F plash!

So anyways, from the last thread and all the more reason we don't need CJ or Kelly,

Jon,

Speed does matter at WR and if you're comparing the two guys speed could the determining factor.

My larger point is that wasting the #21 on a WR that compares similarly or worse to a WR that you could get in the 5th round is insane.

Here's some more info on Monk and, no, I'm not his agent.

" Large possession receiver with solid hands. Uses his frame to shield away defenders, nicely adjusts to the errant throw, and plucks the ball from the air with his soft hands. Works to become an open target, makes the reception in stride, and strong running after the catch with the ability to break tackles and pick up positive yardage. Stays with the action and out-jumps opponents for the high throw. Makes the tough catch with opponents draped on him."

sounds pretty good to me

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 22, 2008 11:40 AM

BONG!

This from ESPN:
"Trading Johnson also would mean Cincinnati would take an $8 million salary-cap hit, but that amount could be split over the next two years. Additionally, as one owner who wished to remain anonymous told ESPN.com, "There's nothing wrong with dead money. It's cash already paid and it's cash back in your pocket that you don't have to spend, especially with the [high] amount of everyone's salary cap these days."

would someone please explain to me what the dead money thing means.
thx.

Mike Brown is my hero.

Don't trade for CJ. What fun is the draft if you don't have picks? Show some faith in your scouts.

Way to get scooped by ESPN.

Greg, this is what I was thinking about (from Pat Kirwan at nfl.com) ... and I acknowledge my selective memory about the short shuttle part:

5. Calais Campbell, Miami (Fla.)

Height: 6-8 Weight: 287
College stats: 25 starts, 169 tackles, 38.5 tackles for a loss, 19 sacks, 6 forced fumbles
Vital numbers: 4.85 40-yard dash, 4.36 short shuttle

There is some controversy about Campbell. His height may be a concern to some who like players to fit into the mold of former great ends. His forty time is a hair to slow but his short shuttle (ability to change direction) is decent for a guy this tall. He could develop like Mario Williams in a year or two because of effort in pursuit and his pass rush techniques. When I talked with Campbell, I discovered his lower body strength is far superior to his upper body strength. He also feels his speed rush is his best move up field, but recognizes he needs to convert to a bull rush and occasionally cross the tackle's face. At 6'8 those moves will take time at the NFL level. 57.5 plays behind the line of scrimmage in 25 starts are better than two per game. Draft projection: Rounds 1-2.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d807c720e&template=with-video&confirm=true

If you are "The Insider" Jason, why didn't you break this story last Thursday? I guess you have pissed too many people off in the organization to get the big story anymore.

From the previous thread.

dcsween I read that article as well. It was Pat Kerwin on nfl.com that noted that information. I think picking Calais at #21 is a little high only because of his pre draft workouts, but his on the field production is very very good. Here a look at some of the DE that may be available for the skins at #21.

Harvey
36 games, 90 tackle (59 solo), 20.5 sacks, 31 stops for losses, 11 qb pressures

Merling
38 games, 146 tackles (99 solo), 12 sacks, 31 stops for losses, 45 qb pressures

Campbell
36 games, 158 tackles (83 solo), 19.5 sacks, 39 stops for losses, 30 qb pressures

Groves
51 games, 120 tackles (75 solo), 26 sacks, 36 stops for losses, 38 qb pressures

Posted by: marlonjohn | April 22, 2008 11:46 AM

Do it!

This is win-win...we still have 7 picks. We can still get good player with our 2nd and other 3rd round pick. CJ is still better than any receiver we could draft, and a stud DE or CB will be available in the 2nd round.

I'm not sold that this is the truth.

Sounds a little far fetched to me.

dk;

Dead money is money that counts against the cap for a player no longer with that team. When a person gets his roster bonus, that goes into this years cap. Say that person then gets cut... the cap hit is on the current year. If it is after June 1, half against this year and half against next year.

I dont really understand where that owner says dead money isnt bad... must have been Snyder.

I think this will be the last push for CJ. First round and and 3rd rounder too. Randy Moss was just a 3rd rounder a year ago. Cincy stupid, this the best deal there getting for a guy who wont show up for training camp now for sure. He wants the Synder money! And its in his head.

