The Sweet 16
The final cut down to eight offensive and eight defensive players was a very difficult one. In the long and distinguished history of the Redskins franchise, many players have stood out. Far more than 16 players have proven themselves as worthy of consideration. Unfortunately, the limit had to come somewhere and we decided to put it at 16. If you feel we made any egregious omissions or agree with all of our choices, please comment and let us know. Enjoy the contest and vote for your favorite players.
By Jason Feller |
August 2, 2006; 6:09 PM ET
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Posted by: Todd | August 2, 2006 05:25 PM
How come Shar Pourdanesh isn't listed??? Honestly....
Posted by: Nacho Libre | August 2, 2006 06:36 PM
LET'S IMPEACH THE PRESIDENT FOR LYING!!!!
Posted by: Neil Y. | August 2, 2006 07:10 PM
Hard to cut it down to 16, however I would have put Charley Taylor in there ahead of Brian Mitchell. As a matter of fact I would have put just all of Todd's selections ahead of Brian Mitchell except for Stephen Davis, he was not around long enough.
Posted by: Dan | August 2, 2006 07:37 PM
Jim Lachay
Posted by: Brad | August 2, 2006 07:45 PM
If you are going to put Sam Huff in here. You need to put Paul Krause. He is one of the greatest secondary players of all time.
Posted by: Andrew | August 2, 2006 07:47 PM
I forgot to metion Monte Coleman and Wilbur Marshall. They were 2 outstanding players for a great defense during the late 80's and early 90's.
Posted by: Todd | August 2, 2006 10:44 PM
I can't believe Mann is beating Dexter Manley in the poll. Manley made Mann. Dexter's double teaming helped Mann. After Manley was gone, Charles became ineffective. I would love to have seen Dave Butz and Jim Lachey on the final cut.
Posted by: Henry71 | August 3, 2006 01:05 AM
where's gary clark, c'mon bustin out the six shooter to the crowd after a td that was classic ... and c'mom you need more "hogs" on the list big joe jacoby, russ grimm, jim lachey. i got to give props to the whole 91-92 superbowl team ... they gave me a season i will never forget
Posted by: glen | August 3, 2006 04:02 AM
to henry71, true manley was a beast on the line, can't help think it wouldn't even be close if he didn't have off the field issues. but then again charectar should count for something, actually it should count for a lot. Art Monk needs to be in the hall of fame.
Posted by: glen | August 3, 2006 04:10 AM
How can you have any sort of Skins' squad and you want to include Brian Mitchell and not Charley Taylor? I know this has to have its limits....however to not include a man (1 of 2) that retired as the leading reciever in the game is a travesty and takes credibility from the entire process. Maybe you are to young to remember Charley truning a 10 yard hitch into a 60-70 yard score (while probably running 120 yards)
Posted by: Kavon | August 3, 2006 08:39 AM
I'd like to add these contributers to washington folk lore...especially those greats who played for not so great teams and coaches in the 90's and 2000 on:
Allen Era:
RT-George Starke, QB-Billy Kilmer
Gibbs Era:
MLB-Neil Olkewics (sp), TE-Don Warren, RB-Earnest Byner (the real owner of the #21), RB-Mike Nelms, RB-Joe Washington,
Post Gibbs:
WR-Henry Ellard, RB-Terry Allen, LB-Ken Harvey, LB-LaVar Arrington, TE-Jaime Asher, TE-Stephen Alexander, RB-Stephen Alexander...
Posted by: victor | August 3, 2006 11:27 AM
How is Brian Mitchell even on this list?
I can't believe he is the second best RB. I think Stephen Davis and Clinton Portis, even though they were not (or have not yet) been on the team very long had more of impact
Posted by: Ted Borris | August 3, 2006 11:57 AM
Dude, leaving Charley Taylor off is a travesty. And I'd cut Theisman before B-Mitch.
Posted by: Mike | August 3, 2006 12:23 PM
Where's Nick Giaquinto on the ballot??? I don't see it.....
Posted by: Skins Fan | August 3, 2006 12:45 PM
Chip Lohmiller. Thats all I have to say.
Posted by: Dan | August 3, 2006 01:07 PM
B.Mitch's contribution to the Skins wasn't at RB. He'll go into the HOF for what he did on special teams. He deserves to be on this list because of what he did on teams and how involved he has been in the community.
As I look at the brackets, it is going to come down to Riggo v. DG in the final.
Posted by: Colin Chapman | August 3, 2006 01:18 PM
Sorry folks, but there is no way Sonny should be ahead of Sammy Baugh. And Gary Clarke should be on the list somewhere as well. I think he might be the most underrated receiver of all time.
