I'm going on a cruise the day after the HOF inductions. I swear, if Monk & Green get in, there's no way I can't work in a stop in Canton before I head to the cruise ship.

first

Rod Woodson is letting Adam Schefter have it about the flawed selection system. Schefter used to vote. Woodson says the voters are narrow minded :)

they should all be locks. top 5...i'll take it.

Um...why aren't there any voters from the Post? That can't help.

matt mosley is saying on his ESPN blog he has heard 10 got in...which would be a positive sign i think...

also that the biggest fight was Taglibou....also a good sign...

10 people? I thought 6 was the max...

6 is the max. I think there might be a provision for a 7th candidate if he's an old-timer...not sure, though.

Don't forget Emmitt Thomas in all of this. If he gets in as well, that would mean one more 'Skins player/coach in the HOF.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/hashmarks/0-5-280/Hush-Hush--HOF-panelists-tight-lipped-about-vote.html

maybe the shave down again....its like the masons

Selection Criteria:
http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/SelectionProcessFAQ.jsp

"between 4 and 7" new inductees every year.

i stand corrected...thanks!

i really hope Monk gets in....its such a joke....

Dr. Z i will take back 25 years of bashing you if you lift the ban....

Len Shapiro is a voter. I guess he technically dosen't work for the Paper Post. But he does write articles on the web Post.

They just have to get in.....I've already bought my tickets to the ceremony.....

Ah. Ok. Thanks for the clarification, 4th. I just read Shapiro's piece today, and was about to ask, "What about Shapiro?"

i really hope Monk gets in....its such a joke....

Dr. Z i will take back 25 years of bashing you if you lift the ban....

Posted by: clawrence | February 2, 2008 03:48 PM

F Dr Z and the horse he rode in on...for that matter F Len P and all the other D-Bags who refuse to look at the cold hard facts and vote Monk in. He should have been in years ago and I, for one, refuse to believe he will not be elected before long by the majority of writers who will finall see the light. THIS YEAR!!

HAIL SKINS, HAIL ART MONK, HALL OF FAMER

cosmofla

cosmo,

i agree...just saving my full court venom press until the list is out...

Dr Z has said THIS YEAR he is going to vote for James Arthur Monk. We shall see

Schefter said only 1 wide receiver will get in...and SHOCKER - he does not think it will be Cris Carter this year...actually said Monk has a better chance although Cris will get in at some point.

Rod Woodson CONTINUES to say how worthy Art Monk is....

Big Upps to Rod Woodson, also like his bigger point about the selection process....hope it doesn't hurt him when his time comes...

the arguements against Monk are almost to silly to believe...

How can you retire as the alltime receptions leader and not be a first year lock?

I believe the voters are beginning to see Monk's many accomplishments - I will be stunned if he does not get in this go-around.

CBT...i hope i am wrong...but be prepared to be stunned

If Monk gets in, we'll have to find another thing to complain about... but what? (tongue in cheek)

btw, nfl.com is carrying the HoF announcements live at 4:30.

dorf, c'mon....you know we never complain about anything :)....and we all get along so well....:)

absolutely absurd he is not in. Not only was he number 1 at retirement (actualy he was 2, rice past him just before he retired, but nonetheless was #1 for a very long time), held the record for most receptions in a season, but he also had the reception streak that people forget. Also, the most impressive stat is the number of receptions caught for 1st downs. It really is ridiculous he is not in. Also, while I love Darrell Green, I really can't understand why he would be a first ballot if monk is not. He played longer than Monk but in no way has the stats Monk did to support him. He should be in, but I just don't think his credentials are more than Monks.

....Wait for it... Wait for it....

Just open the envelope!

Green and Monk are top 5!!!!!

Art Monk Finally!!!! Of course DG #28! Its a Redskins Hall!!!!

http://www.profootballhof.com/enshrinement/ticket_policies.html

Green and Monk are in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YES!!!!!

WOOOOOHOOOOOOO

Dean, Green!!!!, Mink!!!!, Thomas!!!!, Tippett, and Zimmerman

weeeeeeeeeeeee both made it

2008 Enshrinees:
Fred Dean
Darrell Green
Art Monk
Emmitt Thomas
Andre Tippett
Gary Zimmerman

Wooooohoooooo!

Congrats Art, Darrell, and Emmitt!

GREEN AND MONK ARE IN!!!!!

yes!

Hip Hip....

Hooraaay!

Art Monk and Darrell Green IN

Classy props out to Monk by Eisen

Finally!!! Hail Skins!!!!

yes!!!!!!!!!!!! finally.

Hail to the REDSKINS!!!!!!!!

Dean, Green!!!!, Mink!!!!, Thomas!!!!, Tippett, and Zimmerman

Posted by: CBT | February 2, 2008 04:36 PM

Monk, too!

Hail to the Redskins! Hail to these truly great men!

Hold it together Darrell. It's too early for me to boo hoo.

Wooo HOOO!
#81 long over due

Something good after a very painful year. Now all I need is for us not to make Fassel the HC

Road Trip!

Who's coming?

Excellent!

Green and Monk in - what a throwback to a day when all was so right with our Skins. Both epitomized great talent together with hard work and humility in a franchise that always seemed to get more from its players than perhaps they had, individually. I miss it. Looked like those days were back until just a month ago. No we are back in the "let's buy a championship" days.

Just bought 4 for the event! I can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Uhhhhh...is this his induction speech...?

Yeah-yeah-yeah. Finally Art gets his due!

I got 4 tickets!!! I can't wait!!!!

They need to make D Green a coach.

Congrats to Monk and Green! Grimm got robbed. How can you have a football hall of fame with no Hogs?

Congrats to Green & esp Monk. It was a long time coming. I've never been to the Hall of Fame before, it looks like its time to start making plans.

YESSSSSSS MMMMMAAAAAANNNNNN!

-ArtMonkToTheHALL!

I am so happy today. My childhood is validated.

AMTTS

When you ordered the tix, do you get seat number?

drouhier I am really happy for your brother. You have been on here pushing for Monk more than anyone.

When you order, it tells you exactly where you are sitting. $59 a ticket. Buy them up!

