This day just keeps getting worse.

Seriously, WTF.

I think that anon was Alex.

Smoot's always hurt. We need to encase him in glass until the season starts.

Relax, it's only the first day.

I put this up in the last one before the beep (someone has to be corkczar). With Smoot getting a "Eubanks' Condition", the scenario changes to the player swap including the Phins nickel, not dime.
________

I'm torn btwn "not a problem" and "it sure would improve the D-line to get Jason Taylor." First round definitely seems too high, and if Tuna is holding out for a second rounder, then I say add another player swap into the deal too ... maybe send Ladell and take the Phins dime corner. t_e_ has it right though, the only position where the roster is a treasure chest is WR. Taylor is up there in years ... and we don't have a valuable enough WR who is that old ... but we do have one who has missed many many games due to hammy issues ... Jason Taylor for Santana, straight up. [Begin throwing eggs now. I'm only saying this to be evokative ... this is not time to panic. There are going to be some DE battles around the league where highly paid guys lose out to new guys ... we can afford to wait. I still think KGB would provide high value ... enough for to replace Daniels ... and he is now #3 in the Pack's rotation.]

Posted by: dcsween | July 20, 2008 4:35 PM

they need to put these guys in bubble wrap or somthin

The injury appeared to be to his left ankle or foot and his left shoe was off.

By Cindy Boren | July 20, 2008; 4:24 PM ET

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Shouldn't he take both shoes off?

In my experience, walking around gingerly works better that way.

moss for taylor? WTF ARE YOU THINKING sure lets trade our best WR for a DE who will probably play only 1 more year. seriously, wtf.

Had my money on Springs going down with a hammy before Smooty turning an ankle.

Who's next?

*** dodging eggs ***

Yes, historically, no doubt Moss has been (** dodging a hardboiled one**) the best via Brunell, Ramsey, chopped liver, but its a new offense (** just yolk on that one ***), we have another short speedy guy with great hands and burst out of the catch, and he's been breaking alot lately.

That said, agreed Moss is the most dependable when he's healthy (but for several balls that hit both hands last season ... maybe his wrist injury is better now).

Also, blog welcome to IntenseJ! Already a big fan.

*** fusillade omelet ***

Zorn needs to stop practice immediately and give them the day off tomorrow also. Seriously, two starters on a shaky D lost already. Can't imagine a much worse start to the season.

and adding J.Taylor immediately improves linebacker play, as well as DT play ...

it was not I

I hope you have the "Janssen Hurt" and "Thomas Hurt" posts ready as that seems to be the way this season is heading.

Don't trade away the 1st rounder as it looks like it is going to be a top 5 selection.

Well, well. Here's what you get from a first time anything-er who's doing it "my way."

Seriously, two starters on a shaky D lost already. Can't imagine a much worse start to the season.

Posted by: STOP | July 20, 2008 4:47 PM

Can't imagine? Think back to this time last year ... Samuels' knee early in camp, then Jansen v. Miami ... don't recall when Randy Thomas had to go ... the only difference is that this time its on the D side.

this is the FIRST DAY though! THE FIRST DAY!!!!

Don't trade away the 1st rounder as it looks like it is going to be a top 5 selection.

Posted by: Future | July 20, 2008 4:49 PM

I dunno about top 5, but I definitely agree that the first three rounds should be off limits. We need a Kendall-type miracle deal (5th/4th condition?) ... disgruntled vet with talent itching to leave ... sounds like Jason Taylor ... now it needs to be a miracle.

it could be worse

it could be worse

Hit refresh...Buzbee details.

Paging Bill Cowher....paging Bill Cowher.

Do you think Snyder will fire Zorn during the preseason?

BTW, not sure which anonymouse post was being attributed to Alex, but I accidently posted the last one about Miami's leverage, if that's what the issue was.

I am over complaining about the draft and the Redskins failure to address their needs for O-line and D-line players.

However, I will start complaining if they give up anything more than a 4th rounder for Taylor.

Posted by: CBT | July 20, 2008 4:23 PM

You, my friend, obviously do not understand the principles of "supply and demand." Washington has a need and Miami has the supply. THEY have the leverage and will demand at least a 2nd rounder.

Posted by: | July 20, 2008 4:33 PM

Miami can demand all they want, it does not mean the Redskins have to pay the steep price.

These injury reports are absurd - three guys in one day????? How about a little good news, Cindy?

Thx for those pix, swb. They were awesome and are really getting me excited for the season.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHHAHAH

I TOLD YOU SO!!!

I TOLD YOU SO!!!

HATERS REJOICE!!!!!

"anonymouse"

I obviously cannot type fast.

Also, blog welcome to IntenseJ! Already a big fan.

*** fusillade omelet ***

Posted by: dcsween | July 20, 2008 4:47 PM

Thanks dcsween...probably won't be posting a lot in here though, I've got so much going my regular forum is probably the only one I'll keep up with on a regular basis.

