Best coverage I've read all day!

She did fight hard.

She'll be a valuable ally against McSame.

Absolutely amazing.

No matter what the facts say, Hillary continues to deny, deny, deny.

Sounds just like Dubya ... when the facts don't favor his point of view he just pretends they do.

I don't want a repeat of someone who can't accept the truth and then act on it. At least Obama can do that much.

Dana,

Do you actually read your columns before you post them?

You've become such a partisan Clinton-basher that your writing has become sophmoric.

You used to be a strong, reliable voice at the WP. What happened?

Mr. Dana Milbank is not funny........Hillary Clinton is someone who requires 24/7 watch because of her delutional tendency, and Washingtonpost reporters are making fun of her...........it is a sad day for journalism in America....
I am moving to another country...........I forgot this was not mine in the first place.

Hillbillies for Hillary!

All she has left are toothless high school dropouts who spend their time fixing old trucks. She is just pathetic now. What is she doing?

**Sighs** The race for the nominee is over. I guess we're stuck with Obama.
Tim on MSNBC last night had an interesting observation. He said that one of the reasons Clinton is still pressing on is bc of debt. Need to get donors to make up some of it.

The media makes me sick - first they predicted that Obama would win Indiana, but when he lost, they didn't give credit where credit is due. They took her victory from her and down played it. All in all, I thought it has been a great and close race. The candidates are very similar. I commend Clinton for not giving up so easily. If we were going to have our first woman president, it would be her. I think that she's going to leave on a high note and that maybe she's doing all this to run again in 2012.

I pray that Obama can now prove us Clinton-supporters wrong and lead this country in the right direction. Don't let us down, Obama!

No McBush in 2008!

I called it all over but the shouting a month ago. And that is true for the general election too. It is McCain that is unelectable.

Thank you, Dana, for calling out George S as what he was and still is - a Clinton man.

HILL NO!
PLEASE JUST GO.

I don't see why a state full of Blacks like North Carolina can change the election. Hillary is still the best candidate for the office of President. I guess that because Obama is Black that he gets special privileges.

It's time for Hilary to pack in her ego and go home. She has demonstrated that she is not trustworthy, that her priority is HER victory, that she doesn't give a damn about the Constitution, and that she is essentially a neocon. Basta!

Courage - that is what Hillary lacks, the courage to look herself in the mirror and say, "it is over...there might be a next time, but for now, concede."

Now I'm just feeling sorry for her.

Reading Dana's piece, I was sadly reminded of Baghdad Bob's pronouncements: "We've got them on the run..." etc, etc...

so, at the outset this was hillary's to lose. and she lost it.
hillary supporters, continue to throw good money after bad so hill can pay off her debt.

Time for Obama/Hagel in the general election!

As Dr. Jack Kavorkian would say: We're all finished here.

I'm starting to feel sorry for her, after reading this:

"an aide sought to whip up enthusiasm by telling the assembled reporters that Rep. Heath Shuler had just endorsed Clinton."

How pathetic! Is she trying to achieve this effect?

So, it's over.
Obama is not going to campaign anymore for the nomination, right?
Because, you know, it's over: Tim Russert declared him the victor! What else is needed?
I guess his Hopeness can go back to Chicago now and try to get Rezko out of trouble.

Hillary lost to a better candidate, who ran a better campaign. This was over long ago, but the media kept talking her up so they could capitalize. The delegate gap is, give or take a little, the same as it was prior to Texas and Ohio--Not a surprise for anyone with their eyes open, due to proportional representation. Still, she is incapable of grace. She is going after the Klan vote in West Virginia. We should be marching against Hillary, not voting for her!

MJ and magpie: Milbank is not a reporter, he is a columnist. He is not paid to be objective. Instead, he is paid to give his opinion and make it funny. Whether one thinks that funny or not is a different matter, but he is not paid to report the facts straight.

I agree that journalism is in a sad state in this country, but singling out Milbank is the last thing to do. He lives and breathes satire as a columnist.

Obama won NC with 91% of the black vote which was 33% of the total Dem primary vote. That means that his vote total was 53% black. Now that may spell victory in the NC primary, but in reality, blacks make up only a little over 12% of this country's total demographics which includes children who cannot vote (but might if the Dems can figure out how).

Obama consistently loses the white vote; whites make up 74% of the pop in this country again including children, which the Dems will only allow to vote only if they could steal it.

I do not see how Obama wins the presidency if he basically only carries the black demographic.

Sardonic ("guess that because Obama is Black that he gets special privileges"):

No more special than we white folks have been getting for hundreds of years in this country. Come on now.

Magpie, Dana's "problem" is called recognizing reality.

Time to put aside the petulant grade-school stuff folks and come together against McGrampy/McCranky (whom I thought was okay back in 2000, but whom I no longer recognize for his pandering/flopping).

I have been for Obama from the start. I live in Indiana and voted for him yeasterday. At this point I feel very sorry for Sen. Clinton. She has fought long and hard. She should be proud of how far she has come. At the same time she needs to accept that it is over for her. We need to heal our party to beat Mcsame in November.I hope that she will soon concead with grace and put herself and her suporters behind Sen.Obama. I know that if we all join together we can retake the Whitehouse for the good of America.

Hillary 'Harold Stassen' Clinton. How long will she recite her stump speech? How long before no one shows up? How long will it take the only-months-ago, sure-thing nominee to face the real world?

I think if she stands aside and swings her followers to Obama, she and Barack Obama can be a powerful adversary to McSame and the ghost of Shrub. With Hillary as Majority Leader in the Senate and a strong Attorney General, Obama can start repairing the most wounded part of the American polity -- its Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

the Clinton's are incapable of sacrificing their own ambitions for the good of the party or their country.

Bill effectively destroyed the Democratic party when he forced them to defend the indefensible in a sickening impeachment trial which gave the Republicans a permanent position on the high moral ground from which an inferior one term Gov from Texas beat them like a drum in two presidential elections.

the only thing that saved the Democrats from oblivion is the total incompetence of the Bush administration.

Now it's Hillary's turn to wreck havoc among the Democrats.

the vehicle that will cause the Dem's destruction is blaming Obama for denying the people of Florida and Michigan the right to vote which is nonsense. But it is an issue the Archie Bunker's of the world can get their head around.

The one thing your can consistently say about the Clinton's is that they are predictable.

This article is another example of the constant media bashing that Senator Clinton has had to endure throughout her campaign while Senator Obama has been treated with kid gloves. Sexism in the media should be just as unacceptable as racism, and it is clear that we have a long, long way to go.

it would seem that clinton has been surrounded by metaphors, bordering on prophetic...the derby race, where she said to bet on the only filly...only to have the horse pull a strong second to big brown, at the cost of her survival...the cams dropping out of the sky...her inability to operate either a coffee machine or a gas pump, when her newest twist is her affinity with the common man and a gas tax holiday...

in the parallel universe that is hillary clinton, i truly don't think she sees the math, the will of the people...and dumbing down the election to the "uneducated" white male is a travesty...

the nuts and bolts are this...she was 10.3 million dollars in debt last month...she's now upped the pot another 6.4...i would wager that there are also unpaid debts from pennsylvania, if her past actions are an indication...bottom line, she has a honkin' amount of debt...no way to run a campaign and certainly not a good indication of how she would run the government...

she's given a tenacious and determined run, but, to use an already overused phrase, she "cannot close the deal".

if this were a ball game and that was the end of it, i would say "carry on as long as you like"...but the reality is that this is simply the smaller portion of the big picture, the general election...as her task now seems insurmountable, it would behoove her to show some grace and honor, and, step aside...she has no reason to feel shame for wanting the gig...she has no reason to feel like a loser...she fought as best she could, but every good gambler knows when to double down...and when to fold.

Either Hillary Clinton should drop out gracefully forthwith, or it will become painfully obvious that her strategy is practicing character assassination against Barack Obama, so that she can come back and win in 2012 after four disastrous years of McCain.

The American people deserve better. Close ranks and support Barack Obama.

@jka - what are you talking about? you are seriously blaming sexism in the media for hillary's fall? get a grip...

Posted at 12:00 AM ET, 05/ 7/2008
Putting the 'Stale' in Stalemate
By Dana Milbank

"But no deal closed and no game changed Tuesday night."

