This is awesome... keep 'em coming, EG-R! Thanks, dude!

No thanks on R. Moss.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 21, 2008 04:53 PM

Wasn't saying I wanted Moss. Just interested in what happens to him.

Drayton Florence, hmmmm ... sounds like David Macklin part deux (though maybe not quite Kenny Wright part ... ways).

Before you say it, I thought of you when I saw this bigmurf: http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/206337/

Hackett makes good sense. They still can get a WR in the 3rd round. Florence played well as a nickle CB last year. That's a decent move. Briggs - NO WAY!!.

I like the idea of Hackett. Young receiver with an upside, knows Zorn and the WCO, and probably won't be demanding a massive payday. Issue is his health though, think he only played 4 games last season.

I forget...who is EG-R again?

Wow so many posts when we havent had anything all week

Candy Bar Week says Payday is close to inking a deal as Official Candy Bar of the Washington Redskins.

...

I got nothin'.

Emilio Garcia-Ruiz

Jon Jansen Restructures

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Looks like he's agreed to the vet min

Seriously though, according to this he's restructured his 2008 salary down from around $5 million to $730,000

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 21, 2008 05:03 PM

Keeping These Players, Restructuring 2008 Base Salary, Prorating over Remaining life of Contract:
Randy Thomas - $3.7 million saved - EXECUTED
Clinton Portis - $3.2 million saved
Jon Jansen - $3.2 million saved - EXECUTED
Chris Samuels - $2.8 million saved
Cornelius Griffin - $2.6 million saved
Santana Moss - $1.9 million saved
Casey Rabach - $1.4 million saved
Total Salary Restructure Savings: $18.8 million

Keeping These Players, Restructuring 2008 Roster Bonuses, Prorating over Remaining life of Contract:
Ladell Betts - $1.7 million saved
Clinton Portis - $0.4 million saved
Chris Cooley - $9.2 million saved - EXECUTED
Andre Carter - $1.9 million saved - EXECUTED
Antwaan Randle-El - $1.2 million saved - EXECUTED
Total Bonus Restructure Savings: $14.4 million

AFTER EXECUTED TRANSACTIONS: $0.8 MILLION OVE

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 21, 2008 05:06 PM

I never heard of "D-Flo" before today, but the intergooglewebtubes suggest that, with Asomugha and Trufant tagged, and Asante Samuel as overrated as he is, Drayton Florence supposedly moves to the top of the UFA pool ... and that San Diego would retain him but for the fact that Cromartie and Eric Weddle make for too much of an investment in the secondary to meet Florence's contract needs and value.

feast or famine, SAK. let's eat!

sween, you must be absolutely devastated that ShaNaNa Mushmouth won't be coming east to wear the crimson and saffron.

Now this is what I'm talking about!!!!

Thanks for the update!

SHABINGUS NO LONGER!!!!!

wow, scamp, we used to just cut guys, but now we are allowed to summarily execute them?

Seems a bit harsh, but whatever it takes to get under the cap.

I never heard of "D-Flo" before today, but the intergooglewebtubes suggest that, with Asomugha and Trufant tagged, and Asante Samuel as overrated as he is, Drayton Florence supposedly moves to the top of the UFA pool ... and that San Diego would retain him but for the fact that Cromartie and Eric Weddle make for too much of an investment in the secondary to meet Florence's contract needs and value.

Posted by: dcsween | February 21, 2008 05:13 PM

http://www.chargers.com/team/roster/drayton-florence.htm

Nate, truer words were never mumbled.

In other bits around the (football) world (as if there is any other), apparently Randy Moss was not tagged by 4pm and the Panthers cut DeShaun Foster.

I wonder if the "New Black" that absorbs 99.995% of all light will be used in the Redskins new uniforms. Could you imagine the darkest black crushing the spirits of our foes. Black is one of our team colors right?

Nate, a fate worse than execution awaits Rabach ... Zorn doesn't want Jason Campbell to have to squat so low ... and Rabach has that, um, low hanging fruit ...

Diddy, EG-R is the big kahuna of WashPo sports. I think he's Cindy's boss and the beat reporters' boss. And the boss of all the rest of them.

But not the boss of me. Just a substitute supplier of hamster coke.

kerzon, thanks for the link. I have a question about this:

"Drayton is one of the team's biggest supporters of the military. His dad, Drayton, Sr., spent 20 years in the Army and retired with a rank of E7. Drayton's sister Lakisha is currently serving in the Army and is stationed in San Antonio, Texas. She carries the rank of E4."

Can someone explain the letters and numbers? My first read suggested that someone sank someone else's battleship.

(Cue a banana 'call-back' joke from SMACK...)

sween, when she achieved that rank, the extended family got BINGO. true story.

My friend is the drummer for "The New Black"

E stands for enlisted (vs officer)
E-7 is Sergeant First Class
E-4 is Corporal

Enlisted personnel top out at E-9.

Okay, I'll shut up now.

Thank god this thing is working again! The blog is dead! Long live the blog!

Speaking of work... ahem...

You look at the New Black and wonder "How much more black could it be?"

"None more black."

fun time killer flash game:

http://www.gskinner.com/games/puki/

Is "white" the "new black"?

Not sure about Drayton.

Ryan (San Diego): How much do you think it would cost to get Randall Gay? I think he would be a perfect fit as the Chargers 3rd db to replace the horrid Florence.

KC Joyner: I don't mean to be coy about this, but it all comes down to the top free agent CBs. If Asomugha, Trufant and Samuel all hit the market, Gay's price goes down. If all three don't hit the market, Gay's price goes up big time.

Rob (DC): Hey KC, back as always. Wanted to get your take... Does it make sense for the Chargers to run virtually an exclusive 3-3-5 and play Weddle as the nickle on Welker? I know he's not stellar in coverage but he's more likely to make a big play too... I do not want McCree or Hart matched up on Welker at all and Florence is terrible.

KC Joyner: Rob, from what I've seen this year, Weddle is actually pretty solid in coverage. I'm not sure he can hold up to covering Welker but Weddle is a very good #4 coverage option.