Posted by: frank | August 3, 2006 02:04 PM
How many games did Mark Moseley win for the Skins in clutch situations...and he doesn't even make the list. Yikes.
Posted by: EZwryder | August 3, 2006 02:57 PM
Babe Laufenberg. 'nough said.
Posted by: smj | August 3, 2006 03:04 PM
I know I've already posted this in two other categories, but this oversight has bothered me for years, so I'm taking advantage of this opportunity to remind older Redskins fans and make newer Redskins fans aware of this fact: Chris Hanburger is the most overlooked Hall-of-Fame candidate in NFL history! Yes, even more than Art Monk. There is no former player with his resume who is not enshrined in Canton. Feel free to the research. Hanburger was voted to the Pro Bowl nine times, selected as an all-pro five times and was named the NFL defensive player of the year in 1972. He was also entrusted by George Allen to call signals for his defense... one of the best in the NFL during the Allen era in Washington. His resume is better than many of the linebackers already in the Hall-of-Fame. Check it out sometime and you'll be surprised. Anyone who reads this should write to Len Shapiro and other Hall-of-Fame Veterans Committee voters and urge them to put Chris Hanburger in the Hall-of-Fame where he belongs!
Posted by: Tim | August 3, 2006 03:06 PM
True, I second on Monk being in the HALL that is a big travesty. By the way, although character should be considered, there is no denying that on the field Manley was superior, Mann was a product of Dexter QB menacy. By the way my all time fave Skins are two with the greatest character Art Monk and Darell Green.
Posted by: Henry71 | August 3, 2006 03:10 PM
Two words: Gary Clark!!! He's part of the reason Art Monk isn't in the HOF. Why? Because Peter King and Dr. Z think Clark was better and/or more feared by the N.Y. Giants. Here's an idea I think everyone can agree on: They should both be in the Hall!
Also isn't Charley Tayor in the Hall of Fame? Oh, yeah he is and wasn't he Monk's and Clark's receivers coach when they were humiliating DB's and having 1,000 yard seasons? No, wait, yes, as a matter of fact he was. I hope the folks at the Post who put this "legends" list together have lived in the D.C. area long enough so they know what they're talking about.
Posted by: Randall | August 4, 2006 03:10 PM
yeah i posted earlier ... gary clark has to make the list. growin up horsin around playin football at the park or two hand tag in the streets. there wasnt a kid around who didnt want to emulate clark. to quote frank herzog "good night irene, touchdown washington redskins!!"
Posted by: glen | August 5, 2006 08:17 AM
My question is: Why is Chris Hanburger not in the hall of fame? 9 pro-bowls and not even a mention.
I saw Green and Fischer play. Green a better athlete, Fischer a better player. Remember, Fischer played before fla-football rules were instituted.
This polls are silly. How can you compare players of different eras? Players one have not seen? Silly, how else can you explain B. Mitchell as one of the all-time anything ... well, other than big-mouth.
Posted by: opita | August 5, 2006 09:58 AM
It is impossible to make a list of 16 and do justice to all the players who made outstanding contributions to the team. So many have been left off that deserve recognition and I'd like to mention a few more, just so they know that we haven't forgotten: Dave Butz, Diron Talbot, Mark Moseley, Charley Taylor. And I need to mention Doug Williams as well. I know it was just one season, one game, perhaps one quarter, but what a quarter it was-- the most memorable quarter ever in the game's most important game.
Posted by: Ray | August 5, 2006 01:32 PM
Pat Fisher was a gammer. But I still remember him trying in vain to tackle Larry Czonka and riding on his back to infamy. Not having Butz listed must be an oversight (I wonder what his helmet is worth?). Our best trade ever - Sneed for Jurgenson. The hogs should be listed as one (they were the best unit period). Just the ramblings of a born in DC fan. Go SKINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Charlie | August 5, 2006 02:05 PM
How about the top ten plays? Ken Huston's tackle of Walt Garrison-Riggo's SB run-Darrell chasing down Tony D-Darrell's interception and vault-and anything associated with Wahoo McDaniel
Posted by: Charlie | August 5, 2006 02:17 PM
What about kick returner Ozzie Clay? "All the way with Ozzie Clay" was one of the great cheers. Okay. I don't know if he ever played a full season.
