Another 3rd... awesome!

Nice!

Makes me wish I was at home so I could hit the :

BONG!

This has to be the most draft picks the redskins have had since about 2001/2002. By my count they have 9 total picks in this draft. Opportunity is staring the Redskins in the face.

So, who's fault is it that we got the highest compensatory pick?

I say the blame goes to Gibbs 2.3.......

...and the Redskins are staring back.

Thanks cindy! is jason still on vacation?

Three picks? I'm crossing my fingers that the Skins don't go for: zit, nose, and butt.

So, who's fault is it that we got the highest compensatory pick?

I say the blame goes to Gibbs 2.3.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 31, 2008 03:23 PM

Blame goes to Derrick Dockery for being such a greedy gut.

Dockery wasn't a greedy gut. The Bills were silly spenders. There were worse guards who got better money around that time. [I'm thinking maybe it was Steinbach.] The free agent period last season, which got delayed twice after short term extensions of the expiring CBA, started RIGHT AFTER the new CBA came out and nobody knew what any of it meant. Now that the owners have figured it out, they set a record in franchising players (driving down prices in free agency) and they want out of the new CBA.

I say that we should use the extra third to draft the Goat of the Game, and take the pressure off of some of the other guys like Betts, Frost, Suixham.

I wish we could get the Goat of the Game for a seventh, but for a seventh about all you can get is the Goat of the Practice Squad: "You idiot! You're supposed to look like Plaxico Burress. You look more like Brandon Lloyd."

Btwn what the Skins gained in Fletcher and what they lost in Dockery (given the fortuitous availability of Kendall), I think the Skins made out SWEET in the deal ... and the compensatory pick in the third round is PURE windfall bonus. [Of course, until this season, the Skins didn't care about the draft, so a third round pick WOULD have been either a nose pick or a zit pick.]

I ate goat once. I was in the Dominican Republic. It didn't taste like chicken. It tasted like ... goat.

marlonjohn, realistically, the skins BARELY made it into the playoffs.

SETH realistically the giants BARELY made the playoffs last year. They had to win one or their last games to clinch a spot. My point is that the skins are'nt as bad as you think they are. Nor did I say they should trade their pick. If you my posts I said later that if Hardy was their early 2nd, I could see that a trde would happen. Onnly a projection bro. I would like them to trade back and get 2,3,and 4th but that's not gonna happen because there most likely be a demand at the 21st pick. SETH I get you don't like JC, I get you would have like to see the skins splurge on a couple FA. I just don't agree.

Damn! Loseable Type ate my post. With whiskey sauce!!!
Jasno is off a little longer...
Here's now the NFL broke down the Skins:
Lost: Derrick Dockery, T.J. Duckett, Warrick Holdman, Kenny Wright
Signed: London Fletcher
And, in case you're wondering how they figure this, the NFL sez:
Compensatory free agents are determined by a formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors. Not every free agent lost or signed by a club is covered by this formula.

Now that the Skins have a compensatory pick in the third round, I'd be willing to package the regular third round pick (#21 in that round) and the first round pick for Anquan Bolden ... so shoot me, but the WR roster spot "concern" is resolved.

There's something to be said for goat cheese, but let's not go there, okay? Okay.

And, in case you're wondering how they figure this, the NFL sez:
Compensatory free agents are determined by a formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors. Not every free agent lost or signed by a club is covered by this formula.

Posted by: TheCindy | March 31, 2008 03:37 PM

In other words "Even if we wanted to tell you, we wouldn't ..." and then they would run and hide the crazy-8 ball with the octahedron inside.

dc, just say 'no' to trades involving draft picks.

They have too many needs to be doing 2 for 1 deals. Trading 2 draft picks, and only getting back 1 player.

You can't describe your marinade as "volatile" without the whiskey.
http://southernfood.about.com/od/bbqsaucemarinade/r/bl30322q.htm

cindy,

Does that give you a new appreciation of the losable type problem? You know, if you'd get all the lost posts back, we'd already be at 200K.

