I thought the Chargers signed Crummey ... what happened to him there?

Also, first.

Sounds like Jason has e-ness envy...

Reposting from the previous thread

Gentlemen,

I took it upon myself to very quickly photoshop up your proposed burgundy on burgundy uniforms and have uploaded the photo to the wiki (oh, and i joined the wiki in the process. Fun!)

I think burgundy on burgundy could work:
http://image.wetpaint.com/image/1/AHKXQqgqQ5UZGIzZq_SrUA65129

What were the other uniform ideas? Black pants? Black jerseys?

swb, how about burgundy socks and gold shoes?

I think that the "e" are superfluous rather than extraneous.

swb-

Here was one of the other color combinations. Please colorize the picture of Sean Taylor's uniform in which he is wearing the black socks. Thanks.

"My personal vote for a new home uniform is maroon jerseys and black pants. The helmets will also be maroon. The yellow is used only as an accent color on the jersey, and for things like gloves and shoes.

Road jerseys will probably be yellow or black, with maroon pants. Depends on what the other team is wearing."

Posted by: JZ | May 8, 2008 2:32 PM

This news is cause for couch-burning in College Park, right?

Okay, just checking before I give the okay to light that thing up.

-Nate in the PDX

where did that chode taster go?

swb - maybe it's just black tape over the socks. Anyway it is on the Sean Taylor tribute page. Thanks.

http://redskinsinsiders.wetpaint.com/page/Sean+Taylor+-+Rest+in+Peace

Like I said, this was the quick and dirty way to change the uniform colors, but here ya go sween, burgundy socks and gold shoes:
http://image.wetpaint.com/image/1/beE9eXpBjAO8G8jzmU2XeQ66535

JZ, I'll photoshop your idea a little later tonight. I'm curious to see what that'll look like, though

I think that the "e" are superfluous rather than extraneous.

Posted by: rgj21 | May 8, 2008 5:02 PM

Aren't both words synonyms for irrelevant?

Man, what's up with the Redskins signing Jason Goode? We don't need another pass-catching TE on the team. And why Goode? Does his family own an alarm clock company or something? This is some jive-ass stuff if you ask me.

If Jason Goode is any good, then Tyler Ecker and his un-good groin will not say "Oh Goode"

- .250

swb, thx.

other synonyms on the "e" ... unnecessary? silent? e-ish?

I don't think Crummey was 2nd team All-American, maybe 2nd team all-acc but definitely not 2nd team all-american.

Sounds like Jason has e-ness envy...

Posted by: | May 8, 2008 4:56 PM

Looks like you can't read and comprehend. This entry was posted by Jon DeNunzio.

Dec. 12, 2007

COLLEGE PARK, Md. - University of Maryland senior offensive guard Andrew Crummey earned All-America honors from the Associated Press on Tuesday, despite missing more than five games this season with a fractured fibula.

Crummey was a third-team choice after securing second team All-America honors from The Sporting News last week. He was also a second-team All-Atlantic Coast Conference choice this season.

I frown upon anonymous comments, but I appreciate the one directly above. Thanks for clarifying that, whoever you are ...

Jon DeNunzio
Sports editor, washingtonpost.com

According to the Chargers site, they never signed Crummey.

http://www.chargers.com/team/transactions/

Jon DeN, the bloggers up here not only frown on anonymous posters, we downright GLOWER at them.

I would like to see a white bottom yellow top, similar to the throwback but just switch the color scheme around. The throwback 75th anniversary uniform would make a good 3rd uniform, but at this point, i really like the tradition in how our uniform has stayed constant over the history of the team and do not want the top 2 choices to be changed

Bring back the alternate helmets with the spear

and I think Tyler Ecker will surprise alot of people this year. Reports out of ashburn are that he completely reshaped his body, got cut and bulked up significantly, so i expect him to make the roster as a third string tight end/ blocking tight end and for him to contribute heavily of special teams

" ... and I think Tyler Ecker will surprise alot of people this year. ..."

Posted by: riggo drill | May 8, 2008 5:35 PM

Ecker already has surprised alot of people ... by RE-injuring his groin after spending the entire previous season on the IR for it!

riggo drill -

Maybe you didn't hear, but Ecker missed last weekend's mini-camp with a groin muscle pull, which is basically the same thing that got him put on injured reserve last year. Don't look for Ecker to be around for too long. There's a good chance that as soon as he passes a physical, he will be cut.

Hey DeNunzio!

If that was you on the WaPo Draft show with TheCindy:

Nice job!

(And maybe if you do it again next year, you can get lots of former Redskins players as guests/commentators. Or maybe Smoot.)

sween- Jon DeN sorta works. I was also thinking along the lines of JDeN to keep it consistent with JLaC. Or maybe DeNun. What say you, Mr. washingtonpost.com Sports Editor?

And what the heck is a 'transom' anyway? Is that what Ronaldo has to pay to make his, um, situation go away?

- .250

And what the heck is a 'transom' anyway?

It's the back end of a boat, in some cases. You can hook an outboard to it.

Transom (architectural), the horizontal lintel or beam across a window, dividing it into stages or heights. In the U.S. it also can refer to a fixed window over a door or another window.

Transom (nautical), in naval architecture, is the surface that forms the stern of a vessel.

So this explains the silence by synder in the post season (predraft). since the draft. dare i say he might have had a game plan all along? no chad johnsons, but with the additions im anxious to see how we walk into the 2008 season. i just want to stack up against the girls. pac man who?

So now the RI group's lineup will be:

J-La
J-Reid
J-DeN
C-Bor
E-Gar

I really need to start proof reading my comments before i post. when I say he might have had a plan, im reffering to snyder. and i dont know why i have the sentance in there that says since the draft. ugh! sorry

4-12, looking back in recent weeks (trying to figure out how many TEs are currently on the roster), I get the feeling that the poster known as "JD" may be the Sports Editor above.

I had thought there were more TEs, but its only five: Cooley, Yoder, Fred Davis, Tyler Ecker, and now Jason Goode.

Another fun thing to do is to go the Skins site and click "roster" then "transactions" ... seems like Burl Toler is the big winner for getting signed and released multiple times. Also, is it news to anyone else that Jimmy Farris was on the roster again this past season from Nov. 15th to Dec. 15th?

Finally, thinking about Jesse Lumsden (as if a white guy could play halfback in the NFL!), I researched and learned that the first CFL preseason game is the second week of June and then after two more preseason games, their season starts ... they might be bringing out there talent just in time to get pilfered for NFL training camps!

Sorry, I forgot one:

P-Ten

Casey, don't forget P-Ten!

Sween - You must have been unconscious last fall. Farris was around long enough to make that Steinberg article on the Smoot nicknames.

The Skins signed another right guard (Crummey)? He's big (6-5, 311) and fairly fast (5.36-40), but don't they still need to find a backup left guard? The Skins already have Fabini, Wade, Rinehart, Geisinger, and Brown competing for backup RG or RG/RT. But I wonder -- just how easy it is for a guard to transition from the right to left side?

I suspect the Skins will keep three TEs this year: Cooley, Davis, and Yoder...

I used to have a big box of "Goode & Crummeys" at the movies when I was a kid. Lasted through an entire double feature.

All kidding aside, signing Crummey is a good move, as he is one of those players whose stock fell because he was dinged in his final year. Kind of like Golston and Monty. If he works out, great. if not, nothing ventured.

