Articles of Impeachment To Be Filed On Cheney

It may never happen, but Kucinich is right to propose it. The lies, deception, and seemingly endless corruption require more than a Congressional scolding. Bush too must be held accountable, yet the great irony is Bush can't be impeached because if it were successful, then Cheney would become president.

Ah, yes, but the question is whether or not it'll stick, or if this is the last we ever hear from Kucinich after the WH finds out?

I'm off to find a tub of popcorn -- if it does stick, this could be an interesting ride.

You know...oddly enough, this sounds like a stroke of genius! The media waters have been thoroughly poisoned with the idea that impeachment proceedings against Bush as a no-go because of the Clinton impeachment. By the same logic, the failure to convict even ONE person - even if they were innocent - somehow makes it impossible to even try to convict the most depraved mass-murderer.

But going after the Vice-President is different. He's even more unpopular than Bush, for one thing. And I don't believe that a Vice-President has ever been impeached in the history of the US, so this is actually something quite new.

I understand why the perpetually-cowed Democrats in Congress are too terrified to dream of impeaching Bush, no matter how thoroughly he deserves it. But for some reason, it seems just barely possible that they might feel better about supporting a Cheney impeachment bid.

Maybe.

At first, I thought this was brilliant--finally someone has the courage to hold the engine driving the train accountable. However, on second thought, this (if it were to succeed and Cheney were to leave office) would get the next Republican president into office. Appointing a new vice president would be a dream for the GOP. Good intentions Kucinich, but bad idea overall.

The proposed action by Kucinich may well explain why he is near last place among even Democratic presidential candidates: political zeal not balanced by political smarts.
The Constitution allows impeachment for high crimes-normally interpreted as felonies- or misdemeanors that warrant removal from office despite being elected by the people. It doesn't call for impeachment for bad judgment or political ineptitude. This makes about as much sense as impeaching Clinton did. The most probable results will be to a) suggest Kucinich is desperate to revive a sinking campaign, b) ensure that the Republicans rally around Bush whether they believe in him or not.
We need to hope the leadership of the Democratic Party is smarter than Kucinich and will defeat the move in committee. If Bush is indeed wrong, then he and his party should be defeated at the polls.

Who's dick cheney?

Maybe Kucinich knows something the rest of us don't. Maybe he evidence that links Cheney's office to that infamous Italian letter. Or maybe, based on Cheney's statements in the media regarding our success in Iraq, he's going to try to impeach Cheney based on the assertion that the guy is effing crazy. Or maybe, he's going to go after him for obstructing an investigation when he refused to see the authorities for 14 hours after he shot a man (surely he wasn't drunk when that happened).

Of course cheney should be impeached and Bush simultaneously. With investigations, the evidence would be overwhelming that they did indeed manipulate intelligence and lie to america about iraq's wmds, ties to 911 and imminent threat. Additionally, they committed crimes of authorizing torture, illegal spying and illegal detentions. Democrats need some balls like Kucinich. Does america stand for criminal leaders? The rest of the world is viewing america as a torturing arrogant beast that invades other countries and is guantanomo. We have lost our moral authority and the way to regain it is impeachment!

Also, 51% of americans support impeachment, so we are the majority, including 20% of republicans, so it is bipartisan. If they support Bush as the head of their party, then they are represented by a criminal and their party will die.

START AT THE TOP WITH BUSH AND THEN DO CHENEY. THERE BOTH NO GOOD,THEY LIED TO CONGRESS AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE !!!!!!

The lack of leadership by the Democratic Party makes really solidifies my Green Party affiliation.
Criminals should not be allowed to run our country.

Go Dennis!
Dick is a great start in holding this administration accountable, screw the polls and political talking points, Dennis has the truth on his side!
-Mike

Why won't the Democrats pursue this? I don't understand. There is plenty of already documented, sworn evidence from Fitzgerald. In fact, at his last press conference Patrick Fitzgerald stated that he would be happy to send Congress any evidence they want. An invitation? Cheney's approval rating is only about 18%. Moreover, he is at the root of all the war mongering that comes out of this administration because people are afraid to cross him. Let's all stand up for Cheney's impeachment and make this happen from the grass roots. One person can make a difference.

i say definitely start with cheney... he would be more dangerous if bush got axed, bush is just a dumb puppethead for the real evil doers behind the scenes in their governmental undisclosed locations

According to Sue Lindsey's article (of the Associated Press), the first statement the White House made after the VT shooting was the following:

"A White House spokesman said

President Bush was horrified by the rampage and offered his prayers to the victims and the people of Virginia. "The president believes that there is a right for people to bear arms, but that all laws must be followed," spokeswoman Dana Perino said "

Why aren't journalists jumping on this? Doesn't this show how special interest oriented he is and how he is out of touch with the main stream and reality?

Kucinich should introduce a single article over Geneva Convention violations. Cheney has publicly dismissed the horror that is waterboarding as "dunking."

The Hamdan ruling has already established the reality of Geneva violations. These acts are also federal crimes under US Code: Title 18,2441.

This would put the DC Dem "leadership" (and that craven quipping Dem aide) on the spot to defend or oppose war crimes. The GOP Senators would be put on the same spot in a Senate trial.

It is the charge that would stick.

In fact, it is a "slam dunk."

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Well, Kucinichs lame grandstand play got him his 15 minutes of fame, but it wont save his candidacy. Somehow I suspect in the world he walks in Kucinich sees this as a way to firm up his base in preparation for his run to the White House. My only question is if that is the case just what world is Kucinich in?

I am sick and tired of hearing all these damn excuses why Bush and Cheney should not be impeached. Politicians are not above the law, dammit! Kucinich speaks for the majority of the Americans. Democrats, hear this, Don't let those bastards blame you for losing a non-winnable war. This is on their shoulders and is theirs to keep. Win or lose!

Impeach them both. it'll be a good thing.

President Pelosi would severely piss Hillary off.

Both Cheney and Bush have misled and betrayed our country, our democracy and our TRUST. They have commited high crimes and misdemeanors, which can be read HERE: http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/downloads/mckinneyarticles.pdf

The momentum for impeachment is growing every day. This online petition has already gathered nearly 90,000 signatures of THE PEOPLE: http://www.democrats.com/peoplesemailnetwork/88?ad=d0

We are in the midst of a Constitutional crises, and guess what? Our government isn't going to fix things unless WE THE PEOPLE stand up and make a big stink about it. This is a non-partisan issue. Bush and Cheney have betrayed their own party as well. They are not true to democracy; they are traitors and enemies of democracy and if they are not stopped, we are going to lose our country, and our world, to corporate power.

The demand for impeachment is a cry from the American People for the protection of DEMOCRACY as we have known it! Whether they are impeached, or not, at least we the people are starting to make noise about the injustice happening RIGHT NOW to America the Beautiful!!!

A true patriot of democracy and the USA

hats off to Kucinich! Cheney, then Bush. Impeachment proceedings are likely to blow the lid off a lot of things we've been getting inklings of for years... such as, but not limited to:

How are Duke Cunningham, corrupt Lobbyists like Jack Abramoff and Cheney connected?

Why did Cheney really target Valerie Plame Wilson, taking down her counter-WMD-proliferation network?

Why did we listen to phoney bunk from drunks and liars about Iraqi wmd?

Was Cheney behind the Niger yellowcake scam in the first place?

What was Cheney doing on 9/11/01? The Secretary of Transportation's witness testimony of Cheney's actions were strange!

Is Cheney profiting from the war in Iraq and its aftermaths?

it is brillant because cheney will pass the blame to bush, both will go down and we will have Pres. Pelosi!

This will be a brilliant move. It will insure. upon impeachment (and conviction), that this criminal will not have a chance to be the head of the government. One thing at a time, in it's own time, when the time is right. The chimp will get his due...

Cheney is one of the best vote-getting tools the Democrats have in their arsenal and every time he opens his scowly mouth out pops more reason for an Independent or moderate Republican to think seriously about defecting from the GOP. This is the nasty RealPolitik reason Cheney will never be impeached. . . he is too valuable a motivator for the Dem base!

At least someone has the guts to do something. To whatever it might lead. But the American people need to wake up and get rid off the corrupt administration and its cronies. Finally some real news!

Kucinich likely has an accurate picture of his lightweight status in the pecking order.

But he surely isn't dumb. Just MAYBE,he's moving on some brand new impeachable dirt on Five Deferment Dick.

I advise the congressman not to board any small planes that are scheduled to land on icey runways.

This is the only thing a congress person can do in the face of the abuse of power exhibited by the administration. Any representative that does not go along with these investigations is defying their oath of office to protect the constitution against enemies both foreign and domestic. Go Kucinich!

Democrats are still learning something that the GOP learned long ago: don't run from your party's most extreme elements.

The GOP has relied for years on the "repeating it makes it so" phenomenon. Even if Kucinich's request goes nowhere, he's the first representative to mention it. If the Democrats wanted to, they could make use of it.

Impeach! Yes democrats, go right ahead and spend the next two years focusing on that, assuring another win for the Republicans.

Thank you Dennis I knew if anyone would come through it would be you. At least one politician still believes that the constitution is a useful safeguard of the rights of the people of the United States against the dangers of unbalanced executive power. For this president, vice president and the future of the democracy we need more brave and constitutionally mandated action like this. You have my support for this action.

If Bush and Cheney are not impeached then the idea of impeachment should never again be brought up. For the future of OUR democracy and the whole idea of "We the People" impeachment is the ONLY way to restore the ideals of our Founding Fathers.

IMPEACH !!

YESSSSSS!!! Is America finally demanding our people to be responsible? YEAHHH!

Coo Coo Kucinich is running toward his base and away from reason and intellect. So whats new?

I wish Kucinich would stop dreaming he has any shot at the presidency in this world. If he set his sights just a little lower, like a major cabinet position, he would be so much more effective. He is a brilliant and principled man, but he has so little charisma, how can he not see that?

that aside, I hope he has the cojones to follow through with this, and I hope he isn't hung out to dry for it. if these bastards don't deserve impeachment, then I can't imagine how far the next maniac mob will feel they have a mandate to go unopposed. spineless dems, I wish they'd just disband if they aren't going to even throw the ball back, so pathetic.

and if this country elects another monster to replace that robot if he's impeached, well to hell with us all.

What charges, specifically would be filed against Cheney--what crime or misdemeanor would be charged?

Cheney is a vile, stupid, cowardly man. He deserves to be put through every ringer we can think of, and I love that Kucinich is willing to squeeze the bastard. It may even work, if specific legal charges can be found.

I may even kick a few bucks Kucinich's way if he can pull this off...

YES--IMPEACH CHENEY. NOW, WHO WILL INTRODUCE ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT AGAINST BUSH?
CHEERS FOR KUCINICH!

Contact your Rep.! Tell them to support Kucinich's Articles of Impeachment! I called and emailed Rep. DeFazio, my rep. Please do the same, email and call yours!

You can find your rep here: http://www.house.gov/writerep/

Thanks Mary Ann for breaking the story.

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Go for it Kucinich.

He has no chance of winning because he's as far to the left as Bush is to the right, and I think people are done with the extremes for now. Plus, impeachment has no chance of success due to the fact that Democrats do not carry the perception of having strength, so nobody is going to stand beside them in any endeavor of this magnitude.

So at the very least it could provide some entertainment as we head into the campaign season. I give him points for being creative though. Going after the VP is original. Maybe next he'll try to get Bush with a Court Marshall.

I dearly hope this turns out to be true and not merely a rumor. Cheney is so vulnerable and there is no doubt he's the right place to start. Kucinich is truly taking a powerful leadership role here and I admire the man.
For those discounting his presidential aspirations, how about Kucinich/Obama in 08. Who would the GOP put against that ticket on the heels of an impeachment that inevitably reveals the depths of the GOPs bloodthirsty militarism? McCain?

I love it when Democratic leftist fringe types talk about impeaching Bush or Cheney since it really makes them seem like loons to the majority of people. Why cant the Dems just get a president elected rather than try to impeach? Also, exactly what crimes have been committed? I would like specifics on that last one, not vague canards like "lying to the people" or "mass murder".

It will happen if we want it to! That's all it takes. So do you want it? Another great representative to check out- http://RonPaulReport.squarespace.com

If Kucinich follows through with this, he will instantly become the first and only candidate running for President in 2008.

Everyone else is simply running for Unitary Executive - hoping to assume the grossly expanded powers of this most corrupt, inept and morally bankrupt President.

Yet Cheney is by far the more sinister character of the two.

If you are not yet convinced of the impeachable offenses of both Bush and Cheney, please view them here:

http://www.impeachforpeace.org/evidence/

And please contact Kucinich through the Congressional Switchboard at: (202) 224-3121 to encourage him to do the right thing and follow through with this.

Then call your Representative and Senator and tell them to sign on with Kucinich. The Senate may not be in play at first, but the more members committed to honoring their oaths to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against these DOMESTIC ENEMIES TO THE CONSTITUTION who have occupied our White House.

Mikael Rudolph
www.ImpeachforPeace.org
minneapolis@impeachforpeace.org

How long will it take you propaganda disseminating genocidal apologists to figure out that Bush and Cheney and their gang are mass murderers, thieves, liars, and traitors. Anyone who had a basic civics class in high school that required reading (and understanding) the US Constitution and Bill of Rights should clearly see reason to impeach. Oh, wait. I keep forgetting most Americans haven't actually had the privilege of a proper civics class; so much for Democracy!

Based on the Mineta 9.11 Commission Report testimony alone, Cheney MUST be impeached.

I find this all hard to believe. On 9/11/01 the entire United States wanted Bush to do something and he did, the United States wanted to be rid of Hussein and we are. Now comes the calls for PRESIDENT PELOSI give me a break, she's conspiring with Syria who sponsors terrorism and she's wanting to go to Iran, and anyone with a pea brain knows about Iran. WHAT HAS THE PELOSI CROWD ACCOMPLISHED in their 1st 100 days of power?? absolutly NADDA, NOTHING, ZILCH, oh and by the way, she saw everyone but never had time to stop to see the troops, maybe she realized that wouldn't be a real good idea.

Well ya'll are probably have your dreams come true next year and when you get the likes of Hillary or some other block head I'll set back and say "TOLD YA SO"

It's about time a Democrat actually had some spine. What could have possibly come over America, to think that such a historically spineless party would actually rise to the occasion this time? Fortunately for us, there are still some mavericks like Kucinich who have not yet been silenced by their ultra-right wing masters (i.e. Hillary Clinton).

If the Republicans were like the Democrats, we'd have never gotten into any of this -- not because of wisdom, but simply because the Republicans would have pre-emptively psyched themselves out of every victory with the same defeatist attitude shown by the "liberals" commenting here.

I can't prove this, but I don't have to because this is comment post and not a court of law.

I believe that Dick Cheney was involved with the Anthrax attacks on Patrick Lehey among others and that he ordered the downing of Paul Wellstone's plane.

Remember, this guy likes torture. He might even like it in a kinky way. Maybe he gets off to people suffering.

They call these people sadists. They do exist. They do tend to seek powerful positions.

