wow

They did pretty darn good getting young line talent last year with undrafted FAs

Great Moves! Ignore the Haters!

wtf is going on here??? Why a TE????

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

this is why everyone else in the league thinks we're a joke.....

great job danny boy!

wtf wheres the d-line

Bad day for Anthony Mix

west coast on the east coast...

What a joke. Should have taken Campbell at 48. No OL or DL taken in 3 picks. So Stupid.

BIG GRAVITY BONG!

Redskins suck, they blew it, we will never ge4t to a qb

Scouts, Inc.'s Gary Horton: They're obviously trying to load up on offensive weapons and use many formations. It has been the goal of the organization to put multiple receivers on the field, which opens up the run game. Now you have the current group of WRs, you have an athletic TE in Fred Davis. They should help in the passing game down field. You now open things up for Clinton Portis and you have the luxury of moving Chris Cooley all over the field as a Dallas Clark kind of guy. This potentially looks like an offense that's going to be very tough to matchup against. Their depth on the perimeter will take most defenses farther than they can go.

I think Vinny and Snyder should be forced to sell the team for the good of the team.

My guess is Calais Campbell is a Skin now if he doesn't go the pick before them. Think it's true with Merling also. Good picks if there really isn't second round talent on the lines. Still, I'm... well... Really?

Sounds to me that they are taking the top players on their board regardless of position. That is an encouraging sign.

Stunned....

Have to get away from the TV.

Can only hope they know what they're doing.

Here's the thing. If you are building a team for the long term, you aren't going to solve all of your problems in one year. The Skins needed a WR. Will Thomas pan out? Who knows. Will Kelly? Who knows. We got good value for both of them, and the odds are good that at least one of them will be good enough to let ARE move to the slot this year. Add Fred Davis to that, and Campbell has all the weapons he could ever want.

Now you hit the lines and defensive skill positions. Not all of that can be accomplished next year, but next year as well.

Better to take great value picks, or BPA, than to reach on some shady talent.

they get an F for this draft. What about our other needs. I was excited about having three second rounders, but this is mind boggling. No D line or O line????

This is absolutely pathetic! This is why we are a joke to everyone.

Nothing against Kelly and the USC TE, and I hope they end up being All Pro's, but we need D-Line and O-Line help BADLY, and this was a perfect opportunity.

Typical Skins move

How can people defend this.

This can not be real.

This is a freeking joke.

Does our coach get a veto.

2nd round fill a need unless something great comes along.

I think this was a clear case of best player available at each of the picks. Still kind of speechless we went all offense on the first day. I'm scared we didn't pick one linemen, D or O. Guess that's what day two is for.

I don't think we haven't drafted a DL on the 1st day of the draft since Kenard Lang!

and there goes groves too. how do you mess up such a promising trade?!?!?!

It's not likely that more than one of these guys pushes for a starting job this year, so really what we are getting is depth for now, insurance for Santana Moss, and a good looking future at WR/TE

wow...overkill is the word of the day.

this is ridiculous. you need to bolster both of your line as well as depth to the secondary and you add 2 wrs and a te.

apparently we're going to going to the ghost backfield alot this season.

Snerrato is and always will be a first class donkey. And I don't know what his man-crush fetish is with WRs. Wouldn't surprise me if I woke up tommorrow and read about how we've also traded our next 5 first round picks for Chad Johnson and then traded Laron Landry and Jason Campbell to Zona for Boldin, then went and picked up Chris Henry.

I guess coach Zorn is instilling a West Coast offense featuring 5-wideouts all the time LOL. This is ridiculous. Campbell I'm sure is drooling to throw to these guys but ummm I pray he'll have the time to do it Let's go into training camp with 10 wide receivers shall we? Hell let's draft Moe, Larry, and Curly in the later rounds. They may do a solid job on the lines.

Why take a TE like Davis? You realize how important a pass catching TE is in the wco? Well if cooley were to get hurt..they would be srewed...with both healthy creates serious match up problems which will be huge for both Davis and cooley...who will I might ad line up in the slot at times with davis at TE.

they should have taken campbell from miami instead of the TE from USC. Oh, well. In vinny we trust -- that's why I have no confidence in our front office.

should've gone campbell at 48, either the TE or WR at 51 would be fine then. but why no DE? why never a DE? ahhh!

I was ready to be Captain Benifit of the doubt guy....but wow this is beyond the tard pale....

SERIOUSLY WE PASSED ON CAMPBELL AND GROVES FOR USC BACKUP AND KELLY? SO WE ARE JUST GOING TO WHAT SCORE ON EVERY PLAY??? I AM SO AMAZINGLY UPSET AT THIS F.O. WE COULD HAVE SOLVED 3 PROBLEMS EASILY AND WE GO AND DO THIS CRAP! UNBELEIVEABLE

campbell was the pick but he was gone so they grabbed what they liked. they prob have a plan for 3rd rounder DE...maybe chris ellis?

we'll need all those receivers with about 0.5 secs protection to play with. maybe some of them can double up as DB's - or maybe even DL's??

is it too late to go back for #85?? what a joke...

not to worry

We have a plan.

(change formation rules - everyone can catch the ball in 2010)

Well....looks like we have become the Detroit Lions.....

I'm trying to be positive but how is Campbell going to get the football to all these weapons when he is on the ground - or the other team always has the ball due to our lack of defense.

I'm very confused.....

Now that I've seen what the trade has resulted in...I rather take Philip Merling at #21 and Malcolm Kelly at #52 than what we got.

bad miscalculation... guess they didn't think arizona was lookin at campbell? they shoulda picked him with 48 and then got either kelly or kelly with 51.

i almost wanted to believe in cerrato with the trade down, but i should have known better

Could there be a package they're trying to come up with? These guys for Chad? Hope not!

How is it possible we didn't get Campbell or Groves. Went right around our two picks. Even if they wanted to add another receiver - debatable, but decent hedge - the pick of Davis is just inexcusable when you have a pro bowler already there and just glaring needs all along the D Line. Campbell is 6'7" for crying out loud. How could we not go for him or Groves at 48 then if they were determined to get another receiver, take Kelly at 51. Pathetic.

"Pretty surprised they have neglected the lines entirely."

That is why you have the late round picks and Bugel.

I like the Kelly pick. He could have been a 1st rounder if the draft had broken a little differently. Now Moss, Kelly and Thomas will be on the field at the same time. IMO this will result in a ton of 5 receiver sets because of the Davis pick, which I hate. Most NFL teams that have run a version of the WCO have only needed one pass catching TE and Cooley is that TE.

The problem with this is that Clinton will HAVE to stay in to block for JC and this also puts a ton of pressure on old guys on the OL.

Part of me worries we're going to be seeing the Spurrier offense Part Deux with JC in the role of Patrick Ramsey and getting sacked 5 times a game because there's too many guys out on routes and the D just blitzes the Skins to death.

From ESPN Chat-

Scouts Inc Gary Horton-

They're obviously trying to load up on offensive weapons and use many formations. It's been the goal of the organisation to put multiple receivers on the field, which opens up the run game. Now you have the current group of WR's, you have an athletic TE in Fred Davis. They should help in the passing game downfield. You now open up things for Clinton Portis and you have the luxury of moving Chris Cooley all over the field as a Dallas Clark kind of guy. This potentially looks like an offense that's going to be very tough to match up against. Their depth on the perimeter will take most defenses farther than they can go.

You all shut the F up. I'm going to trade S Moss for a big O Line guy. You watch.

