i'm never first

in da club

F work. I'd rather learn!

Spaghetti Gang making moves? Virginia Beach? Priority one has got to be whether it makes sense for the players. Will it help them develop better?

My guess ... no.

They still need to maintain facilities in DC area during the year. So its an extra cost from that perspective. Does it help players to be somewhere else during preseason -- away from their day to day lives? Maybe. Some people respond well to that. Others, not as much.

Will it increase interest in the Skins in Va Beach? Yes ... and that is the reason. More fans, more money for the owner. And oh yes ... isn't there a Six Flags down that way? I mean, can't you see the cross promotion stuff?

Laron Landry is a tough guy like me.

Maybe a few of the "regs" can open it up, so it will involve EVERYONE!

And you guys wonder why people say that this blog has a "members only" vibe.

Posted by: Red(don't care) | May 21, 2008 12:32 PM

What did they do - freeze your keyboard so you couldn't type and send? Break your fingers? Threaten your friends and family?

The rules (?) around here are the same for everyone: type your comments in the box and hit return; maybe someone comments back, maybe not. If so - great! If not - get over it. Plenty of "regulars" make comments that don't get responses also. But I am willing to bet that if you say something that others consider interesting, you will get a response. Just don't take it personally, either way.

Posted by: A long-time "regular" | May 21, 2008 1:02 PM

Is this chRIs larRy's donkey...you know, the one that anon keeps accusing him of, um, 'riding'?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080520/ap_on_fe_st/odd_mexico_jailed_burro

- .250

Wednesday is the new Friday for holiday weekend take-offs? F'ing ridiculous.

BONG!

I figured out how to overcome the Fred Davis alarm clock problem.

Fred moves to Tokyo. If he wakes up on time, he flies east, over Europe to get to practice. But, if he wakes up late, he flies west and crosses the international date line, so he'll still be on time

At Summer's, make sure you don't look at any other tv showing the ESPN ticker. After waiting all day, I sat down to watch Arsenal in the final a couple years ago only to glance at another tv and see that they lost. Not happy!

Fred Davis: Time Shifter

Moral of the story: don't bite anyone in Mexico.

Interesting thing about Fred Davis and his sense of time: why did it take 2+ weeks to issue an apology? Wouldn't most people do it within a day or two of the original offense?

anyone else here going to see Indiana Jones and the Kingom of the Crystal Skull tonight? I'm seeing it at midnight and i'm stoked!

I never take anything personal or serious.

If you guys want to discuss soccer and star wars, then please do so. But Others who can't relate to the conversation will make an attempt to do so first. Sometimes it seems they're trolling but they're trying to fir in some how.

Man I've heard that VA Beach rumor before, but it just seems crazy to me. I've had to do coaching courses down there the past few years in June and July for soccer (the other football). Do you have any idea how freaking hot it is in VA Beach in July?

Its freaking hot.

I know Ashburn isn't a cool breeze either that time of year, but seriously. Its HOT!

So bring up something else to talk about. Don't just stand in ther corner all by your lonesome and whine about it. Crybaby.

Posted by: | May 21, 2008 12:55 PM

Why don't you grow some nuts? You're a reg, right? Or a wanna be?

I live in Ashburn Virginia.

The Skins KILL in training camp attendance.

NOVA/DC/Maryland Skins fans are RABID and show up in hordes.

Why change that? It is one of the cooler aspects of training camp to see thousands of people show so much love for da Skins.

I'll say one thing... Interstate 64 was not friendly to Allen Iverson or Marcus Vick.

they love the Skins in VA beach too.

If I'm going to put the Skins training camp someplace new ... its not going to be to a party town!!

Let me sum up my case: Pro athlethes, scantily clad women nearby, crazy college kids looking for a good time. Refreshments for all! Great for me, bad for Skins. I smell trouble!

My folks live in the 757 and I have to say that Redskins fanitude would be there for the move. Immediate results may not come (a lot of beltwayers have made training camp apart of their lives), but I think it will grow on the place. 757ers love sports. They're just living in a place that has identity issues that confuse the nation.

Tidewater
Hampton Roads
Norfolk
Virginia Beach
Chesapeake Bay Area

The cities need to pull together to get some national media advertising going. Agree on a name to call it and let the whole country know where you are. I bet the majority of people could get close to pointing out New York, Boston, DC, LA, Chicago, Miami, San Fransisco on a map. Where is Hampton Roads?

===Where is Hampton Roads?===

Near Tidewater.

jva and prodigal son, ditto here. Maybe Va Beach is a good place to raise more summer revenue, but nothing about it makes sense as a place for an NFL looking to prepare for an upcoming season ... boiling heat, beachgoing distraction, and I-95 btwn here and there. I say go back to Frostburg or some such in the mountains ... away from the heat, isolated from the distractions, and nothing but two lane byway btwn here and there. But then again, I'd rather having a winning season than increase my revenues by tapping into the summer vacationers' wallets.

Prodigal -- I kinda recall putting Mike Tyson at a beauty pageant ... that didn't work out either.

On the upside, I'm guessing Fred Davis will be up in time to judge the wet t-shirt contests

--Where is Hampton Roads?--

Or maybe near Virginia Beach.

Let me re-state my case more succintly:

Scantily clad women...pro athlethes...I smell (fill in the blank)

Yep, ole Freddy will be the Matt Lienart of the East Coast.

Let me re-state my case more succintly:

Scantily clad women...pro athlethes...I smell (fill in the blank)

Posted by: Prodigal Son | May 21, 2008 2:06 PM

... don't forget the alcohol ...

I don't think Virginia Beach would be such a good idea. Personally, the team should probably pick a venue very similar to Carlisle (if not Carlisle, itself). If you think there were readily-available distractions for the players in the DC area (Ashburn), just wait until they're partying it up in Virginia Beach and Norfolk.

If someplace in Virginia is to be the new site for training camp, I'd vote for someplace in the southwestern part of the state (Roanoke, for instance).

Another possible option would be Williamsburg. There are tons of athletic facilities in the Williamsburg/James City County/York County area, and its far enough away from Virginia Beach to kill some of the distractions.

Maybe they could try the Jamestown thing... just rename the whole place Jamestown. Doesn't every American have to learn about Jamestown or was that just us poor sorry Virginians that had to suffer through that depressing, overglorified history lesson.

"Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!"

by Great One

I have seen Indiana Jones already. you will love it especially at the end when

Just kidding, thought I was going to ruin it for you

If the NFL were to have a Minor League I would want the skins team in VA Beach. Training camp there would make sense in that case. in the present context though it does not.

I love the idea of building a Domed practice field in Assburn.

All I've got to say is, I've been to Virginia Beach. Even Saint Joe could be led astray! May God bless his retired soul.

G, What are talking about, and dont take my name

X.Hog is a bouncer in Va Beach. He could just not let our beloved athletes into the establishment.

