These guys are so young. Theyll still have a life after. Yet they took one!! Justice not served?!?!

Anon,

its all about pre-meditation. Florida is stern in terms of their guidlines for any armed incident but at the same time, they have limitations about ages etc.. that other states dont have.

If you think about it, this guy was the wheel man, in a group who wasn't attempting to murder ST, just rob him. SO this guy now becomes complicit in a murder he wasn't (directly) a part of, but did attempt to hide.

So he got 29 years just for knowing that they killed him and for being the driver.

I suspect the others will get life without parole, which is sometimes better than just the death penalty b/c they have the rest of their life to contemplate how one stupid decision F'ed up their life for good.

They should be punished but we must accept that no matter what is done to these boys No 21 will not come back. 29 years for the getaway driver to me seems about right, so long as the trigger man gets life.

Also now with one guy willing to rat on his friends I am guessing everyone will step up and say who actually fired the shots.

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/timeserv/annual/section3.html
Average Florida Sentancing:
Burglary

Offenders who commit a burglary crime will serve significantly more time in prison today (4.3 years in FY 2003-2004) than at any time over the past 25 years. This current 4.3 years average time served for burglars is 290.9% higher than the low of 1.1 years in FY 1987-1988 (chart 24).

Armed burglars will serve an average of 8.4 years in prison under the minimum 85% of sentence served policy in FY 2003-2004 compared to an average of 2.6 years in FY 1988-1989 when Florida was forced to invoke early prison release (chart 25).

*puts down his toast with peanut butter*

Ugh....

Murder and Manslaughter

Offenders who have been sentenced to prison for murder or manslaughter will serve an average of 19.1 years in prison under the minimum 85% of sentence served policy compared to 13.1 years under the old parole system and 12.2 years when early prison release existed (chart 8).

Murder and manslaughter offenders sentenced to prison in FY2003-2004 will serve an average of 20.5 years, compared to 12.2 years in FY1980-1981 and 9.8 years in FY1987-1988 (chart 9).

Offenders convicted today of Second Degree Murder will serve more time in prison today, 21.6 years. They will serve significantly more time than the low of 6.5 years in FY1986-1987 (chart 11).

According to these stats sounds like he is being charged with Armed robbery and Second Degree Murder.

In other words sounds like his lawyer did not get him any deal for agreeing to testify.

In other words sounds like his lawyer did not get him any deal for agreeing to testify.

Zeese, his lawyer got him out of life in prison. I doubt the DA needed a plea deal. He just knew he would go down with them, and instead offered up the plea to avoid the full sentence and dime the others out.

Sadly, he wont survive long by being a rat...

Stupid is as stupid does.

I still would like to know how a group of kids from 300 miles away end up casing an underpriced/under secured neighborhood without local help!!

I would love to hear the story on the cases here... who's saying what to whom. What gang connections there are. etc.

I was closely following the Hans Reiser case on WIRED.com. Anyone know any blogs on this case specifically?

Well Zebra, I am no fancy big city lawyer though I come from a family of fancy big city lawyers. But if he was the driver which I think he was, could he not appeal a verdict of life as too extreme a punishment for their role? In fact I would think that a verdict of Lw/oP can be appealed by anyone who did not do the shooting and have a good chance at being overturned.

He must be getting something else other, visitation rights or something.

I still can't believe he's gone.

Dik;

At least one of them had been at a party at his house, so they may have known where to look from that.

Also one of them mowed his lawn a few times I think.

Zeese;

I would figure they could. But why admit to being the driver then, after a life conviction and take the chance it is not lessened and just come out and say he was the driver now?

My take is, they would all go down and the attorney knew that.

So he said, admit to being the driver. He may not be giving anyone else up, just that he is admitting he was the driver to avoid the L w/o P.

I hear ya Anon2...
Those kids made a stupid mistake. One less father without Sean to try to steer the youth in a different direction than they all seem to be heading sucks.
Where are the fathers these days whipping the fear of god into their sons backsides early often so they don't turn into idiots capable of such bonehead crimes?
Oh yeah probably in prison or simply not taking responsibility for the little monsters they have brought into the world...
RIP 21.