Hmmm... I think we need to let this Ocho Cinco thing die down and nver come back up again. If the reason the Skins signed no off season free agents and their only goal was to lure Ocho Cinco away, I am not sure I can be a fan any longer.

thank god for the bengals. they just made the best move our team management has made in years!

i like CJ. i want CJ. but a 1st and a 3rd? possibly two 1sts? cerrato and snyder are idiots. i mean come on. CJ clearly does not want to be in cinci. he's going to do what he can to get out. wait until june, when he's not showing up to sessions. then maybe cinci gets a little more into the idea. and maybe you get him for a lower pick. plus, why rework his contract for more money? he already gets paid a ton.

sheeesh.....

dc, my only concern is this:

Vital numbers: 4.85 40-yard dash

He never ran that, so that to me puts the rest of the numbers he lists into question. He ran a 5.03, and a 5.01, at the combine, and at his pro-day.

And JC, that pick would be for next years draft.

They should let imminent or future deals impact the draft. They do need a WR, even if we get a vet. Santana is aliling. We need youth, hopefully one who can push one of these high prices, oft injured vets out.

THe only reason we didnt cut Jansen is b/c there is no one waiting in the wings. We need more of those guys waiting in the wings. I.E. DRAFT PICKS!@

Danny synder is such a myopic little twit. Why in the world would anyone want this loudmouth jerk in their locker room? He can play some, but he's not young and he will not get better. Throw away valuable picks and all that money on this clown? No way. The Little Twit has learned nothing.

Two bits of writing here I like about Florio: (1) referring to himself in the first person plural ("in our view") and (2) the new nickname. He just put this up and its in a blog entry accusing The Owner and the EVP of tampering:

"... In our view, the fact that the Redskins would be willing to give up so much for a player who clearly has at best impulse control problems and at worse some type of full-blown personality disorder makes us wonder whether the "I want to be traded today, and if not today then tomorrow, and if not tomorrow then the next day" routine is part of a broader wink-nod arrangement that Chad will pretend to be Ocho Psycho in the hopes that the Bengals will finally decide to let him go. ..."

He will be 31 this year. Which means we could use the first pick on a taller, younger WR that gets locked up for 5-6 years or break the bank for an aging WR, 2-3 year rental. And then there's the potential 2nd first rounder next year. He's got a nice gold grill tho'. This trade is idiotic which makes me believe Denver must somehow be involved in it.

Besides, isn't it bad karma to trade the #21 pick? Just sit tight and use the draft for once. Please.

And JC, that pick would be for next years draft.

They should let imminent or future deals impact the draft. They do need a WR, even if we get a vet. Santana is aliling. We need youth, hopefully one who can push one of these high prices, oft injured vets out.

THe only reason we didnt cut Jansen is b/c there is no one waiting in the wings. We need more of those guys waiting in the wings. I.E. DRAFT PICKS!@

Posted by: Zebra | April 22, 2008 11:56 AM

That should read they SHOULDNT

If this isn't proof that Danny STILL hasn't learned his lesson, I don't know what is...

BENGALS REJECT OFFER FOR CHAD
Posted by Mike Florio on April 22, 2008, 11:26 a.m.
The Cincinnati Bengals have consistently made it known, publicly and privately, that they will not trade receiver Chad Johnson.

But, nevertheless, an effort has been made to trade for him.

According to ESPN's Chris Mortensen, the Washington Redskins offered a first-round pick in 2008 and another draft pick in 2009 for the disgruntled wideout, who has made his desire to get out of Cincinnati abundantly clear over the past few months.

The 2009 pick actually could escalate to a first-rounder, based on Johnson's performance in 2008.

Mort points out that it's not the first time that the Redskins have approached the Bengals, but it's the "first significant proposal."

Here's our take on all of this -- the Bengals should be very concerned about the possibility of tampering. The Redskins have enjoyed over the years a very strong relationship with Drew Rosenhaus, Johnson's agent. And it is believed by some league observers that Chad's campaign to be traded arose not from his zeal to wear a new uniform but from his desire to stuff more money into his pockets.

Thus, if the Redskins were willing to make such a strong and specific offer for Johnson, it's hard not to think that they have an idea as to the contract extension that Johnson (via Rosenhaus) would accept.

And that, of course, would be tampering.

We realize that the reader comments to this item will include some folks suggesting that we quit worrying about tampering, but a situation like this presents the prime example of how unauthorized communications with a player who belongs to another team can undermine that team's relationship with its player. If no one were interested in trading for (and, presumably, paying) Johnson, then Johnson might quit embarrassing the team (and himself) by providing rambling, pointless interviews that reiterate his desire to play elsewhere. The notion that another team is willing to give him what he wants financially (if that's what is happening) will serve only to embolden him.

In our view, the fact that the Redskins would be willing to give up so much for a player who clearly has at best impulse control problems and at worse some type of full-blown personality disorder makes us wonder whether the "I want to be traded today, and if not today then tomorrow, and if not tomorrow then the next day" routine is part of a broader wink-nod arrangement that Chad will pretend to be Ocho Psycho in the hopes that the Bengals will finally decide to let him go.

