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If the Denver Post is correct it sounds like a lot of teams want to trade down. Not a good omen for the skins to do so. Now if they wanted to move up and grab a Derrick Harvey or Branden Albert, it sounds like the Broncos might be willing to fleece some picks from them again.
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_8845151

Jasno,
Nice scoop.

Greg - Grant was Paractice Squad Member in '05, Injured - Non Football related in '06 for the Giants. He had no REAL ROSTER experince until this year. No Carries. No Games Played. Nada. Until this past year, when this UNPROVEN RB got a shot on the 53 Man Roster. He seems in the same position as Mason does to me.....

Ahmad Bradshaw was a 7th Round draft pick last year and ending being one of the missing links for the SB run. He was an UNPROVEN RB who was given a chance and not cut.....

I see no difference between these 2 guys and Mason.

Posted by: 4th | April 8, 2008 1:01 PM

(from the last thread)

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=15502281

I have found the real Nate.

Posted by: | April 8, 2008 12:46 PM

That is some funny stuff. I almost fell out of my chair picturing this Buddhist socking Fake Nate in the nose over some beers.

Keep cruising on your scraper bike, Nate!

Posted by: BONG | April 8, 2008 12:59 PM

Good insight. Thanks for the info.

i like the skins going for o-line, not flashy but very responsible. you always need depth and as we saw with dockery the league is bidding up RGs now.

a little surprised to hear we don't need DE and after all the love on the blog for Golston & Montgomery (look, we CAN draft!) I thought maybe we had more than just average DTs... maybe not.

Report: character concerns drop Talib, Manningham from multiple draft boards
Two first-round, early-entry juniors � Kansas CB Aqib Talib and Michigan WR Mario Manningham � have been removed from the draft boards of multiple NFL teams because of character concerns. Specifically, Talib admitted at the Combine to testing positive for marijuana three times while at the University of Kansas, according to several league sources. While teams appreciated Talib's honesty, it bothered one team that Talib dismissed the first positive test because he said he had told Kansas head coach Mark Mangino that he was going to test positive. Manningham, unlike Talib, denied testing positive at any time throughout college when the question was posed at the Combine about his past marijuana use. He also worked out poorly at the Combine after having waited to sign an agent and showing up unprepared to the annual event. -- Pro Football Weekly

The Skins should have been drafting O line in previous years, especially in the middle rounds. Looking for an overachiever. Their top 7 linemen are all in their 30's. This year, it is urgent.

The Skins had depth last year -- contrary to a lot of the comments on the blog. It was enough to deal with a lot of player losses and still win down the stretch. This year, some of the 'depth' guys are likely to be starters especially on defense. Which means this team will be a little less talented and a little less deep.

Blache does have some youth on the line and the Skins have emphasized picking defense in the past years with their top picks (ie Rocky, Taylor, Rogers). The Skins only have 2 starters on offense that they drafted in the last 5 years (Cooley and Campbell). Overall, there are few Skins offensive players that they drafted.

Also, the offense is changing more than the defense, so you would think the roster would need to adjust more to the new offense.

Which means the Skins should be drafting mostly offense in this draft.

Pretty clear that it's Redcoat based on this spelling.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 8, 2008 12:34 PM

For the 947th time, no. It has been known for people other than the British to spell humo(u)r correctly you know...

All sounds good, I for one am not sold on any of the WR's either. Plus we have greater needs than a potential flop as well. Love the line ideas, as well as the trade down ideas.

What's the going rate for trading this years first? Could it be possible that we could swing a 2nd this year for a 1st next year? So in return for #21 we would land a 2nd and a 1st next year?

Whatever, I'm down for whatever we do - they know more than we do.....

BONG!

4th,

i think you are right about the "where theres smoke, theres fire" thing. After reading this newest blog by JLC, combined with all vinnys talk about how theres no way we trade up, i think that might be what we are thinking about doing.

Mathis, as a receiver and return man, is a poor mans Santana Moss/Randel El. I really think having Moss and Randel El on the same team is somewhat redundant, and its even more redundant to add Mathis to the mix. Could Mathis be "insurance" because we are considering including Randel El or Moss in trade?

Here is speculation of the kind of trade I could see the skins doing:

Redskins send 1st rounder (#21) + 2nd rounder (#53) + Santana Moss to Denver for their 1st rounder (#12) and Kheary Colbert (he's 6'1).

According to the draft value chart, there is a 400 point disparity between our #21 and denvers #12. Our 2nd round pick is 370 points so point-wise, it would be about right. The swapping of WRs would ensure that we meet 2 important requirements of any deal involving denver:

1)give up a veteran player beloved by the team and fans
2)get screwed by denver.

What do you think?

Pretty clear that it's Redcoat based on this spelling.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 8, 2008 12:34 PM

For the 947th time, no. It has been known for people other than the British to spell humo(u)r correctly you know...