Sean Taylor should have been wielding a .45, or a 12 gauge shotgun, not a machete.

-RIP-

81
I believe we have 4 extra tix for the game.

Posted by: CLEGG | May 14, 2008 11:01 AM

Doubt this is the place to ask, but I'm looking for 2 -- what're you asking for them?

Weren't some of the guys at a party at ST's house that his sister was throwing? That stuff happens all the time at college parties. Kids show up to houses/apartments and don't know anybody there. They look around for things to steal (if not stealing things then and there).
Sounds like the same thing. Except these kids thought they were thugs and somebody brought a gun.

dumb + guns = no good

Guns + Self Defense = Still Alive

Sorry didnt mean for that last comment to be annon. That was me !!

I still can't believe he is gone. I have had R.I.P #21 Sean Taylor on my back windsheild since the day he died, and I intend to keep it there, until I no longer have this car. This season will be hard to watch without 21

Thank you Bill !!!!

I find the vengeance fantasies to be pretty sickening, especially the prison rape stuff.

Sean Taylor was murdered, and the kids involved in his death are being brought to justice. That's enough for me.

One man's opinion.

-Nate in the PDX

Laziness+Dumb=Life of Crime.

81 - I bought tix from Ricky Bobby last season. Fair deal, respectable guy (Don't believe everything Lisa tells you).

Although the stinkin' Skins blew the Giants game with the excellent play calling on the goal line. It made for a very disappointing Sunday night drive home. I got stuck in the parking lot next to a Gints tail gate with everyone wearing #10 and #80 jerseys.

Tools.

Laziness+Dumb=Life of Crime.

Posted by: Greg | May 15, 2008 10:45 AM

Or

Laziness+Dumb=Blogging on RI ?

Chia Pet - ST has a machete because he was not allowed to have a gun (I believe it was from the ATV shabingus).

If he did wield a gun to protect himself, he'd been in jail. Still better than death, but I really did respect ST for not having a gun.

ST didnt have a gun at the house because of his earlier cases involving the stolen SUV. usually in a plea deal they make you turn in your firarms. I beleive he was on probation for like 5 years. which just goes to show that he was abbiding by the law of having no firearms.

Sad

Anyone who believes he will actually serve at least 80% of the 29 years is kidding themselves. This guy will be out of jail by the time he's 30, and have his whole life ahead of him.

Justice not served. Not by a long shot.

Folks:

Under the Felony Murder Rule, the fact that the defendant was "only" driving the car and was not the shooter is irrelevant. The premeditation to participate in a felony, armed robbery in this case, even as the wheelman, is sufficient to constitute the necessary degree of culpabilty for the murder which ensued in the course of the felony. The same woud apply if a uninvolved person was killed in a hot pursuit traffic accident after the robbery took place. I think the plea to a second degree charge is a pretty good deal for this defendant under the circumstances.

What is this world coming to? These young men felt is was easier to steal from a person, committ murder, to get what.... a few hundred dollars apiece. These kids now days feel like... well, they won't catch me... etc. But, if you committ a crime... more than likely you will get caught...and have to do time in jail. No more Mcdonald's, Pizza Hut..., hanging out with the ladies... no clubs... no life... no dreams... no vacations... no freedom.... all for what? So if you are a young person, or any person of age... why committ a crime... THEY WILL CATCH YOU.... AND YOU WILL DO TIME.... "THINK...IS IT WORTH IT? NO...

trust me he will not be out by the time he is 30. Florida keeps building prisons just to avoid overcrowding. They want these people to serve all of their time. Florida hasn't had an early release system since 1993. In 94 the stiffened it to where you serve at least 65% of your time for nonviolent offenses. More if your crime was violent. In 1998, everybody that got sentenced, regardless of crime, had to serve 85% of their sentence. It hasn't changed since. The only new addition is the 10-20-Life law that they instituted which is even more strict.