We're not saying that's what happening, but it's hard not to wonder whether that's what's happening.

absolutly [cc], you gotta keep the ST pick

Thanks all for your thoughts and prayers for me and my family. I appreciatte the love.

I'm not sold that this is the truth.

Sounds a little far fetched to me.

Posted by: Greg | April 22, 2008 11:51 AM

Have you learned nothing from me young man? I make things happen I am a mover and shaker and splash maker

Dudes, and dudettes

How much will you pay me to Post? Every time I do, JASNO has a new thread.

Again, how do we know this to be the truth?

Because Mort is reporting it?

Zebra thanks for the response. i understand what dead money means.
this is the part i dont get.

"There's nothing wrong with dead money. It's cash already paid and it's cash back in your pocket that you don't have to spend, especially with the [high] amount of everyone's salary cap these days."

any1 know what this means?
thx.

If this isn't proof that Danny STILL hasn't learned his lesson, I don't know what is...

You are SO right. NOTHING has changed. If Jasno is shut out at Redskins' park, it's only because he's been doing his job...

corkczar, I noticed that as well ... though I know its a touchy subject, so I didn't want to bring it up. In days of yore, there was somebody who used to post "putting on the turban" (Stumped?) and a new thread would appear. You, corkczar, are the turban reincarnate.

GASP! Is the post implying that they hold their reporting to higher standards than espn.com? Or that espn.com is better at being an insider than the Post?

Also, where are all the Jasno haters who berated him for saying that the FO hasn't learned their lessons yet...

Say no to Ocho-Stinko!

1. I could see the angst if the Skins only had 3 or 4 picks but they have 9!!!

2. Chad Johnson makes plays on the field. Yes, he's a clown, but he clowns after he scores.

3. The Patriots gambled on a far worse personality in Randy Moss. This guys walked off the field and tanked it in Oakland.

4. If not Chad Johnson, then who??? (Jordy Nelson, Malcolm Kelly) You can still draft a receiver with one of your other EIGHT PICKS!!!!!

Again, how do we know this to be the truth?

Because Mort is reporting it?

Posted by: Greg | April 22, 2008 12:04 PM

What about this makes you think it's NOT the truth? That offer smacks of classic Snyder overpayment.

Why couldn't this have been reported by the Post when they first heard it 5 days ago. Seems like damage control to a story broken by another news outlet.

So now if we can only trade 2 picks for CJ and then hopefully get docked 2 more by the commish for tampering it will be back to the old Redskins ways I feel much more accustomed to. Good to be back.

dcsween, gotta love the legalspeak. Change I to we and suddenly more people beleive your theory has more weight. i think i'll start using "we" more often.

If Snyder/Cerrato trade a 1st and 3rd (or even just a 1st) for CJ, they are stupid, crazy, incompetent, fools. And, that's not even taking into account the $21M. Talk about not getting it. These guys are way beyond left field, beyond the parking lot... they're all the way to Brigadoon. My hopes for a front office conversion to sane practices are crushed.

"In addition, the Redskins are prepared to guarantee Johnson about $21 million as part of a new contract. ESPN today reported the bulk of what we were told last week and were in the process of confirming with sources familiar with the Redskins' ongoing pursuit of Johnson."

Appears the WPost was in process of confirming it too Greg

Because dallas, NE, et al won't be so dumbly occupied four hours before the Big Dance.

Posted by: corkczar | April 22, 2008 11:52 AM

Actually, I've heard that Wade and Jerrah are flying in last-minute from Cabo. I'm shocked anyone here would misunderestimate our dumbly occupance.

way to go Redskins Insider

you got scooped by ESPN and PFT

Shocker

Cause Dan Snyder was the one saying it!!

I think he saying that it is money spent that you cant use towards your current cap... by which he is saying it keeps you from overspending?

That almost like saying I threw away my keys so I wouldnt drink and drive.

Its that 'dont have to spend' line. Surely sounds like snyder to me since it seems as if he thinks the cap goal is to get as close to the cap without going over and that having csh in the bank is a penalty

The 2009 pick actually could escalate to a first-rounder, based on Johnson's performance in 2008.

HOW DUMB IS THE REDSKINS FO?

1. Ocho Cinco beyotches like mad and demands to be traded when he's unhappy.

2. The Redskins obtain him for a #1 this year and CONDITIONAL #3 next year.

3. The skins stink next year. Learning a new offense, old guys hurt again, etc. They will finish, 5-11.

4. CJ is having a real good year. With two games left, he is three receptions short of reaching the level that turns the #3 pick into a #1 pick.