I play basketball twice a week, and have played for 13 years now, at some stages 4 games a week. I also run, ride and have played Aussie Rules. I have never had a soft tissue injury in my life, not even a strain. I also never stretch. I had heard that there is no proof that stretching actually helps, and found this article.

http://weighttraining.about.com/od/physicaltherapy/a/hamstring.htm

"Now this may seem like heresy to anyone who has been told to stretch their hamstrings to prevent hamstring injury, but there is no consistent evidence that a stretching program prevents hamstring injury or even that 'tight' hamstrings predispose to injury. Stretching may even make things worse in some circumstances"

Nice al burgundy unies. I say they should give it a shot. Still would rather see it with a gold pants thing.

What are the chances of the Skins trading for disgruntled and amazing DT Albert Haynesworth?

If anyone can do it, it's Diamond Dan!

O-Line Depth Chart: I'm hoping this is what it looks like come week 1.

LT: Samuals, Heyer, Fabini
LG: Kendall, Rhinehart, Fabini Brown
C: Rabach, Crummey
RG: Thomas, Rhinehart, Fabini, Brown
RT: Jansen Heyer, Fabini

I keep on hearing that Wade will be cut for salary cap/production reasons

Andrew is a steal as an undrafted free agent. He was an all-american, and had he not broken his fibula in the east-west shrine game he would be a 3rd or 4th round pick. Oh yeah, it was his second broken fibula in 4 months. He is completely healed and will make the team.

I thought it was hard for a guard to go to center.

RIV - I reckon you've got 1 player too many, last year we only had 9 O-Lineman on our roster. Don't forget Lorenzo Alexander will spend time on the Off. as well.

Crummey is an unfortunate last name... especially for a player on the fringe. Hope he far surpasses his label!

The Skins signed another right guard (Crummey)? He's big (6-5, 311) and fairly fast (5.36-40), but don't they still need to find a backup left guard? The Skins already have Fabini, Wade, Rinehart, Geisinger, and Brown competing for backup RG or RG/RT. But I wonder -- just how easy it is for a guard to transition from the right to left side?

Posted by: Siris | May 8, 2008 6:08 PM

As I stated in my previous post, Crummey has the potential to play Center, which is probably one of their main reasons for signing him, not to mention the success they had last year in developing Heyer.

Per ESPN Insider:
"Crummey also has seen action at center. Crummey has the versatility, athleticism and aggressiveness to develop into a valuable reserve that can provide depth at guard as well as center"

I'm suprised nobody picked up on this. Somebody noted that "Crummey" is an unfortunate last name, but I like the idea that the signed both at the same time. Kind of like a package deal. Sounds like some of these people think signing Crummey was a good idea but signing Goode was a crummy idea.

RIV - I reckon you've got 1 player too many, last year we only had 9 O-Lineman on our roster. Don't forget Lorenzo Alexander will spend time on the Off. as well.

Posted by: kost52 | May 8, 2008 6:57 PM

If you're counting Alexander then thats 10, but I listed 9, which is good to know after seeing that thats the same number of OL we had on the roster last year. Besides Alexander is an awesome blocking TE, but I think Brown, Crummey, and Rhinehart have more potential as Offensisve Lineman, in which case we should have Alexander split time between short yardage TE and DT.

On top of that I don't want to put Brown on the practice squad. I think he has a lot of potential working under Joe Bugel and the thought of someone picking him up off waivers scares me. On the other hand we might be able to get away with putting Crummey on the practice squad, but either way I'm glad to see we have a guy that we can possibly back up Rabach as he (Rabach) missed time during the Arizona and Green Bay games last year.

Either way Offensive Line is now a strength, assuming those 3 young guys develop into quality players, especially Rhinehart and Brown.

1-Samuels
2-Kendall
3-Rabach
4-Thomas
5-Jansen
6-Heyer
7-Rinehart
8-Crummey
9-Fabini
10-Brown

That burgundy/burgundy uni looks like pajamas. I don't want my guys running around in pjs.

Let's home Crummey isn't.

My bad I did have one to many. Oh well when it comes to our O-Line you can never have to many guys.

I saved a copy of our opening day roster last season so I can refer back to it and see which battles for roster spots will be tight. So obviously it's only a guide, and won't be exactly the same. I reckon with the shift to a WCO we might take an extra WR.

you've got to be kidding me. crummie and goode? are there any UFAs named "great"? let's sign that guy.

This is my favorite
http://mystarbucks.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/dingleberry.jpg

ESPN has Goode listed as a FB.

Strengths: Has a quick first step, shows adequate footwork and can get into position as a blocker. Keeps head up when combo blocking with tackles and shows adequate lateral mobility when asked to slide off the initial block to pick up a linebacker. Plays with a good motor, has adequate upper body strength and flashes the ability to sustain blocks. As a receiver, has adequate agility and does a good job of avoiding contact when releasing on routes. Changes directions fairly well for size and runs adequate routes. Snatches the ball out of the air and isn't going to drop many passes should catch. Occasionally makes the first defender miss and is a powerful open field runner that can pick up some yards after the catch. Has experience lining flexed out wide, played H-Back at Maryland is versatile. Though an injury hindered him during his true freshman season in 2004, he hasn't missed a game since then appears to be durable.

Weaknesses: Fails to deliver a violent initial punch, hasn't learned to roll hips into blocks and isn't going to jar many defenders at the point of attack. Plays too high, lacks elite bulk and lacks ideal lower body so is liable to get driven back if asked to line up in the traditional tight end slot at the NFL level. Lunges, loses balance a little too much and has problems sustaining blocks consequently. At times takes sound angles to downfield blocks but takes poor angles at other times, struggles to adjust to moving targets in space and has some problems getting into position at the second level as a result. Hasn't carried the ball since high school and is a raw runner. Has adequate-not-great top-end speed and isn't going to be much of a big-play threat at the next level.

Overall: Goode played in just one game as a true freshman in 2004. In his sophomore and junior seasons (2005-'06), he played in all 24 games as a reserve, posting a combined 19 receptions for 188 yards (9.9 average). Serving in a hybrid tight end/H-back role as a senior, Goode played all 13 games (four starts) and turned in 17 receptions for 213 yards (12.5 average) and three touchdowns. Goode possesses the tools to contribute in a system that uses H-Backs and features them in the passing game. However, he is a classic tweener because he isn't big enough to develop into an every-down tight end, he is not a natural fullback and he doesn't have the burst to move to running back. This is why Goode projects as a rookie free agent.

you've got to be kidding me. crummie and goode? are there any UFAs named "great"? let's sign that guy.
Posted by: bong | May 8, 2008 7:34 PM

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Too bad Wonderful Terrific Mons doesn't play football...

take my props for the scoop on the Post staff on that one.

A few quick hitters on Crummey...he was brought into play guard and center. In college, he excelled at pass protection and in the run game his best asset has been his ability to pull and stretch blocking schemes. This had to have been something Bugel was begging for because none of the other reserve guards can do either very well.

Yeah we need new uniforms; anything that incorporates black would be awesome. Burgundy on burgundy or white on white would be much better too.

Yeah we need new uniforms; anything that incorporates black would be awesome. Burgundy on burgundy or white on white would be much better too.

My only concern... does anyone really trust the Danny to do a good new uniform.