These guys will serve their time. And this driver probably got the least of what is to come.

In addition to my last comment. If you are going to shoot at someone...knowing that you may kill that person... in commission of a crime... why do that...? If you want to shoot and kill someone... then put your urge to something productive... join the military and go to Iraq .... and see if you're as bad as you think you are here on the streets, when they shoot back.

Florida will be tough on criminals as long as it has a Republican governor. Put a Democrat in office and all the punks will be on the streets and the honest people will be behind bars to protect themselves.

I disagree with your 11:11AM statement, Barno.

-Nate in the PDX

On some level I don't even want to know about what is going on with this trial. No matter what happens to them, it won't bring Sean back, and that is really what makes me sad. It also makes me sad to know that these kids are going to spend a significant portion of their lives behind bars. I want justice served just as much as the next guy, and I am fairly confident that they will get what they deserve. But is wanting "justice" to be served really hoping that these kids become someone's "companion" in prison? What they did was awful, don't get me wrong, but I can't sit here and root for them to get shivved in the prison yard or raped in the shower. That's just not cool with me.

Anyone who believes he will actually serve at least 80% of the 29 years is kidding themselves. This guy will be out of jail by the time he's 30, and have his whole life ahead of him.

Justice not served. Not by a long shot.

Posted by: Barno | May 15, 2008 10:59 AM

Barno, They have a law saying that you cannot serve less then 85% of your term in Florida from a murder charge.

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/timeserv/annual/section3.html

I hate Sean Taylor is gone. My prayers are still with his family.

Some posters need to remember, Sean was no primadonna. He was on probation for the 4 wheeler incident and could not possess firearms. I commend him for following those instructions.

As far as the sentencing and laws of Florida are concerned....I lean towards the DA doing the correct thing and seems like Pete Taylor was in agreement.

I'm baffled over why these guys traveled 300 miles to rob and how one was mowing his lawn. (was he local or did he drive 300 miles to mow ST's lawn???) I still think there's more to this story than has come out. We may never know the real truth...I wonder if anyone does...other than the ones directly involved.

Sean was a direct product of his society and until social changes can be made, these things will always happen. Tragic as it is.

Hi Barno, interesting to see you back.

Isn't the WaPo politics blog called 'The Fix' or something? Or maybe you'd like to join Dubya in conflating a Democrat Presidential win in November with "we will be attacked again? Meaning "You and your children will die because you voted the wrong way"?

Ugh. I see no evidence that Florida will change their sentencing policies, what's your evidence?

Barno the dems are the ones who tend to be harder on many crimes these days, Clinton was far more hardline on the war on drugs then Bush Senior or Jr. I think three strikes rule was a democratic innovation as well but don't exactly remember.

lets not turn this into a political blog.
I have a question, what does anyone think of turning our prisoners especially the violent ones into another branch of the armed service.
I am just saying all this over crowding in prisons but we cant get enough people to join the military. Maybe people would stop committing crimes if they new instead of Three hots and a cot, and talking to other criminals about how to commit new crimes, they had to go to Iraq where they had to fight for their life everyday.

What I would give for a new thread right now, on ANY topic but this one... ugh.

-Nate in the PDX

How loathsome it is to see a banner ad for Front Sight Firearms Training Institute on this page, atop this thread... good grief.

I sure as hell hope that's an accident, because if not it's in incredibly poor taste.

-Nate in the PDX

I'm not sure how you'd install discipline into those people GO, or how you'd stop them absconding while on basic training, or just committing crimes on-camp for that matter.

Creating an underclass of "kill or go back to prison" soldiers seems like a recipe for needing to be in a perpetual war somewhere just to keep these people busy.

It might appear to be an intellectually attractive idea, but real life's not like the Dirty Dozen or whatever the old war-film was. To my mind the last thing you want to do with people like that is give them more/bigger guns.

All right, I'll stop complaining. Sorry, folks.

-Nate in the PDX

Might be time to stop blogging for a while until the thread changes Nate. And I include myself in that.

Amen Nate & Gerrard.