5. The skins must either sit CJ or watch their top ten pick disappear.

6. They sit him, Ocho Stinko sulks again. "Could have led the league!" I demand the redskins TRADE me."

Idiots. The 'skins are managed by Idiots.

cdubb, my first thought when i read the pft article was to wonder what picks the commish would take away from us.

The only thing that could save us is the fact that CJ publically let it be known he wanted 20M last week. The redskins supposedly offering 21M could simply be a response to that.

I still don't understand why we don't try to go for Lito Sheppard! He's younger and he's at more of a position that we need than Chad Johnson.

should be called Redskins Speculator who cuts and pastes from PFT, ESPN, ES, etc...

God, what a disaster that would be! We have got to build for the future. Chad Johnson is already getting older and we can't throw to him if we don't have a line. It's all about the lines, and both of ours are aging and suspect. Use the picks, Dan!

Brown, this is from PFT:

REDSKINS TO SIGN GREG MARINO
Posted by Mike Florio on April 22, 2008, 11:26 a.m

Despite not spending during the Free Agency period, as they usually do, the Washington Redskins today, are set to sign Greg Marino to a 5 yr. 30 million dollar contract. Marino, who at age 38, and having never played professional football previously, was quoted as saying, "This cat is gonna tear up other cats". It was unclear what position Greg was going to play.

I hope this is all rumor. If this offer is true Snyder will have proved he has learned nothing from all the other stupid transactions he has approved during his tenure as owner which has resulted in constant mediocrity at best from his Skins. If we give up more than a 1st to get Johnson I will be ill. Pats get Randy Moss for a 4th rounder and the Skins supposedly can't wait to ship a 1st and 3rd for Chad Johnson. Just more of the same stupid FO stuff.

i love how all the JLC haters come out and bash the guy for everything. if he posts this last week, you all will say "yea right, unnamed sources...sounds like a load of bull to me." he's been saying all along that the skins will make a play for CJ, now that he's right and he's waited to obtain confirmation, he gets shot down for getting scooped by espn and pft. apparently, JLC just can't win with some of you anymore. sounds kinda like he's in a Chad Johnson sort of situation on the blog here.

dcsween, gotta love the legalspeak. Change I to we and suddenly more people beleive your theory has more weight. i think i'll start using "we" more often.

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 22, 2008 12:07 PM

We like this post, but we are discussing which the award category would be most appropriate for nomination.

psp, please prove that this actually happened? Did it happen because you read it on the internet?

I have land...lots of land for sale...

Any of you slobberknockers know where I can get a BBQ sandwich with cole slaw?

too bad there's not some informal place where a Washington Post reporter could post informal news and specul[Sigur Ros - Takk...]

sorry, i had to give an ipod update

1. I could see the angst if the Skins only had 3 or 4 picks but they have 9!!!

2. Chad Johnson makes plays on the field. Yes, he's a clown, but he clowns after he scores.

3. The Patriots gambled on a far worse personality in Randy Moss. This guys walked off the field and tanked it in Oakland.

4. If not Chad Johnson, then who??? (Jordy Nelson, Malcolm Kelly) You can still draft a receiver with one of your other EIGHT PICKS!!!!!

Posted by: sicwidit | April 22, 2008 12:06 PM

1. The quantity isn't important, it's the quality. This team typically does pretty well in the first round, and they're talking about giving up two possible starters for one 30 year old malcontent.

2. So does Pacman Jones. Nuff said.

3. Not even close to a fair comparison. The Patriots have a great coaching staff, a stable roster, a winning tradition (in THIS decade), and an unquestioned leader at QB in Tom Brady. The Redskins have none of those things.

4. Nobody knew Chad Johnson would be good when he got picked in round 3 of the draft. The Skins have an opportunity to pick someone in this draft, develop him, and have him be a player for the next decade. Don't be a Snyder, give the draft a chance.

3. The Patriots gambled on a far worse personality in Randy Moss. This guys walked off the field and tanked it in Oakland.

4. If not Chad Johnson, then who??? (Jordy Nelson, Malcolm Kelly) You can still draft a receiver with one of your other EIGHT PICKS!!!!!

Posted by: sicwidit | April 22, 2008 12:06 PM

Pats gambled with a 4th rounder on a better WR than we'd be getting for a 1st and 3rd (possibly 2 #1's). Not to mention another guaranteed 20M sunk into the WR position. We don't need a line or any CB's to play games. We'll just let JC get crushed every play a la Patrick Ramsey and then watch Ocho Cinco throw a tantrum cause we were sacked for a 10 yard loss. Great.

i'm sure a lot of other people have similar things to say about college players they know, but jeremey thompson is a DE with 2nd-3rd round talent that might slip since he played at wake forest. all of us redskins fans at wake know how big of an asset he would be on the 'skins. the point is, keeping draft picks might turn out well for us since there seems to be plenty of talent all over the draft.