BTW...if Mix is making a strong showing, then that's 3 young pups, ARE (Randel El), and Thrash (an experienced west coast WR) to run with. I'm NOT saying Moss is expendable by any means, and I wouldn't give him up for Taylor unless something more came this way with him, just wanted to add that I don't believe Moss is absolutely crucial for this offense. At least not as much as he used to be. (Man he had some horrendous drops last season)

I'd like to see Moss get some work in the slot with ARE this year. Those two would be an almost impossible cover on crossing slants with Thomas drawing the safety downfield.

why would we fire zorn? u people are retarded

Not a huge shock. DE was the one position the team refused to address in the offseason via free agency and the draft. Seems things work out like this a lot, not just for the Skins but for other teams, as well. At the very least, the team could've spent a second rounder on a DE. Did the Skins really need Fred Davis?

What Clayton says:

"The Redskins have not been in aggressive in free agency this season, so they would have no trouble handling Taylor's $8.1 million contract, but they also have the ability rework the deal. After signing all 10 draft choices before the start of camp, the Redskins have more than $9 million of cap room."

Why Clayton is wrong:

The remaining $900K is not going to leave enough cap space to replace the other six guys lost to injury.

Beep beep. Injury details.

At least we don't have to wait for the regular season to start to be disappointed. It's already over by the end of the 1st day!

P.S.

WaPo Paid bloggers: "THANK YOU" so very much for your timely posts AND is there anyway you can distinguish the "updated" portions (e.g, using an "UPDATE" header or bold text or something)?

Gratefully yours

who cares about buzbee whoever the F that is.

beep beep - men are talking, shhhhh

What's the big deal? The reality is the Skins aren't going to the playoffs this year. And who wants Prima Ballerina Jason Taylor anyway?

The guy doesn't want to play football anymore but to collect a check and mug for the camera. He'd be a locker room killer.

The Skins need to save all their draft picks and replenish the roster with youth over the next couple of years. Just look at the Giants and their 2007 draft.

who is cindy? shouldn't women be making lemonade, not reporting on football?

The Skins drafted the best player available, regardless of need. We really won't know for a few years if this strategy was wise.

Maybe one of the 20 wide receivers/H-backs that we have on the roster can convert to DE.

why would we fire zorn? u people are retarded

Posted by: wtf | July 20, 2008 4:57 PM

Lighten up. It's just a joke regarding Little Danny's impatience about things not going well and pulling an early trigger.

u people are idiots

I see Smoot being ready to hit the ski slopes in no time! (Read his arrest report, 2 girls, 2 toys, just skiing baby!)

CBT,
Miami is not going to accept less now than they were willing to accept during the draft, when no one "needed" a DE. We clearly do now, so the price may have to get steep, because they hold the cards. And if we want to have any chance this year, we're gonna have to dance their dance. (enough with the dumb analogy's)

Seriously, do you want to go into the season with Wilson or Evans starting? And with the way we've angered the DL Gods, when one of them inevitably goes down, who do we play then?

A 2nd rounder, while not ideal, would be acceptable. Definitely nothing more (And definitely not Moss...seriously, what the heck???)

Lo, the football gods
Laugh, dance and play while they smite
The Fool, Dan Snyder

F word.

We need to get Jimmy Williams and Jason Taylor.

Nice Jim, real classy. Cindy is an editor at WaPo, a great spiorts journalist and does her best to get us news, go buy a tix back to 1952 ya jerky!

P.S.

WaPo Paid bloggers: "THANK YOU" so very much for your timely posts AND is there anyway you can distinguish the "updated" portions (e.g, using an "UPDATE" header or bold text or something)?

Gratefully yours

Posted by: Not Anonymous | July 20, 2008 5:00 PM

Cindy, can you update the RI posts like Tarik does on Capitals Insider? I have always found that simple to follow.

miami doesnt hold all the cards.. taylow wants out, and is not going to training camp. they want to trade him just as badly as we want him.

Daniels' loss ain't no big deal. Buzbee wasn't gonna make the team..he was a Gibbs pet. In fact he's lucky he got hurt so can collect his check for the year unless the Skins do the smart thing and give him an injury settlement and send him on his way.

Smoot? Oh well, what new about him being hurt? JT Tryon step right up my man!

Dan ignores wisdom:
When in hole, first stop digging.
Still signs Chad Johnson

Re: Cindy

Wow, seriously guys? A woman who wants to (and more importantly, can) talk football, who's more in the know about whats going on at RP than any of us are, and you wanna give her a hard time?

Classy...

Hit refresh. Cerrato comment, injury update at the top.

DE was the one position the team refused to address in the offseason via free agency and the draft. Seems things work out like this a lot, not just for the Skins but for other teams, as well. At the very least, the team could've spent a second rounder on a DE. Did the Skins really need Fred Davis?