Great One - The idea of putting convicts in to military service is tempting, but would you want to be in the country that is being "protected" by them? Yikes.

lets not turn this into a political blog.
I have a question, what does anyone think of turning our prisoners especially the violent ones into another branch of the armed service.
I am just saying all this over crowding in prisons but we cant get enough people to join the military. Maybe people would stop committing crimes if they new instead of Three hots and a cot, and talking to other criminals about how to commit new crimes, they had to go to Iraq where they had to fight for their life everyday.

Posted by: Great One | May 15, 2008 11:21 AM

You've already gotten a good glimpse of what happens when you arm the bad guys in Iraq.

I will miss ST. Not for myself as a fan of the Redskins but as a black man missing from his household. His daughter will never know the example a daddy can show. That is real. All of this killing of ourselves is meaningless and we only hurt us. I pray that God uses this loss to create brighter and wiser brothers.

lets not turn this into a political blog.
I have a question, what does anyone think of turning our prisoners especially the violent ones into another branch of the armed service.
I am just saying all this over crowding in prisons but we cant get enough people to join the military. Maybe people would stop committing crimes if they new instead of Three hots and a cot, and talking to other criminals about how to commit new crimes, they had to go to Iraq where they had to fight for their life everyday.

Posted by: Great One | May 15, 2008 11:21 AM

No soldier is ever a good soldier when they are forced to fight.

Clinton was far more hardline...

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 15, 2008 11:20 AM

Clinton? Give us a break. The only thing Clinton was hard on was Monica Lewinsky. He's the President who sold all the pardons as he left office.

GO- It has been tried in the past by other empires with poor results depending on your POV, I think the brits did it in WW1. It would immediately lead to our failure in Iraq for example, nothing gets the support of the locals against you like sending a bunch of rapists and psychos with guns into their neighborhood. Then again our popularity there is about 1%. Also the officers would be spending most of their time trying to keep armed criminals in line.

It only works in bad si-fi movies.

Better yet, how about if prison's became self sustaining, and weren't such a burden on the tax-paying portion of society.

Grow their own food, generate their own electricity, produce something in some way that makes them not having to rely on everyone else who chose to NOT commit crimes.

What if the families of the person whom committed the crime had to foot the bill for their incarceration? What if the person whom committed the crime, once they were released from prison had their wages garnished until their actual, "debt" was repaid?

Go to college. It will cost money

Buy a house. It will cost money

Go to prison. Not so much

Good greg until you brought up the families. THey should eb held responsible even if their upbringing was an issue, and especially if it wasnt the issue

Now more than ever,

That is a great argument Redcoat but let me argue the alternative. In prison we are not giving them physical guns but mental ones. most criminals go to jail for their first stint and hook-up with some long lifer and career criminal who explains to them how to do more crimes and usually more crimes for a bigger payday. so when that first timer gets out he has been armed with a new arsenal of crimes and how to commit them. I ask you who would you like re-training a criminals brain, a lifer in prison or a sergeant of captain in the military?

that should say 'shouldnt be held responsible'

Greg, We can build it and call it Australia

greg, that would make a heck of a reality show.

Alex, is that what Austrailia does? I'm being serious because I was unaware if that is the case.

Sorry, I agree with one thing Barno said, Clinton did the super Pardoning as he left office.

But then again this is why I always say abolish the party system. Too many people are hung up on these old party lines that their elected officials dont follow, so why vote based on them.

Political talk OVER

Greg,

Australia is where the UK sent all of it's convicts back in the day to fend for themselves.

Australia was built as a prison colony by Britain, dude didn't you ever watch the Simpsons?

Greg, I think Zeese was referring to Australia being created as a british prisoner colony, then it sprang into a country.

You know kost has some treason in his blood somewhere ;)

Actually etrod you are only partially correct.

Before we sent them to Australia (we didn't discover it until 1770-something) we were packing them off to DelMarVA!!!

Thanks for updating me guys, and no, don't watch the Simpsons, at all really.

I guess we can all agree that its an imperfect system at best.