Sounds like Chargers fans don't look upon him too favourably!

Wasn't "Jason La Canfora checks in" a truly terrible movie with an orangutan as the 'star' and John Cheese acting badly as an awful hotel manager?

On behalf of all fans of the maroon and black, I bid EG-R a hearty welcome.

Can you all feel the excitement? In a few days, it's Super Bowl time for our beloved maroon and black (and yellow). With the Dynamic Duo out and about, we can't possibly go wrong.

I was thinking the Official Candy Bar of the Maroon and Black should be the Watchamacallit.

Is there a Rooney Rule requirement that every uniform has to include some black in it?

I forget...who is EG-R again?

Posted by: PDiddy | February 21, 2008 05:05 PM

That's R2-D2's troubled cousin. Ended up projecting Twi'lek porn holograms on Tatooine.

Hmmm...Payday has already changed their colors to maroon and black (and yellow):

http://www.hersheys.com/payday/home.asp

The plot thickens...

wow, scamp, we used to just cut guys, but now we are allowed to summarily execute them?

Seems a bit harsh, but whatever it takes to get under the cap.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 21, 2008 05:17 PM

that's funny sh!t. i didn't even think about that when I initially saw that. Guess the snow is affecting my brain.

Army Rank Guide

E7 -- Sergeant First Class, pretty good if you didn't want to be an officer.
E4 -- she's making $20,000/yr. Hope her brother's nice to her. Maybe slip over a training camp game check and double her salary.

I thought Twiki was R2-D2's troubled cousin. EG-R was the one they sent into the (Maroon and) Black Hole.

Drayton Florence stats

Year Team Int Yds Avg. TD
2003 SAN DIEGO 0 0 0 0
2004 SAN DIEGO 4 54 13.5 0
2005 SAN DIEGO 1 9 9.0 0
2006 SAN DIEGO 3 24 8.0 0
2007 SAN DIEGO 2 4 2.0 0
2008 SAN DIEGO 2 17 8.5 0
Totals -- 12 108 9.0 0
KICKOFF STATS
Year Team No Yds Avg. TD
2003 SAN DIEGO 4 47 11.8 0
Totals -- 4 47 11.8 0
TACKLE STATS (NOT OFFICIAL)
Year Team Total Solo Ast Sack fum rec safety
2003 SAN DIEGO 16 16 0 0 0 0
2004 SAN DIEGO 36 32 4 0 0 0
2005 SAN DIEGO 61 54 7 0 0 0
2006 SAN DIEGO 76 64 12 0 0 0
2007 SAN DIEGO 67 61 6 0 1 0
2008 SAN DIEGO 14 12 2 0 0 0
Totals -- 270 239 31 0.0 1 0

You're thinking of Maximillian Diddy. It merged with Dr Reinhardt when VINCENT pushed them through The Black Hole to become some sort of supervillainrobotscientist such as. With beer.

scamp, on your 5:12 post, you list Portis twice, with different cap savings. What's that mean?

One is restructuring base salary, one is bonus (besides, I just cut and pasted this from somewhere else, took me a minute to figure it out too)

The bit above about Fabini is interesting.

Fabini -- 11 seasons
Kendall -- 12 seasons
Thomas -- 8 seasons
Rabach -- 7 seasons

[Pucillo ... UFA with bad back]

So Vinny says we need an interior lineman this off-season ... ya think?!?!

Something to read:

http://www.kffl.com/article.php/85787/512

Rabach has that, um, low hanging fruit ...

Posted by: dcsween | February 21, 2008 05:22 PM

Zorn doesn't want any aslo-rans on his team.

I know I'm taking this too seriously, but Rabach has to keep his head up so he can see the defense, right? So how's he suppose to raise his backside too?

"I know I'm taking this too seriously, but Rabach has to keep his head up so he can see the defense, right? So how's he suppose to raise his backside too?"

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 21, 2008 05:58 PM

Its just the way it is ... needs to stay tall in front, tall in back, and tall in the "middle" ...

http://misterirrelevant.com/index.php/2007/08/04/rabach-has-big-balls-just-ask-jansen/

Wow, just wow.

Too much information.

So, how's the weather back east?

Scamp,

What are the numbers on Lloyd it is going to be to costly to cut him so maybe they will give him a chance to play, or try to restructure his contract.

Hazardous Blloydiation.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/10451-NFL-Washington_Redskins-Brandon_Lloyd_Redskins_Problematic_Expense-210208

Pay or play?
(What haven't we covered on this thread?)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 21, 2008 01:23 PM

Actually, each Service has one NCO at the grade of E-10:
Army - Sgr Major of the Army
Navy - Master CPO of the Navy
AF - Chief Master Sgt of the Air Force
MC - Sgt Major of the MC

Player Details 2008 2008 2008 2008 2008 2009 2009 2009
Total Dead Cap Savings Dead Cap Savings Dead Cap Total Savings
No. Name Pos Cap Hit if cut

85 Brandon Lloyd WR 4.238 7.167 -2.929 1.833 2.405

Cut him now--Lloyd is scheduled to count $4.2 million against the cap in 2008. If the Redskins were to do a straight cut right now there would be an acceleration of $7.1 million in signing and option bonuses already paid. That nets out to a net charge of $2.9 million against the cap (negative savings, if you will). This would be a way to start clean under the new coaching staff, get him off the books, and not leave a lingering cap hit.
Cut him now designated as a June 1 waiver--This is something that's around now for the second year. A team can cut a player at the start of free agency but have the cap hit come as though the move took place after June 1. This would push most of Lloyd's dead cap into 2009. The Redskins would save $2.4 million of cap money this year (although it will stay on the books until 6/1) and they would have a dead cap charge of $5.3 million in 2009.
Cut him after June 1--The early June 1 cut is advantageous primarily to the player as it gives him a chance to find a job when the market is still lively. While it's highly unlikely that a team would give up a player or a pick for Lloyd, it might be worth keeping him around on the slim chance that someone might do it.
Give him a shot at earning a roster spot--If the Redskins go with options 2 or 3, they still will be hamstrung in free agency as that $2.4 million in savings won't be available to them until after June 1. As long as that's the case, why not see if he can be productive with a fresh start, a new offense under a new coaching staff? In the event he makes it, it's a plus for Zorn and the team gets some return on its investment of cash and picks. If he doesn't (the more likely outcome), they can cut him in camp and put the $2.4 million in savings towards extending Jason Campbell or filling a need arising due to injury

AKA Stumped's previous post.