Now way, two first rounds picks! You have got to be joking. Up until now I have been willing to give "Tony" & "Christopher" in the Redskins FO the benefit of the doubt, but if this is true, forgettaboutit!!

If we are going to give up a 1st and 3rd why aren't we trying to get Bolden?

As far as Florio and PFT.com are concerned, I enjoy his site, but that guy is the Oliver Stone of internet hacks. This guy wakes up in the middle of the night with the "TAMPERING INCUBUS" sitting on his chest. Enough already.

The Brown's FO is a bunch of clowns. They should take this deal in a heartbeat and make TO#2 Zorn's problem. Despite their posturing, I think they just might.

All that nonsense about a cap hit is crap for the Bungles fans. PFT.com has pretty much shown that issue to be canard.

REDSKINS ONE OUT!

thank god for the bengals. they just made the best move our team management has made in years!

i like CJ. i want CJ. but a 1st and a 3rd? possibly two 1sts? cerrato and snyder are idiots. i mean come on. CJ clearly does not want to be in cinci. he's going to do what he can to get out. wait until june, when he's not showing up to sessions. then maybe cinci gets a little more into the idea. and maybe you get him for a lower pick. plus, why rework his contract for more money? he already gets paid a ton.

sheeesh.....

Posted by: JC | April 22, 2008 11:53 AM

Would you rather him goto to the Eagles or Cowboys then? i'd rather have him on our team than him team up with TO in Big D...

Snyder's problem is he's never dealing from strength. He's always gotta make the big splash, usually out of desperation, rather than the shrewd move. I get the feeling that if he was ever in a poker game with Belicek and/or Shanahan (not that he's brilliant - just good at making Snyder overpay) he'd be walking home in his tighty whities. They should sit tight and wait until after the draft - let CJ continue to make life miserable for the Bengals - maybe the skins get him cheaper then. Maybe Philly and Dallas won't be after him then as well. Although I could see them hanging in just to drive up the price for the Danny.

Greg, do you have no faith in reporting standards? Generally, respectable news sources such as the Washington Post and ESPN will not post items unless they have pretty good evidence from credible sources that they are true. That, plus the fact that we are talking about the Redskins FO, makes it pretty easy to believe this story.

1. I could see the angst if the Skins only had 3 or 4 picks but they have 9!!!

2. Chad Johnson makes plays on the field. Yes, he's a clown, but he clowns after he scores.

3. The Patriots gambled on a far worse personality in Randy Moss. This guys walked off the field and tanked it in Oakland.

4. If not Chad Johnson, then who??? (Jordy Nelson, Malcolm Kelly) You can still draft a receiver with one of your other EIGHT PICKS!!!!!

Posted by: sicwidit | April 22, 2008 12:06 PM

Hey sicwidit aka Nitwit:
The Patriots traded a 4th for Moss and gave him a one year deal. What do we do if we don't trade for a 30-something head case WR? We use the draft well for a change. CJ was a 2nd rounder. Randy Moss was a 21st pick. Rice was a late-teens pick. Wise-up, will you, and stop spouting such Snyderesque nonsense.

smc, didn't Jason post in this very blog that Jim Fassell was to be named the head coach? Is that the 'reporting standard' that you're speaking of, or is it another reporting standard?

beep beep

I've been on The Owner's side of the fence on #85 from Cincinnati, but I like the nickname "Ocho Psycho" so much, I might hop over to the other side.

All that nonsense about a cap hit is crap for the Bungles fans. PFT.com has pretty much shown that issue to be canard.

REDSKINS ONE OUT!

Posted by: REDSKINS ONE | April 22, 2008 12:21 PM

I assume you meant the Bengals? Easy on the boys up in Cleveland.

The Brown's FO is a bunch of clowns. They should take this deal in a heartbeat and make TO#2 Zorn's problem. Despite their posturing, I think they just might.

All that nonsense about a cap hit is crap for the Bungles fans. PFT.com has pretty much shown that issue to be canard.

REDSKINS ONE OUT!

Posted by: REDSKINS ONE | April 22, 2008 12:21 PM

Sorry, I didn't copy high enough on your original post REDSKINS ONE.

good stuff beantown...

Please with Janso bashing....psps23 is dead on...

Not sure how I feel about CJ....but this obviously being discussed...

i dont want CJ, but let me just play devil's advocate for a minute.