Zebra, if anyone here is starting the revolution against the 2 party system its me.

BONG!

Hey welcome back Barno....

Never vote for a party, voter for who you beleive is the best person for the job. take the time and listen to each candidate then make a decision. to many people make a decison then listen.

if anyone here is starting the revolution against the 2 party system its me.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 15, 2008 11:41 AM

And what will you replace it with? The one party system, the three party system, the birthday party system, or the frat party system? I'm for the last, myself.

How about the Rock and Roll all night and party everyday system?

Clinton pardoned 450+ people all together, 150+ on his last day.

Bush 2 has 150+ right now. HW 75. You can expect that Bush 2 will do a mass pardon his last day too, thats a honored tradition for presidents.

Most pardons are for people who do your dirty work when in office, and all the numbers when compared to the 2 million people we have in prison is very very small.

Can we all agree that the political system is flawed, I mean when this young gentleman gets out of jail 30 years from now he can still go to college and apply for financial aid and get a degree, but if this same young gentleman had went to jail for selling drugs and not murder he could not get financial aid. I am not here to argue right or wrong on murder or drugs, but I find it odd that you can kill someone and get help to go to school but if you sell drugs they wont help you. just a thought,

I would replace it with a direct democracy.

Personally I'd go for the Slumber Party system as a way to make the world a better place.

http://www.slumberparties.com/

That said, my vote is between me and my conscience. Oh hang on, I don't have one!! Does that mean I don't have to have a conscience either then?

Alex,

Do you think that when he leaves office, Bush will pardon Jason La Canfora for dumping on the Redskins too much? Or, do you think Jason doesn't have enough money to buy that pardon?

Before we sent them to Australia (we didn't discover it until 1770-something) we were packing them off to DelMarVA!!!

Posted by: Redcoat | May 15, 2008 11:40 AM

No, not to DelMarVa. The Dutch settled Delaware. The Catholics settled Maryland under a grant from the King of England. Virginia was English Crown-funded exploration and establishment of the new world.

The place you are looking for Georgia. The majority of Brit convicts were shipped there.

Readcoat you do get to vote for the monarchy if you so choose though dont ya?

Do you think that when he leaves office, Bush will pardon Jason La Canfora for dumping on the Redskins too much? Or, do you think Jason doesn't have enough money to buy that pardon?

Posted by: talent evaluator | May 15, 2008 11:56 AM

Maybe now that the Post has canned Kornheiser as a writer, they will give LaCanfora a promotion and Jason won't need a pardon.

JLC will not get a pardon because he is associated with the skins and I dunno if he is a GOP or a Donkey.

The place you are looking for Georgia. The majority of Brit convicts were shipped there.

Posted by: James Oglethorpe | May 15, 2008 11:59 AM

And, as a Georgia Tech graduate, I emphasize that native Georgians -- descendants of British criminals -- go to the University of Georgia. Georgia Tech is for out of state students as well as the descendants of prison guards.

Oh and I know Cindy liked Tony but I personally think it was time to move on. Let Tony and Mike go to the TV.

FYI:

A buy out is not a can....

NFL Salary & Home Security System = still alive & safe

ST's immature insistance on staying 'home' cost him & his family the ultimate price.

...and this from a Defensive Specialist - geez.

too sad.

No, not to DelMarVa. The Dutch settled Delaware. The Catholics settled Maryland under a grant from the King of England. Virginia was English Crown-funded exploration and establishment of the new world.

Posted by: James Oglethorpe | May 15, 2008 11:59 AM

I believe you're at least partly mistaken James. Delaware was name for Lord De La Warre, an English aristocrat.

There were many people who took the trip to Jamestowne as an alternative to 'doing time' from the very earliest colonists onwards. And the colonisation of Virginia was paid for by private money raised by "The Virginia Company" which was granted a license by the King of England.

NFL Salary & Home Security System = still alive & safe

ST's immature insistance on staying 'home' cost him & his family the ultimate price.

...and this from a Defensive Specialist - geez.

too sad.