A disappointoing use of all that manuevering! To acquire 3 second picks and a 4th for a 1st & 3rd and then to turn around and draft 2-Wide receivers-astonishing!

which receiver just became expendable?

anyone think either kelly, thomas, or davis gets traded?

Um, yeah. Who is going to block long enough for Campbell to get the ball to these guys?

Matt Millen would be proud

this has been a great draft what we need to get to a qb and play deff if are o scores everytime with all the weapons we have now are off should be unstoppable

I can't believe that we are paying Moss, ARE, and Cooley and are now going to throw 2nd round money at Thomas, Kelly and Davis. I don't know who is taking bong hits and Scouts, Inc., but I don't see the Skins running 6 reciever formations.

It's still only the 2nd round. Let's wait until the full draft pans out before we tell Danny to sell the team

Drafting a lineman because you need a lineman is the quickest way to kill a franchise. You always take the best player available whatever the position.

Was I seeing things?

Or did Malcom Kelly roll his eyes and make a little crazy gesture with his finger to his temple when ESPN showed him as the pick was made?

plz rewind tivo and let me know I'm not crazy or that is definitely a bad sign!

Tough day for the Black & Maroon faithful.

wHERE'S THE 'OL BALL COACH WHEN YOU NEED HIM???

I understand u need a TE in WCO (gag) so backing up Cooley is key...BUT NOT IN THE SECOND ROUND!!!!!!!!!!!!

i hope zorn's offense runs a lot of 2TE, 4WR sets. otherwise, one of these picks or one of the contracts (moss, ARE, cooley) is going to waste.

(is that even possible?)

overall this has been a terrible day... terrible trade... terrible picks... terrible owner...terrible gm... just lost... bpa is fine but you cant neglect desperate needs.. dont get why we didnt take sweed... who i think is a better wr than both thomas ans kelly but whatever... we needed to take groves or calias campbell or something not wr... really lost..and angry and done with the skins for a little

Cannot believe we didnt grab any linemen!?!?!?! WTF??? That was the achilles heel over the last years - no pass rush and no pass protection. Spurrier proved that you cannot go anywhere without talent on the lines...

Im going to hold off on developing my ulcer until I hear those brainiacs explain themselves. Im sure it will be chalked full of cliches but damn. Just damn.

08 will be Tanamans last season in DC.

Fare thee well Tana!

Did anyone forget the young linemen drafted last season? Also does anyone remember we had some serious injuries last year on the o line and some were out and the backups who have resigned played pretty well....Why all of sudden is the O line such a big deal in the draft I dont see that...now dl yes...

Someone tell Snerrato that we can't run 11 wide receivers out onto the field. Someone please tell him quickly that the the game require us to actually field people at other positions besides WR.

Or did Malcom Kelly roll his eyes and make a little crazy gesture with his finger to his temple when ESPN showed him as the pick was made?

Posted by: Jah | April 26, 2008 8:13 PM

Funny, that was my reaction when I heard the pick too. Maybe Kelly realized being the 6th expected pass-catcher isn't exactly what he was looking for.

You'd have to think Mike Sellars won't be on the field much next season!

Everyone needs to calm down. It's painfully obvious that they just used those three 2nd rounder to put together a package for Chad Johnson.

And there goes Groves and Sweed who is a better WR Than Kelly!!! I can't believe this. Sad thing is, Jacksonville knows what they are doing, we don't. Groves was the guy. Huge drop off at DE from here!

The only positive that I can come up with it hopefully having both rookie WR - one of them will rise to the occasion rather than putting all of our eggs in one basket.

But thats the only silver lining I can come up with. If they don't find a way to snag the C Pollack from ASU i'll be pissed.

Big bodies to put out there who can take the punishment of the rule changes (force outs). We'll look like idiots if any of the OL or DL picks we missed in the 2nd crush us this season, but if none of them are spectacular, I'm happy with our starter on the lines...depth is still a concern. Maybe they'll address those needs tomorrow.

Anyone else think Steve Young needs to get out of the Draft conversation? Also, I am ashamed to admit I enjoyed Keyshawn's commentary.

Moss, Randle El, Thomas, Kelley, Cooley, Davis...Wow!

amazing what crack can do to some people... I wonder.. how do we throw to these clowns??? Samuels is almost done... Jansen.. lately his injuries have to be questioned... Campbell.. mobile to a small degree...

and Williams is no longer coaching the D... that leaves Bugel.. can he maintain the O Line to the level he was able to last year?? does the West Coast Offense allow for no protection??? okay Portis can block to a small level... when its required..

sorry... I could go on and on... seems to me... this draft is failing... Vinny and Dan... morons...

Football is all about the TRENCHES.... the line of scrimmage... both sides.... O and D...

Just say no to DRUGS..... apparently... VINNY and DAN have the water pipe blazing...... to bad... so sad....

Unreal, you guys are such haters! We were lucky to score 20 pts a game. Cant you see they are trying to put weapons around our young QB?!?! Besides our D was good last year, if you think about it, it was the O that lacked. This has the makings of a very potent offense. So we sourround our young QB and first year coach with playmakers and you all whine for Vinny's head. I don't get it.

-DayTrader

Granted, you could say we have a bunch of up and coming linemen, but we don't have enough. Our C is ancient, and we have nobody to replace him. Heyer needs another year to develop; coaches liked what they saw but he needs more work. Alexander is also quite good, but that leaves three more positions. On defense, Golston and Montgomery are good, Rocky needs some time to recover, and Blades needs some work. That still leaves DE. Daniels is ancient and must be replaced soon. I just don't understand it. Why do we need 5 WR and 3 TE?

Moss, ARE, Kelly, and Thomas running loose in the secondary.

That means Cooley will be covered by slow-ass LBs. Look for big points next year.

Chad Johnson is a Redskin.

I actually like the big TE pick for the aforementioned pass matchup reasons, but anyone who saw Cooley get blowed over in the Seattle playoff game last year should know that we could not trust him to seal the strong-side edge. A big TE will help us in the running game, no doubt, and his blocking ability will create a play action nightmare for defenses.

They are going to trade CS for me.

I will hit all the receivers in stride like in GB.

No truth to the rumor the skins are removing the D from their name.

Hey you guys have to be reminded what happened last year once Santana got hurt we really had no other WR's to step in and become a threat yes we do need O-line and D-line help and it's still quality guys out there and atleast we have guys over 6 feet tall i don't think they'll miss on D-line or O-line atleast the need @ WR is taking care of

Folks, recall it was reported that an executive from another NFC East team fell on the floor laughung when he heard that Vinnie was promoted to EVP of Football Operations. Well now the executives on the other 30 teams fell to the floor laughing. This clown did the impossible. He made Caaserly look like a genius. Remember fans this is the guy who fouled up the 49ers so badly they ran him out of town. No wonder Joe Gibbs walked away

I'm actually ok with it considering Moss and Randle El can't complete a season between the two of them.

But they better get some linemen O or D, and a DB with their remaining picks.

lotta crybabies up here

lotta crybabies up here

lotta crybabies up here

lotta crybabies up here

lotta crybabies up here

Yeah! Let's post this same article every five minutes on every thread for the rest of 2008!

Scouts, Inc.'s Gary Horton: They're obviously trying to load up on offensive weapons and use many formations. It has been the goal of the organization to put multiple receivers on the field, which opens up the run game. Now you have the current group of WRs, you have an athletic TE in Fred Davis. They should help in the passing game down field. You now open things up for Clinton Portis and you have the luxury of moving Chris Cooley all over the field as a Dallas Clark kind of guy. This potentially looks like an offense that's going to be very tough to matchup against. Their depth on the perimeter will take most defenses farther than they can go.