Let's be solution oriented guys. Too many Debbie Downers up here.

I was wanting to move back to the Rt 13 Peninsula anyway. Just one more reason and I'm there! I have two years to save and plan...sounds good to me.

After reading the very good points on the VA Beach Party Problem, I am now against putting a practice facility there. If anything they should run a practice on the National Mall. between the Capitol and the Washington Monument.

Heard on the radio that Jessica Simpson was upset about some other chick being with John Mayer while she was dating Fumble-Fingers Romo. Apparently Mayer was packing something serious.

What does that say about Romo?

He's...sniff...my...sniff...quarterback!

G, What are talking about, and dont take my name

Posted by: Great One | May 21, 2008 2:16 PM

See what I'm sayin?

"Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!"

"... Another possible option would be Williamsburg. There are tons of athletic facilities in the Williamsburg/James City County/York County area, and its far enough away from Virginia Beach to kill some of the distractions."

Posted by: Gus | May 21, 2008 2:10 PM

All those colonial costumes, town criers, butter churners, barrel makers, such as ... how would that not be a distraction?

... although the image of Fred Smoot grabbing the bell from a town crier and trying to out-towncry the guy does have some appeal.

I dont think they should move to VA Beach. They should move training camp and other facilities to DC. They have been trying to figure out what to do whit RFK. turn it and surrounding space into Training camp and even a practice facility. I guranatee that would be exciting for fans

The Budwiser Factory is in Willamsburg too

Last I read, John Mayer is getting him some Jennifer Aniston. Is he the guy who wants to run through the halls of his high school? Seems like his type (the Dave Matthews-type) gets all the hotties. Seems like the hotties just don't dig speed metal.

nuff said!

"Heard on the radio that Jessica Simpson was upset about some other chick being with John Mayer while she was dating Fumble-Fingers Romo. Apparently Mayer was packing something serious.

What does that say about Romo?"

my friend told me that the only reason women get mad at men after they split is becuase you were "doing something right". or else, why would she care? women rule the world just because of their "little boxes".

The town crier argument sounds pretty appealing for Williamsburg. I would pay admission to the camp just to see that. How about back to Carlisle? I still remember my first camp I went to in Carlisle, great little community and not that many distractions.

I have this vision of the Spaghetti Gang trying to recruit PacMan Jones by bringing him to their training camp in Va Beach ... and giving him some time to check out the area ...

Impressive

didnt know you could be a hater and a loser at the same time

Next time you go to a concert venue, ask the ushers about what the women are like at a Dave Matthews concert. I swear, its worth going even if you don't know anything about the guy.

VA Beach is a horrible idea on like 25 levels! The heat/humidity being #1.

I am starting a fundraiser to get bail money for my donkey in the Mexecali houscow...detials forthcoming...

Isn't pacman under contract with the Cowboys? How does that make sense?

Impressive

didnt know you could be a hater and a loser at the same time

Posted by: Great One | May 21, 2008 2:28 PM

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Greg -- its a vision -- it doesn't need to make sense

CL, what'd he do?

Wasn't Barno supposed to come on here and ruin the blog or something?

JLC carelessly wrote:

"Some on the coaching staff would also worry about the issue of players racing up the highway to get back and forth from Virginia Beach on off days around home playoff games - then veterans racing..."

Uhh, don't you mean home preseason games? Sheesh. Since when did blogging come to mean that proofreading was no longer necessary?

I had a doll like that once...

But my cat, it bit its head off!

CL -- a true story ... spent a night in Tijuana with several friends, searching for the 'live burro act'. Apparently the burro had died happy. But in our search, we went to a few places where we almost died, not so happy.

Up here, we take our jibba jabba pretty seriously... come correct.

Now gramm(e)r, speling, and proofreading are not high on the priority list.

Also,

Panties!

Crazy west cost kids with your trips to Mexico to see bestiality.

it's not a donkey, it's a mentally challenged pig that cL shamelessly rides

Greater mustache, Jeff Fisher, Bill Cowher, or Mike Dicka?

At si.com, Don Banks with a little love for the new guy in Ashburn:

"... 3. What will be the feel-good story of the NFL preseason?

Put me down for the doubleheader of Potomac-area positive vibes being generated by the league's two most energetic and enthusiastic new head coaches in Baltimore's John Harbaugh and Washington's Jim Zorn. Neither has ever even been a coordinator in the NFL, let alone a head coach, but we'll have to find out if that's a plus or minus on their behalf. Harbaugh has the tougher task, taking over a veteran-laden Ravens team that's pretty set in its ways, and trying to whip it into a more disciplined and cohesive bunch. ..."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/don_banks/05/21/storylines/index.html

Factually, I have a recollection that Harbaugh was the special teams coordinator in Philly, but still, its always nice for someone to "feel good" about Coach Zorn.

"Up here, we take our jibba jabba pretty seriously... come correct."

yeah obviously. if you're not jibbin the jabba, then the blog "regs" won't have ya.

Cowher's reminds me of the dude with the beard in Jacka$ $ 2

Greater mustache, Jeff Fisher, Bill Cowher, or Mike Ditka?

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 2:43 PM

John Waters ... kidding ... Frank Zappa.

Mustaches are tired unless you have an underbite. But as fas as hairy lips in the NFL coaching ranks ... Russ Grimm.

Seriously, its late May.

Also, seriously... this isn't the playground or a fraternity. Quit crying and bring something interesting or relevant to the group.

On the mustache front, I think Tony Dungy would be the John Waters of the NFL ... of course, Dungy himself would say he's the Lee van Cleef of the NFL ... agree to disagree.

Neither Great One, nor No Outsiders should take umbrage.

Everyone is welcome up here...

DH

Yes or no.....

... bring something interesting or relevant to the group.

Posted by: Dorf | May 21, 2008 2:48 PM

... and our standards for interesting or relevant are EXTREMELY low, so its not a hard threshold. Just DON'T mention the 4-letter word that starts with "w".

Here is some real news I did not know:

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/05/21/redskins-looking-to-hire-a-blogger/

Dan Steinberg of the D.C. Sports Bog reports that the Washington Redskins are looking to hire a blogger. This is good news for Redskins fans, for bloggers, for blog readers -- for everyone who likes football and likes going online to get information about football.

The reason it's good news isn't so much that the Redskins want to host a blog at Redskins.com -- there's nothing inherently good about blogs -- but that according to Steinberg, the team is committed to the idea of bringing in a writer who actually covers the team more or less the way an independent blogger would, not just to re-print press releases and talk about what a genius Jim Zorn is.

Steinberg's colleague Jason La Canfora reported that Steinberg himself was a candidate for the job, and although that ain't happening, the mere fact that the team is reaching out to someone with that kind of journalistic background is impressive. This is a smart move for the Redskins.

