmm? I'd give our 2009 1st rounder, Bloyd, and some other folks for it. Glenn Dorsey on our D-line, PLUS another 1st round pick? Mmmm. That sounds like some fine rebuilding right there.

Not to be picky, but it doesn't seen correct to say that Zorn has been "named" OC. Seems to be that he has "signed" would be more appropriate. When an announcement comes from the Skins he will have been "named."

Let's get Al and Dan to Switch Teams and see who can screw up the others worse than it already is.

WASHINGTON RAIDERS.

It is so hard to put into words how I feel right now. I have loved this team for darn near 38 years now. So many times I have felt like we (the fans) are being kick in the mouth. I honestly hope Snyder does the right thing and hire Williams but I already know that he will fail. Hire the O cord. before a coach is a joke and basically not having a GM is a joke. I just cannot believe this is happening yet again. Why is he doing this again. No way he cares at all about this team.

I can live with Zorn although this guy is Seahawk though and through. I suspect his family is probably hating his guts right now. But what the heck, take Snyder's money and run. It is always better to go home to Seattle rich.

As for Zorn's resume. How about that stint in Detroit. Batch turned out great, eh?

As for HC, I would rather have a baboon than Fassel. If Fassel becomes HC, I am done as a skins fan until he is gone.

Do the cool aid drinkers really think a Fassel lead team is going have sustained success against Dallas, New York, and Philly?

Can Gregg Williams do it? I don't know but I am sure as heck Fassel can't unless the team has a lot more talent than it has now - talent that takes years and luck to obtain. If that were to occur, a baboon as HC would be good enough.

Head Coaches hire Offensive Coordinators
Unless you are Jerry Jones or now Daniel Snyder. I guess we all know now who the real coach is gonna be.

What happens to Don Breaux, the current offensive coordinator? Everyone is talking about Saunders, but what about poor ol' Donny?

I think the Zorn move is a good one. Sure, Al has a good mind for offense and didn't have free reign here, but I think trying out someone new for JC's development isn't a bad idea. If it doesn't pay off, you can rest assured that Bill Cowher will be here next year to clean house.

Whoever teased about his work with Detroit... Charlie Batch is by far the best back-up QB in the NFL. There are few others I would trust to step in for the main man in a pinch than him. And Detroit, while craptastic, has had prolific passing for years (just no O-Line). Don't forget, Zorn has also worked to sculpt John Elway and Phil Simms.

I think the Zorn hire indicates that they have our HC picked and are waiting to get the pins lined up across the board. I can't see Fassel at HC and GW at DC still, but who knows (I hope manboobs gets the nod). Hopefully, whatever the case is, we'll prevail next year.

HAIL.

Oh, I guess that would be the Charlie Batch up for HOF consideration this year.

Posted by: jaypem | January 25, 2008 06:58 PM

if batch ever makes the HOF, i will never watch another NFL game again. ever.

What about Joe Bugel, Byner, Danny Smith and the others. Look at the great job those guys did this year as well.

There are true Redskins!!!

What about Joe Bugel, Byner, Danny Smith and the others. Look at the great job those guys did this year as well.

They are true Redskins!!!

Not sure what level of support Saunders had from the players, but it didn't seem to be the same as GG did.

I'll admit I'm mixed on this one. Saunders has a great offensive track record and we saw what Todd did with it. Saunders had a disaster on the right side of the line and a very young QB. So it was challenging for certain. Add in Moss dropping passes and Portis not showing up for a big chunk of the year. Overall, Saunders did a good, not great, job. Also, I have no idea how much Gibbs might have done to hold this back.

I'd have leaned towards keeping Saunders, but there are a lot of unknowns. One of the biggest, was Al really trying to adapt the offense to JC as much as he could.

Also, that side of the ball had too many coaches. Gibbs is more offense, plus Breaux and Buges have been around forever. My guess is that Breaux and Buges are also gone

Oh, I guess that would be the Charlie Batch up for HOF consideration this year.

