first

first?

re: TSH from last thread.

If Rosenhaus' goal is to get Chad Johnson off the Bengals and on to another team (presumably with a new contract), then the LAST thing he'd want to do is significantly drive up the asking price by fabricating an offer. If he did, then he just made it exponentially more difficult to get CJ out of Cincinnati.

Marvin Lewis is lying because they're gambling on (1) being able to keep CJ playing for them, or (2) they feel like they can get a little more out of the skins. But they don't want to face the scorn of the Bengals fans and community for making such an obvious error in judgment, especially if the situation turns for the worse and they end up getting significantly less for him. He's protecting himself in the future for taking such a gamble right now.

Posted by: psps23 | April 22, 2008 1:58 PM

Is it true that Tom Cruize is writing the playbook and it will star Danny Devito playing the role of Dan Snyder??

1?

I'm not worried so much about the Chad Johnson issues, if it works out that great, if it doesn't then we must move on and get the best possible players we can in the draft. That's the bottom line.

I was more worried when I read about Zorn...does he have enough help/experience on his staff. We all know he is a great QB coach, and seems like a very intelligent/energetic guy. But even the players are wondering where the playbook is.

To say he is worrying about the draft that's crazy, he should be letting Campbell and Cerrato worry about the draft, and Zorn and his offensive people should have the Playbook ready to go for the players.

Am I reading this wrong, or is this a major concern.

And god I hope they don't draft Malcom Kelly aka Mike Williams/Jarret in the first round. The guy is big yes, but he runs like a LB 4.6 in the 40. If he can't get down to a 4.5 or better in the 40 yd dash there is no way we should draft in the 1st. I hope Thomas is around, or Sweed or I'd rather have Hardy at least they run under 4.5's.

I take it that no one wants LB at 21?

So the dolphins are having a press conference as we speak introducing Long wearing a Dolphins hat etc...So much for wondering who goes number 1.....Find it funny cause the guy has not even been drafted yet!

this is from the last blog:

I just e-mailed Florio at pft prior to his newest update on the situation and thought I would share. Here is the dialog:

ME: Why would Marvin Lewis deny that they turned down our offer? If there really was an offer, and it was as good for the Bengals as rumored to be, why would Lewis deny that they turned it down?

FLORIOMJ: because if the offer was never made there is no pressure on the team to take the offer from the media and the fans.

ME: doesn't that that go counter to their whole "we're not trading him no matter what" stance?

FLORIOMJ: no it doesn't -- if someone offers them a billion dollars then they look stupid. they want to be able to perpetuate that stance, and they can't do it if someone is making an offer so good that they look dumb for not taking it.

psp23,

i stand corrected. At this point i think the Bengals know we want CJ and will give up way too much to get him.

If I were the Redskins, i'd back off now and see if the Bengals call and accept our prior offer before we select in the draft Saturday. We are far to eager to get this deal done and we're going to get screwed because of it.

Buy low.
Sell high.

That's my advice.

I take it that no one wants LB at 21?

Posted by: Papa Joe | April 22, 2008 2:13 PM

If one of the top two OLBs were still there when we picked, I'd rather have an OLB than a WR. Great WRs have been picked in different rounds throughout the history of the draft (and the bust percentage for high round WRs is fairly high compared to other positions).

Buy low.
Sell high.

Posted by: Dorf | April 22, 2008 2:23 PM

"Mr. Snyder, some guy is on the line and says his name is 'Dorf' ... but the caller ID says Shanahan, Mike."

i stand corrected. At this point i think the Bengals know we want CJ and will give up way too much to get him.

If I were the Redskins, i'd back off now and see if the Bengals call and accept our prior offer before we select in the draft Saturday. We are far to eager to get this deal done and we're going to get screwed because of it.

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 22, 2008 2:20 PM

i see most writing we need to draft and get younger and dont need players like chad....i disagree and I say that because I am sick of losing! PERIOD...I'm tired of this team and fans being like Luke skywalker ...always looking to the future and never the present...I don't care about 5 years from now....say we get a wr in teh draft instead...he wont be good until several years later and then they will have to pony up the bucks then or they are a fa...I say get a guy NOW to go with what we have NOW...

I beleive the time is exackly what Allen said....The FUTURE IS NOW!!!!!!! If we look too far ahead...we waste the good talent on this team n ow...fill the damn needs and lets go get a superbowl!

u tell'em acid washed!

haha leevi, yeah because the future is now approach has worked brilliantly for them the past decade. plug hole here and there has done so good. Yeah all we need is CJ for the super bowl. smoke some more of your bong

It would be dumb to take CJ before June. And don't over pay at that point. Draft this draft as if we are making no trades. If the Bungles want to trade after June, don't give them the kitchen for CJ. I would be OK with trading our #1 pick (and only that) for CJ after June.

Jordy Nelson in the 2nd!

I'm thinking the POSITIONS that are going to drop (regardless of talent of the player) are QB, LB, and RB. So if the Ravens ARE thinking about QB, and if Ryan gets picked before #8, then I say we trade UP (swap) with them ... and get us one of those DTs ... if not Albert. [The difference in 'points' in the updated trade chart is about 600 ... which is the value of the #31 pick ... which the Patriots forfeited ... so nobody will notice if we throw that one in ...].

haha leevi, yeah because the future is now approach has worked brilliantly for them the past decade. plug hole here and there has done so good. Yeah all we need is CJ for the super bowl. smoke some more of your bong

Posted by: | April 22, 2008 2:31 PM

in the past we did not have a stable team like we do now either.....If you can'y see what his presence alone would do for the offense..then the convo with you stops there.....

Y'all don't want me ballin' for your squad. I'z gonna bite you with my gold teefus when I get there.

here is the latest on my dialog with Florio. Florio just explained to me how the Bengals are doing everything they can to not look stupid in front of the fans:

-------------------------------------------

ME: So in your opinion, the skins are trying
very very hard to do something that 99.9% of redskins fans will perceive as being very stupid?

FLORIO: yes

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I'm feeling queasy.

In our opinion, what the Redskins apparently are doing is 1000 times worse than the conduct that formed the basis for the Bears tampering allegations against the 49ers. In our opinion, the Bengals should file tampering charges against the Redskins today, if for no reason other than to get the Redskins to back off.

Posted by: 4th via PFT | April 22, 2008 2:12 PM

And here I was thinking that no one outbashs the Skins' FO like Jasno ...

Thanks for the Beep Beep that NEVER CAME!