Im a Virginia Beach resident and am estatic with this type of news. i want my tax dollars to go from paving the roads to the virginia beach sports plex ( which does have amazing fields for all types of sports ). the blitz ruled!!! however landry backed out again, of yet another autograph session.

Sween,

I cant say its a bad one. Better then big Andy's. Still though I would like to see a coach go for the full handlebar.

WORK!

--Dan Steinberg of the D.C. Sports Bog reports that the Washington Redskins are looking to hire a blogger.--

a blogger on the teams payroll. that's a big no thanks.

Jason,
As you were apparently a candidate for the job. How can we apply to be the Skins Blogger?

Sorry Misspoke. As you know about candidates for the job.

1. I JUST SAID not to mention that word! Go away Go Away Great One!

2. Alex, Rollie Fingers would be more fitting than the one that inspires my to think "koo koo katchoo" every time I see Andy Reid. The same stache on Holmgren looks cool, but on Reid, it just doesn't work. Probably the same reason it doesn't work on Mark Mangino.

Typo, they're looking for a Skins Logger. Those pesky trees are growing back.

Just DON'T mention the 4-letter word that starts with "w".

...WHAT is it?

DH

Yes or no.....

If you're talking baseball, then I say YES!

Whoever becomes the skins new blogger, I say we declare a preemptive war on their blog. We know nothing about who they are, or what they believe in, but we just know it will be everything that were against.

Agreed on the DH. What would you rather see, David Ortiz up to bat, or Greg Maddux?

nuff said....

I have to say, I was disappointed in Hampton Roads for not addressing the "Tunnel" issue. They need drive through that shabingus on a friday afternoon or simply watch "Deep Impact" to see what a potential disaster that thing is. And can we talk about North Carolina pitching in to the cause? They're milking the "OBX" thing dry and all of that traffic goes right through I-64.

Maybe Daniel Snyder could pay for some more tunnel lanes. He could paint them Maroon and Black (or burgundy and gold) and put his marketing genius to work to turn a profit. He becomes the saint of the city and everyone names their 1st son Daniel and their golden retrievers Snyder.

I still say bring trainig camp to DC

thanks 2:52, sort-of-anon.

Sween -- I swear Holmgren and Reid are the same person. Or twins.

1. Red(butter), I will accept w-h-a-t in all its 4-letter word glory. Its one I use alot, typically with an elevating intonation indicating a question.

2. Greg, American League rulz, National League drulz.

3. Mark Mangino is one of the coaches in the top row. http://www.bevosports.com/images/southparkcoaches.jpg

JLC wrote in this blog; "Some on the coaching staff would also worry about the issue of players racing up the highway to get back and forth from Virginia Beach on off days around home playoff games - then veterans racing against the clock to report back down to the training complex at the beach"

Ummmm maybe I'm a retard but why are the skins playing home playoff games during mini camp? Playoffs?!?!

I say no to the DH, nancy AL, a real man can throw the ball and hit it. But I also say rase the mound back to 15 inches.

Greg, I could never figure out why the NL refuses to adopt the DH rule. What, are you taking valuable swings away from Tom Glavine?

Must be a fantasy thing. But then again, Carlos Zambrano can hit also. Gotta love a pitcher who GETS his own RBI.

I see Holmgren and I think "wistful".

I see Reid and I think "oily".

[I see Wade Phillips and see that Pepsi commercial where he sticks out his fat tongue for the yawn play.]

My favorite thing about that Pepsi commercial with the yawn play is watching Romo getting sacked trying to execute the Yawn Coast Offense.

While we are discussing sports rules.

Should the NFL do away with the coin toss for something more interesting? One thing I loved about the XFL was that race for the ball to get possession in the beginning of the game. I would say that or have two linemen sumo for it.

While we are discussing sports rules.

Should the NFL do away with the coin toss for something more interesting? One thing I loved about the XFL was that race for the ball to get possession in the beginning of the game. I would say that or have two linemen sumo for it.

[I see Wade Phillips and see that Pepsi commercial where he sticks out his fat tongue for the yawn play.]

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2008 3:09 PM

Phillips' tongue looks white in that commercial, like he's been drink similac or something.

Alex, while I can appreciate your desire to have purity in baseball, its just not happening.

Red, no kidding, I just don't get it. Guys who can actually hit the ball, versus guys who put their batting helmets on backwards....tough choice...

Greg, you mean the 15 in mound? It will return by god it will return.

Red(Formula), I'm not even going to touch the possibilities for why Phillips tongue might appear white.

In other news, apparently the Miami Cowboys really ARE done with Jason Taylor:

... "I know that Jason is not going to be at any OTA's," Sparano said. "I know that Jason will not be at any minicamps. I know that right now Jason is not going to be at training camp. ..."

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-0521taylor,0,3551986.story

I've been a little concerned about the talent that the Cowboys have been raking in this offseason ... so now I would be OK with Taylor being this offseason's plash in Ashburn.

I guranatee that would be exciting for fans

Posted by: Great One | May 21, 2008 2:21 PM

------------------

Any other guarantees, GO?

Speaking of uniforms... whats that???

No one talking uniforms?

Anyway, will we start to see patches, or decals on NFL uniforms? Something is just werid seeing a "Cialis" on a jersey.

Larry Michael hates JLC

"I've been a little concerned about the talent that the Cowboys have been raking in this offseason"

Who did you mean by this? I know they lost Julius Jones, but who did they bring in? Pacman?

Sources ... uhdoy.

I wish Jason Taylor would go away now. I'm not mad at him for wanting to explore other options, since he is nearing the end anyway. But does it have to be a HUGE issue, or the top 5 topics in football everyday. I'm sure Dolphins fans would rather be concerned about UDFA's than "The Dancing Dolphin".

Great career, kind of started the whole DE @ like, 6-4, 265-270 thing. Not a HOF'er IMO.

Also, Alex, they aren't raising the mound. I know that a 1-0 pitchers duel is beautiful to some people, but the masses like to see bombs leaving the park.

stay the course, great one.

"This is Larry Michael reporting for Redskins Radio, from deep inside of Dan Snyders butt cheeks, I just want to say that I think the redskins are going to go 16-0 this year, Jim Zorn is the next Joe Gibbs, and I have to say it just smells like Roses in here. "

I agree GO.

Red's right. You need to stay the course. Dcsween is right too, I need to go away...

See?

The regs are standing up for ya.

;-)

Red, JT is a first ballot guy. 117 sacks in a 10 year career. Yeah, he makes it in, first time. He was a game changer, and don't kid yourself, he's 245-250, if not less.

I think it's bad that I really begin to follow baseball recently (about 15 years ago). I'm used to seeing HR's quite often. They're saying that the game is changing, and the small ball tactics are coming back.

F the Rockies. Good group of young players, but F em'. Gimme 400 ft. bombs all day.