The US of A wasn't born from people incapable of taking risk, and more importantly, action in the face of wrongdoing. Assume what you want about the outcome; but is there ever a time that it's not worth it to do what is right? Justice needs to be done. Our country needs to be restored. This will only be done through action and holding those accountable that have had a hand in destroying what was once a great nation!

Typical of a scummy DLC dem operative to skewer the only real liberal in the crummy party.

"We'll see a Kucinich Administration before we'll see a Cheney impeachment," quipped one Democratic aide.

Why are the febrile effing dems so hot to dismiss impeachment for what Are high crimes and misdemeanors, from lying us into war to massive and blatant cronyism and corruption? This is not an imaginary or politically motivated impeachment, like the repugs tried to do. They had the guts to do a bogus impeachment but the dems don't have the balls to go for a real one.

What a rotten party. I quit. I'll never vote Democrat again. What a scummy, nonrepresentatie party. The Majority of Americans would now go along with impeachment, and as disaster unfolds that majority will grow.

The DEADocrats suck. And all they'll give us as a choice for the next election is procorporate globalist warmonger Hillary, or prettyboy, emptyhead Obama (I heard him speak the usual jingoism against Chavez, which showed he has No idea of what we have done in Latin America for ages, or what the real situation is.)

Funny how everyone wants to hang him high without evidence. I read everything here and found no foundation for impeachment. What are the charges? Sorry, he "Mislead" or "Lied" isn't impeachable unless the lie is under oath. You people are fun to listen to but once again no truthful reason other than you suspect him or just don't like him. It takes a lot more than that kids.

It would be awesome to see this war criminal impeached. The problem is that Cheney has already made billions from his Haliburton deals so he probably wouldn't even care if he was impeached. He's so rich he can go buy 100,000 acres in any country he wishes, like Bush has already bought land to plot his escape destination.

See above. I'm with Jim.

How many kinds of treason must this one man commit, until SOMEONE calls him out on it? Why, if "liberals" are such whimps, is it a liberal standing up, taking the old man to task?

The guy who wrote this blog response below is truly an a-h0le. No wonder the whacky left gets ZERO respect beyond its own echo-chamber in the blog-o-sphere.
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"It is too bad the shooter at VT spent all of his mojo on students and faculty.

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what kind of moronic Democratic aide would "quip" that "We'll see a Kucinich Administration before we'll see a Cheney impeachment."

Don't these people understand the crimes that Cheney has committed? How despised he is by the American people? (protests at BYU!)

Cheney certainly should be impeached, and Democrats should be rallying behind his impeachment, not cowering behind their lobbyist's losing advice.

Rick, STOP..."without evidence" tells me you are either loyal to the point of watching your constitution go up in smoke or you aren't educated enough. I'll go with the latter. Now go to this website http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/- read all the court certified evidence and then try to tell us he's innocent. It's all there in his own handwriting...

Rick - your stupidity is stunning.

Just another "non-binding" proposal

I hope this pans out. I'd like to see that evil SOB squirm.

The fact that WaPo posts this without censor is impressive-especially considering the Editor performance of the last 6 years. Did they finally realize they better tell the truth or watch the country perish until the rule of one man?

Go Dennis Go!!!

Rep. Kucinich was right FROM THE BEGINNING when he voted against the Iraq War and he is right about this also. One of the few in Congress with the insight, integrity and guts to support the laws of the Constitution. You show a lot of love for America Rep. Kucinich!! Actions like yours may restore some sense of morality to the American Govt. and begin to regain some respect overseas to America. It's simply outrageous what this admin is doing to our beloved America and to it's citizens.

They deserve not only impeachment, but a full public trial in the system they have undermined or ignored for six years. And if/when found guilty, they should be placed in prison for hard time. Let them try to spend their ill-gotten gains then!

BTW, if they run, they open themselves to being arrested and charged under international law, under which it would be much harder for them to evade serious punishment. Why do you think Bush wouldn't sign on to the war crimes act?

Seems the nation is waking up and finally rising up to the real terrorists.....

Good luck from Amsterdam

Impeach both Bush and Cheney simultaneously. That way if it works, Pelosi becomes president.

It won't work, but it will be fun trying. After all, if Specter can rail against the Patriot Act Reauthorization because it revokes the right of habeus corpus, claiming that we would be doing away with one of the rights passed on down from the magna carta, and then goes and votes for the blasted thing, well, he will never vote to convict. What a tool.

It is astounding to read some of the comments above, so many of them have nothing to do with the subject of why impeachment makes sense for Cheney and Dumbya. The obvious criminal activity of this administration should have any American upset to say the least, but no it has to be dragged down to a partisan issue.

Not only are the crimes of Cheney and Dumbya impeachablr offenses but some of their dirty deeds are clearly in violation of international law. I an not a Democrat and surly not a Neocon Republican but how anyone could support some of these Dems that have taken impeachment "off the table" is beyond me. What Clinton did was just so minor compared to what is going on, these people are tyrants and need a jail cell. I say give Cheney and Dumbya one more term - Life in prison.

maybe an article of impeachment should be about those missing e-mails which will soon turn into entire missing computers no doubt. rumour has it that one has been found in a field in wyoming. sources tell me it appears to have been destroyed with several blast fired from of all things, a shotgun! well, thats just a real crude way to attempt to hide the facts. kucinich should worry about his voting record on iraq as well. voting for an immediate withdrawal and therefore helping to diminish support for the democrats lacks any sense of pragmatism whtsoever dennis baby! so lets get real and get on to some reality, o.k.? this is why even though you got my vote last time around you won"t get it this time. we all want to get cheney and get out of iraq but we need to go after the money and deadlines and not just cut and run.cheney will hang himself and leave behind the legacy of a snarling weasel and that's o.k. with me. patience, patience, dennis.

Very smart to go after Cheney rather than Bush. Cheney control's the show and it's his willful ignorance and incompetence that is primarily responsible for the worst military fiasco in American history, as well as the pervasive corruption of the Bush administration. It won't stick, but you have to start somewhere.

Well there is quite a body of work out there spelling out the grounds for impeachment. United States v. George W. Bush et al. by Elizabeth de la Vega, a former federal prosecutor is quite compelling. Also there is The Case for Impeachment: The Legal Argument for Removing President George W. Bush from Office by Dave Lindorff. AND there is Impeach the President: The Case Against Bush and Cheney by Dennis Loo. Sooo before you Fox News viewers go off deriding the loony left for advocating impeachment you should educate yourselves. Here's a hint, you are not going to find the facts on Fox News.

"The lack of leadership by the Democratic Party makes really solidifies my Green Party affiliation.
Criminals should not be allowed to run our country.

Posted by: Robert | April 17, 2007 11:51 AM"

Well Robert, while it's nice to have ideals and convictions that draw you to the likes of the Green party, your inability to foresee the effects of a wasted vote contributed to that moron Bush getting installed as president in 2000. Thanks a lot.

I'm all for it. Kucinich is currently getting my vote.

You cant impeach bush and put cheney in charge. BUT you can impeach cheney and THEN impeach bush. cheney's arrogance will be his downfall, the information that comes out in his trial would be enough to impeach bush.

In a perfect world they would then be tried for warcrimes.

"The proposed action by Kucinich may well explain why he is near last place among even Democratic presidential candidates: political zeal not balanced by political smarts."

Dear John G:

I tend to think that your comment is somewhat ironic, considering that Kucinich bases his "zeal" on solid evidence and not feelings and rhetoric, which you classify as "political smarts," unlike his Democratic counterparts that are doing far better in the polls. It goes to show what a nice haircut, Armani suit and perfectly placed photo ops can do. Quit pandering to mainstream media and wake up to reality.

I think the one thing that everyone here has overlooked is that if both Bush and Cheney are impeached, then Pelosi takes over. I think that would be worse then letting those SOBs stay where they are until the term is over.

"....quipped one Democratic aide?" Impeachment for high crimes and misdemeanors is not a subject matter of "quips." It is deadly serious business and this aide's boss better take the pulse of his/her constituents ...I'm betting there is a lot of support for such an action. We need to get the military and intelligence and treasury out of Cheney's grimy, greedy little fingers.

Thank you, Dennis...your integrity is showing.

Finally some good news out of this Congress. I wonder how long it will be before the Congressional 'leadership' tries to pull the rug out from under DK for fear of being called nasty names.

GO DENNIS!

Excellent move, one that I hope will be fruitful. Impeachment says a lot about the character of the American people not tolerating a wrong path administration deterined to ruin our country.

Don't worry about the Republicans, 22 of them switched sides and won seats int eh House as Democrats. Hagel was the first in all Congress to suggest Bush be impeached and he is a Republican.

Go Dennis go - if this is true it will make Mr. K popular with the people and unpopular with all those guilty of ruining our counrty. On the topic of impeachment, you are either with Bush and Cheney or you are against them. I think most Americans are against them and for their removal from office.

Tivana
WashingtonFORimpeachment.org

What a dem love fest!!!
Take a pil and get over it Bush is our president and the majority put him there.
Also congress rubber stamped the war in Iraq including the dems.

And all those who support this corrupt administration should go sign up to fight this war instead of offering up other peoples' children. They have even upped the age limit so get off your lazy butts and go fight since Bush has you so scared of the terrorists. Cowards.

Rep. Kucinich will find he has more support than he could have imagined.

But why wait? Awful news of any kind should make action more immediate instead of less so. After all, more people die everyday for Cheney's and Bush's war.
To say enough death is not disrespectful; quite the contrary...Start by going after Dr. Death.

"What a dem love fest!!!
Take a pil and get over it Bush is our president and the majority put him there.
Also congress rubber stamped the war in Iraq including the dems.

Posted by: BillyB | April 17, 2007 04:52 PM "

BillyB - Go back to your beer.

Newman...Thanks for saying one of the things I wanted to go into. BRAVO!

ANYONE who puts down D.K. for this courageous and much-needed and, apparently, well thought out move needs to go to www.kucinich.us and learn a few things about this man. He is a dream come true for WE THE PEOPLE! As someone else above said, stop being a pawn to mainstream media. This man is the real deal for us REAL Americans...not the top 1% of tax-avoiding, ludicrously wealthy.

Dennis, Get the ball rolling on the bastards, and we'll sit back and see the wussies in Dem party who squirm and the ones who stand beside you.

Definitely start with Cheney, because if we impeach Bush first, then Cheney gets to be president. Even FIVE MINUTES with Dick Cheney is 10 minutes TOO LONG

Well praise the Lord and pass the peace pipe. If we now apply Darth Cheney's One Percent Doctrine to him, it'll be a cinch.

Dick Cheney believes if one percent of the details look fishy, there's probably a whale in the picture. I agree when it comes to him.

Can't come soon enough.

"Take a pil and get over it Bush is our president and the majority put him there."
Posted by: BillyB | April 17, 2007 04:52 PM

... a majority that has since dwindled to roughly 30 percent. The pill to help "get over" this nightmare of an administration starts with an 'i' and ends with an "mpeachment". What a perfect way for the country to tell Darth Cheney exactly what he told Sen. Leahy a few years ago on the floor of the U.S. Senate.

Dennis is awesome! It's about time someone in DC told the truth.

Why should Kucinich wait on taking action - even though his articles of impeachment don't have a chance in hell of being acted upon - because of the Virginia Tech massacre? It sounds like he's just looking for some much needed media attention.

xii: you mean Cheney used the F word? I'm horrified. Yeah, nail the SOB.

What will Bush, Cheney's hand puppet, do without Cheney? While Kucinich may not be the most astute politician or the most popular, sometimes even a child can see the right of an action. We need to remove the puppet master before he comes up something even bigger for Bush to do.

Finally! Go Denis!!!

There is surely much more cause (and evidence) to impeach Bush and/or Cheney than there was to impeach Clinton.
However, impeachment is really not the proper mechanism for mitigating against the damage of the Bush Administration. THere was an election in 2006 where the voters had a chance to speak and there will be another in 2008.
I suspect thre will be very few candidates asking either the outgoing VP or POTUS to campaign for them.

Thank you Dennis.

Impeachment of chaney,would be about the most stupid idea i have heard. Bush is the supposed to be president,even though we know he doe;s not run anything. cut off the head, and the tail will die.Impeach bush ,problem solved. chaney will automatically go.one impeachment is enough, if it is G.Bush. signed tip.

All Roads Lead to Dick Cheney

http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2006/02/all-roads-lead-to-dick-cheney.html

Bravo, Kucinich! Now, maybe the MSM and the pollsters will start asking the impeachment question every week!

Forget the political ramifications of this. This country needs, for a brief moment at least, to step way back beyond politics and see what has happened in the last six years. Perhaps we need a serious course-correction and perhaps, if Cheney is indeed guilty of the things most posters have written about, then this is the event that needs to happen next. No one knows the effect truth will have on the future. But I would be willing to bet that the airing out of all that has festered in the minds on both sides would be a good thing for this country. Lets do it and move on.
We've got big issues to tackle in the near future and I don't think the current administration is up to the task. If nothing else, we can show the world that we can ask the tough questions of our leaders. No red, no blue just the white truth please.

IMPEACH CHENEY FIRST, as the bumper sticker says.
The ball is already rolling all over the United States:
http://www.impeach07.org Yes, other Dems wouldn't initiate it -
they're too chicken. But if WE push for it and the media at least
get out of the way, Congress will follow (mooo!)

I saw All the President's Men again last night. We need just
a little luck and Woodward & Bernstein circa 1973 (bring back
THAT Washington Post) and the hearings, prosecutions and
resignations can be completed in a few short months.
No kidding.

Violence is cowardly. Peace takes courage.
Kucinich is a visionary with guts to spare.

You conspiracy spinners need to get back on your meds.

You folks need to stop beating the dead horse and get on with business that impacts us all. Impeachment (Cheney or Bush) is of no value to the American people. Quit trying to run up the score. It is time to quit looking back and move forward. Work for your candidate in 08 and quit living in the past. To be truthful, the biggest crime during this administration was Sandy "Burglar" stealing and destroying classified documents from the National Archive.
Bird (Las Cruces, NM)

First Rosie on 9/11, now Dennis on impeachment... it seems our "enemies" are becoming our friends.

Impeachment is neccessary or we are endorsing everything that this administration has done. Irregardless of consequences, crimes must be punished. The guilty must be prosecuted, or justice dies. Accountability has to be the word we live by. No one is above the law. The Constitution spells out the relationship of the justice department to the executive branch and warns that it must be diligent and on gaurd against corruption by the executive branch. Justice must prevail. The Vice President and the President should no longer represent the people of the United States if they are criminals.

Not enough votes in the senate.
UNLESS THIS GETS MASSIVE PUBLIC SUPPORT!
Get busy everybody.
Get the word out.
Call, email, etc.

"It is too bad the shooter at VT spent all of his mojo on students and faculty." Posted by: mmather | April 17, 2007 11:20 AM

Yeah, he should have saved some for the leftist traitors, like mmather and the rest of you morons who are ENCOURAGING THE JIHADISTS TO FIGHT HARDER.

I sympathize with the passion I read in the comments, and also believe that both should be removed from office.

Unfortunately I can't ignore that which no one has mentioned: if the goal is removal, then at the moment impeachment simply won't work.

Even with a bare majority of Americans agreeing (& thus lessening whatever backlash would come from a Senate trial in which they were acquitted, as they would be), it requires a super majority of Senate votes to remove an impeached office holder.