I don't have a problem with thomas or even kelly. Davis is a great TE, but don't we have a pro-bowler who we just gave 11 million to this season? I bet Blache is happy with all the D-line help he's gotten today.

One has to wonder what the hell is going into their thinking? There has to be something more to this. A trade (Kelly & Thomas) to the Bungles for Ocho Cinco perhaps? Totally disregarding the lines is unbelievable.

Andre Carter, Phillip Daniels, Jon Jansen, Randy Thomas, and Chris Samuels aren't getting any younger...

Wait, isnt JC's strength going deep and not the quick short passes? WTF are building on? Oh well, hopefully this disaster will finally get Vinny fired. Thats about the only silver lining I can find.

The Skins biggest problem over the past few years has been scoring points. The D has been pretty solid.

I'm not sure this was a "best player available" move, I'm more inclined to believe it's a "score some freakin' points" move... with a hint of desperation.

ESPN draft panel all agreed that the Skins were having a good draft. Steve Young said he'd come out of retirement to throw to these guys.

I hope they get Henderson from MD in Round 3, and some D-Line and O-Line depth!!

Some of you are the IDIOTS! Just because they DID NOT TAKE WHO YOU thought they should or who you wanted...The draft is a failure???? If you guys are so good at knowing this stuff why out of 32 NFL teams you are sitting home on this blog and not selecting or scouting? REST MY CASe!

Think about it this way...at least Snyder/Vinny are making a very solid commitment to Zorn by outfitting the personnel to favor the WCO.

Kind of shoots down that 1-year-and-Cowher theory that could have created some havoc for a 1st time coach facing a very tough early schedule.

Got to be something there right? Maybe?

Great pickups...oh, except that Kelly runs a 4.7-40. How is going to create separation?

How is Campbell going to get the ball to them when he's on his back? No O-line help, you kidding me? And the guy who said we did pretty well in FA with reserves, you can only bandage a leaky faucet for so long... eventually you need cornerstones.

No Phillips Daniels replacement?

Add yet another screw up to our tally.

These picks scream the inclination that Cerrato doesn't trust his own evaluation and drafting ability. 3 pass catchers in the 2nd round? On top of 3 already proven pass-catchers on the roster? What's his vision with these picks? He clearly didn't trust his Thomas pick and hopes that adding two more pass catchers will even things out, hoping that one will eventually succeed.

"Everyone needs to calm down. It's painfully obvious that they just used those three 2nd rounder to put together a package for Chad Johnson."

Is the thought of bringing in Chad Johnson supposed to make me calm?

??

Our motto for next year: There's no D in Washington.

Did our O line (Samuels, Thomas, Jansen, etc) die in some plane crash that I didnt hear about? Were Andre Carter, Griffin, MOntgomery and Golston on the same plane? Did our defense stink last year? Were we a crappy runinng team last season?

You guys act like our O and D line didn't get us to the playoffs last year. You guys act like we didn't pick up a future starter in Heyer, after the draft.

D-linemen are the riskiest, most likely to be a bust after the 1st 10-15 picks, group in the draft. Most dominant D linemen are either studs like Dorsey or come out of nowhere. Plus they ALWAYS take several season to develop, esp. DT's.

Learn some actual football.

i am officially done with this team.

We really needed linemen and let me point out that other than K.Lang in 1997 we haven't drafted a DE since Charles Mann in 1984-24 YEARS!

With Santana Moss, and A. Randle-El, I expect that if both are kept on the team-they are going to play this guys right on the bench-How many F***in' receivers do you need?

This is yet another example of all of the coaching changes and Snyder's trying to "help the new guy" by choosing 2 needless receivers that he believes the new coach would like. If it's not Receivers, it's Safeties. We needed a guard or tackle and/or a defensive end to come out of these second rounders-sickening that Quentin Groves is selected with next pick after Malcolm Kelly and wait, didn't this guy throw a future "Chad Owens" it's not my fault" fit about his forty time-GREAT! A DIVA IN TRAINING AND WOW HE'S NOT 'ALL THAT' EITHER-I'M NOT IMPRESSED BY THE WHAT I SEE ON TAPE!

Did our O line (Samuels, Thomas, Jansen, etc) die in some plane crash that I didnt hear about? Were Andre Carter, Griffin, MOntgomery and Golston on the same plane? Did our defense stink last year? Were we a crappy runinng team last season?

You guys act like our O and D line didn't get us to the playoffs last year. You guys act like we didn't pick up a future starter in Heyer, after the draft.

D-linemen are the riskiest, most likely to be a bust after the 1st 10-15 picks, group in the draft. Most dominant D linemen are either studs like Dorsey or come out of nowhere. Plus they ALWAYS take several season to develop, esp. DT's.

Learn some actual football.

Ha Ha Ha Ha

You morons defended me after coaching gate.

Now go spend me out of trouble at Six Flags.

Ops I just dropped my soap would you be kind enough to get it for me.

HAAAAAHaaaaahaaaahaaaa

i'd rather have the guys we drafted than trade for ocho. he said he is gonna make a movie with clooney instead of playing this year. a much better version of brandon lloyd

OK...let me try to play Redskins GM and get inside their little brains for a second. Kiper had Thomas and Kelly both going in the first round - Thomas as high as #11. Davis is obviously a talent. The top OL prospects were gone fast. The skins were not sold on either Merling or Campbell high in the draft. The draft didn't work out as planned where talent and need came together. They went for the best players available at the time regardless of position. Now we have all sorts of options to create mismatches. Also remember that Jansen and Thomas are returning and Heyer was developed. Golston and Montgomery developed nicely.... We now have tons of talent at the skill positions. SNAP!!!!!!!!! Vinny!!!!!!! Games are won or lost UP FRONT - you IDIOT!!!!!!

SNYDERATTO BONG!!!!!

Some of you are the IDIOTS! Just because they DID NOT TAKE WHO YOU thought they should or who you wanted...The draft is a failure???? If you guys are so good at knowing this stuff why out of 32 NFL teams you are sitting home on this blog and not selecting or scouting? REST MY CASe!

Posted by: Leevi98 | April 26, 2008 8:21 PM

lighten up, boy.

OK...let me try to play Redskins GM and get inside their little brains for a second. Kiper had Thomas and Kelly both going in the first round - Thomas as high as #11. Davis is obviously a talent. The top OL prospects were gone fast. The skins were not sold on either Merling or Campbell high in the draft. The draft didn't work out as planned where talent and need came together. They went for the best players available at the time regardless of position. Now we have all sorts of options to create mismatches. Also remember that Jansen and Thomas are returning and Heyer was developed. Golston and Montgomery developed nicely.... We now have tons of talent at the skill positions. SNAP!!!!!!!!! Vinny!!!!!!! Games are won or lost UP FRONT - you IDIOT!!!!!!

Did our O line (Samuels, Thomas, Jansen, etc) die in some plane crash that I didnt hear about? Were Andre Carter, Griffin, MOntgomery and Golston on the same plane? Did our defense stink last year? Were we a crappy runinng team last season?

You guys act like our O and D line didn't get us to the playoffs last year. You guys act like we didn't pick up a future starter in Heyer, after the draft.

D-linemen are the riskiest, most likely to be a bust after the 1st 10-15 picks, group in the draft. Most dominant D linemen are either studs like Dorsey or come out of nowhere. Plus they ALWAYS take several season to develop, esp. DT's.

Learn some actual football.

How does one fire an owner? This was inconceivably stupid. Until Li'l Danny sells the team or hires a professional GM, this team is going nowhere. Sad.