"BENGALS SAY NO OFFER HAS BEEN MADE FOR JOHNSON
Posted by Mike Florio on April 22, 2008, 1:28 p.m.
On Tuesday morning, Chris Mortensen of ESPN reported that the Washington Redskins have offered the Cincinnati Bengals a first-round pick in 2008 and a conditional pick in 2009 that could escalate to a first-rounder for receiver Chad Johnson.
Bengals coach Marvin Lewis says that it never happened.
"Mike Brown has not received a phone call," Lewis said at a Tuesday press conference.
Lewis also continues to call Johnson's bluff regarding his intention to retire if not traded. "He's a man of his word," Lewis said. "He says he's not going to play, so don't play. It's time to do what you're going to say you do and we'll just move forward."
So what's going on here? It's possible that the offer was made, and that the Bengals have opted to deny it in order to avoid the intense pressure that eventually will come from the fan base to spare them the antics of Ocho Psycho by getting real value for him right now and moving on.
Really, what can the Redskins do if the Bengals are lying? Call a press conference to say that an offer has been made? (That would be tampering on its face.)
And we continue to be (more) concerned that tampering might be occurring with Johnson. Even if the 'Skins aren't directly talking to agent Drew Rosenhaus, the fact that the Washington Post knows that the team is ready to pay Johnson $21 million in guaranteed money strongly suggests that the team is putting this information out there in the hopes of continuing to stoke the "I want out" fire that has escalated into an inferno.
In our opinion, what the Redskins apparently are doing is 1000 times worse than the conduct that formed the basis for the Bears tampering allegations against the 49ers. In our opinion, the Bengals should file tampering charges against the Redskins today, if for no reason other than to get the Redskins to back off.

Posted by: 4th via PFT | April 22, 2008 2:12 PM
"

Via PFT

here is the latest on my dialog with Florio. Florio just explained to me how the Bengals are doing everything they can to not look stupid in front of the fans:

This makes ZERO sense. Essentially the Redskins are offering them a first round pick, and a possible 2nd round pick, and the Bengals have turned it down.

How are the Bengals not looking stupid in this???

Instead, Marvin Lewis has gone on record stating that instead of GETTING something for CJ, he wants him to simply GO AWAY.

This is supposed to be

If we trade 2 picks for CJ can he play WR and DB?

This is supposed to be

Posted by: Greg | April 22, 2008 2:51 PM

That should have said:

This is supposed to be the Bengals trying NOT to look stupid?? How can they look ANYTHING BUT stupid in this instance?

Greg,

Florios point is that the Bengal's don't look stoopid because they are denying that we ever made an offer. Since no one has (allegedly), expressed interest in Johnson, the Bengals aren't losing anything by not trading him: there (allegedly) isn't any interest in him at all.

"I'd like to be a five-year vet coach right now, but I'm not."

That's how you hit the media back in the chin.......

Call it a sign from the sports gods:

Tuesday night at Verizon Center, the Capitals will play the sixth Game 7 in franchise history and attempt to become only the 21st team in the history of the National Hockey League to come all the way back from a three-games-to-one deficit. They rallied from down 3-1 to beat the Flyers in 1988 and are 1-4 all-time in Game 7s. If the Capitals win, they will face postseason nemesis Pittsburgh in the next round.

THE BENGALS ARE LYING -

Chad Johnson, Jared Allen updates

A highly-placed Redskins source denied an ESPN report that the team had offered its first-rounder and one of its two third-rounders to Cincinnati for disgruntled Bengals receiver Chad Johnson. The source said the Redskins inquired about Johnson, but never made a firm offer because the Bengals said they wouldn't trade him.

Meanwhile, I blogged yesterday about the Redskins needing to enhance their pass rush and the Chiefs shopping NFL sacks leader Jared Allen. But today, a Redskins source said that the team isn't interested in the 26-year-old defensive end because he could face a 1-year suspension if he commits a third DUI. Allen was suspended for the first two games of 2007 following two DUIs but still led the league with 15.5 sacks.

-- David Elfin

http://video1.washingtontimes.com/redskins/2008/04/chad_johnson_jared_allen_updat.html

TSH, the fact still remains, we offered them a trade, and instead of taking it, they're going to let CJ rot, and get nothing in return?

maybe the wapo should poach elfin. he's still got sources with the skins.

I'll play wide receiver and Deion (formerly known as cornerback) for only $20 million. Hey, I might even have some left-over payments from last time around to knock the price down a bit.

We as Redskins fans should know that anytime a high profile guy is in battle with their current team, other people not associated with the Redskins ALWAYS put their names in the fray to scare up interest.........

So now thats Marvin Lewis the coach of the Bengals, and a high ranking Redskins person who have denied making the trade.

Versus

Chris Mortensen, and PFT.

Pick who you want to believe.

Regardless of who lied, the Bungles put themselves to look stoopid. If they turn down the offer ESPN is reporting, they are stupid. If they don't trade CJ and let him sit or worse, become a bigger cancer on the field (CJ will not sit out the entire season because of the $$$) then they are stupid.

Losers either way.

Greg - PFT was piggybacking off of Mort's Report.

So, It's Vinny vs. Mort

The truth is somewhere in the middle, being that it IS draft week. Considered to be the most misinformed week of the NFL calensar year.

Sure, Skins inquired and prob threw some draft picks out there.

Rosenhaus is prob the source of the WaPost #s of $21Mil gaurenteed because that's what he want's his client to get.

The Bengals MAY appear to be acting dumb, and by the begining of the draft it is likely the Bengals give him to the highest bidder.

Hey, the Bengals and Chad may be in collusion. They may be playing games. Chad is the Bad Cop, Brown is the Good (Stubborn) Cop.

I believe Chris Mortensen, PFT, and WaPo ... and Florio provides the theory. The Bengals would have to call out the Skins as tampering if they admitted it ... and the Skins would have to admit to tampering. That outcome is in neither party's rational self-interest.

Greg,

If the Bengals truly believe CJ won't play for him, he will be traded. Likely, they are just negotiating now, wanting even more than we have offered. Given that we have a history of overpaying, the Bengals are wise to take this stance.

On the off-chance that we can't work out a deal, the Bengals have said they never received an offer as a way to cover their Arse.

At this point, I have resigned myself to the fact that, when this is all said and done, we will have CJ and be without our first round pick this year and next.

Hey, the Bengals and Chad may be in collusion. They may be playing games. Chad is the Bad Cop, Brown is the Good (Stubborn) Cop.

Posted by: 4th | April 22, 2008 3:19 PM

This idea doesn't make sense. Got theory for why CJ would want to do that?

But guys, guys, why bring up the past bonehead moves. These cats have learned their lesson because they told us they did. They're not trying to make a big splash for chad johnson. Daniel Snyder is super-smart now and won't make that trade.

"Daniel Snyder is super-smart now and won't make that trade."

Look, up in the sky!

It's a flying pig.

Suck it anon....you gutless puke.

Hey, the Bengals and Chad may be in collusion. They may be playing games. Chad is the Bad Cop, Brown is the Good (Stubborn) Cop.

Posted by: 4th | April 22, 2008 3:19 PM

This idea doesn't make sense. Got theory for why CJ would want to do that?

Posted by: dcsween | April 22, 2008 3:21 PM

It could all be coming from Rosenhaus who wants to drive up what the Iggles and Girls are offering.

Every off season we hear roomers like this right before FA and the Draft start. Remember when TO wanted out of Philly the rumors that he would go to DC? Every year this happens.

Don't put much stock into what the players want or say. Of course they'd prefer to have had the playbook for weeks now. That's a no-brainer. What's important is whether the coaching staff is able to teach them this offense come week 1. That's all that matters.

I believe Chris Mortensen, PFT, and WaPo ... and Florio provides the theory. The Bengals would have to call out the Skins as tampering if they admitted it ... and the Skins would have to admit to tampering. That outcome is in neither party's rational self-interest.