Stumped -

I'm with option 1. I'd rather have the cap cost, and room for say Mike Espy on the roster, than not incur the cost and have him on the roster.

Stumped- They're calling for snow, sleet, freezing rain, cats and dogs, etc. etc.
My money's on sunny and 55.

But with people still abandoning their cars on the Beltway.

kost,
As long as it's Danny's money...kost.

But there's nothing wrong with having Espy, Mix, Lloyd (and anyone else for that matter) compete for the roster spot.

It's really boils down to either cut him now or cut him later.

Talk about irony.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23256928-661,00.html

Where do you find these things? I like comment number two the best (argh)!

Stumped, you're right, I just don't know if he even desrves another chance to let us down. I would rather see them put more time into an unknown, than waste time on a known.

Although it might be fun to see how he copes with The Great Zorn's training camp!

So, I wonder what Zorn's camp will be like.

If he's such a nice guy, I don't imagine he'll make it too punishing.

TDawg :

"Before you say it, I thought of you when I saw this bigmurf: http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/206337/"

Appreciate the good looks man.

BONG!

TDawg :

"Before you say it, I thought of you when I saw this bigmurf: http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/206337/"

Appreciate the good looks man.

BONG!

Posted by: bigmurf08 | February 21, 2008 07:42 PM
------------------------------------------

HIT!

Re: Lloyd...
Option 4 is the only way to go. You have to spread the cap hit whenever you can, so option 1 (the sentimental favorite, with a kick to the nuts for good measure) is out.

Option 5 is to dangle the false hope of redemption in front of him; have Zorn cast a a little spell, and have Brandon redo his contract for ten years, no bonus, at veteran minimum in exchange for "a chance to compete".

Then kick him in the nuts and cut his a$$.

The kick to the nuts is non-negotiable.

"Grant, a 192cm forward, was named as an emergency for tonight's NAB Cup game against Essendon at Telstra Dome but will not now play an part."

AN part...? Is that some obscure colloquialism of which I'm not aware?

Or just Australingus?

cload wins the blloyd essay contest!

Cload, haha nice pick up!

Interesting - "The NFL is considering changing the postseason so seeding would be based on records rather than division titles."

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7821612/NFL-committee-considers-changing-playoff-seeding-rules

speakin' of DJ "Dino" Hackett, which somebody was earlier, has this been posted?

he mighta only played in 4 regular season games but he pretty much had his way with the maroon and black secondary in the playoffs...

http://www.nfl.com/players/d.j.hackett/profile?id=HAC504279

DJ Hackett went to the same High School as Bill And Ted!!! San Dimas High!!

Yes, i love drayton florence and how about javon walker he would be so good and if we got calais campbell , ok , Brandon hubacher, thinks we should get javon walker.

And we all know how Bill and Ted felt about Napoleon!

Stimpy, you eeeeediot!

you know what's cool? that riggo is probly 10 years older than emmit and he looks like he could just drop kick emmit all the way to that satelite in (not) orbit...

****************LOST************
HELP!!!!!!!!!
okay what is the significance of Erick?

******************lost spoiler dont read if havent watched:

dealer...she said "aaron"......as in son of claire

************LOST spoiler alert*******

thanks cL!!! but wtf!!! that was so lame! lamest episode in a while. next week's episode seems promising. and i hate the fact that jack ends up getting her. at least that's the way the show is leaning now. kate needs whitening strips

dealer, we'll see.....some promising stuff...can't be steller every week...

locke has gotten way lame...

yep...locke's character was good but seems like they're trying to make him look very weak. at the end it'll probly be ben vs. jack.

Can't be Locke, because Hobbes totally schooled him on the whole "State of Nature" thing.

And all Locke could do was come up with a Second Treatise on Government, as
the first one was entirely forgettable.

So, I wonder what Zorn's camp will be like.

If he's such a nice guy, I don't imagine he'll make it too punishing.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 21, 2008 07:21 PM

Wasn't it Springs who stated after the hire that "the offense was going to be in for some hard work"...?

Springs not afraid of Zornification

Springs was enthusiastic about the possibilities but expects significant change in the offense.

"The offensive guys better be ready, I'm telling you it's going to be different from what they're used to. The way they ran practice and the whole philosophy of thinking is entirely differently. This system is all about speed, the quickness, the timing getting in and out of practice, from what I remember."

OK many have been trying to decide what the Skins should do.

Now lets think what VinnyDan will do.

The coaching change even got me. But we did predict the Friday after 5 presser (it was Saturday).

I will say Two high priced FA. After Vinny fails to land a backup QB Zorn takes over that duty and leads us to the playoffs in dramatic fashion.

Boy, that's some snowstorm.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/mmedia/webcams/snowcam.htm

Be safe out there, people.

This guy Drayton from San Diego is a known womanizer, a fixture of the strip club scene. He's more worried about the vajayjay than he is about the pigskin.

No, thanks!

I can't find anything on the proclivity for naughty behavior which podspeak alleges, but here is a nasty, nasty hit by Drayton Florence on Kevin Jones...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=LWyYtinSsl8

Very, very subtle misspelling in the thread title, by the way... EG-R omitted the space between La and Canfora.

I'm just sayin'...

"oh this is tedious.....as you all know by now I am all about the stability thing (QB and coach) for those scoring at home.....QB first, stabilty builds from there, rehashed a million times... but here is the thing if you assume campbell is the guy the other big link in the chain is the talent evaluation situation..... here a list of our immediate future, guys who are young and on our roster, this is the list we desparetly need 1. for many of these guys to further develope and become solid starers, contributors, dare say some make a probowl or to and 2.we really need to add to this list in big way..... the list is thin to begin with and the more names that don't pan out could really put us behind if we don't become better judges of talent....