You can bet that Snyder changes the uniform to some corporate sponsor colorscheme. What are FedEx's colors again????

Either way Offensive Line is now a strength, assuming those 3 young guys develop into quality players, especially Rhinehart and Brown.

Posted by: RIV | May 8, 2008 7:09 PM

There is depth for sure, however if Samuels goes down, do we truely have a LT among the other players?

Looks like the blog slowed down again. And the night shift has not arrived.

I like the gold pants. They could work with any color jersy. And the helmet with the spear.

Has anyone seen my keys?

If we pick up a back up tackle after June 1 cuts, then Rinehart may be the only rookie that makes the roster. We will have to hope that Brown and Crummey do not get picked up on waivers and make the practice squad.

The night shift is switching between hockey and soccer.
And have no opinion on our crummey or goode players.

Curzon, I have to think at least one of the three pass-catching fellows we picked in the second round will make the roster as a rookie. Did you mean Rinehart may be the only O lineman to make the roster as a rookie?

-Nate in the PDX

Nate, what can I say. This darn key board did not enter everything I typed!

Yes, O linemen is what I was talking about.

Stupid keyboards! Yeah, I hate that. I got your drift anyway.

P.S. your tastes seem to run towards the liquor cabinet, but Sierra Nevada has a Summerfest Lager which is mighty tasty, smooth and bright and deeeeeelicious.

-Nate in the PDX

Another very, very important aspect of the team's glorious uniform history:

http://redskins.com/cheerleaders/fashion.jsp

My personal favourite is the 1982 uni, at least in part because the ladies in the front row of the picture are doing an awkward half-curtsy which looks really silly and uncomfortable and makes me wonder if any of them strained a hammy during the photo shoot.

-Nate in the PDX

My only concern... does anyone really trust the Danny to do a good new uniform.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 8, 2008 8:39 PM

He'll make the best uniform available

Nate, have not had a Sierra Nevada in a couple of years. Tend to lean towards the ales mostly, but outside of american beers there are not many I don't like.

do we truely have a LT among the other players?

Posted by: MJ | May 8, 2008 9:13 PM

Not really, but we can survive with Heyer or Fabini playing the left side. Rhinehart might also be able to fill in at LT since he played it in college, but then again he's being moved to Guard for a reason and playing LT in the NFL is no picnic.

I believe it was riggo drill above who said above that the Skins' unis have been 'constant throughout the team's history'... doesn't seem like that's really the case. They've worn the same unis for most of the past 30 years, but that doesn't constitute a majority of their 75-year history.

Until the 70s it seems like we wore burgundy shirts and gold britches quite a lot.

I couldn't find much of this except for single photos of dudes in uniform. But here's a tiny little image which displays some of the uni combos over the years:

http://www.distantreplays.com/distant/assets/product_images/PAAAIAMNIJIOLBDF.jpg

-Nate in the PDX

RIV, plus I refuse to plan on injuries. If Samuels does get hurt, Heyer should be albe to fill in. But I am going to believe that we are due a healthy season after our last two years.

Like the gold pants in those pictures Nate. Like to see something different done with the jersey.

However, speaking of taste, the first link you posted had the more attractive unis.

The Skins signed another right guard (Crummey)? He's big (6-5, 311) and fairly fast (5.36-40), but don't they still need to find a backup left guard? The Skins already have Fabini, Wade, Rinehart, Geisinger, and Brown competing for backup RG or RG/RT. But I wonder -- just how easy it is for a guard to transition from the right to left side?

Posted by: Siris | May 8, 2008 6:08 PM

The left guard position is the easiest position after center to play on the offensive line. There was an exellent article by Russ Tucker, a former Redskin, on the difficulty of each OL positions. He listed positions in a descending order of difficulty and provided indepth analysis: LT, RT, RG, LG and C.

I think I'm coming around on pairing our current burgundy jersey (not the darker one we wore for the 70th anniversary throwbacks, which I did not like) with golden britches based on the current burgundy britches, just switching burgundy for gold wherever they occur. I think that would look pretty darn good. One fan's opinion...

-Nate in the PDX

I pitty the fool who took my keys.

Curzon, you last post reminded me of that that famously palindromic quote attributed to Stephon Heyer, "Albe was I ere I saw Ebla."

"Ebla" of course is the nickname a lot of us use for Ashburn.

-Nate in the PDX

To me they seem more old school and less dainty than the white. But I would really like to see the helmet with the spear used more often.

Nate, here I go again, showing off my ignorance.

Not familiar with the quote.

Glad a couple of people picked up "P-Ten" up above.

I've always thought of this nice editor fellow's nickname as "Nunz." I don't know why. They shouldn't ALL follow the initial-hyphen-syllable nickname syntax, should they?

Just like it would be weird if we all had numbers in our handles.

Or airport codes. Now THAT would be weird.

-Nate in the PDX

Just changed my handle. And it's easier to type.

Sorry, Curz, I saw an opportunity to pounce on your keyboard's spelling error ("albe to fill in") and I didn't have sufficient character to resist.

'Napoleon's [time in exile] on Elba is the basis for the famous English language palindrome: "Able was I ere I saw Elba."'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elba#History

-Nate in the PDX

Or you could borrow an 'e' from one of these Terps and graduate to Albee

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Albee

But that would just be silly...

-Nate in the PDX

M, I'm with you, I'm not worried about the left guard spot per se. Any of these backups, aided by a steady diet of profanity-laden old-school coaching/hectoring from Buges, would probably be fine over there.

It's the health of the line as a whole that I think is the primary concern. Getting the top five guys to play close to 100% of our snaps together this season. Man, would that be nice.

-Nate in the PDX

Haha,

Well, if nothing else, I am sometimes good to laugh at. or a laugh!

Rinehart may be able to displace Fabini which would allow Brown or maybe Crummey to make the roster. Depending on how many OL the team keeps.

We get to have a couple of extra roster spots and 12 men on the field on offensive downs, since we have a rookie head coach who's never been even a coordinator, in the interest of parity, right? Or did I dream that?

-Nate in the PDX

Dreaming? I want some of that stuff your drinking tonight!

at eastern motors, your job's your credit

I know, I know, only kidding.

Good golly, we have to wait, like, four more months before there's real football. Four months from tonight is opening Thursday, right? Holy smokes... it's a long time to wait, but that's gonna be a fun night.

-Nate in the PDX

I just hope I can survive until preseason. For me, it's small steps.

Well, yeah, when you put it that way... August 3 is only three months away! And training camp will start, what, three or so weeks before that... so we're down to about two months away! Yippee!

-Nate in the PDX

The only good thing of that early preseason game is that camp starts early.

Wish I could make that trip to Canton!

I'm not expecting this guy to be any good. He'll probably be pretty Crummey.

Interesting article on Herschel Walker on the WaPo front page:

"Walker is out to dispel the myths about multiple personality disorder, or, as he prefers to call it, DID -- dissociative identity disorder."

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I know there is a good joke waiting to be hatched here, but I got nothing...

I thought it was hard for a guard to go to center.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 8, 2008 6:56 PM

That's hoop. I did it in the NBA finals. Going from Guard to Talk Show Host. Now THAT's hard.

Or from running back to espn commentator.