Taylor would be a good acquisition for most teams, but he just isn't the right fit here. Too bad. He'd replace Andre Carter who is playing well and in his prime. Just not enough of a step up to justify the costs involved.

Taylor is a temporary for a team that needs a top pass rusher. I could see the Gints making a play for him if Strahan doesn't return

3:32 was me

If I owned a baseball team, I would build a park with no outfield fence. Maybe have a hill 600 feet away from the plate

Greg, on closer reflection, you're right ... other than Pacman Jones (who IS a valid threat as a PR/KR), the only other guy is Zach Thomas. They did draft well (Felix Jones, Mike Jenkins), but not that well ... mostly a replacement and an age-related need ... plus, half of their coaches moved to Miami. Never mind. Bring on the yawn play. [Maybe it was Philly that was giving me the yips, but that can't really be it either b/c former Pats never quite play as well outside of Boston.]

Bigger ... smaller ... computers? SAN DIMAS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL RULES!

Also, Go Away Great One, I was just being rhetorical ... feel free to hang, pull up a chair, just please watch the "w" word ... I'll chalk it up to Tourrettes or something ...

Hmmm, i didn't know Jason Taylor put up those sack totals in only 10 years.

Impressive.

If he's less than 250, and averages over 10 sacks/, then he must be strong like bull. Funny thing is he doesn't look it.

Okay, I'm aggressively lobbying for Chris Wilson this season.

Taylor is a temporary for a team that needs a top pass rusher. I could see the Gints making a play for him if Strahan doesn't return

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | May 21, 2008 3:33 PM

Yes, I was over-reacting ... caffeine-inspired paranoia. For all intents and purposes (intensive purposes?), Taylor is done. He's just ready for one or two more seasons ... the guy to be picked up by some team in desperate need right before the start of the season, if not right after it starts ... like the role Randall Godfrey had for us this year (maybe even Kendall ... that that one was a win/win for everyone but the Jets). Solid, as necessary, but not any sort of solution that you want to have to bank on.

Re: 3:35 post

I'm with ya. That dumb hill that sits in minute maid park for NO REASON is so lame.

What purpose does it serve?

Rox, do have some young cats who can rake. Tulo, comes to mind.

WYLD STALLYNS RULE!!

- .250

Al, don't forget the choo-choo train. Every park MUST have one of those.

I don't think VaBeach is a good place for training camp. As mentioned (numerous times), its extremely hot and humid down there during July and August.

When DS decides to work towards winning a superbowl, rather than work towards making another buck, maybe this team trains at a remote location and really becomes a team.

Football isn't what is used to be.....

I wouldn't go so far as to say Taylor is done. He'll be an impact player wherever he winds up for 2-3 years. But the Skins have a guy who is a lot like Taylor, just not as good.

The hill and the train at Minute Maid Park - (AKA - The Juice Box) are essential ingredients to the overall fan experience. How, I really don't know - it just does.

And BTW, if you look at the cargo in the train's car, they are giant oranges that have faded in the sun, and they look just like a large load of pumpkins.

It's a strange place to watch a ballgame.

If Taylor were on the open market sure I would make a run. But he is not worth more then a 6th round pick now.

A train? Maybe. But I have liked the idea of no fences for a long time. Hard hit balls are more likely to become HRs than a long fly. And guys would have to run!!

The HR is so valuable in baseball that you get all these guys that can't move (Cecil Fielder, Mark McGuire) and who have only one talent and that is their swing.

The most exciting plays in baseball are defensive plays, not some fat guy trotting around for 360 feet.

Plus, I kinda like the idea of putting out a sheet on the ground and watching a baseball game from a hill 700 feet away. Just us tight wads who refuse to pay for a real seat

"AKA - The Juice Box"

Juice Box???

Song: Juice Box

JOC: Ay Zoe
ZOE: Whaddup Joc
JOC: There's alotta women out here
ZOE: Yuh
JOC: And all they wanna do is have a good time thats right
ZOE: Hehehehe
JOC: We gotta give em somethin new to say
ZOE: Like what?
JOC: Let's name it somethin else
ZOE: Juice box?

I make a Juice box wet, wet, wet, wet, wet, wet
I make a Juice box drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip
I make a Juice box talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk
I make a juice box pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop

I did that in KC once when visiting.

Juice Box - Minute Maid (shrugs shoulders) - I like the song, though I don't think the good people of Houston would really get into that...

The Danny's butt smells like roses?

The blog is getting slow need something to get it swinging again. How about a discussion of the merits of a 17 game season.

17 game season would just make NFL an even bigger yawnfest. College is already much better (IMO of course), no need to water down the NFL regular season even more.

As if they aren't making enough money now, isn't the NFL the richest sport in the US?

++++--Where is Hampton Roads?--++++

It's near Langley AFB. I used to be the base IO there a few wars back. They used to have a C-123 spray flight, which was used to spray for mosquitos. (Yeah, same dudes did the Agent Orange Thing in 'nam. But at the time, who knew?)

My point? LOTS of skeeters in that area. If they move camp, bring your Off! dudes.

Also, one of the benes of my gig is I flew with them a couple of times. (The C-123s, not the Mosquitoes.)

Disney doesn't have an E-ticket ride to compare with flying at 150 feet at 150 MPH. then slamming a wingover into a hammerhead turn to fly back the other way.

Golnabbit. I love tellin' the old war stor...hey you kids! Offa my ALWN!

Two new NFL rules I'd suggest
1. If the defense gets called for a penalty during a play in the last 2 minutes, the clock is reset to the start of the play. Because sometimes 7 seconds is more valuable that 5 yards

2. If a player is running off the field and is almost at the sidelines when the play starts, he is the 12th man on the field. first violation each game gets a warning, not a penalty. The frigging Super Bowl result almost changed because a Giant player was running off the field and Belichek won a challenge on it.

I think a 17 game season could work. one more gamee is not going to throw off the balance of the NFL. it should be a win,win. the owners get more money and the players get another game check

AL, Zeke, etc

Rule change: Stop giving 15 yard penalties and 1st downs for taunting. I understand you want to control the game but dont take all the emotions out of it.

Apparently the arrows in my last post didn't show up!!!

sams3 u should announce ur name change to great one b/c its u

Just admiring my RI work today. Great ideas like baseball without fences and with a hill for tightwads instead of bleachers.

NFL, two new rules

Fred Davis, move him to Tokyo and use the international date line to get him where he needs to be.

And references to Slap Shot (the Hanson Brothers) and the Burro act in Tijuana.

I need a nap.

The 17 game season is a strange idea - I think it's a bad one for everyone but owners. Sure, you'd like to see another game, but what about injuries to players and overall faitigue?

I have no idea who sams 3 is

Al Zeke Arrows are a html tool so they make things disappear.

I am for the 17 game season, with 16 AFC-NFC games on "Neutral" ground, put some games in LA, some games in London or wherever around the world. I would love to see an annual Skins Ravens Game in Annapolis or something, or Giants Jets at Yankee Stadium or Mets Stadium.