Go ahead, count the votes for removal in the Senate and tell me how many Republicans will vote to remove these two (or either one seperately) from office?

(Crickets chirping in the long, long, long silence.........)

G_ddammit this is funny! I can only hope that Mrs. Pelosi is stupid enough to help Lil' Dennis out and bring this to the floor! It would be the death knell for the defeatocrat party, IMHO.

Bravo, Bravo!!! Dennis! Now we must ask ourselves how we can get the rest of these gutless democrats to see what must be done now. I'm quickly becoming as angry at the dems than I ever was against the reps. How dare they not to have started holding these full-blown criminals accountable for their hideous crimes against the American people and millions of other people around the world; the Earth itself.

Liberal Scum.

I've felt for several years that the reason why democratic congressmen are only a few percentage points more popular than republicans is because the people think they should be doing more to rid our nation of cheney and bush. If Kucinich's popularity raises after he files to impeach cheney it might finally send this message to the rest of the bunch.

Here is the best basis for impeachment.

jaynine: Many who support the War on Terror and the administration ALREADY SERVED in the military, or didn't you realize that? Look at the Gathering of Eagles last month, who protected the Vietnam Memorial from leftist crazies:
http://WWW.NaturalFamilyBLOG.com

If presidential candidates were chosen for their intellect and commitment to the people of this country, Dennis Kucinich would have gotten the nomination instead of the wealthy and well-connected Kerry.

But it could turn out ok in the end if Kucinich can pull this off.

Kucinich has courage, brains, and heart to spare - he deserves our unfailing support because he's doing this for every citizen of this country.

As this US Attorney scandal is investigated more thoroughly, it will become apparent that the reason why this scandal is so scary, is the election laws and voting irregularities are at the heart of the scandal. One of the reasons the firings happened right after the Nov election was that the GOP doesn't want to lose another eletction. My analysis leads me to believe that both the 2000 and the 2004 election were rigged to give Bush et al the win. They didn't rig the last election enough. The rethuglicans never understood just how much they were going to lose by. they estimated 7 to 10%. Never dreamed they were goimg to lose by such big margins and the rigging couldn't make up for that much of a difference. Just check the exit polls and the actual numbers. As usual, they don't match up like they always did before the Bush people and their corrupt voting machines were in place.
We have this one window of opportunity to get rid of these crooks. We may never have another as these crooks are in the process of consolidating power and stacking the courts and the US Attorneys and the media and the Army and the Blackwell mercinary army. Impeach Cheney and Bush and indict Rove and the others.

I'll bet some of you hippies will go crazy next year when a conservative GOP ex-senator named Fred Thompson is elected president. Eight years of a real conservative like Reagan might be enough to bring this country back to where it was when I was growing up.

....."But Kucinich shouldn't hold his breath on getting anywhere with his impeachment plan. "We'll see a Kucinich Administration before we'll see a Cheney impeachment," quipped one Democratic aide."....

The new dynamics of NH politics are not well known outside of local activist circles, but I can assure you that we are laughing at the uninformed media coronations of the "Big Three" Dems. Watch & learn, grasshopper.

I'm all for giving the VP a fair trail, and then hanging the ***.

This may not have the backing of the House and Senate. It may not even have the backing of the many spineless Democrats, but it's the right thing to do.

About time.

"Peachy" writes: "Impeach! Yes democrats, go right ahead and spend the next two years focusing on that, assuring another win for the Republicans."

You mean, like removing Nixon insured a win for the RepugniCONs in '76?

Exposing the lies and criminality of the Bush/Cheney Gang is going to ensure the election of a RepugniCON in '08? Sorry, not buying it.

Impeachment proceedings -- even if unsuccessful -- would drag the full depravity of this maladministration into the light of the day. It's the RepugniCONs' worst nightmare. So save your "helpful" advice, okay?

Impeachment trial first, war crimes trial second, treason trial third.

It is quite amazing to read the vitriol and hatred from the wacky leftist that dominate this site. You people need to get a life or maybe read the Constitution, maybe Article 2.

By your standards Franklin Delano Roosevelt would not be considered the greatest President of this century, but a disgraced man that was impeached and driven from office. What Roosevelt did to civil liberties in the name of national security makes George Bush look like a Girl Scout. If any historical precedent was considered at all in judging Bush's actions versus the actions of other President's, particularly Lincoln and Roosevelt, this President would walk away completely unscathed.

Secondly, you little whining morons have claimed for years Bush "lied" about Weapons of Mass Destruction. When Bob Woodward's book came out and described George Tenet telling the President the WMD's in Iraq were a "slam dunk" you simply ignored it. When you read a transcript or heard an audio clip of almost every Democrat leader in the House and Senate saying the exact same things about Hussein and Iraq as Bush did you ignored that too. Since you people really know the truth there is only one conclusion; It is you people that are liars and scoundrels and if you can hide the truth or distort the facts to get your way you are quite willing to do so.

You people are truly pathetic.

By pardoning Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford lost the support of American voters and greatly increased general apathy and cynicism regarding accountability in government. Now, having reached the point where Americans see glaring evidence of the most corrupt administration since the age of robber barons, citizens simply will not take it any more. Now, even as a retired, life-long Republican, I am one of them. I have absolutely had it.

It is painfully evident that the highest levels of my party and American democracy itself are being hijacked by corrupt ideologues funded by corrupt corporations and religious groups. At long last "We The People" are uniting to face this real and present danger, arming ourselves with facts, and acting decisively to take back American democracy. We will impeach Bush and Cheney and prosecute to the full extent of the law those who have defrauded, deceived and stolen from us. Once again we citizens have learned, at enormous cost to coming generations, to keep personally involved in the responsibilities of American democracy.

Recently, in a Middlebury VT town meeting led by Gov. Douglas himself, citizens passed a resolution to impeach George W. Bush and Dick Cheney. A Putney VT, vote to impeach was unanimous. More than 36 towns passed similar resolutions and it's happening all over America. These are inspiring examples of citizens uniting to take back their government and to re-affirm Constitutional accountability, equal justice and equal protection under the law. What a great time to be an American!

"BIRD" writes: "It is time to quit looking back and move forward."

Yes, no doubt all you RepugniCONs would like us to overlook the crimes of the Bush/Cheney Gang and act as if the past six years never happened. "Move along, folks -- nothing to see here."

But guess what -- we're not in a mood to oblige you. We will "move forward" when and how we damn well please, thank you.

Dennis Kucinich - a true patriot!! Thank you , Dennis!!

"Rick" writes: "Funny how everyone wants to hang him high without evidence."

By no means -- have a thorough investigation first. That's what holding hearings and a debate over an impeachment resolution will accomplish.

Evidence first, THEN hang him.

Might as well do Bush AND Cheney at the same time. They are both criminals.

While this is long overdue, and is on target, our Congress does not have the integrity to back it up.

The best that could be hoped for is that nations all over the world will take out warrants for Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice and many others as war criminals, and if and when they should enter any of those countries, they be arrested and charged and tried in the World Court.

You don't have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

McFarling: It is statements like yours that will consign the RepugniCON Party to the dustbin of history -- deservedly so.

There is absolutely no comparison between the REAL wars FDR and Lincoln had to fight and the trumped-up, phony war manufactured by the Bush/Cheney Gang for their own aggrandizement.

BTW it's amusing to hear you call us "whackos" when your great president enjoys the support of only 30 percent of the country. Sure must be a lotta "whackos" out there.

It's clear from reading the comments here that the Bush/Cheney dead-enders have learned absolutely nothing from the 2006 elections or what has followed.

You have been MARGINALIZED, ladies and gentlemen.

Dick Cheney will be impeached in one for or another. Rep. (D) Dennis Kucinich is on the right track with an open letter and invitation of impeachment. America, along with the world, is truly fed up with the present installed regime in America today. The killings at Virginia Tech are just the tip of the iceburg, as to how this administration of illegally installed individuals have destroyed the very fibre of a once free society. Money and greed are not the answer.....

Reagan should have been impeached for the Iran contra scandal. The failure to remove him from office set a precedent which has enabled the Bush/Cheney cabal to literally "get away with murder". We can thank Reagan for the disatrous foreign policy generations to follow will be paying the price for in every conceivable way. The rest of us pay the price for American stupidity.

Kucinich is on the right track. Impeachment resolutions and investigations were drafted long ago documenting the crimes and felonies of both men. To date Congress is complicit in the holocaust they have created in Iraq which makes how Hitler managed his genocide in Nazi Germany more understandable.

That Nancy Pelosi has glibly dismissed impeachment for having better things to do with her time is a direct assault on her constituents as well as failure to uphold the oath under which she assumed her office. She has a moral duty to uphold the Constitution which she is miserably failing to do. Her counterparts follow suit.

Today Kucinich is the only Democratic candidate worth spending time on. If we fail to impeach, however, 2008 will be another coup and our democracy will then be as good as dead.

What is most amazing is that so many Americans insist upon remaining in a state of absolute denial to the truth of what is happening around them. Is there any wonder that atrocities like Virginia Tech happen on our soil when Americans are reared on Star Wars, nintendo games, and "shock and awe"?

We have razed the country of Iraq and created a holocaust equally as evil as Hitler's for all of ten years worth of oil. Hundreds of thousands of people murdered so Americans can hit the highway in behemouth SUVs? This isn't the American Dream -- it's the American Nightmare.

Meanwhile, as Bush has indebted us to China for trillions upon trillions of dollars, that country develops the most sophisticated technology in the world to assure their own sustainability while in the bat of an eyelash they could bankrupt the USA. All for oil and corporate greed.

The USA has been sold down the river, lock, stock and barrel.

Oh, yes, another 8 years of a Conservative like Reagan is just what America needs right now. Another actor for president. And another chimp.

Much as it might briefly feel good, we can't impeach Cheney first. Then Bush could appoint a VP who might actually be an attractive candidate in 2008 and then wouldn't we all feel foolish. No, either impeach both or neither.

there is no way he or any lib will get anywhere with that crap all you libs are just sore losers

Help Kucinich to Impeach Bush

Kucinich says he's ALSO pursuing impeachment of Bush. Well let's help him out. Sacks and sacks of mail are about to arrive in Dennis Kucinich's office initiating impeachment via the House of Representative's own rules. This legal document is as binding as if a State or if the House itself passed the impeachment resolution (H.R. 635).

Kucinich says he is building his case for impeachment, and is working to build the support of his peers in Congress. He says he intends to impeach. He said he needs us to keep building the groundswell of support for impeachment all over the country. He asks that we send him copies of all the resolutions passed in various States, local Legislative Districts, County Districts and of any petitions with signatures, so that he can present them to the floor of the House. He said he felt that our framing the issue of impeachment in terms of the Constitution is a principled choice, and ultimately more effective than just acting on anger. Here's video of Kucinich addressing the impeachment issue:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAIJyKhJhiM

Let's answer Kucinich's call with a petition that has it's precedent in history, and it's legitimacy in the Rules of the House of Representatives.

There's a little known and rarely used clause of the "Jefferson Manual" in the rules for the House of Representatives which sets forth the various ways in which a president can be impeached. Only the House Judiciary Committee puts together the Articles of Impeachment, but before that happens, someone has to initiate the process.

That's where we come in. In addition to a House Resolution (635), or the State-by-State method, one of the ways to get impeachment going is for individual citizens like you and me to submit a memorial. ImpeachforPeace.org has created a new memorial based on one which was successful in impeaching a federal official in the past. You can find it on their website as a PDF.

You can initiate the impeachment process and simultaneously help Kucinich to follow through with the process. Do-It-Yourself by downloading the memorial, filling in the relevant information (your name, state, etc.), and sending it in. We're not only having you send them to Dennis now, but also to Impeach for Peace. That way, we can collect them all in one place, and deliver them all simultaneously (with cameras rolling) in July. Be a part of history.

http://ImpeachForPeace.org/ImpeachNow.html

Begin the impeachment hearings with Cheney first ... and leave time for the trial for treason

Business before pleasure ... first Cheney, then Bush

You people are truly pathetic.

Posted by: Charles McFarling | April 17, 2007 06:04 PM
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Charles, The majority of Americans support the impeachment of both Bush and Cheney. Why do you hate America? Why aren't you defending the Constitution as vigorously as you're defending Bush/Cheney. Stop putting party loyalty ahead of the country.

I am so sick and tired of hearing , " oh ," we can't do that " or " its a non starter " or other such crap . If this crowd hasn't reached the level of impeachment then they might as well strike the articles from the constitution because apparently no crime can reach the level required .

Virginia Patriot, Patrick Henry once stated:"For my part, whatever anquish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and provide for it." There is compelling and conclusive evidence that the tragedy of 9-11-01 was a false-flag, "inside-job"operation (engineered and covered-up by the Bush/Cheney administration). This heinous crime has been used by this law-breaking and sadistic regime to "justify" all their other illegal, immoral, callous, and depraved atrocities. This "treason" on 9-11 must be placed at the top of the list of impeachable offenses of Bush and Cheney. Only by addressing this most grave and important issue can we truly restore decency, integrity, and goodness to what was once a Constitutional Republic.

REPUBLICAN VOCABULARY
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Impeachment = The House believes Bush is peachy.
Conviction = The Senate believes Bush is a man of convictions
Being Hanged for treason = Suspension of disbelief

Dennis is the only one that has the guts to tell the truth. No, his chances of becoming Preisdent are slim, but his is a very important voice in the Congress...Anyone who goes after Cheney is ok in my book!

Reading the stupidity posted here never fails to bring a laugh and brighten my day.

((((MUHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahaha!))))

What world do you guys live in? THIS ISN'T A DEMOCRACY!!! (and to you other whiners out there, no it's not a republic either).

More than half of the thirteen colonies were FOUNDED by Corporations! Unelected rich, property owning, slave 'owning' white males came up with a business model that would work for THEM. And it has.

If this were a democracy, Congress would have had some spine in 2003, when EVERY Congressmember had calls in a landslide AGAINST the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq.

So to think that "Congress" might actually represent us NOW (why, because of Pelosi and the "Demcorats"?) flies in the face of all evidence and common sense, and means that you are in DENIAL!

The 2006 "election" was no more legitimate than the ones in 2000 and 2004. Oh yeah, and all the ones before that! Remember ballot box stuffing, dead people voting, poll taxes and literacy tests, LBJ almost challenging Kennedy in '60? Oops, sorry, that's no longer valid because it's "old news"!

And as for Kucinich?! I almost fell for his scam in 2004, with all his talk about ending the wars, unions, withdrawing from NAFTA, and blah blah blah. But he is in the position he's in for a reason - in order to succeed in politics, it's often neccessary to rise above your principles. When push came to shove, he could've gone independent and had a real platform for serious topics in the campaign, but he bent over for the "Democratic" party so he could play nice in DC and have another go round in 2008.

WAKE UP AND SMELL THE FASCISM!

This is not a democracy, so start acting accordingly!

With Dick's approval rating hovering around 18 % , I think there is going to be WAY more support out there for impeachment than this article suggests. Cheney is borderline delusional and I don't think it is good for the country to just "wait out" Bush's time in office. A lot of nasty stuff can happen in the next 18 months.