NO to changing colors. I've hated the fact that we lost the gold pants back in '81 or whenever it was. Because, if the colors are burgandy and gold the damn unis should be burgandy and gold. Change the helmet, change the mascot, change the name, change the owner; but not the colors! More bling! More gold; less white. It ain't high school the b-on-b and white on white is soooo "Friday night lights." It should be burgandy and gold and new unis. Now it won't happen until the name changes unless another reason to take the team to court.

When Two Terps go to war, one is all you can score

I see the conversation has finally turned to the Redskins...

If I had my way, the Skins would wear the throwbacks from the '02 season (with the spear helmets and gold pants). Better shade of burgundy and it looks better with black shoes.

That said, I think the current unis are fine. My only issue is that they've been wearing black shoes for the last two years, which in my opinion looks hideous when you wear a predominantly white uniform. It just looks dumb to have black shoes when you don't have black in your colors. Zorn will win my affection if he gets the team to wear white shoes again.

Wow, I just went Uni-Watch on Page 2 of ESPN.com right there...

i think the uniform is ugly...for a second i tthought i'm looking at cardinals ....burgandy on white or blakc is good though

TE - So you didn't like the principle either? Did you get a chance to meet Rhee? (saw your comments on the firing of your kids principle)...

Where is everyone?

Since when is bright yellow the same as gold? I'd like to switch the white pants to -- well, I like the yellow (maize) of the Michigan pants a lot more than the gold of a UCLA or Notre Dame -- I guess yellow?

And for the record, I liked the white-on-white look.

Where is everyone?

we're all trying to declare the Democrat nomination over... there are a lot of places on the internet that need to be told...

jm220, happy Friday to you.

We could use some TCCLs* up here.

-Nate in the PDX

* TCCL = Tom Cruise Couch Leap, a unit of measurement for praise or excitement that used to be doled out by La Canfora in weekly awards on this here blog.

My favorite unis are the white on white...but they could be spruced up a bit with maybe burgundy/black belt and black cleats. Any thoughts on gold on gold?

0 TCCL's for white on white.

Like the Crummey pick up. Stephon Heyer was an undrafted FA outta UMD last year, so who knows? As brittle as Jansen and Thomas are, I'm sure he'll be needed.

Happy Friday hammies.

Good news about Crummey. I like it, as has been stated previously, low risk, but big reward factor. I've gotta think that between Crummey, Brown, Reinhart, the Redskins have gotten a possible core of players that could make the team, and push some of the older cats out.

On an NBA note, I think Lebron just missed another shot....

0 TCCL's for white on white.

Posted by: etrod | May 9, 2008 8:24 AM

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etrod, what do you like

Don't doubt Lebron...he'll be back, hopefully with a better supporting cast.

Happy Friday Nate.

Anon, oh, I don't doubt Lebron, not in the least. Its his supporting cast where all the doubt comes from. Other than Illgauskas, someone on that team needs to step up, and knock down a jumper.

TE - So you didn't like the principle either? Did you get a chance to meet Rhee? (saw your comments on the firing of your kids principle)...

Posted by: 4th | May 9, 2008 7:26 AM

No, I have never met Rhee, but I admire the vigor, energy, and new ideas that she has brought to her job -- and Mayor Fenty for picking and supporting her.

Both of my kids are out of the Oyster School now, but the parents who are still associated with Oyster have been very frustrated, and their chief frustration has been the principal. She has done a particularly bad job in the last year of expanding the bi-lingual program through the middle school grades.

The Oyster School is a wonderful asset and both my kids are bilingual. The teachers have been incredibly good and they deserve better leadership than they've gotten since Sra. Guzman arrived.

On the uniform front, white on white is terrible. I would go Burgandy on Gold with black cleates. Or B on B with Black cleates. I also think a new design would be good, spice it up a little. They could also add some Black to the uniform. I love the spear helmet.

I think I'm coming around on pairing our current burgundy jersey (not the darker one we wore for the 70th anniversary throwbacks, which I did not like) with golden britches based on the current burgundy britches, just switching burgundy for gold wherever they occur. I think that would look pretty darn good. One fan's opinion...
-Nate in the PDX
Posted by: | May 8, 2008 11:39 PM

Nate, I'm totally with you. Basically it's the 72-78 home unis......jersery is very slightly different (solid whitwe numbers, no outline) and the burgundy is a bit darker. Refer to this Billy Kilmer pic on ebay......

http://cgi.ebay.com/WASHINGTON-REDSKINS-BILLY-KILMER-SIGNED-8X10-PHOTO_W0QQitemZ110249928021QQihZ001QQcategoryZ27278QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

F Lebron. I hope the Wiz get him in the playoffs next year so he can get his taint handed to him.

I think the white on white is OK. If for no other reason than the fact that they don't wear those retro-80s burgundy and gold striped socks with them. But I would be interested in seeing the burgundy on burgundy IF and only if they can make the burgundy match. I can't tell you how crappy it looks to have the burgundy jersey not match the burgundy helmet (the burgundy jerseys looked more red in the 80s).

Sorry Greg, forgot to sign my name. Yeah, Lebron has minimal help. Jordan would have 0 championships without Pippen...

dlhaze, that's the spirit, man! I should have thought to find a pic.

Some solid gold trousers -- not bright yellow, a color that should be avoided, as somebody noted above -- matched with our current burgundy shirts. Hell yes.

Seems like that color combo would be awesome in and of itself, would make our two primary colors its two primary colors, would not have the monochrome effect (same color pants and shirt) which I don't favor, would not include white pants (do I need to mention Visible Jockstrap Lines again? I think not), AND would be evocative of the team's history, since that combo may have been worn more than any other in the team's 75 seasons.

But, the million dollar question, would it sell? Seems like uni decisions hinge on selling jerseys, and changing just the pants color by definition wouldn't sell any more jerseys.

Eureka! It's time for the NFL to start selling replica and authentic uniform pants!

-Nate in the PDX

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The jersey Kilmer was wearing is a lot closer to a true burgundy than what the Skins wear now. Unfortunately, anything Kilmer wears is not going to look good. Better they show a picture of Charley Taylor or Larry Brown. I'm for the team wearing a true burgundy and gold rather than yellow. Dan can afford it.

The last throw-backs the Skins wore, based on the 70s, were horrible. They made the players look like Ronald McDonald.

to uni talk i say, whateves!

I think the Jerseys should orange. Bright neon orange with numbers on the chest.

That'd be sweet, cus then I wouldn't have to go buy a jersey, I'd already be wearing one.

Then they could blood stains here and there for when people get cut by that colon shank.

etrod, what do you like

Posted by: | May 9, 2008 8:29 AM

Poetry, Scotch and, of course, Baxter.

I love the Throwbacks they wore last year but they were tainted by the egg we laid whilst wearing them vs. the Giants.

I personally would love to see the dark burgundy Jersey's, similar to the ones from the 75th but without the bamma yellow stripes on the sleeves. If we paired them with pants of the same color and helmets with the spear logo, I'd be a happy camper. Very simplistic and intimidating. Away would keep the same pants, white jersey's with burgundy numbers. Keep the gold to a minimum. I'm not down with the bling.

I got nothing. Sorry.