Posted by: dcsween | April 22, 2008 3:19 PM

It would be tampering if the offer was never made. If the Skins made the offer to the bungles, then it is not tampering. Otherwise, if they have had talks with the agent regarding CJ's salary, then it is tampering. Like Florio says, the bungles should pursue tampering charges. Nothing to lose, and draft picks to gain.

This to me proves that the offer was made.

Johnson will be a Redskin on draft day....too many things flying around and now the new twist..

Lewis has changed what he said in his news conference.

"Once I actually read what was reported, I have to be truthful and say that the story is accurate," Lewis told ESPN. "Unfortunately, I didn't read it until after our press conference."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3358557

Gotta love the leadership.

Generals are important in war. Leading us into battle are a guy who saw Patton, one guy who worked in a mess hall, and Montana Max from Tiny Toon Adventures.

No big deal, it's not like the players need to learn a whole new offense. No rush on the playbook bruh. Remember I said it here, I cannot wait until the offense sputters and you get those quotes like:

'you need at least a year in this offense before it really clicks'

'we just haven't had the reps yet to get on the same page. It will come, but it's going to take some time'.

'It took Matt Hassellback 2 years before he was comfortable.'

Quick quiz, how many timeouts has Jim Zorn called in his career? None. Same amount as Chris Larry. But I bet you CL would have a playbook in the mailbox.

This idea doesn't make sense. Got theory for why CJ would want to do that?

Posted by: dcsween | April 22, 2008 3:21 PM

We have seen over the past 3-4 years that when it is known that a team will inevitablly (sp?) cut a player, other teams will wait until he's cut or only offer a 2nd day draft pick for the player. The Bengals might have said they won't be doing that and got together with Chad and Agent to do what they have been doing.....

Get where I'm going? I know it prob isn't the truth, but who here has posted anything truth related today concerning Chad?

It could all be coming from Rosenhaus who wants to drive up what the Iggles and Girls are offering.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 22, 2008 3:30 PM

Rosenhaus doesn't care what the Iggles and Girls are ready to offer. All he cares about is the new contract Chad hopes to get. If he drives up the price for the Iggles and Girls, he's just hurting his chances of getting Johnson traded (and thus hurting the chances of getting a new contract for CJ).

If anything, Rosenhaus wants the Bengals to LOWER the price for CJ.

You mean the rumers were true. We really did make the offer to the Bungels? wow. Just wow

how did marvin lewis not understand the question earlier today? When asked about the Redskins offer, he emphatically said, and i quote:

"Mike Brown has not received a phone call,"

That is taken directly from the original article. Now he is saying he didn't read the full article to understand the question that was being asked.

BULL CRAP! Marvin was lying at the time and he knew he was. Something has happened between this morning and this afternoon to make the Bengals think they need to come clean. Could it be the Skins, out of fear from tapering charges, threatened to pull the offer from the table if the Bengals didnt publicly admit that the discussions had taken place?

Don't buy into the hype and the rumors. It's just another manic Tuesday.

REPOSTED: I beep-beeped myself again. But it's worth reading, IMHO

TALK SHOW HOST PLAYING DIRTY

++++Get a guy who can help your team for 2-3 years, but who likely won't do anything for your team NOW

OR

give up the value of a 4th rounder for a guy who is almost certain to have 1000+yard seasons this year, and the next 4-5 years.

Again, I'm just playing devils advocate here,...
Posted by: TALKSHOWHOST | April 22, 2008 12:29 PM++++

Get the H-E double Hockey Sticks off this board if you're gonna argue logically. I won't stand for it.

Okay, you admit you're the devil so I will treat the witness hostilly. Nah...

I would dig what you're saying if this team was one WR away from a likely run for the SB. But it would be a miracle of miracles for the redskins to contend this year.

They are learning a NEW system with a FIRST TIME coach, who never was a coordination. Not sayin' ZORN ain't the real deal, but his learning curve is likely to be more than just one off-season.

Another reason why I feel the skins are far from challenge-ready? There are no Randy Moss's out there dialing them up, i.e. guys willing to take a LOT lss money to be on a championship team.

I don't know the dude, but CJ seems to be out for the money. He wont' say WHY he hates cincy, and he's late to the table, unlike Moss, who we t into the Tank in Oakland early.

As a result, Cincy thinks they can get more than a One and a Three for him. Oak gave up Moss for pocket change. NO FA's came hat in hand to the skins. Hell, even their own guy (caldwell) wouldn't sign for minimum, but left for little.

So CJ comes to the skins for the money...why else? The skins likely don't win with him next year, but have mortgaged some of their rebuilding future down the road.

We DON'T know what the incentives are. They may be team position, or they may be accomplishment. In any event, it wans't enough for the Bengals. Will Vinnie and Danny walk away? Have they ever?

Remember, Danny is in the money making bidness, and a marketeer. He LOVES the underachieving and injury prone Portis not so much for his gifts on Sunday, but for his gifts on ESPN on Thursday where he costumes up and makes Sportscenter.

Danny WANTS splash, and colorful guys who will keep butts in the seats and the value of his franchise rising.

No one in HOLLYWOOD, where they do movies for a living, offered fading heterosexual Scientoligist Tom Cruise the housekeepping deal he wanted. But he found a sucker in Dan. The price? Appearing beside The Danny in his box.

The trouble with the Cruise and the CJ deal is non-expert people are making the calls. Danny wants the Hype, Vinnie wants to keep Danny happy.

I'd like to see these Leopards change the stripes on their horse in midstream and build a team the old-fashioned hard way, but i don't see it.

And I'm afraid these guys, who can't pull off a major FA deal that's worthwile, won't have a clue as to the right people to draft, either.

Aside from that and seeing the Rocket Surgeons rip Jasno's negative analysis of the draft, I'm looking forward to this weekend.

corkczar post ... I feel a new thread coming ...

"Montana Max" from Tinytoons.......awesome, just awesome; LMAO. That is quite possibly the best nickname for the Danny I have seen thus far. I may just use it going forward.

It could all be coming from Rosenhaus who wants to drive up what the Iggles and Girls are offering.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 22, 2008 3:30 PM

Every off season we hear roomers like this right before FA and the Draft start. Remember when TO wanted out of Philly the rumors that he would go to DC? Every year this happens.

Posted by: Alex35332 | April 22, 2008 3:31 PM

By that logic, CJ could go to Dallas for one of their two first round picks (or both) and maybe more ... uh oh ...

++++..I'm tired of this team and fans being like Luke skywalker ...always looking to the future and never the present...++++TALKSHOW HOST

Luke freaking Skywalker SAVED TH WHOLE UNIVERSE and nailed Carrie Fisher back before she got fat. We should be so lucky to be like Luke Skywalker.

Winning, like the way they won last year is overrated. Us old Fogies want to win it all. And CJ don't get us to the promised land. Rebuilding might. But for 12 years this team has PROVEN shortcuts dont' work.

Anyone else here a heck of a lot more excited about the Caps game tonight than this garbage? More Caps coverage Jasno!

I hope that Merling is available and that the Skins take him with #21. you can see video of him at si.com.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/specials/draft/2008/video/ (you have to enter his name in the search box.)

I like his moves and enthusiasm. He can play end or tackle and would gladly play both positions. He's a top 15 player who might slip to us because his sports hernia prevented him from working out at the combine.