Posted by: redskin fan | August 5, 2006 08:30 PM
Neil Olkewicz played, what, 15 years as a walk on from Maryland? Solid. His contribution was the Skins didn't need to look for a MLB for a decade and a half. Great point earlier about Mosely. Riggo was flamboyant, but if you ever saw Larry Brown run, it was something. He gave his knees to the team. Butz - the gentle giant. Took two linemen every game to stop him. Without Butz, how good would those D-ends have been? Fischer vs. Harold Carmichael, and Darrel Green running down Dickerson v. the Rams as a rookie in the playoffs. From behind. Mitchell should have been left off this list. All the Hogs.
Posted by: Rich | August 5, 2006 11:03 PM
I would have included either of the following Mark Mosely, Mike Nelms, Gary Clark, Pete Wysocki, or Joe Washington (That TD against Detroit still ranks as one of my all-time faves).
Posted by: Lee | August 5, 2006 11:06 PM
It is offensive to leave Charley Taylor off the final eight.
Taylor ran like the wind, possessed hands surer than his able counterpart Bob Mitchell, blocked down field like no receiver, then or now, and on those rare occassions when there was a lead to protect in the fourth quarter and the Skins were kicking off he was the "safety" of the kickoff team because he was the bveest all around athlete on the team. Mitchell and Monk were superb and gave us all so many thrills, but Charely Taylor was the complete package -- corners, safety and even linebackers hated to see him coming as he could out manuveur them, out catch them ,out run them and in most cases out hit any of them!
I worked in the Redskins Press Box during law school; it was an unforgettable experience (the Press Box, not law school) and a resounding Taylor down field block produced a loud gasp of astonishment, appreciation from the rows of scribes lodged there to objectively report on the game and who presumeabley has seen it all. It was a moment I will never forget, both the block and the reaction, authored by a man who was the truest of Redksins both on and off the field.
Certainly these polls are not scientific and to be "slighted" as Charely Taylor has been is no insult, but please post this as his efforts were so noble for so long.
Thank you.
Posted by: Norman Cohen | August 7, 2006 09:29 AM
Dexter Manley should be leaps and bounds ahead of Charles Mann. Mann was good on the field and great in the community, but Dexter was absolutely, hands down the best! His off-field problems probably pushed votes to Mann.
Posted by: Eric Bowman | August 7, 2006 10:34 AM
How in the world can you leave out Charley Taylor?
Posted by: Al | August 7, 2006 06:54 PM
There is a lot of bashing of Brian Mitchell in here. The guys is going to the Hall of Fame. That's enough for him to be on this list (which is why I am puzzled at the omission of Charley Taylor).
Posted by: Tom from Germantown | August 8, 2006 08:57 AM
oh, one more thing. Charley Taylor should replace Joey T on this list. Theismann has no business being in the top 16.
Posted by: Tom from Germantown | August 8, 2006 08:59 AM
Daryll Green will win this pole however Joe Gibbs is the greatest Redskin of all time. There should be no argument from anyone.
I would have left BMitch and Mann of the list. I would of put two hogs on the list instead
Posted by: Jon G | August 9, 2006 02:31 PM
Sonny J was a great Qback, but not in the same league as Sammy Baugh. Baugh was possibly the great NFL player in history. He was All-Pro at 3 different positions: Qback,Safety, and kicker -all in one year.
Plus, Sammy didn't have the coaching or surrounding personnel that Sonny J had. Sonny was great, but??????????????
Posted by: jerry Welch | August 14, 2006 02:55 PM
Brad, it is "Lachey" not "Lachay."
Colin Chapman has it right, it will and should be Riggo vs. Darrell. Darrell wins hands down.
Word.
Posted by: Chris Wolfington | August 14, 2006 08:45 PM
The truth is, you gusy have forgotten him but the guy with the most heart on this list was Larry Brown. #43 FOREVER! never forget.... Beyond that how does Charley Taylor get left off? And MArk Mosely would be a natural choice over Joe T.
Posted by: SKINMAN | August 14, 2006 08:52 PM
Charley Taylor retired as the all-time leading receiver in the NFL.I believe Art Monk held the same distinction when he stopped playing.Taylor,however,finished with 90 career touchdowns,several more than Monk.In George Allen's first year as the Redskins coach,the team started 5-0.Taylor broke his ankle in the 6th game,against Kansas City,and they ended up with a 9-4-1 record.He was truly a difference maker.To not consider him as perhaps the greatest Redskin is ridiculous.
Posted by: seang | August 15, 2006 01:50 AM
Wasn't Mark Mosely their all time leading scorer? (or was it Ali Hadji-Sheik?) Anyways, too many glory positions on the final 16. Must have at least one Hog or the list is invalid! ...And Dave Butz too.