Posted by: Redcoat | April 8, 2008 1:20 PM

Right. Me thinks thou dost protest too much.

But, I did have a second thought. Who is the worst misspeller around here? Could it be? Jasno is not guy?

And, by the way, hats off to Jason for this post. I know that chRis LarRy wants more on the Caps from Jasno, but once in a while Jasno has to throw a bone to the rest of us.

I dinged you yesterday for not doing any actual reporting in quite a while so I am here to eat crow.

This is a nice write-up, very interesting (albeit, nothing new or groundbreaking), and hope to see more like it in the next few weeks.

IMO, a guy like Drayton Florence would have been a great piece to plug in at CB this season but like most FAs this year he was highly overpaid for his services; I'm glad we didn't sign him to that kind of money.

Not sure how real a possibility trading down would be, although, if the right player is on the board at 21 that potential trade partner, I agree, we should pounce on that.

JLC,

thanks for this blog! In the absense of any true "insider" info, this is the kind of article i enjoy reading. Reporting facts and rumblings without any positive or negative bias. good work!

I certainly hope the skins trade down if they are able to. Brandon Albert is good, but he's not worth trading up (more than 2-4 slots) for. In a draft full of depth along both lines, we could find a player almost as good as Albert in the 2nd or 3rd round. We got Dockery in the 3rd and Buges seems to be doing his homework. I think he could find a player in the 3rd this year who could start at guard this year or find a Tackle who could replace Jansen next year. I simply don't want us to move up for anything - even albert.

How about S Kenny Phillips (The U) if he's available?

This is the kind of post I want, great job Jasno.

I would love O-Line with the 1st pick or trade down depending on who is there. I agree no 1st round receiver, but if Harvey falls you go with him wether you think you need DE or not.

Also, want to agree with 4th from the last post: ARE is not getting it done as a punt returner and the 'Skins need an upgrade.

mtnskins--

Thanks for posting the link to the Denver paper, but I don't think it says anything about the 'Skins prospects for trading down. The draft is very different at 21 than at 10. After all, that's where Denver is thinking about trading to -- bottom third of the first round. Might be many teams that want to move up to 21. Hope that Jasno will address this as the draft approaches.

TE,

Agree we need an upgrade at PR, one of the draft picks should be able to take care of this.

not sure whether I'm going to be agreeing with 4th, talkshowhost (what happened to the CAPSLOCK?), or t_e aka KK, but a scenario I could see unfolding ... if either Dorsey or Sedrick Ellis somehow slip to the #12 spot, would be the Skins trading UP to get the monster DE prospect in exchange for the #21 spot and Betts. Denver has not been able to recover at the RB position since they traded Portis ... so what better move that to go for Portis' replacement?

I'm also pretty high on drafting o-line early, and as we've all said, Albert sounds like a beast. He might be the only guy I'd consider trading up for. Unless, Long or Ellis happens to drop about 10 rounds past their projected ones.

The Skins won't try to move up much, if at all. They won't want to get into the territory where they have to pay a rookie a bunch of $$$.

Mason can return punts and be our new #2 RB if need be. No way we can let him go....

theres alot goin around with wr posistions ( who we have and havent picked up ) Im looking forward to see what 6ft 5 anthony mix is gonna bring to the table. hes behind moss, thrash and randel el. so we have a depth chart set right now that if we do draft young, how soon will we see some real feild play from that person. I think a good focus would be on a corner. how many more quality years does springs have in him? and i dont know if anyone noticed that the defeated ne patriots have a nice 7th round pick. makes me kinda sick.

Mathis, as a receiver and return man, is a poor mans Santana Moss/Randel El.

Just that Moss and ARE have receiving skills, and Mathis does not. Otherwise, agree 100 percent.

4th, call me when Mason makes the team, or has a carry in a real NFL game.

I'm going with Kentwan Balmer in the first, and Nelson in the second.

I think you mean Duane Brown as a possible first day selection at tackled out of VT.

Jason LaConfora, today you da man. Not that you care or read my posts (hopefully I'm wrong) by apologies and hats off to you!

Isn't Long a DE, not an OT like you say???

Sween, I am wary of trading with Denver. Seems we always get fleeced when we deal with them.

I say no to trading up. If Vinny's "quality and quantity" means anything it means that we don't give up two picks, or a player and a pick, to get one pick. We need every pick we've got in the first three rounds. After that, yeah, maybe I'd trade two sevenths for a sixth.

There are two Longs ... Howie's kid, Jake (DE) and the guy from Michigan, Chris (OT) ... not to be confused with John Wayne Bobbitt, who is not long.

Isn't Long a DE, not an OT like you say???

Posted by: YoYoYo | April 8, 2008 1:57 PM

Two Longs in draft. One from UVA and one from UM. Both projected to go top 10.