The #2 pick should be used on Hardy, Nelson, or Kelly, if one of them is available. If not, best S, CB, WR, OL, LB on the board.

Anyone else like Merling?

That dosen't mean you know who is telling the truth.

All that means is that Marvin Lewis should've huddled up with Management before speaking to the media so everyone is on the same page as far as squeezing out a team to get 2 1st round draft picks......

What is true that both sides have confirmed:

The redskins via Mort and Elfin called the Bengals to see if Chad was available via trade.

What has NOT yet been proven:

Redskins offered a 1st and 3rd (conditional 1st).

The Bengals or Rosenhaus might have added that part so that the Cowboys or Eagles can offer 2 1st rounders.....

The Owner (of the Skins) wears glasses. No cigar, but thanks for playing.

http://www.angel-hare.com/acorn/tta/pic/misc/ms/MS_Monty.gif

The Skins may want Johnson, but its a huge mistake. Johnson is a guy that will push Zorn all over the place and create problems that a rookie coach can't have. If GG were coach, I'd give CJ a maybe. GG's work with Sean Taylor suggests he might be able to handle Johnson.

Jared Allen is different case. He wouldn't be Zorn's to manage. The DUI thing is trouble, but Blache has a chance to get thru. Plus Allen is a difference maker in the middle of his career.

4th, the second (3:14pm) article from Mort says that the Skins offered (at least) the first round pick.

Corkczar post ... I feel a new thread coming ...

Posted by: dcsween | April 22, 2008 3:47 PM

Hmmmm

Maybe the new thread is because Corkczar is JASNO? Or Cindy? Maybe he's the THREAD God?

Just to repeat, Charlize Theron in round 1. I think Vanessa Williams is there in round 3. I'd take the local bank teller in round 4, but I doubt most teams have scouted her. Carla Gugino in round 6, though it'd be more appropriate if she was in Cinci (Sin City)

I posted as "Singer" I LOVE non-registration

And I can't stop saying Gosder Cherelius, even tho I can't spell it.

Hey, nice block, Gosder!

"Ladies and germs, with the 21st pick.... the skins take future ROY Gosder Cherelius!"

The Bengals or Rosenhaus might have added that part so that the Cowboys or Eagles can offer 2 1st rounders.....

Posted by: 4th | April 22, 2008 3:54 PM

I hardly believe the Bengals inserted the part about the picks being offered, then forgot to tell Lewis to acknowledge it during the press conference.

And as far as Rosenhaus goes, like I posted above, he can care less what the Bengals get or the Iggles/Girls/Skins give up. All he cares is that CJ gets moved out of Cinci. The easiest way to do that would be to drive Cinci's price down, rather than raise the other team's offers. He would probably push for CJ to get cut, if that means he could sign a new contract.

There is little doubt in my mind that the skins offered what was reported. I just hope they back away while they still can.

Luke freaking Skywalker SAVED TH WHOLE UNIVERSE and nailed Carrie Fisher back before she got fat. We should be so lucky to be like Luke Skywalker.

Posted by: CORKCZAR | April 22, 2008 3:53 PM

"Nailing" your sister is overated.

It could all be coming from Rosenhaus who wants to drive up what the Iggles and Girls are offering.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 22, 2008 3:30 PM

Rosenhaus doesn't care what the Iggles and Girls are ready to offer. All he cares about is the new contract Chad hopes to get. If he drives up the price for the Iggles and Girls, he's just hurting his chances of getting Johnson traded (and thus hurting the chances of getting a new contract for CJ).

If anything, Rosenhaus wants the Bengals to LOWER the price for CJ.

Posted by: psps23 | April 22, 2008 3:36 PM

Rosenhaus will have to make the thing happen on two fronts. Between the Bengals and whatever team vis a vis draft picks, and between CJ and his new team. The new team would have to give to the Bengals draft picks and to CJ money. The more the agent can do to make his client seem more valuable and more in demand, the more his bargaining position improves.

Just to repeat, Charlize Theron in round 1. I think Vanessa Williams is there in round 3. I'd take the local bank teller in round 4, but I doubt most teams have scouted her. Carla Gugino in round 6, though it'd be more appropriate if she was in Cinci (Sin City)

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | April 22, 2008 3:58 PM

I'd vote for Kate Beckinsale in the first round. She probably won't be there at 21 tho.

4th, the second (3:14pm) article from Mort says that the Skins offered (at least) the first round pick.

Posted by: dcsween | April 22, 2008 3:57 PM

Has anyone had a skins source confirm this? I thought not (Check me @ 3:02pm). The skins confirmed the trade offer with Briggs (Exchange 1st rounders), so why deny this one????

corkczar, I think the last name is pronounced CHAIR-eh-lis.

AL, Zeke, etc. Carla Gugino is rising and gets plucked way before the 6th.

wrong again, sween, its SHARE-uh-luss

Just to repeat, Charlize Theron in round 1. I think Vanessa Williams is there in round 3.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | April 22, 2008 3:58 PM

These are not rookies.

'Help me, Deliverance Guy, you're my only hope.'

I said we didn't get a phone call. I did not say that we didn't make a phone call.

Skinfanman -- They are to me!!!

4th, the second (3:14pm) article from Mort says that the Skins offered (at least) the first round pick.

Posted by: dcsween | April 22, 2008 3:57 PM

Has anyone had a skins source confirm this? I thought not ...

Posted by: 4th | April 22, 2008 4:05 PM

No, but Marvin went from "no way" to "and by 'no way' I mean yes." And Marv USED TO be a Skins source. What's your bottom line point?

skinfanman - fair enough. but it seems like the limiting factor in these negotiations isn't the contract that'll be offered to chad. it's whether or not chad gets moved out of cinci. my opinion is that the easiest way to do that would be to get cinci to lower their asking price, rather than get teams to significantly increase their offers.

" ... the easiest way to do that would be to get cinci to lower their asking price, rather than get teams to significantly increase their offers."

Posted by: psps23 | April 22, 2008 4:12 PM

But there is still the matter of the existing contract and the cap consequences for the Bengals ... which could be reduced along the lines of Archuleta/La Var if done voluntarily by the player ... which he might be willing to do assuming he still got the money even it were from a team other than the Bengals.

Bottom line point?

It's gotta be a lie, because even the stupid Bengals would jump on this deal, because if they wait until the season start, they won't be getting a 1st rounder and 3rd rounder from any team. Right now is the time to get the most.

Like I said, both sides haven't confirmed this fact, so it ain't fact......

4th, good summary.

There is a LOT of unknowns, in this. People shouldn't insert stuff that helps their own opinion if its not REALITY.

corkczar, thanks for your response to my devils advocate position. the witness was hostile so you were allowed to treat him as such. haha.

Anyway, you are on-point... assuming Zorn is our long-term coach. Going for CJ makes me think Snyder is trying to form a team with enough talent to lure Bill Cowher to DC. There! i said it!

A first and a third? The Pats only had to give up a fourth round pick for me, and I'm way better than Ocho Cinco. I don't know who's dumber, the 'Skins FO for making the offer, or the Bungles for turning it down.

Cowher is too smart to work for Danny

Clearly for those of you who claimed the Redskins did not make the offer: they did. See Marvin Lewis's on the record comments, specifically:

Bengals coach Marvin Lewis, who initially denied the team had received offers for Johnson during a Tuesday news conference, confirmed to ESPN that Cincinnati turned down Washington's offer of two picks.