OK...let me try to play Redskins GM and get inside their little brains for a second. Kiper had Thomas and Kelly both going in the first round - Thomas as high as #11. Davis is obviously a talent. The top OL prospects were gone fast. The skins were not sold on either Merling or Campbell high in the draft. The draft didn't work out as planned where talent and need came together. They went for the best players available at the time regardless of position. Now we have all sorts of options to create mismatches. Also remember that Jansen and Thomas are returning and Heyer was developed. Golston and Montgomery developed nicely.... We now have tons of talent at the skill positions. SNAP!!!!!!!!! Vinny!!!!!!! Games are won or lost UP FRONT - you IDIOT!!!!!!

OK...let me try to play Redskins GM and get inside their little brains for a second. Kiper had Thomas and Kelly both going in the first round - Thomas as high as #11. Davis is obviously a talent. The top OL prospects were gone fast. The skins were not sold on either Merling or Campbell high in the draft. The draft didn't work out as planned where talent and need came together. They went for the best players available at the time regardless of position. Now we have all sorts of options to create mismatches. Also remember that Jansen and Thomas are returning and Heyer was developed. Golston and Montgomery developed nicely.... We now have tons of talent at the skill positions. SNAP!!!!!!!!! Vinny!!!!!!! Games are won or lost UP FRONT - you IDIOT!!!!!!

??

I guess everyone has forgotten about having to sign Caldwell & McCardell as FAs and the total lack of production out of Thrash. And having to sign Kozlowski every year because of a lack of dept at TE. This makes sense. They can address needs on both lines in 3rd and 4th rounds.

The crazy thing is, Campbell's worse throw is the intermediate route, a staple of the West Coast. Hope Zorn can couch up some more accuracy.

Cue Vinny: Let's do RB and QB next.

except that Kelly runs a 4.7-40

Care to guess what Anquan Boldin ran for a 40 time?

All you haters are killing me. The late rounds are where you get depth for the lines. The obviously are getting Campbell the weapons he needs. Looks like Thrash is gone replaced by Mix.

All you haters are killing me. The late rounds are where you get depth for the lines. The obviously are getting Campbell the weapons he needs. Looks like Thrash is gone replaced by Mix.

Like Vinnmaster, I have turned off the draft and now have my feet up.

What's the hoopla all about? We still have 6 more picks to go. And it's not like there are a lot of blue chip linemen left after that first round.

Has anyone thought of this? With the current WR's that we have just drafted, that this could be the signs of trading Moss, or ARE? Moss has been injured a lot lately, and in the GB game he just quit playing. I am thinking that we are closer to trading he and possibly Betts for a DE?

What is everyones thought on this?

Well, I just watche their press conference and they actually seemed to know what they were doing. They entered the draft expecting to simply draft according to their "board", which means simply pick the next highest rated player no matter what. And they did. I don't know that I agree with it, but I DO know that there are many other organizations that do the exact same thing, looking for the best "VALUE" at each pick no matter the position.

Hope it works out

Ah WTF

They told be draft day was next week.

I went to all the meetings for nothing.

I will use my veto on the 4th rounder.

Not sure I like these picks either but ask yourselves this question; Were any of the DL/OL picks available better than the young linemen the Skins currently have on their roster? If not, why waste a pick?

I'm just going to drink heavily and may sober up for the next draft. The D line is ageing on the ends and the O line just can't stay healthy. Doesn't matter how many big WR's or TE's we have if JC is on his back.

Way to go Danny! You have a 10 yr anniversary coming and nothing to show for it. To bad you didn't run your business this way, if you had we wouldn't have to worry about you being the owner of the Skins.

You people are killing me. You're missing the point that we just got 3 1st round caliber guys in the second round. If they take a bunch of offensive guys tomorrow then start b-and-moaning. But this looks good.

Does this mean the end of Thrash and Sellers?

Redskins are the new Matt Millen. I'll take a Wr, a Wr, TE, let me get another Wr, Wr & a Wr.

Bewildering. Individually, any of the three receivers seem like excellent second round picks. You could even justify taking two receivers. But three?

UNLESS a trade was already in place, say the skins took Davis or Kelly for another team while details of a trade were being worked out, it is--well--amateurish.

The skins probably got outmaneuvered with C. Campbell going before their pick and didn't have a backup plan.

Now they got NO CB help... with Rodgers hurt...

NO LB helo with their old and battered guys there...

NO DE help with ancient Daniels..

NO OL help with Jansen and Co aging badly...

And don't tell me the FO Bozos that blew the first day's drafting will fix things on day two.

The GOOD news is the skins should do well in pre-season 7 on 7 passing drills.

Despite many of you griping, we all can't wait for training camp. The Wizards are good, the Caps play hard, the Nats are our long awaited MLB team, but the Redskins rip your heart out every year, and then your back the next fall, jumping out of the chair when Campbell throws deep.
I'm excited about 2008.

Anybody defending not drafting a OL or DL needs to take a look at the following:

RT-Jansen, AGE: 32
RG-Thomas, AGE: 32
C-Rabach, AGE: 30
LG-Kendall AGE: 34
LT-Samuels AGE: 30

Backups: Kevin Sampson, Heyer, DeMulling, Wade and Ross Tucker.

The Redskins DL only had 1 sack more than Andre Carter did by himself. Carter had 10.5 sacks and the rest of the DL had 11.5 sacks. Other than Carter, the Redskins DL is a pass rushing disaster.

I think the Skins actually filled a very key need...they need to start scoring points!

The D has carried this team for the past few years, so if they put together an offense that can actually control the clock a little more that will net them a few extra games (remember all the blown halftime leads, courtesy of an ineffective offense getting shut out in the 2nd halves?).

I do think JC may have to take more responsibility for making his own plays this year, because the O-line is a big question mark. He'll need to be quicker (like we saw with the Toddster).

This would be a GREAT spot for us to package our 3rd (84) and maybe one of spare linemen that must be stashed on the practice squad for another #2
...Maningham is still on the board! Hope the FO is working the phones hard right now!

Hey BigRich -

Did we not break the bank for a TE already? Do we not have a pair of $10 million receivers already under contract? Are we really going to run a 6 receiver set? Do we have a starter on our O-line that is under 30 years of age? Did our young prospect at CB not shatter his knee last year? Do we have anyone besides Carter who can generate a sack by themselves on our D-line?

Todd-please tell me, show me how the Redskins NEEDED A RECEIVER!?!?!?

DID YOU NOT SEE THE LAST FEW GAMES-HOW IS CAMPBELL GOING TO THROW FLAT ON HIS A**!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!?
HOW? Rabach was exposed right along with the rest of the interior line

What is this NEEDED A RECEIVER B.S.!!!!!!!!
More than a guard? a stud defensive end-Again, we have drated 3 DE in 25 years (Lang, Mann, Manley) the last of which happened 11 years ago!!!!!!!

And we need, we just need, we just have to have 2 F***** RECEIVERS?!?!?

to those who beleive we NEED receivers-that somehow the problem to what ailed the Redskins were the Receivers Moss, and Randle-El and not the sorry-ass O-line...

Please kill yourselves...

How does one fire an owner? Until Li'l Danny sells we will be watching a comedy routine every draft day. The Skins needed DL and OL and DB help in a big way and Li'l Danny and his faithful sidekick Vinnie draft WR TE WR? This is beyond stupid; it's sad.

ross tucker isnt even on the team. quit the cut and paste nonsense.

I'm ok with 2 pass catchers, but 3? If the o-line can protect this year, the O will be alot of fun to watch. The skins lost in the playoffs because they lost the battle in the trenches on both sides of the ball. They've got to improve there.
Also, the skins are woefully thin at cb with stone hands out til mid season or so.

i didn't think we had bad receivers last year considering all the injuries, but this is just a mess, they did the right thing by trading down and they still managed to blow it...typical

Hmmm...