Isn't Long a DE, not an OT like you say???

Posted by: YoYoYo | April 8, 2008 1:57 PM

There are two Longs. One of each. And two longs don't make a light.

Mason can return punts

4th, is he a family member or something?? Why do you think this guy is such a talent when there is NOTHING to base it on.

mtnskins--

Thanks for posting the link to the Denver paper, but I don't think it says anything about the 'Skins prospects for trading down. The draft is very different at 21 than at 10. After all, that's where Denver is thinking about trading to -- bottom third of the first round. Might be many teams that want to move up to 21. Hope that Jasno will address this as the draft approaches.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 8, 2008 1:42 PM

t.e. - Good point. I was thinking that if a lot of teams want to trade down than it may be difficult for the skins to do so as well. Guess it depends on where they think the value is and which player slides.

Duane Brown!!!! :)

That was Not 4th, not me.....

But I do believe we have something in this player who shined in DII (or was it I-AA)...

4th--

You're out of control on the punt return fetish of yours. Marcus Mason never has returned a punt. Not in the NFL, and not a Youngstown State.

Also, if we can get atleast one more year out of Jansen, Heyer can be inserted easily in his place.

Chris Sameuls has a good 4-5 years left....

also worth considering is the fact that there always seems to be a player that falls somewhere between 20 and 32(aaron rogers, brady quinn, etc) that SOMEONE is willing to trade up to get. Or, someone could REALLY like a guy like Johnathan Stewart (several mocks have him going to dallas at 22) and want to keep him from getting nabbed by the cowgirls. Imagine the joy of trading down and screwing over the girls at the same time! but i digress. Its really too early to predict who might want to trade to our spot.

These things always happen during the draft. unless we trade our 21 for a player now, i don't think we will have any more insight on potential trade partners until draft day.

The Redskins need to get a DE. I questioned last year's pickup of Landry because they needed a DE then. This time they need to select Derrick Harvey if he's available or possibly Philip Merling. The DE position for the 'skins needs young healthy talent. No other postion makes sense to me, except maybe DT Kentwan Balmer.

No trading up.
Trade back if anything at all.
9 draft picks is good, 10 would be even better.
Keep Betts, unless someone offers us a 2nd round pick.

Did I miss anything?

Look at me! I'm as happy as a little girl. Actual GOOD Redskins news.

And as for you, Mr. PDX, my old friend, I'm allowed to get bummed about the lack of actual news about my team and to bemoan the presence of, ugh, soccer lingo.

Okay, so I take it that 4th is under control but that not 4th is out of control. It's confusing when not 4th calls himself 4th.

Oh, and I agree with the idea of taking an OL. The other need postions can be filled later in the draft, not especially well, but I think well enough.

There are three Longs if you include Long Dong Silver

"yeah mad dog, first time long time....um i have a trade proposal for ya...how about betts and an 8th round pick to the colts for marvin harrison and dwight freeney. that would give them a RB to replace rhodes and relieve them of them oft injured harrison what da ta think?"

4th, i agree with you on samuels outlasting jansen, although i think 5 more years starting is a bit optomistic. Heyer has shown alot of promise, but i am not 100% sold on him being the permanent replacement for Jansen. If he does well this year in a reserve role or even as a starter for a few games, i would love to see him signed to an above-average contract extension (for a backup OL). I'm thinking maybe 5 years with 4M signing bonus and an average of 3M/year would be good for someone like him.

I'm curious about Jansens future though. If we're lucky, we can get 2 more years out of him as a starter. Looking at the chart below, he's financially "uncuttable" before 2011.

http://www.redskinswarpath.com/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm

Any chance jansen rnegotiates his to stay on as a backup at a reasonable price (think Mark Brunell)?

testing...

looking at that same chart, it looks like we're stuck with Randy Thomas until atleast 2011 as well. thats the year where it will cost us about the same (5.5M) to cut him or play him. I don't know if Thomas has another 3 years starting left in him.

Not 4th was only the Marcus Mason as punter reference.....

Everything else is pure me.

TSH - 5 years is optomistic, but I am basing that on other top-flight LT that are finally maybe calling it quits such as Ogden (37) and Pace (37-38).

If Buges is in it to win it for a few more years I think Heyer will be fine. He will be restricted for 3 more years, so he has time to develop. No need talking contracts yet.

TE, I'm sure you know, but probably forgot, you can't trade comp picks, so two 7ths for a six just won't work.

If I'm running the draft, I take 4 or 5 OL. At least 1 or 2 will pan out and it takes a couple years for these guys to play at NFL level.

I stay away from the secondary. Its just too hit and miss. Fill in the gap there with a FA or a 'Kendall' style deal.

I take chance on a big WR, maybe 2, but not before the 4th round.