How many extra picks will we get next year for losing Reche Caldwell this year? How many did the Patriots get for losing him last year? Or, the Chargers for losing him the year before that?

Would there be any on-the-field compensation (draft picks) coming in the wake of the Taylor tragedy?

And does anyone know what happens to the Skins cap regarding Taylor's salary? Does his signing bonus (if there's any left - I can't remember if he was on a new deal or playing out his rookie contract) get accelerated?

greg(b), one in the hand v. two in the bush ... just saying, there would still be a second round (Guard or CB) and third round/compensatory (Guard or CB) remaining, plus five picks in the 5th-7th rounds.

Talent, I'm the one who named it Loseable Type!
http://www.commanderspalace.com/new_orleans/recipes_1.php

So, who's fault is it that we got the highest compensatory pick?

I say the blame goes to Gibbs 2.3.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 31, 2008 03:23 PM

If you're going to blame anyone, blame those 4 scumbags in a Florida prison.

Cindy,

You know, the Post published that recipe about 20 years ago when you and Jasno were in grade school. I cut it out and it's sat here ever since.

I get as far as making the whiskey sauce and the bread pudding and they're great together. The souffle part has always seemed like too much work.

I had second thoughts when I actually tasted the souffle, but seeing the recipe again has crushed them.

The Skins site says they signed Owen Schmitt again. http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=35039
I remember that Jasno thought highly of him. I don't remember how many tight ends the Skins had on the roster at any given moment last season (hopefully at least one more with the different offense), but tight ends seem like the height/weight/speed combo that makes for good special teams guys.

Quick! Let's waste those picks as soon as possible!

Pete Schmitt. [Owen Schmitt is the FB from UWV.]

It's Pete Schmitt; we had that news last week. He may be more of a backup fullback behind Sellers.

NICE...have lost of picks to make a trade and still build through the draft...

I don't know what is going to happen under Zorn but most of his staff are good coaches and they have taken care of their own and in doing so has maintained the continuity that we have waited for..Who knows what the future holds but I have a feeling they are moving in the right direction and things seem very stable comapared to prior 2004....I just have a gut feeling things are gonna be ok

HIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hate talking about Taylor in the sense of what's what now that he has gone on to another life, but:

If you're going to blame anyone, blame those 4 scumbags in a Florida prison.

Posted by: countystyle | March 31, 2008 03:56 PM

Country - These picks didn't come from Taylor (read above).

As far as a cap hit, just think what would happened had he been cut. That's how the team has to treat it...

Ooops, my bad Cindy. I spring broke last week and, though staycationing, did errands all week so didn't blog (its not like "work" where I can leave the link open all day).

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2008/mar/28/judge-demands-police-finish-sean-taylor-murder-inv/

Good read if you guys didn't see this posted earlier.....

sween,

You getting ready for the new cook-out season? That's an interesting recipe you put up. Do you think, with all that stuff in there, that anyone would know the difference if you substituted, say, Rebel Yell or Jim Beam for Jack Daniel's?

I might give it a try, but am looking for ways to economize.

cindy,

You know, if you'd get all the lost posts back, we'd already be at 200K.

Hmm... Think mvdame has a "compensatory post" formula that could estimate our true progress?

Adam

Can we have the draft tomorrow so we don't have any time to trade all of these picks away? $20 says Danny and Mini Me are on the phone with Cincy now.

BTW,

greg, if the skins draft brandon keith, are you going to start going to his hair salon?

http://www.newbury-st.com/Boston/13/2975/Hair_salons/Brandon_Keith_Hair

Adam

I think MVDame has a formula for everything. And ... cookout at Sween's house!

4th - Yeah, I remember them saying we wouldn't get a pick and would take the cap hit this year after it happened. I guess I was kind of hoping that the fact that we got the first compensatory pick was the NFLs way of being nice. Forgot Dockery was a 3rd rounder. Thanks for the link too - I missed it earlier.