Nate, having the top 5 OL play close to 100% of snaps over the course of the season would be great. I think that people forget that prior to last season Redskin's OL was one of the top lines in the league. They lost Dockery, but he was the weakest link at the time and Kendall is a capable (and much cheaper) replacement. What people forget is that last season's injuries on the offensive line were well above the norm. They lost both starters on the right side of offensive line for the season. In one game (it may have been the game against Buffalo), they lost to injuries all offensive tackles but Samuels and I even recall "do-it-all" defensive tackle Lorenzo Alexander finishing the game on OL. The OL should improve this season, because they are returing two starters that they lost last season due to injuries. I do think, however, that by next season someone would have to take Kendall's place as the starter and hopefully it will be one of young offensive linemen they are grooming now.

I think you underestimate Dock...he was a road grader..he could open up some holes...tats what we needed w/ cp's ypc dropping to 3.8...kendall is nice but he is a stop gap...i think we need a dominant run blocker

Since when is bright yellow the same as gold? I'd like to switch the white pants to -- well, I like the yellow (maize) of the Michigan pants a lot more than the gold of a UCLA or Notre Dame -- I guess yellow?

And for the record, I liked the white-on-white look.

Posted by: cload & daggar | May 9, 2008 8:18 AM

White-on-white ... the symbol of purity ... and weakness. Michigan, UCLA, Notre Dame. Need this be elaborated? Go Michigan State!

Tops entry was by dlhaze ... not only a return to throwback helmets, but also throwback Kilmer facemasks! To the age when a single bar was considered a "mask". Full field view. I say back to leather helmets too.

My latest thought ... gold laces. Also, brass knuckles ...

Jasno's been back for three days now. In that time there have been three posts: one by him, one by Cindy and one by Jon DeNunzio.

Dockery's rookie photo

http://www.roadpacker.com/MOVELOGO/grader.jpg

Dockery-to-Kendall was an upgrade in performance at that position.

I say we go with a maroon top-yellow pants-black shoes combo.

Please no black jerseys/pants. I have a hard enough time watching the Skins play many Sundays, the last thing I want is to feel like I'm rooting for the Raiders of the East...

Burgundy tops-burgundy pants-burgundy socks and shoes!

They could wear periwinkle and burnt sienna for all I care, lets just go 11-5, average 24 points on O, and 26 opposition busted lips a game on D!!!!!!!!!!!

How about Burnt Umber and Yellow Oker?

One other thing I like is the gray facemasks....the gold facemasks are a little too pretty. Current helmet with gray mask (just like my old "helmet -lamp"), dark burgundy jersey and gold 70's pants. Beautiful!

I have to confess that I didn't realize that people got so excited about uniforms.

Is it because specific variations remind you of particular periods of glory or certain players? I don't think there's an equivalent in any sports I followed back in the UK, so I'm intrigued by this.

RIP Bob Ross... one of the greatest bubble perms in recorded history...

http://popculturewilleatitself.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/bob-ross.jpg

-Nate in the PDX

Redcoat, I think the UK equivalent might have been the unis back when the sun never set on the British Empire ... the stuff the brigadier battalions wore in Ceylon, or maps, such as

Maybe Sween, although they barely changed from century to century!

I suppose there may have been an equivalent in soccer at one time - when they didn't change the kits every year - but I don't recall it being a part of fan-dom either in my youth or adulthood.

Ceylon, now there's a great name. Why is everywhere called something else these days!!! :)

Ah Bob Ross......"now that's a HAPPY tree"

Really Coat? I often harken back to the JVC years.

Redcoat, I reckon the disconnect is because your football sides have a tendency to change their kits every few seasons, so you're inured to this sort of debate...

I realise it's not a perfect parallel because the third/alternate kit has been prevalent much longer over there, and sponsor logos have been a design factor for a long time, but to cite one example, see how Man Utd have changed the fundamental appearance of their kits over and over and over through the years.

http://www.prideofmanchester.com/sport/mufc-kits.htm

Seems like over there it's about frequently introducing 'variations on a theme' which can vary wildly, where over here it's a much bigger deal to make such dramatic changes. I dunno...

-Nate in the PDX

My $.02. I like the burgundy and white unis (road and away) or the all white unis. All burgundy or black and burgundy not so much. Always thought the gold pants were kind of fugly. Also definitely like the spear on the helmet.

Very true Nate. Main reasons:

1. Corporate sponsors come and go.
2. Players names are now on the back so you can't just 'wear a number' any more.
3. Clubs keep ALL revenue from kit sales!

So the constant rotation of kits - with some of the most egregious like my own Red Devils having anywhere up to 4 new per season - is actually a huge source of revenue for the teams.

When you combine that with United's global fan base you understand why they are the most valuable sports team on the planet, Skins/Grrls included.

Maybe that's why I didn't get into that. By the time I could afford to buy replica shirts, etc. I didn't want to because I begrudged getting fleeced that way.

Hold up, the guy who picked the name "Redcoat" doesn't have an opinion on uniforms? C'mon!

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nspictou/images/redcoat.jpg

-Nate in the PDX

Makes you wonder whether this supposed red coated fellow even knows how to play Stratego.

Actually Nate, how do you know I didn't take my name from this?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38167000/jpg/_38167802_matt.jpg

The 50s and 60s were the heyday of 'holiday camps' in the UK, and Butlin's (also known at Butlitz - to sound like Colditz) were the market leaders. The camp assistants/entertainers were called Redcoats.

But I have to admit Nate, you got me on that. As I've said before, my ambition is to one day march in the Leesburg 4th July parade in full Redcoat attire.

But I need to get my affairs in order before I do that as Mrs Redcoat will kill me even if the crowd doesn't!

Ok JZ (we have a JZ and a P Diddy up here? Party time)

Here's the great Sean Taylor with black pants and burgundy jersey. Not too bad I don't think.
http://image.wetpaint.com/image/1/0eHPnPyBEa2cb8Wz3xChtA145208

Any other requests? I liked the dlhaze suggestion, but since there are already plenty of photos out there of that color combo, I don't know if I really need to do any modifications.

Redcoat, this guy called to throw down a gauntlet.

http://www.greenesofmoravia.com/Dad%20at%20Desk%20green%20coat.jpg

How about Burnt Umber and Yellow Oker?

Posted by: Bob Ross | May 9, 2008 10:58 AM

Post of the Day!

Bob Ross is Chia Pet!

- .250

think you underestimate Dock...he was a road grader..he could open up some holes...tats what we needed w/ cp's ypc dropping to 3.8...kendall is nice but he is a stop gap...i think we need a dominant run blocker

Posted by: Sweet Feet | May 9, 2008 10:09 AM

Sweet Feet, most teams primarily run behind the right side of their offensive line behind their grinders with occasional runs to the left side where they have their best pass protectors at QB's blind side. Redskin's drop in running ypc average last season has something to do with the loss of the right side of the OL to season ending injuries (Randy Thomas and Jensen). Redskins had to run behind the left side of their OL last season because they could not run effectively behind Fabini at the right side. This made their running game very predictable, just recall the Giant's goal line stand when all Giant's players knew that Redskins will be running to the left. Dock is a nice player and I wish him well at Buffalo (it was a no brainer for him to take their offer considering how much they were willing to overpay him), but I won't miss his false start penalties. Plus Redskins got a compensatory third round pick due to his departure.

good stuff swb.

Try storm gray jersey with burgundy or gold pants.

F P Diddy and especially F JZ. Go home to Beouncy

Haha,

Well, if nothing else, I am sometimes good to laugh at. or a laugh!

Posted by: Curz | May 9, 2008 12:01 AM

Are we 'avin' a laugh?