The rest of the guys I pick are either DL or LB.

So my draft looks like this

O-line 4-5 players
DL or LB 2-4 players
WR 1-2 players

Any chance jansen re-negotiates his to stay on as a backup at a reasonable price (think Mark Brunell)?

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 8, 2008 2:30 PM

nope (think no)

Greg, I would take a 3rd for Betts, since we missed his window last year. The question is who would be the trade partner. I would also trade him and maybe a late rd pick for a solid corner, though I don't have someone to suggest.

km/smooth, whaddya got on Vandy tackle Chris Williams??

Has he ever played guard? Could he slide into the G spot?

My favorite part of Jasno's thread is the image of Joe Bugel on the road. Seems like the last time that happened, he would have been doing it on horseback (though he's no Don Breaux in the long teeth department).

a little surprised to hear we don't need DE and after all the love on the blog for Golston & Montgomery (look, we CAN draft!) I thought maybe we had more than just average DTs... maybe not.

Posted by: good stuff | April 8, 2008 1:09 PM

The skins need a penetrating DT
golston and mont are run stopping DTs

mmmmm...

Punt return fetish; this is zexy.

Personally, I like chocolate;

snickers, m&m's, butter fingers, you know.

all up in my mouth.

TE, I'm sure you know, but probably forgot, you can't trade comp picks, so two 7ths for a six just won't work.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2008 2:37 PM

Uh, this year's seventh plus next year's seventh? Man, that's some fancy draft maneuvering.

I don't know if Thomas has another 3 years starting left in him.

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 8, 2008 2:36 PM

Will Shields lasted until he was 37 as well. I'm thinking Randy has atleast 4-5 good years as well. Remember, lineman somehow get better as they get older and can last 12-17 years in the league playing starting caliber football...

I have a punt return for ya' all... right here!

waaaaaaaaaay deep.

trading up is almost never a good idea.....the draft is a total crapshot .... 75% of the players taken make no meaningful contribution due to total bustitude, injury, off field misconduct and general overhype....smart teams evaluate this mess and consistently find players who fit there style of play and help thier club....out of the 500 hundred or so draftable/undrafted FA's available, there are really about 100 guys who can play....lets hope the skins can find like 5 this year that will be around awhile.......

Interesting article. Especially about what could happen in 2010. I can almost see Danny wanting to make certain he doesn't have a top 8 record in 2009 so he can try to buy his championship in 2010 and beyond.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8000372/Labor-crisis-clearly-looming-for-NFL

4th, i dont think we "need" to talk to heyer about contracts soon as he is under contract. however, i think it would be wise to sign him to an above-average contract for a backup now, knowing he may develop into a starter.

i'd rather pay him sooner to a smaller contract than wait 3 more years and pay him 3 times as much money when he is a full-time starter. i don't want heyer to be the next dockery. we need to extend him after this season if he think he can be a future starter.

Uh, this year's seventh plus next year's seventh? Man, that's some fancy draft maneuvering.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 8, 2008 2:45 PM

Should have known you had a plan.

nope (think no)

Posted by: Jansen | April 8, 2008 2:39 PM

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come on jansen, take one for the team.

in line with tucker's argument in this article, i'm totally against trading up for albert.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/ross_tucker/04/02/oline.rankings/index.html

Unless we plan on starting him at tackle this year, he's just not worth the picks/players we would have to trade away to get him (as a guard).

Any of you free handlers know where I can get a decent cup of coffee?

And, by the way, hats off to Jason for this post. I know that chRis LarRy wants more on the Caps from Jasno, but once in a while Jasno has to throw a bone to the rest of us.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 8, 2008 1:32 PM

I got the real bone for ya' all. Forget about what Jasno throws us...

I don't think The Rooster is devaluing O-linemen generally, just the gap between the best and the vet min.

My thinking is that someone is going to fall. It usually happens every draft. If Albert goes early, then Otah might fall. If he's not there, then Chris Williams, might be there. If none of those guys are there, then Merling might fall.
If all the DE's are gone, and the OT/OG guys are gone, then Balmer should be the guy.

Greg, not sure where smoooth is, but he let's me use the brain on occasion, so...