The Comp Pick guru

http://adamjt13.blog.com/2813029/

t_e, with whiskey, every day is cookout season. Seriously though, I use the grill all year long ... the only really cold days seemed to be Thanksgiving (cook, damb bird, cook!). This winter was particularly mild, due in part I think, to this climate change hoax.

On these picks, an extra near the end of the third round FEELS like we got the 4th round pick back. The extra guys in the 7th? My only thought is that the Giants' last pick is going to decry the fact that he was robbed of his irrelevancy.

And ... cookout at Sween's house!

Posted by: TheCindy | March 31, 2008 04:14 PM

That answers my question. Here's the one person who could tell whether it was Jack Daniel, Rebel Yell, or Jim Beam in the bbq sauce.

http://redskins101.blogspot.com/

My look at it

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marlonjohn, you don't get very much. i said numerous times that i don't think the skins are bad. we might be better than 12 other teams in the NFC, but we arent better on paper than the giants, eagles, or cowboys at this point in time. when you're talking playoffs, thats all that matters. we are just in the toughest division in football and there arent enough wildcard slots for everyone. i can easily see a situation where the skins finish 9-7 next year and don't make the playoffs....

also, I do like JC but i am not sold on his transition to the WCO. there are only a certain number of new offenses someone can learn in a short time before their brain explodes. plus i think its natural that any new offensive minded HC is going to want to draft a QB that he likes (just like spurrier did with ramsey and Gibbs did with JC)

I have advocated many times that we should trade down as well if we can so we agree there.

i have also repeatedly stated that i am glad we havent splurged on any free agents. my only regret is that we didnt sign hackett, we cut espy and harris and we let caldwell go... specifically, i think we should have kept caldwell or signed hackett to a deal... it wouldnt have hurt us financially and would have freed our hands a little bit more with what options we have in the draft.

and finally, yes the gints did barely get in the playoffs, but they barely got in ahead of us... and then went on to actually win a few games including something called the superbowl, something we havent done since gibbs 1.0 ... our one playoff victory in recent memory was one in which the offense was the most inept in the history of the nfl playoffs. back to the giants, they beat the patriots because they had a solid dline and they had depth on their roster... our starters are better at most positions, but we have no depth. our starters are mostly old and will need to be replaced in the next 1-2 years.

t_e, sorry I forgot about that part of the question ... answer = Jameson

Why, thank you, talent! I think....

Sween, gas or charcoal? I figure you for a charcoal purist. If he were here, Mr. Tony would tell you that the big regret of his life is that he didn't switch to gas sooner.

Stumped, according to that link, the Skins (probably) got the third round pick b/c Dockery was a third round pick ... period. What I was looking for was why Fletcher didn't "cancel out" the loss of Dockery, but it doesn't say. Fletcher was undrafted. The link says the Bills get "actual" compensatory for guys, which I presume means compensation for an actual loss of TALENT. [The Bills got a 4th round pick.] That seems a shame to me.

Also, reading through that link was almost as much fun as trying to read the CBA.

If he were here, Mr. Tony would tell you that the big regret of his life is that he didn't switch to gas sooner.

Posted by: TheCindy | March 31, 2008 04:25 PM

Wow, what a set-up!

I've been reading this guy for years and I'd say he switched to gas about the time he got out of college. Or sooner.

And I mean that in a good way.

You know you've been a Redskins fan too long when after reading this you are immediately surprised that their are still compensatory draft picks awarded by the NFL.

Cindy, I'm a traditionalist ... and a pragmatist. Turkey can only be done on charcoal (and for several hours), but because fish needs to cook at such a high heat (and quickly), I use gas in the winter ... yes, I have both ... and, yes, there is barely enough room in the backyard for a sandbox, must less my bonsai collection.

No turkey frier?

I'm going to find some totally obscure regulation or system within a system in the realm of sports and become a guru of it.

The infinite is unknown!

Yeah, and no smoker?

As tempting as that sounds (fried tuuuuuurkey), I've seen one too many "America's Most Horrifying YouTubes" about tipping turkey friers.