"Once I actually read what was reported, I have to be truthful and say that the story is accurate," Lewis told ESPN. "Unfortunately, I didn't read it until after our press conference."

My guess is the Bengals come around and take the deal on draft day. Maybe they wait until pick 21 to see who's there. Hopefully the skins come to their senses and wait until after the draft when the price for CJ should go down.

Zorn, I don't think that anyone is denying AT THIS TIME, that the offer was made. However, up until Marvin came out and stated that, it was uncertain what had happened.

It's gotta be a lie, because even the stupid Bengals would jump on this deal, because if they wait until the season start, they won't be getting a 1st rounder and 3rd rounder from any team. Right now is the time to get the most.

Posted by: 4th | April 22, 2008 4:17 PM

There also hasn't been any reports of the offer being pulled either. My guess is that the Bengals are attempting to squeeze a little more out of the deal, whether from the Redskins or another team willing to jump in, before the draft. If nobody budges, then the Bengals will pull the trigger on this deal, for the reasons you listed above.

Mort hasn't been wrong on this story yet. Just because we haven't got concrete proof doesn't mean that it isn't true. Like I said, only the Bengals benefit from the alleged offer being so high. And these are the same Bengals that denied the story just a couple hours ago. Something tells me they didn't embellish the details, only to lie about it after the story broke.

BUT, no one from the skins have confirmed this is what I am saying.

You guys are mixing fact from rumors. This is the week you don't believe what GMs and Coaches say on the record.

The Bengals are fooling you. They are scarring up interests so some fool can offer them 2 1st rounders. And they'll use one of those picks on a WR not named Kelly.........

Greg- I agree with you. However others still don't appear to (4th etc.)

4th - since the Redskins don't comment on trades, what standard of proof could possibly convince you that this was a real offer?

zornskins

How can you say that Mort was "not wrong" about something that is "alleged". No one knows what the parameters are on this. So based on that, how is he not wrong?

"Just because we haven't got concrete proof doesn't mean that it isn't true"

wha...

Better yet, how is he right about something that we don't have concrete proof of?

Let me add to my last post. It may be truth, but I wouldn't jump out on a limb and add it to the end of the old testament....

facts aren't facts either....truth is socially constructed....debating what is "fact" is like the sound of one hand clapping...

Greg,

Where can you point out in that story that Mort was wrong? Is there any part? If not, then he's "not wrong". That doesn't mean that he's right. It just means that the jury is still out. I'm giving Mort the benefit of the doubt, given the fact that nothing he's said has been proven wrong, and I'm going to believe what he reported. Be skeptical if you want, but just because there hasn't been official confirmation behind the offer details does not mean that the offer didn't happen as described.

If Nate is Capt. Obvious, Beantown G is Captain Literal

haha

psp, what are the parameters of the trade?

This blog needs me.

My guilt is to strong..."Resident Post-Modernist" was me....

Writing 50 times in Word

"Will not post on RI under fake psuedonym"

This blog needs me.

Posted by: Hair-Splitters Anonymous | April 22, 2008 4:49 PM

The split of a hair can make a world of a difference....

" ... debating what is "fact" is like the sound of one hand clapping..."

Posted by: Resident Post-Modernist | April 22, 2008 4:43 PM

I know about the "depends testimony" of the former President, but no one ever explained to me ... what IS the meaning of "is"?

Better yet, how is he right about something that we don't have concrete proof of?

Posted by: Greg | April 22, 2008 4:42 PM

So what you're saying is that we don't have confirmation on the details, therefore Mort cannot be right. Am I getting this right?

So what you're saying is that we don't have confirmation on the details, therefore Mort cannot be right. Am I getting this right?

Posted by: psps23 | April 22, 2008 4:52 PM

And if he "is" right, how can we confirm THAT?

So, what LB are we picking with our 1st pick? Jarod Mayo or Keith Rivers?

By that logic, CJ could go to Dallas for one of their two first round picks (or both) and maybe more ... uh oh ...

Posted by: dcsween | April 22, 2008 3:52 PM

sween - this is what I think may very well happen. Dallas has 2 first rounders so they offer up one and a later round for CJ who will be delighted to go to an SB contender (choking just saying that) maybe even for a one year contract like Moss.
Then the paddies still draft a WR in another round who they will bring along as well as whoever they take with their other first round pick. UGH!

If we had brains we'd keep our picks draft well and hopefully wisely and then make a play for CJ if we must which I don't think we should unless it's for a relatively low price.
With a new HC, new playbook etc. how much of a difference is a CJ going to make for us this next season? Maybe I'm wrong and he is exactly what we need as a threat to take the pressure off all the newness but I don't know.

Mort's Report contradicts Elfin's Report. So who do you belive in? -

"Chad Johnson, Jared Allen updates

A highly-placed Redskins source denied an ESPN report that the team had offered its first-rounder and one of its two third-rounders to Cincinnati for disgruntled Bengals receiver Chad Johnson. The source said the Redskins inquired about Johnson, but never made a firm offer because the Bengals said they wouldn't trade him.

..........

-- David Elfin

http://video1.washingtontimes.com/redskins/2008/04/chad_johnson_jared_allen_updat.html

Posted by: 4th | April 22, 2008 3:02 PM

"

I think Greg may be blinded by his wanting to believe things have changed. I felt the same way until today. Not sure how you could not be leaning toward the validity of the story. Mort reported it and then it was verified by Lewis after his initial misremembering. We got the no comment from the head donkey in charge. After hearing how they have been all over CJ's jock and their track record over the past several seasons hard not to believe it.

psp, what are the parameters of the trade?

Posted by: Greg | April 22, 2008 4:48 PM

The only details given were our 1st this year and our 3rd next year (which could escalate to our 1st next year with performance bonuses) for Chad Johnson.

I forgot you can't link to outside pages.

Debating whether the Bungles/Skins talked CJ trade on RI is like debating the "theories" of gravity, relativity and evolution...

What I'm saying is how can you be not wrong about something that has yet to be determined?

This Chad Johnson crap is beyond disturbing. Oh well. On to watch my new favorite team, the Caps. F the Skins.

I know about the "depends testimony" of the former President, but no one ever explained to me ... what IS the meaning of "is"?

Posted by: dcsween | April 22, 2008 4:51 PM

The word "is" constitutes the third-person singular form of "to be", the copula of the English language.

The Phone Booth "IS" going to be nuts tonight.

Don Banks updated his mockery of a draft based on Chris Long's signing with the Dolphins:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/don_banks/04/22/long.analysis/index.html?eref=T1

What I like best about this news is that it looks like there is a slightly increased CHANCE that Brandon Albert slides out of the top 10 ... which provides for a more realistic trade up opportunity.

Trade up you ask? wha? Yes, this business about trading down and/or trading the first pick is misinformation. The Skins will trade up to get Brandon Albert (based primarily on the consensus btwn 4th and me up here).

" ... the copula of the English language."

Posted by: 4th | April 22, 2008 4:57 PM

And what is the process by which a copula is created?

[If this were volleyball, I would shout out "set" at this point.]

And if he "is" right, how can we confirm THAT?