Name: Chris Williams
College: Vanderbilt Number: 74
Height: 6-6 Weight: 315
Position: OT Pos2:
Class/Draft Year: rSr/2008
40 Time: 5.13 40 Low: 5.07 40 High: 5.24
Projected Round: 1 Stock:
Rated number 3 out of 165 OT's 16 / 2541 TOTAL

Combine Invite: Yes
Height: 6060
Weight: 315
40 Yrd Dash: 5.13
20 Yrd Dash: 2.91
10 Yrd Dash: 1.75 225 Lb. Bench Reps: 21
Vertical Jump: 25
Broad Jump: 08'07"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.85
3-Cone Drill: 7.95

Dates: 03/21/08
Height: 6060
Weight: 315
40 Yrd Dash:
20 Yrd Dash:
10 Yrd Dash: 225 Lb. Bench Reps:
Vertical Jump:
Broad Jump:
20 Yrd Shuttle:
3-Cone Drill:

Before Combine: Hgt: 6061, Wgt: 320, 40YD: 5.18-5.29-5.38

Draft Scout Snapshot: DS Rating on 08/12/07: #11 OT, #104/750 Overall, Projected: 3-4 rising
2007: Started all twelve contests at left tackle, receiving the top blocking grade for consistency (85.67%) of any down lineman in the SEC, as he produced 102 knockdowns/key blocks, including twelve that resulted in touchdowns while allowing only one quarterback sack and one pressure on 836 offensive snaps...Was one of the major reasons that the Commodores averaged 326.6 yards per game in total offense, leading an offensive line that allowed only seventeen sacks for losses totaling 109 yards. Developed into the Commodores' top offensive lineman and one of the premier tackles in the Southeastern Conference... League coaches tabbed Williams as a postseason second team All-SEC recipient in '06. Earned nine consecutive starts at left guard, though he played just as frequently at left tackle in '05. Participated as practice squad offensive tackle in '04. Redshirted in '03.

Draft Scout Chris Williams News
03/29/08 - The NFL Draft is four weeks from today, and the Bears' preparation has gone pretty much as expected. With glaring needs on the offensive line and a desire for competition at running back, the Bears have focused on those two areas in recent weeks. Since last month's scouting combine in Indianapolis, general manager Jerry Angelo, coach Lovie Smith and their respective staffs have visited all manner of prospects on campus both privately and as part of a group of teams. The Bears own the 14th pick in the first round and have zeroed in on several offensive tackles who could be available at that spot. Smith put Boise State's Ryan Clady through a private workout at the school, and the team plans to do the same with Vanderbilt's Chris Williams next week. Before the private workout, the Bears saw Clady perform at Boise State's Pro Day. Many other teams were in attendance as well. "Everyone, to a man, said he blew them away," Clady's agent, Pat Dye Jr., said. "Quick hands. Quick feet. That's what you look for in a great pass blocker." If Clady is off the board when the Bears pick, Williams could be the next best option. Either player would have a chance to be a long-term solution at left tackle. - Nick Hut, Kane County Chronicle

03/21/08 - Every one of the NFL's 32 teams had a representative at Vanderbilt's Pro Day today, and many - including the Panthers - were there to look at offensive tackle Chris Williams. In the morning workout, Williams did primarily position drills under the instruction of Washington assistant head coach for offense Joe Bugel, letting his NFL Scouting Combine numbers stand. Williams measured out to 6-foot-6 1/4 and weighed in at 320 pounds, according to Larry Leathers of the school's media relations department. With the Panthers picking 13th and Williams climbing a bit recently in some mock drafts, he could be an important target for Carolina. He is considered one of four offensive tackles almost certain to go in the first round, and trails only Michigan's Jake Long and Boise State's Ryan Clady on many lists. Long and Clady, though, will be well out of Carolina's range unless the Panthers trade up. Also in the first-round mix is Pittsburgh's Jeff Otah. Williams had a remarkable senior season for the Commodores, starting all 12 games at left tackle and allowing just one sack and one pressure in 836 snaps. He had the highest rating for offensive consistency (85.67 percent) of any down lineman in the SEC, and was Vanderbilt's first All-SEC first-team choice at the position since 1984. - Stan Olson, Charlotte Observer

03/20/08 - Carolina Panthers officials are expected to be in Nashville tomorrow morning for a pro day workout by Vanderbilt offensive tackle Chris Williams, a possible choice with the team's No.. 13 overall pick in the first round. Team officials have been attending similar workouts around the country in recent weeks, including those for Florida defensive end Derrick Harvey, Boise State offensive tackle Ryan Clady and Boston College offensive tackle Gosder Cherilus. Williams is rated one of the top four tackles in the draft and is projected to go in the first half of the first round. - Charles Chandler, Charlotte Observer

Let's be honest here, the skins have 3 serious needs and they are A big WR , An expierenced #3 CB, and depth along the O-Line. Trading down and adding another 1st day pick would be the best thing. That would allow us to trade our 3rd rd draft pick and a player to fill that need at CB. And we would still have 9 or more picks and less needs heading into the draft if we was to trade out of the 1st rd.

So, the blog changed a bit, I see.

Hrrm.

Sure wish the HOF would announce a specific date when HOF Game tickets will go on sale. I'm becoming steadily more paranoid that I'm going to miss out on buying tickets.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/04/08/mailbag/index.html?eref=T1

Peter Queen says Brohm could go in the bottom of the 1st round. However, none of the teams below us in the 1st round (DAL, JAC, PIT, TEN, SEA, SD, SF, GB, NYG) have need for a quarterback... so what justification would a team have for trading up.