It' about time Art got into the HOF. I was beginning to think the whole thing was fixed, which it probably is. Congratulations to Darrell too. Much deserved for both of you.

I'm not a current fan of pro sports but when these guys played, I was as rabid a 'skins fan as ever existed.

AT LAST!!!! Glory Hallelujah!! AT LAST!!

Skins fans don't have much to be happy about these days so this was the best news in a long time.

Congrats to Art and Darrell !

He finally made it!

Congrats Art!

AND Darrell!

- Ray

YAAAAAAA HOOOOOOOOOO!

Congrats Art Monk! Finally!

Yay Darrell!

Justice has been served! All of the autographs I got in RFK parking lot, the next ones I get will be in Canton followed by HOF 2008!

AMTTS, time to change the moniker. I'd suggest AMTTHOF

Great day. Long in coming.

HAIL

WOOOOOOO HOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am just THRILLED that Art Monk made it after all these years of waiting. One of the classiest guys ever to wear a Redskins uniform, both on and off the field -- like his teammate Darrell Green.

With Art, Darrell and Fred Dean (plus coach Emmitt Thomas), it's a Redskins year at the HOF. Applause!!!!!

Time to put in the Hogs: Grimm, Jacoby, and Bostic. Can I get an Amen?

"Mr." Snyder...on the NFLN set in just a moment...

Vinny spotted in the audience talking to Doug Williams.

Maybe Doug's going to be our new head coach...

This is AWESOME!

I've started making plans to attend. My two favorite players of all time inducted on the same day? How could I not be there? :)

The tentative plan is to fly from Seattle to Pittsburgh, get picked up by my dad who'll be driving from VA, and take it from there. Probably spend Fri. & Sat. night in Pittsburgh, and fly home on Sunday. I'm holding off buying tickets for a day or two until we find out if one of my step-mom's sons (Bears fan) wants to join us. My step-mom's uncle was Bill George, inducted into the HOF in '74:

http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=73

NFL Network just said Darrell and SNYDER are going to talk with them next....interesting to see if anyone asks Snyder about the debacle of our coaching search.

Eat it Chris Cater!

About darn time...

CLASS ACTS! AMEN. Thank you Art and Darrell.

I just got my tickets for the ceremony... hope ohio isn't bad in august!

Answered prayers. Darrell Green and Art Monk are two of the classiest gentlemen that ever put on an NFL uniform. We were blessed to have them here.

Two class acts. Congrats!

Wow. What a day, and what an honor. Congrats to two of my three favorite Redskins. Sadly the third (Champ Bailey) will not go in as a Redskin.
Great job guys and well deserved. The drought has ended.

FINALLY! It now becomes the Hall of Fame rather than the Hall of Shame. Congrats Art and Darrell. Now would you please make your jerseys available and affordable so us fans can wear them with pride!!!

I'm holding off buying tickets for a day or two until we find out if one of my step-mom's sons (Bears fan) wants to join us. My step-mom's uncle was Bill George, inducted into the HOF in '74:

http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=73

Posted by: freakzilla | February 2, 2008 05:33 PM

Freak, you better get the tix now if you plan on buying Floor Seats. A magority of those have been brought up. I just waited 30 minutes on the phone.....

Snyder said he was very close to Sean Taylor. Snyder was also asked if he was going to hire Mooch....he was very evasive about who he plans to hire or WHEN. Darrell was asked if he has advised Snyder who to hire and he said "we'll talk about it" and then laughed....

interesting to see if anyone asks Snyder about the debacle of our coaching search.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 2, 2008 05:33 PM

Wait a minute. You're saying the coaching search is a debacle? Why hasn't Jasno posted anything about this?

I hope the press has the good grace to stay away from this. Today is the day to celebrate Art and Darrell, not to try to poke Mr. "Snyder" in the eye. But, knowing the media...

I'm so happy for Monk and Green, especially Monk. I never had more respect for two Redskins' players as I do these two outstanding players and men, and that's coming from a life long Cowboys' fan. Again, congrats to these OUTSTANDING Men!!

Time to put in the Hogs: Grimm, Jacoby, and Bostic. Can I get an Amen?

Posted by: macaro | February 2, 2008 05:28 PM

Amen!

Better late than never! Who would've thought I'd be cheering on a Super Bowl weekend when the Skins weren't playing?! Anybody know how to score tix to the ceremony in Canton?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MonkAr00.htm?redir

As I stated above, Schefter did ask Snyder about the coaching search.....basically ask if they (the NFL Network) were going to lose Steve Mariucci. Schefter was not rude at all.

I have a question I hope someone can answer (Cindy?)....if the Skins organization is not talking to any media outlet about who they plan to hire....and I'm sure they have instructed the candidates to keep their mouths shut...how in the world does John Clayton get inside info? Clayton STILL INSISTS the Skins will hire Fassel next week :(

This is GREAT news! The HOF finally got it right. Best news this off season. I'll make a trip for this.

countystyle, go to profootballhof.com and you can preorder tickets.

yes......

Here's to hopin' that this is the turn in the karmic wheel for our squad. Gotta love #81. Darryl and Emmitt definitely deserved it too.

AWE. SOME.

Time to put in the Hogs: Grimm, Jacoby, and Bostic. Can I get an Amen?

Posted by: macaro | February 2, 2008 05:28 PM

Amen!

Posted by: skinfanman | February 2, 2008 05:59 PM

Amen... and Starks and May! Maybe not so much Bostic, though and don't forget Donny Warren!

OOHHH and Raliegh McKenzie and Jim Lachey and maybe Mark Schlereth... Ok maybe not.

Congrats to Art and Darrell, and big BOO to WBAL TV in Baltimore. When the sportscaster reported the induction, the station showed highlights of Darrell in his only uniform, and Art in an iggles uniform. How gauche is that.

It still baffles me that a man who was the league's all-time leading receiver and played on 4 Super Bowl teams at the time of his retirement was not a first ballot inductee. The only saving grace is now that he is finally in, he gets to go in with a longtime teammate. Congrats to 2 of the greatest Skins, on and off the field, in the history of the franchise. Long overdue for one and well deserved for both.

I was watching the press conference online, and I was absolutely euphoric when I heard the names "Darrell Green" and more importantly "Art Monk." It's about time. Hail to the Redskins!