John D in houston, the players would rather play 1 more meaningful game then get hurt in preseason when they dont get their full checks.

FYI on the 17 game rule it does mean we lose a pre-season game. So they play the same number of games overall.

I got no problem with 17 game season. But I'm guessing the players will want more $$, so whats it really worth to the owners?

The 17 game season is a strange idea - I think it's a bad one for everyone but owners. Sure, you'd like to see another game, but what about injuries to players and overall faitigue?

Posted by: John D in Houston | May 21, 2008 4:26 PM
Also, only half the teams would get 9 home games, so half the teams would be "penalized".....
And the players get their yearly salary paid out in game checks; adding another game wouldn't give the players more money unless the NFLPA arbitrated it into the contact....

Because the Commissioner threw the idea of a 17th game out there, the owners are going to rally around it, if only to have something to back down from in the upcoming CBA renegotiations.

My only question is how to make it work, like how to do you figure out which team you play for the 17th game. The current 16 game schedule has some nice orderly rules to it, based on how you ranked in the division the preceding season. The six division games, home and away, are easy. The divisional matchups where every team in the division plays every team in two other divisions (splitting home and away) is also very tidy. That's another eight games. The final two games, also where which divisions play which divisions, are also pre-figure-out-able (based on where you finished within your division).

How do you figure the 17th game? The home-away part seems straightforward enough ... its 50/50 alternating years ... but WHO do they play?

That part of it ... and how 17 is a prime number ... are what I don't like about it.

From my understanding of the 17 game strategy. its 8 home- 8 away and 1 neutral ground.

just gettin caught up - Dorf, wasn't C-Webb also pulled on 64 or was it 95?

My suggestion for the NBA playoffs. Knockout games.

9 teams make it in each conference. Seed 'em 1-9.

First round has 6 play 9 and 7 play 8. One game, winner moves on. Losers are gone.

Round two has the two first round winners play the 4 and 5 seeds. One game. Losers are gone.

The winners from round 2 play each other. One game. That winner is the number 4 seed.

And then its goes to best of 7 for rest of the way.

Sween,
I would like to see a yearly AFC-NFC rivalry game in the 17th game
Skins-Ravens, SF-Oak, KC-Stl, NYG-NYJ, Phi-Pit, Hou-Dal and so on. As I said its going to be their Neutral ground game so they can play games in LA, Toronto, Europe and Mexico as well as US cities that dont have teams, maybe Orlando will get one, Columbus

Indy and Chicago at South Bend.
Detroit and Buffalo in Toronto
SD and AZ in Vegas.
Denver vs Seattle, in Salt Lake or somewhere in the NW.
TB-Miami in Orlando

There can be others as well but those are off the top of my head for natural rivalries that could form.

I'm thinking the natural rivalries for the NFC East are

Skins and Raiders
Dallas and New England
Giants and Colts
Eagles and Steelers

Skins and Raiders (which owner sucks more?)
Dallas and New England (which QB has knocked up a hotter woman?)
Giants and Colts (Manning vs Manning)
Eagles and Steelers (who wins PA?)

Rather than the Ravens or Raiders, seems like the Skins latest natural rivals have been Tampa Bay (and, to a lesser extent, only because it didn't turn out so well for the Skins, Seattle).

Skins Raiders? Well its an easy win. Odds are the NFL will have it be more along the lines that the No 1.AFC plays the No 1. NFC and go down the list through all 16 rankings. I do love the idea of playing in more cities rather than expansion to 33 teams, give LA 5-8 games against random teams for MNF or something.

There can be others as well but those are off the top of my head for natural rivalries that could form.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 4:43 PM

Can I add Baltimore and Washington in Washington, DC (say RFK stadium) to that list?
Sounds a lot better than Iggles/Steelers in Harrisburg or State College

Adam

I was basing everything off what we have seen in the games played overseas, which have always been NFC AFC.

"I've been a little concerned about the talent that the Cowboys have been raking in this offseason"

Who did you mean by this? I know they lost Julius Jones, but who did they bring in? Pacman?

Posted by: Greg | May 21, 2008 3:24 PM

The basis for my Dallas paranoia just came back to me ... its about who they HAVEN'T yet signed plus their cap space that worries me, esp. that Jerrah was supposably in the big receiver sweepstakes going after Chad Johnson too. Plus, reading that now Boldin is officially wanting out of Arizona worries me ... and that Jason Taylor still lurks out there. In addition to his coach poaching, Parcells just swiped a couple of actual players for the Fins. At some point, Jerrah is going to say "comma dude, you owe me, at least karmically."

Adam,
I had them in my first group, allong with Dallas vs Houston (I would have that in Longhorn stadium). If they do 17 games I would like to see them played regularly in the same spots between the two cities for those teams but expect to see.

1 in ASIA
2 in Europe
2 in North America (Canada/Mexico)
1 in Australia or South America
10 in a random group of US cities with a bunch in LA.

Thought the Boys were signing Osama to be their big, elusive slot receiver, or was I misinformed?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8rZmPENqU4

Adam

If they do 17 games I would like to see them played regularly in the same spots between the two cities for those teams but expect to see.

1 in ASIA

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 4:57 PM

Wouldn't that be sweet ... then at halftime, they could have a reunion tune by the band Asia ... or the Vapors.

Don't forget India, the Skins cheerleaders are already there.

Alex35332 (and Bangkok Ben)

What's the over/under on arrests/diplomatic incidents from a Boys/Bengals game in Bangkok after both teams hit Patpong alley?

Adam

I don't know what my problem is exactly...I love the idea of shortening the preseason, but a 17 game season with one conference having more home games every other year? Sounds like an opening for "Well, you know the NFC had more home games this year. So they're still not as good as the AFC" bull.

That part of it ... and how 17 is a prime number ... are what I don't like about it.

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2008 4:33 PM

I just saw your post, sween, sorry. The current NFL structure is a thing of symmetrical beauty.

32 teams in the league
16 teams in a conference
4 divisions in a conference
4 teams in a division

AND 16 games in a regular season.

That doesn't even touch the symmetry in the playoffs. This (and the mere existance of NFL playoffs) one of the reasons I prefer pros to college ball. I know that makes me sound souless to I-A football diehards, but I think computers determining who plays in a "championship game" is pretty souless, too.

college football sux

redskirt, I'm with you ... I'm a big fan of exponents of two.

To me, there is no comparison between PRo/College FB. Pro whups its azz in every way. Now I really do enjot college FB dont get me wrong but:

1. The wide range of the talent level of the teams makes college uneven and lopsided most games

2. At least there is no pretense in Pro FB, dudes get paid. The college game is so corrupt its taints the experience

3. The polling, the computers, the rankings, no playoffs. Well that is al very lame.

4. College FB is often exploitive on many levels.

5. Saturdays its hard to justify taking both weekend days away from the family

6. Bowl Games are lame

7. The option offense is way lame

8. F tradition

9. Pro game actually has smaller stadiums!

10. Just cuz!

But I do still love college FB...