Posted by: dcsween | April 22, 2008 4:53 PM

All hair-splitting aside, given what I've seen and read, and given how credible I feel Mort is, I'll believe his reports over the cheeky coaches/gms/team presidents that refuse to give away any inclinations on what they expect to do leading up to and on the draft. Right now, Mort's report is what I'll believe until he or ESPN issues a retraction or confirmation of truth/fabrication on the story.

Ha! Something we can agree on!

BTW, You were on the right bandwagon last year, I wasn't (Landry).....

I believe children are our future

Also, after the Skins trade for Albert, and Big Media asks "what about the whole Chad Johnson thing?", The Owner is going to stand up and yell "Psych!" (or maybe "Sice!") and then say "You see, we really really really HAVE changed."

Say, where is BigMurf anyway?

I believe I can fly!

I believe in Miracles

Do you believe in miracles!

Yes!

As it turns out, we couldn't have been wrong at number 6 last year b/c Okoye had a huge year, too. Still, like with Bigby, I also man love Landry. Dirty Thirty indeed ... though he will need to get some of that under control ... that gesture like he was dealing a card that drew the unsportsmanlike flag is as vivid in my mind as those first few special teams tackles he had against Miami.

And what is the process by which a copula is created?

Posted by: dcsween | April 22, 2008 5:01 PM

By yourself when your significant other isn't around to add the "te" at the end.

By yourself when your significant other isn't around to add the "te" at the end.

Posted by: | April 22, 2008 5:12 PM

OK, I'll play this round of RI Jeopardy! for $800 (and its the Daily Double!) ... I say "What is the process by which masturba is created?"

Eventually, I believe, everything evens out. Long ago, an asteroid hit our planet and killed our dinosaurs. But, in the future, maybe we'll go to another planet and kill their dinosaurs.

So, what LB are we picking with our 1st pick? Jarod Mayo or Keith Rivers?

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 22, 2008 4:53 PM

I'd jump at either. With Washington and Rocky Mac's health issues, and Fletcher's age, that's a REAL need pick. Doubt Rivers would be there then, but Mayo might.

Love the Jack Handy quotes. Keep 'em coming!

I forgot where the blog was on the mid-to-late round QB ... I remember some love for Josh Johnson, some ambivalence about Colt Brennan, and no one (other than me) interested in Erik Ainge, but what did peeps here think? [I also have a vague recollection that Jasno said something about the one from Oregon? Alex somebody?]

T minus less than four days and counting...

"Mayo-nayse drop and give me twenty, you piece of dog SJK. You won't be banging Debra Winger on my watch mayo-nayse"

The Jim Zorn quotes at the end of Jasno's post are scary, scary, scary. My flag football team uses a very simple playbook: "Everybody go deep". We're undefeated.

If God dwells inside us like some people say, I sure hope He likes enchiladas, because that's what He's getting.

The Redskins made the offer to up the ante for Johnson.

They may have no intention of picking him up for that price - but they also should have no intention of letting a team like Dallas, who went 13-3 last year and is a division rival, pick up Johnson for anything less than an enormous price.

They kept this team together because they feel like they can win now. Whether I agree with that or not is another story. The point is, it will be a heck of a lot harder to win NOW with one of your division rivals starting Terrell Owens and Chad Johnson across from you corners.

So, drive up the price- no one says verbally offering picks sets the deal in stone - leak the offer out, then back away. This may piss off the Bengals, but in this case business is business, and the Bengals are in another conference - not an organization that the Redskins need to fret over keeping good relations with in all likelihood.

I WOULD agree that if the offer were legit, it would be a bad decision. Just too much to give up for a guy that will make you better, but cost a fortune and who becomes a cancer whenever the going gets tough.

If you're 13-3 the year before, you can take that risk. If you just snuck into the playoffs last year, and you're putting all your money on the same guys the following year, you can't.

Things tend to even out. Religion, some people say, has caused wars and fighting. Yes, but it's also boring to sit through a church service, so it evens out.

My young son asked me what happens after we die. I told him we get buried under a bunch of dirt and worms eat our bodies. I guess I should have told him the truth - that most of us go to Hell and burn eternally - but I didn't want to upset him.

Shaun, what about the part about coaching candidate rejects all saying that The Owner and Vinny telling them that CJ was in their plans?

OK, I'll play this round of RI Jeopardy! for $800 (and its the Daily Double!) ... I say "What is the process by which masturba is created?"

Posted by: dcsween | April 22, 2008 5:16 PM

You say "masturba"; I say "copula"; Let's call the whole thing off

One day, you ask people to take a look at a skin rash you have. Then, a few days later, you're looking at their rashes. You send someone a death threat and then, mysteriously, the police come to your house and threaten you.

It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.

Ladies and Gentlemen. . . I give you "The Redskins Outsider" Jason La Canfora.

"The Redskins Outsider" thats clever...in a beaten to a bloody stump sorta way with the same lame joke....

The last thing this team needs is some guy like Ocho Cinco clowning around when we're trying to take care of serious business.

If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.

To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, and the dancers hit each other.

If a child asks why it's raining I like to say, "because God is crying." If the child asks why God is crying I like to say, "probably because of something you did."

The face of a child can say it all, especially the mouth part of the face.

Update: Bengals did turn down Redskins' offer

Cincinnati coach Marvin Lewis has retracted his earlier denial of the ESPN report that Washington had offered two draft choices for disgruntled receiver Chad Johnson.

Lewis told ESPN that the Bengals rejected the Redskins' offer of their first-round pick, 21st overall, and a conditional third-rounder in 2009 for Johnson, who has threatened to hold out all year. The 2009 selection could wind up as high as a first-rounder depending on how well Johnson played.

Upon hearing that Lewis, Washington's defensive coordinator in 2002, had spilled the beans, the highly-placed Redskins source changed his denial and also confirmed ESPN's report.

- David Elfin

http://video1.washingtontimes.com/redskins/

whoops!

Man the bengals are dumb....I would have taken that in a second! 2 First rounders (we would have hoped....) to jetison that headache...in a WR rich draft?

in other news, Beantown Greg could not be reached for comment as he was arguing about whether water was wet with a school of fish.

say it with me...

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Now that I ate a nice snack, the Bengals are the craziest people in the world. They will never get out of this rut they have been in since the end of Boomer Esiason because no FA will want to sign with them....

Lying 2008 style "I misspoke..."

Agreed, go caps, but no yelling...

going home to watch!

Lying 2008 style "I misspoke..."

Posted by: chris larry | April 22, 2008 5:56 PM

Or, the slightly more subtle, "I misremembered."

DC Sween:

I don't think any of the things I proposed are unrealistic whether the Redskins have wanted Johnson all this time or not.

I'm in fact in agreement that the Skins have wanted Johnson...but it very well could be that Mr. Brown is not going to let the guy go no matter what. Word is, Paul Brown is as stubborn as they get, and he may be willing to let Johnson rot on the bench for at least a year. So, it could be that the Redskins came in with a more reasonable offer - given the market that was set by the Pats with Randy Moss - and were rebuffed...not with "we want more", but with "no trade, never".

If I'm the Skins, and I know that the Bengals will either

A. Never trade me Johnson or
B. want far too much,

I'm all for making sure the price goes sky high to get him. As I said in the previous post, all BS aside, is anyone here on this blog going to think that are odds of us competing in this division will get better if Johnson is with the Cowboys or Eagles?