Cindy, I'm a traditionalist ... and a pragmatist. Turkey can only be done on charcoal (and for several hours)

Posted by: dcsween | March 31, 2008 04:30 PM

Not true, sween. Mom makes a mean turkey on the gas grill. Not sure how environmentally friendly she's being using so much propane (though your charcoal briquets are taking out the rain forest), but it can be done.

Adam

no smoker?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 31, 2008 04:36 PM

How do you think I maintain the stupidity to stand over a grill for 6 hours in 30 degree weather?

I think Murf has the smoker covered...

I think Murf has the smoker covered...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 31, 2008 04:38 PM

Shout out to Big Murf

BONG....

WOOHOO!! EXTRA PICKS!!
LET THE YOUTH MOVEMENT COMMENCE!!

Dare I say this could be the most exciting REDSKINS Draft in a decade???

How do you think I maintain the stupidity to stand over a grill for 6 hours in 30 degree weather?

Posted by: dcsween | March 31, 2008 04:38 PM

That's the Jamesons, right?

Adam, big meat (like turkey or the original red meats) retain the flavor of the smoke from the coals, and gas imparts no taste (also, my gas grill is really small ... its made by Thermos). I usually soak the coals in wine (and the first few in lighter fluid) for a while before starting anyway. Gas for that long also would get real expensive. Most commercial charcoal is made from wood anyway. [Note to readers: it is POSSIBLE to cook fish on coals, but use mesquite brickets, which burn MUCH hotter than coals.]

That's the Jamesons, right?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 31, 2008 04:42 PM

Never before noon ... Greenwich Mean Time.

Big whoop?

They will just trade them away anyway.

I mean it's not like management knows what they are doing, sheesh.

- Ray

rmcazz, compensatory picks cannot be traded ... though I guess it does make the 21st picks in rounds look more tradeable. Actually, it wouldn't surprise me if there was some "within round" trading by the Skins, i.e., to move up or down within a particular round if there is a guy they really want ... or a guy they still think they will be able to get lower down.

goose, this is a HUGE opportunity for the Redskins. I really hope that Vin is burning the midnight, and beyond, oil in preparation for this draft. He needs to come away with a WR, G, DE, DT, G, all of whom can step in from Day 1 and start without a dropoff.

I wonder how feverishly the mock draft sites that project out seven rounds are working to update the site to reflect the compensatory picks. You can outfeverish mock draft sites.

In my failed attempt at a Nate impressions, I wrote "can outfeverish" when I meant "can't overfeverish." No one outoutverbs Nate.

Adam, big meat (like turkey or the original red meats) retain the flavor of the smoke from the coals, and gas imparts no taste (also, my gas grill is really small ... its made by Thermos).

Posted by: dcsween | March 31, 2008 04:42 PM

1. Fair points, but with sufficient aromatics shoved up its arse, Mom's turkey turns out pretty tasty, and she's somehow able to do this without burning through a whole propane tank.

2. No chance the blog crew can gulag you into cooking post Nats game fare at your BBQ outpost? We'll bring beer/booze for the chef :)

Adam

For those of us not in the RI basketball tournament, did the PDiddy dog picks win?

Surely "The Receiver" was "lost to free agency"?

I think that's a #1 pick right there?

Fletcher was a FA signing by the Bills.

The formula is more heavily tilted towards the team's drafted players leaving vs. a FA player leaving.

Let us pause for a moment to recall what the Giants did in the draft last year. A smart draft like that would be huge for the Redskins:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=3410&type=team

MTSC,
At present, 4-12 is wearing/sharing the leader's purple dress with C-squared and 8above MSL.

4-12 contends that his/her "baby" is the prognosticator of record.

Thank you Stumped. I wouldn't have done well anyway because I had the U.S. Americans, the South Africa, and the Iraq in my final 4.

Still MTSC you should have played. I'm sure your picks would have done at least as well as 4th Floor, who is tied for last place with someone named iknownothingaboutbasketball (MTSC, don't let that big word scare you, it's German).

sween

I think you are right... don't see skins making 9 picks ....more than likely they move up in some rounds to get a player they want and might lose if they sit tight and wait (Rocky Mac) ...only with the extra picks they should still draft more "new" players .....my continued theme is they get players who can play and not worry as much about positions of need... we need everything anyway just take the best player available......