Posted by: jaypem | January 25, 2008 06:58 PM

if batch ever makes the HOF, i will never watch another NFL game again. ever.

Oh, I guess that would be the Charlie Batch up for HOF consideration this year.

Posted by: jaypem | January 25, 2008 06:58 PM

if batch ever makes the HOF, i will never watch another NFL game again. ever.

What about Joe Bugel, Byner, Danny Smith and the others. Look at the great job those guys did this year as well.

They are true Redskins!!!

What about Joe Bugel, Byner, Danny Smith and the others. Look at the great job those guys did this year as well.

They are true Redskins!!!

Now that they've hired Zorn maybe they'll interview Williams for a fifth and maybe a sixth time. You have to be sure about these things. Maybe Snyder won't be able to make up his mind and Williams and Fossil will be the first co-hc in league history.

Posted by: josettes | January 25, 2008 06:50 PM

This is funny because it sound so plausible!!! I could definitely imagine Dan finding a way to hire co-hc's :(

Williams: Co-HC Defense
Fassel: Co-HC Offense
Vinny: Supreme Allied Director of HCs

Unfortunately, that also may be the label that goes best with GG. A great defensive coordinator whereever he's been, but only so-so any higher. He certainly was not a great improvement with the Bills as the top guy.

All that means is that Snyder will be slightly more cautious that he's exhausted every other viable possibility before making a final decision to elevate Williams--no matter how popular GG is with the troops.

Posted by: iliwai34 | January 25, 2008 06:42 PM

The tools are back in force.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3214665

Check this out...I think Al Davis doesn't want Danny-boy to out-scuz him.

He never had the talent here(average o-line, n00b QB, soft running back, always hurt WR's)

whoever wrote this is obviously taking the same thing as hendrix. calling portis soft is the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard. i ask that this be stricken from the record and the man or woman responsible be caned in a public square.

I think the HC job is settled and we just don't know who it is.

Snyder didn't pull Zorn out of Seattle without Zorn KNOWING who he would be working for. Either that, or Zorn is a fool ... and I sort of doubt that.

zcezcest1,

This is the true question at hand. If the Redskins don't announce very soon, then they have not decided. They have no reason to sit on the final decision.

Considering its Friday going into Super Bowl week, I think you're dead wrong. I believe they are piecing this crap together and they threw out the only 'good' news they had.

If Zorn signed without knowing, he's a complete fool.

Stay tuned.

"TouchDown" Washington! now let's see what the offense can do...

welcome to the skins superbowl!
you're listening LIVE from ashburn where it's 30* and we're waiting for the second quarter to start.

and what a game it is! no one knows what danny's gonna do next.

he has taken his plane off of the national air traffic database...yes, he likes to cover his mouth a la norv when he calls plays. what a catch by danny...zorn, zoro, el toro, my zoro, ohh you're my hero, jimbo, jim zoro...zorn porn...oops did i say that...haa haa...here comes jim zoroaster, zamboni, .....

and now back to action...

When Jim Zorn calls his first play call for the Redskins it will be the first play call he has ever made. Didn't you all see Holmgren calling all the plays when the took you out of the playoffs...Love the Danny...Where is John Cooke when you need him.

So, Jim Zorn has had several hours to deny the story that there is a deal in place. Looks like after flinging multiple strands of spaghetti against the wall, the sports reporters appear to have gotten one to stick. That's got to make 'em proud. By my count 5 false alarms to 1 apparently actual story. With accuracy like that, they could become weather reporters.

Barno,

Jasno wrote only yesterday that "Rex Ryan and Jim Zorn look like they are staying with their current teams."

How do you feel about that?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 25, 2008 06:03 PM

The same way I feel about nearly everything he writes.

But I love that guys like Puff Daddy believe are so gullible that they believe every last word that the beat reporter tells them, no matter how many times the things he has said have turned out to be wrong.