Posted by: Colin | July 20, 2008 4:58 PM

Colin,

We will see whether they needed Fred Davis. Obviously, the coach thought they needed him. Let's see how they use him and what difference he makes. Early reports have been good.

They actually did address DE in free agency and in the draft. They traded for Erasmus James and they drafted Rob Jackson.

And I agree with you that things like this work out for all teams. Every team has a weak position or two. The Skins may have more than their share because of the trades Gibbs engineered and all the picks he gave up for vets, many of whom didn't work out. We can't fix them all in one year.

Everybody relax! We drafted two WRs, a TE and a PUNTER.

thank you lance for not being retarded like the others

The 'Phins ae going anywhere this year and they know it. And Parcells & co. have just as much stubborn pride as the Packers do, so they don't HAVE to get rid of Taylor. He can not report, they can fine him, and they can win the 5 games they were going to win anyway, with or without him.

Cindy,

You're doing a great job of putting the new information in while allowing the threads to develop. Any chance that you'll go into the bathroom stall with a banner and your cell phone video for the next installment of Redskins Invalidated?

We clearly do now, so the price may have to get steep, because they hold the cards. And if we want to have any chance this year, we're gonna have to dance their dance. (enough with the dumb analogy's)

Seriously, do you want to go into the season with Wilson or Evans starting? And with the way we've angered the DL Gods, when one of them inevitably goes down, who do we play then?

A 2nd rounder, while not ideal, would be acceptable. Definitely nothing more (And definitely not Moss...seriously, what the heck???)

Posted by: CB Skins | July 20, 2008 5:05 PM

Miami doesn't hold squat. Taylor Ballerina is worth maybe a sixth rounder but I wouldn't even take him for free. Why would you want a guy that doesn't want to play anymore in the locker room?

And by the way, let's see if Evans or Wilson steps up. Daniels' loss ain't no biggie.

CB Skins -

While it is not ideal, I am fine with Evans and Wilson starting.

You have to remember that Taylor is not going to play for Miami this season, so the Dolphins are going to want to trade him for something. The longer the Dolphins go without getting a taker, the more their asking price will drop.

CBT, good idea. Today has been a wild one!

And I agree with you that things like this work out for all teams. Every team has a weak position or two. The Skins may have more than their share because of the trades Gibbs engineered and all the picks he gave up for vets, many of whom didn't work out. We can't fix them all in one year.

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 20, 2008 5:09 PM

Exactly. Great Post.

SHOULD HAVE DRAFTED ME!!!!!!!!!!

VC: We have not talked to anyone.
ESPN: They are trading a 2nd round pick!!
Who is lying?

Daniels was a good player, a warrior and he ate up bodies up front...to say its no big deal is beyond stupid. Almost as dumb as thinking E. James and R. Jackson were being proactive at that position...

This is like last year when Jansen went down and everybody was like, oh he sucked anyway, just plug in player x, it will be fine.....

Look they gambled at D-line, planned on leaning on Daniles one more year....and it backfired quickly. The good news is its early and 1. The back ups get more reps, and 2. They have time to try to make a move...

From the redskins blog:

Vinny Cerrato says that the team is bringing back Jonathan "J.T." Mapu, who they released a few days ago, as well as bringing in an unnamed veteran. He obviously couldn't address the Jason Taylor rumors, so that's what they remain for now.

Everybody relax! We drafted two WRs, a TE and a PUNTER.

Posted by: BigJ | July 20, 2008 5:11 PM

BigJ,

Didn't they also draft a DE, an O lineman, a CB, a DB, a third string QB, and a FS?

No way, TE. You guys just want to see what a women's restroom looks like. Once you find out we have comfy couches, original artwork, chilled lemonade and delicious canapes, anarchy would ensue.

Doesn't Taylor play LE, same as Carter, and isn't that kind of a big deal? Daniels was best on the right because he stuffs runs, and then on third down could slide to DT and still generate a rush. Taylor is not a run stuffer, doesn't play RE, and is too skinny to move inside.

If Carter had gone down then I could get behind trading for Taylor. But then again, day ain't over yet and Carter still has time to get hurt.

For the record, I would take Jason Taylor for free.....

Anyone else glad Lance isn't the GM???

Daniels was a good player, a warrior and he ate up bodies up front...to say its no big deal is beyond stupid. Almost as dumb as thinking E. James and R. Jackson were being proactive at that position...
Posted by: chris larry | July 20, 2008 5:16 PM

Daniels was injury prone and is 35 YEARS OLD!
And by the way, mentioning his name in the same breath as Jansen is "BEYOND STUPID."

I don't remember Jansen when healthy coming out on third downs.

no key lime in that bathroom?