As a W&M grad, I agree with you on everything but #8.

F Antidisestablish...antidisiblish...antidistiblink...anti-distinctly minty...

ah heck. F cL ;)

"32 teams in the league
16 teams in a conference
4 divisions in a conference
4 teams in a division

AND 16 games in a regular season."

4 8 15 16 23 42. Ah crap, the season finale isn't until next Thursday!

- .250

Good news for cL...'Blacky' has been paroled.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/odd_mexico_jailed_burro;_ylt=AhSswlPfYLdFKT9XvJgidUHtiBIF

- .250

Hm, could that have been a Numb3rs reference?

redskirt- I'll go out on a limb and guess you don't watch 'Lost'?

- .250

Confucious say....

He who chase Maskrat hard, find himself feeling ratsh*t.

CL I agree with all but No. 6. I have no beef with the option offense and the other more "creative" offenses that can be used in college.

kost- Looks like you slept right through the game.

- .250

Hey Kost -- Geelong -- still unbeaten

next couple games aren't exactly against powerhouses either

.250 - Yeah, although one of my wonderful mates managed to send me an sms around 5am. Which I guess means Man U won?

AL,Zeke,etc - Yeah, I guess the good thing is that we aren't playing well, but still winning. Hopefully we can hit form on the run into the finals.

8 straight wins and not playing well ... Skins fans haven't had that issue in a while ...

++++erstand you want to control the game but dont take all the emotions out of it.

Posted by: Great One | May 21, 2008 4:20 PM++++

Dude, you are right on. YOU know, at least, that's it's about the sizzle, not the steak.

But you don't go far enough. I say let's penalize the dullards in football.

Don't celebrate after a meaningless sack? That's 15 yards and a suspension.

Failure to spike the ball imaginatively after a TD? Forfeit.

Guys like Riggins screwed up a great game by just handing the ball to the ref after a TD, instead of dancing.

Think how many years this could add to Jason Taylor's football career.

Heck, teams could even have designated dance squads--dressed in unis. They'd come out after a score and do a highly choreographed routine.

Or perhaps, allow the defense to counter-dance with THEIR dance squad, and if they are impressive, eliminate the score for the other team.

Why you could have people text message their votes.

I think Deion could return to the game.

This is what Football needs!

No more "No Fun League!" Whooooo-Hoooooo! Par-TAY!

Here's another genius idea. Make it 12 people per team and ONE of them must be a topless female Go-Go dancer.

More flash. More trash. Hey, Trash talking contests at halftime!

Other ideas, fellow Geniuses?

So when you off to Vanuatu?

Monday morning! Can't wait to get out there, going to be awesome!

Try not to come back with too many girlfriends

Other ideas, fellow Geniuses?

Posted by: Corkczar | May 21, 2008 6:25 PM

How about we put a target beyond the uprights, and if the kicker hits it on a XP, streamers and fireworks go off around the stadium, and he wins a million dollars?

Hahaha I'll do my best!

You hold a tribal council at halftime where each team gets to vote someone out of the game

Other ideas, fellow Geniuses?

Posted by: Corkczar | May 21, 2008 6:25 PM

What about putting random sensors under astroturf and when a player steps on them it sets off a random strobe light.

Three words:
Randomly exploding footballs

Kost, you'll love it. Use the credit card, its usually the cheapest way to pay for stuff in other currencies

Guilty as charged.

Random releasing of rabid wolfs onto the field.

full of salad tossers around here.

Sometimes it seems like guys just try harder in college games.

Also, I would love to see the Oakland Raiders vs. the USC Trojans. The NFL losers would CRUSH the NCAA elite.

Steinbog had some more hubbub about Jasno this week ... getting all indignant about Jasno outing him about getting called by the Skins to be the Skins blogger.

You know I love the jibba jabba up here, and I really love the football, but how did the beat reporter become the "story"? I'm not sure he realizes it (because he stopped reading below the thread long ago). I know Steinblog reads below b/c sometimes he still posts ... and Florio does too ... and definitely the Mottram bros do ... maybe b/c there are still fewer than 20 comments below the thread starter (though pft has been busting 50 lately).

Sheesh, back in the day ... it USED to be about the game ... that and the ridicule.

kost, did you have any scary dreams last night? I trust you've learned your lesson, young man ... that muscat will only ever lead to stomas ...

This Fred Davis thing is a freakin' bore!!! I know we don't have a bunch of free agents to talk about, but my goodness.

I am more worried about Laron Landry. The last thing we need is our best DB acting like an azz...

sicwidit, agreed. I'd like to hear about what's going on with Landry as well. I know that St. Joe was big into the character thing, so I'm not real worried, but it does seem a little off that he's not hanging with the team. Has he even been in town at ALL this spring?

Does anybody really think that NFL teams would surrender 1/2 a home game a year to a 'neutral site' where they have to give a cut to someone else and the stadiums are likely smaller? Yes, they are losing a preseason game in this scenario but remember how the economics work for a typical franchise: TV pays the players, gate pays the operating costs, and concession is the profit (yes, the Redskins among others have done better but this is basically the norm). So giving up home concessions even at an underattended preseason game seems crazy. This is just a PR ploy by the owners in the 'we care about the fans' vein. Starting shot in a 3 year PR war that is just starting.

Plus I like even numbers.

Why did Mark Mosley have a perm?

Why did Stephen Davis fumble the ball against the Cardinals?

Why do people think Jason Campbell is dumb?

Why were people acting like Ryan Clark was Ronnie Lott?

Is Kenny Watson really good?

Why does Marvin Lewis still have a job?

Why do I want to do Kim Kardashian?

Why do Steve Czaban and "Smokin" Al Coken hate the FO?

Do you miss Bill Walton? I do.

Is the Redskins FO really the worst in the league?

Why was Joe Jacoby allowed to play with that club on his hand?

What happened to Reggie Brroks?

Sween,

Isn't Landry's behavior eeriley similar to how Sean Taylor acted?

Midget Porn

kost52
I like the idea for the Bullseye between the sticks. Instead of the kicker wins a million, a fan wins a million and if the opposing teams kicker hits the bullseye later, that fan loses the Million.... That would be a great homefield advantage... fans going nuts on the P.A.T.

sicwidit, you know I had the same thought when I was reading down through the last few comments. I remember worrying about Sean when he didn't return St. Joe's phone calls or during the whole retaliation thing in Miami, but he turned out well. I miss knowing he'll step out on the field for us.

My other thought is, if LL IS acting up, I wonder if his good behavior last year had anything to do with him respecting Sean, maybe even being a little afraid of him?

sween, I did learn a lesson, from now on I'll be much more hesitant about googling something you wrote just before bedtime!

what a long strange trip it's been.