It would be really interesting if WaPo and the other big polls started asking the public if they are for it.

Unfortunately - this a a big PIE in the SKY. NEVER happen!!!!!

You people are a bunch of hard core socialists. The nation needs to be sundered because I hate you as much as you hate Repblicans. Either that, or get ready to rumble.

I think I'll send Kucinich another $50.00. At least he is doing something. If the 51% that hate Bush's guts did that, we would have a kucinich administration and a better world.

Unfortunately, money equals votes in America and the Zionist are giving our money to the republicans to get us to fight Israels wars.

Fight back!

You guys are so funny...Impeaching the Veep...Hoooo HooooHahaha...How about citing a specific example of a law that was broken and back it up with PROOF?

Oh, I forgot facts don't mean a thing to left wing extremists...

Some of these comments by the left wing marxists are funny. Conspiracy everywhere. Dennis the Menence put Cleveland into Bankruptcy in the '70s and given a chance he would do it to the USA also.

Let's see - Democrats in Congress want what?

Oh, Pelosi as POTUS and who? Murtha for VP -

Then we could have a major battle on where we should move the Capitol - Pelosi will want to follow the yellow brick road to peace all the way to Tehran, and Murtha will want the Capitol to be re-deployed to Okinawa.

This ranks right along with - Al Gore is the one who plotted 9/11 - to get back at Bush.

Would this make Nancy Pelosi VP?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l11sB4cLHM

Impeachment should not be a political tool. Impeachment should not even be a choice. If someone is percieved as doing something impeachable, then they should be investigated and should be impeached if the investigations warrants it. It is our representatives' duty to impeach if the evidence is there.

Whatever happened to diplomacy and negotiation?

Republicans are either evil or stupid. You can tell which one by how much money they make.

Hey Charles, I guess you missed that news about George Tenet saying that he NEVER said "slam dunk". Perhaps if Cheney wasn't over at the CIA brow-beating intelligence officers into buying his paranoid worldview they would have been better able to voice the dissent that existed within the agency concerning those "WMD" in Iraq. What will it take for you rabid Republicans to take a clear-eyed, honest look at this band of incompetent losers and killers that you still manage to support?

I'm proud to be a "crazy" liberal. We read newspapers, and books for that matter.

A steady diet of Fox News and OxyRush Limbaugh will make you fat, stupid and terrified. The perfect Republican audience.
People like you would rather target liberals as Public Enemy Number One than focus on your own corrupt leaders.

If Clinton had gotten us mired down in a War of Choice in Iraq with over 3300 coming home in body bags I dare say, Charles, that you would have been calling for him to be thrown out of office as well. Show a little intellectual honestly at the very least. If it is only "liberal scum" like me that are fed up with Bush then I am surprised because then it would be 66% of America that has suddenly morphed into a bunch of "pinko-hippie commies'. Give it up already.

I guess the Democrats/Socialists haven't authorized the issue of "smart pills" with the grape KoolAid to their mentally stunted minions....

IMPEACH CHANEY,,,IMPEACH Mr.CHANEY,,,IMPEACH VICE-PRESIDENT CHANEY,,,IMPEACH HIDDEN PRESIDENT CHANEY............................................................Charles Belenchia

Say the word impeachment and the Air America crowd runs to the idea like starving wolves to a moose carcass. Go ahead, try it. Gutless if you don't. Oh I forgot, courage isn't your strong suit, is it?

As far as grounds for impeachment, consider this. Cheney caused information relating to the national defense (the identity of Valerie Plame and her company, Brewster Jennings, as an asset of the CIA) to be transmitted to a foreign power (published in the NY Times) to the advantage of the foreign power or the disadvantage of the United States (blowing our counter-proliferation intelligence gathering apparatus). This is conduct covered under the 1917 Espionage Act.
And Cheney is the one who received the information from the CIA, according to testimony in the Libby trial. It was incumbent on him to safeguard it. Libby and Armitage never had a "Need to Know" and should not have been able to leak it to the press.
Cheney is guilty of Espionage. Why is that so hard to accept?

Cleveland was bankrupted during Kucinich's term as mayor because the banks and Cleveland City Council refused to act in the interests of the people of Cleveland. Kucinich was later vindicated for his tough, principled stance, which is why he's been Cleveland's Rep to the US House for the last dozen years. Read up on how Kucinich saved Cleveland MUNY from the corporations 30 years ago, and in the process saved Cleveland residents tens, if not hundreds, of millions of dollars on there electricity bills.

Kucinich may not be as smooth as The Fonz, but he is a true hero and deserves our support.

Well, it's obvious that the vast majority of washington post readers and not big Bush fan's. Before I get attacked for that comment let me assure you that there are still some out there. Anyway, everyone is pretending like it's a good idea, and that it even has a chance. Fortunately for Cheney it is neither.
It isn't a good idea because he isn't a mass murderer. Whether or not you like the war, a president has a constitutional ability to deploy troops, regardless of whether or not the opposing party believes the war is justified. He also can't be held responsible for said lives. It's absolutely ridiculous. Impeachment as stated in the article has to do with breaking the law, not how power hungry the opposing party is. Since the laws have not been broken, it won't get very far. The reason Clinton was impeached was not because he turned the republicans didn't like him, but because he lied under oath.
Second, because he has never committed a crime, it won't succeed even if they did decide to impeach him. By the way, it sounds like noone whose posted knows anything about impeachment. If you are impeached you are put on trial. So even if he was impeached he would walk away guiltless and it wouldn't affect him. Remember Clinton was impeached, but not kicked out of office.
I'm a little surprised at the ignorance of people who apparently read the politics section of the paper.

Cheney is just plain evil.

Can him!

American realists know following legal procedures and impeaching criminals is a waste of time. Patriotic realists wage war and kill their opponents. Most Americans are too ignorant, inarticulate and brutal to employ subtlety or diplomacy. Violence and brutality is part of the American psyche, the American way of dealing with conflict. Don't bother feeble resort to law and democratic principles. Be real Americans. Give the world the dictatorship or civil war that is in your nature.

Reading the bile-filled tripe that passes for intellectual liberalism on this page has been the highlight of my day. Kucinich's effort to impeach Cheney has a snow-ball's chance in hell of seeing any action, he is merely grandstanding to keep some money coming in for hisw floundering campaign. I do have to admire him for calling out the other candidates who refused to debate on FOX though.

If Clinton did 1/100th of what Cheney has done, he not only would have been impeached many times over but possibly have met the same fate as JFK.

The gross majority of these comments indicate that there is more lunacy here on earth than on the Lunar surface. The calls for impeachment and the great repository of provable evidence for a guilty verdict in an empeachment have been the hew and cry of the losers since December 2000. Six years od idle threats. Six years of nothing. Six years of the epitomy of the Colonel Bogey March, except now it is the Democrats not the Germans.

Clinton got impeached for a lie in a deposition for a civil case. gee i wonder if cheney and bush telling lies to congress is as bad an offence. And as far as saying kacenich is the most lieral,,,,lol ,,,you gotta be kiddin me, i can name at least twenty that are way more liberal...funny how the tite of "most liberal" keeps changing

An explanation of Mr. Cheney's mysterious reaction to the 'young man': Per Norman Mineta's testimony to Lee Hamilton. Vice Chairman of the "National Commission on 911 Attacks", should be sought.
See the excerpt on U Tube; http://www.com/watch?V=bDfdOwty3y.
where Mr Mineta (Transportation Secretary) refers to overhearing the 'young man' coming into the meeting and reporting on several occasions to Mr. Cheney; incoming, at various distances from the Pentagon and Mr. Cheney's reaction thereto. Then something hit the Pentagon.
Best of luck Mr. Kucinich!.
MA.

impeach the both of 'em.
cheney first.
that's right people, itmfa.
bring our kids home.
(yes, the mercenaries too)
leading through peace takes practice
but
is very worth it

Doesn't there come a time when, regardless of the chance for success, that one must do the right thing simply because it is the right thing to do?

These corrupt people are never going to be removed from the executive, senate, house, judicial, cia, nsa, dhs, and all the other crony positions nor is the war in Iraq going to be stopped until the corporate mainstream media starts to publicize the FACTS about how electronic voting machine failures, and hacking and cracking, have essentially removed legal US Citizens Constitutional right to vote. If you can not count the vote, you can not validate the vote, and if you can not validate the vote then you have lost your right to vote.

Only then can the Constitution be restored?

But, instead, we shall be bombarded by the forth estate's noise garbage propaganda on Shawn Bonea Ramesy, Paris Hilton, Brittney Spears, Anna Nicole Smith.. the baby..the lawsuit..the money, and about a zillion other worthless stories that have nothing to do with national security.

Look people, this administration don't take security seriously, or they'd have the ports guarded, the shipping containers checked, The EMERGENCY ALERT SYSTEM should be used for things like the Virginia Tech emergency!!! Was it?!

It's time to take the airwaves back from the Bush Crony FCC appointee, put technicians in charge of choices about power and frequency. These people don't care about American's safety.

But no, instead, what you'll hear is more gun control again. It's already started again.

This war in Iraq ain't gonna stop. The American people can not stop it.

It's like Democrats and Republicans are both the same.

Our CIA and NSA and DOD need a security clearance overhaul. Background check all the people working for these agencies, enforced removal by our military (Who swore an oath to protect the constitution), somebody screwed the pooch on that one too eh?

It's time for the SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM to be turned within, and oust the corruption before this whole planet is unlivable!

But no, well just listen to the same old noise from the fourth estate, American Idol, 24, Bob Barker, Jeopardy, Wheel Of Fortune.

We should be working on TECHNOLOGY, SCIENCE, ART. A cure for West Nile Virus in humans, could resonant frequency work?

Instead we are making microwave pain inflict-ors for protesters. Not throwing corrupt Secretary Of States and EVM manufacturers in jail for life for all the felonies they committed against the USA!

Let's not forget the Military and the Veterans. It's high time for a DRAFT if we really want to have global security.

Na, well just have a photo op for the (unelected by the people) elected by the Judicial president of the United States OATH OF OFFICE BREAKER!

I hope some really nasty stuff happens to these people.
I hope they find theirselves in so much legal trouble like they never could imagine. I want BAD (tm) things to happen to them. They've made bad things happen to us.

And all you gun control people, go climb back under a rock. gun control ain't going to make the US any safer, putting more red tape on legal gun owners isn't going to stop sick individuals from obtaining weapons and doing bad stuff, but what it will do is help to further destroy the constitution, and make it so that the government can do anything it wants to us.

Oh wait. They're already doing that pretty much now.

It's the last hope.

You have a JURY BOX, a BALLOT BOX, and an AMMO BOX. The ballot box is rigged, the jury box is rigged. WHAT IS LEFT?

"We will see a Kunicich Administration before we see an impeachment" that shows you what the rest of the Democrats are worth.

Cant we impeach Cheyney for lying to the public and congress? Or have we grown so blasse that we expect lying to part of our government? Cant we impeach him for starting a war under false pretenses? Outing a covert CIA agent and busting a cover company that cost the taxpayers plenty to set up?

Do we have to wait to catch him doing something really bad?

I think that Bush and Cheney should be impeached for many reasons but lying us into war and killing probably a million people before thaey leave office is reason enough. We wouldn't get the senate votes to remove them from office but the impeachment stain would live on in history as a stain on the Bush administration. I don't think that these criminals should get away scott free and the history just be rewritten to make them seem like good guys.

SLKirish,

it isn't VOTER FRAUD.

it's ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINE FRAUD!

please make a note of it.

Cheney sweeps all the elegibilty qualifiers:
"treason, bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."
Indictment and Incarceration should be the next steps.

Ok...that's it...all those who wrote about impeachment report to you local city square with a sign around your neck stating " I am an IGNORANT TWIT!)

It's heartning to realize just how many nut jobs there are out there. After reading these comments, I'm not sure there's any hope for this country at all. Most of you guys are in another orbit.

As much as he deserves it, Cheney should not be impeached. It won't achieve any useful purpose, and will only solidify Republican support for the Bush administration

Why impeach? Because we owe it to history.

There hasn't been a MORE corrupt administration in our nation's history, and that's saying something. Nixon, feh, he was a PIKER compared to this crowd. As another poster said, criminals shouldn't be allowed to run our country.

You can impeach them but they don't have to resign.

Impeach - prosecute - incarcerate

What is so funny are all the apologists for Dumbya and Cheney. These most likely are the same people that drooled with their retarded enjoyment over the impeachment of Clinton for lying about blow jobs. What this administration has done is beyond anything Clinton did, that was all fantasies about some 20 year old real estate deal and lying about sex. The sophomoric investigations of Clinton in the nineties are still used to slander him by the same drooling wingnuts posting here but truly criminal actions by our President are just overlooked because the Dems are just chapped about elections being stolen in 2000 and 2004. I say only one thing to those that defend these criminals, GO CHENEY YOURSELVES!!

I would think mass murder to be reason for much more than impeachment.

'Political smarts' gets us crap -- 'political smarts' is far overrated.

Look around you: Is there any other reason than 'Political smarts' that a person of the sort of George W Bush is a two term president?

It should be a crime to occupy a foreign nation simply because it seemed possible due to not having nuclear weapons, having no allies, and having a great strategic military location and considerable oil and water natural resources.

America is well ready for a return to liberty, justice, and war for defensive reasons only.

A return to the Constitution via the Constitutional remedy of impeachment for crimes committed against the public for which it stands is the correct place to begin to get back on the track of principles and true liberty so carefully engineered at great personal risk by Washingon, Jefferson, Madison and the unremembered patriots of their time.

wow, sour grapes still because you all could not win an election...

let it go people, let it go...

I don't support Kucinich for President but I do support his moves to impeach Cheney and wish him the best of luck in his endeavors.

Kucinich is right to do this, and politically it will show Americans whether the leading Democratic candidates are willing to do the right thing or too morally weak to set aside their ambitions for the sake of their country.

This Bush/Cheney administration has put America in such a deep hole morally, militarily, financially and politically that the only solution is to act now to stop the hemorrhaging of all that is left of America's health and pride.

The magnitude of this problem dwarfs any single Democratic administration. Repairing the damage from this Republican criminal crusade will take generations of honest government, if recovery is even possible. Is Dennis Kucinich the only Democrat to see how bad the situation has gotten?

Kucinich has little chance to become president, but he is quite correct to challenge his fellow Democrats to show some moral courage. Richard Cheney needs to be impeached, and after him, Bush. If Clinton, Edwards and Obama think they won't be judged by their bases on this issue, they've got a big surprise coming.

Unless we impeach them or do away with them in some other way, we will be held accountable for their offenses at home and out in the world. All their condoned tortures, their kidnappings, their illegal imprisonments, their wars of aggression, their assult on human rights and human dignity, all war wounded, all the war dead will be laid on our doorstep. And just like history asked of the German people in 1945, it will be asked of us: why didn't someone do something to stop them?

Thank you, Dennis Kucinich. Just this afternoon I was chanting to myself: Impeach, impeach, impeach! But in this instance, I was responding to recountings of the president's shenanigans. Who will file Articles of Impeachment on the President?