WOW...9 draft picks!!! The starting QB named in the offseason...no big, unproven free agent signings...FO resigning its own players...Vinny talking to the media openly about the teams plan...

Sounds like the foundation of a winning franchise...

Skins could get creative now. They can trade away a couple to move up or they could get a backup QB to keep in the system. We can get 3 or 4 CB's...we can get a Center to replace Rabach, a FB...

Yes!!! No more draft days with 3 picks!!!

Sadly, I'm firing my dog after his picks went awry. Next year, I'm going to get the hobo who lives in my alleyway to make my picks.

To answer t_e's question from the previous thread: While I love Commander's Palace, I'm morally opposed to "jacket required" joints. I'll take Delmonico's, Chez Paul's, and a lesser known (but still wonderful) place called Petunia's.

I think they will od good in the draft. The karma has been moving in the right direction so far this offseason, and I see staying like that moving forward.

You guys have been saying we need depth. Well, with 9 picks, we can get some depth going. The New England Patriots lead the league since 2000 in trading picks, so bagging on the skins for getting rid of their picks is baseless. It's all about what becomes of them.....

Troy Walters. FA WR. I think we should sign him....

we might be better than 12 other teams in the NFC, but we arent better on paper than the giants, eagles, or cowboys at this point in time. when you're talking playoffs, thats all that matters.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | March 31, 2008 04:20 PM

too many years we have been the best team on paper( ive thought in the past thats all dan ever cared about.) lets face it looking good doesnt win games or make the playoffs. lets give continuity and stability a try. really after all these disapointing years i dont think you should rag on tring something new until we see how it goes.

and fried turkey is where its at

Sean Taylor was taken by the Washington Redskins with the fifth pick overall in the 2004 NFL draft. If the NFL compensates teams for losing free agents, certainly they should compensate for untimely death (with equal value I might add). Therefore the Redskins should receive the fifth pick in the first round of the 2008 NFL draft. The teams picks 5 though 32 should slide down one position to 6 through 33.

Troy Walters. FA WR. I think we should sign him....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 31, 2008 06:10 PM

This guy is an idoit. He does not know what he's talking about.....

There are only 31 picks in this year's 1st round.

Also, I don't think they should get any special treatment 'just cause' for the sympathy aspect of this situation. It is very unfortunate, but Taylor would not benefit from this. He should just be honored and remembered for what he was, not what the media thought he was.....

***gallows humor on***

jofobu,
While I certainly understand the sentiment, to allow NFL teams death compensation in the draft as you suggest would put a price on the heads of all those top picks, should they not perform up to expectations.

It would bring a whole new meaning to the terms "player contracts" and "contract talks."

***gallows humor off***

LMAO Stumper..

If we got draft picks for players dying. Burnell would have had to bullet proof jacket on the field, because somebody would have taken a shot with a sniper rifle.
With more picks it just means more 3rd round picks to the Bengals. Because I know the Skins are going after Chad Johnson. They made cap room for somebody. And it wasn't for the draft considering there pick is 21st. They wouldn't need that much money.

we have like 8 or 9 mill for nine draft picks don't we?

. i can easily see a situation where the skins finish 9-7 next year and don't make the playoffs....

SETH

I can easily see the skins finish 9-7 next year AND make the playoffs. If you look over the years 9-7 puts you near the bottom third of the round.

also, I do like JC but i am not sold on his transition to the WCO. there are only a certain number of new offenses someone can learn in a short time before their brain explodes. plus i think its natural that any new offensive minded HC is going to want to draft a QB that he likes (just like spurrier did with ramsey and Gibbs did with JC)

SETH

Says who? If you have a franchise QB what sense does that make? A new HC comes in and says "
Geez I know you're a good OB but I didn't pick you so I'll throw out the three years invested and start my own project". Great logic. Plus JC has been i a similar system with much success, so you're thinking he can't do it is not based on his past performance.

i have also repeatedly stated that i am glad we havent splurged on any free agents. my only regret is that we didnt sign hackett, we cut espy and harris and we let caldwell go... specifically, i think we should have kept caldwell or signed hackett to a deal... it wouldnt have hurt us financially and would have freed our hands a little bit more with what options we have in the draft.