Looks like we're bringing back Mapu and already talking to a vet FA, here's hoping it's Rucker. All denials at this point to the Jason Taylor rumors.

Let me clarify. These used their top three picks on 2 WRs and a TE. The punter was a 6th rounder. They knew they needed help at DE, but went overkill on receivers with the top 3 picks.

No way, TE. You guys just want to see what a women's restroom looks like. Once you find out we have comfy couches, original artwork, chilled lemonade and delicious canapes, anarchy would ensue.

Posted by: Cindy | July 20, 2008 5:18 PM

Is this why women always go in pairs? And what we really wanted to see was you in front of that banner.

Ray,

Daniels slid to tackle often on third down....

My point was when jansen got hurt we heard the same stuff....he was, old, injured and player x could fill in fine...how did that work out.

Daniels was a pros pro...if yu don't see how he was a positive on defense, even at 35...

And if your point is valid it only amplifies that the team should have addressed the position sooner during the offseason...

CBT,
You're really ok with Wilson or Evans starting? Evans works hard, but isn't going to make a difference on the line, and WIlson, while he has tons of potential, is a situational pass rusher right now..he's too light to be an everydown DE. Geez, hes 22lbs heavier than Malcolm Kelly!

We can keep hoping that one of those 2 step up, but every year we "hope" someone stays up on the line, and every year, we're no better than 10 wins. While that blame is spread throughout the team, Im ready for the DL to make more of an impact...to be "overachievers" and actually have it pay dividends. Yes, having a top 5 run defense was great, but does anyone expect that to happen again, especially after losing Daniels?

I hope the Skins are smart with their reaction.

Remember, Renaldo Wynn is available now. We was as much a leader as Daniels..and focused on stopping the run.

Greg Spires (Tampa) is available too. He is very similar to Phillip Daniels.

Get well Daniels.

For the record, I would take Jason Taylor for free.....

Anyone else glad Lance isn't the GM???

Posted by: chris larry | July 20, 2008 5:20 PM

Yeah, you were probably really happy back in 2000 when the skins signed all those over the hill free agents like Bruce Smith in his 18th year.

That really worked out. I guess you have a "thing" for the Prima Donna athlete. Whatever, I don't have to wonder what you'd be like as GM because we already know.

The team would resemble Redskins 2000...

Let's give 20 mil
Swoon more o'er Archuleta
Convert him to end!

With injury prone Springs and Smoot, younger guys will get plenty of playing time. Thus, you need to pressure the QB, which is why they should have gone DE with one of the first three picks or via free agency.

Mapu to the rescu!

Relax. It is just the first day of camp. Daniels is a loss, no doubt, but Taylor is not the answer unless we can get him for a 5th rd. pick or below. He is only going to play one more year and the Dolphins don't want him. There is no way the Skins trade a 1st or 2nd round pick. Even they are not that stupid. They know this year is going to be tough, so why do it?

Note to Vinny - You are a freaking idiot!!!

THIS is why everyone from draft experts to the local fan base all thought they would draft a DE, especially with one of those 3 2nd round draft picks we had. Now we are stuck. The loss of Daniels would have been a god send if we had a remotely competent front office that addressed this issue earlier.

This is why I can't predict this team to do any better than 6-10 no matter how much of Danny's Kool Aid I drink.

No Lance, I was against the vets in 2000....

Its not an either/or...its how you do it. Seems to me the skins have planned smartly, where one well timed vet at a need position would not break the new philosophy....

Kendell last year was a good example. The pick we gave is a good pick, but he proved extremely valuable, and barring injury should be an above everage linemen this year as well....

But not taking someone for free??? You wouldnt take Jason Taylor for free????

Well, let's see - if they HAD used a second round pick on a DE, let's say, what you all that are complainig about the draft are implying is that that draft pick would just be ready to step up and start for us in this situation...please! Maybe that's just WHY they didn't draft a lineman at that position - there were no "monster" guys left that could make an immediate impact, so why waste a round 2 pick?

Of course, if you'd prefer to tell all how the sky is falling, please go ahead

Almost as dumb as thinking E. James and R. Jackson were being proactive at that position...

Posted by: chris larry | July 20, 2008 5:16 PM

CL, I liked this post. I think the way to describe E. James was "opportunistic" and R. Jackson as "crap shoot-tastic."

But proactive is a pretty high hurdle and they were only proactive at two positions, WR and TE. I still want to see how the guys play (as well as the ones they didn't take) before labelling this mistake.

With three second rounders, you can't be proactive at many positions, certainly not as many as the Redskins were vulnerable at.

CB Skins -

Let me try this another way. Would you rather have Jason Taylor for a year or use next year's 2nd round pick on a D lineman?

I think Wynn is with the G-men

forget jason Taylor.

Give me a trade for Mark Anderson of the Bears. that will solve our dline issue for longer then a year or 2.

Get

RENALDO WYNN

and

GREG SPIRES

on the phone now.