Major Announcement coming soon

Here it is

" Major Announcement"

Thats it I just wanted to say Major Announcement

When did this board go Completely Gay?--not that there's anything wrong with that. Anyone who wandered over here would think they've reached the NFL's Costume Design Review Blog Board.

So please! Either move on to actual football, or at least get into the critical issue of fabrics.

I mean come on, Ripstop Nylon vs. A poly blend. Now THAT's football.

+++Major Announcement coming soon

Posted by: Great One | May 9, 2008 11:45 AM+++

Here tis: "Major Announcement has just been promoted to Lieutenant Colonel Announcement."

The burgundy and black actually looked pretty good. I tried it on Madden one time and it looks great. However, it's harder to work the gold in there without making it look weird.

And "Richard Simmons", I'll take today's conversation over yesterday's mess every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Even if it does sound like an episode of Queer Eye...

Seems as if there is some heartburn over signing Goode...don't sleep on him. If no one thought he was GOOD, they wouldn't have signed him. Don't think he will have a problem making practice or better yet making the team!

I got a major announcement. Anyone that comes near me today in the yard is gettin cut. Cut deep.

My colon shank's got that blood lust, and I got no sympathy for people who run their mouth off. Watch it.

Ceylon, now there's a great name. Why is everywhere called something else these days!!! :)

Posted by: Redcoat | May 9, 2008 11:15 AM

Even old New York was once New Amsterdam
Why they changed it I can't say
People just liked it better that way
--They Might Be Giants

Come get some, Prison Balls. Wait I believe you already say that every night at lockdown. Life on the other side of the wall is so sweeeet.

Laurenco Marques rulz
Maputo drulz

++++And "Richard Simmons", I'll take today's conversation over yesterday's mess every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Even if it does sound like an episode of Queer Eye...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 9, 2008 11:57 AM+++

NEW TOPICS:

Bustier Comeback? Madonna thinks not.

Chintz vs. Organdy: Horns of a Dilemma

Is Sniffing Mommy's unmentionables Really All That Wrong?

Discuss Among Yourselves, men.

lets talk football

I predict that clinton portis will win the rushing title this year and we will have a top 5 offense.

Anybody care to argue against or for that opionion?

is Sniffing Mommy's unmentionables Really All That Wrong?

If they're still on her, YES!

kind of dead in here.

So I'm confused. Are these signings crummy or good. Make up your mind srsly.

Just read that Roy Williams may be available soon.

Speaking of changes, and Roy Williamses, the other Roy Williams will be switching from #31 to the #38 he wore at Texas. But you'll still recognize him as the fat azz 5 yards behind every play.

Or Oklahoma.

SMACK, same Roy Williams. Doesn't fit in with the girls defense.

Just trying to stir up RI.

He doesn't really fit in with defense in general.

Great One, for reference, Clinton's yardage each season, plus the top AFC and NFC rushers by yardage, plus the top Skin for each season (if not Clinton), with overall league ranking and total yards:

2007
1. Tomlinson SD 1,474
2. Peterson MIN 1,341
6. Portis WAS 1,262

2006
1. Tomlinson SD 1,815
3. Gore SF 1,695
13. Betts WAS 1,154

2005
1. Alexander SEA 1,880
3. Johnson KC 1,750
4. Portis WAS 1,516

2004
1. Martin NYJ 1,697
2. Alexander SEA 1,696
8. Portis WAS 1,315

2003
1. Lewis BAL 2,066
2. Green GB 1,883
5. Portis DEN 1,591
35. Trung freakin' Canidate WAS 600

2002
1. Williams MIA 1,853
4. Portis DEN 1,508
6. McAllister NO 1,388
27. Stephen Davis WAS 820

-Nate in the PDX

Trung freakin' Canidate

I was ignorant that his middle name, was "freakin"......

SMACK, aren't you a Dallas fan?

Wow, it takes Portis all year to do what Betts can do in seven games.

Just trying to stir up RI.

So Great One, I will join you in the hope that Clinton will have a great season statistically. Not a career high for him, but top 5 in the league sounds good to me. This hinges on the corresponding hope that the new passing game clicks and keeps opposing Ds honest.

Also, I threw up in my mouth a little bit when I saw our leading rusher for 2003, and saw his total yards. Ugh.

-Nate in the PDX

Um, aren't we ALL trying to "stir up RI," on some level?

SMACK is a force for good up here, not a force for evil.

-Nate in the PDX

Nate, that created a nauseating affect for many of us!

Chiefs could turn to Vanderjagt or Carney?

The Chiefs' strategy for solving their kicking troubles was a simple one. Too simple, as it turned out. Their solution was to sign the best available free-agent kicker, Seattle's Josh Brown. They had no backup plan. So when Brown instead signed with the Rams in the opening days of free agency, the Chiefs were left at kicker with journeymen Nick Novak and Billy Cundiff, an undrafted rookie in North Carolina's Connor Barth and plenty of continuing unease over the situation. "We'll have to decide at the end of the day if one of these three guys is the guy or do we have to go out and get one of those old guys who doesn't want to come to training camp?" coach Herm Edwards said. "Hopefully we don't have to do that, but if we have to, we'll do it." The "old guys" Edwards referred to include John Carney, who kicked for the Chiefs toward the end of last season, and former Colts kicker Mike Vanderjagt, who worked out for them early in the spring. Both are free agents.

-- KC Star

Bob Ross passed away?

-RIP-

Clinton Portis rushing title? I dunno...

Top 5 Offense; Not likely...

Wow, it takes Portis all year to do what Betts can do in seven games.

Just trying to stir up RI.

Posted by: SMACK | May 9, 2008 1:13 PM

Oh you know what you get for that one.

Bob Ross: Any relation to Bobby Ross?

Thanks Nate. Yeah, Red, I'm a "Girls" fan. But that doesn't mean that I wouldn't like to take Roy Williams and beat Tony Romo to death with him.

As is frequently pointed out up here, we haven't won a playoff game since Madonna was really, like, a virgin. So there are no "Sacred Cows".

Oh, I see. You're just trying to draw the ire of RI, cool. I'll take my last question as a yes then, right?

Whats the name of the blogger who posts negative stuff about players NOT wearing burgundy & gold?

Anyone interested in Roy Williams are looking to trade him, maybe we can give up S. Moss for him??

I hope you guys are done debating uniform color schemes?

All I know is I'm feeling a little blue today.

:-(

I usually don't have any love for kickers, but I feel kind of bad for Nick Novak.

Thanks, jm. I didn't want that hammer getting rusty in the offseason.

4th, I think we would all welcome the idiot drunken kicker back into the NFL, at a comfortable distance of course. Which for Mike has to be about 25 yards.

The careers of psychotherapists everywhere will hinge on his success or failure.

"Hopefully we don't have to do that, but if we have to, we'll do it."

Hrrrrrrm Edwards

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There's a joke there, but I'm too depressed to think of it.

Hey Chia, if you're in the DC metro area, then its understood why you'll feel that way.

I just hope my basement isn't flooded due to all the rain we've been getting.

I am just saying if we run more two tight ends and 4 wide reciever sets, that has to create more running lanes. I think he could easily have 1600 yards.

I like Roy Williams (WR), but with Kelly and Thomas, they to me anyway seem to be the same type of WR.

Tall, possession type dudes.