SETH

Except Vinny has a plan not to pay more than the minimum for someone who hasn't shown he could produce for a full year (Hackett), or for someone who may not last the length of a new contract (Caldwell). Can't knock that think. SOunds fiscally responsible.

Its possible that all four teams in the NFC East could go 10-6 or 9-7. They might even all split games with each of their division rivals.

It's unlikely, but possible. I wonder what kind of tie-breaking shabingus would ensue.

Maybe they'd let P Diddy's dog pick the teams to advance.

and finally, yes the gints did barely get in the playoffs, but they barely got in ahead of us... and then went on to actually win a few games including something called the superbowl, something we havent done since gibbs 1.0 ... our one playoff victory in recent memory was one in which the offense was the most inept in the history of the nfl playoffs. back to the giants, they beat the patriots because they had a solid dline and they had depth on their roster... our starters are better at most positions, but we have no depth. our starters are mostly old and will need to be replaced in the next 1-2 years.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | March 31, 2008 04:20 PM

That's why having five instead of four of the top 96 picks in this draft might be appealing to the skins FO.

Finally lets not knock trading a pick to get a player they want. By trading picks, the skins got Cooley, JC, MacIntosh. If they identify someone to pull that trigger, past performance has shown them to be worth it.

If the NFL compensates teams for losing free agents, certainly they should compensate for untimely death (with equal value I might add).

Posted by: jofobu | March 31, 2008 06:19 PM

The compensatory picks are part of the free agency system and are in the Collective Bargaining Agreement with the union. They were put in to make free agency more palatable to the owners.

There is nothing in it about "untimely deaths." Each team bears the risk of an "untimely death." There could be, but it would be difficult to know where to draw the line or how to set "fair" compensation.

For example, why just death? Why not career ending-injuries which have exactly the same effect on a team? And why should compensation be the same draft pick? Say Mark Brunell or Keenan McCardell had been killed. They were vet minimum players near the end of their career. Brunell didn't even take a snap last year. Should the 'Skins have gotten a pick? They didn't even draft him. Etc.

I am not nervous at all about the transition to the WC O. If you look at campbell in college, he picked up 4 new systems in 4 years. the one in which he broke out in was a form of the West Coast O. I have no doubt in his ability to adapt to or thrive in the new offense.

I also like the quick recievers we have, if we can get one big stronger one we will have both a bull that can go up for it and speedy escape artists that can make big plays after the catch

By trading picks, the skins got Cooley, JC, MacIntosh. If they identify someone to pull that trigger, past performance has shown them to be worth it.

Posted by: marlonjohn | March 31, 2008 07:37 PM

I'm not convinced. I'll give you Cooley, but the jury's still out on the other two. MacIntosh was an injury risk and I'm betting he doesn't play as many plays in the NFL as Arrington did. We gave up an extra number two for him -- that would be a starter. Plus the next LB in that draft has put up better numbers than Rocky has.

JC? We'll see. We gave up a lot for him and, so far, he's played about as well as Patrick Ramsey did in his first two years. He just looks a lot more professional than Ramsey did. I hope he'll work out, but we gave up a lot to get him.

Patrick Ramsey started for most of his first three years and had very mediocre numbers. This is similar to Jason last year, but the huge idfference is that Ramsey did not progress at all in his time here, while we already saw huge steps from last year to this year in campbell, ie shorter release (still workinmg on it) better timing with wide recievers and he took time in the offseason to bring the skill positions together to work on this. Ramsey just didnt have the clout or Ball$ to do this and he obviously was not as much of a leader as JC is.

te I think what you aim for is to draft talented players that help your team win games. Those three guys have had a positive impact on this teams ability to win games. They may not all be all-pros yet, and they may not get there, but that reality is with every one drafted. The talent is there, now its up to the coaches, the palyers, and luck to get them to play at an all-pro level for the next 8-10 years.