1 Campbell
2.Mix
3.nemo
4. Doughty
5.Landry
6.Golsten
7.Monty
8.wilson
9 alexander
10.Mason
11 rocky mac
12. blades
13 heyer
14 swissham

feel free to discuss and slice and dice.....one man's opinion....

Posted by: Oldschool | February 21, 2008 02:53 PM"

I spotted this at the end of a previous thread... (below the beep beep cutoff)... and as an Old School fan thought it merited re-posting up here...

15. Leigh Torrence
16. Alex Busbee
17. Tyler Ecker
18. Mike Espy

Of this list five are starters - two coming of major injuries - and one specialist. 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 T, 1 G (Alexander), 2 DE, 2 DT, 2 LB, 2 S and 1 CB

Aye, bangkokben. Also:

19. Carlos Rogers

Another guy coming off a major injury at a critical position.

Sorry, I missed that one. That makes two corners.

Sorry about the snow folks. Got some folks here from the upper p of Michigan and Wisconsin complaining how cold it is here as we've had lows in the 70s this week. If only they knew dcsween. Gotta enjoy this weather until its gone.

Nate,

Nice clip of Drayton. That's a mean hit.

Anyone know what Jason Campbell is up to these days? Well, he should be in Arizona sweating his butt off with Donovan McNabb!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0qy_K1HBqb0&feature=user

Oh, I forgot! Jason Campbell hurt his kneecap, which really sent the Redskins into a funk at the end of the season.

Maybe Jason Campbell is practicing his maths?

Hey Podspeak,

Do you have anything to back up your claim on Drayton.

Just here say, nothing I can back up with any verifiable: I lived in San Diego for a few months. My buddy Dave is a bartender at one of the titty bars downtown. Drayton and a bunch of Chargers were regulars. Apparently dingus Drayton doesn't tip real well, either.

Not big surprise, these are NFL players we're talking about, after all.

I apparently don't care if a politician can't keep his pants on at the office, and now I gotta worry if some twentysomething from the 'hood likes to watch a different kind of elite physical talent?

No, the problem with FA cornerback is that you have to pay full price. Or, as the best ones get tagged, full price plus.

And don't forget, anything you take away from San Diego just makes that marble-mouthed mumbler's job that much harder.

The Germans discovered it in 1904, and they called it "San Diego", which in German means "whale's vagina".

I lived in San Diego for a few months. My buddy Dave is a bartender at one of the titty bars downtown. Drayton and a bunch of Chargers were regulars. Apparently dingus Drayton doesn't tip real well, either.

Posted by: podspeak | February 22, 2008 07:45 AM

Well, when I lived in San Diego, I was good friends with the pastor at Drayton's church. He tells me that Drayton didn't have time to hang out with your mixed-up bartender friend, because he was engaged in missionary work most nights. He didn't have money for tips because most of his income went to help the poor.

Drayton and the pastor worked as a team to redeem lost souls. Unfortunately, they didn't have any success with either you or your bartender friend, who was known to be a liar. In fact, he lied to you about being a bartender. The guy never poured a drink in his life; he was a delivery boy for Dominos.

DJ Hackett went to the same High School as Bill And Ted!!! San Dimas High!!
Posted by: kost52 | February 21, 2008 09:44 PM

Computers...........SANDIMASFOOTBALLRULES!!!!!!

Is there a Rooney Rule requirement that every uniform has to include some black in it?
Posted by: PDiddy | February 21, 2008 05:34 PM

LMGO!!!

I think that the uniforms only have to consider the possibility of putting some black in it. And maybe buy it a steak dinner. Thinking about adding purple would also satisfy the rule. Or magenta.

Yesterday and today are just weight/measurement day's at the combine correct? Or do players start running today?

Greg,

That is correct players will start running Saturday.

Thanks, km..

Anyone know what Jordy Nelson's height/weight was? I'm really starting to think he might be available in round 3.

Greg,

This is from the combine page.

Height:6'3"
Weight:215

Greg check out this video this is Nelson burning Aqib Talib who is supposed to be one of the best CB in the draft.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek0ANQ8bRfo

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/columns/story?columnist=yasinskas_pat&id=3257497&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab3pos2

Has anyone taken a look at Malcolm Kelly from OU? The way he catches it reminds me of Art Monk. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9W7nTi4JFQ

JM,

That is a good story I hope he at least gets a chance to show what he can do.

KM, thanks for the link, I'll check it out when I get home, fire-wall at work blocks just about everything.

I'm starting to think that the Redskins are going to have a number of options at 21, seems like this might be a fairly deep draft, especially at WR. DT, DE, heck, if Jeff Otah is still on the board at 21, I'd jump at that chance.

JM, what's Yasinskas have to say?

Greg,

I agree they will have multiple options with that pick I would like them to go defensive line but Otah is a beast that guy is huge I could see him being our LT for many years.

Greg,

Scout.com has Nelson listed as the 12th best reciever in the draft he would be a great 3rd round selection if he is still available.

If we wait until the second round to go O-line we may be able to get either Sam Baker or Anthony Collins both are around 6-6 315 they are rated 6th and 7th on scout.com for OT.

kmdp4 he runs a 4.4 so he should at least get a look.

I have no idea gregmarino88

Nate

Thanks for the re-post....I lead the league in "last" ....I have done that so many times, I feel like the opposite of the guy who always posts "first" on the new thread.....

Moreso than OT, I think that the Redskins need to look at the guard position. I think Samuel is good for 2-4 more years, and I think Heyer will be a player with a year/offseason of Buges/weightlifting under his belt. Guard is a position where we could use an immediate infusion of youth.

Watched some NFL Network this morning, and they were showing the teams who had tons of cap space, but my question is it seems like all the top end players, Haynesworth, CB from the Raiders, got the franchise designation? I think some team is going to VASTLY over pay for Assante Samuel, and regret it in their first game, but who else is out there thats going to be worth it?