The Beat Reporter could come on here this very moment and post a thread stating he just heard from a "source" that Tommy Lasorda has become a candidate for the Redskins head coaching spot, and I absolutely ***guarantee*** there would be dozens--if not more--of folks on here slamming the Redskins for looking at former coaches from another sport...all because the Beat Reporter had a "source" he claims told him so...

that makes a lot of sense. hire the OC before you hire his boss.

gdennie -- totally agree with your post. No need for Skins mgmt to sit on anything at this point. If Zorn's did this w/o knowing who the coach will be, he is a fool.

If you want a sign pointing towards GG being named as coach, I think its this. Will Zorn call the plays? With Fassel, that is less likely. With GG, Zorn almost certainly calls the game.

That make this a much bigger step for Zorn.

So, when does baseball start?

I have been a Skins fan for 37 years and I can honestly say that I am concerned. I was there for Gibbs I and I am sad to see him go again. HOWEVER, as much as Gibbs is loved, all of us must remember that Snyder is tearing down a foundation that went 31-36 over 4 years. 31-36 people. That is hardly setting the NFL on fire. And it took 2 incredible winning streaks to reach the playoffs. I am still hoping that GW gets the nod but I am trying to give the Danny and the boys the benefit of the doubt here. Again, if it was 31-36 with anyone other than Gibbs, all of us would be screaming for a new coach right now.

barno

So what you are saying is that Jla is using WMD.

Words of mass deception.

Lets invade we will be greeted as liberators.

for all any of us knows, zorn could be a diamond in the rough. but doesnt bringing in a new oc contradict the continuity approach. cambell made strides last year in his second year of the same offense for the first time since he was a prep in mississippi. the mistake that dan made was to give the fans false hope about continuity. he wouldnt be doing his job if he didnt have a complete and exhaustive coach search, but why lie in the first place. that being said, as a longtime backer of snyder on this blog, im done. he has embarrased the franchise and himself. he needs to step back and stick to what he is good at, wining and dining free agents and giving them money.

and to those of you trading in your tickets, good riddance. hopefully your seats will go to true fans.

Ive heard it all now, WTOP is reporting that the reason Williams has not been hired is because Snyder is furious with Williams over not telling Joe Gibbs about the "missing man" tribute to Sean Taylor during the Buffalo game. Here is the link to the story, but you have to listen to the audio story on the same page titled Snyder upset with Williams to get the story in full detail. http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=293&sid=1333329

How in the world did the Danny make money with the poor way he runs a company.

Barno, you really believe that our man "P Diddy" is so gullible that he believes every last word Jason writes? I would give P Diddy more credit than that. He seems like a rather sophisticated chap.

And I believe he has no more trouble sorting out the mail from Jason than the rest of us: some of Jasno's blog comments are rumors he's passing along, some his analysis, some his guesswork, some his opinion. It's a freaking blog. We read it, we comment on it. Whoop de freaking doo.

Come on, dude. You are better than this.

I have been a Skins fan for 37 years and I can honestly say that I am concerned. I was there for Gibbs I and I am sad to see him go again. HOWEVER, as much as Gibbs is loved, all of us must remember that Snyder is tearing down a foundation that went 31-36 over 4 years. 31-36 people. That is hardly setting the NFL on fire. And it took 2 incredible winning streaks to reach the playoffs. I am still hoping that GW gets the nod but I am trying to give the Danny and the boys the benefit of the doubt here. Again, if it was 31-36 with anyone other than Gibbs, all of us would be screaming for a new coach right now.

Posted by: beercan

How much are you being paid. This is MF stupid.

Tool off the blog. No one would want Gibbs fired after making the playoffs with this season.

Where would the franchise be if we still had John Cooke?

...as much as Gibbs is loved, all of us must remember that Snyder is tearing down a foundation that went 31-36 over 4 years...