Now I just wish we still had that 4th rounder from the TJ Duckett trade!

I can't believe we gave up a 3rd last year and a 4th for this year, and never used the guy!

not surprised to see the best update on this "insiders blog" in quite some time was from Maske.

not surprised to see the best update on this "insiders blog" in quite some time was from Maske.

Posted by: makalb18 | March 31, 2008 08:48 PM

Yeah it's amazing what you can do when (1) there's news to report and (2) you aren't on vacation.

On ST compensatory: as per others not in the CBA. Plus a series of precedents (e.g., Corey Stringer) where it hasn't happened.

On the Redskins getting 3 extra picks: fantastic! My theory is that they always have 3 wasted picks no matter the situation somehow, so this means 6 solid players. I would hope for 2 starters plus some solid reserves.

On the Bengals getting 4 extra picks: great, let's reward the Bengals for not paying market wage for anyone...

Zornskins

Don't mean to poop in the punchbowl, but the Holdman/Wright comp. picks only allow us to pick two names out of a hat that we get exclusive rights to negotiate a minimum contract with... if there was an iota of bargaining to be done, that might be worth something, but as it is, there are more expensive ham sandwiches Up Here.
But getting a third for Dockery is excellent news, and getting something like a 4th for Duckett makes that particular wound sting a little less.
I'd be tempted to say "aww, Holdman's worth at least a 6th", but I can't do it with a straight face.

Plus the next LB in that draft has put up better numbers than Rocky has.
Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 31, 2008 08:18 PM

do you have a name for this productive linebacker

abdul hadge- picke by green bay in round 3 of the 06 draft, was the next linebacker picked after rocky. he has appeared in 8 games starting only 2 with a grand total of 10 tackles no sacks or any other signifigant stat. I guess you were just hoping no one would research that one mr Talent evaluator

i mean abdul hodge

actually I think it was Thomas Howard. He has 206 tackles, 1 sack, 0 forced fumbles, and 6 ints for his career. He has played in 32 games. Rock has 115 tackles, 3 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, and o ints in 30 games.

But I do think Howard actually played on the defense his first year.

Given what nfl.com has, Howard has started all 32 games while McIntosh has started 15 (2 games in '06 and 13 in '07).

[Vinny Burn the midnite oil blah-blah]

"He needs to come away with a WR, G, DE, DT, G, all of whom can step in from Day 1 and start without a dropoff."

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 31, 2008 04:51 PM

DRAFT FIVE starters that step in from day one...seriously dude...what a dreamer you are...absolute dream weaver...

Sean Taylor didn't start from day one. Nor did Brett Favre, take your pick from a ton of other HOF that don't start day one. Get your gallon sized jug of cool-aid and "Gooo Vinny" sign ready for draft day.

You can't describe your marinade as "volatile" without the whiskey.
http://southernfood.about.com/od/bbqsaucemarinade/r/bl30322q.htm

Posted by: dcsween | March 31, 2008 03:46 PM

sween, thanks for the marinade! I am always looking for a good marinade. Like you I grill all year long (here in NM the weather is mostly good). I have a huge gas grill and a huge charcoal grill (which I prefer!) and use hard wood charcoal with either hickory, apple or cherry wood when I cook.

Once again, we are the best of fans...

http://mvn.com/nfl-redskins/2008/03/31/rabid-redskins-fans-do-it-again/

Rabid Redskins fans do it again

By Anthony Brown | March 31st, 2008

Neither rain, nor snow, nor gloom of night, nor questionable moves by controversial owners can keep Washington fans away from their Redskins.

The NFL announced that the Washington Redskins set the league leading attendance record for the eighth straight season. Redskins' paid attendance for 2007 was 711,471 over eight regular season games. The Redskins also topped the list for home and away game attendance with 1,264,890 tickets sold.