Snyder offered a 1st this year and a conditional pick next year which would probably be a 3rd but could escelate to a 1st.

First of all, the conditions on which that 3rd became a 1st would likely involve CJ having the best year of his career AND the Redskins winning the Superbowl... Not gonna happen. But hey, if it did happen, would we really feel quite so bad about not having that 1st round pick? No. Regardless, that conditional third round pick would likely remain a 3rd round pick.

Secondly, remember that a 3rd round next year holds the value of a 4th round this year. So essentially, we're offering the value of a 1st and a 4th to the Bengals. Is that unreasonable for a perennial prow-bowler in his prime?

Third, our first rounder is near the bottom of the 1st round... and as things stand now, theres not a player who is likely to be available there that is really a good value for a position of need. We want out of that pick badly. If we don't get out of that pick, we're stuck gambling on a WR in rounds one or two... in a draft without any WRs who look to be stars. So, we're faced with a choice: Gamble a 1st rounder on a guy like sweed or give a 1st and a 3rd next year for a guy who you have every reason to expect will go to the pro-bowl every year for the next 3-4 years.

As to those that hate the "expense" of a veteran receiver like CJ as opposed to a rookie, remember that a rookie WR we select in the 1st round would sign a 5 year contract. A rookie WR in the 2nd round would sign a 4 year contract. Receivers generally take 3 years to develop, so depending on where we selected a receiver, we will only have the guy performing at his true ability for 2-3 years... afterwhich we are faced with signing him to the same type of contract we give CJ or losing him to free agency.

In the end, its a choice:

Get a guy who can help your team for 2-3 years, but who likely won't do anything for your team NOW

OR

give up the value of a 4th rounder for a guy who is almost certain to have 1000+yard seasons this year, and the next 4-5 years.

Again, I'm just playing devils advocate here, but its not necessarily as horrible a deal as we make it out to be.

chris_zz...

I'll let your little insult and play on my name go since I'm in a good mood.

Answer my questions 3?

1) Does Chad Johnson make your team better now?

2) Do you any of you fake GM's have the patience to wait for a WR to develop before you'll boo at Fed EX?

3) Are the Redskins never supposed to sign free agents?

beepidy beep

talkshowhost...

You said it in a nutshell...

I'm tired of trying to win with altar boys!!! So what if the guy showboats. I love Santana, but spinning the ball after a 6 yard 1st down is a lot different than CJ's celebrations after 6 points.

Go get him!

The fact of the matter is, nobody knows what they're getting in the draft no matter where they pick (Ryan Leaf). It's a crap shoot and you hope for the best.

But the more picks you have, the better your chances of finding good, quality players, even if they're just special teamers or role players. 9 picks is a lot, but we have a lot of holes to address. CJ is a nice WR, but not worth the price of a #1 and a #3 (or another #1). If it was a 4th rounder then I'd say "Sure, go ahead... oh wait, you already traded that away for Duckett. How'd that work out?"

The saddest thing is that Snyder seems to need to feed his ego with a huge splash that gets a ton of attention and most of the time the reaction is that he made a boneheaded move. Which then fuels the next round of trade talk so he can try and make up for it. Time to try something new.

Greg,

I was talking about general reporting standards. And I seem to remember Jason reporting that Fassel was the leading candidate, which was probably true. He never reported that he was hired.

Plus if 2 credible news agencies report it, I generally take it as good information.

The most pertinent comment here is that the Patriots got Randy Moss for a 4th rounder. Just how are the Skins valuing FAs? A #1 and a #3? Are they that stupid or that hopeful?

Answers to Sicwidit's questions:

1 - Yes, no question Chad Johnson turns our mediocre potential wild card squad into a probable wild card squad

2 - Probably not. Then again, avoiding boos should not be the goal. Do you think we won't boo chad when he drops a big one (it happens)?

3 - Certainly they should sign free agents. Of course, Chad Johnson is NOT a free agent. He is under contract with Cinci. If they trade he will be under contract with the Redskins. But we will resign him to a ton more money anyway for no reason whatsoever.

chris_zz...

I'll let your little insult and play on my name go since I'm in a good mood.

Answer my questions 3?

1) Does Chad Johnson make your team better now?

2) Do you any of you fake GM's have the patience to wait for a WR to develop before you'll boo at Fed EX?

3) Are the Redskins never supposed to sign free agents?