Assuming ATL and BAL were willing to trade up to get him before Miami (1st pick in the 2nd round), logic would dictate they would only have to trade up to the 31st overall pick to outbid miami.

anyone think Miami, Baltimore, and ATL could all trade up into the first, one after another, in an attempt to get brohm? If thats the case, i think its possible one of them would be willing to move up to 21. I think we would be wise to be in communication with these 3 teams on draft day.

I got the real bone for ya' all. Forget about what Jasno throws us...

Posted by: mul | April 8, 2008 3:21 PM

That's not the way your old lady was telling the story.

I got the real bone for ya' all. Forget about what Jasno throws us...

Posted by: mul | April 8, 2008 3:21 PM

That's not the way your old lady was telling the story.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 8, 2008 3:35 PM

I heard the old lady went to the cupboard but the cupboard was bare, so the poor dog had none.

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to the moon, Alice!

the Redskins may need offensive line help, but this blog has never wanted for offensive lines.

Don't forget we can fill some of our needs with the post June 1 cuts. Alot of good players will be cut at that time.

and defensive lines, don't get me started about people getting all defensive on this blog. bunch of sissies.

Don't forget we can fill some of our needs with the post June 1 cuts. Alot of good players will be cut at that time

Not true, Redskin Jim. In the past sure, this was the case, but now a day's, teams aren't doing this type of thing. Sure they could pick up a Reche Caldwell type of player, but how much better are they really getting?

Fake Nate at 3:57pm. You are an a$$hat.

Interior line play my friends. Interior line play. That is what wins games in January. Not wr's picked in the 1st round.

poop. that was a fake Nate if I ever read one. real Nate is not a name caller.

For all the people who are bummed about the post registration, I have a idea for you.

Get over it!

1) It's not going to last that long.
2) The amount of post on this thread wouldn't be as high if registration was still required.

I just don't get people crying over someone who takes their blog name. Their BLOG NAME! Then try and use the ol' identity theft nonsense. Here's a news flash, if your blog handle is your identity, THEN YOU HAVE NO IDENTITY! You live in some sort of fantasy land. Your name that you sign on your checks or legal documents is your identity, not some damn blog handle.

Most of the people who are whinning about that ITA nonsense are people who post often and have gained "blog star" status here. They complain becuase now thats threatend. If anyone can still their "identity", then they will feel very, very small. They will get a hard backhand of reality, knowing that they don't matter and don't account for sh_t in the real world.

Here's how you solve the problem. Many of the regulars know or even hung out with La Canfora, right? I've seen many people have open conversations with Cindy, right? Well, go tell. Go and snitch and cry to them how this post registration BS is an outrage. Tell them that the moon is falling and acid is raining from the sky. Basically, tell em' is the end of life as we know it because someone stole your blog handles. Oh, excuse me, I meant identity.

also a fake Redcoat ... the real (British) one would say "I T B" (ignore the bumclowns)

Also, that was a fake "Are you F'ing Crying because someone stole your blog handle?"

Cobra, I'm not sure ANYONE has been an advocate for drafting WR in the first round. I'd say that a good amount of people think that a WR needs to be drafted, without a doubt.

"You can't handle the blog handle!"

It's always sad to watch a single person posting under multiple names in order to create the impression that they're having a 'discussion' when in fact they're just *&$$ing off.

Let us know when you're finished, then we can clean this mess up and get back to chatting.

If you have anything interesting to say, say it - as yourself, and you might actually get a conversation going with OTHER people - shock! If you don't (which I suspect is true) just go and slide back under your rock.

That was some excelent whinning at 4:05pm wasnt it?

this is real silly isnt it?

That was some excelent whinning at 4:05pm wasnt it?

Posted by: Are you F'ing Crying because someone stole your blog handle? | April 8, 2008 4:12 PM

No. It was actually a steaming heap of misspelled gibberish, which is much the same the same as the rest of your posts today.

Jacksonville just signed their mediocre RFA safety ... I wonder whether Grilliams is going to have much opportunity for the inputs on who the Jags draft.

two and a half weeks to the draft.

only a couple of significant trades so far -- Kris Jenkins and DeAngelo Hall. so are we going to see any big trades, affecting the first round, before draft day? on draft day? most important, will any of these moves involve or directly affect the Skins?

you know, this wasn't such a lousy post from Jason La Canfora.

he's capable of much worse.