I lead the league in "last" ....

Posted by: Oldschool | February 22, 2008 09:55 AM

I've always taken "beep beep" as the signal that there's a new post. From now on, I'll read "Oldschool" as "beep beep"

greg(beans), I agree ... I noticed that need based on a thought about Fabini and posted something about this problem above ...

Fabini -- 11 seasons
Kendall -- 12 seasons
Thomas -- 8 seasons
Rabach -- 7 seasons
[Pucillo ... UFA with bad back]

Dear Mr. Evaluator,

The account about my buddy Dave, Drayton and the titty bar is not made up.

Does this really fall that far out of the realm of plausibility? Just curious, but what did I ever do to you to call me a liar? That's simply disrespectful.

If I'm not welcome on your blog, let me know, and I'll be sure to disregard that.

yeah, dc, no doubt the ol could use an infusion of youth...if the Redskins draft a guard early, they could spell Kendall during games, and get the kid some pt. I'm all about having an OL that can physically DOMINATE an opponent.

Scout.com has Nelson listed as the 12th best reciever in the draft he would be a great 3rd round selection if he is still available.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 22, 2008 09:40 AM

I have an idea Nelson's stock will rise with the combine and pro days and such. He could end up being a late 1st, low 2nd round pick.

These are some of the players we could get at OG.

OG 1 Oniel Cousins SR 6-4/302/5.04 UTEP Fullerton, CA
OG 2 John Greco SR 6-5/326/5.26 Toledo Youngstown, OH
OG 3 Branden Albert JR 6-6.5/320/- Virginia Glen Burnie, MD
OG 4 Robert Felton SR 6-3/325/5.35 Arkansas Houston, TX
OG 5 Eric Young SR 6-3/310/5.25 Tennessee Union, SC
OG 6 Drew Radovich SR 6-5/304/5.20 USC Mission Viejo, CA
OG 7 Roy Schuening SR 6-3.5/318/5.25 Oregon State Pendleton, OR
OG 8 Heath Benedict SR 6-5.5/334/4.99 Newberry Hightstown, NJ
OG 9 Chilo Rachal JR 6-4.5/315/5.25 USC Compton, CA

This piece reads like it's about the Fins but it's actually about the o-line prospects in this year's draft.

http://www.miamiherald.com/616/story/428289.html

I'd be interested to hear Joe Bugel's thoughts on this year's draft class. Houck is a very good o-line coach, I was surprised and saddened that we let him go.

There's also an interesting rumour in there about the Fins looking at Alan Faneca!

Skinfanman,

I think you are correct with were Nelson will go and I do not think we should use our 1st round pick on a WR. Hopefully he will get passed over and we can get him in the second or third. Anyone no his 40 time because this will tell you if he is going in the 1st, 2nd or 3rd rounds.

Name: Jordy Nelson College: Kansas State Number: 27 Height: 6-3 Weight: 215 Position: WR Pos2: Class/Draft Year: rSr/2008 40 Time: 4.57 40 Low: 4.52

Because we need a player at virtually every position save RB, we should just take the best prospect left in the 1st round.

Second, third, fourth should be OL/DL/CB/WR. Whichever of the three we didn't get in the first round.

O-line, i agree should be guard or center before tackle.

***Non football****

RC, how do you think your boys looked against Lyon. I think they played ok and should be fine for the home leg at OT with the away goal in hand.

Loved my Roma sides showing against Madrid. They love to play free flowing but learned against ManU. they aren't good enough to play that way against the big boys.

Milan did what they had to.

Inter got spanked by the Reds.

podspeak--

No where have I ever called you a liar. My friend, the pastor, called your friend, the bartender a liar.

Of course you're welcome on the blog. Feel free to post without asking my permission!

This blog is informative and entertaining.

I'm not adding anything of value here. I'll bow out, exit stage left. It's clear that I don't know as much about football as you all, and that I'm not in on the club. Not a big fan of being insulted, either.

Not a problem...Peace to all you fellas, including you, Mr. Evaluator. Podspeak is spoken here no more. Feel free to cut and paste as I leave the building.

skinz, no 4th round pick this year, fyi....

ta, you sir are a blog-bully.....LOL....

Darn you and your facts greg.

podspeak I hope you come back. You just got to ignore certain people my friend.

I'm going 'commando' on facts from this point forward.

The Redskins should use their first of 3 First Round picks, on a punter, a kicker, and a long-snapper replacement for when Ethan Allen hangs it up.

I'm going 'commando' on facts from this point forward.

The Redskins should use their first of 3 First Round picks, on a punter, a kicker, and a long-snapper replacement for when Ethan Allen hangs it up.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 22, 2008 10:36 AM

I think we need a backup holder.

That's the ticket greg. Do what I do, never let facts get in the way of your opinion. Ignorance is bliss and I'm living the life...

i think we should use our first two picks to find quality backups for JC, guys who can ensure stability at the reserve qb position. the third rounder should be used on one of those guys who normally goes undrafted, but proves everybody wrong in the end and earns a starting spot. identify him early, so nobody can pick him up as a FA when the draft ends.

scamp, backup holders...thats what second round picks are for....

Skinz, this ignorance you speak of? I'm having a large slice of it, and am LOVING IT!!!

"... we should just take the best prospect left in the 1st round. ..."

Posted by: Skinz | February 22, 2008 10:23 AM

Skinz speaks truth to power (or, at least, to the blog). Amen on BPA bro!

That said, I think we need a back up center (very tall, with small nuts) who is faster enough to be a pulling guard ... actually, hold that thought ... do any of you football genii know whether a pulling guard is anywhere near as important in the West Coast style offense as it is in the "run first" offense?

Where do we draft a third string waterboy, then? Or do we pick one up in FA? Trade Portis for one and a 7th?

"... we should just take the best prospect left in the 1st round. ..."

Posted by: Skinz | February 22, 2008 10:23 AM

As much as I wish we could, I have to disagree with this statement. As skinz pointed out earlier, we have no need at RB. We also have no need at QB, at least in the early rounds.