Posted by: beercan | January 25, 2008 07:37 PM

...and a team that a guy with 3 SB rings said he really thought was going to the SB this year. Look, the Gints are in it! The same Gints the Skins took apart late in the season. So Gibbs may have actually seen this team had what it took.

A lot of things went wrong for the Skins this year, no need to recount them all. This team requires tweeking, not an overhaul.

Gibbs 2 was a double edged sword. But what he did accomplish other than 2 playoff appearances? He restored respect to the team. That counts a lot in this league. Because that is what attracts players who like to win. He left the team in good shape.

My own opinion. If Gibbs on the sidelines was a sharp as he was in Gibbs 1.0, this team wins 11-12 games, not 9. Which means there is considerable upside just from improved game day coaching.

Gibbs was a great leader and did have the team prepared. The upside in keeping this thing together seemed obvious to me. But hey, I haven't spent billions and gone thru 5 coaches in 8 years, so what do I know ...

Playoffs was good for me, I was excited to get to the offseason to get this team healthy and make a run for SP, Gibbs definitely screwed that up, I understand why he did it, but screwed it up none the less.

Say it with me people:

It's got to be GW. It's got to be GW. It's got to be GW. It's got to be GW. It's got to be GW. It's got to be GW. It's got to be GW. It's got to be GW. It's got to be GW.

Ive heard it all now, WTOP is reporting that the reason Williams has not been hired is because Snyder is furious with Williams over not telling Joe Gibbs about the "missing man" tribute to Sean Taylor during the Buffalo game. Here is the link to the story, but you have to listen to the audio story on the same page titled Snyder upset with Williams to get the story in full detail. http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=293&sid=1333329

Posted by: Davo61 | January 25, 2008 07:41 PM

And WTOP would know this because Snyder told them? I have a hard time buyng that. Do they know this because Vinny told them? Again, not buying it. Did GW tell them? If it is in fact the case, I doubt they told him or that he would tell the media. This smacks of the typical anonymous source who is not in a position to know.

I haven't posted anything in a while, so can you guys get me in the loop. I don't think Saunders was the problem on offense. What do you guys think? Williams deserves a chance and this is a joke. Fassel, this guy cant even get a job as a coordinator.

You are missing the point. I am not saying Gibbs should have been fired. And I am convinced that the only coach in history that could have rallied this team through all the devastation is Gibbs. And I certainly wish Gibbs/Saunders/Williams had one more season to see if they could make it all work. But the reality of the situation is we still went 31-36 and without Gibbs for us to believe in, Snyder has no choice but to change personnel. Do you think Buges, Breaux, etc would be the same without Gibbs? And we all know Gibbs did not totaly subscribe to what Saunders brought to the table. Finally, Williams is a very different coach than Gibbs. Period. And even if he is named HC things will still be different. Let's just see how it al plays out

if batch ever makes the HOF, i will never watch another NFL game again. ever.

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 25, 2008 07:22 PM

My comment about Charlie Batch and the HOF (he's not really up for consideration) was supposed to be a little droll humor, for the benefit of those who think Batch's success under the tutelage of Zorn in Detroit (and/or since) proves Zorn's bona fides as an offensive wiz.

Frankly, I hope Zorn is the second coming of Bill Walsh, and the perfect guru for JCAM, but excuse me for asking a question and not swallowing the kool aid just yet.

Saunders at least turned Trent Green into a 4,000 yard passer in the NFL, and I would have liked to have seen what Al could have done with the keys to all the controls, after two years teaching his system to the offense.

That said, I was not all that happy with the offense the last two years either (who is?). So if Williams ends up as HC, I will be relieved (if troubled by the effect of the OC change on Campbell), and will hope that Zorn is an improvement over what we have had.

I listened to it also, Bambi ... sounds pretty far out there to me.

Davo61, thanks for the link... amazing, if true!

"Snyder is furious with Williams over not telling Joe Gibbs about the "missing man" tribute to Sean Taylor during the Buffalo game"

Why would he interview Williams four times?