CLEGG- That'd be awesome, can you imagine all the boos the away kicker would be getting if he 'stole' the money!

I have one word to describe this move.dumb last thing you want is a unhappy player.

If you are going to add games to the regular season, it would have to be 18. This is just a ploy by the owners for leverage on the next CBA.

It seems kinda dead in here. I've been at class all week; I'm taking summer classes obviously. Considering Zornskins' comment, I doubt we'll end up with 17 games in the regular season. It is all about making money in this league even though spending is slightly regulated. The way Gene Upshaw is acting is disgusting to me because he's saying he won't give in to something that's in the best interest of the players, but you guys all know my reasons for that. What's happened with LL? I've been out of the loop on that one.

Hi Karen. We're talking about this bit that was in Jasno's post:

"Second-year safety LaRon Landry has not been around the facility much this off season, drew plenty of attention for his post-practice race with Clinton Portis a few weeks back and ended up skipping the Beach Blitz event after telling people within the organization that he would attend. Landry attained a fair degree of fame in his rookie season and while no one is freaking out about any of this, there are some within the building keeping their fingers crossed he maintains the same attitude he exhibited as a rookie ..."

Why do people think Jason Campbell is dumb?

Posted by: sicwidit | May 21, 2008 8:10 PM

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People think JC is dumb because he breathes through his mouth and makes ill advised decisions on the football field which demoralize the team and sends the team into a funky firk of a joinky jerk of a funk from which they finally emerge in the nick of time with four games left to play in the regular season with a 37 year old career backup who breathes through his nose under center, playing the role of savior and making Joe Gibbs look very dumb in the process.

LL looked like the most pissed off guy on the sideline during the playoff loss in Seattle after making 2 picks. I wouldn't worry about him showing up Sundays.

I got a deviated septum. You guys are a-holes.

Looks like this place could use some tequila!!

JC got a bad rap starting with his Wunderlich (14 I think - pretty bad - Brock Berlin and Jim Sorgi territory). Like many others he did much better the 2nd time. But I think with all the confusing offenses he has been trying to learn, for some unfortunate reason the 'Jason is not so smart' thread has lived on. I wouldn't distinguish the guy either way - not some sort of genius but not clueless either. I would say he from a smarts standpoint he is better at absorbing stuff then making quick decisions, I am not sure which is better but I think on the field decisions are more key.

Dan Marino had a 14 by the way. And Sage Rosenfelds had like a 32 or something.

Does the team know where he is? He got drafted from LSU if I'm thinking correctly. So do they have anything similar to the Miami spring training thing where all the Miami players go there frequently instead of going to non-mandatory OTA's? If the team hasn't had any contact with him, unless he's in a coma, they ought to fine him for every day he stays silent and doesn't communicate with the coaching staff. This will send a message so there's no crap as to where the players are in the offseason. If you're not going to be at OTA's you should at least have complete communication with your team so you can be prepared when training camp starts. IMO. Have a good night everyone.

I worried about Laron Landry...I hope Blache rips him a new one...

I know some of this stuff ain't mandatory, but damn... You ain't Sean T.

I am really routing for JC...I think we need to take the Pampers off that dude though. He has to show real leadership this year. No more..."he's young", "he's got the tools"...he has to produce. For me he doesn't have to win a Super Bowl, but he has to hit his weapons. Personally, I think that Tampa loss was on him. That was a horrible INT at the end. In the Green Bay game...Santana Moss should have turned in his game check.

Counter argument to Zornskins. Just for arguments sake.

Does anybody really think that NFL teams would surrender 1/2 a home game a year to a 'neutral site' where they have to give a cut to someone else and the stadiums are likely smaller?

There are roughly 50 Stadiums in the US that are bigger than the smallest NFL stadium *Chicago now but used to be Indy, and 8 bigger then FedEx. Teams would be sacrificing 1 pre-season games worth of profits which is not nearly 1/2 a home game. Most pre-season games don't fill the stadium anyway, I would argue that the profits the teams would "lose" would be less than that and would be balanced out by a 17th game, likely in prime time.

Yes, they are losing a preseason game in this scenario but remember how the economics work for a typical franchise: TV pays the players, gate pays the operating costs, and concession is the profit (yes, the Redskins among others have done better but this is basically the norm). So giving up home concessions even at an underattended preseason game seems crazy.

There are ton's of other spots that teams get profits from that your missing here, and as I stated above teams would be able to get more money from the increased value in advertising a real game over a pre-season game. The value of advertising based on the value of the game in prime time and it matters so more viewers= more advertising dollars. Playing in larger stadiums could mean more concession revenue to be divided among the teams, not to mention games overseas is good marketing and brand expansion, with more sales for shirts and stuff like that. However this is pure speculation on both our parts, I am sure the NFL will do a cost benefit analysis before they make any decision, if they have not already.

This is just a PR ploy by the owners in the 'we care about the fans' vein. Starting shot in a 3 year PR war that is just starting.

This is something Goodell brought up the day he took charge, along with playing a super-bowl out of the US, so I don't think thats the case, I think the King of the NFL dreams of the NFL brand going global. The idea came from Goodell not the owners.
Thing is the owners are not going to stand by forever, with one team getting shorted a game in the 8 game schedule like they have been the last few years.

Plus I like even numbers.
I like the idea of odd numbers, I loath the idea of .500 teams. This is the ultimate american sport and in america you win or you lose, no in between. .500 is Bolshevism, shear Bolshevism.

Last year the luckiest QB was Romo. How many snaps went over his head, with one hitting him in the face mask, yet the ball seemed to bounce back to him or the girls. JC is compared to Romo alot and needs to step up this year. If he does not show he has "IT" we need to bite the bullet and move on. The problem is who will be his replacement?

Instead of developing someone over the last few years we chose to go with two "older" guys that do not have many years left. So what does that leave the Skins??

Even if there is a super QB in next years draft, 1)are we able to draft him based on where we will pick and 2)can that person come in a play in year one??

We may be giving up a 1st rd pick in order to trade for someone (Anderson or Quinn) to come in and play for us. JC needs to step up and be the QB we thought he was/is or we could be three steps back from where we could have been by keeping one of our former QBs that was here during the Spurrier years.

SLC -- just to add to your question list. Why did the Post have to buyout Kornheiser's contract? Given how little he did for the Post, seems like Tony owes them $$$.

This is just a PR ploy by the owners in the 'we care about the fans' vein. Starting shot in a 3 year PR war that is just starting.

This is something Goodell brought up the day he took charge, along with playing a super-bowl out of the US, so I don't think that's the case, I think the King of the NFL dreams of the NFL brand going global. The idea came from Goodell not the owners.
Thing is the owners are not going to stand by forever, with one team getting shorted a game in the 8 game schedule like they have been the last few years.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 11:09 PM

The opt out is neither a PR ploy nor an attempt to get games played overseas. This is about leverage and getting what the owners were not able to get in the rush to extend the last CBA.