Posted at 02:20 PM ET, 05/ 7/2008
All Over but the Shouting
By Dana Milbank

"Her loss in North Carolina and her narrow win in Indiana all but sealed the Democratic nomination for Barack Obama ... the candidate who has been all-but eliminated ... Clinton aides, if they slept at all, awoke to brutal judgments about her prospects ... even some of the faithful said they could read the writing on wall ... Clinton betrayed her changed status ... She spoke as if nothing had changed Tuesday night."

Looks like Clinton aides weren't the only ones who awoke to a harsh new reality on Wednesday morning, eh Dana?

I did warn you last night you'd misread the tea leaves, that you'd "phoned this one in too early". Can I have your job now?

It's true that she won't be the nominee. It's also true that if she is not offered the vice presidency, he will loose. He can't win witout her. If he doesn't, I like millions of others, will leave the Presidential Box Blank. I will otherwise vote straight democratic ticket.

I am one of those poor disenfranchised Florida Democrats.

I voted in our primary (for Edwards, alas!) and cast my vote with the knowledge that my vote would be largely symbolic, since my delegates would not "count."

Had I known then that my vote might have counted, I would have cast my ballot instead for Mr. Obama. I am not the only Florida Democrat who cast a "symbolic" vote assuming that such a vote would not count in the mathematics of primary politics.

It is therefore not reasonable to believe, as Mrs. Clinton would have us believe, that the vote in Florida was an honest and reliable reflection of the presidential preferences of the people who voted. It is not. No candidate campaigned here. In Michigan's case the situation is even weirder - only Mrs. Clinton was even on the ballot.

So, I would prefer that my vote NOT count, and that the rules not be changed in the middle of the game. Leave Michigan and Florida be, and let the process run its course without us.

Wow from what i read on these posts most just dont want to vote for an African American. Shows this country still has racial hatred roots. What has Hillary done that is so special? She voted for the Iraq war but wont say why or condemn her vote. Then she turns around and votes to give W the right to bomb Iran. If Rudy didnt get prostrate cancer in 2000 she wouldnt be on the political stage to begin with.

Hillary Clinton has an amazing ability to put on a shining public face. I imagine that it was a frightening tirade in private last night and this morning, though.

Unfortunately, though, pretending that nothing is wrong will not make it so. Clinton's campaign is beginning to collapse around her, and hopefully someone pulls her out in time.

Rep.Heath Shuler endorsed Clinton TODAY ????
A day AFTER she got crushed in his home state. I knew he was never much of a pro football player, but I didn't realize he was this dumb as well. Poor guy !

Haven't I seen this movie before? Oh yeah, 'the sixth sense' she is dead but doesn't know it. Where is Haley Joel Osment?

The corpse walks. It talks. It yells. It wears another garish pantsuit.

It's...still...a...corpse.

"If we had the rules that the Republicans have, I'd already be the nominee."

So now a Democratic candidate is wishing she was a part of the Republican party? Wow, if there was ever a great reason for Democrats not to vote for her I would say it was this comment

Media pundits are no longer reporting the news, they feel they have a right to MAKE the news. So, Allow me freedom of speech.
1. The two richest wage earners in America last year were Oprah and Tiger Woods. We now have a black secty.of state,black generals,black presidential candidate. Yet people above like Mary whine about how bad blacks are treated. Slavery ended YEARS AGO, MARY. Put a sock in it and stop maligning white people. You can't give out a guilt trip because of everyday problems.
2. Obama is a black born-a-muslim Kenyan Christian with inexperienced past but potential. His wife is a version of Ann Coulter filled with hatred and sharp tongued. He will not be elected as long as the attitude that the White middle class is inferior beer-drinking,bowlers who wear silly flag pins. I suggest he get out of his limosine and salute the flag, which some men are dying for in Iraq. I wish him well in the future, but I won't vote until he proves he is able to handle the job.
3. One thing I never hear mentioned. People are extremely angry at the media for the way they have handled this. As they say in your business "this has legs".

That's right. It's "Dead Woman Walking" among her dueling banjos people. Very sad.

Senator Clinton is entitled to stay in as long as she'd like and try what she can to get the nomination. However, it will be sad and pathetic if she continues to try weaken Mr. Obama in a cynical attempt to give herself another shot at the nomination in 2012...

...then again, these are the Clintons, the people who were so shameful that GWB was able to campaign on a slogan (now shown to be pathetically ironic) of "Restoring Honor and Integrity to the White House"...

It's time for us Obama supporters to speak positively about Clinton -- and there's much to praise. We must allow her to exit with grace amid the respect she deserves.

And we absolutely need to bring her concerns and reasons for running to the general election. Obama must seek to represent both his own interests and those of his opponent(s).

So, Hillary is in West Virginia, the land of the great river called De Nial.

At this point it's perfectly fair to say that she's trying to drain Obama's funds in order to help McCain.

I hope Obama/Richardson beat the McCain/Clinton team this November.

Attention Hillary: Please pick up line one. It's McCain calling. Oh, and Lieberman is on line two. And while you're at it, Zell Miller is on line three.

Oops, just got another call. Benedict Arnold on line four.

Heath Shuler endorsed Clinton.

HEATH. SHULER. Any Redskin fan knows, this guy does not know winning (or much of anything else).

She really does need to quit now.

Mike of Atlanta,

No way those guys are calling her right now. It's not 3AM yet.

Would someone please get Dana Milbank to a university somewhere so he could take a writing class? His abysmal abuse of the English language makes President Bush look like George Bernard Shaw or Winston Churchill.

"Venturing into the speculative, she added: "If we had the rules that the Republicans have, I'd already be the nominee.""

So run for the GOP nomination in 2012. You're already running as a Republican: write off black voters, play on racial fears, support any wars that increase profits for the miltary-industrial complex and be the lapdog for lobbyists.

Dan: "It's also true that if she is not offered the vice presidency, he will loose."

I suspect that you haven't truly applied any critical thought to this issue. If he offered her the VP slot, he would be going against everything he's stood for when it comes to turning the page and wanting change in politics. And he isn't one for political expediency/pandering, as we've found.

The media will be spinning just for the sake of spin -- they have nothing better to do -- but I don't see beating McGrampy/McCranky as a big problem. The man is not what he was in 2000, is unpopular within his own ranks (even if the journalists like him 'cause he's so friendly to them), and if you took note of the republican primaries in IN and NC, you'll notice a solid chunk of republicans didn't even vote for him.

"He can't win witout her."

Nonsense. This assertion is based on what -- petulant disappointment? What facts? Please share. Obama is not at all like Kerry, and the D herd isn't populated with quite so many sheep as in 2004, thankfully.

Are you saying Hillary lied about her pledge to support the Democratic candidate? That her supporters will ignore her directives to vote for the nominee? Even if current petulants stick to their guns to "punish" someone (ultimately, themselves), I don't see it mattering with all the new voters around to offset them.

"If he doesn't, I like millions of others, will leave the Presidential Box Blank."

That's fine; tens of millions never bother to vote anyway, so what's a few more? We don't need it or, I dare say, want it.

Joe Sardonic wrote:

I don't see why a state full of Blacks like North Carolina can change the election. Hillary is still the best candidate for the office of President. I guess that because Obama is Black that he gets special privileges.

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I live in North Carolina and the state is populated far more by White Americans than Black Americans. Further more, Senator Obama garnered a significant number of white votes as he did black ones hence his huge margin victory in North Carolina.

The kind of thinking you represent is the very kind that hurts the unity of America! The citizens of North Carolina are GOOD decent people who is very capable of choosing a candidate without race complicating their decision. Please for the sake of America don't inject race where it doesn't belong. Thank you

wondering,

Obama hasn't just ridden to the nomination on the "black vote." Blacks did not win Iowa for him, nor Wisconsin, nor Idaho, nor Colorado, nor Kansas, nor a number of other very "white" states that have decidedly more Hispanic voters than black voters.

And 50-75% of voters in these states are not college-educated either, which means that the majority of the people supporting Obama in a lot of contests have been, in fact, working-class whites.

By parsing the numbers selectively in only one state, you can twist data to whatever conclusion you like. Unfortunately, the general election is a national campaign, and so it makes sense to look at national trends rather than the isolated examples of one or two recent votes. These show that Obama has work to do, but they don't prove that he cannot attract certain types of voters.