Posted by: sicwidit | April 22, 2008 12:31 PM

sure, i'll answer your questions... but the answers are obvious to anyone with even a small amount of NFL knowledge.
1. who knows... probably but maybe not. CJ might not be as good here as in CIN; might get hurt. he was injured for part of last season and dropped at least a dozen passes. his skills and health are declining due to age... big surprise there.
2. WR is one of the quickest positions in the league to make impact. how did bolden do his first year? how about colston? what's your plan when CJ craps out in a year or 2? trade another 1st (two 1sts?) for another 30-something WR? good plan... sheer genius.
3. here's where you sound retarded. first of all CJ is not a FA. second, it all depends on the value. just because i don't want to mortgage my house to buy a $100k used rolls royce doesn't mean i don't want to buy a car.

1st and 3rd for a 29 year old who has always played with an elite second reciever? No thanks.

Bengals won't trade him just to make a point anyway. If you have one spoiled child throwing a trantrum and he gets what he wants...all the other spoiled children take notice.

same old stupid danny boy & his idjit sidekick.

if you're going to trade a lot of picks, get a younger player.

if you're going to tie up a ton of cap room, sign a free agent and don't give up high draft picks.

if you're going to bet the franchise on a guy, don't take a guy who has taken a swing at his head coach and puts himself before the team

what a joke. the only thing dumber than this move are the jokers who think a) jasno hates the skins for pointing out the dumb moves the front office made and b) that jasno didn't call this shot long before anyone else

if you love the skins you have to hope the front office realize their dumb ways... i love ya jasno for trying.

Last Thursday??????

Glad the local newspaper (Post) is the last to report on this.

You guys have been SLACKING this offseason.

You may not think there is much news but there is.

Any update on the wellbeing of Wilbur Marshall? Think Jason or Jason could give the guy a phone call and ask about his life story since leaving the NFL. Would be interesting....since there seems to be no other news in Redskin Land.

Just what we need, another high priced, hot headed receiver. Anyone remeber Rod Gardner? Dosen't the past teach Snyder anything?

Another less than top notch job from J La...as we have all come to expect at the Redskins Insider

way to get the scoop from ESPN.com...none of the folks on your blog ever check at that underground little site they have.

I can't wait to see the post about how difficult your life has been and how it kept you from being an insider and hear all the JLC appologist talk about the brilliant hard work you were doing recycling a crappy snyder bashing post instead of being a reporter.

Cindy please save us from this dope!

To compare Chad Johnson to Randy Moss is absolutely crazy. Look at the numbers. Another terrible move by the Redskins. This franchise has sunk to a new low.

The Skins need a explosive player that can pump up their anemic offense. If not Cinco Ocho, then who?

TAMPERING...the Skins are a bunch of idiots! Are you really dumb enough to leak the fact you want to pay him $21 mil in guarantees?

Unreal. I love Little Danny Snyder.

Jason, you forgot to say this is tampering. What are you waiting for? Someone else to report it?

The Skins need a explosive player that can pump up their anemic offense. If not Cinco Ocho, then who?

Posted by: audreyelizabeth | April 22, 2008 1:37 PM

if you're going to trade 2 picks and pay $21 mil you can should be able to land a much younger version of CJ who doesn't fight with his coach and teammates... Larry Fitzgerald? Anquan Boldin? Roy Williams? Andre Johnson?

don't waste picks on a guy who is going to be a #2 receiver in 3 years bc of age

don't spend the cap room and ALSO give up picks

don't bet the franchise on a trouble-maker

The Skins need a explosive player that can pump up their anemic offense. If not Cinco Ocho, then who?

Posted by: audreyelizabeth | April 22, 2008 1:37 PM

if you're going to trade 2 picks and pay $21 mil you can should be able to land a much younger version of CJ who doesn't fight with his coach and teammates... Larry Fitzgerald? Anquan Boldin? Roy Williams? Andre Johnson?

don't waste picks on a guy who is going to be a #2 receiver in 3 years bc of age

don't spend the cap room and ALSO give up picks

don't bet the franchise on a trouble-maker

Last year's play-off team was built on character, not "characters." CJ is the biggest ME FIRST player in the NFL (Hall of Fame Class of 20??.) 2 first rounders for him is nuts. It also does nothing to get the team younger. As a Skins fan, I have enough trouble reading about his antics while he is a member of the team that I have lived and died with for 50 years. Vinnie, we don't need another Dieon!

Jasno has no inside sources anymore. . . no contacts, nothing fresh to offer.

They will change the name of this blog to "The Redskins Outsider" soon.

The Skins need a explosive player that can pump up their anemic offense. If not Cinco Ocho, then who?

Posted by: audreyelizabeth | April 22, 2008 1:37 PM

miss audrey:
congratulations! you have captured the football thinking of Snyder/Cerrato perfectly. may i introduce you to the concept of the draft... it's where teams get good young players. it's where cj came from many years ago. cool concept, no?