My guess is that most of you who are complaining about the V.P. have not ever ventured out of the the U.S. It is people like him and others that let you whine about being in the greatest country on the planet. Typical liberals...

Most folks don't realize that the choice in vice president for a presidential candidate is assassination/impeachment insurance. This is the case with Cheney. Impeaching him in my mind would be wonderful - we would take a stab at the neo-cons and all their BS, send them a message, but without actually putting somebody up on the throne who would make matters worse (which would be the case if Bush were impeached).

Frankly, I'm excited about this, and I'm also excited to see how the war crimes trials will go for these two assuming there are no impeachments. Abu Gharib and Club Gitmo need to be addressed and justice needs to be served.

Better late than never. I applaud this effort but I believe the Israel Lobby (AIPAC) will do all they can to squash it.
The whole Bush Adm. is like a full toilet, let the flushing begin, then start on AIPAC influence.

Posted by: Dennis | April 17, 2007 09:01 PM
????????? What!!! Cheney and Dumbya let us speak out about their tyranny? If they could stop us they would, they've come close but it is just going to far and they know it. The whiners right now are the wingnuts not the patriots that make up the 70% to 75% that don't approve of the tyranny of these chumps. Just like the fantasy that the troops are fighting for our freedom you say Dumbya and Cheney are allowing us to have free speech, LOL, it sounds like you need a simple civics lesson.

Dennis, the neo-conservatives have nothing to do with free speech. In fact, if anything, they've been the strongest advocates against it. The Bill of Rights means nothing to the neo-cons. The Patriot Act and the Military Commissions Act of 2006 are the two prime examples of the Bush regime's removal of our constitutional liberties, and it doesn't stop there. Free speech? At least when a liberal touts it, you know he knows what he's talking about...

Posted by: Ray | April 17, 2007 09:13 PM

Unfortunately AIPAC has major influence with the Dems and that is why impeachment is "off the table" as Pelosi says.

Dennis, haven't you noticed Bush wiping his ass with the Bill of Rights for many years now?? WTF are you drooling about?

THERE IS NO FREE SPEECH UNLESS YOU HAVE ANONYMITY.

And with the patriot act, we all know where that went.

Without anonymity there is no free speech.

Since the patriot act we all know where the
1,2,3,4,5,6,7 amendments went.

Do not be tricked into believing that a simple willingness for war is the measure of patriotism in America.

Every official and military member of the United States of American has sworn an oath.

What was it exactly, that the person swore to protect in this oath?

Each person swore to protect one thing:

The Constitution of the United States.

What is the Constitution?

It is the law of the land. It is every Amendment. It is the Bill of Rights.

The measure of American patriotism is the degree to which the American who has sworn an oath lives up to it by demonstrating unwavering defense of the Constitution by all the means afforded by his office, whether pen, or rifle.

How long must a list of violations and damages to the Constitution become, at the hands of a man sworn to protect it, before we impeach such a man?

Why would impeachment not be due at the man's first damage to the Constitution he has sworn to protect?

Actually I am a veteran, and I swore an oath to protect the constitution of the united states and the president against all enemies foreign and domestic.

There's the catch 22.

Getting rid of these electronic voting machines is the ONLY WAY WE CAN FIX THIS

In recent history, a vice president was driven from office and into prison, but I don't think it was by impeachment. President Richard Nixon's vice president Spiro Agnew was driven out of office and into, I think, a Maryland state prison cell on income tax charges. Prior to Nixon's resignation, Nixon appointed and had confirmed by the Senate Gerald Ford to succeed Spiro Agnew as vice president. When Nixon resigned to avoid being impeached over Watergate, Gerald Ford become president and (here's some political trivia for you), Nelson Rockefeller was appointed and confirmed as vice president. Both Ford and Rockefeller served until the next election when Jimmy Carter and Walter Mondale took over the administration. So, for a few years in recent history, both the president (Ford) and the vice president (Rockefeller) were appointed and not elected officals.

I'm originally from Cleveland and remember when Kucinich was elected mayor of Cleveland and his administration drove the City of Cleveland into financial default. The night Kucinich was elected mayor, I remember him showing up at the ABC affliate studios in Cleveland, WEWS Channel 5. There on the air, long-time Cleveland broadcaster and political commentator Dorothy Fuldhiem looked at him and said "This is a fairy tale!". I think in the next few years the fairy tale turned into a nightmare for the City of Cleveland.

Kucinich was succeeded by election by George Voinavich as mayor who later become both Govenor of Ohio and later a US Senator from Ohio. Voinavich brought Cleveland back on track and help spur a great revitalization of the city that was once called "The worst location in the nation" and "The mistake on the lake". I no longer live near Cleveland but the city is far different and improved compared to those dark old days with Kucinich as mayor.

Even though Kucinich is at times a far-left flake, he is colorful and somewhat likeable to some extent. However, he should have stayed in his job as an ethnic westside Cleveland city councilman and not try to move on to higher office, especially his current ambitions for the US presidency. I think I heard at one time everyone is eventually promoted to the level of their incompentancy. I think that explains the present administration in the White House.

Having read a number of the comments re the above issue, is there any wonder this country is going to hell in a hand basket? I do not understand the unbelievably stupid comments that have been made by people who claim to be educated, knowledgeable,loyal & patriotic Americans.They should thank God that they live in the U.S.,otherwise they would have been shot after having been given a "fair trial"!!!

Thank you to Dennis Kucinich for once again showing that he is the one Democratic leader who is willing to do what the people want. More than 3000 Americans have died for a lie, and the families of the servicemen and servicewomen deserve justice. They deserve to have Bush and Cheney impeached, removed, tried and locked away if convicted.

For years, the American people have called out for the impeachment of those responsible for this illegal war. Dennis Kucinich has the courage, integrity and honesty to do the right thing. In introducing articles against Dick Cheney, he is proving that he has the ability to make the tough decisions required of a real leader. He has my vote for President.

Andy Banyas,
What would you have us do?
Just shut up and take it?
Have you served your country?

If Cheney's not impeached, the DEMs against it go, too.

How will we ever know "...if it will stick" if no-one ever tries it. As an ex-Republican I applaud Congressman Kucinich's actions.

If the traditional Republican's had any sense and morals at all, they would trash Cheney/Bush now, less the party surrender all chances in 2008.

Finally, a democrat who stands up for something thar should have been done a long time ago. It would be good if cheny got booted. After all, these two knuckleheads are going to go down as one of the worst administrations in the History of the United States.

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God."

Source: http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Oath_Office.htm

Check this part again:

"...without any ... purpose of evasion."

Remember the millions of WH emails that the press secretary admitted to?

Is the massive WH email destruction not a violation of the oath of office all on its own, now that you have seen the oath yourself?

according to a recent media report,Sandy Berger destroyed documents from the US Archive and should be tried! he covered up the Clinton administrations "8 years of incompetance" that brought us to 9/11 and the loss of over 3,000 innocent Americans. now that's real treason!

What a bunch of whiney, ignorant, radical left wing idiot Democrats!!! Get a grip or better yet, get out of the country! Liberalism is a disease of the mind and all these rants prove it. You people need counseling baaaaad.

It's a damn smart move. I'd bet 98% of Kucinich supporters (or more) already favor impeachment; he has nowhere to go but up.

What? Kucinich is out to lunch. Another tactic these politicians use to get us from focusing on things that might actually matter in our lives. Doesn't matter both parties are screwing us. Going along with this Kook and his kind is just another step down the road to the slippery slope pols set us up on!

Kucinich isn't the only one who wants to introduce impeachment resolutions.

State legislatures in California, Hawaii, Illinois, Minnesota, Missouri, New Mexico, Washington, Wisconsin and Vermont have introduced and have pending impeachment resolutions against Bush.

Arizona, Colorado, Connecticut, Georgia, Iowa, Kansas, Maine, Massachusetts, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island and West Virginia are considering introducing impeachment resolutions

I don't know if this was mentioned above, but if Cheney is impeached first, Bush's nomination for a replacement is subject to confirmation by both houses of Congress.

Go Dennis. Do what you have got to do. For those who think you can't win. ...Just remind them how many times you've been elected in Ohio. Short ,no charisma? Sorry to the people who can only elect an actor(Reagan,) or a cheerleader(Bush.) Can we elect a person who can form an intelligent sentence? It is high time to say no more to war criminals in the White House. We blew it when we let Reagan get away with the Iran Contra thing. Then we blew it again when we let George HW Bush get away with the invasion of Panama. Then we let Clinton get away with Kosovo. Now are we going to let little George get away with two wars???The only whackos today are the ones who still say that George didn't lie us into war. People who were informed before the Iraq invasion knew that it was a lie. I shouted at the tv when Powell brought up the aluminum tubes. It had already been debunked . But truth simply didn't matter to these warmongers It didn't get the press it deserved because the so-called liberal media had become the lap dog of the war profiteering corporate plutocracy, and only spouted the goverments propaganda. Curious minds sought information from other sources. We Knew. Really it is time not for impeachment but for a war crimes tribunal. Indict, Convict and Hang them all. Slap the cuffs on them now.

I am so glad that someone has the nerve to
possibly impeach the worst and most evil
vice president n the history of this country. This man has proven to be a liar, a crook, and someone who will do anything to help the rich and powerful take over this country,the world and its assets. He never has done anything for the poor or middle classes and needs to be stopped. Then he can be remembered in history with his buddies HITLER, OSAMA BIN LADEN, STALIN ETC.. This administrations policies have killed as many people as anyone in recent history.

it's certainly long past time to impeach these lying, thieving, torturing, mass murdering gangsters.

This is a brilliant move. No, getting rid of Cheney won't bring in a new VP who will win in 2008. Not possible. Please. Condi? But it will take out a deranged maniac and thus ties the hands of the boy king. And it will unearth the dirt that needs to be unearthed: the crimes of the Cheney-Bush presidency. Yes, crimes. They have taken aim at our constitution and democracy long enough. And they threaten the globe. Impeachment against Cheney is warranted, necessary, and brilliant strategically.

big tom: you listen to Rush "Druggie" Limpballs too much...don't bother us with his dribble and drool. Sandy sneaked out copies of copies...arrest and try him but stop with your conspiracy theory of Clinton being the BLAME FOR EVERYTHING. Kool-aid anyone?

Averett: c'mon, wasn't that rant rather childish? You believe in a vain and cruel fairy-man in the sky who listens to all your thoughts and you call liberals mental?? Issues!!!

Dennis isn't "doing this for his '08 run"...the man is REAL. Pity too many years of Turd Blossom has f*cked over the notion of doing something GOOD just because it is the MORAL thing to do.

Turning a Red state BLUE!!!

"it's certainly long past time to impeach these lying, thieving, torturing, mass murdering gangsters."

How do you propose to impeach Taliban, Al-Qaeda, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Abu Nidal Organization,Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, Ansar al-Islam, Asbat al-Ansar, Gama'a al-Islamiyya, al-Jihad, Mujahedin et.al.

Or, do you consider them on 'your' side?

In response to Andy Banyas comments: BushCo would like to shoot people after "fair trials". Look what's happening in the with the CIA renditions of "terrorists", indefinite detentions without charges, and military tribunals. They torture and kill while hiding behind the good name of the United States. They can't even define who the "enemy" is, yet they've been equating anyone who dissents from them as the "enemy".

They are turning our government into the very same element we are supposedly circling the world fighting, while wasting nearly a TRILLION dollars in the process. Do you think it's OK for BushCo to act as an organized crime family just because they are American??

Wake up. BushCo gets away with what they are doing because people like you would rather PRETEND that this country is still wholesome and that these "leaders" are not criminals. They have destroyed our good name and only their removal will restore it. If they are not removed, we are all pretending that we have any moral authority left at all.

Thank you Congressman Kucinich for having courage to take a real stand!

What a bunch of whiney, ignorant, radical left wing idiot Democrats!!! Get a grip or better yet, get out of the country!

Posted by: Averett | April 17, 2007 09:59 PM
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Nobody here is whining. We are the majority, and Cheney is going down. You can leave the country if you like. We are going to defend the Constitution. You are a traitor.

Bush and Cheney both are in the hot seat with their yapping about winning. My question is what the hell will we win?

"Bush and Cheney both are in the hot seat with their yapping about winning. My question is what the hell will we win?"

You just might want to consider what losing would get you...

sick.of.it. all.

It appears from your comments that you are a poster of one of the comments I referred to. And yes, I have served my country more than you will ever know or be able to serve yourself.

Bring it on. It is time for civilized Americans to bury the rotten stench of modern day republicans.

big (little) tom: Sandy Berger was found to have pilfered COPIES of several pages relating to Clinton. Hardly an 8-year cover up as you purport.

How do you feel about the estimated 5 MILLION emails covering several years of the GWBush administration that have gone "missing"?

But that's A-OK by you, isn't it? Typical Limpbaugh double standard.

banyas, you never served in the military, did you? What a phoney post.

They should thank God that they live in the U.S.,otherwise they would have been shot after having been given a "fair trial"!!!

Posted by: Andy Banyas | April 17, 2007 09:36 PM
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WTF This commenter is a right wing nut job who thinks we need him to protect us from even nuttier right wingers. The vast majority of Americans want Bush/Cheney out of office. Impeachment is the Constitutional way to do it.

Anyone else notice that the Bush/Cheney lovers can't put a coherent, grammatically correct sentence together? It's not their fault, SOMEONE has to have 50% of the IQs under 100...

Cheney and Bush deserve the death penalty for what they've done. So does anyone who supports them, and that includes the vast majority of the Democratic Do Nothing Congress.

Go Dennis!

I think we can all take this one to the bank. There is no doubt that Kucinich is doing this. If anyone was watching CNN this past Sunday night Dennis was being interviewed in the 10Pm time slot live. He mentioned early on that (paraphrasing) "Cheney will have to answer to the Constitution in regards to his activities while in office."

Me thinks that Kucinich may have been a general in his past life as well. This is because he is logding articles against Cheney and not Bush. Everyone knows that Cheney is responsible for "directing" much of the illicit behaviors in the White House. Cheney is the "lowest lying fruit on the tree." I cannot think of virtually any citizens of the U.S. that I have met that don't like Cheney for what he has done or (of less consequence) his demeanor. Congress, once impeachment is initially logged will have to answer to their individual constituents. And if members don't impeach Cheney well then I think this is going to cause a lot of problems for Congressman.

Of course assuming impeachment of Cheney is successful then the next obvious target is Bush and by then we will have momentum on our side!! And quite possibly an earlier exit in this war as well.

Earlier tonight, I posted that Cheney should be charged under the Espionage statute. There has been no answer or refutation by any of you right-leaning commenters.

At least, none of you are continuing with the "no basis for impeachment" nonsense.

I'm asking. Tell me where I'm wrong. Or hush your noisome ignorant drivel.

Hmmm, let me see if I have all the points straight -

Close Guantanamo - Invite those poor souls into our privileged homes as our guests - that way they will be happy.

Bill of Rights / Constitution absolutely - to the letter - Oh, there is no 'separation of church and state' there, there is no abortion right there, eminent domain does not entail shopping centers or apartment complexes, free speech does not mean you spew nonstop hatred/slander/potty language - Oh, and we admit that there is a Creator... If you insist... guess we can do that.