Even in your analysis, assuming your numbers are right, roughly half of Obama's supporters were white, which means that he attracted at least some working-class people. A lot of predominantly white southern Indiana counties still gave Obama a third of the vote or more, so it is not the case that these voters *won't* vote for Obama.

Face it, Clinton is done. Obama is able to attract white, working-class voters. With Clinton out of the way, he will be able to reclaim these voters that propelled his campaign earlier in the year. Clinton has bloodied Obama up a bit, and I think that this will ultimately be good for Obama--he'll come back the better fighter in the fall, and a lot of these attacks will seem tired and cliched the second time around coming from McCain.

in response to dan's post...Posted by: Dan | May 7, 2008 3:44 PM...i'm thinking no...for several reasons...

clinton brings a lot of baggage with her and the republicans will have a field day of distractions with her...i don't know if you remember the clinton years, but they were riddled, mired in scandal and nepotism...and, she currently has some new dramas that have not been picked apart, as of yet...and before you say the economy was great, pass that merit on to the advent of dotcom...

she very much represents the old guard...a 180 from what obama's campaign has been about...granted, he may garner votes with her, but, the end game of her playing second banana to him will never work during the presidency...not to mention, bill puttering around...she, herself, has stated that the vp must be "someone you can work with"...if obama has shown nothing else to the democratic party, he has shown that they do not need the clintons to thrive...he has run a superb campaign...grass roots a-go-go...ample monies and extraordinary voter registration...the democratic party's numbers alone should be enough to give the republicans pause...

they approach their objectives as polar opposites...their temperaments, their measure of trust in the american people, their motivations behind the presidency, the ways they have conducted their campaigns...

if one chooses not to vote for obama, because he is not clinton, then there is not much the rest can do...but, i think, that if one looks at the big picture of our country's welfare, shame on you, in not fighting the good fight to staunch the bleeding of bush's run.

I remember at the Democratic Convention when BILL Clinton had secured the party's nomination and he was giving his speech, his mantra of sorts was "It's Time For Them To Go" in reference to the Bush 41 Administration. I think it's time for us to chant that mantra to Hillary - "It's Time For You To Go. It's Time For You To Go."

Posted by Zaney8: He (Obama) will not be elected as long as the attitude that the White middle class is inferior beer-drinking,bowlers who wear silly flag pins. I suggest he get out of his limosine and salute the flag, which some men are dying for in Iraq.

Oprah and Tiger woods are not rule as it pertains to the black population. That is ridiculous. That is like comparing the white population of W. Virginia to Rockefeller. And if blue collar whites exuded something more than their obsession with gun rights, lapel pins, etc. maybe more people would a different perception and attitude. Just saying....

the republick conners are doing it again and using the same people to do it...

the same tools are being used...

I doubt that the ba ma supporters were ba ma supporters...

there have been reports of 18 PERCENT of the Democratic vote having been republick scammers voting for dah bama now...

so that they don't have to in the fa..ll

.

I keep trying to remind myself that it's only May and there are 6 months until Election Day. Maybe by then some of you more irrational Barack- and/or Hillary haters will get over your resentments in time to prevent another fours years of Republican rule; we can't take any more!

what you incompetent consumers / or sellors of evil fail to understand / and understand completely is...

this:

Hillary Clinton actually understands the territory that needs to be covered in order to turn the country around...

baba boy?

right. most of his followers posting here are Republick Conners...

they do want him to win. he will be ineffective without support on the hill...and no insights about the players...

he just wants the prize. that he can't use it or keep it don't matter.

if he cared about the United States of America

he would walk away and come back when he can actually do the job.

we don't need to hire incompetence.....his "win,"

is being handed to him by republick conners...

Florida is bush family territory

it was decisive in keeping Al Gore BLOCKED from the presidency....

and it is being used again to block Hillary.

is Obama a bad person? no.

is he capable? absolutely not.

he's a suit.

period.

. he can't deliver . what he doesn't understand .

even the "gas tax," thing show his stupidity

saying that George H.W. Bush could teach him something

is to totally ignore that the bush family and friends have been running the United States as an extension of their business interests and using the CIA as a political tool...

he doesn't even KNOW THAT.

what a mxxxxx fxxxing idiot

. these guys kill people as a solution .

and you can read about that here every day right?

you can't WTF, then maybe Dana isn't reporting the truth here is he

Joe Sardonic wrote:

I don't see why a state full of Blacks like North Carolina can change the election. Hillary is still the best candidate for the office of President. I guess that because Obama is Black that he gets special privileges.

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Oh, how DARE they have that "special privilege" of... oh.. what is it... ah yes. Having the right to VOTE for who they PREFER.

I am for Obama. If Clinton wins the nomination I will vote for her. I hope that the "I'll vote for McCain" folks will consider the damage that would do to America.

Clinton would make a better president than McCain so why would you let your hubris prevent you from voting for the Dem candidate? Hubris is what has destroyed America for the last 8 years. We need to regroup.

Nice article. For those whining about the media making the news, note that this is the SKETCH. A place for (hopefully) witty observations about Washington and politics. I rather miss reading the parliamentary sketch in the London Times and enjoy this column immensely.

P.S. Dana - your baker's apostrophe is showing. [We had a good eight years under the Clinton's.]

Hillary is starting to scare me... why is she sooo out of touch with reality... she is starting to sound like the crazy relative who is invited to the party but everyone avoids...

"Another beautiful day in downtown Arlington!" began Howard Wolfson, from Clinton headquarters. Had the candidate even discussed dropping out? "No," Wolfson said.

Wolfson, you are the fat lady singin'.

Gee, this place is kind o' dull withouth Liechmann, JakeD and ProudToBeGOP. Oh dear, I hope they haven't done anything rash.....

...I think that she's going to leave on a high note and that maybe she's doing all this to run again in 2012.

I pray that Obama can now prove us Clinton-supporters wrong and lead this country in the right direction. Don't let us down, Obama!

No McBush in 2008!

Posted by: Disappointed | May 7, 2008 3:15 PM
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I think she's done running for President. She will NEVER again have the advantages she had in this campaign. She was the presumptinve nominee, with all the endorsements and a ton of money. If Obama wins (or even if he loses ala Gore), that takes care of 2012 for her. In 2016, she's 68 -- Dems don't nominate old people.

Besides, eight years from now, you'll see a strong candidacy from a woman who's not associated with the Clintons or Clinton-style politics. Maybe Kathleen Sibelius, who backed Obama. There are a number of Dem women in a position to get national exposurein an Obama administration. And they'll be mainstream Dems, not "centrist" Dems (read: closet conservatives) like the Clintons and the DLC types. Oneof the unstated reasons Obama gets so much support from party pros is because he is a Howard Dean/Paul Wellstone "mainstream" liberal Democrat; Hillary's from the wing that tried to make mainstream liberals take a back seat. If Clinton were to run again, she would REALLY be seen as a candidate of the past, not the future.

While admitting I would never vote for her in this election I give Senator Clinton a great deal of credit for being a skilled politician and talented person. I don't like her or her husband much, largely because I believe their legacy enable GWB to ruin the standing of this country, but I think she is an extraordinarily talented person (there is no shame the 2nd most talented person in this campaign) and deserves credit for a fine effort.

If Hillary wants anything out of this, she ought to concede and take VP while it's even on the table, otherwise she goes home empty-handed. Also, just a question for the gallery--can a candidate win a national race with zero support from the rednecks? Oh, excuse me, "white working class voters."

North Carolina is a gem among states as it is where my life began. It is a predominately white state that has progressed to my delight to one of the most racially progressive states in the nation. I am very proud of my home state and I am proud that they saw through the pandering and racism that obviously persist in other enclaves like the one that belongs to Joe Sardonic and some of the other racist on this blog. North Carolina is not perfect but it is not a black state or a white state it is my state and I love it.

RALPH NADER SPEAKING:

"If you'll pardon a modest lecture to the Washington press corps, especially the ridiculing, acerbic pen of Dana Milbank,
here's what I want to say,"

he began.

"What is remarkable . . . is the extent to which they display unwittingly a political bigotry, an exclusionary attitude toward any small party candidate with the effrontery to want to move what you have disclosed to the American people in television radio and print into public policy."