That is so big...this is a great day for all redskins fans, because these last few weeks have been slightly for stressful...Man i'm trying to get some people together to try and go down there.

Got my Tix - See you all in Canton

4th, supreme thanks for the heads-up on tix. I successfully ordered 2 on the floor. Apparently you can't buy 3 on the floor, just in the stands. Makes sense, I guess. Step-mom's son didn't get back to my dad in time, so I had to pull the trigger. I have the benefit of having three computers at arm's length, so I was able to jump from one to the other to keep trying to get the best seats possible. Ended up with section 33, an upgrade from section 37. The tickets are ordered and paid for, and I'm psyched. Super-psyched, even. :)

Art on his getting in...
http://www.nfl.com/halloffame/story?id=09000d5d80672d4e&template=with-video&confirm=true

If you click on the videos below you will hear Art and Mr Green's 2 minute speeches. Both are so elegant and Darryl is able to sum up being a redskin in a few sentences.

Bobby Beathard, who Sports Illustrated once called "the smartest man in the NFL" has now drafted two HOFs in Green and Monk and hired a third in Gibbs. He will have a fourth after Junior Seau retires. Why won't the Danny hire Bobby?

Okay who was the greater roll model for the Washington/ Baltimore Metropolitan Area in the 80's-90's Green, Monk or Cal?

Finally something to be happy about as a Skins fan.

Congrats to D. Green for a first ballot selection. And congrats to A. Monk for finally making it to the HOF and for being so professional all those years he was snubbed.

I'll enjoy this for 2 days then go back to the realization that this franchise is a joke when Fassel is named HC.

-Rick Bob

From Wiki.

Bobby Beathard
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Bobby Beathard is a former general manager in the National Football League. Over the course of his 38 years, his teams competed in seven Super Bowls (winning four times), beginning with the Kansas City Chiefs in 1966, Miami Dolphins in 1972 and 1973, Washington Redskins in 1982, 1983, and 1987, and the San Diego Chargers in 1994.
Beathard first joined pro football in 1963 as a part-time scout for the Kansas City Chiefs. He left the Chiefs briefly to scout for the American Football League and returned to Kansas City full-time after the AFL-NFL merger in 1966. He earned his first championship ring as a member of the 1966 Chiefs organization.
Beathard served as a scout for the Atlanta Falcons from 1968 through 1971. In 1972, Beathard was named director of player personnel for the Miami Dolphins. The Dolphins won the following two Super Bowls. In 1978, the Washington Redskins named Beathard general manager. During his tenure in Washington, Beathard and head coach Joe Gibbs led the Redskins to three Super Bowls and two championships.
Beathard retired as general manager of the San Diego Chargers in 2002 after 10 seasons with the club. In just his third season in San Diego, the organization won its first AFC Western Division championship in more than a decade and, after five years, appeared in its first Super Bowl.
Beathard's son, Casey Beathard, is a country music songwriter.[1]

Man, it feels good to see that a man who wouldn't play the hat-in-hand, give-the-reporter-some-face-time, ya-gotta-go-sell-yourself game can get in simply on the merits.
Kind of like when an honorable man gets elected... happens almost never, but is incredibly invigorating and ... proper when it does.

Great for Art and Green.

Now we just need of the O line in.

Happy News - finally!

What makes this news even better is that they kept out Carter, just months after he wrote that Monk didn't deserve to be in the Hall.

LOL!

SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To answer Dorf's question...now I can complain about Grimm! He needs to get in! but I will agiate for that later!!! Today is for happiness!!!!

Finally...i am more emotional than I even expected to be...

RI Tailgate party in Canton!!!

Hail To The Redskins! Two class acts and true Redskins. Hail Art Monk and Darrell Green! Well deserved honors.

Anyone have hotel recommendations in Canton? I see on the HOF site their hotel is the Holiday Inn...any other places people recommend?

Love Grimm, hope he lands a HC job and does well, maybe a Super Bowl or two because that's his path to the HOF. Jacoby was the elite Hog, hope he'll get in, but I don't see any of the others making it...

Hi I'm Joe Jacoby and this is my wife Irene. When I watch my friends Art Monk and Darrell Green get into the Hall of Fame, I do it on a Theater Vision.

FINALLY!

Please go to Canton to cheer and support Monk and Green. Haillllll to the Redskins!!!!!

Hi I'm Joe Jacoby and this is my wife Irene. When I watch my friends Art Monk and Darrell Green get into the Hall of Fame, I do it on a Theater Vision.

Posted by: JustinBaker | February 2, 2008 09:16 PM

Great pull - a classic!

I'm still baffled at how Michael Irvin beat Monk into the Hall. But hey it's over now. Congrats guys!

"I'm still baffled at how Michael Irvin beat Monk into the Hall."
The cowardly reporters figured he had a gun.

They were right.

Hey, watching the '72 skins losing to the champagne-poppers. Who's backing up Kilmer? None other than the infamous Sam Wyche.

He's been out of (head) coaching about as long as Gibbs... and as a former QB could be a great developer for JC.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you your "This kinda worked last time" head coaching candidate...

Freak.....can't wait to see you there. I've 6 tickets on the floor ...row 3...and a hotel room to boot. It should be a great weekend!

HA Ha Mr. big mouth Cris carter can shove it up his wazoo!

I know a certain middle school teacher who "borrowed" a digital projector from one of the computer labs so he can watch a 10 foot tall Tom Brady take on a 10 foot tall Eli Manning. Consequently, Brian "homeless man" Belicheat will be 10 feet tall as well. Any wardrobe malfunctions will also be 10 feet tall... let's just hope its not Tom Petty.

It's 1am, is Darrell's speech over yet?

Irvin got in last year, I guess he beat Darrell one last time

The Hall of Fame just got an upgrade in both class and quality.

Hail

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/hashmarks/0-5-296/Hash-Exclusive--Snyder-talks-about-coaching-search.html

no news, but something...

Irvin got in last year, I guess he beat Darrell one last time

Posted by: SwiftIT | February 3, 2008 01:05 AM

Guess Irvin's "injuries" and drug habit caught up with him and caused him to retire earlier, making him HOF-eligible earlier. (12 years in the NFL - retired at 33.) Elected in his third (?) year of eligibility.