If the next thought is "why worry about it? Dallas can't get him then either"...I'd say...never say never, especially in this circumstance because
Dallas has 2 first round picks. They can afford a pretty high price, and as a contender they are looking to win it NOW. For me, that means taking risks with your future to go for a title this coming year.

So: you wanted Johnson, but you can't get him...but your rivals want him too. You can either: sit back and hope the Bengals stand by their principles and not buckle under the pressure to move him, or you can make a trade is difficult as possible by setting a high price.

I'd get involved if I were them...

Having said all that, no one can say for certain if the offer is "for real" or not...if it is, it's ridiculous, given our current situation. If it's not, it's smooth business move.

Redskins offer 1st round (21) and 2009 3rd rounder (could be a 1st round if certain conditions are met) for Chad Johnson.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3358557

As of now, Bengals say no. I bet they are going to think about it and may change their minds. Its an 8 million dollar cap hit this year to trade, but that two potential 1st round picks to compensate.

I don't have a problem with this offer. CJ is a proven WR vet and would upgrade the offense tremendously. With all the other picks the 'Skins have, why not?

The bungles/idiots not only put themselves in a no win situation with their fans, but proclaimed to the world that they are THE dumbest team out there. Just to prove a point. How does letting CJ get older help them?

Depending on where exactly the idiots are with their salary cap, they would be smart to wait until after June 1 to trade him. If they have plenty of cap space, they should get the value now because no teams will give them as much then (except us).

We will be paying way too much for CJ when/if we do get him. We cannot give more than one pick this year. We need to add too many players this year (DE, LB, WR-even w/CJ- and OL). We can get a CB and backup S after June 1 cuts. I would just hate to lose both this years and next years #1 picks for this guy.

If we trade for CJ before the draft, I will have to shift from J Nelson to Monk for our WR pick since we would need other position more in the second and our 1st 3rd. Use the comp pick on Monk.

As my man Greg says, my .02!

The sad part of this trade is that peeps will say that the Skins have not changed their ways. But like we are having to do with the contracts of some of our older players (no choice here), if we do not want to see CJ in a girls uniform (I would be OK seeing him with the iggles, they will find a way to blow it anyway) we have to make this trade.

This would be our LFB for this year.

Pass the Kool-Aid.

The 'Skins will need another WR even with CJ?

Between Moss on the other side and Randle El in the slot, that should be a pretty good corps of wide outs. Does the West Coast Offense use a lot of 4-receiver sets (I dont know this one)?

Along with Cooley (and Mathis), that sounds like Fun Bunch II to me.

SCSkins,

Unless some of the young WR we already have are any good, I think that we need to get younger at the WR position as well. Monk would be a good pickup this year.

Mathis will be returning punts if he makes the team and stays healthy. Rock will probably be traded, which is why Mathis was brought in.

Don't be hating on Thrash!

Haha

Besides, how can the Redskins not draft a receiver named Monk? It's destiny, baby.

I would be against this move if we were short on picks. We have 8 other picks if we make this move. Chad Johnson is a stud WR. He's a showoff, but not a cancer. He catches touchdowns. The draft is a gamble, and Chad Johnson may be gamble, but I'd much rather gamble on a proven player.

All I'm saying is if you don't do this move then we take a crapshoot with a young wideout, which is fine if you have the patience to wait for him to develop.

Yo Chad, don't let management do you like that Bro...I coulda had a sweet deal with the Skins...but it never played out like that homey.

If chad were even 2 years younger, I wouldn't mind this deal (two picks) so much... but hes 30 and its only realistic to expect him to perform at this same level for 4-5 more years. its simply not a worthwhile investment.

we've already "lost" one recent first round pick in sean taylor. another is starting the season on the PUP list and it will be another year before he's back to full speed. Our first pick the year before last as a degenerative condition is both his knees. we need to be extra careful with our draft picks to recoup those losses.

Why not trade for Jared Allen instead? He was the sack leader last year and he didn't even play the full season. Plus, he's only 26.

I just heard that Anquan Boldin has requested a trade....

Let's assume that the 'Skins are a few key players away from the NFC Championship.

Who do you want, CJ, or a rookie project?

lisa, assuming youre not joking, time to get in a bidding war with the eagles and cowgirls.

lisa never jokes....

sure are a lot of geeks up here

sure are a lot of geeks up here

Posted by: JBL | April 22, 2008 8:27 PM

Uh, exactly who did you have in mind?

sure are a lot of geeks up here

Posted by: JBL | April 22, 2008 8:27 PM

Uh, exactly who did you have in mind?

I hope we do not trade any of our picks away.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gomhbfH8hkD43F9akz1gr8NksqDQD90789980

ChrisLarry, that is not true. I have a great sense of humor...in fact, I was just told yesterday by one of my co-workers that I am the funniest person he knows. I just happen to be very serious about my beloved Skins.

But I was not joking about the Anquan Boldin trade request "rumor" which was on the NFL Network tonight.....usually if they mention a rumor it has legs.

Cardinals | Graves wants to extend Boldin's contract
Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:22:45 -0700

Kent Somers, of The Arizona Republic, reports Arizona Cardinals general manager Rod Graves said he would like to extend the contract of WR Anquan Boldin. Boldin is currently signed through the 2010 season.

just clownin you lisa....

that may be, but don't call me shirley

Hello Everyone,

Vinny wanting to make his own big splash; big mark by offering 2 RD #1 Choices?

Have they lost their minds?
CJ is a malcontent.
If Randy Moss went for a #4 RD choice, why don't the Skins simply offer a #2 and wait and see if anyone offers any more?

We do have other needs we need to fill, Vinny! You are supposed to be building a "team" not focusing on getting one player!

Caps just got knocked out in the first round.

But I guess Jasno will continue to portray them as wildly more successful than the Skins, who also lost in the first round.

Jasno needs to go. He doesn't like the sport of football, and certainly hates the Skins.

All the sheep around here say criticizing Jasno means you love Snyder. I say that is not true, you can be critical of both.

Jasno is terrible.

Sorry CL, Smack and other Caps fans. Great series either way.

Throw that 21 to the Cards for Boldin. Hate trading the 21 but would do it for a younger big WR without the selfish attitude. RIP ST.

The Skins need to take that offer they made to the idiots, aka bungles, to Arizona for AB. HE would be worth it!!

Just read (here on RI) that the caps lost. Sorry to all of the caps fans here on RI. Not a hockey fan myself...

Thanks...sobbing myself to sleep....i need to relax with a donkey HJ

ALLEN TO VIKES A DONE DEAL
Posted by Mike Florio on April 22, 2008, 10:42 p.m.
What do Carl Eller and Jared Allen have in common?

Okay, what else do they have in common? As of Wednesday, both will have been members of the Minnesota Vikings.

Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that the Vikings have reached a contract agreement with defensive end Jared Allen and a trade agreement with the Kansas City Chiefs.

The deal will be finalized on Wednesday.

Allen was the NFL's sack leader in 2007, despite missing two games due to a suspension. His first game was against the Vikings, and his performance was downright dominant.

I have to say this about the FO, and I know the Snyderrato 'Lynch Mob' may rip me but fugg em'...