Excellent point, sir. Let us cast aside the ridicule, acerbity and bigotry, and take up a new cry. Nader/Gonzalez in 2008! And 2012! And 2016! And 2020!

-- Dana Milbank

By Eric Pianin | February 28, 2008; 2:50 PM ET

Nader's no dummy. He knew that if he jabbed Milbank by name, the reporter would not be able to resist writing a story.

Posted by: Spike3905 | February 28, 2008 4:30 PM

I think Hillary stayed with Bill all this time so he could help her get into the White House. Since that doesn't seem to be happening, perhaps a divorce is in the near future for them both - not that Bill hasn't cheated since he was caught with his pants down with Monica.

here's someone that has enough sense to look at the piece of apparel...and not buy by the label... "keep hope alive!"

how about keep the citizens futures alive!

jail a republick scammer....

__________________________________________

I've been a Hillary supporter since the beginning, and I'm sticking with her until the OFFICIAL end. I don't care that the media is digging her grave and that superdelegates are jumping ship; that doesn't matter. I'm not naive, nor am I ignorant to the math. She can't win, but I, like so many others, are still invested in her candidacy intellectually and emotionally.

She's running for a reason. Some of you claim it's because of her ego, but that doesn't explain her win in Indiana yesterday. She has a core constituency that is unwinnable for Obama. And once again, Democrats will lose in November.

So many of us are already signing up to johnmccain.com because we are serious. I'm an independent, and I don't give a damn about the party. I care about the country, and I don't want an empty suit in office.

I'm tired of the stratification involved in this primary -- both racially and socially. And I can't believe I was once a Dean supporter considering how badly he's dealt with this process. I don't want to associate myself with it anymore. Black people vote Obama, wealthy and young vote for Obama, and the elderly and the poor vote for Hillary.

And of course, all the wildcard Obama fans have to state their educational background when posting comments on here, while criticizing or challenging others to do the same. GET OVER YOURSELVES. There is a difference between optimism and naivety. Obama does not have a magic wand; he is a politician.

As soon as he's declared the nominee, the GOP will start the attacks, and he will be wiped off the map. He can't compete. He's built such a damning facade; he can't attack back and he can't remain silent because he's "new" politics, remember? He doesn't sling mud. This is a joke, as we've seen so far, and I find it hard to believe that people still vote for this clown.

Hillary's wise; she knows what she's doing. She's making her case; that although she can't win, she's still viable. She'll win in 2012 after Obama puts his still between his legs, and after McCain becomes too old.

So, congratulations kids; for all your supposed education, you sure have made some stupid mistakes.

Oh and my obligatory tag before you call me a bored housewife, a peasant, or senile: 21, f, college student, history major in ohio.

Posted by: Trisha | May 7, 2008 3:41 PM

God, it was satisfying, rewarding, gratifying...

to see the ugly, resentful smirk on Bill Clinton's face last night, behind Hillary.

There he was, the one who raped, molested, bothered, lied, pilfered (big time) ended with unbelieveable pardons of crooks and rats.

caught finally, losing, among other things, any possibility of anything but the legacy dirty that he deserves.

Oh, please let these two disappear from the public sight, finally.

actually,

the thing to consider for any job is competence in doing the job.

the fact that obama won't debate Hillary except from behind the safety of MSM moderators

says quite a bit about his compentence, and ability to stand on his own...

which is what republick conners are hoping to show him if he gets the nomination....

McGovern shouldn't have dropped out to let Nixon win

we didn't need a Nixon presidency, we needed a McGovern presidency...

but "good boys," will be good boys

even when it fxxxs over their country, they will do the right thing...

like not insisting on getting a final recount in FLORIDA in 2000

good boys are called "marks"

by republick conners...

who would Al Capone want in the whitehouse if this election were happening during the speak easy era?

obama or Hillary...

obama definitely, he would try and "be reasonable," and take a deal under the table...

.it's what he does.

he's winning on 16 years of republick conner hate speech,

not his merit or the people's understanding of his ability to do the job...

the people are stunned and reeling and following thier fears....

they don't know enough to vote responsibly

as usual....homophobia won the last election...appealing to stupidity is probably a good tactic...

that's why, disinformation as a tactic should be prosecuted.

we don't need no stupid voters.

.

Zaney 8 says: "Obama is a black born-a-muslim Kenyan Christian with inexperienced past but potential."

Er, Obama is not a Kenyan; he's an American. His father was from Kenya. :) If one is "born" a muslim as one is "born" a Jew, so be it. He chose Christianity as his faith. I myself marvel that I was indoctrinated into a faith where, in large part, the people who proclaim themselves followers of Christ's teachings are anything but Christian.

"His wife is a version of Ann Coulter filled with hatred and sharp tongued."

Based on what personal experience do you make this assertion? Or are you just believing what's spouted by commentators in the media (you're so angry with) who've taken comments out of context?

She's like Ann Coulter? Are you kidding? I guess not. Having no doubt put up with donkeys her whole life, I'd have had a much worse attitude than Michelle does. Nothing wrong with pointing out to a crowd that for the first time she's really proud of her country because she realized that so many are ready to elect her black husband.

There is as much to be ashamed of in this country as there is to be proud of; the sooner more folks admit it and do something about it, the slower our slide into ignominy. Only those who aggressively practice willful ignorance think there's nothing to be ashamed of in America.

"He will not be elected as long as the attitude that the White middle class is inferior beer-drinking,bowlers who wear silly flag pins."

This seems to be an incomplete sentence, but whose attitude are we talking about?

I think the WAPO needs a new caveat on these blogs: "WARNING: failure to look up the word "sardonic" before posting can be hazardous to your reputation."

In other news, blowit little dinger... wrote: he can't deliver. what he doesn't understand .

even the "gas tax," thing show his stupidity

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Pretty much took the words I meant to say about you right out of my mouth.

"North Carolina is a gem among states as it is where my life began"

Maybe true, but what does that make South Carolina, birthplace of favorite son and erstwhile presidential candidate Stephen Colbert? A platinum diamond ring of a state?

hmmm...

two-bit zirconium, I'm afraid, Bob.....

Born no where near NC myself, but after yesterday, I'll consider it home....

your family and friends...

'cause you most certainly appear to be their kind of people...

George Walker, GW's great-grandfather, set up the takeover of the Hamburg-America Line, a cover for I.G. Farben's Nazi espionage unit in the United States. In Germany, I.G. Farben was most famous for putting the gas in gas chambers; it was the producer of Zyklon B and other gasses used on victims of the Holocaust. The Bush family was not unaware of the nature of their investment partners. They hired Allen Dulles, the future head of the CIA, to hide the funds they were making from Nazi investments and the funds they were sending to Nazi Germany, rather than divest. It was only in 1942, when the government seized Union Banking Company assets under the Trading With The Enemy Act, that George Walker and Prescott Bush stopped pumping money into Hitler's regime. (1)

Prescott Bush, the president's grandfather. According to classified documents from Dutch intelligence and US government archives, President George W. Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush made considerable profits off Auschwitz slave labor. In fact, President Bush himself is an heir to these profits from the holocaust which were placed in a blind trust in 1980 by his father, former president George Herbert Walker Bush. (2) On the 20th of October, the government commenced action against the company under the trading with the enemy act. (3) After the seizures in late 1942 of five U.S. enterprises he managed on behalf of Nazi industrialist Fritz Thyssen failed to divest himself of more than a dozen "enemy national" relationships that continued until as late as 1951, newly-discovered U.S. government documents reveal. (4) In 1952, Prescott Bush was elected to the U.S. Senate, with no press accounts about his well-concealed Nazi past.(5)

George Herbert Walker Bush, the presidents father.

GEORGE H.W. Bush, as director of the CIA, had funneled enormous amounts of cash to drug runners including Manuel Noriega and helped in the destabilization of Argentina.

and Dana Millibank is all over that story as well as the SEC FRAUD

that George W. Bush commited, or the treason that Robert M. Gates committed against Jimmy Carter...

yes Dana is a light in the dark, that never goes on unless you put money it in...and then it points in one direction...