If he's not going to hire him for this, why interview him at all? Okay, maybe a pro forma interview.

But not multiple ones.

The reason why they keep changing the staff is to give false hope raise prices and make money. look at how much publicity the skins have gotten nationally(good or bad I don't know) looking for a coach, that's why danny is taking so long. He's a genius when it comes to making money. doesn't care about fans.

FANS NEED TO STOP GOING TO GAMES. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY VINNY IS GOING TO GET FIRED.

cambell made strides

and to those of you trading in your tickets, good riddance. hopefully your seats will go to true fans.

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 25, 2008 07:40 PM

It's CamPbell

And I'll take those tickets!

if that wtop story is true, the team is in worse shape than any of us previosly imagined. that is the most petty and asanine thing i have ever heard any sports team owner do. it would truly put him in a class with angelos and al davis

Oh and by the way, I needed to mention one last point. In no way whatsoever do I subscribe to the notion that FASSEL SHOULD BE COACH!!! His players actually quit on him. And yes, I honestly believe that the person that DESERVES a second chance is Williams. He earned it in my book.

I don't trust much of anything that Jason La Canfora says about the Skins. He doesn't like the Skins, he hates Snyder, and he doesn't like reporting on the Skins (which we know because he complains about having to do it). But... if what he says is true about both Zorn being liked by both Williams and Fassel, then I think what the Skins are saying--that the door isn't closed to either Williams or Fassel, is probably true. I would rather that Snyder just get on with it and hire Williams. But maybe Snyder wants to talk to Spagnuola first to see if he'd rather work with him. I don't think it's right to keep Williams waiting, but he can't go anywhere without the Redskins' permission, so he'll still be there after the Super Bowl. I don't think Spagnuola would be a bad choice either, though. Just not Fassel; please not Fassel.

It's CamPbell

And I'll take those tickets!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 25, 2008 07:54 PM

lets hear it for the resident spell checker. thanks for the tip

Why would he interview Williams four times?

Posted by: SteveMG | January 25, 2008 07:53 PM

Listen to the link... there was a shouting match! You know, sometimes you just can't get all your shouting done in a single 12 hour session...

If it is Steve Czaban reporting that on WTOP then it is hogwash. What a vile human being (or is he a human being?) Czaban is.

lets hear it for the resident spell checker. thanks for the tip

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 25, 2008 07:57 PM

Just a little joke- check the screen name.

for those of you who dont trust jla's accuracy, the proffesor john clayton is reporting the same thing. btw i realize i spelled prof. wrong scamPbell

Gregg Williams - a grown adult with his own career who will be snapped up by a dozen teams if he's available - is going to be treated like a teenage boy who wrecked the car on a Saturday night?

I don't think so.

It sure seems like everything Gibbs accomplished has all been undone. Maybe Gibbs left for other reasons beside family. Overdose of Cerato and Danny boy possibly?

scampbell1975,

i know its a joke, im just kidding as well. i went to auburn the 4 years campbell was there so i certainly can spell his name but i type like a 4 yeart old.

I guess this is a good hire. Saunders was a disappointment who never lived up to the hype. I would guess Fassell or Williams will be the coach soon. It wouldn't make sense to now to hire McDaniel from New England since he is an offensive coach.

While the coach is important the real key is to add impact players in the upcoming draft to continue to build.

Lisa your just mad at the Czab cause he wouldn't kiss up to your boy Mark B, I love Czab was realistic and told it like it was, Brunel was washed up before he got here.

Zorn knows who he is working for its Snyder

I listened to it also, Bambi ... sounds pretty far out there to me.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 25, 2008 07:52 PM

I bleed Burgundy and Gold and am a major sports junky like most of the people here. What has been fascinating almost to the point of warranting a doctoral thesis in sociology is the sports media.

The very reporters that I like to read and listen to because I think they bring some really intelligent analysis just seem to go Weekly World News when it comes to the skins. It would not suprise me to read an ESPN or WAPO article that says Snyder is going to announce Bigfoot (the monster, not the monster truck) as the next HC.