Guess I question something - do we want the congress or should it be a parliament, with votes of confidence on a routine basis...

I forgot the liberals think european in all things...

Sounds more like anarchy than our good ol' USA

banyas, you never served in the military, did you? What a phoney post.

Posted by: delta | April 17, 2007 11:22 PM
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It's unlikely, but if he did he forgot about the oath he took to uphold the Constitution. These kinds of sniveling cowards fantasize about protecting America from villains. When society rejects them, the nuttiest of them go on a rampage. They're deranged.

I'm 100% behind impeachment of Cheney.

Bust Bush
Chain Cheney

Lead us back to quasi sanity,
Dennis Kucinich

I forgot the liberals think european in all things...

Sounds more like anarchy than our good ol' USA

Posted by: DelaWhere | April 17, 2007 11:28 PM
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This lady obviously prefers South America to Europe.

You are right, Sonofabastard.

These chicken-hawk wannabes like Rush Limpballs, O'Really, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Kristal, and the whole rest of that sorry lot are big on tough talk when someone else's life is on the line.

My goodness, what koolaid drinkers we have here. Do you have your tinfoil on?

It may even work, if specific legal charges can be found.

Gee, you think? And no, BECAUSE HE'S A MEANY doesn't count.

you liberal's make me laugh, and yet sad at the same time. you hate this country, yet won't admit it. You do not care about anything but what you hear from the liberal media. Of course you think these things because that is all your intelligence will allow you to hear, coming from the media. You have no ideas, or thought, just hate for this country. In a way i hope a Liberal wins the White House, because god knows we will be hit again on our land becuase of your hate of protecting our country, and hate of the military. So get ready for your long term defeat in history. You all have no basis for anything, just what Chris Matthews and the like have to report on the news. I pray for you all every night, and my family, for what MAY await us all if you guys win the white house.

Perchance you can wrap your feeble brains around this -

Of course you weren't born then, but I stood toe to toe with Russian missles in '62 beginning of 'Nam -

Son was activated by Oh - gosh Clinton... to spend a year in Saudi Arabia training their troops, and is now heading to Iraq.

It also appears you are gender challenged - at 6'3" 290# FATHER of 4 - shame you can't tell the difference.

BUSH, CHENEY AND PELOSI SHOULD ALL GO. THEY ARE IN IT TOGETHER. THE CLINTONS AND BUSHES ARE FRIENDS AND VACATION TOGETHER. WAKE UP THERE ARE BAD PEOPLE IN BOTH PARTIES TRYING FOR A NEW WORLD ORDER. THESE RICH ELITISTS DON'T CARE ABOUT US. WAKE UP!

So Woody123, you'd like to see America attacked again if the Dems take over, eh? Just so they'll look bad.
You're a great American, woodhead.

HAHAHAHAHAHAH!! I love it. The best political campaign for the republicans in 2008 is kokoo Kucinich with his impeachment rants, Nancy "drew" Pelosi (love the head wrap girl) and "Happy, cut the funds to our troops" Harry Reid. You couldn't create a better group of morons. Stand back folks and let the libs implode. I can't wait until the huge tax increase and socialized medicine comes to the front of the line. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! Go ahead impeach Cheney WHO CARES!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

This is just another play to the wacky-weed nutroots on the left who only have one idea - to destroy Bush.

What a tool.

Woody, your problem is you are mistaking Bush and Cheney for America.

Liberals love their country--we hate to see it abused.

Blind rightwingers like yourself, on the other hand, would rather pretend your guy is honest for fear of looking bad yourself. Bet you were all for the Clinton impeachment and the $70 million wasted on examining his zipper.

BTW, what "Liberal" media are you referring to? Fox?--Murdouch. NBC?--That's owned by GE. ABC--Nope for that either, it's Disney. MSNBC?--Nope on that either, GE/MicroSoft.

Get informed before spewing nonesense.

Rght, Dennis. Good luck with that one.

What will the Bush-is-Hitler-Cheney-is-Evil crowd do when this administration leaves office?** Stripped of their targets, no telling how those who are safety-wired to the Hate Bush poition will be able to face the day.

** (In January, 2009)

Of course i dont want us to be attacked again moron, cant you get the point? Your party does. They do not care about our nation, or security, only the power they seek. The Lib's will do anything to get power. ANYTHING! spin what i wrote, being it not what i meant, that's what your party is good for. Be AMERICAN, love your country, and realize what time on earth we live in. Crazy's want to kill us, yet you don't understand that, it's pretty simple. Defend our country. What does the Liberal agenda plan for this country besides bashing Bush and Cheney? Anything? what plans for America? Socialism? Great party you have there pal.

And maybe at the same time we can impeach those dems that think that they are now the Secretary of State, the Executive Branch, and probably the Judicial one as well. Impeach them all.

if you voted for bush, are an idiot, and you owe everyone an appology. wtf were you thinking? we told you so.

Democrats/Liberals are narcissistic - If it feels good, looks good, tastes good - whine till you get it.

Hate to tell them that now that they are grown up, nobody needs to give it to them.

Nyacker, i wanst for Clintons impeachment, being it embarrasses out country. Tell me how Libs love this country? and dont say getting troops out of iraq. and i love how you libs hate Fox, now that there is competition to your lies being out there. Have you noticed viewers watch more of Fox because they dont have ALL liberal views. Thats how you are blind my friend. stand behind your media, will serve you well in the outcome point is you Libs would rather make this country go to shame than support it. you dont have the votes, so make fools of yourself, live out of the beltway and the scarce libs floating elsewhere. .

"If you voted for bush, are an idiot, and you owe everyone an appology. wtf were you thinking? we told you so."

Sorry for your blindness...

If you could see, ONE LOOK at horseface and his moneybags pal would have turned you off too.

DON'T YOU SEE THE "NEW WORLD ORDER" AND "NORTH AMERICAN UNION" CREEPS WANT US FIGHTING. STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS AND GOOD REPUBLICANS AND START BEING GREAT AMERICANS. WATCH "AMERICA FREEDOM TO FASCISM" FREE ON GOOGLE VIDEO. YOU WON'T BELIEVE WHAT YOU SEE. IF YOU CARE ABOUT THIS COUNTRY AND OUR FUTURE PLEASE WATCH IT.

Hey, did someone forget to tel Al and Jessie that Imus was all the Dems had left on radio with Franken gone bust.

Delta & sonofabastard:

Having reviewed further comments since mine of 9:36 P.M., together with your recent comments, it is obvious that there is no sense trying to have a rational,logical,intelligent discussion with certain members of our society and one can only wonder why this country is still able to function as well as it has. The only rational conclusion is that there are more intelligent than unintelligent people in this country and so long as the intelligent keep their focus, this country will continue to prosper.

I am a lawyer and a dual citizen of Canada and the United States. As such, I am familiar with the constitutions of both countries and the way they are customarily interpreted.

In this case, I think the orthodox view of the impeachment power in the U.S. constitution as a special emergency power that should be used only in the case of exceptionally serious misbehaviour is wrong.

The function of the impeachment power is obviously to give the legislative branch supremacy, by permitting them to fire any member of either the executive or judicial branches who are not doing their jobs in a satisfactory manner (any conduct unacceptable to the legislative branch could be considered "misdemeanors"). Congress should be no more or less hesitant to fire the president than the board of directors of a major corporation should be about replacing their chief executive.

YES!!!!!

WE LOVE YOU, MR KUCINICH!

SHOW UP THE LIES!
SHOW UP THE LIES!
SHOW UP THE LIES!

We demand a world of justice, honesty, sharing, peace, and cooperation....not corrupt leaders who invade countries and get super rich, while continuing to pollute our skies with fossil fuels emissions.

IMPEACH!

OK, time to separate the sheep from the goats....

Are you a Democrat, Republican or a Redneck ?

Here is a little test that will help you decide. The answer can be found by posing the following situation and question:

You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children.

Suddenly, an Islamic Terrorist with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, praises Allah, raises the knife, and charges at you.

You are carrying a Glock 40 cal, and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family.

What do you do?

Democrat's Answer:

Well, that's not enough information to answer the question! Does the man look poor or oppressed?

Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack?

Could we run away?

What does my wife think?

What about the kids?

Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand?

What does the law say about this situation?

Does the Glock have appropriate safety built into it?

Why am I carrying a loaded gun anyway, and what kind of message does this send to society and to my children?

Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me?

Does he definitely want to kill me, or would he be content just to wound me?

If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me?

Should I call 9-1-1?

Why is this street so deserted?

We need to raise taxes, have a paint and weed day and make this a happier, healthier street that would discourage such behavior.

This is all so confusing!

I need to discuss this with some friends over a latte and try to come to a consensus.

Republican's Answer:

BANG!

Redneck's Answer:

BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! Click.....

(sounds of reloading).

BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!BANG! click ...

Daughter: "Nice grouping, Daddy! Were those the Winchester Silver Tips or Hollow Points?"

Son: "You got him Pop! Can I shoot the next one?"

Wife: "You are not taking that to the Taxidermist!"

No woody123, you said you hoped the Dems would get power in '08, and then when America was attacked, it would serve them right. You love America so much you'd like to see it destroyed to score some cheap political points.
Nice thinking, jughead.

Wow, you missed that one...

Brisbane - The armed Conservatives aren't nearly as afraid of them as the liberal chickens are.

* what a wild read! some of the better back and forth i've seen in a long while.
* for those posters defending bushco, you really, really need to get a grip on reality. by his own words, in public and on the record, bush has admitted breaking the law, several laws in fact. for example, fisa, presidential records, treaties (which according to the constitution ARE the law of the land) and close to 1000 signing statements which legislate laws already passed and signed. the president has NO authority to violate laws he doesn't like and NO authority to legislate, i.e. change the laws. his authority is to veto laws he doesn't like or to carry them out or to cause them to be a court case for resolution by the u.s. court system.
* as for cheney, it is a matter of fact, determined in a trial by a jury, that he outed valeria plame, thereby destroying the anti-wmd work she was doing. it is a FACT that he was court-ordered to reveal what his 'energy task force' did and who was part of it, which judicial order he ignored. the constitution created 3 EQUAL branches of government to watch over each other so that none could assume dictatrorial powers. Ms de la vega's case for fraud against the united states is most convincing and i would like to see it presented in court.
* as for the illegal war and the ensuing destruction, bushco is only 100% in the wrong. WE established the principle of aggressive ware at the nuremburg war crimes trials. a country is not allowed to attach another without justification and lies are NOT justification. in fact lies PROVE the underlying illegality of the war and therefore, charges of war crimes and mass murder are appropriate. the deaths in a war are only the by-producsts of war when the war itself is legal. that is not the case in iraq.
* i could go on and on, but others here have stated the case for impeachment much better and in more detail than i have. \\ free born

"those who would trade liberty for a little temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security." - b. franklin, 1759

So banyas, you are saying that anyone that insists on ~accountablity~ in their leaders hates their country????

That is what this is about--accountability.

Pealple are DYING because we were LIED to.

Trillions are being spent--STOLEN in this insane "crusade" to rid the world of evil. It's insane. It's a trillion dollar boondoggle for Bush/Cheney associates--oil and defense contractors, mainly. Are you blind??

These military personnel are being exploited and scrificed so that American oil companies can confiscate Mideast oil. It makes a great partisan slush fund too. That's why smirker doen't want any oversight in his latest "emergency" war funding bill.

Instead of wasting a TRILLION dollars with NOTHING to show for it, we could have developed proper alternative fuel alternbatives and not ever have to worry about the Mideast again.

Never in the history of the world has there been fraud.

Not to impeach means it's just fine for them to bankrupt this country (that you supposedly love)on LIES.

freeborn--GREAT post!

I Am with Dennis 100% for impeaching Cheney!

Dennis works with and for You, Your Family and Your Friends!
All of the other Candidates work with and for the Corporations!

This is the problem with the US political system. The Republicans are out of touch, directionless, flailing wildly, and are as corrupt by now as any other administration that's been in too long. But Kucinich represents what is, in many ways, the soul of the Democrats, and it's even more twisted and pathetic than the Republicans are. The Democrats howled when the Republicans tried to impeach Clinton, and rightfully so - it was a ludicrous overstep of their responsibilities, done soley for political gain. But at least they had the decency to wait until Clinton committed a crime before they did it(even if they hounded him into said crime, he still did it). Cheney hasn't committed a crime, and thus any impeachment against him is purely political, and has even less substance than the Clinton impeachment did. I hate 90% of what the Republicans are doing in office, but as long as Democrats keep acting like this, I'm forced to support them. The partisan structure is sick and dying, and people like Kucinich just make it worse.

And people look at me funny when I say my dream slate is Giuliani/Lieberman...

I can't believe the comments of these so called progressives just littering the place!!!

IF ANY PSYCOPATH, ***or*** politician of any sort deserves impeachment and incarceration, its Richard E. Cheney!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The case against Bush is an anomoly.

The case against Cheney and his neo-pederast spies, is a sealed shut case.

"This last question is not merely academic: vice President Cheney was apparently in charge of ALL 5 of the war games which occurred on 9/11 and coordinated the government's "response" to the attacks. See this CNN article; and this essay.

And Cheney is the one who monitored flight 77 for many miles as it approached the Pentagon and -- when a military man asked "do the orders still stand?" -- Cheney responded affirmatively:

"The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?""

http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2006/02/all-roads-lead-to-dick-cheney.html

The nine eleven attacks alone are enough to impeach and convict Cheney for high crimes, add that with outing a CIA operation and his verified treason as well as blackmail...

There is not a case that's more sealed.

As George Tenet would say its a 'slam dunk'

And everyone who isn't a neo-pederast, especially real republicans and democrats will say so.

Cheney betrayed the United States to a foreign government. This is openly about documented treason and conspiracy.

http://web.archive.org/web/20011109083529/www.copvcia.com/stories/previous/bush-cheney-drugs.html

Politics should not even be brought in or involved.

The time to convict is nigh.

Bravo, LET EVERYONE WHO UNDERSTANDS WHY CHENEY AND BUSH NEED IMPEACHING, SIGN / PLEDGE AT:

www.PLEDGETOIMPEACH.ORG !

WeThePeople need to get behind Kucinich! Also, you can call Capitol Hill 24/7 (phone number below) to air your demand for impeachment!!

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Kucinich has again come out for the truth. Let's see what he does, what with a Congress and Dems who are "reluctant" to do the right and principled thing. Yes, I agree with some previous comments -- I sense that AIPAC has something to do with impeachment "being off the table":

However, Congressman John Conyers, head of the Judiciary Committee, has stated that "impeachment must come from the People". WHY it can't just come from Congress is beyond me (except for the AIPAC theory); but if he means well, then everyone CALL Rep. John Conyers -- plus

CALL your Reps and Senators -- either during business hours and give your comment...or, most Congresspersons have VoiceMail outside business hours....

CALL YOUR REPS & SENATORS AT:

1 866 - 220 - 0044 -- ask for the Rep or Senator's office you want.

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I work with a grassroots organization, www.PledgeToImpeach.org -- and we have successfully had meetings with three Representatives -- either with them personaly or their Chief of Staff (and Kucinich's office was interested, but his schedule did not permit):

Rep. Danny Davis admits that if his district's constituents in Illinois show forth and back impeachment, he would be obligated to support a bill for impeaching.