Bush utilized his own connections to help fund drug runners from Laos to Panama. Most shocking was the so-called "cocaine coup" in Bolivia in June 1980, masterminded by fugitive Nazi Klaus Barbie, "The Butcher Of Lyons." Barbie, who had been previously secreted in Latin America by the CIA, began working closely with the Argentines and used drug money to finance a neo-Nazi cabal, one that succeeded in overthrowing the government. The troops swept through the capital wearing Nazi armbands, according to former DEA agent Mike Levine. George H.W. Bush later facilitated the Iran-contra affair, employing many of the same methods: secretly selling Central American cocaine in America and weapons to Iran while using the profits to fund the contras and to overthrow democratically elected socialists in Central America.(6) as the head of the CIA and later as Vice President, toppled democratically elected regimes in South and Central America and began propping up a dictator by the name of Saddam Hussein in Iraq. Although forbidden by congress to do so, he continued to sell chemical and biological weapons to Saddam even after he used them on villages of innocent civilians. A decade later The United States had to go to war against him and the Bush family again, made GAZLLIONS from it.

...Hillary's wise; she knows what she's doing. She's making her case; that although she can't win, she's still viable. ...

Posted by: Trisha | May 7, 2008 3:41 PM

Posted by: here's someone that has enough sense to look at the piece of apparel...and not buy by the label... | May 7, 2008 4:19 PM

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If you can't win, how can you be viable? And if Hillary is so wise, why is her campaign (a) losing and (b) $11 million in debt?

want to help AMERICA come out of it's economic slump...

stop the "war" FRAUD machine...

make the US ECONOMY a matter of NATIONAL SECURITY....

put all contractors in IRAQ, AFGHANISTANT, and the US directly affiliated with the "war" FRAUD effect under GAO GSA aegis...

and examine their books.

an OCCUPATION is _ILLEGAL_

however, seperating the EMBEZZLERS aka

bushCO and CRONYs from the MONEY...

makes the United States a lot more legitimate in the eyes of the world...

especially if treasonists, like Robert M. Gates...who used the CIA as a tool to defeat Jimmy Carter in his reelection bid,

or George W. Bush who committed SEC FRAUD with Harken OIL

are arrested and prosecuted for those charges...

you could arrest Cheney for involvement in commiting perjury to Congress regarding WMD et al..it's in John W. Deans' BOOK, "Worse Than Watergate," the exact charges and the way to make them stick...

and put Pelosi as President...

then the IRAQIs might see us as a responsible and capable nation, rather than as a lawless regime "on the take."

.and we could deal for oil as an option.

. B me john .

To those Obama folks who say they'd rather stay home or vote for McCain than vote for Clinton, I have this to say:

Two words - Supreme Court.

Kiss your freedoms goodbye if Mr. McCain can finish the work Mr. Bush started ridding the court of moderates.

Hillary said, "If we had the rules that the Republicans have, I'd already be the nominee."

To that I say that if I had four wheels and a motor, I would be a car.

know didn't you

lack wits vote in an alcoholic, coke snorting, BJ giver named "Lips"

to be your president last time

sschitt for brains gbooksdc who has tanked the economy...

while tossing aside a Nobel Laureate???

I guess success at fooling the AMERICAN PEOPLE

is the only success you care about isn't it

gbooksdc

you've really showed me.

I could kick you around a debate stage all day long and still make a nice souffle

you're not my equal shunt.

.

republicans

will polarize defame and piss on obama and he will become the

flash in the pan he really is.

Republicans want him to run, he's the lone Indian

who will stop the whiteman....uh huh, sure he will...

John Riggins was something that happens once in awhile...

he certainly has more in common with "The Clintons,"

than obama

obama would be the towel boy

Andrew Young said that, Andrew Young knows the difference between hopes and dreams and "what is possible,"

Bill Clinton has demonstrated his strength of character and heart....relentlessly pounded by the Miami Dolphins / Washington INSIDERs

Cheney, Libby, the bush families, Paul Wolfowitz, the Kagans, Rumsfeld

he punched through their line, time after time...

he cut through the line, the hype, the spin , the BS storm...

how did they defeat him finally? they didn't , they couldn't so

they cheated....

they opted for electoral fraud, Diebold, voter culling, Ken Blackwell in Ohio...now working for a NEOCON think tank on K street , they intimidated the vote counters in Dade County FL, put Jeb Bushes girlfriends in charge of verifying the vote count...

talked trash relentlessly

and stained the reputation of a man that would go on to become a Nobel Prize winner...

Al Gore,

and instead of being celebrated as a great AMERICAN

we have to put up with these scheiss talking schiess stormers crap

as_if _that_ were okay,

it's not, in the real world it's called fraud

and CIA agents spinning schiess against the citizens would be called TREASON

because

that is what it is....and the punishment proscribed would death according to judicial studies that I'm familiar with, as and

because that is what it those treasonous acts are causing.

be forewarned, fair trial first, the rest is unscripted.

.your reponsibility is to the people first.

not the president by fraud.

get over it schitt stormers, you deserve jail time...real time

real soon time....fraud is a crime crime crime time...

expose' coming to your town soon. on Monday...be prepared...gomers...

.

There is this:

For anyone who saw her standing on the back of a pickup truck, red,

having gained weight in very unhappy places,

the pending demise of her ranting in some campaign speech will certainly nice-up general scene. I mean, I'm not aoo tidy an esthetic, but THAT was UGLY

are you afraid of me?

or being seen...

stupid is as stupid does, come and get me little endians...

I need my shoes shined and kicking some dumb azz

will do that nicely.

.

If Rudy didnt get prostrate cancer in 2000 she wouldnt be on the political stage to begin with.

Posted by: America over political parties | May 7, 2008 3:54 PM

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Between Rudy's many affairs and marriages, not to mention his shady company like Bernard Kerick, there is no doubt that she would have beat him, which was what the early polls were showing.

talks with that in his rear end

and asks you to "sniff it"

he is the apt named turd blossom .....

and he sucks it too...

"the proof"

.

and you would be the pudding.

.

the proof

is "in"

the pudding.

Trisha says: "So many of us are already signing up to johnmccain.com because we are serious."

So much for sticking with Hillary until the end, or supporting what she (ultimately) supports -- a Democratic presidency.

"I care about the country, and I don't want an empty suit in office."

At 21, you are too young to know what McCain used to be at his best and how much he's changed in the last 8 years. And clearly you haven't examined his policy switches/flops or his current beliefs; you cannot have done so, supported Hillary, and then switch to him.

"I'm tired of the stratification involved in this primary -- both racially and socially."

But, I'm guessing, too myopic to have seen how much Hillary's campaign and surrogates had to do with this.

"And I can't believe I was once a Dean supporter considering how badly he's dealt with this process."

Not sure what you mean here. He's not the dean of some college where he can dictate what folks do.

"... all the wildcard Obama fans have to state their educational background when posting comments on here...."

Really? I hadn't noticed that. I certainly haven't shared my background.

"Obama does not have a magic wand; he is a politician."

No argument there, but one might infer from this comment that you think Hillary and/or McCain are not politicians?

"As soon as he's declared the nominee, the GOP will start the attacks, and he will be wiped off the map."

They certainly hope so, but I don't think we'll make it so easy for them.

If your assertions about Obama are true, then you aren't saying much about Hillary as a candidate. She's stronger than McCain by miles in many ways, and yet she couldn't put Obama away.

"She'll win in 2012 after Obama puts his still between his legs, and after McCain becomes too old."

Not sure what you mean by "still between his legs". Perhaps I'm too old to recognize a new expression of the young?

I'm of the view that this was Hillary's best chance to get into the WH and she wasted it by running an incumbent's campaign, among other things. It's as surprising to me as anyone.

noticed the Deputy Secretary of BSchitt John D. Negroponte, at but brother to George W., was spreading some on the Charlie Rose Show, April 28th, 2008 today....

who is John D. Negroponte ???

former felon, the guy who set up the COLONIAL COMPOUND IN BAGDHAD, the guy who blows smoke up yur azz when

the fxxxxx George W., boy friend to Jeff Gannon, Karl Rove, Kenny Mehlman, and Victor Ashe, asks him to...

or READ THIS...it's about your currently serving GOVERNMENT officials appointed by unprosecuted felong George W.