Outside of that, we could use help at every other position, but there are definite areas that need help MUCH more than others. I would be extremely upset if we were to draft a LB, DB, or even WR with our early picks. All of those positions should be addressed in the offseason, but not in rounds 1 or 2. We need to use the 1st two rounds to find the future anchor for our offense/defense. And despite the glory gotten by those positions mentioned earlier, offenses/defenses are anchored either by the line or by the quarterback. We already have our future at the QB position, and now we need to secure the future at the lines. Any combination at o-line/d-line for the first two picks would be the smartest thing this FO could do, but we all know that they love looking at the glory positions, so we'll see how it pans out.

I think we're pretty set at TE too.

yea forgot about TE. Set there too.

Yo Sween,

Remember my quest for a Simpsons license plate a couple weeks ago? I was almost 100% set on "EMBIGNS", but at the 12th hour decided on "EL BARTO". the el barto tag was just too classic to pass up, and I think will allow a larger number of people to "get it", such as.

Thanks for the help though dude. I'm sure some Simpsons fan in the great state of VA will end up getting EMBIGNS

Oh, and ummmmm, football talk....Some dude named Tuba Rubin, a draft prospect, benched 400lbs 11 times at a recent workout. Impressive

"yea forgot about TE. Set there too."

Posted by: psps23 | February 22, 2008 11:20 AM

I'm not so sure ... this morning TE drove off podcast ... not sure if we need a younger, hungrier, and friendlier TE.

agreed DC, from what we saw out of TE today, he's definetly angry.....like an old man trying to send back soup at a deli....

PSP,

I agree on QB and RB but LB and DB? We have one solid CB and he's about to turn 33. One coming off a massive knee injury who was questionable and Smoot. At safety you have one stud but the other is a question mark. Last year all the safeties were asked to do is play 20 yards off the line and they did a good job but you can't play that way forever.

LB-We have a 34 year old MLB, a 31 year old Sam who hasn't played a full season in 3 years and a young guy on the weakside with not 1 but 2 degenerative knee conditions.

I'd love to get a DL or to a lesser extent an OL but if there is a DB or LB that is graded much higher then i say we jump on him.

-swb, good to see someone putting their money where their ... bumper is.

In other thoughts, does it seem like some big time vet talent around the league has been getting cut this season? It felt that way for a while (starting around the time of the Zach Whack in Miami), but when DeShawn Foster got cut yesterday (the day before?), it was seeming a little "what have you done for me lately?" Two years ago the Panthers put a franchise tag on the guy. Now? Walking papers. I'm not saying that Leftwich is all that, but he seemed like he SHOULD have been a keeper. Same thing with that Wahle fella and Crumpler. It was making me nervous about some of the Skins players, esp. if there are some recurring overarching economic factors that are leading teams to reach the same conclusion about cutting a highly paid very solid player who had an off year this past season. In particular, I've been worrying about Santana Moss. [Note: I'm a worrier ... not enough to get me into the Mystery Men, but I worry really well.]

Sween,

According to PFT.com, there were rumors at the Combine yesterday that Alexander may get cut by Seattle. Chances are good there will be other big names with big contracts hitting the road as well. With most teams having lots of cap room, this is a good year for them to get rid of contractual mistakes.

The only way I'd take a corner in the 1st is if Leodis McKelvin were to drop to 21. And maybe not even then, but it would be tempting. There's exceptions to every rule.

Then again, if there's a player like that at 21 we might have an opportunity to trade down.

That being said, with the Redskins likely to have little more than $103 and a ham sandwich in cap room, players like Santana and CP should be around DC until they are 40.

tafka, thanks for the update on that. I could see that happening, given how quickly he's seemingly gone downhill, and how much he makes.

Does anyone have any good guess where that Guard from U.Va. will be drafted? (Albert?) He looks like an instant starter at Guard.

RC, how do you think your boys looked against Lyon. I think they played ok and should be fine for the home leg at OT with the away goal in hand.

Loved my Roma sides showing against Madrid. They love to play free flowing but learned against ManU. they aren't good enough to play that way against the big boys.

Milan did what they had to.

Inter got spanked by the Reds.

Posted by: Skinz | February 22, 2008 10:23 AM

Man Untied (always loved that spelling!) looked 'ok'. They'll go through fine.

I told you Roma could do it!

Milan will go through, no problem - probably 1-0.

And Inter-Liverpool? Who cares, the winner will go out in the next round anyway....

In other thoughts, does it seem like some big time vet talent around the league has been getting cut this season?

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2008 11:29 AM

Mostly it seems like teams like Miami and Atlanta are making a committment to rebuilding, and in doing so they are willing to carry some dead money this year. The Skins aren't in the same boat because they're looking to compete this year.

skinz - agree with most of your assessment. I think we're better off at CB than most seem to acknowledge. Springs is a top-quality corner (albeit an old one), Smoot is very good and still has at least 2-3 years left in his prime, and Rogers is also very, very good (and young). Yes, he won't be 100% to start the season, but he will get there, and I have more than enough faith in Springs and Smoot to be able to hold it down until Rogers comes back.

We have one young stud at safety, who'll only get better, and another young prospect in Doughty. Now Doughty may not be the answer, but I think he's earned his shot to prove it. I said it should be addressed, maybe with a veteran FA pickup to step in in case Doughty can't cut it, but at this point we don't need to use one of those precious top picks on a DB.

LB, unless you're Ray Lewis, has always been a crapshoot position in my opinion, much like a RB. You need someone solid, but not necessarily spectacular. LB's are one of those positions i like to call a "glory" position, because they get to clean up everything and make all the tackles. But LB success is almost always predicated on what happens up front. Yes, we're old and have injury concerns, but we had two relative unknowns step in last year in Blades and Godfrey with very little drop-off in production. Ok, if we have the next Ray Lewis or London Fletcher fall in our laps, and he's clearly head-and-shoulders above the rest of the draft prospects, then we draft a LB. If not, if it's even close, I don't think we take one in the 1st two rounds.