This is about Bonus $$$ and discipline. Based on the ruling made on Vick's bonus money, the owners need to be able to recoup bonus money due to breach of contract similar to Vick's situation. And for some reason the hair length is an issue for the owners and they are not able to discipline players for the way they wear there hair.

Especially during Marshall Goodell's regime of tougher penalties to repeat offenders, the owners need to be able to get bonuses money for players who pull either a "pac-man" or "vick" on them.

IMO they can live with players getting 60% of revenues, but want to protect themselves from the two situations I mentioned above.

****Minibingus Report****

Arsenal didn't lose!

I am really routing for JC...

Posted by: sicwidit | May 21, 2008 10:59 PM

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Shouldn't it be "rooting for," rather than "routing for?"

alert

Cooley is on Yahoo front page. It is about his wife giving up that high paying cheerleader job - for a poor simple TE.

What about adding two regular season games in place of two preseason games? That way each team could play every team in three other divisions plus their 6 own division games. You keep the symmetry and even numbers of home games for all.

Cooley's wife is hot! He is lucky man.
Hey jason did you get an invite. I hear Chris put you at the table with Danny Boy
and Wilbon!

Bring them back to Carlisle.

Curzon,
we were not talking about the op out but the 17th game.

Man, she is hot.....Cooley doesn't sound ashamed of his taste for the nectar....hope Goodell doesn't catch wind of any of that.

I got a good question for the blog, who is more like Riggo, or gets the Mr. Redskin award? Portis or Cooley. I have to say Cooley, because once you read his blog, he seems to do silly stuff off the field more then CP, big drinker and regular goof ball, he is also willing to say what he thinks on issues surrounding football at large. Not to mention marrying an ex-skins cheer leader, cant get more Cool(ey) than that.

Redskins should've drafted Brian Brohm.

Hell, I'd rather have a second punter than Colt Brennan.

I demand a blog vote! Who is Mr. Redskin.

If your interested post your response and I will do the tally end of the day, though to make it easier, please put a quick 35332 in your response so I can find them quick with a search function.

-Alex 35332 Zeese.

Whoa, did someone say we might need to make a move for Brady Quinn?

Brady Quinn won't compare to Campbell. I'm hoping my boy Stafford doesn't go pro next year, but if he does Skins might wanna jump on that real quick. Zorn could make him something special and he'd have been coached under great QB coaches Mark Richt and Mike Bobo and then under Zorn.

Mr. Redskins = Rock Cartwright.

Hizzle,
A interesting choice. A fan favorite for sure.

Some good points Alex. But I think it will come down to in the end that the players who run NFLPA (read: starters) will demand to get paid more for a 17th game, where they actually have to play, instead of current system where they run 2 series and then head to the bench.

Also as Kurzon said clarity on contractual obligations as boring as that sounds may be at the heart of the owners' beef here. If they can pay 60% but not have to pay Michael VIck like players I think that would probably fly. Not so sure about the hair though

Personally I think international SB as Alex suggests is more likely than 17 game season.

I still like even numbers though.

Plus I like even numbers.
I like the idea of odd numbers, I loath the idea of .500 teams. This is the ultimate american sport and in america you win or you lose, no in between. .500 is Bolshevism, shear Bolshevism.

Posted by: Alex35332 | May 21, 2008 11:09 PM

Ethan Albright

His skin is white but with a redish tint. I mean just look at the guy...FEROCITY. He could pummel Rock like David did to David.

http://www.nfl.com/players/ethanalbright/profile?id=ALB637766

Alex -
Do you mean among current Redskins players?

35332
Chris Samuels gets my vote; dude is a pro bowler year after year and never seems to get hurt or get into trouble. Plus he's been a skin his whole career.

This is a tough one, 35332... I would think spending one's entire career in the crimson and lemon adds heft to the case for any Mr. Redskin nomination. Cooley is a leading candidate, to be sure. No argument there.

But I'm going to look past the recent injury problems and pick Jon Jansen, for his warrior characteristics, his longevity, the likelihood he spends his entire career in our uniform, and for being an O lineman.

-Nate in the PDX

Red,
yes current players only, I know that Green is still Mr. Redskins for Live.

Red,
yes current players only, I know that Green is still Mr. Redskins for Life

Its still early but seems to be zero consensus on this, which I guess is a great example of how loyal our fans are towards players.

PDX, I got my button in the mail. Its now on my skins jersey ready for the 7th.

K just wanted to make sure.

I think the Chris Samuels argument is a good one. Yes, he never SEEMS to get hurt (though at the beginning of last season he spent most of training camp rehabbing from an injury...was it a knee injury? I can't remember now).

But come the regular season, he was ready to play. My vote goes to Samuels.

Oh wait, everything I said about Jansen goes for Samuels, minus one year of tenure and some of the grievous injuries. And Samuels plays on the more important left side.

Maybe I should switch my vote to Samuels.

I *heart* flip-flopping.

-Nate in the PDX

35332 -- Mike Sellers

Jason Campbell is neither stupid nor a mouth breather. Eli Manning is both stupid (though admittedly he IS able to prepare soup from a can ... maybe even using the microwave) and a clear mouth breather.

Jason Campbell is country.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L82dkFeVHs

I *heart* country.

Karen and sicwidit, OTAs don't start till June. Anything until that point is voluntary ... meaning non-mandatory ... meaning no adverse consequences without a change to the CBA ... which I hear is opening up soon anyway. Also, Springs has been away too ... and does so this time every year.

Everybody deals with grief differently. It is not outside the realm of possibility that Landry has a lot on his mind after what can safely be labeled a "brilliant" rookie season ... that happened to include the loss of the player with whom he worked most closely. Remember that Sean Taylor was not well-served by the departure of Ryan Clark.

Fun fact, all votes till now are on offense.

Alex, I was thinking about Cornelius, but I'm worried that putting him up there might be a jinx that results in him getting cut for salary reasons. Also, Fletcher would be a good choice, but he's only been here one year.

Oh, maybe a signature moment or period is important, some image the player's name instantly evokes... for me, Jansen will always be the guy who went to war for us with two broken thumbs, with those big clubs on both hands. Love that.

Defense... when we lost our best defensive player last season, and LaRon is only in his second year, and the other top dudes on that side of the ball seem like relatively new-to-the-team guys (Fletcher, Springs), and Darrell is so fresh in our memory, it's hard to hold any of them up as Mr. Redskin. Yet.

-Nate in the PDX

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I will go with Cooley. He will be a Redskin his whole career, plays the game like an old school FB player and is just plain real. Just barely beats out Samuels.

I'm trying to keep in mind the difference between "Mr. Redskin" and our f