At least bring them in for camp!

My stance is they have to make some move for a legit starting DE. Doesn't have to be Taylor. I like some other suggestions peeps are throwing out.

But we can't think a "just a guy" or one of our role players can just step up his game. It all works from the D-Line. Also anyone worried about LBs...not like were that deep there either and LBF needs big boys n front to be at his best.

nobody knows when an injury will strike, so to blame vinny is retarded. pre-training camp, our d line looked good. old, but good. after today we have a few holes, but we're not going to have a losing season beacuse of this. we still have talent on the D line. so all the people saying we're goin to have a losing season, ect. really need to shut the hell up.

wynn is a giant.....

I like the Spiers idea though...

But not taking someone for free??? You wouldnt take Jason Taylor for free????

Posted by: chris larry | July 20, 2008 5:28 PM

I just think he would be a bad influence on the other players. He is all about Hollywood now and he thinks he's better than everybody else.

His attitude would be like, "man, I'm just making a pit stop in DC to collect some more paychecks to finance my acting ambitions." Would you really want the younger to be around such a selfish indivdual? I wouldn't...

I see a 6-10 record in your near future. The cards don't lie!

John D in Houston,
They had a first rounder (21st), but traded down, eventually taking Devin Thomas. We'll see how he produces this year, before deciding if a DE would have been better.

Ah, CBT, I think that's where we disagree...

Come on, you and I both know next years pick is going on a TE we desperately need, you know for all those goalline Heavy Jumbo packages...you can't expect us to just sit pat with Cooley and Davis can you? Or maybe that long snapper everyone's been raving about?

I guess for me, the draft is so much of a crap shoot (Andre Johnson, Westrook, Rod Gardner, Tom Carter, Taylor Jacobs, Shuler,...and that's just off the top of my head), so that half the time, those picks are thrown away anyway. Why not throw a 2nd or 3rd one away on a 11 sack, 2-years-removed-from-def.-MVP, DE, who could make a substantial impact, if even for one year.

Im not usually a mortgae the future for today kind of guy (I really think the Pack should let Rogers start...he needs to develop, and the longer you wait, the longer the rebuilding will be), but I guess Im getting caught up in the "drastically improve the defense in one fell swoop" feeling...

Calm down everyone!! The season is still over a month away. Someone goes down, someone else steps up. The fate of the season doesn't rest on a 30 something DE.

Give me a trade for Mark Anderson of the Bears. that will solve our dline issue for longer then a year or 2.

Umm, da-Bears are da-tards.

Lance, I just don't accept your character sketch about Jason Taylor. Thats the difference. So he was on dancing with the stars, so he is thinking about a life after football? No one ever once said a word bad about him as a teammate with Dolphins.

We get so quick to jump on guys. Taylor handled himself with class last season on a horrible team, and by all accounts help keep that locker room together in what must have been a brutal time. Parcells set up this situation.

Now from a football perspective, I understand not overpaying if he is going to retire (and I believe he gets off the dolphins he plays at min 2 more years) but this"bad apple" arguement just isn't supported to me.

Only I can tell you how the 2008 Draft will work out! The rest of you are know nothing phonies who cannot even see into August. The cards don't lie!

I absolutely LOVE how in the report on Daniels injury 4'11" uses the same, old, tired, worn out line, "and did not address the area until the final round of the draft." D@mn come up with something different! EVERYBODY f'n knows they didn't draft a DE. How bout find out how the guy they did draft is progressing, or how James is coming along? How soon until he can play? In other words do your job instead of trying to bash the front office.

Last year Strahan hemmed and hawed about retirement, sat out camp Dave Butz style, was always whining in the press, had quality guys behind him but still walked right back into starting.......

How'd that work out?

Now from a football perspective, I understand not overpaying if he is going to retire (and I believe he gets off the dolphins he plays at min 2 more years) but this"bad apple" arguement just isn't supported to me.

Posted by: chris LArry | July 20, 2008 5:40 PM

We can agree to disagree. Final stance on JT from here: Prima Ballerina...

Give me a trade for Mark Anderson of the Bears. that will solve our dline issue for longer then a year or 2.

Posted by: trade | July 20, 2008 5:30 PM

Don't the Bears still owe us compensation for sending them Brandon Lloyd and Adam Archuleta?

Actually, all things considered, I think the Redskins still owe the BEARS something for foisting those two off on them...

Don't the Bears still owe us compensation for sending them Brandon Lloyd and Adam Archuleta?

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 20, 2008 5:47 PM

Don't the Bears still owe us compensation for sending them Brandon Lloyd and Adam Archuleta?

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 20, 2008 5:47 PM

Didn't we pay them to take these two off our hands?

Renaldo Wynn was signed by the Giants, he probably could start in place of the retired Strahan. So whoever wanted to call him forget it.