Posted by: Dik | May 15, 2008 12:10 PM

That's about the ultimate Dikiness -- trying to blame Sean Taylor for his own death. Where is your head at?

Delaware was settled by Dutch and Swedes. The English came later, and with military force to rename the place.

From the Wiki:

The Dutch were the first Europeans to settle in present-day Delaware by establishing a trading post at Zwaanendael, near the site of Lewes in 1631. Within a year all the settlers were killed in a dispute with area Indian tribes. In 1638, a Swedish trading post and colony was established at Fort Christina (now in Wilmington) by Dutchman Peter Minuit at the head of a group of Swedes, Finns and Dutch. Thirteen years later, the Dutch, reinvigorated by the leadership of Peter Stuyvesant, established a new fort in 1651 at present-day New Castle, and in 1655 they took over the entire Swedish colony, incorporating it into the Dutch New Netherland.

Clinton pardoned big money donors after they were in the joint for no apparent political purpose.

Bush pardoned Scooter Libby before he was even sentenced ... in gratitude for keeping a lid on the WMD lies.

Lesson: Mid-level liars who cover for more-highly placed liars walk ... journalists who cover for those mid-level liars go to the joint.

No, not to DelMarVa. The Dutch settled Delaware. The Catholics settled Maryland under a grant from the King of England. Virginia was English Crown-funded exploration and establishment of the new world.

The place you are looking for Georgia. The majority of Brit convicts were shipped there.

Posted by: James Oglethorpe | May 15, 2008 11:59 AM

I love the Olgelthorpe reference. He had this bizaarre set of theories about prisoner reform - Georgia as a utopian reformist society etc. Didn't really work out that way.

Thats why we need to dissolve the executive branch. And the Legislative.. and judicial

I stand corrected! I shall be Dela-wary of getting into a historical debate with you guys in the future!

I guess the Brits rewrote history (and renamed it too) when we booted the Dutch out.

i love Snake Pliskin, and his views on the penal system...

Redcoat,

There's also the matter of New Amsterdam which became New York. And countless others, too numerous to recall here, even if I could recall them.

Peg Leg Pete was a mean ole' cuss!

Taylor was an overrated player with mediocre skills at best.

F Miami ken

Thanks for the slumber party link Redcoat.

It's a bright spot in an otherwise dull gray thread.

Eye for an Eye

I can't believe that these White kids could do such a horrible crime!!!

Miami Ken is a low-class individual with no discernible skills of which to speak.

leaves the whole world blind

SKIPPY ALMOST SHOTTED

Hi My name is skippy and I have a metal plate in my head. I live in a doublewide with Mama and the twins of my dead sister. My best friend is Floyd, the truck drivin' man. I really really like Lemon Meringue Pie.

Skippy has had to read all the rocket sturgeons over simply frying the issues of Gub Control and who should be strapped and who should have to shoot the other one. And a fine kettle of soup that is.

Well here's a little antidotal evidence to stir the part.Many people ask me, they ask: "Skippy (that's me) how come why do you have a mental plate in your head? And if so, why not?"

And Skippy replies honestly. Skippy can be honest because Skippy has no intentions of becoming the next president of the U.S. America, because he feels it's already messed up enough.

Skippy's reply as to how come why he has a metal plate in his head is "Elective surgery."

Meanwhile several years after the sturgeon operated, Skippy was cleaning his gub collection. First he cleaned his Grock with Oxydol. Next, his genuine Civilized War Muskelunge was cleaned. This one shot weapon requires the soldier to put his balls up his barrel then push them all the way in with a stiff rod before he shoots it off. These weapons was used in the Where Between the States and resulted in many deaths, mostly to the users, who was bayoneted while looking for their balls.

The trouble started when Skippy tried to clean his Smith & Weapon .38 Police Special Snug Nose Special. (Good rule of thumbs for gub owners: Always unload your gub first before you clean it, even if you don't know if you are loaded or not, which Skippy didn't."