Attendance for all NFL games topped 22 million for the second straight season. The league released the figures on the eve of the owners meeting in Palm Beach, Fla.

The Redskins are woven deep in the fabric of the Washington region with season ticket holders transcending generational lines. I'm using tickets my father ordered so long ago and I sit in a section where many fans are grandchildren of the original ticket holder.

It's Washington's nature that it's most prized symbols are outwardly directed. It's most prominent landmarks are national monuments. It's most prominent festival celebrates Japanese cherry trees. Even it most prominent residents are out-of-towners [DC residents have no say in it] who got here by bashing the place, then never leave once they arrive. Even the new baseball team came from a foreign country.

The Redskins are the only institution that's local. It's ours. It belongs to us and unifies us more than anything else around here.

The reason the name "Redskins" still identifies the team is because most fans don't support a name change to something innocuous. We get it when Daniel Snyder says "Redskins" is a badge of honor and can't fathom why anyone would apply any other connotation. I suppose, too, most of us just don't want to give up the fight song. Like the national anthem, we stand whenever it's played.

Redskins gain pick for Derrick Dockery

The NFL awarded the Redskins three compensatory draft picks to make up for the loss of players to free agency. The Skins received a third round pick, the 96th overall, to compensate for the loss of guard Derrick Dockery. They also get two additional seventh round picks.

With the award, the Redskins have four draft picks in the first three rounds and nine picks for 2008.

The NFL Draft is April 26-27. The Danny VinZorn team shows every indication of building through the draft this season. They eschewed big name free agent signing -- a surprise to just about everyone. Gary Fitzgerald's story on redskins.com says the team is doing it's homework on collegians, especially "wide receiver, offensive line, defensive line and defensive back as need positions."

That's not necessarily the draft priority. The story reports that VP of operations Vinny Cerrato views the draft as "deep in offensive tackles, defensive end and cornerback," but not so deep at wide receiver.

Says Cerrato, "receivers are strong in the second or third round. There's not a top 10 pick [this year]. I don't know if there's a top 20 pick."
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The NFL Draft is held in New York, but the Redskins are holding a draft day party at FedEx Field. admission is free -- you don't often hear that from the Redskins, but you must be registered. You can do that at redskins.com.

The Redskins will open the team locker rooms at FedEx Field, offer autographs by Redskins legends and you can have your photographs taken on your camera with the Lombardi Trophies.

Last season, the team offered half-priced beer. I never heard of that before, either.

Tailgate, anyone?

we have like 8 or 9 mill for nine draft picks don't we?

Posted by: alex35332 | March 31, 2008 07:09 PM

The rookie allocation pool is set by the NFL, and is separately calculated for each team. (It is based on number of picks, draft position, etc.) The 2008 pool amounts should be announced soon. Expect the Redskins rookie pool to be in the $5 million range, or slightly higher.

And yes, the Redskins have sufficient cap space to sign their drafted rookies, as well as undrafted free agent rookies.

we have like 8 or 9 mill for nine draft picks don't we?

Posted by: alex35332 | March 31, 2008 07:09 PM

The rookie allocation pool is set by the NFL, and is separately calculated for each team. (It is based on number of picks, draft position, etc.) The 2008 pool amounts should be announced soon. Expect the Redskins rookie pool to be in the $5 million range, or slightly higher.

And yes, the Redskins have sufficient cap space to sign their drafted rookies, as well as undrafted free agent rookies.

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Yes, Folks - it's yet another Loseable Type disaster!!!

Please don't send me to RI Purgatory!

(Cindy, that is one way to get back all the posts that Loseable Type has lost - get every post to show up multiple times.)

Now I just wish we still had that 4th rounder from the TJ Duckett trade!

I can't believe we gave up a 3rd last year and a 4th for this year, and never used the guy!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | March 31, 2008 08:44 PM

The compensatory pick in the third round essentially returns us to drafting in every round ... so the Duckett trade got unstung ... by Dockery of all people.

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