Ballmer was there @ 21. I guess there's no need for help on the line?

Hmmm...

Ballmer was there @ 21. I guess there's no need for help on the line?

Yeah...I bet Santana Moss won't drop any balls this year!

We have some real weapons now!

I think they don't want to reach for guys they have targeted for specific points in the draft. They probably have some linemen targeted for the other rounds.

Has anyone thought of this? With the current WR's that we have just drafted, that this could be the signs of trading Moss, or ARE? Moss has been injured a lot lately, and in the GB game he just quit playing. I am thinking that we are closer to trading he and possibly Betts for a DE?

What is everyones thought on this?

Posted by: pstylee | April 26, 2008 8:27 PM

That is simply ridiculous!!! Dan loves Santana - even went to his wedding - and likes Randle El.....

i didn't think we had bad receivers last year considering all the injuries, but this is just a mess, they did the right thing by trading down and they still managed to blow it...typical

I love Thomas and Kelly, got both at a very reasonable price. But Fred Davis? Is there a possibility of trading him?

Also heard rumors rumbling about us trading ARE which after June 1st may be possible.

we better keep betts, he's better than portis

The picks definitely sound pretty good,
with the exception of TE Fred Davis,
not sure how this figures in the equation.
Looks like the youngsters, Chris Wilson,
Lorenzo Alexander & Alex Buzbee are
up & coming. Keep the faith. You have
nowhere else to go!

when are we gonna start drafting running backs? I heard some good ones have slipped. oh brother...

Also heard rumors rumbling about us trading ARE which after June 1st may be possible.

Posted by: Chris | April 26, 2008 8:36 PM

What trade value would ARE have at this point in his career???

ARE is not worth much since he's a #2/3. Moss is very good and might get you something but are you sure you want to give up your best proven receiver?

I realize the Dan loves the 1999 Rams.

A couple problems:
1. The Skins don't play in a dome.
2. Campbell didn't cut his teeth in the arena league.

Maybe if the NFL becomes a true passing league where there are only 5 players on each side of the line of scrimmage . . . then maybe.

Until then the top need that the Skins have will remain a GM. I have no problem with trading a first rounder for a couple second rounders and a third rounder -- the actual picks though priority though seems better suited to a team playing in a dome and field turf 8 games out of the year, rather than one competing in the NFC East.

I think this is the same way i would feel if my girlfriend cheated on me or my best friend betrayed me

here come the betts is better than portis morons

I totally understand all of the moves today. All the quality OL were gone in the 1st round. The DEs we late 2nd round/3rd rounders. All the quality CBs were gone in the 1st round. It was a value issue today people. Too much value was left on the board when we picked today and thats why we pulled the trigger the way we did. Calais Campbell is skinny and slow. Today was a good day and now our west coast offense is set.

THe redskins are dumb azz!!!! again... they had a chance to get DE Campbell and F'-ed it up!!!!!!!!!!! F the skins!!!!!!!!!!!!!

anyone who defends these picks knows NOTHING about football. you win games up front, not at skill positions. snyder and cerrato need to go elope in europe and never come back. they are ruining this franchise. F them.

"I think the Skins actually filled a very key need...they need to start scoring points!"

There's a difference between filling a need and unnecessarily loading up on depth in round 2 of the draft. So we now have 4 WRs, 2 TEs, and 2 RBs that all have starting-caliber pedigree (maybe not right away, but 2nd rounders SHOULD eventually be there for you). And that's not including the projects like Mix and newly signed Jerome Mathis. I have no idea how the ball is supposed to be spread to all these guys. We better hope Jansen, Thomas, and the 30 year-old club can stay healthy to allow JC to even give these guys a shot.

One of the centers that JLC claimed we liked was just taken by the Colts (Pollak).

For what its worth from SI.com. Really don't mind taking the best available for a change (picking Rodgers for need over Merriman a few years back was no fun)...just hope they find some big ugly gems tomorrow.

"The Redskins continue their terrific draft by picking up another prospect that carried a first round grade for most of the season. Malcolm Kelly adds size, playmaking and toughness to the Redskins, and gives Jim Zorn all the ingredients to implement more four-receiver sets next season. Much has been made of Kelly's speed deficiencies, but he is an ideal slot receiver in the Redskins' zebra and eagle packages."

Idiots, The bloggers are, We got 3 first round players in the 2nd round. We have a good defense. We can sill get the lines taken care of. We have 6 more picks. Regardless of the picks you would of still found are reason to whine. Redskin fans are the worst. Never happy. We can win the Super bowl and you find something to cry about. B@#$%es

Oh and Fred Davis reminds me of Algae Crumpler and he was a great catch at 48.

How about seeing the forest for the trees, folks? Can you say "youth movement"? Say goodbye to Thrash and Santana in two years.
I actually think it's a great draft. Sure, I'd like a lineman or two. But we got Dock in R3. You never know.

I'd like a safety or CB in R4

My priority for the Redskins is to draft bust.

1) Well, at least we didn't get stuck with Cialis. He can be yet another DL washout for the Cardinals.
2) All these new wide receivers look like the perfect situation for the uncapped year in 2010. The new guys will be ready to take over and Moss and Randle El can hit the road.
3) Bye James Thrash and Keenan McCardell. Thanks for your years of dedication.
4) Maybe the Sunday Draft plan is for QB, defense and O-Line only.

I bet we keep Moss ARE Thomas Kelly Thrash and Mix. cooley yoder and davis. THat is a lot of weapons for jason. i like the picks even though i was surprised at first. the rest of the draft will be d and o line corners ect. we have a great oline now can address that in next years draft. we had great dline selections in the late rounds last year so dont worry about that all you haters have a little trust in your team and save the criticism for when you have a reason to criticize like on the field play. what if santana goes out with an injury for the year? this draft wont look as crazy right? chill out and stop hating go skins

Onnie hit the nail right on the head. This was about drafting the best talent with the picks that they had.

They are building for not just next year, but the future. Regardless of what position they pick, the odds are that those picks won't make much of an impact the first year. So go out and get the best talent available.

This is a GREAT draft!!!! Before you've had ARE, Moss, and Cooley. Pretty easy to stop. Now you've added 3 young, very good weapons!!! Yes they need line depth but they need weapons more!!

You have got to be freaking kidding me.

WR, TE, WR.

I repeat: WR, TE, WR.

Great. That is absolutely great. Thanks for restoring my faith, front office. Why did I ever doubt you?

-Nate in the PDX

Go Lions! I mean Redskins. Got confused for a second.

Some of ya'll are probably die hard fans...but not football knowleageable at all!!! Now we did mess up not picking Campbell or Groves at 48...but if either Kelly or Thomas pan out this year...imagine Moss and El in the slot...or even Cooley and El in the slot! Yeah, chew on that! And there are plenty of DE's just as good as those two left in the 3rd round...and why in h-e-double hockey sticks would we draft a Rb??? Idiots!

Leevi98- ...pretty galling-asking why all the fuss over the O-line- didn't you watch the draft today-didn't you see the rest of the NFL make drafting O and D linemen the PRIORITY OF THE DAY!!!

I've commented on some of your posts before, but I'm going to stop-You obviously watch, but don't KNOW football.

To all the super-optimists who believe Bugel can make wine out of water with undrafted free-agents, blah, blah, blah-Again I implore you to pay close attention to how teams drafted today...didn't a bunch of O-linemen get taken???
...in the 1st round...and the second...