Decent rush ends that can help out on the run don't grow on trees. This dude Mapu is a joke. The Redskins need a starter at DE to replace a starter lost for the year. They need to make a move, otherwise they are admitting to flushing the whole season. If you are going to do that, may as well start all the rookies.

DTC,

I agree with you, although pretty sure Wynn will back up Jason Tuck with G-Men......talk about a team loaded with Dline....

Wasn't Julius Peppers potential trade bait at some point during the offseason? If we're intent at finding a quick fix, might as well go all out and look for a quick fix that could also be a long-term solution.

Lets give Mapu a chance to see what he can do!

Don't the Bears still owe us compensation for sending them Brandon Lloyd and Adam Archuleta?

Posted by: talent evaluator | July 20, 2008 5:47 PM

I read Lloyd is their NUMBER 1 receiver!!!

He was awesome in OTAs. Wouldn't it be something if he actually put up numbers?

mark anderson.

25 years old.
2 years left on rookie contract.
12 sacks as a situational pass rusher during bears superbowl run
only 4.5 as a full time starter for parts of the season and with Harris our with injury
will be backing up alex brown this year (who is a man child actually)
benefit from playing with a good dline in chicago, didn't have double teams.

I still think we should make a move on him. Will cost less then taylor or others. contract and age put us at advantage to see how he does before resign him to long term cheap contract for a de.
proven pass rush, with size to play the run as well

For those who want to trade (including high draft picks) for Jason Taylor I have four words that ought to give you pause:

TJ Duckett (yes TJ is a word)

Bruce Smith

I PRAY the Skin's don't panic and give away the farm like they did for Duckett (a 3rd and a 4th and he never played -- and it could have been a 1st rounder)

And I hope that we get away from going after the past their prime stars. Yes JT was a great player and is good now. But would it be worth it to trade so much for 1 or 2 seasons?

Vinny took over the defense. Lets see what you do now. Should be ready for a 34 year old dlineman to get hurt. We should tell Vinny and Danny that this is not touch football. You need line men offensive and defensive.

I live In Florida...Local news reports down here are saying that Taylor appears to be indeed headed for DC...They are hammering out details.....Report out of Miami

For those who want to trade (including high draft picks) for Jason Taylor I have four words that ought to give you pause:

TJ Duckett (yes TJ is a word)

Bruce Smith

I PRAY the Skin's don't panic and give away the farm like they did for Duckett (a 3rd and a 4th and he never played -- and it could have been a 1st rounder)

And I hope that we get away from going after the past their prime stars. Yes JT was a great player and is good now. But would it be worth it to trade so much for 1 or 2 seasons?

Posted by: CaroCanesFan | July 20, 2008 6:04 PM

For you to even compare those situations to this is just flat out dumb...First off we do indeed need Taylor.....you would be a fool to suffer two injuries at DE and then not bring Taylor in.....Taylor is not a TJ Duckett ...he is a dominating DE

I live In Florida...Local news reports down here are saying that Taylor appears to be indeed headed for DC...They are hammering out details.....Report out of Miami

Posted by: Leevi | July 20, 2008 6:10 PM

Hopefully for nothing more then a second round pick

Taylor/TJ Duckett is not analogous.

Duckett was indeed an over reaction b/c we were deep at RB, as evidenced by Betts season that year (1000+ yards)

However DLine is seriously an issue

Two DE's out, glad we drafted 15 receivers to fill that gap.

Taylor WAS a dominating DE. He is 35 and has said he wants to play one more year...At least Duckett wasn't old (26 or 27)!

I am arguing against trading for a player well past his prime for a short term fix. If you think that trading a 1st or 2nd round draft pick for a 35 year old player you're a fool.

I have nothing against going after JT, I just CRINGE when I hear 1st/2nd rounders thrown around. THAT'S IS ABSOLUTELY INSANE!!!

W gambled on d-line, and lost. That happens when you gambled. If it had worked, they would have looked smart...

Bottom line, time to solve the problem. C'mon vinny!

The TJ Duckett trade would be exactly analagous.

1) It was a PANIC move. We gave WAY too much in response to an injury.

2) TJ Duckett was supposed to be all that. Bruising running back with a recent history of a great year.

3) Gave away what ended up being a 3rd AND a 4th rounder. COULD have been a 1st rounder!

4) How long did he stay with us????

STOP THE MADNESS!

first, taylor is 33

second, he says he only wants to play one more year WITH THE DOLPHINS

if he went to a contender team like the skins he might stick around for several years

he is sick of losing.. wouldnt you be too if u played for the 1-15 dolphins

For you to even compare those situations to this is just flat out dumb...First off we do indeed need Taylor.....you would be a fool to suffer two injuries at DE and then not bring Taylor in.....Taylor is not a TJ Duckett ...he is a dominating DE

Posted by: | July 20, 2008 6:12 PM

You are flat out dumb...or completely retarded. We don't NEED Ballerina Prima Donna limp wristed Jason Taylor.