Posted by: Scot | August 15, 2006 07:46 PM
I'm curious if any of the fans who didn't think Brian Mitchell should be in the Sweet 16 lived outside the Washington area during Mitchell's prime? As a first grader, I became a Redskins fan by accident when all of my friends wanted the Dolphins to win the Super Bowl (I lost $1.25 in bets, which seemed huge at the time). Being a Skins fan in Philadelphia, Brian Mitchell always seemed to be electric, probably due to his versatility.
As with any player poll for a storied franchise such as the Redskins, the more "current" players will always have an advantage...sadly Mr. Taylor must have fallen to that thinking. It actually would have been great had the Post picked 32 players, because a team with such a long and rich history as the Redskins have enough players to easily fill that number.
Three closing thoughts:
1. Great comments from everybody.
2. I totally agree that Chris Hanburger should be in the Hall of Fame.
3. Those who called John Riggins and Darryl Green in the final round are commended (personally I think Green will be the champ).
Posted by: DjRooDC | August 20, 2006 04:43 AM
You should have placed a slot for the best special team player. Rusty Tillman
Posted by: Charlie | August 21, 2006 01:31 PM
Once again the Veteran's Committee voters for the Pro Football Hall of Fame have overlooked Chris Hanburger (9 Pro Bowls, 5 Time All-Pro, 1972 Defensive Player of the Year), this time in favor of Charlie Sanders (7 Time Pro Bowl Tight End for Detroit) and Gene Hickerson (6 Time Pro Bowl Guard for Cleveland). Here is a list of the 9 Veteran's Committee voters and their e-mail addresses:
Len Shapiro (badgerlen@hotmail.com)
Don Pierson (dpierson@tribune.com)
Rick Gosselin (rgosselin@dallasnews.com)
Jerry Green (via mike.ohara@detnews.com)
John McClain (john.mcclain@chron.com)
Edwin Pope (epope@herald.com)
Jerry MaGee (jerrymagee@uniontrib.com)
Ira Miller (imiller@sportsxchange.com)
Dave Goldberg (via info@ap.org)
Please do your part as a Redskins fan and write to each of these people. Ask them to simply review the career resume and Hall-of-Fame credentials for Chris Hanburger. If enough fans bring his name to their attention, his resume will do the rest and we will soon be able to celebrate the enshrinement of a truly deserving Redskin into the Hall-of-Fame. Thanks.
Posted by: Tim | August 27, 2006 06:48 AM
Who in the flying fIRETRuck is jason feller? Another loser transplant like Wimpon and Kornholer? Another S.F.B. who has no clue because he grew up in BUMFiretrUCK, Idaho?
I hate out of towners like this dipset trying to acclimate by pretending he cares.
Sammy Baugh is the REDSKIN, even if Snyder shows him no respect or love. He is the oldest living H.O.F.er and part of the inaugral class. Still holds NFL records too. The list has too many half and halfers on it. The only guys on it should be guys who played their whole career, or at least most of it in DC. Sonny, Riggo, Kenny Houston, Pat Fisher, Huff, Bob Mitchell all spent too many seasons in other jerseys. Baugh, Monk, Taylor, Hanburger and Green need to be cast in a re0-vote. Too many hanging chads here!
Posted by: jd | August 27, 2006 01:37 PM
No mention of Billy Kilmer--the heart and soul quaterback who followed Sonny J? Lead them to a Superbowl How can you leave this guy off any list?!
Posted by: Bob Jack | August 28, 2006 06:34 AM
Because so few Redskins fan saw Sammy Baugh play, he is not given credit as among, for example, the five greatest Redskins where he certainly belongs, if not at the top of that list.
Posted by: Mike Monroney | October 1, 2006 10:02 PM
Dexter Manley would've have been possibly the best defensive end in football if not for his off field problem,Only had one notch against him he could stop the run whenever a team ran the ball they ran at Dex.Arthur Monk is and will always be one of the greatest Wideout of all time it was only one wr. better and that Jerry Rice it's a dam same that the so call inducty's won't vote him into the hall of fame.Darrell Green is the greatest cornerback all time if Darrell was 6' foot he would be know as the greatest cb of all time and I'm not saying this because i'm a Redskins fan because i like the Steelers to. Three finalist DG,ART,DEX dont tell me about Riggo his stat speak for itself H-O-F yeah right.
Posted by: Clifton Makell | March 30, 2007 09:35 AM
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Where is Charley Taylor, Jeff Bostic, Joe Jacoby, Russ Grim, Gary Clark, Dave Butz, Stephen Davis?