Does anyone have any good guess where that Guard from U.Va. will be drafted? (Albert?) He looks like an instant starter at Guard.

Posted by: tafka | February 22, 2008 11:42 AM

Somebody had him high 2nd round.

but when DeShawn Foster got cut yesterday (the day before?), it was seeming a little "what have you done for me lately?"

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2008 11:29 AM

Don't buy the DeShaun Foster is a big name. Never had a 1000 yard season. Has fumbled 16 times in 5 years and had 1 maybe 2 decent years receiving (300+ yards). Not exactly stellar stats.

Leftwich's stats have dropped dramatically over the last 2 years. (Granted he's had some injuries and hasn't played a lot.)

sween, as for Mystery Men, you'd have to start as second-string shoveler anyway.

The careful reader will catch a faint whiff of what he shovels...

tafka, some of the sites I've seen, are in agreement that the G, Albert, most likely will be the first G off the board on draft day.

psps, I don't buy that Rogers is a very, very ggod corner. He's alright. He can't ever seem to get his head around to look for the ball. He's overrated, in my book, and now will probably lose a step.

Regarding CBs, don't forget Leigh Torrence. I thought he played really well last year. And he has blazing speed.

I wonder about depth at safety with talk about Prelow going to Jacksonville.

LB concerns me. Godfrey might go to Jacksonville. Rocky's knees and Marcus' health... Wouldn't mind if Briggs were the one big cost FA signing this year. Did Briggs ever play for Blache?

PSP,

I agree with everything but corner. Good corners allow you to do so much. Double move showed flashes last year in his 6 games but hardly enough not to worry about.

Smoot is ok but I would rather him be the 3rd Corner. Springs will hit a wall at some point maybe next year or the year after. We'll see.

Why we might need to stock up at CB
by Daggar

Romo -> TO
LBM ->Plaxico
Brady -> Moss/Welker/Gaffney/Watson/...

Our path is clearer than most -- we have to play against some of the better WRs in the league, being thrown to be some of the better QBs in the league.
You cannot have too many too good DBs. Recall that our mid-season tailspin started with Sean's knee injury.
And yes, generating pressure is critical too. DL (or DL/LB hybrid) is an area of improvement. But to be able to go to a 6 DB set, and then bring Double Vision in for the clear blitz, now that would be cool.

I think Rogers would be a starter on 90% of the teams in the league. He's not Champ Bailey, but he was obviously thought of highly enough by Gregg Williams that he had the starting spot held down, while Springs and Smoot rotated. There's no need to upgrade there, or even think about upgrading over him. He'll be a step slower for a little bit, but he'll get it back. By the time any top pick gets ready for prime-time, Rogers will be back to full speed anyway, so it's not necessary in my opinion.

Scamp,

I agree rogers is OK at best, he has 4 interceptions in 34 career games you can do the percentage on that and I think he has dropped something like 7 or 8 balls that should have been intercepted.

I don't know that drafting a Guard in the 1st round makes a lot of sense normally, but it does happen occasionally. (Gurode of Dallas comes to mind, however you spell his name.) With Thomas coming back from a major injury and Kendall's knees in question, drafting a stud Guard early might be a shock to most but a smart long-term decision for the Redskins. It's rare that an interior lineman starts as a rookie, but with Kendall and Thomas, the odds are good that a rookie would get ample work in DC.

Of course, Offensive Guard is about as unglamorous as there is in the NFL (right next to kick holder), so it's probably unlikely that Vinny would pull the trigger on such a move.

Don't get me wrong psps, I don't think that we need to prioritize replacing him right now. I just don't think he's as good as some would say. He's alright, but not great.

Comparing Rogers to Springs/Smoot is an apples and oranges thing. Rogers is a Cover-2 corner; Springs/Smoot are man-to-man corners. Does it make much sense to have different styles of CB? Only if your defense is changing styles constantly (which Gregg Williams did a lot).

Based on what I have heard about Rogers knee recovery, don't expect him to be back to full speed until 2009. Maybe that's why there is talk of getting the CB from San Diego.

Comparing Rogers to Springs/Smoot is an apples and oranges thing. Rogers is a Cover-2 corner; Springs/Smoot are man-to-man corners.

Posted by: tafka | February 22, 2008 12:09 PM

Not exactly apples to oranges. (All CB) More like tangerines to mandarins

Don't get me wrong psps, I don't think that we need to prioritize replacing him right now. I just don't think he's as good as some would say. He's alright, but not great.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 22, 2008 12:06 PM

Fair enough. My original argument was that we don't need to spend one of our top 2 picks for that spot, although it would be nice to bring in some talent for depth purposes. I just think it should be much more of a priority for the FO to upgrade the D-line and bring in future prospects for the O-line. There's not much our corners can do when the QB has 7+ seconds to find a receiver, and there's not much our prospective stud WR can do if JC's running for his life on every play.

We need depth at CB, and thats including and acknowledging that Torrence is a keeper/Gamer...

Lets forget Double Move for 08.....

Looks like Springs is back (good) but I think its safe to assume we cant count on him being on the roster past 08...

so...

keep grooming Torrence, get a new dude, rehab rogers and let Smoot/Springs start this year and do their thing....

Why we might need to stock up at CB
by Daggar

Romo -> TO
LBM ->Plaxico
Brady -> Moss/Welker/Gaffney/Watson/...

Posted by: daggar | February 22, 2008 11:57 AM

you don't think this is a bigger concern?:

NYG -> Umenyiora, Tuck, Strahan, Kiwanuka
Dallas -> D.Ware, Spears, Canty
Philly -> T. Cole, Darren Howard, Jim Johnson's insane blitz packages

this morning TE drove off podcast ...

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2008 11:22 AM

I'm not buying it. I think Podcast was was having an opposites day. What I wrote to him was "Of course you're welcome on the blog. Feel free to post without asking my permission!" Then, he responded by saving he'd never post again. What could I have said to encourage him? "Eat worms and die"?

do any of you football genii know whether a pulling guard is anywhere near as important in the West Coast style offense as it is in the "run first" offense?