I don't think we need three. But I understand after watching WR's who couldn't get on rides at Six-Flags. We have a want for the guys 6-2 and taller. But you'll still need a couple of smurfs, those are usually your burners.

Red,

DC is a swirling vortex of funky juju. I dragged myself out a long time ago.

I love the Washington Redskins and I miss Doreen Gentzler, but that's about it. I don't know how you all do it.

What about Bob Ryan, is he still around? That guy has good energy too.

What about beer? Last time I visited, the bars still seem to think that Sam Adams is a micro brew.

I agree about the false starts...i still want a dominant run blocker...i wanna see clinton get up to a 4.5 ypc average

Ellis: Cowboys could trade Roy Williams

Dallas Cowboys safety Roy Williams has doubts about whether he fits into Coach Wade Phillips' scheme and has been isolating himself from his teammates, defensive end Greg Ellis said Thursday. Ellis told Sirius NFL Radio that Williams' concerns about his place in Phillips' version of the 3-4 defense surfaced last summer at training camp in San Antonio. "He said, �Greg, this defense does not fit me. I don't fit in well with this defense at all,' " the Dallas Morning News' Web site quoted Ellis as saying. "So when he told me that, I was like, �Well, man, it's still new. Get used to it, and it'll probably be fine for you.' And, obviously, I think it came to be true. Just like he said, he doesn't fit what's going on here in Dallas right now.' " Ellis expressed optimism that Williams will feel more comfortable this season, while also suggesting the Cowboys could trade the former Oklahoma star.

-- San Antonio Express-News

A refreshing change from him isolating himself from the other team.

As much as I hate the cowboys, Roy Williams and LaRon would quite a combo.

No. They wouldn't really.

Roy Williams = Archibingus

NFL legend Joe Montana suing his first wife

Former 49ers quarterback Joe Montana is suing his first wife, Kim Moses, and a Texas auction house for selling love letters and memorabilia from his time at the University of Notre Dame. The other items include Joe's freshman I.D. card, a University of Notre Dame letter of intent and Joe and Kim's 1979 marriage certificate. Joe is suing in excess of $75,000 -- claiming the items were obtained and sold by Moses without his consent.

-- TMZ

No trading with the Cowboys.

The Cowboys tried to move Williams closer to the line of scrimmage last season to take advantage of his hitting ability, but that plan hit a snag when cornerbacks Terence Newman and Anthony Henry suffered injuries.

Later in the season, Phillips kept Williams on the sidelines as much as possible in obvious passing situations. Williams has struggled throughout his career in pass coverage.

Despite recording just two interceptions and failing to notch either a sack or a forced fumble, Williams was named to the NFC Pro Bowl roster a fifth-straight time last season.

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Just shows what the pro bowl is all about.

While he has some struggles in pass coverage obviously, that cat can bring the wood. I'd ask him to get down to about 220 pounds, then pair him with a good coverage safety, and blitz the heck out of him.

Joe Montana's wife is selling his love letters.

Great!

This is why you should never write love letters.

Every time I see John Carney bouncing around from team to team I wonder why the Skins never brought him in for a tryout even once. I am still not quite sold on Suishy....forget about Vanderchoke, but what would it hurt to sign Carney for the vet min and see what he could do? He's one of the most accurate of all time isn't he?

Former 49ers quarterback Joe Montana is suing his first wife, Kim Moses, and a Texas auction house for selling love letters and memorabilia from his time at the University of Notre Dame.
You know, if he would just call O.J. and his buddies, he wouldn't have to bother suing his ex....they could just go in guns blazing and take it all back.

That story about Joe Montana's wife is really bumming me out.

I'm done here for today.

Wasted 2nd Rounder Symbolizes Skins' Failures
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David Elfin
WarpathInsiders.com May 9, 2008

Fred Davis was the nation's top tight end as a USC senior in 2007. Despite his preference for his pillow over practice on the final day of minicamp, the 22-year-old from Toledo seems like a good guy.

However, that doesn't mean that it was smart for the Redskins to use their second choice, 47th overall, on Davis. Chris Cooley's presence will prevent Davis from having the impact that his talent says he should have. Cooley, a Pro Bowl tight end in 2007, is just 25 and is signed through 2012. He's also perhaps the most popular Redskin.

With so many other needs, the Redskins don't need two Chris Cooleys. Even with injuries to such starting tight ends as Jeremy Shockey, Todd Heap and L.J. Smith, only two backups at the position caught as many as 30 passes last season:

Ben Utecht of high-powered Indianapolis, who has since signed with Cincinnati; and Chicago's Greg Olsen, the only tight end taken in the first round of the 2007 draft. And neither Utecht nor Olsen reached even 40 catches.

But with no successor to 35-year-old left defensive end Phillip Daniels or injury-plagued 30-year-old strongside linebacker Marcus Washington on the roster, the Redskins took a luxury like Davis.

Perennial contenders New England and Indianapolis can draft the best players on their boards, but when you've won a single playoff game in 15 years and you're 59-72 this millenium, you fill your needs.

Daniels will be 36 next year and Washington will be an old 31. Instead of grooming their successors, the Redskins are looking at replacing them in 2009 with rookies or over-priced free agents.

Does anyone think the teams that start Tom Brady and Peyton Manning would've drafted quarterbacks with their second picks if players at that position had been No. 1 on their boards? The Patriots wisely took a cornerback to replace departed free agent Asante Samuel while the Colts chose a linebacker to succeed the waived Rob Morris.

That's why Bill Belichick and Bill Polian are master architects and Vinny Cerrato has yet to assemble a team that can even host a wild-card game (Charley Casserly built the 1999 Redskins).

Miami (Fla.) end Calais Campbell, an elite passrusher for new Redskins defensive line coach John Palermo in 2006, was still on the board at No. 47. So were the highly-regarded Chris Ellis of Virginia Tech and Quentin Groves of Auburn, both of whom might be switched to outside linebacker as Washington was when he was drafted by the Colts.

Perhaps the above trio can't be every-down ends like Daniels. And Kendall Langford and Bryan Smith, picked in the third round, are from less reliable small schools, but how about Purdue's Cliff Avril?

All the standout college outside linebackers except Keith Rivers and Jordon Dizon were also available at No. 47. Do the Redskins really believe that Dan Connor, Xavier Adibi, Geno Hayes or Shawn Crable couldn't help them more than Davis?

Yes, the Redskins needed bigger targets for Jason Campbell, but they had already drafted 6-2 Devin Thomas and were about to choose 6-4 Malcolm Kelly to complement vertically challenged starting receivers Santana Moss and Antwaan Randle El. Taking an end or an outside backer instead of Davis in between Thomas and Kelly would have made so much more sense. As Dan Daly of The Washington Times wrote, no team had used its first three picks on pass-catchers since the 1970 AFL-NFL merger.

The Redskins then compounded their mistake by not choosing an end until seventh-rounder Rob Jackson, who had only two sacks (both in the same game) as a Kansas State senior, while not using any of their 10 picks on a linebacker.

Washington drafted a punter for the first time in 15 years but didn't deem a linebacker worth selecting even though Maryland's Erin Henderson, an all-ACC choice, and Georgia Tech's equally worthy Gary Guyton went undrafted?

Davis might have Pro Bowl ability, but with Cooley in front of him, we'll never find out until one of them departs as a free agent. That won't happen before 2012 and that's way too long to wait.