Only "Dan Cerrato" and some of the know-nothings posting today would believe that it's a waste of time, energy and pick to select linemen early.

But wait, weren't C.Samuels and J. Jansen, 1st and 2nd rounders, respectively?

Looks like SOMEBODY got the memo about draft a receiver ... or maybe several people got that memo.

I think this is the same way i would feel if my girlfriend cheated on me or my best friend betrayed me

Posted by: PISSED OFF | April 26, 2008 8:39 PM

Actually, this draft feels worse than finding your wife cheating with your best friend.

what if santana goes out with an injury for the year? this draft wont look as crazy right? chill out and stop hating go skins

Posted by: Ty | April 26, 2008 8:45 PM

Same thing can be said for o-line, d-line, LB, S, CB, etc. WR is probably the last position that you need to worry about depth issues, maybe other than RB. Teams continually show well with less-than-stellar players at those positions. That's generally not able to be said about the o-line and d-line. But I guess it's a good thing we're overloaded at those positions.

Surpise pick by the Cowpukes.

This Kelly pick has me fuming.

We could have taken the best available D lineman. Or O lineman. Or corner. Or safety. Hell, we could have taken the best freakin' available punter. Positions of NEED.

Good grief.

-Nate in the PDX

The only thing worse than this would be if I wake up tomorrow to learn that we packaged our draft picks to get Ocho Stinko

You tell em Leevi98!
Alright, you can take me out of your mouth now.

....

WR, TE, WR.

I repeat: WR, TE, WR.

-Nate in the PDX

At Johnny Rocket's, we do it all for you, Nate.

all the best OL picks were gone before we drafted. the only way i am pissed about this draft is if merling turns out to be a sober jared allen.

Snyder: Stop Meddling. Please hire a real GM. Or else please SELL the team.

hey, we can still pick early doucet

Vinnie and Zorn are saying they would have taken Thomas at 21 if Atlanta didn't offer to trade.

People stop panicing...The team has six picks left. They may not have picked Defensive help in the first 3 picks but who is to say they won't tomorrow.

Dude..you guys are to uptight about this sh*t. It is just football damn chill the hell out!

Ok, I understand taking the 2 receivers (Kelly, Thomas) But the TE Davis was terrible. We should have used that pick on Groves the DE from Auburn or Campbell the DE from Miami. Another screwed up draft.

hey Skip, why are you on this blog if you don't care?

first off to call a WR a skill position is ludacris. Obviously you have never played Football and are one of those Madden heads who score a lot of points and think you know everything about Football.

My rational to trading Moss is this...trade a guy who is still worth something, and a big salary cap hit, for a younger DE or OLmen, someone that would not be such a big hit on the cap, and you can develop in situational defenses.

Has everyone forgotten about the way that Wilson and Evans played at the end of the season. Plus next years DL is much deeper in the draft than this one.

Overall I am just waiting for the season to start and see how it all pans out. I do like the addition of Thomas and Davis, but Kelly? Im not too sure of. But that is why we are all fans and not in the FO.

If you think you can do a better job than hey buy the team and implement your ways.

Big Rich-YOU learn some football-where is the proof of your statement?

So... we're reduced to hoping for late-round or UFA gems like Monty, Goldstone, Lorenzo and Heyer to serve as our O line and D line depth? Fantastic. That's a great plan for the future!

Hey, Vinnie! I do not approve of your work so far today!

Ugh. Beer me.

-Nate in the PDX

3rd Round Pick:

Josh Johnson QB U. San Diego

The NFL is situational football and about matchups. While it might have been nice to snag a stud lineman - either D or O - I can live with the draft so far. Consider the difficulty that the Skins have had in red zone sets the last couple of years with no size at WR and only one receiving threat at TE. Now, give me a two tight end set with two wides in the red zone with Cooley, Davis, Thomas and Kelly - the shortest at 6'1" and lightest at 215 and I think the Skins can start to dictate to defenses as opposed to the way it has been over the past couple of years. Especially with CP, Betts and Sellers coming out of the backfield to provide a running threat and balance. Also, the defense has been worn down at the end of games because of the inability of the offense to consistently control the ball and the clock when it needed to. It just might be that a more prolific offense keeps the defense fresher and more stout at the end of games. Thumb and one-half up for the draft so far.

vinny is an idiot. we don't need 2 wr's and a tE. cooley is already there. we need defensive help!!!!

Bumbling Idiots

Scared the G'ints into reaching for a CB...

Danny's checking Madden 2009 beta right now to see how this is gonna work out for him

Does anyone know how the fans reacted to the picks at the draft party?

Are they burning photos of Vinny yet?

Hey anonomous Ahole,

I do care it have like some of the positive entries I have read. Its that some of you guys are just plain pathetic in your post. Get a life and stop whinnig about this sh*t.

fedex is ablaze

And Mike Pollak goes to the Colts near the end of the 2nd. Unbeleivable. Why pick the best center in the draft and an immediate backup to an aging offensive line when you can draft a #4 receiver.

Well done.

Malcom Kelly coming up on espnews

I do not get the Davis pick at all.

Not at all.

A possession receiving tight end? Nice to have but it's about 87th on the list of things needed.

Make that 187th.

Danny likes his toys. And his toy now is a throw it around the field, Wow-lookit-that!!-passing game.

Blocking and tackling? Who needs it.

People, calm down!

They are stockpiling talent for the future. This is what successful teams do. The odds of them picking a DE or OL or CB or Safety guy that makes a difference next year are very slim.

Don't be so 'instant gratification'.

Jamaal mother-freaking Charles at #84 tomorrow!

C'mon...whose with me???

Let's just hope we can outscore our opponents by 100 points now. IF the skins don't draft another WR or TE the rest of this draft, then I'll feel better, but who knows. At least the initial terror of seeing a TE and 2nd WR announced has worn off slightly. I do like the idea of having three ew weapons that are 6'2"+

Relax, Skip. This is the perfect time to vent, in that happy interval when the news is incomplete (lots of picks left to come).

Sure, we'll know more about these dudes (and the offense as a whole) after minicamp and training camp, and we'll know a LOT more three years down the line. But RIGHT NOW, at this very moment, all we have is the fact of those three picks.

F those three picks.

-Nate in the PDX

Danny now has the best fantasy team on his block. So there.

Davis, Kelly Wrap Up Redskins' First Day
By Gary Fitzgerald
Redskins.com
April 26, 2008

The Redskins selected USC tight end Fred Davis with the second of their three second-round draft picks on Saturday.
Davis, 6-3 and 247 pounds, was a solid pass-catcher for the Trojans.

In four seasons, he started 28 contests and caught 117 passes for 1,408 yards and 13 touchdowns.

He had his most productive season as a senior, catching 62 passes for 881 yards and eight TDs.

For his efforts, he was USC's first All-American first-team tight end since 1974. He also won the Mackey Award as the college's top tight end.

The Skins only need backups this year. They still have six second day picks and they plan to sign 12 undrafted FAs. Hopefully that is enough players to fill their primary remaining needs at S, OL, DL, and QB. And if not, then there are always future FA and trade possibilities...

You don't build for the future by reaching for players. This is a good draft, as long as they keep on picking the BPA they'll have more options in the future.

The only player I would love drafted on day 2, that doesn't play defense or O-line is Owen Schmitt from West Virginia. We do have a need for a true fullback and this guy is absolute insanity.