Darrell Green, who is six years older than Irvin, played in the NFL for 20 years. (Came in 5 years earlier; left 3 years later.) Elected in his first year of eligibility.

So, who beat who?

Only an assclown like Norv would have ever made a comment like yours. He should be pleased, now that he has you for company.

More sad news!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/02/AR2008020202403.html

Gibbs, who resigned Jan. 8, spoke yesterday about his role in the hiring process. "I've been purposefully kind of standing back because I didn't think I should be talking while the process is taking place. But I also think that some people have taken that the wrong way, that I had a problem with the process, and that's not the case at all."

Staff writers Jason Reid in Washington, and Les Carpenter and Mark Maske in Phoenix, contributed to this report.

Gibbs, who resigned Jan. 8, spoke yesterday about his role in the hiring process. "I've been purposefully kind of standing back because I didn't think I should be talking while the process is taking place. But I also think that some people have taken that the wrong way, that I had a problem with the process, and that's not the case at all."

Staff writers Jason Reid in Washington, and Les Carpenter and Mark Maske in Phoenix, contributed to this report.

Gibbs, who resigned Jan. 8, spoke yesterday about his role in the hiring process. "I've been purposefully kind of standing back because I didn't think I should be talking while the process is taking place. But I also think that some people have taken that the wrong way, that I had a problem with the process, and that's not the case at all."

Staff writers Jason Reid in Washington, and Les Carpenter and Mark Maske in Phoenix, contributed to this report.

leevi98

I don't want to piss on the good news blog but.....

"But I also think that some people have taken that the wrong way, that I had a problem with the process, and that's not the case at all"

Did you see anywhere in the story that Gibbs said they were doing a good job? This is what we call political speak don't lie just don't say anything bad. They were going to put in a 3-4 (which is stupid for this team with two old and one injured starting LB). They got rid of Sanders for Zorn (stupid but arguable). ect. ect. ect. Oh yes Vinny is the GM.

Here's the question of the day for all of us:

Only ONE number has been officially retired in the history of the framchise (#33, Sammy Baugh).

Do #81 and #28 deserve to be officially retired? Answer dispassionately.

Discuss.

My answer: yes.

It makes me sick to see that low class f head with our great player D Green during the hall of fame news. He had nothing to do with D Green or Monk getting in.

F U Snyder - bring in Fassel and let the good times role.

I say NO.

Retire ST number.

Think about 50 years from now we won't have any numbers left if you do two a decade.

We have the ring of fame.

Think about 50 years from now we won't have any numbers left if you do two a decade.

Posted by: mul | February 3, 2008 05:20 AM

Wait! We're down to 10 numbers? :)

Maybe Vinny can trade our 2nd and 3rd this year to Cleveland for their unretired numbers--they've got bunches...

I think that #28 should be retired. He was a lifelong Redskin, an all decade player, and a first time hall of famer. Given the totality of his accomplishments, I could see retiring his number. While Monk was an outstanding player and deserved to be in the hall of fame, I don't think he reaches Green's level of impact to the Redskin and the NFL in general.

Lets retire vinnyDAN's number.

This will be the last piece of good news for the skins for the next 27 years. So lets enjoy.

Can you all believe that vinnyDAN was about to get Fassel to be the coach in 2004 after the ball coach. Four years transpired, Fassel was fired, and nothing better came along than Fassel. Wow just Wow. Unless the Giants win then another coach will tell vinnyDAN to go to hill and Fassel will still be the HC.

Give the Snyder-bashing a rest for one day....damn, at least do it on another post.

I watched Art Monk play his entire career here in DC -- I don't remember him making a single big play when the game was on the line -- they always went elsewhere when a game needed to be won -- he should never have been elected to the HOF

Do #81 and #28 deserve to be officially retired? Answer dispassionately.

Discuss.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 3, 2008 05:15 AM

Before retiring them they should retire #9, #42 and #49. Maybe also #43 and #44. But the Redskins have had a policy about retiring numbers. There is one number that should be retired in a ceremony at the home opener: #21.

f bestmick1

Art Monk was finally voted in and deservedly so. He should have gone in a long time ago.

There were multiple reasons why he went in this time. One was that the voters decided they'd make up for several deserving players like Fred Dean and Andre Tippett. But also I think there was a lot of sympathy for the Redskins this time. The way the organization handled the Taylor tragedy with class and inspiration impressed the entire football world and, I think, allowed voters to consider all things Redskin in a different light.

I like the idea of what the skins do with most the numbers now. #33 is the only retired number every other number is simply a do not wear number. I think the policy should be numbers are designated as off limits unless a player goes to the "owner" of that number in person and asks for permission like Campbell did with Doug Williams.

I do agree though if you were to retire any number for the skins it would be 28. All the great players we have been mentioned but I many of them played for more then one team and soforth.

I do agree though if you were to retire any number for the skins it would be 28. All the great players we have been mentioned but I many of them played for more then one team and soforth.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 3, 2008 10:51 AM

This strikes me as a comment by someone who did not see the Redskins of the 60s and early 70s.

i like the idea of not retiring numbers (save sean taylor) as a rule, that then eliminates debate which gets old...

The ring of honor does the same thing i feel.

NFL Network just reports that Gregg Williams was talking to the Cowboys now. WTF!

Should the Redskins retire #28 and #81?

No. I agree with the poster who said that a new player should ask the former owner of that number for permission to wear that number. A new player hopefully would look at the ring of honor and measure himself honestly to that person before asking. The team and staff itself has a collective memory that judges the worthiness of allowing a player take a famous number.

Remember that the Redskins have been here for 75 years! For most bloggers that is about 45 years older than their living memory span. Starting to retire numbers would weight the process to the most recent in memory and would lessen the accomplishments of those who preceeded them, who may have been as influential in their own time but whose memory has faded with the passing of those fans.