He's hollywood now and will play not to get hurt like the wimp he is.

I am arguing against trading for a player well past his prime for a short term fix. If you think that trading a 1st or 2nd round draft pick for a 35 year old player you're a fool.

Posted by: CaroCanesFan | July 20, 2008 6:17 PM

Agreed here. Even a 3rd rounder would be reaching in my opinion (although I wouldn't "kill" the FO for doing it). If it comes down to a choice between a 1st/2nd rounder or JT, I'd say keep the pick, gut it out this year with less qualified guys, and address the issue next season (through draft or FA).

Additionally, it's easy to say AFTER the fact that is was an overreaction (as you mention, Betts filled in quite nicely).

Why are you so sure that someone in the wings won't step up like Betts did?

I agree with you that DLine needs help. I thought that they should have gone Dline with their second pick. I just see "giving away the farm" for a rental player. Would Favre even command a 1st or 2nd rounder???? What I remember them talking about was a 4th or something like that earlier this week.

I say, "Skins, don't worry, bcuz there will be bodies that pop up in the next two weeks that have just as much talent as we lost." Besides JT in my opinion is good rusher, but he is not a eye-opener when it comes to the run! Maybe we should take a page from Patriots talent evaluation process before we leap for a short term high cost player. The Skins should not go into panic mode now, instead just search for better young and /or equal talent. Who knows what player may become available real soon. Last, regarding Cindy, "THANK YOU for your hard work and I appreciate your passion as sports fan especially a Redskin fan!"

if he went to a contender team like the skins he might stick around for several years

he is sick of losing.. wouldnt you be too if u played for the 1-15 dolphins

Posted by: the dude | July 20, 2008 6:21 PM

The Skins aren't competing for anything this year but a top ten pick in the first round of the 2009 draft.

My mistake. JT is 33, will turn 34 Sept 1st.

My point still stands. IF we are going to trade a 1st round or 2nd round pick, go after a YOUNG stud, not an aging one.

Well Caro, you could argue that both Betts and Rock had an on the field track record, years with the team, and coaches who liked their talents when we panicked with Duckett. Same can't be said about the DE depth. It just can't.

Evan is a back up, a rotation guy. Wilson is a specialist. He is better NOT starting so he can be used as a roving weapon. He cant take the pounding.

(on a side note, its at least fun to be arguing about skins/FB again after all the dumb off season topics! Thanks gang!)

Lets wait and see what happens in the next 24 hours, hope the skins make the right decision. Are there any other quality players that were released by other teams that can we can plug in that gap? Get well Daniels...God bless you.

Prediction: skins 1-15 this year. Zorn keeps his job, because the one win is against Dallas taking away their homefield advantage in the playoffs.
Which means, Vinnie, do not trade a 1,2 or 3rd round draft choice for any other players. They will be very high draft picks next year!

Jay Glazer reporting Taylor for 2nd rounder

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/07/20/taylor-to-redskins-for-second-round-pick/

Not to cry over spilled milk because I can't change it, but....This injury does highlight the "gamble" (mentioned above) that the FO took when it went receiver with the 1st three picks. We rolled the dice and are paying for it now, it looks like.

Daniels is a great Redskin. A real loss by all accounts. But he was oft injured and we held our own most of the time. He was likely to injured this season too, as an aging vet. It is a bad injury but not a season killer for us. We can survive this.

So we do find ourselves in this predicament now. What to do? Wait a couple of days. The rest of teams haven't even started training camp. Acts of desperation the day he is hurt will cost more than it's worth. I haven't heard of any imminent deals with other teams. They just weren't / haven't been coming over the past several months despite the Dolphins shopping him. Act like we don't really need him. Let the Fins sweat it a bit. Do they really want him? Be ready to walk away from a deal that costs too much. Be on the lookout for other talent. We don't necessarily need Taylor in his prime talent to be ok.

Let's take a deep breath and think about it for a couple of days.

Updated: July 20, 2008, 5:28 PM EST Comment
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Jason Taylor is on the verge of dancing on over to the Washington Redskins.

FOXSports.com has learned that the Miami Dolphins have agreed to terms on a trade that would send the All-Pro defensive end and reality show star to the 'Skins in exchange for a second-round pick.

The teams were hopeful to have the deal finalized later Sunday night.
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Well here comes Prima Ballerina Wimp Boy....I'm gonna puke.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8362550/Redskins-agree-to-terms-on-deal-for-Taylor

the curse of Le Boulez...extended.

Comcastsportsnet also just reported that Jason Taylor is coming here for a 2nd round pick.

Vinny is best friends with Jason's agent.