1st round - OL Brandon Albert
2nd round - DE Chris Ellis
3rd round - DT Dre Moore/DT Frank Okham
3rd round - WR Harry Douglas
5th round - CB Trae Williams
6th round - C/G/OT
7th round - C/G/OT
7th round - LB
7th round - LB

In the 1998 draft the 21st pick was Randy Moss whom Dennis Green snapped up for the Vikes. In past years we have had a terrible record in picking a Receiver with our 1st pick that didn't pan out eg. Desmond Howard (Gibbs's pick in 1991?).
Unless we are lucky and an obvious slip to 21 occurs we should trade down for more picks. I just hope we don't draft a QB at #1 or reach for someone who should fall to a lower round.
However, note that even Desmond Howard won a super bowl MVP as a returner with Green Bay and NOT as a receiver. So if Mathis's immaturity is fixable then he is worth the gamble at such a low price. Even Sean Taylor(rest in peace) was immature at first and finally snapped out of it. But it IS a risk just like every pick is. Mathis has upside that can be coached up even on special teams. Mathis set records at Hampton U. and was one of the fastest in the 2005 draft.

There is a live chat at ESPN.com with some scout. He said something about a DT ... didn't somebody say something about this guy here once?

"Colin (New orleans): Which 5-7th round pick will be an probowler in the next 5 years?

SportsNation Steve Muench: (4:22 PM ET ) This is more like it. I recently wrote something about Iowa State DT Athyba Rubin who projects as a fifth round pick. I think he is one of the real sleepers in this draft."

Frank, most people on this blog seem to think Albert will be gone by the time the Skins pick at #21.

I'm coming around to what some of the wise guys up here have been talking about ... and going for the best lineman available (O or D), whether its a guard or a tackle or an end or a d tackle ... and either trading up or trading down would be fine, as long as the pick we receive can be used in THIS draft. Those late round picks should all be safeties. Are there even any safeties other than Landry and Doughty on the roster? I liked the Cooley blog entry where he pegged Doughty as the upcoming star for upcoming season.

Vernon Fox is still under contract.

"...he is one of the real sleepers..."

Why would you want to pick up someone with such an obviously poor work ethic? At least go for a guy who can keep his eyes open!

"Vernon Fox is still under contract."

Maybe so, but what as? Defensive Pine-Rider?

3rd round - WR Harry Douglas

Frank, give me the stuff on this cat? How big, how fast?

Hmmm "Pine Rider"...

Sounds like some sort of (not very good) crime-fighting hero, doesn't it?

Maybe instead of a cool talking car he could have a nice rustic bench, or even a converted pew?

unregistered, i'm sorry i may have missed it, but who was your blog ID prior to today?

Frank, in addition to the fact that there is no way Albert falls below Carolina, I doubt Chris Ellis is there when we pick with our #2 and Dre Moore most definitely will not be there when we pick at #3. What you have done is create your "dream scenario," one that ignores backup QB and safety.

I don't know anything about douglas and okham though. what makes you think they'd be good picks for our skins?

I Am Legion

unregistered, i'm sorry i may have missed it, but who was your blog ID prior to today?

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 8, 2008 4:43 PM

It was registered.

Frank, to me Harry Douglas does not have the size we need at WR- 5'11'', 176.

Is Nate still throwing a temper tantrum because someone else is using the same name?

Run to Cindy and tell! RUN, I said!

well, there is the notion (touted by some on this blog) that Shawn Springs might eventually shift to safety. but obviously that can't happen when he's our #1 corner and nobody is clearly ready to replace him. especially with Carlos coming back from the injury.

D line, O line, secondary.

Posted by: zeitgeist | April 8, 2008 4:28 PM

Do you believe in everything you say? Some of my friends have become semi-radicals because of you.....

Run to Cindy and tell! RUN, I said!

Posted by: unregistered | April 8, 2008 4:45 PM

Walk, don't run, to the nearest exit. ALso, what would anyone tell Cindy? Or is it mostly about running to her? Registering a complaint maybe?

This team has spent way too many recent picks on the secondary. We need to concentrate elsewhere this time.

I just don't get people crying over someone who takes their blog name. Their BLOG NAME! Then try and use the ol' identity theft nonsense. Here's a news flash, if your blog handle is your identity, THEN YOU HAVE NO IDENTITY! You live in some sort of fantasy land. Your name that you sign on your checks or legal documents is your identity, not some damn blog handle.

Most of the people who are whinning about that ITA nonsense are people who post often and have gained "blog star" status here. They complain becuase now thats threatend. If anyone can still their "identity", then they will feel very, very small. They will get a hard backhand of reality, knowing that they don't matter and don't account for sh_t in the real world.

Here's how you solve the problem. Many of the regulars know or even hung out with La Canfora, right? I've seen many people have open conversations with Cindy, right? Well, go tell. Go and snitch and cry to them how this post registration BS is an outrage. Tell them that the moon is falling and acid is raining from the sky. Basically, tell em' is the end of life as we know it because someone stole your blog handles. Oh, excuse me, I meant identity.