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2008 10:57 AM

The only clue to this question is the difference in the Seahawks running game after Hutchinson left and went to Minnesota. Seahawks ran very well behind Hutch and haven't done much since. With Zorn running things, getting a Guard similar to Hutchinson to help the running game of the Redskins wouldn't be a shock.

I just think it should be much more of a priority for the FO to upgrade the D-line and bring in future prospects for the O-line. There's not much our corners can do when the QB has 7+ seconds to find a receiver, and there's not much our prospective stud WR can do if JC's running for his life on every play.

Posted by: psps23 | February 22, 2008 12:14 PM

I agree 100%

do any of you football genii know whether a pulling guard is anywhere near as important in the West Coast style offense as it is in the "run first" offense?

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2008 10:57 AM

The only clue to this question is the difference in the Seahawks running game after Hutchinson left and went to Minnesota. Seahawks ran very well behind Hutch and haven't done much since. With Zorn running things, getting a Guard similar to Hutchinson to help the running game of the Redskins wouldn't be a shock.

Posted by: tafka | February 22, 2008 12:22 PM

Mack Strong had something to do with that too.

Oh, and when healthy, Randy is a very good pulling guard.

http://beta.profootballtalk.com/2008/02/22/friday-morning-one-liners-5/

The Fins apparently won't be trying to re-sign RG Rex Hadnot.

RC, is this someone the Skins should look at?

The turning point on the Seahawks' running game was when Hutchinson left. The retirement of Mack Strong in mid-2007 just made the situation worse.

Vinny said he wants offensive lineman with versatility. The "experts" say that Albert can probably play OT as well as OG.

For all of you who say CB isnt an issue, go over to extremeskins.com.

Shawn Springs house is for sale and he's moved his furniture out. Sounds to me like he is not in the teams plans. CB IS a need with Springs here. Its an absolute necessity with Springs gone. We can't have Smoot as our #1 CB starting the season. Smoot is a solid #3 CB an an emergency #2... nothing more.

It also would not surprise me to see the Redskins draft an outside linebacker. Washington doesn't have much left in the tank, Rocky is coming back from a major knee injury, Godfrey may be leaving, and Briggs looks to be going to San Fran.

Even if Springs was playing here another year, it makes little sense for him to live in the DC area. He trains in Arizona in the off-season, and he has spent most of his spare moments in Dallas with his family since his dad went into a coma.

And maybe JLa made Springs an offer on the house that Springs couldn't refuse.

Shawn Springs house is for sale and he's moved his furniture out. Sounds to me like he is not in the teams plans. CB IS a need with Springs here. Its an absolute necessity with Springs gone. We can't have Smoot as our #1 CB starting the season. Smoot is a solid #3 CB an an emergency #2... nothing more.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | February 22, 2008 12:36 PM

Lets not forget that Smoot was average before GG. He thrived in our system and upon leaving to Minn. he fell back down to mediocrity. However, he comes back and boom...same old good-tackling, trash-talking Smoot. Maybe in THIS system, he can be a no.1 option. But I dont want to have to pin our hopes on Torrence and Rogers if Springs leaves.

It seems like Springs would take a cut. He's been slowed by injuries on and off, his whole career. He's good in our system. He's got to realize that the rest of the league wont value him as highly as we do.

HAIL!!

would anybody be as happy as i would be to see the redskins get teh safety kenny phillips from miami...a lot of draft experts have him falling due to teams not having the necessity at safety this year as previous years...i mean he seems like the real deal...

even randy moss looked like a subpar receiver when he was in an unfavorable situation (in oakland). i'd rather judge smoot by his performances where they actually mattered to us...in a redskins uniform. i personally thought he was playing the best football of anyone on the team to end the season, bar none. he was a blanket on those receivers during the post-ST tragedy, and was playing better than every NFC popularity-bowl corner at the time. hopefully he can keep that kind of play up for a whole season.

beepizeep

My issue of "Oprah" the Magazine is late again.. I'm dying to know: Who's on the cover this month?

Holy wait a minute...Jasno's back!!!

About the DRAFT and FAs

My advice? (yeah, like who asked for it?) Get a reasonably priced DB and big receiver in FA ( 'skins can't draft WRs, remember?), and use the draft to rebuild the lines.

Um, why aren't Tom Brady, greatest QB EVER!, and R. Moss, greatest receiver EVER! celebrating with Bill Belichick, greatest coach EVER!???

Giants D-line beat Pats O-line. Pure and simple. Give The Hoody all the camcorders he wants, it won't change the fact that lines win championships.

In a couple of years the DEs and OL of the skins will be ancient. And the Brigg's and '6'5" receivers obtained this year won't matter.

If Snyderatto grab for headlines again and bring in some overpriced and under motivated FA AGAIN, it just means more of the same mismanagement, and more years of Locusts at Redskin Park.

Posted by: dcsween | February 21, 2008 05:22 PM>>>

Sween, you've obviously forgotten the problem of low-hanging fruit was solved when the NFL passed the Tuck Rule.

"I would rather see them put more time into an unknown, than waste time on a known."--KOST52

"There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know."--DON RUMSFELD

"I know one thing. I'm a lot more cleverer since I learned how to use the Google."--CORKCZAR

++++Not a problem...Peace to all you fellas, including you, Mr. Evaluator. Podspeak is spoken here no more. Feel free to cut and paste as I leave the building.

Posted by: podspeak | February 22, 2008 10:29 AM++++

Then take your PC butt out of here. Talent Evaluator's post was HUMOR!!! In case you haven't noticed, a number of posts here are meant to be humorous.

No one is taking a shot at you, and he apoligized anyway. Unless...hey, wait a minute, are you two conspiring on some underground absurdist humor? Yeah...that's the ticket.

It's only football. We're skin fans. We dang well better learn to laugh. My Lord Dan SNYDER owns the team, and made millions upon millions and isn't bright enough to fire Vinnie Ceratto?

Now THAT's funny.

Sorry, I've posted too much. That's the LAST time I get two Jamaican Overcaf Espresso Grandes before hitting the board.