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Chia, yep Bob Ryan and the doppler are still around. news anchors haven't changed all that much. it seems they mostly just jump TV stations.

Oh and Topper Shut is my favorite name of all-time.

thanks 4th, but DAMN!

Elfin clearly has an axe to grind with the Redskins. After all, why would a journalist ever write anything negative about this team.

- .250

My point in posting that Elfin article is because JLaC and some peeps up here always bag on the Times as them being in cohots with the team. This is from the guy who gets to interview Snyder every other year......

Greg, you're a Celtics fan, correct? I'm curious to know, how does the fan base view the team? Of course they're supportive, I mean they did win 65 games this year. But I would think because the team is cut and paste, maybe some fans wouldn't view them as "their own".

As far as that Elfin article goes, lets see how this plays out on the field, before we come to conclusion.

You know I am tired of these people writing these columns on how we took luxury and didnt take a succesor to philip daniels. What if chris wilson is the replacement. the problem is not that we did not draft a defensive end the problem is that we did not give the media anyone to drool over or start a contreversy. that is the problem where football meets business. we might have football players that are ready but if the media does not fell like they can market those people then they rip you to shreds because they cant get a story out of it.

I'm neutral as far as what we did in the draft Greg. I too am waiting for a season or 2 to see if they did well for the night......

If Davis turns out to be a good TE and is superfluous he would be able to help is in trading for a player we need or more draft choices. Nothing wrong with this pick.

I'm betting Crummey won't be too...
As long as he is healthey.

And I would like to say thankee to Mister DeNunzioee for bringing us a new postee in perfect RIee formee.

Bravo. DeNunzio.

I said I was done, but not really.

First the Montana story, and now that piece from Elfin:

"Perennial contenders New England and Indianapolis can draft the best players on their boards, but when you've won a single playoff game in 15 years and you're 59-72 this millenium, you fill your needs."

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Ouch, just ouch...

LaRon proved last year after ST died that he can play free safety. Pair him up with Roy Williams play strong safety, stopping the run. Add in Smoot and Springs, and you've got one of the, if not the best defensive backfields in the league.

us in place of is. SJK!

Nice chatting with ya' all.

I'm jumping off my window sill this afternoon.

Thanks, 4th!

Damn, I'm depressed.

And now this talk about trading for a Dallas Cowboy?

Oh, the horror!

Nah Chia, no trading with the cowboys, only if he is released.

Red, its been so long since the Celtics were relevant, that just putting a winner on the floor this year, has caused the fan-base to rally around the guys they brought in. There was MUCH hand-wringing during the Atlanta series going on around here.

They've brought people back around with the first 2 games versus Cleveland however.

As far as viewing them as their own, it was easy with KG, because he immediately respected and had an appreciation for the history of the franchise. I also think that Pierce had been without a decent wing-man for so long that something like this had to be done.

My 2-cents anyway...

people stop associating Roy Williams with the redskins. Secondly it is amazing to me that we drafted a certain positions that we felt were more pertinent. if we drafted a DE then the reporters would complain about not having receivers and injury concerns. you cant build a football team through one draft. more importantly 97% of all sport writers never played football or any other sport in their life and they can tell you how to run your sport. some of these geeks get an asthma attack when they write to many paragraphs.

Bringing in Roy Williams to the Redskins would be disrespecting to Sean Taylor, in my view......

Here is my favorite part of the article:

"Miami (Fla.) end Calais Campbell, an elite passrusher for new Redskins defensive line coach John Palermo in 2006, was still on the board at No. 47."

The problem is that he was largely mediocrre during 2007, and that if his LINE-COACH didn't make a play for him, what does that say about this guy? Hmmmm you think Palermo might have had something to say about what kind of player he thought Campbell might be.

Amen 4th

very disrespectful to Sean Taylor

No news is ... no news.

Bringing in Roy Williams to the Redskins would be disrespecting to Sean Taylor, in my view......

Posted by: 4th | May 9, 2008 2:36 PM

Seriously? How is that disrespectful? I'm not in favor of bringing in Roy W, but to say that it would be disrespecting makes no sense to me. What would be respectful? 10 players only? They did that already.....

Bringing in Roy Williams to the Redskins would be disrespecting to Sean Taylor, in my view......

Posted by: 4th | May 9, 2008 2:36 PM

Seriously? How is that disrespectful? I'm not in favor of bringing in Roy W, but to say that it would be disrespecting makes no sense to me. What would be respectful? 10 players only? They did that already.....

Posted by: | May 9, 2008 2:41 PM

forgot to sign again...that was me.

You know what is interesting about Roy Williams?? He was able to change his number. he has worn 31 for what, 6 years now? And they let him change to 38. How long and Ryan Clark been in the league? And they wouldnt let him change to ST's number?

F the league

How is it disrespectful to ST? If he wasn't a Cowboy would it still be disrespectful? I didn't like the fact that Williams wanted to wear ST's number in the pro bowl. There will never be another ST, but the redskins need to find someone to help at safety and I don't think doughty is the answer in the long term.

When asked who he thought would have a break out season in 2008, Cooleey said Reede Doughteey.

Speaking of Cooleey.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner?author=Chris+Cooley

More junk on junk.

greg, thanks for giving the beantown perspective.

No to the hell on Roy Williams. I think he's a decent safety, but he's a liability in pass coverage. "Dirty Thirty" (Good one jm) can play FS or SS. I would like to see him stay at SS. I think he'll draw comparison to Sean Taylor, if he hasn't already, and thats unfair to both of them.

There is only one Sean, one Laron.

I don't get how it would be a disrespect. And "respect" is way over used anyway, what does that even mean in 2008...

That said F Roy Williams! Isn't Reed the same player but younger, cheaper and hungrier?

I liked the "Day Late" Elfin column, I happen to think he is right but hope he is wrong. My brain and heart are rarely aligned....

Also The Wash Times is straight garbage I wouldn't read with someone elses eyes, but that doesn't mean they don't have some decent people working for them.....

Agree to disagree. Just statin how I felt about crazy 'what if's......

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That has been stuck in my head for about 2 weeks now. Just when I got it out, YOU BRING IT BAACK!

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my agreement with the Elfin column aside, I am eternally aligned with B-Town Greg on the "lets judge on the feild of play" my only caveat to that is over the last 15 years that usually spells doom for skins....

F "what ifs"

Has anyone heard/seen/read anything about Cialis Campbell at the Cardinals mini-camp?

I mean, you really can't say that the Redskins made the wrong decision until there is more evidence to work with? I mean, that only makes sense....

anon reg, its been stuck in my head all day! I had to put my thoughts on screen.

Some will say we watch too much TV. But its not that. The damn commercial is so catchy, you can't help but have it implanted in your dome piece.

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Why bring in Roy Williams! Are you kidding... So he can be another Adam Archuleta.... How many times have we all said that the boy can't cover...?

Unless you plan on turning him into an LB..... now to me that makes more sense...

Otherwise - Forget about it...

No to Rory.

10 min heat check.

kind of dead 'round these parts.

The only reason I can see the Redskins signing or trading for Roy Williams is for WR/TE injury prevention. Just to make sure none of our WR/TE are on the receiving end of one his mastery of the Horse Collar Tackle or if the Redskins feel that our defense is so great that in order to make things fair for other teams we actually play Roy Williams at safety.

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