To make a short story longer, Skippy started cleaning it as he usually do by first starting with the trigger guard, named after Roy Rogers Horse, Dale Evans. But Low and Beyond, the gub went off, and a bullet fired with a big bong.

And Skippy is hear to tell you, if it wasn't for the metal plate in his noggin he wouldn't be hear to tell you. The bullet re-crocheted off of the front stoop. All doublewides in the Trailor Pork have a Codicil requiring front stoops, although they can be installed in your rear exit, if you prefer. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)

Fortunately the gub was aimed away from Skippy, so the bullet didn't hit anything important other than Floyd's a$$, named Francis, the Talking A$$. Happily his a$$ wasn't hurt but Floyd did get in trouble because you're not supposed to have pets in the pork. (And if you've ever had your pork petted, you'll know why.)

So howsoever, did Skippy injure his self when how the bullet missed? Shut down and sit up and Skippy will tell you. See, Skippy realized what a dumb thing he'd just did and slapped hisself in his four heads with his open palm. Unfortunately, his open palm was still closed around the .38 police special at the time, which was also still in his hand.

The gub caroomed off his skull with a "clang," leaving it numb but Skippy unhurt. And Skippy has been a numbskull ever since.

Fondly,

Skippy

I am going to stop posting till we get a new thread and follow PDX's example. This thing feels of bad carma

me too

Stop with all these repeats of rip and I miss Sean, etc. He's dead and nothing is going to bring him back. Live with thugs, die with thugs. He wasn't exactly the type of person one would hold up as an example of a splendid human being.

I'm a MAN!

I'm FOURTY!

Thats "bad karma", and agreed..its lurking from here on out....

Posted by: Michael1945 | May 15, 2008 12:54 PM

Another moron arrives on the Bad Karma Express.

Sentence doesn't seem like any "deal" to me, but it doesn't bring back ST. His daughter will never know her father and his girlfriend/fiance will have to live without him. That's even a bigger tragedy than how many years his killers will get. I just hope that the shooter spends his life behind bars so that he never has a chance to hurt someone else.

Just one man's opinion.

Just a quick clearing of the nickname. The reasons:
I couldn't think of a better one (not too witty)
I was transplanted FROM Edgewater TO Ohio
It has the word Trans and Plant in it
Nobody else is named OhioTransplant

I just that I would share :) P.S. I am interested to see how this guy's information will affect the other pleas. 29 years is a lot, but it isn't an eye for an eye justice. I am not sure how I feel about it.

Lil Micheal1945, It is ashame the amount of hate you bring to this blog, ST was not a thug, you sir are a thug, becuase you cast judgement on someone that you have never met. People like you are the reason we have so much racism, sexism, classism. so you sir are the thug

I dunno, GO, rolling to a house & shooting it up over some ATV's is pretty thugish - even for Goulds.

F cL

Feel free to go back to wash post archives and other outlets for stories. he never shot it up. he confronted a guy who he believed stole his atv's. it was actually the guy who he confronted that shot at ST's stuff. then the guy filed charges on him saying ST shot at him. please feel free to read archives and police reports and correct me if I am wrong.

I love the Olgelthorpe reference. He had this bizaarre set of theories about prisoner reform - Georgia as a utopian reformist society etc. Didn't really work out that way.

Posted by: zornskins | May 15, 2008 12:22 PM

That's right. I think Georgia ended up a cracker factory.

These dirtbags all have a thug mentality. I hope prison is miserable for them.

There's also the matter of New Amsterdam which became New York.

Posted by: talent evaluator | May 15, 2008 12:27 PM

Why they changed it I can't say. People just liked it better that way.

They were in the house before and evidence seems to indicate they were looking for something specific, but it is not known or has not been released as to what that was.

f em all

* beep beep *

* sigh of relief *

-Nate in the PDX

lets hope they all get killed in jail

New Amsterdam it's become much too much
Till I have the possession of everything she touches
Till I step on the brakes to get out of her clutches
Till I speak double dutch to a real double duchess

"Sadly, he wont survive long by being a rat...
Posted by: Zebra | May 15, 2008 9:48 AM"

Sadly? Really? Who cares if he survives prison? Not because he's a rat but becuase he's worthless!