I am sure to catch hell for this next idea. I do not believe that #21 should be retired either. We are at this time still emotionally ragged in all aspects of Sean Taylor. I do wish that we not issue that number for a period of time. Nor do I think that any present Redskin would take on the burden of playing with that number at the present. To me the best way to honor the player and the number would be hold #21 for the player who in the future that plays most in the style of Sean Taylor AND exhibits the character to be a team leader. Then the number #21 would be awarded as a mantle for that player to wear and would be a living reminder and tribute to Sean Taylor. (The example that comes to mind if he were to reincarnate into another player would be Kenny Houston.) Of course that player would have to change his own number in a public ceremony but I think that would give far higher dignity and importance to #21.

Gregg Williams to the Cowboys!!?!!!?!

I hate to say it but there would be some sort of twisted justice to this. Slapping Snyder's face twice a year would have to feel good for double g.

He should've been ours. Freaking Snyder.

WOOHOO! Late in the game today (was getting on the plane to Texas when the HOF was announced, but was on the phone with my sister, so I knew the good news before my three hour flight!)

Anyway, are you sure that #33 has been retired? I thought that we had not retired ANY numbers.

I also agree - I think that the "unofficial" number retiring works now.

Oh and proudly wearing my #28 jersey at the bar here tonight (my #81 is too big and it will look like I have on no pants -it's about 75 there today - nice change from DC lately!)

suzannepdc,
Pulled this from Wikipedia's page on the skins

Retired numbers
33 Sammy Baugh, QB-S-P, 1937-52
[edit]Unofficial retired numbers
The Redskins' policy since Baugh's retirement has been to not retire numbers. However, some numbers are unofficially retired and are usually withheld from being assigned to new players. The following numbers of past Redskin greats fall into that category.
7 Joe Theismann, QB, 1974-85
9 Sonny Jurgensen, QB, 1964-74
28 Darrell Green, CB, 1983-2002
42 Charley Taylor, WR, 1964-77
43 Larry Brown, RB, 1969-76
44 John Riggins, RB, 1976-79, 1981-85
49 Bobby Mitchell, RB, 1962-68
51 Monte Coleman, LB, 1979-94
65 Dave Butz, DT, 1975-88
70 Sam Huff, LB, 1964-69 (Worn by Leonard Marshall in 1993)
81 Art Monk, WR, 1980-93
84 Gary Clark, WR, 1985-92
The use of unofficial retired numbers drew controversy during Steve Spurrier's first year as head coach[36] Quarterbacks Danny Wuerffel and Shane Matthews first wore 7 and 9 respectively during training camp. The resulting sports talk furor led to them switching to 17 and 6.[36] During the season, reserve tight end Leonard Stephens wore number 49 for the season. After his retirement as assistant GM, Bobby Mitchell blasted the team, accusing late owners Edward Bennett Williams and Jack Kent Cooke of racism for not being considered for GM and was upset that the team would let a player like Leonard Stephens wear his number.[37]

But I would have thought that Shane Matthews' performance as a Redskins quarterback would have earned him the right to wear #9 a la Sonny.

(Sorry, couldn't resist)

Alex - thanks for the info.

What makes this news even better is that they kept out Carter, just months after he wrote that Monk didn't deserve to be in the Hall.

LOL!

Posted by: info | February 2, 2008 08:13 PM

Anyone have a link to this?

So now to get to my point earlier. A lot of our great players who's numbers have been unofficially retired played in places other then DC. I think a prerequisite of an official number retirement should be playing your entire career on the Redskins.

alex,

i see the merits in that idea, but, look at Monk he wanted to finish his career here but that geek Norv ousted him...so why would that reflect negatively on Monk?

Riggins we got from somewhere...

In the transient NFL, that idea could never stand, the DGs are done. DG was even weird for his era...

Bobby Mitchell blasted the team, accusing late owners Edward Bennett Williams and Jack Kent Cooke of racism for not being considered for GM and was upset that the team would let a player like Leonard Stephens wear his number.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 3, 2008 12:48 PM

Did Bobby Mitchell have a screw loose?

Give the Snyder-bashing a rest for one day....damn, at least do it on another post.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 3, 2008 09:55 AM

Or at least wait until after he's actually hired a new coach.

Bobby Mitchell blasted the team, accusing late owners Edward Bennett Williams and Jack Kent Cooke of racism for not being considered for GM and was upset that the team would let a player like Leonard Stephens wear his number.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 3, 2008 12:48 PM

Did Bobby Mitchell have a screw loose?
Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 3, 2008 01:17 PM

Not sure, I just pulled that from Wiki.

alex,

I just looked up "loose screw" on Wikipedia. Fortunately, it didn't have a picture of Bobby Mitchell. So, maybe this was taken out of context.

That is some good quick thinking there TE. Buy the way how do you rate the Talent on the blog these days? It seems that things here are dead.

alex,

It seems to me the blog has calmed down since the coaching search went into hibernation mode. Before that there were a lot of people I hadn't seen before with deep-seated anger and a lynch mob mentality. Some of the regulars seem to be MIA.

That said, I always find something interesting up here. Sometimes it's about the Redskins.

Isn't the mooch supposed to be interviewing right now?

Mooch is on the NFL Network set right now. I just saw him live a few minutes ago.

Drive-by post....

YAHOO for Monk and Green!! Two outstanding athletes and teamates and two class acts on and off the field.

The HOF induction ceremony will be awesome because of all the Skins who will be there. Great day. Great day.

Get better MW.

Go Giants (cough splutter cough) Go Giants.

WOO HOO! For Monk! Great day!

Yippeee for Green too!

Good God... Adam Schefter just said Charles Grant, who plays for the Saints, was stabbed in the neck last night. Apparently, a pregnant woman was shot and killed in the same night club altercation.

Conflicting reports on that. I just read that Grant is actually in Houston this altercation was in New Orleans.

correction the altrication was in ATL.

correction the altrication was in ATL.

Oh for crying out loud. I want to watch some football pre-game and Fox has GOD DAMN Ryan Secrest doing a celebrity Red Carpet for the game. when I want to watch football the last person I ever want to see is f***ing Secrest. Does anyone think that Secrest can throw a ball?

The Super Bowl is jumped the shark.