JLac says "don't believe the hype"...but I'd like to point out a couple of successes.

1) We had four picks last year and now we have nine!!!
2) I like the stance we took on D.J. Hackett. He only played 6 games last year.

This movie isn't over, and the Skins are paying for mistakes of past years, but what should they be doing that they are not already doing this offseason.

Waiting for the draft is like waiting for Santa Claus. Only the Danny threatens to take away some of our presents. He wants to trade them for somebody else's used toys. He must have an inferiority complex, always thinking somebody else's toys are better than his.

I am SO GLAD we didn't get OCHO LAMO.... Do you think he would have been worse than signing NEON DEON?

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By the Tester's beard!!!

these birth control pills are messing with my cycle

Just when you think Vinny is learning...bam, your kicked right in the walnuts. He is like potty training a puppy, except the puppy has more sense. Oucho Oh-NO is an over-paid, prima donna who had the luxury of Carson Palmer and T.J Hou. Every damn year its the same thing with the draft. Napoleon only wants Chad for marketing his non-Redskin businesses. Imagine Dan, Vinny, and the other sycophants sitting around their oversized table talking "strategy." Makes me want to vomit.

Oh, why did ESPN break this story? Doesn't the Post have like 5 reporters for the 'Skins?

The Skins need a QB. They should draft Brian Brohm with their #1. Then they should get a real head coach.

dear god, deliver us from these buffoons. please crash redskins one with danny, vinny and oucho stinko in the plane. dear god, please deliver us from the worst owner in sports and true jackass among men. and god if you are listening, please resurrect jack kent cooke and make him the owner again.

PFW weekly Mock Draft

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10780755

Pre-draft position analysis by Casserly.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/story/10793750

Rang's Latest Draft Risers/Fallers.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/draft/risersandfallers

Under-the-radar sleepers.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10793472

Is "Bug" really "The Crickets"?

I've spent the day posting on The Fix. What fun! You folks here are all freakin' nuts, but you have no idea about nuts until you go over there. Yikes!

I'm almost done with my moonlighting. I'd love to join you folks for the NFL Annual Selection Meeting, but I'll be boarding all weekend. Maybe in June.

I hope everyone is reading Cooley's blog.

And, I think it's time for one more drink!

Gil Brandt's Hot 100 in the Draft.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d807e3288&template=with-video&confirm=true

PDiddy - The answer to your Crickets question is "Yes". A temporary diversion, if you will, directly related to unregistration.

Tony Pauline's Hidden Draft Gems

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/specials/draft/2008/04/22/gems/index.html

Re: Chad Johnson

Just no, please, please, please, just no.

Sigh.

Has anyone been following "Emmit Smith's" mock draft. Of course it's not really Emmit Smit. Here's what he predicts:

Washington Redskins: William Franklin, WR, Missouri
Now we begin to talk about the Washington Redskin, or as I like to call them, the arc nemesis of the Dallas Cowboys. But because we are speaking about the national's capital, I must voice my opinions on the upcoming elections.

Everyone say Barrett O'Bama seem like a cool cat, but he Irish, our long and sworn enemies who start the War of 1812, a battle we are still fighting today. I would hate to see Irishland be the country we lossed a war against. And then you have Hillary Clinton, who cannot be counted on to get the jobs done. If she cannot please her man, how could she possibly please the good people of the United States of Americans? My vote for the next president is John McCann. I never hear him speak, but I sawed he have a hot daughter.

The Redskin, they are from Washington so they should take a receiver who is related to a president. William Franklin have seen rumors that he is the son of Benjamin Franklins, the great president on the $100 bill.

It may have been mentioned here already, but once again, the number 21 is significant to the Redskins.

Sean Taylor lives in legend and our hearts.

For all those who keep saying the Redskins should draft Trevor Laws or Dre Moore, you might be surprised to know that these two players do not really fit the scheme that the Redskins play (and are looking for). The interest the Redskins have is in a 3 gap DT (same as Cornelius). Laws and Moore are not similar to Griffin. They are very much like Golsten - primarily suited to play the run in a 4-3. Redskins are looking for a DT like Sedrick Ellis. There's a good chance that either Laws or Moore would be a wasted draft pick.

Instead of trading for Charles Johnson, why don't we go after Roy Williams from Detroit? He's taller and younger. Plus all of the fans that are against mouth all mighty CJ, we'll get a talented/humble 6'4 or 6'5 WR.

Griffin is a 3 technique defensive tackle who plays a 1 gap technique. But you're right, anon, those other players are not 3 technique guys.

I'm so glad that this trade didn't go through. Gosh it pisses me off that they'd even attempt to do a trade like this. Friggin Dan, get your friggin head out of your friggin anus.

Rang's Latest Draft Risers/Fallers.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/draft/risersandfallers

Posted by: Bug . . . | April 23, 2008 1:37 AM

This indicates there's hope that Otah or Williams could be there at 21. Casserly's analysis seems to indicate otherwise.

For all those who keep saying the Redskins should draft Trevor Laws or Dre Moore, you might be surprised to know that these two players do not really fit the scheme that the Redskins play (and are looking for). The interest the Redskins have is in a 3 gap DT (same as Cornelius). Laws and Moore are not similar to Griffin. They are very much like Golsten - primarily suited to play the run in a 4-3. Redskins are looking for a DT like Sedrick Ellis. There's a good chance that either Laws or Moore would be a wasted draft pick.

Posted by: | April 23, 2008 7:31 AM

If they were to draft Laws or Moore it wouldn't be before round 2, and of course we're all hoping for Nelson in round 2. But are you thinking Balmer would be the more logical pick, given who's likely to be there for the picking.

http://www.gbnreport.com/

Interesting discussion of yesterday's events.

sf, can you post that?

From GBN report link...apt (but funny) typo

Despite being rebuffed in their latest attempt to acquire Cincinnati WR Chad Johnson, Washington has reportedly not given up on tarding for the embattled Bengals star receiver.

But I was not joking about the Anquan Boldin trade request "rumor" which was on the NFL Network tonight.....usually if they mention a rumor it has legs.

Posted by: Lisa | April 22, 2008 9:43 PM

In his same report on the Chad Johnson trade, Mort says the skins have also made an offer for Anquan Boldin, and have also been rebuffed.

"In addition to getting turned down by the Bengals in their trade proposal for disgruntled Johnson, the Redskins were also rejected this weekend on their trade proposal to the Cardinals for wide receiver Anquan Boldin, sources said."

Indeed. This would be a "tarded" trade.

I was playing Madden 08 last night at my buddy's place on his PS3 with the wide screen HD tv. Sean Taylor intercepted a pass and it really brought me back.

RIP #21

i'd give a 1st and 3rd for boldin and a little less for williams. they are both younger and bigger than CJ and would fill our needs nicely.

That said, i'd still prefer to trade down.

TSH,

Really? You'd rather trade down than give a 1st and 3rd for Boldin?

I'd rather keep our picks. The 2 for 1 never works out the way it should. Those 2 picks could turn out to be 2 starters. Not to mention the savings of signing rookies versus trading for a Boldin type of player.

Greg,

Those 2 picks could also turn out to be busts. At least with Boldin, you're getting a talented immediate starter (who