Chad Johnson is a stud. He can stretch the field and work the middle. If they can land him, they should. Personally i get sick of seeing 9 man fronts.

Just what we need, another high priced, hot headed receiver. Anyone remeber Rod Gardner? Dosen't the past teach Snyder anything?
Posted by: mriley0223 | April 22, 2008 1:14 PM

Rod Gardner? He was never high priced (played only his rookie contract) or hot headed. He just ended up sucking after his 2nd year and was irrelevant afterwards. You must be thinking of Michael Westbrook or most recently with Brandon Loyd.

No kidding. You can't compare Chad to Westbrook or Gardner. Those guys were awful. You might as well throw Albert Connell in with that group.

chris-zz

Why must I be retarded? That's twice...you're really pushin' me chris-zz

CJ is one of the top 3 receivers in the league. He has had more receptions and receiving yards than T.O. every year since 2003.

I think it's also unfair to compare this trade to the Randy Moss trade. First off, the fact that the Patriots were only getting 1 contract year out of him going into that trade hurt whatever leverage Oakland had in the deal, and essentially gave up a 4th rounder for 1 year rental. Also, I don't think that you could make the case that Chad has ever not given his full effort as was the case with Randy (only 2,325 receiving yards in 42 games from 2004 - 2006). Chad hasn't had a year with less than 1,000 yards receiving since his rookie year in 2001.

I won't be heart broken if this deal doesn't work out seeing as how the team needs to start getting younger on the offensive and defensive lines, but there is a lot of upside for the Redskins in obtaining Chad.

A trade for Chad Johnson will destroy the Redskins, and they will suffer the consequences of this stupid trade for years!

He is a selfish, drama queen. This is such a dumb move.

What is Chad Johnson's Yards after the Catch? He's lame! Just like L. Sweed, whenever he catches one over the middle he dives to the ground. He is not warrior. He's a showgirl.

There isn't a word in the dictionary to describe how unintelligent and naive Redskin fans are that still support this terrible owner and his crony front office.

NO! NO! NO! to Ocho Cinco!

They aren't going to give all that up for him.

They're just driving up the price, creating a bidding war so Dallas can't get him cheap.

It's smart.

They aren't going to give all that up for him.

They're just driving up the price, creating a bidding war so Dallas can't get him cheap.

It's smart.

Posted by: Shaun | April 22, 2008 4:36 PM

Sorry man, but I think that the Bengals are as smart as you're giving them credit for. If history is any indication then the team will not deal Johnson, no matter what they're offered.

In fact Mike Brown's inability to be flexible is a huge reason why the Redskins were able to get two top 5 picks in 2000.

Brown calls Akili over Saints' 9 picks 'a wash'
http://bengals.enquirer.com/2000/01/16/ben_brown_calls_akili.html

Yet, Brown is still convinced the decision to draft Smith with the third pick and turn down the New Orleans Saints' offer of nine draft choices (first and third through seventh rounds in '99, first-rounders in 2000 and 2001 and a second in 2002) will hold up under the test of time.

*correction*

Sorry man, but I think that the Bengals aren't as smart as you're giving them credit for. If history is any indication then the team will not deal Johnson, no matter what they're offered.

Maybe I'm not that smart either

Grrrrrrrr never mind, the point is if the Bengals were able to resist an offer for 9 draft picks that included three first rounders a second rounder and a third rounder, then don't expect Brown to budge on Chad Johnson. He's not waiting for a better offer, he's being an idiot.

Hello Everyone,

Vinny wanting to make his own big splash; big mark by offering 2 RD #1 Choices?

Have they lost their minds?
CJ is a malcontent.
If Randy Moss went for a #4 RD choice, why don't the Skins simply offer a #2 and wait and see if anyone offers any more?

We do have other needs we need to fill, Vinny! You are supposed to be building a "team" not focusing on getting one player!

and yet everyone complains when jason points out the mistakes of the front office and calls him a hater... i hope he yells and screams as much as he can about this. if we stopped fassel from becoming coach maybe we can de-rail this trade

I agree it is a lot of pick value, and it looks like cincy isn't willing anyway, but you must not have been watching this guy play.
He is a hard worker. And he is like a human gumby the way he lays out for the ball or tiptoes the sideline, runs perfect routes, separates at the line from aggresive DBs, and is lightning fast (as long as nobody is getting ready to hit him!). He can be a #1 WR on any team in the league. The Redskins need that. He will make your QB look a lot better too.

Personally, I hope they keep him, he will suck it up and go back to work, he always does.

Why would you inanely report who the Redskins are interested in today's edition?

Geez!

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