Bobby Mitchell does not have a screw loose. The Redskins were the last team to have a black player (Mitchell) and that's pathetic. Then Mitchell is part of the organization for many years, makes the Hall of Fame, is in the admin but is never considered up for the GM position. They'd give him an "assistant" GM title but whenever the head GM position came up, they never approached him...and this was when there was no black GM in the league.

and no, i'm not saying he should have been hired because he was black. But you can see his frustration with the franchise but he was ALWAYS a loyal, class act. and then for them to allow some random player (Leonard Stephens) to wear his unofficially retired number was just bogus.

alex my man the SB jumped the shark in the 70's!!!

bobby mitchell can feel whatever he wants in my book, and i support him!

chris LaRrY....OUT!

OMG! Did you just see the clip of Ronnie Lott? Talk about bring the wood.

jm2Fruity,

are you obsessed with "wood" and bringing it?

For the record the Redskins integration question is an unusual one to me. I don't dispute it in terms of African american players they were the last team to have a player. But the team had integrated prior to that in terms of minorities having had a Native American Head coach in 1933.

alex, I think "Lone Star" Dietz's claims to a Native American heritage are dubious at best.

In any event, Bobby Mitchell knows full well the history of the Redskins, and I would be loathe to question his authority on the circumstances of his acquisition and career as a player and his time in the front office.

And for Dan Snyder to have let Mitchell be humiliated by seeing his number worn by some nobody, and then let him leave the organization without (from what we know) doing anything to make it right, was nothing short of a disgrace, and remains one of the biggest blemishes (and that's saying something!) on the Snyder regime.

Interesting thoughts on the Snyder/Ceratto/Swanson connection:

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/display.php?id=34513

I read the article in the link above, and guess eveyone is tryign to make it evident that Dan snyder is a bad guy.

I as a fan have sat back had blinders on when it came to how things operated. I guess unitl he goes hout the
Skins won't win.

The Six Flags investment has gone south, but it's not as bad as City Paper claims. Snyder bought most of his stock near the previous bottom -- $3 to $6 a share -- not the $12 peak that the story is premised on. The stock did rose in anticipation of his turning the company around, and has subsequently sunk to around $2.

A lot of the value of Six Flags is based on the real estate holdings. They could shut the parks and sell the land for more than the value of the stock. Real estate has sunk, and the stock with it. But you've got to wonder where Vinnie and Swanson came up with money to buy into Six Flags in a big way -- they probably have some loans out.

Very ugly.

What are the chances Chris Samuels and Clinton Portis make the HOF?

If Portis ave 1200 yds a year for 4 more years he'll be in the top 10 all time!

It is a masterful theory on why Cartio has a job. Very good research there. I got to wonder if there isn't a grain of truth in it. Snyder is hesitant to fire someone who he is co-owners with in his Six Flags venture, totally logical.

I think if CP gets over 15,000 all purpose he is in.

It is a masterful theory on why Cartio has a job.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 3, 2008 05:11 PM

I think it could explain why he has a job, but not why he has the important job that he's got. Dan could put him on the payroll as a driver for $1 million a year, and I'm sure he would if he didn't trust Vinny and think he's the best at what he does.

Vinny did a hell of a job with the 49ers. If the skins hire Mooch or Fassel and go 10-6 and make the playoffs. nobody has anything to critize about.

I just hope the skins don't trade for Chad Johnson

Hopefully Jason Campbell is our franshise QB and the organization will be on a winning roll.

See but I think there may be something illegal doing that. Its less conspicuous if he has a Suit Exec job.

The bet here is that Darrell Green and Art Monk will go into the Hall together. If that happens, I wouldn't miss going to Canton for the induction ceremony for the world.

Posted by: barno | February 2, 2008 03:16 PM

Booyah!

Here's another Barno prediction for ya...

Giants will beat today's 12 point spread.

Congratulations Art and Darrell!!!

Today is the first time in the last 10 years that I've gone to work instead of staying home to watch the Superbowl. No interest at all, and all this talk about Spygate II is making it even worse.

Come to think of this someone should report this whole thing to the NFL's ethics committee if there is such a thing.

What are the chances Chris Samuels and Clinton Portis make the HOF?

Posted by: jhess18 | February 3, 2008 05:10 PM

Zero.

Oh, Kost, if you're at work during the Super Bowl it's because you're interested in the new Sheila in the marketing department who just started work last Thursday.

Interesting thoughts on the Snyder/Ceratto/Swanson connection:

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/display.php?id=34513

Posted by: JustMe | February 3, 2008 04:41 PM

Most interesting.

TE - Haha I wish! Nothing but barrel-chested blokes where I am!!

I don't like the Pats, and hope they don't go unbeaten, but who are they playing? I reckon that at the end of the regular season, if we had've ranked the playoff teams, the Giants would've been one of the worst teams through.

I know that there are a lot of people picking the Giants, but I don't see it, I think this game is going to be an absolute whitewash.

And with the Spygate II stuff going on, it's just disheartening to know the integrity of a game you love so much, could potentially be so flawed.

kost,

You don't want to watch the first half just to see if we can get another Super Bowl III with Eli as Joe Willy Namath? You'd rather hang out with a bunch of barrell chested blokes? Probably better than barrell assed Sheilas.

Spygate II, if there turns out to be anything at all there, is about the integrity of Belichick's organization, not the game.

The NFL really does know how to put on a show. God, I love Super Bowl Sunday.

At home with the new puppy, got pizza on the way, trying to overcome this hangover, and ready to watch the mind-numbing boredom that is the Giants getting squished by the Patriots.

Patriots 31, Giants 10.

Have fun peeps!

I suppose I'll follow it a little on the net, and if it seems close in the first half, I'll watch the replay. How long until kick-off?

If it's true, and they did cheat in the Rams Superbowl victory, how do you know they didn't in the others? All of them were close games. If they did, can you see how much they've changed things, McNabb might not be so frowned upon in Philly, TO might still be in Philly, and happy! Mike Martz might still be the Rams Head Coach, Bulger may not have ever replace Warner. I know the what if game is a silly game to play, but how do you trust that the game you're watching today, is a true match up between the two teams?

Wow, I really am in a bit of a downer mood! What's going on!

Kickoff is in approximately 11 hours. Fox has 5 other American Idol winners to trot out, along with Homer Simpson and the Prison Break guy. The Prison Break guy will be appearing alongside Kiefer Sutherland.