I really don't think this is a bad thing. I am not as confident as many of you seem to be that either C. Campbell or Groves would have been able to "make a difference" this year. There aren't any other linemen worth a second round pick. Once Miami took Merling, our draft was ruined as far as being able to fill spedific needs. The trade was a good trade, a risky trade, but a good one. Ultimately, we need better luck with who falls to us and then do ANOTHER good job with UFAs and all will be fine.

I will stay positive even though my first reaction was exactly what most have posted here.

It is still a good day

many of us just cannot understand why so many people continue to support such a poor product but every offseason we hold out hope that Snyder will step back and things will get better. I gave up my season tix a few years ago and am ecstatic that tivo exists so I don't waste my Fall Sundays and hard earned $ any more. boycott this lunacy so they hear the message.

Look at it this way, at least the Caps start up in October. Skins should be done by then.

outstanding picks It opens up the playing field for the running game we might not stop anybody but we sure outscore them

Um....Uh...
So they went WR, TE, WR.
Well then.
My moniker is quite safe.

- .250

Can't wait to see them try to justify this debacle

F-U Cooley... and the rest of you recievers who help Moss out last year...F-U too. WR,TE,WR... Just start JC in a suit of armor because he won't make it 3 weeks next year.

What happened to all the talk "...were going to do what's best for the Redskins" NOT were just going to take the next highest rated player. F- the Redskins too.

These picks kick ass! Thomas and Kelly are 1st round receivers that are tall and big.

Midgets Moss and Randle el are yesterday's news. Moss can't stay healthy and RE is so-so.

Davis can team with Cooley as a dual TE threat in certain formations. We can pick up depth at OL and DL in the 3rd through 7th.

I think LPD and Vinny finally have done a good job.

Malcom says he's happy to be a Redskin....we'll see.

Let's not get carried away here.. there more I think about it, the more I like the picks.. b/c

do you remember we went almost 1/2 the season without a WR catching a TD?

last year..

Moss had 3 TD's
ARE had 1 TD
B Loyd 0 TD
Reche Caldwell 0 TD
J Thrash 2 TD
K McCardell 1 TD

pretty pathetic
the lines weren't our problem last year - the receiving core was.

not to mention we didn't have a reliable back up for cooley

This is my first day commenting here....

What a bunch of crybabies! (people who post intelligent comments excluded, of course)

we didn't draft cialiscampbell cause he doesn't get up for games. quit crying. will be nice if this pans out and we have an offense that can put games away with 30-40 points on the board every week

WHY IS EVERYONE WHINING?!?! I DONT GET IT! WE ADDED 3 PLAYMAYKERS TO A TEAM THAT STRUGGLED TO SCORE 20 PTS A GAME. WE WILL BE VERY HARD TO MATCH UP AGAINST. 6 PICKS TOMORROW, 5 WILL BE ON DEFENSE. U GUYS SHOULD RESERVE JUDGEMENT TILL TOMORROW.

-DAYTRADER

not impressed with the three choices, we missed many more pressing needs to take flyers on some suspect kids. just goes to show there is really nobody with football smarts running this organization. snyder is CEI (chief executive idiot), cerrato is just stealing paychecks and zorn is in so far out of his league as a head coach. terrible leadership and average talent will equal a 5-11 year with 0-6 in the east. we suck

Lots o complaining about picking a TE. I like Yoder but we're a bit thin there. Dallas just traded one-half of their double-TE threat to Miami. They might have been looking to pick up a BAMF like Davis to set up a Witten/Davis attack. Instead, it's Cooley/Davis. Not too shabby.

But some support on both lines would be nice tomorrow.

Actually I like these picks. Oh course I would have loved to see them address some of their more pressing needs like DL and depth on the OL, at S or LB. But honestly, I think they got the best players avaiable on their draft board. Plus Merling was picked a couple of picks before our first pick in the second round and Campbell was selected one pick before Kelly (I sure they would have got Campbell if he was not snatched up the pick before).

Historically the Redskins have done a decent job of selecting players in the first two rounds. Champ and Jon Jansen in 1999, LaVar and Chris Samuels in 2000, Fred Smoot in 2001, Ladell Betts in 2002, Derrick Dockery in 2003 (third round), Sean Taylor and Cooley (third round) in 2004 and J Campbell and Carlos in 2005 (even through the jury still out on these two), then McIntosh in 2006 and Landry in 2007. So hopefully at least one or two of these new players pan out.

As much as I love my man Santana, he has had a history of injuries, and he is really a second WR. ARE is a great slot especially for the West Coast. And Cooley can be moved around. Thomas and/or Kelly gives us a legitimate possession reciever and Davis gives us a second option at TE.

Honestly I personally didn't like Merling, Calis Cambpell at 21 in the 1st round, and we selected both Thomas and Kelly in the second round, so taking them at 21 wouldn't make sense (although many would say neither would taking both).

I think it is also important to note that we have 6 more picks one in the third and one in the fourth (we picked up Dockery who was solid in in the third and Cooley in the third, who is a Pro-Bowler). So we can address DL and DB in the third and fourth rounds.

Also you have to be carefully in judging draft class prematurely. Two years from now we could be saying that this was a total wasteful draft, or we could be saying that this was one of the best draft classes the Redskins have had in recent years. You never really know! At least they didn't trade them all.

I'm going with what the experts say, versus those people bashing the picks on this blog.

Moss, Randle El, Thomas, Kelly, Mix.
That's 5 WR's. It's good. 5 is the way to go in the WCO.

I really like how Kelly pronounces balls in his country accent. "I'm gonna be catchin' a lot of bowels next year."

I think its time JLC gets fired.
First its great, now its overkill.
Can the Skins do anything right for you?

I felt we should have traded UP to get Gohlston or Dorsey.
Since we didnt, I am happy with this draft. Very happy.
None of the other DL players were rated as high as the two WRs we just got

We got two, yes TWO..FIRST ROUND WR's for 2nd round money.

We have 5 picks left.
OL and DL can be had there.

I also hate Dan and Vinny, but please.
This is a score in the 2nd round..

Moss, Randle El, Thomas, Kelly, Mix.
That's 5 WR's. It's good. 5 is the way to go in the WCO.

Posted by: tsvqt | April 26, 2008 9:10 PM

And where do Fred Davis and Chris Cooley go. Not to mention Clinton Portis or Ladell Betts. How in G0SH's name do we get all these players the ball. Somebody is going to go to waste here...

Are you kidding me???? The GIANTS proves that DEFENSE wins championships, way to go 'Skins, looking forward to another dismal year

Zorn is on ESPN right now talking about how he envisions Fred Davis lining up opposite cooley on offense. He also likes the idea of having a 6'4" receiver like Kelly in the red zone.

I was about to jump, but it kind of makes sense. Don't kill me for saying it. I WANT TO LIVE!!!

People on this blog keep suggesting that the skins are going to trade thomas and kelly to the bengals for Chad Johnson. Really? Then why would they have drafted Jerome Simpson (WR) in the second round too? Oh, the Bengals want 3 second round wide receivers. They must be even less confident in their ability to identify talent than Snerrato.

And the argument that they are picking the best player available is bunk. The difference in grade b/w pick 48 and 51 is marginal at best. And I'm sure there was a defensive player available who had a very similar grade to either fred davis or malcom kelly.

Finally, i'm not really sure how useful a TE is in the west coast offense. I couldn't tell you who the TE was on Seattle over the last 6 years. Name one good TE on a team that runs the west coast offense.

Yeah, I said WTF, too - but some thoughts:

First of all - no one but the hamsters here were saying O-line and D-Line were the key needs in the first three rounds. Does anyone remember how the D-Line played against Minnesota and Dallas at the EOY? There was some growth there. And what great players were out there on defense, when we picked that would have made us better?