Torture, Death Squads and Contempt for the Rule of Law

By Edward Herman

The U.S. political establishment keeps reaching new levels of hypocrisy, deception (including self-deception), and open immorality as the empire expands in the pursuit of "freedom," militarism and war become more institutionalized, and rightwing political power is consolidated. The appointment of Alberto Gonzales as Attorney-General is the most dramatic illustration of these developments, as he epitomizes the institutionalization of a regime of torture on the U.S.'s own Devil's Island (Guantanamo), at Abu Ghraib, Bagram, Kabul (the "pit") and elsewhere in the empire, along with the official contempt for law. (Human Rights First lists some 44 disclosed and 13 suspected detention centers in the gulag: see, Ending Secret Detentions, Deborah Pearlstein et al., Human Rights First, June, 2004:

http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/us_law/detainees/rpt_disclose_intro.htm [Media Material]

http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/us_law/PDF/EndingSecretDetentions_web.pdf [Complete Report]).

Gonzalez' appointment was an announcement that the United States under Bush is now openly and proudly an outlaw regime in which torture is acceptable and a feature of state policy, and was to be used further (as it has been), despite its illegality in a host of international agreements (and U.S. law) and the widespread view that it is deeply immoral. As Amnesty International noted in its 1974 Report on Torture, "One of the shared values of the humanist tradition was the abolition of torture. This principle found its way into the post-war declarations on human rights and laws of war without any dissent of debate" (p. 30). In elevating Gonzales, the Bush administration has officially rejected that humanist tradition and associated human rights and laws of war principles, not without dissent but with little or no debate.

It should be emphasized that U.S. involvement in torture is far from new. In the frontispiece to The Washington Connection and Third World Fascism, published back in 1979, Noam Chomsky and I showed that 26 of the 35 countries that used torture on an administrative basis in the mid-to-late 1970s were clients of the United States, and there was solid evidence that torture technology and training flowed out from the "sun" to all its "planets." But this was not overt and openly defended in important segments of the media (as it is with Limbaugh, O'Reilly et al. today), and it was done largely by proxies working over their indigenous dissidents and labor organizers. With the usual cooperation of the mainstream media, the U.S. public was spared knowledge of these activities.

Today the United States is heavily into torture directly as well as via "renditions" and proxy operations (e.g., the U.S.-employed Iraqis are now torturing with great zeal: see Human Rights Watch,, The New Iraq? Torture and Ill-treatment of Detainees in Iraqi Custody). And Gonzales, the principal legal apologist for this torture outburst, is rewarded with appointment as the highest law enforcement official in the United States. Could there be a more brazen statement of a country's leadership's contempt for basic morality and the rule of law?

Of course, another brazen statement was the invasion of Iraq itself, a clear case of aggression in violation of the most fundamental principle of the UN Charter and declared at Nuremberg to be the "supreme crime." Even though this was based on Big Lies in the Goebbels style, the establishment media and moralists have never considered this supreme criminality a point worth mentioning, let alone the basis of moral condemnation.

Aggression by Saddam against Kuwait in 1990 and alleged efforts to create a "Greater Serbia" by Milosevic - which I consider unadulterated baloney [see Diana Johnstone, Fools Crusade, pp. 32-40] - caused great indignation and harsh sanctions and military responses by the Great Powers, but a really major aggression based on lies by the Godfather, although it received a plaintive wee protest about "illegality" from Kofi Annan, was swallowed and the aggressor's further pacification and takeover of Iraqi affairs was even sanctioned by Kofi Annan and the Security Council (UN Security Council Resolution 1546 [2004], adopted unanimously, gives the "multinational force in Iraq" the authority to "take all necessary measures to contribute to the maintenance [sic] of security and stability in Iraq," and it "welcomes" .....

If campaign debts are a problem for Hillary, perhaps we Obama supporters can start a special collection to raise a few million more dollars to pay her debts on condition that she throws in the towel and ends this bad trip?

Uhm, "able boded seaman", do you realize your post is a tad off-topic? :)

for those narrow-minded and, seemingly, cynical souls, who fear that obama supporters are simply a bunch of elitists, paying homage to the young, naive, empty suit, bang these thoughts around in your head for a bit...

bill and hillary were obama's age when entering the white house...

hillary clinton, though a fine politician, has wasted her talents...she has not dedicated her life to empowering the american people,no matter how loudly she shouts it from the rooftops...she devoted her career to working for a corporate law firm and sitting as the token female on the "warm and fuzzy" board of walmart...she rode gaily on the coattails of her husband through his governorship and his presidency...parlaying all of this into her carpetbagger pursuit of the senate...further parlaying this into her run for the presidency...she has shown herself to be ineffectual on most counts, from her healthcare debacle to her run in the senate...

while you may not like obama, he built his life from the bottom up, under odd and adverse conditions...i'm sure, more often than not, looking from the outside in, to the rest of the world...

his initial professional efforts were geared towards the betterment of his community, not a high paying gig...his brief time in the senate was as productive as hillary's entire run...his entire premise for this campaign has been for the betterment of the american peoples and their country...he has mopped the floor with clinton in the tenor, the effeciency, and the bounty of his campaign...

in short, i don't think anyone thinks obama has a magic wand...but i do think they know when pandering smoke is being blown up their a#$...and i think they can judge the wisdom and judgement of a candidate, based on their actions and results...not on high decibel "i have 35 years of experience."...what has she accomplished for the american people and its government with these 35 years?

do

you realize that you don't realize what,

"on topic," means...

constrained by your expectations..

and yet your teachers are products of INSIDER WASHINGTON...

abrogast, defender of honor.

.

"If we had the rules that the Republicans have, I'd already be the nominee."

Soooo why don't you become a Republican? Oh, yeah! They already have a Bush. Never mind.

To those who post in all lower-case (or the opposite) and use ellipses (...) in the place of more appropriate punctuation (effectively creating paragraph-size run-on sentences), please do the fellow readers the courtesy of formatting your posts properly. That is, if you expect folks to wade through them.

Just a thought.

hillary is a neocon!

Clinton's options are simple. She can campaign for the remaining primaries and come to the convention to participate in the delegate count. The superdelegates are big boys and girls. If they see an urgency in uniting behind Obama, there is nothing stopping them from doing it. Indiana made it clear that its voters see no urgency in supporting Obama. Even in North Carolina, in spite of the big Obama victory, the last I heard he only had support of about 1/3 of the North Carolina superdelegates. The big news of the last part of the primary season has been the failure of Obama and his media lackies to convince close to half the Democrats that it was time for them to support him. The real question at this point is whether he values that support and what his options are for earning it.

when you export an import,

why does it count as an export ???

READ THIS it's how they have justified "that everything is just fine":

begin quote

"
another poster, horend wrote:

Maverick, I find understanding the markets difficult but will explain some of what I've learned.

GDP growth is not all derived from manufacturing as we are lead to believe.

It is the movement of money from one business transaction - a product is not necessarily created, but fees are generated, mortgages, corporate buyouts, downsizing, transactional legal fees, selling of credit derivatives, etc.

These constitute the movement of money which registers GDP growth although nothing was created.

There is also a report from two leading economics I believe at Harvard which discusses how the Bush administration has incorrectly equated imports as GDP growth.

If oil were sold in Euros and not dollars, the US would lose primary control of the oil markets. There was discussion that prior to our invasion of Iraq, Saddam Hussein was planning to revalue Iraqi oil in euros, thereby destablizing american markets. Further discussion can be found on line, about the joining of Mexico, Canada and the US - the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America which calls for use of a common currency the Amero. To justify a common currency between our three countries, the dollar must bottom out so this idea can be sold to the American public. Which to me explains the almost intentional devaluation of our currency.
"
end quote.

the important part to me, is that bushCO and CRONYs are treating imported/foreign manufactured goods as_if they were made in_country....saying that they ecomomy is good, when it's in the sh*tter because of their "creative accounting," aka FRAUD

nothing is being produced in_country except paper...and even accounting services are oursourced...medical is moving that way...

get a grip. there is no PRODUCT in GDP

.unless you call "skimming from the take," a product....

.

or am I missing something ???

I see a huge amount of MISSING INDUSTRY,

and MISSING MIDDLE CLASS...

certainly the computer industry has gone missing, and the manufacturing, customer service and anything that can be done from a foreign location is not done by AMERICANS any more,

though the companies that pretend to be AMERICAN based, still get their tax breaks and other priveleges as the citizens moving into becoming a

rentor nation, as foreign investors become the owners...