Give them all the chair. They are parasites on society...killing productive members of the community. They all deserve execution.

"He must be getting something else other, visitation rights or something.
Posted by: Alex35332 | May 15, 2008 9:57 AM"

Since he ratted out his buddies... protective custody maybe?

I don't understand why they are going to jail. One less thug off the streets, am I right? I am right, aren't I?

Love, your friendly white neighbor.

"Guns + Self Defense = Still Alive

Posted by: Chia Pet | May 15, 2008 10:28 AM"

Guns + Probation = Prison

ST was trying to straighten out his image and stay out of trouble...

All of them should see the gurney and the needle one last time.

To Michael1945

It is unfair for you to sit there in judgement about ST; Yes, he may not have been up to your standards, but being Human Beings, makes all prone to mistakes and mishaps in our lives. I take offense with your use of that old and worn out cliche: That he was a product of his environment. There are many people who are from the inner-city who go on to live productive lives. So, it's not where on is physically from, it's the role models in family and friends, and ultimately the choices that a person makes. From the looks of it, ST was beginning to mature as a man and as a human being, and if any of us could predict the future, do you think that some of the mistakes that we've all made in life could've been avoidable? Life happens, and it's the Human Condition that gives us reason to hopefully do the right thing. I don't feel sorry for those young men that committed this heinous crime, because if you're man enough to do the deed, then you should be man enough to serve the time. They collectively, had a choice, and that was not to rob ST and to go about life trying to find a job and improve upon their life. No one said life was a bed of roses, but we all work every day!

The death of this individual was a tragic occurence but just as tragic is the mentality of the young, black male of today who continues to believe that the "way to the top" (where ever the hell that is in their mind) is to rob and kill.
Diligence and hard work do not resonate with them.

And where are the Jesse Jacksons, Al Sharptons, the black pastors and the legions of black elected officials? They should be screaming from the high heavens for their contituents to cease this mayhem in their own race.

And I am tired of hearing about slavery - these young people of today know very little of the history of slavery and that it has been over for 150 years. Not only black people suffered from slavery but thousands of immigrants from all over the world migrated to this country and lived with poverty and prejudice and still they overcame it. Italians, Irish, Poles,Scandanavians, Germans,Asians and list is endless.

It is far past time that black America understand that you can't survive living off the government forever.

Death Penalty for all of them. We have to start getting real because prison doesn't work.

Because of the publicity surrounding this case, none of the defendants is going to get any slack. 29 years to the driver for damaging testimony works for me. 5 idiots ruined their lives and Taylor plays safety no more.

Punishment was not harsh enough. he may have only been the driver but he knew they went there with at least one gun and who knows what other weapons. These guys are all guilty of murder, not just the one who pulled the trigger.

Justice is simple: All the parts of a whole working at their best. This is the best we can do, a life for a life is not justice; that is not the best we can do.

Another black eye for South West Florida! Between the Gang Bangers and the Spanish Mafia it's not the place to live anymore. This is just the latest example from a long list of the inmates running the asylum like the "lords of Kaos" who killed their music teacher by blowing his head off when he answered his door or the 16 year old girl they raped and murdered then burned her body in an old refridgerator to cover up the crime. I wonder why the Red Sox are looking to bail on the area for spring training? Don't you want your kids to grow up in Naples/Fort Myers?

I despise seeing these animals referred to as "young men". They are not men by any stretch of the imagination. A man is a responsible, contributing member of society, which, these animals were not.

Shoot them all. It's a cost effective way to insure us all, that they will not bother us again.

No punishment will bring Sean back. I still remember the first time I met Sean, then a star safety at Miami. I was struck by how reserved he was. He was what you might even call a "homebody". These fools, regardless of their age robbed an innocent person of his right to live. His family will never be the same. We as his friends will never be the same. So these idiots caught in the web of greed took a life. So they should never again see the light of day.

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