Rep. Diane Watson (D-Ca)'s office's Chief of Staff said as much -- that if her district in the Los Angeles area showed forth at least 6500 or so signatures / pledges for impeachment, then the Congresswoman would feel obligated to re-look at impeaching...

Rep. Conyers, as stated above, said that it [impeachment] must come from the People -- again I don't know why it must come from the People and not directly from Congress -- when polls and comments and the MANY impeachment movements show forth for impeaching

(see www.Impeach07.org) --

why can't Congress just proceed....make sure, e.g., that Kucinich is 100% successful!

However, we at www.PledgeToImpeach.org are doing everything we can to consolidate signatures and our pledges -- and we will be going to D.C. to demand impeachment.

PLEASE SIGN AT www.PledgeToImpeach.org -- and volunteer to volunteer!!

Besides, it's fun, meeting new people and sharing this Justice vision with others -- this activism for impeachment gets a LOT of support!!

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And impeachment movements Online, again here, www.Impeach07.org .

Also look at what above earlier comments are offering at wwww.ImpeachForPeace.org !

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We WILL have a lot to celebrate upon impeachment/JUSTICE being realized. DO something about it--not even entertaining the thought that it can't happen. The People must Rise Up peacefully -- in a kind of Renaissance-Rising mode!

Joy -- to realize Justice!

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The REASONS for impeachment can be found at many of the above-mentioned movements' websites and at ours

(www.PledgeToImpeach.org).

Also google "impeachment of bush - cheney", and you can find a lot... esp. the book by former Congresswoman and now Prosecutor, Elizabeth Holtzman (also in on the Nixon impeachment):

www.impeachbushbook.com

And the book by David Lindorff and Atty. Barbara Olshansky:

THE CASE FOR IMPEACHMENT --
info about that can be found at:
www.thiscantbehappening.net

And lastly a reminder: don't forget to pledge at WWW.PLEDGETOIMPEACH.ORG !

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blessings to those victims and the survivors of VATech.
blessings to this country -- which will be freed via impeachment!

Thank you, Hon. Congressman Kucinich!

julie
www.PLEDGEtoIMPEACH.org

juliaYoga - did you miss it -

"The nine eleven attacks alone are enough to impeach and convict Cheney for high crimes, add that with outing a CIA operation and his verified treason as well as blackmail..."

Blind logic is fascinating -

Didn't you get the memo that Al Gore planned and orchestrated 9/11 - He was pi$$ed off at Bush winning. Problem is, he is like the Preacher who called out sick on a beautiful Sunday to play golf - Of course he hit a hole-in-one and it kills him that he can't tell anyone! Al's in the same wicket - Masterminded it but can't tell anyone. He thought he had a foolproof plan - but since it didn't pan out politically the way he wanted, he took up the 'Global Warming' scam. You gotta buy into it - he already has the investment firm set up (he is Chairman of course) to take your reparations - I mean carbon offsets.

Are you sure you are reading the right talking sheet?

hbm writes: We will "move forward" when and how we damn well please, thank you.

You will never move forward and you regress selectively. You have nothing to say about Sandy Burger. My words are intended for fair minded independent thinkers. B LC

Brisbane - The armed Conservatives aren't nearly as afraid of them as the liberal chickens are.

Posted by: DelaWhere | April 18, 2007 12:22 AM
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This woman is scared out of her wits. Right wingers are such wussies. They're scared of their of their own shadows.

You have nothing to say about Sandy Burger.
Posted by: BIRD | April 18, 2007 01:17 AM
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There are copies of everything Burger took. I actually would like to know what was in those documents. I don't care if they make Clinton look bad. I suspect, when the truth is revealed they make Bush look just as bad.
Impeach, convict, and jail Bush/Cheney, and what the hell throw Clinton in there as well, if that's what it takes to get justice for the American majority.

Bravo KUCINICH!

www.PLEDGEtoIMPEACH.org

Call Congress Members 24/7 at:

1 - 866 - 220 - 0044

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GO..................impeachment!

Please view the film "Loose Change 2nd Edition"' The film gives a good report of what REALLY HAPPENED on 9/11.

The web link to the film Loose Change 2nd Edition is:
http://www.loosechange911.com
On that page the actual link to the film is the 16th line in the body of the "Welcome" text.

Are you sure you are reading the right talking sheet?

Posted by: DelaWhere | April 18, 2007 01:11 AM
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Dela, all we need to know is if you intend to obey the law in 2008, or are you going to attempt an armed insurrection against a Democratic president? Are you for or against the Constitution? You seem unhinged, we need to take your guns away.

How about that Patriot Act? Unconstitutional much?

Yes Sonofabastard, and think...

If you or I intentionally took and destroyed classified documents, we would be in prison from moment one. This is my idea of "high crimes" - perhaps treason.

Impeach the Dick! Go Dennis the Menace!!!

Sonofa- just follow me - Plenty of food and shelter here on the farm.

Qualified Expert on 4 weapons, resourceful as McGuiver -

Just best to do the main whoopin over there before they are here.

And believe me, they WILL come here.
Shoot, bunch are hear already - Minneapolis/St.Paul - your tax $ are going to build foot baths in the public college for them before prayer. Cab drivers not take you if you have a bottle or a dog. Demanding prayer room at airport.

Since they only got one of the three, they are pi$$ed. Yep they are coming here... Shira law too.

Guess you saw where they now are accepting Shira Law in England - applying it to Harem issues - they are illegal in UK but they are wussing out and have now said Shira law will be used... Hmmmm Wife beating..... One night marriages... Stoning rape victims - or giving them the option to become martyrs with bomb vests.

If you listen to some on here, that isn't important - danger is they may not get to slap around the Pres/VP - then they wonder why they get such sleezeballs running on their team. Kucinich bankrupted Cleveland - and next guy says - oh, but that was a good thing. they (we) needed to be bankrupted - we were keeping too much of our hard earned money when we should have been giving it to Dennis... Same scam Gore is trying to set up.

"Liberals love their country"

Only problem is thier country is Cuba, or Venezuela, or anyplace run by communist/islamist dictators. That's why Nancy (Damascus Diva) Pelosi will suck up to Assad and Achmeddinnerjacket, but flip the bird to Pres. Bush.

They sure hate America.

Liberals = the enemy within.

Without any good facts or logic, the neo-nazi wingnuts spout off garbage about Al Gore or about how Israel should always be supported in its mass murder.

But yet, we can see by all clear indications this is because they have no argument.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hoax.html

Nine Eleven was an inside job.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/motherofallscandals.html

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/palestinians.html

And Dick Cheney, not Al Gore, was at the center of it every time.

Sonofa- I will follow the Constitution - as it was intended - does that mean that I will accept perverted convoluted revisionist versions - NOPE.

Second Amendment sort of gives you the scenario of what it sometimes takes to keep the government honest.

When the Constitution says that anything not specifically called for the Federal government to have power on, belongs to the State or the People!

If you are asking if I will buy Federal control of a pothole in my driveway that fills with water when it rains, and a migratory duck chooses to land there, therefore it is a federally controlled migratory wildfoul habitat which cannot be altered. (In other words you are prohibited from filling in the pothole) NOPE not gonna go along with twisted perversion of it.

As a Republican i think this is a great idea! I have been waiting for the Democrooks to implode and open the door for Republicans to return to power..where we belong since we are far superior to the Democrooks in every area. I urge Dennis the Cook to move forward with this and to make as much noice as possible about it. Impeachment, failure to support the troops, and overall lack of ideas should get us back to a Republican majority in 2008. Good luck Dennis.

Oh and whoever the idiot was that said 51% of America supports impeachment is crazy. Idiot.

Without any facts, knowledge, logic, or sense, the wacky-weed, tin-foil-hat brigades of the looney left blame everything on Bush, Cheney, or global warming. They prove thier utter hatred for America with every word they utter or write. They have proven themselves many, many times, to be the real enemies of freedom and democracy.

Liberals = the enemy within.

DelaWhere is an example of fascism -

Yep anonymous cowards at it again. Afraid of their own shadow...

Hey - I talked to a nationally famous metalurgist - And Rosie said that... well, I won't repeat the garbage she said... but I concluded that it had to be Gore's hot air in combination with the increased CO2 and the September cold caused by global warming that brought the towers down. Gore Planned it and did it... Would you like me to set up a few links that back that up... I can... any jacka$$ can - Oh, and that is another reason Al did it - he invented the internet - see he is soooooooo smart and you have told us all that GWB was sooooooo dumb - there is NO WAY he could have done it.... You proved my point!

First thing in solving a crime is finding the motive..... Al sure had the motive.... so must be him.

Cheney is just one of a faction within and without our own government that carried out portions of the attacks of 9/11. Impeachment is just the beginning.

But can the neo-confederates dare dispute the FACTS?

http://www.911blogger.com/node/3128

These aren't some lame news article from some foreign land.

These are forensic photographs, analysis, HARD EVIDENCE of nine eleven being an inside job.

This is something every citizen should be concerned about, regardless of where they live. Nine eleven was an inside job and it was definitely a Cheney sponsored job....

Can anyone imagine terrorists taking over the government?

http://www.911blogger.com/node/3128

I told you Cheney and Bush are no where near smart enough to pull that off and not have hundreds of leakers running around giving the NYT (all the news that's not even worth wrapping fish in) info.

I told you - if you investigate, you will see that only Gore's global warming could do it - because the metalurgist Rosie O' said that it was against nature for fire to melt steele - she guaranteed it. Gore is the only one smart enough to pull it off and he had the motive!

I think Dennis must have found Cheney's smoking gun. Don't worry about the sock puppet (Bush) when you can disable the puppet master and his nefarious assistant Herr Rove.

The point of this seeming exercise in futility is to expose the whole fetid cabal slithering behind the Neo-Conservative curtain.

I don't have a lot of confidence in the dilettante Democrats who only pose as friends of justice and democracy who will probably roadblock his efforts.

I admire Congressman Kucinich for his fortitude and long career of public service distinguished by his courageous endurance of a ceaseless barrage of defamation from a melange of mean spirited detractors.

I hope this propels him to become our next President in 2008.

Who gave the order to stand down NORAD's defenses on September eleventh?

"Although top officials at NORAD are certainly involved, Wolfowitz and Feith were number 2 and 3 at the Pentagon. Wolfowitz was Deputy Director, Feith was in charge of policy and "special plans." (The translated name of the Mossad is the Foundation for Intelligence and *Special Tasks*) They had to be aware of or responsible for the stand-down policy. In America, the military takes orders from the DoD.

Look at the new document from the MacDill AFB whistleblower showing how NORAD was taken out from under the command of the military on 9/11 and given to Cheney, long an Israeli partisan:

http://www.v911t.org/SergeantLauroChavez.php

I do not have any problem implicating American elites, but as the Israeli newspaper Haaretz said:

"The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history."

Regarding the surveillance of the patsies, the CIA/FBI and/or Able Danger teams were also under surveillance. Some of them complained of being constantly monitored by Israeli intelligence.

Atta and others were trained at US training facilities, it is clear that US covert operators were involved in that part of the operation as well.

I am half Russian Jewish by blood, although not a "believer," the other half Anglo Christian again not a "believer." I consider it particularly important to be vigilant about the criminal deeds of my people, especially because we are so sheltered in the mainstream media. If we all keep our own houses clean, there will be peace.

I'll start by discussing the Israeli and Zionist aspect, work around to describe what I believe to be the relationship between Zionism/Judaism and the Anglo-European establishment and then posit a transhuman agency without absolving its representatives. As my friend Greg Zeigler - one of the intel agents on the http://patriotsquestion911.com website - likes to say: "No one owns a scam."

I believe that when we start unraveling 9/11 we will find that 9/11 was conceived, designed and implemented largely by Israel partisans in and out of the US, just as the War in Iraq was. I say Israel partisans rather than Israeli because this includes the Christian Zionists and the Masonic British Israelists. Ostrovsky points out in his books that Iraq was an Israeli target for regime change since the eighties. Mossad's "warning" to CIA implicating Iraq strikes me as deeply suspicious."
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com

I see Republicans (terrorists) running around like chicken with their heads cut off, saying, "Cheny and Bush could not have pulled it off, man." All the while swallowing as gospel the hilarious conspiracy theory that it was masterminded by some third-world, third-rate boogyman in a cavey cave cave.

LMFAO!

The enemy IS within.

Ironically, it's the terrorists who keep telling everyone that "the terrorists will show up, here, on our own soil...mark my words, you should live in FEAR!".

They know it to be a fact because they ARE the terrorists (Bush Worshiping Republican PseudoChriistian Fascists).

Oh and whoever the idiot was that said 51% of America supports impeachment is crazy. Idiot.

Posted by: Michael P | April 18, 2007 02:01 AM
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Newsweek: 51% of Americans want Bush impeached.
Remember all the pundits laughing at the notion of impeaching president Bush? Remember all the pollsters refusing to even ask that question in their polls? Well, a majority now approve of Democratic plans to impeach president George W. Bush. 28% think it should be a high priority, 23% think it should be a lower priority, while 44% disapprove.

The shootings 'happened' to distract us from Gonzales, Cheney, and impeachment. Do any of you doubt that mind-control is possible? It is another Hinkley/Catcher in the Rye in hand/Oswald set-up. MIND CONTROL- Make someone crazy enough to shoot lots of people, so we forget to think about the corruption at hand. AND to convince us that we should ban automatic weapons, which in turn will take away our ability to defend ourselves from a corrupt government.

Think about it.

NOPE not gonna go along with twisted perversion of it.

Posted by: DelaWhere | April 18, 2007 01:57 AM
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Oh and whoever the idiot was that said 51% of America supports impeachment is crazy. Idiot.

Posted by: Michael P | April 18, 2007 02:01 AM
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Liberals = the enemy within.

Posted by: jdawg | April 18, 2007 02:03 AM
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DUMB, DUMBERER, DUMBEREST

In a world with neither Cheney or Rove at his side, is a world in which George Bush could no longer operate.

Dennis is the best.

Dennis saved the people hundreds of millions of dollars through standing up to the bad guys and became a local hero for his work as mayor.

Now Dennis is saving the people of the United States from the neo-cons who have destroyed the integrity of our government.

In Congress Kucinich has always stood up for the people and backed their interests over those of big business. While other candidates, such as Obama and Edwards, take contributions from big corporations to support war and nuclear bills and then lie about their records, Kucinich can tell the truth because he doesn't take corporate donations and he has a perfect voting record.

I always knew that the one leader we could trust issue was Dennis. I'll be voting my first vote ever for Dennis for President. If others here have the integrity to vote for the best, they'll be voting for Dennis, too.

Oh how the impotent loonie lefties rage!!! There is not a chance in hell that this or any other impeachment attempt will suceed. In case none of you Bush-hating bozos noticed, a REAL law has to be broken for there to be grounds for impeachment. Made up BS about 911 conspiracies or impeachment on the grounds that "I don't like him and he deserves it" just won't do. What a bunch of clowns! I'm afraid you idiots are just going to have to deal with your hatred for a few more years. I suggest an anger management class or you could just leave the country as many of you promised when Bush was RE-ELECTED.