Two - O-Line - Yes, we need young depth, but our problem this year was not talent, but injuries. We can get that in later rounds.

Three - the passing game, as a whole - other than a few moments, is there anyone out there who saw a great deal of consistency in our passing game, other that what the Todd made happen? For the past two or three years, has anyone said, "Yeah, we're in the two minute drill, we're going to score now with our great passing game?"

Four - We got three GREAT receviers in the draft - We can still fill O-Line, D-Line and LB needs later in the draft.

Fifth - Do you really, really think that Blache would sit there and let them draft three receivers if he really wanted someone on the board? Not from what I've heard about the man. Same thing with Bugel - Neither one of them have any reason to sit there and be quiet while Vinny, Dan or Jim Zorn make picks that they don't agree with.

Calm down, everyone, calm down.

Well, they definitely needed bigger receivers to run this offense. Plus, we just can't trust that Moss and ARE can go through a full season anymore at wideout.

This frees up ARE to be at his best which is running back kicks and being a 3rd/4th receiver.

So, picking up two wideouts makes sense. If there is a critical position, WR was it.

Davis? He seems to be a position that could be partially addressed later.

I'd give them a B.

You tell em Leevi98!
Alright, you can take me out of your mouth now.

Posted by: Snyders Nuts | April 26, 2008 8:50 PM

I will tell ya this....AT least I HAVE THE BALLS TO STATE MY OPINION WITH MY NAME ATTACHED TO IT.

And Yes I do not think the draft is as bad as most of these whining little magots do in here. They cry and complain about every move that is made.

To those who stated the upfront d and o line comments...Yes games are won up front...but I personally think, even though they are getting up in age, we have a pretty good o line. and the D has some youngsters who have been playing well....If i remember correctly we had injuries to the online last season and the back ups played fairly well and the line adding a man in trade late...it took them awhile to gel...I dont AGREE with most of your opinions that the o line and d line not being drafted makes or breaks our 2008/09 season...We needed some bigger wrs and we gotem...we needed some pass catching depth behind coooley...and adding to that...seems most here do not understand the wco or you would understand why they needed another pass catching TE to go with cooley...ESPECIALLY WHEN COOLEY IS SPLIT OUT!

Where do Davis and Cooley go?

It's called a two TE set.
The WCO uses it a lot.
Do you actually watch football?

48. Washington Redskins
The pick: Fred Davis, TE, USC
What he brings: There were concerns about Davis' ability to stretch the field before the combine, and his slow 40 time backed up what we saw on film. He isn't an overwhelming in-line blocker, either, but does a good job getting in position and fights to sustain his blocks. In addition, he has the athletic ability, big hands and long arms to emerge as a reliable possession receiver.
How he fits: Based on the offensive scheme Jim Zorn will run, the two-tight end packages will be key. Davis will allow the Redskins to move TE Chris Cooley all over and create mismatches on offense. There were no other quality tight ends on the roster and Davis fills this need for Washington.

This draft has been pretty good so far. Some of you guys have a short memory -- the Skins had no offense last year when Moss and Randel_El were both hurt. And how many TDs did the two WRs score? 4!!!! WR was definitely a position of need. Mix and Thrash have plenty of serious competition this year.

I also like the Davis signing. The Skins have needed a third TE for a long time -- no more Kos this year ;->

WTF, is everyone crying about. The team finally was a real player in the draft. The first two picks were very smart. The tightend was the highest rated for his position. They wanted to give Campbell and Coach Zorn all the ammuniation for the west coast offense. Skins still have picks in the 3rd,4th and later rounds. Come Sunday they will address their D-line/O-line depth. I like the aggressive approach they have taken so far. Espn applauded each and every pick that the Redskin selected. So why all the whinning, girlies?

Yeah, I said WTF, too - but some thoughts:

First of all - no one but the hamsters here were saying O-line and D-Line were the key needs in the first three rounds. Does anyone remember how the D-Line played against Minnesota and Dallas at the EOY? There was some growth there. And what great players were out there on defense, when we picked that would have made us better?

Two - O-Line - Yes, we need young depth, but our problem this year was not talent, but injuries. We can get that in later rounds.

Three - the passing game, as a whole - other than a few moments, is there anyone out there who saw a great deal of consistency in our passing game, other that what the Todd made happen? For the past two or three years, has anyone said, "Yeah, we're in the two minute drill, we're going to score now with our great passing game?"

Four - We got three GREAT receviers in the draft - We can still fill O-Line, D-Line and LB needs later in the draft.

Fifth - Do you really, really think that Blache would sit there and let them draft three receivers if he really wanted someone on the board? Not from what I've heard about the man. Same thing with Bugel - Neither one of them have any reason to sit there and be quiet while Vinny, Dan or Jim Zorn make picks that they don't agree with.

Calm down, everyone, calm down.

Posted by: John D in Houston | April 26, 2008 9:15 PM

NICE POST!!!!

KoolBreeze, WHAT!!!?!

Are you kidding me???? The GIANTS proves that DEFENSE wins championships, way to go 'Skins, looking forward to another dismal year

Posted by: KoolBreeze52 | April 26, 2008 9:13 PM

Dude, Justin Tuck and those 2 DE don't grow on Trees, come ON! you fail to give Coughlin any credit for that win either?!? They game planned and it payed off. Remember we wanted Sparano to be coach???

And BTW - it was Manning and David Tyree that won that superbowl.

-Daytrader

Somehow when the Chiefs moved up to take Albert, I just knew the draft was going downhill for us. If you want to have Davis and Cooley, what happens to Yoder? Are we going to trade him or what? One WR is ok, but taking both is inexcusable. Thomas I can live with; Kelly can kiss my rear end. He is slow and has a horrible attitude. I just hope some of the other players knock him into shape or else he will turn out to be the worst pick in this draft. Quite frankly, Groves would have been a much better pick for so many reasons than Kelly. His attitude alone, and therefore potential outweigh Kelly's by a landslide.

For all of you complaining that we didn't grab an O or D lineman consider this:

Pretty much no lineman outside of the top 10-15, on either side of the ball would start for the Skins next year. The Skins have the luxury of picking depth guys later in the draft who have time to develop. If these moves pan out, the Skins will have a potent offense. If they don't...we'll you could say that about any pick in the history of the draft.

there must be some trade thinking going on here. just doesn't make sense as is

I dont AGREE with most of your opinions that the o line and d line not being drafted makes or breaks our 2008/09 season...We needed some bigger wrs and we gotem

Posted by: Leevi98 | April 26, 2008 9:15 PM

If you think that either of these WRs is going to make-or-break this next season, you're being EXTREMELY wishful. 1st year wide receivers hardly ever make a significant impact, or any impact at all. Then it comes down to what's more important for the future. Would it be finding replacements for an o-line where every starter is over 30? Would it be finding an impact pass rusher? Or even finding eventual replacements for Daniels and Griff?... Or is it finding eventual replacements at WR and a eventual #2 TE? In my opinion, this draft represents how backwards Snyder and Cerrato view the way to build a football team.

For all the GMs out there. There is something called a draft board, where players are ranked.

You don't just grab a player because he fits a position of need. You try your best to pick the highest player on your board, only making a modest sacrafice for postion.

We do not know where the Redskins rated these players.

By the way, I think we were all over Merling if the Tuna did not grab him and yes we just might have been all over Calias if the Cards had not grabbed him.

We took a risk thinking that Calias would fall but we got burned on it.

The draft is not over. We have room for only 2 new OL on the roster. We cant move Jansen and Thomas bacause of salary at this point.

If we grab a Guard and keep Alexander and bring Hyer