The loss of Daniels sucks, but let's not overreact. But he was not Strahan or Umenora. Other than passes batted down, the drop off from Daniels to Evans is not huge. Last year, as a starter, Daniels had 24 solo tackles and 2.5 sack, while Evans, who played behind Daniels and probably played less minutes, had 19 solo tackles and 1 sack. In other words, the drop off in production amounts to 5 solo tackles and 1.5 sack per season. So, giving up anything higher than a 4th rounder for a one year fix in a 35 year old Taylor is just dumb. There will be solid second-tier veteran DEs cut due to salary cap considerations that can fill in Daniels' shoes. They can be signed for a reasonable amount and won't cost any draft picks.

Let's bring back Joe Salave'a for d-line help, seeing how our defenders are dropping like flies.

But I'm all for bringing in JT if it's nothing more than a third rounder. I mean after all, look @ what Randy Moss cost (a fourth rounder).

Lance Can you check back i with us about Taylor's wimpyness when him Carter have 25 sacks combined?

In the last 3 seasons:
No games missed, 36.5 sacks, 18 forced fumbles, 3 picks..all returned for TD's. While we shouldnt act like it's the end of the world that Daniel's is gone (he will be missed though), let's not act like acquiring Taylor is the end of the world either...

I will not believe that this is true until it is reported here. Jason always has the latest updates. If it has not been reported here it means nothing. No one is faster at these reports or has better sources than our own Jason LaCanfora!

Jason Taylor is a Redskin for a second round pick, look at Fox sports

Anon, Joe Salavea is now an Asst. Coach/Defense for San Jose State.

Lance Can you check back i with us about Taylor's wimpyness when him Carter have 25 sacks combined?

Posted by: chris larry | July 20, 2008 6:39 PM

I'll be glad if I am proven wrong because I want the skins to win.

Does anyone else get, ahum.... excited... ahum ...when they read that the 'Skins have $9 million in cap room? When / how did that happen? Stick to the plan from this offseason -- don't overpay and hang on to your draft picks. It will work out!

I just realized that Taylor will be 34 and not 35 at the start of the season. If they gave up a second rounder for a 34-year old Taylor, they got fleeced by Parcells. Dolphins' relationship with Taylor was at all time worst and he was on the way out anyway.

Lance, if he is Bruce Smith in a tutu, I will take my lumps as well...deal????

Hail!

beep beep. skins trade for taylor. no kidding.

In the last 3 seasons:
No games missed, 36.5 sacks, 18 forced fumbles, 3 picks..all returned for TD's. While we shouldnt act like it's the end of the world that Daniel's is gone (he will be missed though), let's not act like acquiring Taylor is the end of the world either...

Follow up:
Carter/Daniels combines, last 3 seasons:
34.5 sacks, 10 FF, 1 pick, 0 TDs

Taylor is still a good player, and can make us a lot more legit

This blog is the very reason why you sleep on decisions before you make them. Daniels is a blow but not the end of the season. It's still early enough to make a move for a DE.

Some of you fake, overreacting GM's are whining about not drafting a DE. Chris Wilson and DeMetric Evans are ready to contribute quicker than a rookie DE.

Patience Vinny and Danny...no need to panic yet.

We don't need D-line. Vinny is planning on outscoring everyone.

I have no problems bringing him here but a second round pick is on par with giving up a third for Brunell (right before he was going to have to be cut) and as bad as the Duckett trade. Ok, that one would be hard to be worse than given his playing time. But still....

We'll take Santana! Jason can take you guys to the post season and realistically I don't think he's only going to play one more year especially on a team that can make the playoffs and beyond like the 'Skins.

Taylor for a 2nd rounder is a good thing people. We now have some pash rush. If you don't think he is a huge upgrade over Daniels you don't know sh*t about football.

The Channel 9 sportscaster (Sara Somebody) just said

"Cornerback Sean Taylor is back and feeling better than ever after mysteriously missing those OTA sessions earlier this year."

She corrected herself in the next sentence.

You're lucky I'm not still there, because I would have already given Miami two first round picks for Jason Taylor. Remember how I panicked the preseason Portis got hurt even though I had Bettis? I gave up two draft choices for TJ Duckett, then never played him while Bettis ran for 1,000+ yards. Oh wait, maybe I wouldn't have done it today because it would have taken some time to get Denver involved in a 3-way trade.

Lance, if he is Bruce Smith in a tutu, I will take my lumps as well...deal????

Hail!

Posted by: chris larry | July 20, 2008 6:45 PM

Deal..

It just gets worse. SI.com says we gave up two picks: 2nd this year and 6th next year.

It's over, we gave a lot for a an aging player. The question still remains to be answered, "Can he be an instant impact player for Washington?" He is really a step above Daniels, yes, but the cost was too high.

I think our real problems lay within the quarterback position...I don't see our talent pool of q-b's being above the average range. Now the cards are on the table with the real issue!