Posted by: Are you F'ing Crying because someone stole your blog handle? | April 8, 2008 4:05 PM

A great post that hits the nail on the head (even if it hurts some feelings).

Signed,

Evan Wiltson (yes, this is my real name - feel free to use it when posting if you feel the need)

I fear Nate may have become unhinged.

unregistered at 4:45PM (the second one), I think you are using the anonymity of the internet to hide behind name. I think you might be "not unregistered".

No thanks to a 5'11 wide-out. Thats not what this team needs.

Evan Helpus.

Run to Cindy and tell! RUN, I said!

Posted by: unregistered | April 8, 2008 4:45 PM

Walk, don't run, to the nearest exit. ALso, what would anyone tell Cindy? Or is it mostly about running to her? Registering a complaint maybe?

Posted by: unregistered | April 8, 2008 4:48 PM

I think their point is that Nate and others are tattletails

Unregistered,

Maybe not a first rd. pick on DB, but we do need to pick one if we do not trade for one.

Is there two of you posting?

who farted? This blog stinks.

come to think of it, a lot of the "regulars" are MIA today.

is this a boycott? a blog-out?

I agree that the best guard available -- OG Branden Albert -- would be excellent value at #21. He could learn for a year and be the secondary backup guard behind Fabini.

Here is my Worst-Case-Scenario Mock, that assumes all the sexy 1st and 2nd rounders are gone and we can't trade down:

1)Kentwan Balmer (DT)
2)Trevor Law (DT)
3)Roy Schuening (OG)
3)Eddie Royal (WR)
5)Colt Brennan (QB)
6)Jamar Adams (S)
7)Mike McGlynn (OG/OT)
7)Chris Harrington (DE)
7)Vince Hall (LB)

Not specifically familiar with the players with the picks in rounds 5-7, but i like the positions and found their names in a couple of mocks for us. I await your criticism.

unregistered at 4:45PM (the second one), I think you are using the anonymity of the internet to hide behind name. I think you might be "not unregistered".

Posted by: unregistered | April 8, 2008 4:50 PM

B@st@rd stole my blog handle.

Is there two of you posting?

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2008 4:52 PM

You betray your own believes on this matter ... if you really thought there were/was more than one of me/us, you would have asked "Are there two of you posting?"

That said, the answer is obviously no, because someone is posting as unregistered who is really not unregistered.

beep beep new post

I don't understand the hate on Nate. He has a passion and runs with it. Cynics rule the blogs in america because they can be 'unregistered' and attack under a stealth identity.

This wouldn't happen in Japan. Respecet should be recognized regardless of what format you are interacting.

(Let the 4th bashing commence)

unregistered = Nate

I think that should be "AM there two of you posting?" Kursaal

siris, someone else asked this before, doesn't it seem like Albert's stock is rising so he might not still be on the board at #21? it's generally agreed he would be a great pick for us, if he's there.

talkshowhost,

Again, Eddie Royal does not have the size we need for a WR- 5'10" 184. There are several bigger WR this year and we do not need any more Moss/ARE size receivers.

Thanks, 4th, I appreciate it.

I agree that the best guard available -- OG Branden Albert -- would be excellent value at #21. He could learn for a year and be the secondary backup guard behind Fabini.

Posted by: Siris | April 8, 2008 4:53 PM

For the three interior lineman positions, there were only two backups on the roster at the start ... Pucillo and Fabini. Fabini is back to back up. The other backup guy needs to be able to back up Rabach (or, more likely, prepare to replace Kendall). Also, on Chris Cooley's blog, he said Fabini is one of the hairiest people he's ever seen.

beep beep

This is JLac's best blog in the last 2 weeks. This is what I'm talking about.

The Skins have a lot of flexibility here. If they don't get Albert, then they go for best available. They've done well with that philosophy (Laron Landry). WR can't prove themselves if they don't get on the field. We don't know if there is a gem in the 2nd or 3rd round or not. It depends on his development. I'm not as sold on Torrence as some are...I think he's a bit small but he's fast.

Again, CB's have to play to get better. Look at Rogers. You have to get baptized by fire to develop into a good corner. I also think Smoot is better than most give him credit for. He's a good #2

I'm still hoping to see what Mix has. How sorry can a 6'5", 230 lb. WR be??? (Dare I ask)

While this blog has always been great on both Offense and Defense, I've always been a great admirer of the special teams play...RI always brings it on special teams!

Everyone seems to be caught up on acquiring a big WR but this draft doesn't have any can't miss or even decent prospects at that position. Truthfully the skins should have signed Bryant Johnson. Harry Douglas may be on the small side but he has the ability to run good routes, quickness to create separation and he catches the ball.

What about giving up one of the 3rd rd picks to the Titains for Pacmac?

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