What do you guys think of having Tom Petty? I'm not sure, I'm sure he's bigger over there than he is here, so it probably makes more sense to you guys. I really liked Prince, I thought his show was awesome!

kost,

You're talking about Philly? They booed Santa Claus. If Philly won 32-10, they'd still hate McNabb. And TO? That's his problem? The Patriots taped him?

And you don't know if it's a true match-up. It's like that old question "What if the universe were only created 15 minutes ago and everything is just memories?" So what? It's the only game -- or universe -- we got.

You've been living upside down too long.

kost--

Tom Petty? I had to try to explain to my teenage kids who he was. And I couldn't because I don't even know who he was.

It gives you an idea of the demographic they're aiming the half-time show at.

LOL I can't say I'm a big Tom Petty fan. The only song of his I can think of off the top of my head is "Free Fallin'." Is that the one with the Alice in Wonderland type video?

TE - Haha, reckon the blood's rushing to my head? Might be right!

Isn't Tom Petty the racecar guy?

I think I must own an Audi R8. Like right now.

Haha I know Tom Petty best as 'the artist Red Hot Chili Peppers stole Dani California from'

....oh and he was in the Simpsons "Rock Camp' episode.

Impressive little drive here. Chris Snee is blocking his guts out.

Now, the Chili Peppers, I *do* like. They would be a great half time show.

Wow, Eli and Peyton must have changed bodies. Great play.

The Giants are looking good so far.

Even my kids would watch the Chili Peppers.

Agree wholeheartedly. The Chili Peppers would be awesome.

Just looking up some stats, the biggest margin is 45 points, achieved twice. I'm not sure it'll get that high. I'm going with 52-10 Pats.

Bud Light's got the early lead in commercials. Next time I want some sparkling water, I'm buying a case.

Cindy, are you on duty tonight? When the cat's away...

Best commercials so far: Audi R8, Pepsi Max (bobblehead), Bud Light (cheese run)...

Worst commercial so far: salesgenie.com

The Peppers would be great, but only if they rocked out with their socks out.

Full Fox synergy going on...American Idol National Anthem, a very special episode of House brought to you by NFL assistant coaches, and MySpace replays all the ads later.

I think Cindy has her hands full with Tony.

That's different than "her hands full of Tony"...

Diddy,

For what they're paying the NFL, they've got to milk it. Is Tom Petty a Fox property? Probably they'll have Paula Abdul on stage with him.

Good flag or bad flag?

Great call. Obvious call. Pierce tackled Watson while the ball was in the air.

Good to hear. Was hoping we wouldn't be having a Seahawks/Steelers repeat.

You know, I could watch Angelina Jolie in a movie about cleaning toilets.

Now, the Chili Peppers, I *do* like. They would be a great half time show.

Posted by: JustMe | February 3, 2008 06:41 PM

Dude I heard they broke up. They are on their final tour still I think but thats the end of that.

How do you do that in a climate controlled Dome??

I watched the TBS(?) Lara Croft marathon yesterday... marveling at the feats of engineering that kept looking at me.

I'm sure there was a story involved.

You know, I could watch Angelina Jolie in a movie about cleaning toilets.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 3, 2008 07:04 PM

Oh, so that was the plot.

....and so the Eli Manning show begins.

no great commercials today as of yet but better than last year and the year before.

So the commercials here are better than last year.

LOL There's nothing I like more than seeing Tom Terrific on his ass. *giggle*

sorry for the double post blog broke for me... or so i thought

Randy Moss really has disappeared in the playoffs hasn't he!!

Good quick first half. I like that, I want Tom Petty.

Wow, I take back all that I said earlier on. It looks like a good close game, maybe I'll switch off now, and watch the rest tonight.

Methinks "Mr." Snyder will be quite enamored with Spags after this game. If he ends up getting the coaching gig, the D-line is gonna be beefed up big time in the off-season.

I agree, does not matter if the Giants lose or not. Hitting the Pat's in the mouth like this, Spag's stock is rising.

Are you crying about that? I want to talk to this guy after this game...

JustMe, it'll be interesting, IF he is hired, he obviously places a high level of importance on the D-Line, while our new DC says his philosophy all starts with the corners.

LOL Not crying at all. If anything, salivating at the thought of having an actual pass rush.

Spags, or any good, youngish, up and coming coach, is exactly what I wanted to see if Manboobs didn't get the job.

Half time show sucks!!!!!

I know, kost. Resolving that difference in philosophy would be quite interesting.

No offense to Tom Petty, but couldn't they have picked someone, you know, younger? This is a carefully calculated selection to offend the least number of demographics possible.

I haven't read all the posts so this may have been handled, but VinnyDAN lied in that "interview" saying that people on the superbowl teams were on his original list and he could not possibly deviate from the list.

B*&&sh#t.

I don't buy it. McDaniels maybe, but Spags? And wouldn't BB tell the newest BoyWonder what a bad idea it is to go to a team and have NO power, much less the kind of power BB is used to having?

As Lincoln said at Super Bowl I, "The world will little note, nor long remember who we saw here..."

Tom Petty is going younger. Before this it was The Stones and McCartney. Prince is about Pettys age, Petty just has the old hippy look is all where as prince has the old transsexual pimp look.

See they tried going too young and we got Brittny Spears, Boy Bands, and boobs with pasties on them. Oh and most of that music sucked balls.

Petty is a proven talent, he learned rock from the best in the business, Bob Dylan, George Harrison and Roy Orbison.

Bah a Gettysburg joke. Too Soon!

Mike Carey calling a great game, as usual. I'm happy to see the first African American referee in the Super Bowl, and I'm happy that it's one of the League's great refs. But couldn't they give us one call by Ed Hochuli, just for fun?

Tom Terrific is eating a lot of dirt today. *giggle*

This may actually turn out to be a good game after all. Spags is going to look great in burgundy and gold...

Man which coordinator would you rather have from that match? Every time we see the pats on the field I am thinking their OC and the Nat's DC are playing for a possible HC job.

Eh, I'm not convinced he's HC material, but he's using an effective defense effectively.
But I sure do want to have a 10-hour conversation with him on defensive philosophy.

There is a great little spot in Potomac to do interviews I hear. Its in a van down by the river.