Beercan:

Thank you for a moment of reason in this sea of overreaction.

My question is why hasn't Russ Grimm been interviewed? I think he is a candidate that would make everyone happy including the continuity camp.

Cyn City,

An article about what type of offense we can expect would be great. Are we talking west coast? Doesn't seem to fit with Soups skill set but hey, what do i know...

Fassel is Not going to be the next HC of the Wurshington Redskins. Repeat it outloud to yourselves as many times as it takes until it registers.

"The next HC is GW my friends", said John McCain, guaranteed. Zornhole leaked, that is why GW was not announced yet.

So in the end, all/most of you will get your wish.

But honestly, I echo earlier sentiments that this rediculous push for continuity is ummmm, rediculous. We all love Gibbs the man, but as a coach, as we learned in his 2nd tenure, he simply was a big piece of a very big puzzle.

I guess this is a good hire. Saunders was a disappointment who never lived up to the hype

Posted by: skinsFan74 | January 25, 2008 08:03 PM

I agree that Saunders was kind of dissapointing but let's remember, this isn't baseball, these things take time in football and with Snyder's track record I'm worried that he will continue his Steinbrenner like attitude towards running a team and canning everyone every two years if we don't win it all.

Hey, maybe this has been in the works since last fall when Mark Brunell was "definitely" being traded to Seattle. Maybe the deal involves Saunders going out there with Collins AND Brunell, and we get an OC and a bag of chips, and some fourth-round draft pick.

Beercan:

Thank you for a moment of reason in this sea of overreaction.

My question is why hasn't Russ Grimm been interviewed? I think he is a candidate that would make everyone happy including the continuity camp.

*****Simpsons Fans Only Alert*****

That link from WTOP conjured images of Mr Burns on his tirade with Frank Grimes (the man who had to work hard for everything).

Burns: "How dare you spill my priceless acid and destroy my valuarble wall... did you really think you were going to get AWAY with it?!?!?"

Grimes: "Sir, I..."

Burns: "SILENCE!!!! I'm going to give you one more chance to straighten up and fly right!"

*****Simpsons Fans Only Alert OFF*****

does this necesarily preclude the pats oc. havent we seen the past couplke years that the skins dont think that too many cooks can ruin the meal. their m.o. the past few years on both sides of the ball has been to collect as many good coaches, most were former coordinators, as possible. i can see them making a play for both the superbowl coaches they want and give them some fancy 8 word title. after the last few weeks anything is possible no?

"Why would he interview Williams four times?"

I heard a few things on this and I thought I would point it out here. All these "interviews" were not actually interviews, one of NFL Radio's guys said that one of his sources told him that at least 2 of these meetings were nothing more than lunch and they barely talked about the HC job at all. And remember the early reports that that The Danny's interviews were these long 10, 12, 14 hr marathons? Schwartz didn't get one of those, neither did Meeks, according to them. And did Fassel interview 2 or 3 times? It's been reported both ways. I guess my point is simple, we need to wait and see what ACTUALLY happens before we criticize(or more accurately, launch an all out assault on) how big a mistake this all is. Remember that Lombardi was the Packers' 4th choice as coach way back when. We want wins right? Well, we havne't lost any games with the new staff coming in so let's just chill and let it all play out.

And anyone who wants to throw their tickets away, I'll take em in a heart beat. I am not capable of leaving my team, and I will ALWAYS support them!

Czaban is an idiot. I switched to XXX and he is a huge reason why.

wait john zorn is now on the staff??? get ready for some mind fcuk saxaphone solos over the PA!!!!!

Amen craig2. Hail to the Redskins!

And anyone who wants to throw their tickets away, I'll take em in a heart beat. I am not capable of leaving my team, and I will ALWAYS support them!

Posted by: craig2 | January 25, 2008 08:10 PM

I bleed burgandy and gold with you HAIL!!