WTF ???

indict, arrest, try, and if convicted, execute the EXECUTIVE BRANCH FOR HIGH CRIMES AND TREASON against the United States...it's for your own good...

.

jazzgrrrl, you rock!

Hillary should stay in but turn positive and begin to take direct issue against McCain's positions/gaffs. It would keep her in the race (which can mean national TV coverage for those issues against McCain), allow her to present her position on Florida/Michigan to the Democratic Committee's Rules and Bylaws Committee (hopefully to get some change for the next Presidential Election), and show her supporters and independant voters that she is much more interested in a Democratic victory in November than in another Clinton setting in the White House. It also lends her support to those Democrats in Congressional races to gain Republican seats which is just as important as a White House victory.

besides getting a seat at the coronation...

let's hope there's a Magna Carta that requires articles to infact reflect the truth and help people to vote from a place of knowledge...

not emotion...

how's that for using ellipsis properly, or is it ellipsoids...

takeitfreely on it's onw

consider a simple example:

the one time harvesting of the money saved on in_country LABOR costs,

by outsourcing all jobs to cheaper labor markets overseas....

results:
reduces consumption, reduces liquidity, kills market flexibility and kills off all of the markets associated with those laborers spending patterns, as well as destroying what has been historically the LARGEST TAX BASE FROM WHICH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DERIVES IT's OPERATING INCOME aka MONEY TO FUND things...

how easy is it to get a different job, move to another city, tell your boss you don't like what he's doing, not paying your for the extra hours ???

currently everything that can be outsourced is outsourced...the inevitable result of a cycle of bottom lining corporate business....no studies of the business ecology impact on the United States or reconciliation with the realities of those effects...

a country going bankrupt, being taken over by OUTSIDE influences...being run by and for INTERNATIONAL MONIED, rather than for the

United States of AMERICA's citizens...

most citizens remember thoughts such as, "there are no limits," "the home I buy will look like," "the job that I have," "when I travel," "when I graduate,"...

a lot of people are not having those thoughts any more... they are having, "I need to get a second retail job," "I am going to have to live at home," "I have no choice but to enlist," "I hate this...."

when you kill the sheep the wool ceases to exist as a future possibility, when you kill the milk cow...there is no more cheese, when you kill the chicken for a stew there is no more eggs, and no chickes...

when you remove the middle class, there are much fewer large purchases, you've killed the golden goose...

that's why electing gay presidents that can't think with their big

head is bad for the economy...

and Dana's covering that isn't he...or keeping it in his pants...

.

warm up the losermobile clinties for that ride back to losertown. ah hah ah ah hahh ah ha

It's true that she won't be the nominee. It's also true that if she is not offered the vice presidency, he will loose. He can't win witout her. If he doesn't, I like millions of others, will leave the Presidential Box Blank. I will otherwise vote straight democratic ticket.

Posted by: Dan | May 7, 2008 3:44 PM
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There is absolutely no chance that Obama will pick Hillary as his VP. And he'll still beat McCain in November.

The more nasty comments I read about Senator Clinton, the more I see the hypocrisy of the Obama campaign.
Go Hillary!

you're afraid of me,

and vote for people that pander to your childishness...

you end up dead, because they aren't smart enough to make grown up decisions...

and they don't have enough experience being responsible to grow from mistakes...

Hillary, has been schitt on for the last 16 years....

and not because she's a bad person,

it's because she's part of a team that shoved

George H.W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, James Baker III, John Negroponte, Paul Wolfowitz, the Kagans, Scooter Libby, Robert M. Gates, thedickeCheenie, and other

thugs for drugs out of the way, and kept them out of the way,

whilst being assaulted from all sides...

if Bill Clinton was a wuss like dah babaman is,

we'd a been in IRAQ 12 years ago...

lose any WTC's to high tech explosions lately...

Dana -- check your typo, brother: "condeding"

little pinkie...I see you're writing from the back seat of your losermobile and giving george w. his favorite form of approval...

the LIPS seal of approval from simon.

NMAIF says: "The more nasty comments I read about Senator Clinton, the more I see the hypocrisy of the Obama campaign."

Babe, we are not "the campaign"; we are individuals. Yes, I'm afraid there is a similar proportion of whackadoos and children in both camps (you pretend as though every one of Hillary's supporters were all sweetness and light). I'm not proud of the bratty children who post, but not much you or I can do about it.

She fought hard and I'm sorry to concede that she has lost.

I am dismayed at how those who felt she was not the best nominee, Obama supporters and his campaign primarily, trashed her and Bill and Bill's presidency. How Obama turned her into "the problem" and equated Bill's presidency with Bush's. I can't hold my nose and align myself with such hatred, and I won't be voting in the GE.

Even Romney had the (gulp) class to get out of the race before hurting the Republican nominee. I don't think Hill and Bill have it in them to do the right thing here.

C'mon, guys--Heath Shuler was a fairly decent QB in college. He wasn't Peyton Manning, but he wasn't an embarassment to the Vols. (Trust me, I've been a Vols fan all my life. I've seen more than a few.) He reached his level of incompetence with the Redskins, is all.

"Clinton, famously late, continued the practice today, arriving a half-hour after her scheduled start time."

The phone rings at 3 AM but Hillary is too late to pick it up.

"... Obama supporters and his campaign primarily, trashed her and Bill and Bill's presidency."

His campaign did not "trash" her, Bill, or Bill's presidency. Come on. I could think of a few dozen ways Obama could have "trashed" her, and he refrained (rightly). The campaign is not some entity that can control views-actions of its supporters who can't stand her.

"How Obama ... equated Bill's presidency with Bush's."

Huh? How so?

"I can't hold my nose and align myself with such hatred, and I won't be voting in the GE."

That's fine, Hitpoints.

So of you are real ignorant! As much as some STILL deny it - this country is so racist it's pathetic. Our country is turning into some boo boo and some of you still harp on the Black/White bs. Our economy is some crap, our citizens are dying overseas, we pay more in gas than our car notes, we STILL a major U.S city in turmoil (New Orleans)....some of you need to grow up and get it together. If your ignorance and hatred is that strong.....I hope karma has wicked fun with you!

Clinton supporters, give us this day to gloat! We've earned it.

Tomorrow we'll be nice....promise

YES WE CAN!

i really believe the hand-wringing of democrats worried about the impact continued campaigning will have on the party is misplaced. six more states to get overwhelming attention from democrats while mccain fights a "mccain who?" problem over the next few months. and there are many other benefits to the dems, as stated here months ago: www.straightrecord.com/dems

OK, Obama supporters, time to cut Hillary some slack and give her room to exit gracefully. She knows it's over, everyone is telling her so, and if she doesn't know by now, she will shortly as the superdelegate shift to Obama gains momentum.

She's going to continue to go through the motions for a while, cutting back on expenses and continuing to try to convince her supporters she still has a chance so can can raise money to back down her campaign debt, which includes not only the $11 mill she loaned herself but also untold millions in unpaid vendor debt. But I expect her to strike a more conciliatory, upbeat tone on the campaign trail, and for Obama to pivot and begin to spend almost all his time drawing contrasts with John McCain. Both of them tipped their hand last night, Obama in his victory speech and Hillary in her valedictory. It will take Hillary's supporters a while to realize this is no longer a real campaign but more of a kabuki show. By then the change in tone will have taken some of the steam out of their anti-Obama passion, Hillary can announce she's broke and sees no clear path to the nomination, and withdraw on her own terms.

Time for us all to take our cue from Barack and turn our attentions to McCain; he's the opposition now, not Hillary Clinton.

"If we had the rules that the Republicans have, I'd already be the nominee."

Rules? In a knife fight? If there's one thing the Clintons learned from the Republicans is that rules are for the other guy. Create your own reality, stick with it and live it. Never back down. Deny, Twist, Spin, Offer an new narrative but under no circumstance limit yourself to being reality-based.

Votes in Michigan don't mean anything....oh wait yes they do...but they only mean what I say they mean not what I said they mean or what I will say they mean, know what I mean...Gotta go, back on the road.

A "GRAND BARGAIN" ... FOR DEMOCRATIC VICTORY!!!