Why did New England go for it on fourth and 13 instead of kicking a field goal?

Why did New England go for it on fourth and 13 instead of kicking a field goal?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 3, 2008 08:56 PM

Maybe they just wanted to keep it interesting.. If they win 7-3 now that would be wild stuff.

A slight white dude was shown limping on the sideline. Maybe their kicker is hurt?

The sideline reporter said the kicker isn't injured.

I tell you what, with a close game like this, I bet you Belicheat is wishing he had Vinatieri back there right now

Wow. This is going to be a fun finish.

Now that 4th down attempt looks real bad

I think the Giants are going to win this game....

Sad to say, Snyder will not be hiring Spags....it's gonna be Fassel. Or some offensive minded coach. Blache will be heading up our D and most of the D coaches are still here....but the offense needs help. I'm pretty darn sure it's going to be Fassel :(

Huge, huge, huge, huge tackle there by Harrison. This is a great game.

The fans stopped the hiring of Fassel the first time. Maybe we should start the call for Spagnuolo.

And to think Lisa, during the pre-season you said you called the Giants!

Snyder simply put the hiring of Fassel "on hold" but I truly believe if Rex Ryan has been open to coming here (or able to) Fassel would have been hired 2 weeks ago...fan outrage or not.

Who is the MVP of this game so far?

That's right Kost....:)

Lisa -- I think you're right. Offense is the weak link, and we have enough players to be competitive. I'd be thinking of an offensive coach first.

PDiddy, was just thinking the same thing, looking at the stats, no one really stands out. Maybe Tuck - 2 Sacks, 1 FF. Welker has 10 catches almost 100 yards. Depends on who wins too.

My vote is for Welcker at this point...

Great F-ing game.

KEEP THEM OUT!

NOOOOO!!!!!!!

The Sports gods have simply been smiling on Boston....first the Red Sox win the World Series ...looks like the Patriots may probably win the Super Bowl...and I'm predicting the Celtics to win the NBA Championship.

I dunno about the Celtics Thinking that if we can beat em like we did then they may get KOed in the playoffs.

And, to think I wasn't going to watch this game.

How sweet would it be if the Giants scored on the final play!

JustMe, me too. I feel like a real a$$. Instead of being at work, I should've been at home watching this game. With Beer.

Amazing!

Steve Smith is a baller.

Wow. Wow. Wow.

I love this game.

YES!!!!!!!!

Do you believe in miracles?

Yes!

I CAN'T BELIEVE I'M MISSING THIS!!!! I'M SORRY FOOTBALL GODS! I'LL NEVER DOUBT YOUR INTEGRITY AGAIN!!!!!

Wasn't Plax's prediction 23-17? So if the Pats tied it here, then the Giants score a TD in OT, he'll be correct!

Tom Terrific in the dirt again!!!

Unbelievable!

This is it...

Don't want to jinx it...

This is good.

Wow.... Just, wow...ROFL

OH MY GOD. Greatest upset in Super Bowl history? Is Plaxico the new Joe Namath?

Belicheck doesn't want to play out the last second. Jerk.

Can you feel that Billy Boy!!!! That's your perfect season down the drain!!! Crack those bottles of wine '72 Dolphins!!!!!

The Hoodie. No class cheater.

God, remember how Randy Moss was positively skewered by the media for running off the field before the end of the game when he was in Minnesota?

The media should absolutely ROAST Belicheck for what he just did. What a classless jerk.

Congrats to the Giants. Amazing story, amazing performance. Just amazing.

F Belichick, F cheaters, F Brady, F New England in general (Skins fans notwithstanding).

I got no love for the Jints or their fans. But I am doggone happy they won this game.

I can't stop giggling. *giggle*

You gotta be happy for Coach Coughlin here. Man, oh man.

This is great.

What a great weekend. Monk and Green in the HOF, the Partiots humiliated on the biggest stage, and Bill Belichick shown as the arrogant, classless jerk that he is.

Who is MVP? Eli?????

What a sorry loser Bilcheat is! Damn stay out on the field and show some class.

Thank goodness, a good game. I was afraid of one of those done-by-halftime blowouts.

For some strange reason (having to do with 7th-grade politics, no doubt) my daughter is very unhappy right now.

Steve Smith had some really big catches. I wish they could give the Giant's D-line the MVP. They played their asses off.

You gotta be happy for Coach Coughlin here. Man, oh man.

This is great.

Posted by: PDiddy

Yes I don't like the Giants but Coughlin is da man.

My mom is like "I don't like the Patriots I don't know why" then I have her a bunch of reasons.

I think ST had to be a part of this.

9-7 in the NFC was not that bad this year.

What on Earth is Doug Williams wearing? He looks like a blueberry.

LOL Doug needs a stylist, desperately.

And just think....we assisted in this win....if not for the Giants goal line stanch in our game (when we could not score) they may have imploded at 0-3.

For some strange reason (having to do with 7th-grade politics, no doubt) my daughter is very unhappy right now.

Posted by: daggar

Your daughter had a crush on Tom on doubt. Bad taste man.

Kost, you silly old fool. Sat around with a bunch of barrel-chested blokes while the greatest Super Bowl ever blew right past you.

Spags for head coach! Start the emails flying!

The Hoodie is gonna get skewered for going for it on 4th & 13. LOL

Maybe, but I was kidding her about it and it didn't get the kind of rise out of her that it normally would.
But I'm sure it's a Boy thing in some way.

TE - Don't rub it in! I'm in tears!!! I wanted to see the Pats lose, I just didn't believe it was possible that they would!

Congrads to the Giants, rude and obnoxious as their fans may be sometimes--I was a Gints fan today :-)

They took down the top seeds in both conferences, the Gurlz (thanks!) and the Pats (thanks!).

I'd rather put up with Gints fans this offseason than Gurlz fans or Pats adulation!

Maybe the Gints will make themselves my SECOND favorite team by hiring Fassel before Snyder hires him!

Spags for head coach! Start the emails flying!

Posted by: PDiddy

See my post in the morning. Dan likes shinny objects so yes Spags will get to tell dan to go to hill like all the others and Fassel will be our next coach. But Fassel did coach the Giants soo.

Spags sh