It is clear, with even Hillary's campaign is coming to the rational conclusion that she cannot win, that uniting the Democratic Party around Barack Obama is imperative.

Here is a solution that allows everyone to take something from the table, which is what it is going to take for the Party to begin the healing process.

A deal should be struck whereby Hillary agrees to withdraw from the race, and Obama agrees to let most of the Florida and Michigan delegations be seated at the convention.

Hillary could then claim a victory of sorts, as making this the "price" of a dignified exit would allow her to say she is putting the Party's prospects in November above her own personal ambitions.

It would also help the Democrats win those two states in the general election.

It requires noblesse oblige from both sides.

Obama clearly has it.

And if Hillary takes the deal, it would do a lot for her to begin restoring a family legacy that this ugly campaign, and especially Bill Clinton's role in it, has so tarnished.

BradK, do you *really* think we here are talking to anyone but each other? We're here just talkin' smack.

The only folks Hillary has to expose herself to are the folks in her campaign, her supporters, and family; it's not like she is tied to a chair in a public square while the opposition yells at her and throws stones. :)

"... continuing to try to convince her supporters she still has a chance so can can raise money to back down her campaign debt...."

She doesn't need to do that, never mind the whole dishonesty angle. She's free to pay it off over time with fundraisers vs. under the guise of continuing the campaign, as have many candidates before her. (Worth noting that she was free to use her own money outright vs. loan it to the campaign in the first place; Romney was happy to spend his own cash. Would have been proof she truly believed in her campaign, if nothing else.)

To those who post in all lower-case (or the opposite) and use ellipses (...) in the place of more appropriate punctuation (effectively creating paragraph-size run-on sentences), please do the fellow readers the courtesy of formatting your posts properly. That is, if you expect folks to wade through them.

Just a thought.

Posted by: Mary | May 7, 2008 5:02 PM

i'm thinking that i am your guilty party...consider it laziness or creative license, which ever brings you more solace...

and, perhaps, you may find small consolation in deference to having to scroll through numerous, double-spaced single sentences and/or numerous parenthetical statements...

by the by, i thoroughly enjoy your posts.

"... and, perhaps, you may find small consolation in deference to having to scroll through numerous, double-spaced single sentences and/or numerous parenthetical statements..."

Huh? :)

Of course, WaPooPravda gets it wrong, again.

It's not "All over but the shouting."

It's "For the Clintons, it's all over but the crying."

Remember this day!

This entire PRIMARY was about RACE. Face it with 91 percent of the black population in the majority of areas voting for HUSSEIN.

Slickest deception play by the DNC, HUSSEIN and the Media. Naw this is not about RACE
it is about change, about unity, about the American People.

The American Voter has been duped by another SLICK TALKING POLITICIAN.. that is out for his own gains.

Not sure if we will ever find out who provided the DOLLARS for HUSSEIN to buy the election. He CLAIMS the small voter..

I AM WILLING BET. That at some time... we MAY find out how and who were his key backers.

Yeah... this was not an election about RACE. IT WAS AN ELECTION ABOUT DECEPTION.

REMEMBER BEWARE THE BLACK WOLF IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING.

reference to... Posted by: Mary | May 7, 2008 5:58 PM

so i'm feeling guilty responding, as we are way off the milbank topic ranch, but here's the nickel version...i'm lazy, i like to use less space, as my personal annoyance, is having to scroll forever through someone's thoughts...mea culpa...i gots to gooooo.

dnjake says: "The big news of the last part of the primary season has been the failure of Obama and his media lackies to convince close to half the Democrats that it was time for them to support him."

One might wonder why you put it in this light (as a failure on the part of Obama/his campaign) versus another, more positive way -- namely, a yardstick of how much Hillary supporters like her. If he were able to convince them to support him while she was still in the race, what would that say about her, her campaign, and the staying power of her support?

I wouldn't expect her supporters to flock to him in any numbers so long as she was a viable candidate.

Who would of thunk it?

Buckeyes, you blew it AGAIN.
Quakers, you were not true to your heritage.
Hoosiers, you bricked the last shot.

Never thought this elderly white Dookie would say: "How bout them Tar Heels!"

From this day forth, North Carolina will be known as: Obama's Flamer Wall.

True, the Flames will continue but the Flame Thrower is all but expended. More hot air and bombast will come from Hillary ("Obliterate Iran") Clinton.

You LOST the moral high ground with your votes on Iraq and Iran. You LOST your humanity by threatening to "obliterate" Iran. How much of our nuclear arsenal would it take to wipe out every man, woman and child in Iran, Hillary? Where is your promise to prevent GWB from starting another war without consulting Congress appropriately and possibly initiating WWIII before his term ends? Do you realize how you have emboldened this hypertestosterone, hyperaggressive male with your own alpha male hypertestosteronism? All for yourself. Your continuation in the race at this point is again all about yourself, not your real supposed cause, not about the Democratic Party and certainly not about the interests of the American People right now. Go fight the good fight against George Bush in the Senate and give up your currently delusional journey to the nomination OR be forever known as the Worse Person in History if GWB does gives us WWIII as his denouement.

The collapsing riser in West Viginia does seem like an appropriate metaphor for the Clinton campaign. It was built up and looked strong but, in the end, it wasn't well supported and collapsed.

The people at the rally were realistic at least. Last night the rusty bolt holding up Hillary's platform finally gave way and although there might be some structure left there's simply not enough time to rebuild.

cbday, you *do* understand that Hillary's not reading these comments, yes? :)

Hey Milbank,

Why don't you go work for Obama rather than pretending you are a journalist. You're a shill - nothing more, and a dumb one at that.

It is true that Senator Clinton may be crying. Beware, her tears are 98% molecular acid.

Hey Milbank,

Why don't you go work for Obama rather than pretending you are a journalist. You're a shill - nothing more, and a dumb one at that.

Posted by: J.D. Winterbottom | May 7, 2008 6:25 PM

Yeah, Dana, how dare you show such an unwavering biased to painfully obvious truth. What about the disqualified primaries and the moving goal posts? As a journalist your job is to report on more than just the facts.

"If we had the rules the Republicans have, I'd already be the nominee."

Having spurned our rules, she thinks she'd follow theirs. If elected, will she respect the limits imposed by our Constitution or govern like the reigning Republican?

Hillary versus Barack in the NBA finals.

Half-time: Hillary has been whistled for 5 fouls. Her supporters flood the NBA website: "Basketball is an American game, we can't have the same rules as foreigners, 10 fouls should be allowed before fouling out".

Second-half: The NBA doesn't change the rule but let's Stephanapoulis be the referee, so there are no more fouls on Hillary.

1 minute left in the game, Barack leading 100-82. Hillary: "I scored 10 straight baskets in warm-up. They should also count." Ref: "Barack wasn't guarding you when you made those baskets". Hillary: "He was on the floor, it is not my fault if he made a political decision to not guard me".

Commissioner: "Look basketball has rules and you have to play by them". Hillary: "Barack is winning under these rules but I am obviously the better player, so the rules must go".

F.Y.I people Barack would not be in the place he is in...frontrunner and winning if he didn't get votes from WHITE and the BLACK voters. Some of you are saying he can't win with just the black vote. HELLO, he is getting votes from black & whites. Iowa, Washington, Kansas, Utah etc. Don't let the media hoodwink you.
Obama 4 America 08!

Typical Obama supporters, rude to the end. I could never support a candidate that has that kind of network. No interest in the same old dirty politics from Mr. Hope & Change. He can go peddle that snake oil elsewhere. I'll vote McCain, first time ever I will cast my vote for a Republican. At least he has manners and even an extra quality Mr. Obama lacks. Experience.

consider a simple example:

the one time harvesting of the money saved on in_country LABOR costs,

by outsourcing all jobs to cheaper labor markets overseas....

results:
reduces consumption, reduces liquidity, kills market flexibility and kills off all of the markets associated with those laborers spending patterns, as well as destroying what has been historically the LARGEST TAX BASE FROM WHICH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DERIVES IT's OPERATING INCOME aka MONEY TO FUND things...

how easy is it to get a different job, move to another city, tell your boss you don't like what he's doing, not paying your for the extra hours ???

currently everything that can be outsourced is outsourced...the inevitable result of a cycle of bottom lining c