Mr./Mrs. Mathers,
You are a coward and a person of certainly little character. Your views contain the lucidity of the typical liberal, whose delusions of moral superiority are so gamely presented to all when you decide to abandon them in such pathetic statements as yours. Actual families have been devastated, but for you it's just an opportunity to boldly make political points. Bravo, bravo.

To the editors: Are these not the types of posts which are to be removed?

The 51% number is a joke. I like how you nuts ignore the one number that matters in the Newsweek story where this myth originated.
"Other parts of a potential Democratic agenda receive less support, especially calls to impeach Bush: 47 percent of Democrats say that should be a "top priority," but only 28 percent of all Americans say it should be, 23 percent say it should be a lower priority and nearly half, 44 percent, say it should not be done."
Don't worry Democrooks..even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and then...keep looking blind squirrels, you'll find something one day.

The liberals started this country by liberating themselves from King George.
I guess its time for the liberals to take up arms again to liberate this country from another king George.
Liberate = Freedom
Republic = Control

Heroes happen.

HOO-HOO-HOOOO!!

Keep it Lefties. You clowns will never win.
lmao!!

Dennis Kucinich is a nut case.

However, he is also the most rational guy running for the Presidency. Biden, Obama, Hillary and all the others will simply try their version of winning - remember Vietnam or how about Cuba after the Spanish American War. Three administrations in Vietnam and 25 years in Cuba.

As Paul Simon wrote - there are 50 ways to leave your lover. It is time to get the troops on the bus, Gus and bring them home.

Impeaching Cheney is the critical juncture of the Bush Administration. The Dems have been taking out the key players one at a time. Go after Cheney and the number of deceptions and amount of corruption will wash over Bush and many others. Cheney is no Ollie North. He cannot go marching up the isle in his full dress uniform. Impeching Cheney will bring all the dirt out, because all the dirt starts with Cheney.

Go Kucinich!

Eric

It is too bad the shooter at VT spent all of his mojo on students and faculty.

Posted by: mmather | April 17, 2007 11:20 AM

Forwarded to the U.S. Treasury, Office of the Secret Service for Follow-up

Do not tamper with the server logs or IP of the sender. It may be considered destruction of evidence and Obstruction of Justice.

kirk - your only retort is a bunch of personal and irrelevant criticism. So, in attempt to reach your mental plane - know that you are a stupid idiot who should never contaminate others with your primitive ramblings.

Thank you Denis Kucinich!!!

seems you republicans are such cowards - luring poor young kids to take up guns under the guise of honor - only to benefit your wallet. your minds are mush - with no ability to think critically. You seem led by a bizarre ideal where money and righteousness guide and rationalize all of your behavior. You are walking sick contradications. you bring the rest of humanity way down.

The obvious advantage is that impeaching Cheney is like impeaching the President. Once Cheney is out, the rest is easy. We deliver Bush to an orphanage.

The punchline is that there are still several conservatives who post on a note like this. Christians who think the current administration represents their interests. Failing middle-classers who have been led to believe that they have benefited from death-tax and rebate legislation. Bullies who think the war is "cool" and that we might some day "win." This is the same group who will condemn the liberals for the taxes imposed eventually to pay for the trillion dollar war. They recognize no social contract, and have not since RR lost his jellybeans. Even during a period where the GOP controlled the courts, the congress, and the presidency-- the number of court cases 80-20 against Dems... the GOP has not been able to stop the hemmoraging and convicting of Duke Cunningham, Jackoff Abrahm, Scooter (ride me in prison) Libby, etc.
Most true conservatives (Goldwater conservatives) wish this embarrassment of an administration were gone. We will be getting our wish soon.

Good Grief... We hold Cheney and Bush in Contempt! They`ve held our country together and We`re going to say they`re inept? Try getting one of those slimy Dems to pull that off.

Smansra,
I feel you response is inaccurate and fearful. You think someone who is opposed to using the suffering and tragedy of others to make a coarse joke, requesting even that another person die, is as you so eloquently state a "stupid idiot" with "primitive ramblings". Please explain more, how my view would be stupid or primitive? It seems that you fear those who disagree with you. I made my case quite pointedly, Mr./Mrs. Mathers posted what any civilized person would see as a vile and opportunistic comment, joyfully and anonymously. Thus I propose he/ she is a coward and of little character. Your diatribe offers no such reasoning.

Impeach the whole gang! They killed the "habeus corpus" principle that was born during Magna Carta! No other reason required. If Democrats fail to do so, vote them out!

Dennis Kucinich said:
[As one studies the images of the Eagle Nebula brought back by the Hubble Telescope from that place in deep space where stars are born, one can imagine the interplay of cosmic forces across space and time, of matter and spirit dancing to the music of the spheres, atop an infinite sea of numbers.

Spirit merges with matter to sanctify the universe. Matter transcends to return to spirit. The interchangeability of matter and spirit means the starlit magic of the outermost life of our universe becomes the soul-light magic of the innermost life of our self. The energy of the stars becomes us. We become the energy of the stars. Stardust and spirit unite and we begin: One with the universe. Whole and holy. From one source, endless creative energy, bursting forth, kinetic, elemental. We, the earth, air, water and fire-source of nearly fifteen billion years of cosmic spiraling.

We begin as a perfect union of matter and spirit. We receive the blessings of the Eternal from sky and earth. In our outstretched hands we can feel the energy of the universe. We receive the blessings of the Eternal from water, which nourishes and sanctifies life. We receive the blessings of the Eternal from the primal fire, the pulsating heart of creation. We experience the wonder of life multidimensional and transcendent. We extend our hands upwards and we are showered with abundance. We ask and we receive. A universe of plenty flows to us, through us. It is in us. We become filled with endless possibilities.]...wearing his tinfoil hat, of course.

Just do it, Dennis! Why is this article about a PROPOSAL to file instead of FILING itself? So far, as good as it sounds, just more hot air from a politician (one who folded to Kerry's pro-war platform, remember). Just hot air. Filing could have been done weeks ago, months ago, years ago. What has stopped you, Dennis? Now you PLAN on it? Well. Lalalalalalalalala. Well folks, don't count your chickens qutie yet.

Wow, There are almost as many anonymous cowards and loons here as Huffpo or Kos. It seems Mr. Kurtz lives in a glass house after all.

Dick Cheney will not ride out his term as VP as he will resign for health reasons, leaving Bush the opportunity to name the next Republican candidate for the 2008 campaign. Therefore, the impeachment proceedings will be for naught as far as getting rid of Cheney. Further, I believe to hold hearings on impeaching Cheney will also form the basis for impeaching Bush and could put a stop to our being the world's leading terrorist threat.

Andy Banyas,
sick.of.it. all.
It appears from your comments that you are a poster of one of the comments I referred to. And yes, I have served my country more than you will ever know or be able to serve yourself.

Posted by: Andy Banyas | April 17, 2007 11:15 PM

I was just asking a question. That's great, so have I, I am looking at my DD 214 right now.

(end reply to Andy)

None of these opinions in this thread are going to change anything. (But that doesn't mean you should be silent.)The war will go on and so will the corruption. The American people have lost the ability to change this situation, when they lost their right to have their vote counted. They lost that when electronic voting machines (which are impossible physically to validate) were introduced. Change that, and you can start changing all the rest of these problems everyone is mad about. Take away the money from the politics so that the Corporations are not running our government. (you can learn about voter rights and advocacy on bradblog.com I highly recommend it.)

I also notice a lot of troll-ish posts.

(I just have to wonder if this is not part of the WH cyber-warfare.)

I've personally had my websites (which I won't plug or name here) under DDoS attacks ever since I first started talking about electronic voting machines. It's be hard if not impossible to prove with my resources, but I know it's not just a coincidence.

Folks that just come in and say things like "liberalism is a mental disease."
(that's straight from the lips of Michael Savage, so when you say that, you look dumb, because your parroting him.)

Other troll-ish posts say something else which will refer to "the liberal media."

The fact is the media is corporate owned.,

Not liberal owned. Not conservative owned.
(Sorry if I just broke your preconceived notion)

You should think along the lines of Corporate Mainstream Media. Or for profit television.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_media

(which I don't agree 100% with, but most of it is spot on.)

You can technically break it down into the big five ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, FOX. They do not serve the public interest. They are For profit. And yes even PBS is not in the public interest. If you want that you'll need to turn to public access (which has been under attack for quite some time now by the telco's.)

On the radio side, I don't personally know how it breaks down, because I don't do radio.

But if you asked me about liberal media on the radio I would have to say, that you get very few choices, Air America / NOVA M.

Alternatively you have clearchannel owning way more than they should. -imo

The only radio that serves the public interest that I am familiar with is College Radio, Ham Radio, Cb Radio. (no the low power fm walkit-talkies don't count)

The washingtonpost strangely seems to get some of these issues, and I applaud them for that. But your still not going to hear about electronic voting machine problems and failures and fraud by bit flipping on CMSM (Corporate Mainstream Media)

Don't believe me? Pick a topic from Bradblog and send it into your local CMSM station and see if they report it. They won't do it. It isn't voter fraud, it's electronic voting machine fraud. And it's Corporate Mainstream Media Blackout.

So when you pull the liberal media vs. conservative media argument, you should re-think that. It's Corporate media. They are not going to report something that go's against their profit interests.

The neo-con/republican/facists and the liberal enablers should be the proper term, when you think this way.

I don't like either side at this point.

It's too bad that Washington Post (Who at least appears to get some of this) doesn't bring up electronic voting machines and pound it day after day.

I am sorry if this cracks many of your opinions and ideas, but it is the way it is, the Situation of America 2007.

You need look no farther to the results of these electronic voting machines than the shredding of our constitution, surveillance, an ongoing war that we can't afford, and the appointment of a lot of people (cronies arguably) that are unqualified to do their jobs in a myriad of government agencies. (I know I am skipping a ton of other problems, but if you really tried to wrap your head around how much corruption there is you will eventually go nuts) This happened incrementally over time, and it's going to take time to set it straight again. Part of that is going to have to be getting rid of these un-validatable electronic voting machines, and part of that is removing the money from politics.

CMSM reports that the democrats own the house and senate, well they may own the house, but not the senate, they do not have a majority in the senate to bring ANY practical change. The balance of power is currently that the folks with the (R) have Executive, Senate, Judicial, and a plethora of key offices and agencies. While the folks with the (D) have the house. (Meanwhile the actual elections are still questionable on both sides D, or R, since from a PHYSICS standpoint you can not see electricity, therefore you can not validate the signals, and therefore the vote.

You've lost your right to vote, because it can not be validated or counted. You've lost your representation because of large sums of money, you've lost parts of what really matter of your constitution because of these other two.

I listen to both conservative and liberal hosts, shows, books and programming. I also do public access tv. I think that puts me in a unique position to understand the situation. I don't know everything.

And I am just an opinion like everyone else here (cyber-warfare trolls included.)

Impeaching Dickie Cheney would be a gift to Bushie and the Repooplicans. The NEW Veep would simply be poised to run for Prez with the Veepery (is that even a word?)as his/her springboard. Should that opening occur, farfetched as it may be, I'd bet the farm that Bushie would select Condi Rice for it. No, dear friends, just relax and let Dickie Cheney ride; he is the BEST advertisement for voting a Democratic slate into office in 2008.

we have reached new heights of corruption-now plain for all the world to see - it needs to be addressed, kucinich has decided to be part of the solution-not part of the problem and he deserves to be heard above the bleating and foot dragging by his colleagues and the frightened press-at this point only the truth will set us free from republican stupidity and paranoia

Isn't it time you liberals get over 2000?

Definitely!! He certainly should be impeached for his 6 years of intentionally lying to the American people about many things, the list is endless. A manipulator and a liar, that sounds like a "high crime and misdemeanor" to me.

Has Anyone Caught On To The Fact That Dick Cheney Is Buying An Aircraft Parts Supply Company aka Westco Aircraft For 2.2 Billion .. Now You Why They Want The War To Go On Longer ... They Always Said "War Is Big Business" ... Who Is Biger Than Bush Cheney

We don't even know what the charges are and here we are making judgement. Yes, there seems to be some probable offenses not based on judgement, character or other deceitful ways. And they could lead to the president as well. Rumsfeld, Cheney,Gonzales, this just the begining. And on what grounds? I think that making public the identity of a CIA covert agent is not only a dangerous act that jeopardices the life and well being of americans and friendly agents, but worse it is a treachrous act that could cost you your life if YOU WERE on the receiving end of these charges. We should be patient and wait to see what else could come out of this.

bill,

Hacked, Cracked, Failing, vote flipping Electronic Voting machines.

It's is not a partisan issue. It's an American Issue. It's a NATIONAL SECURITY issue.

I don't care what party your from.

I see why Kucinich has almost no public support in his compaign for presidency. He is a far left ideiolog that operates on emotion and not on facts. Lets see now, if you dont agree with a government offical, just impeachment him. Read the constitution
Just like the motion that went before congress on ending the war, far left idea but NO voting support by congress. So shall be the result of impeachment proceedings.
How sad that one of the comments by one of the readers of this article states, "too bad the ammo of the killer at V.T. were wasted on the students and faculty". That is what the left is about, emotion and not rational thinking. That says it all!

Hay guys, grow up. As stated by several of the respondents according to the US Constitution an official may be impeached for high crimes-normally interpreted as felonies- or serious misdemeanors, not for bad judgement or bad politics. There is no evidence that a crime has been committed by Chaney, at least not in the legal sense. As far as "manipulation of intelligence" is concerned, that despite extensive searches, the worst that the administration did was to ignore doubts by some intelligence analysts that Iraq actually had WMD, although the plurality of analysts thought they did, including those from other countries. I am not a supported of Bush or Chaney, and I am mad as hell that they got us into this no win situation, at great expense of human life and material resources, but I am a supporter of the US constitution and logic, facts, objectivity. Actually the Clinton Impeachment made a little more sense since there was evidence that he did commit perjury, which is a legal crime.
So guys, use your brains instead of emotions.
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Love the hate speech on this liberal rag!

The blood thirsty democrats have already murdered 3 million Cambodians, Viet Namese, and Loasians when they pulled the funding in SE Asia in 1975.

I have served in Iraq with my National Guard Company. I am certain that if the democrats get their way and surrender Iraq to Osama, at least another million will be murdered. That will include every Iraqi that has helped us in any way. But I guess the democrats are very serious on surpassing Adolf Hilter as mass murderers!

SGT

DreA posed a counter-argument to a Cheney impeachment, saying the next Republican President would take over the VP role. I disagree. The impeachment proceedings could not begin until next fall (allowing for the snail's pace of Congress and summer break). The investigation, lead-up and actual hearings would probably begin in January. The decision would be reached in March/April at the earliest. By then, the Republican candidate will be identified by early primaries and polls. Why would someone tie their candidacy to the Bush legacy? Go Dennis, Go!

It is so sad! I guess all of you believe Bush/Cheney drew up the plans for the 911 attack and funded it also! You people yeah you people from the far left are so pathetic. You just cannot get over losing the White House and Congress for a decade out of the last 100 years. Well, you will not have it long especially with leaders like Pelosi and having speakers for your causes as M. Moore! America will wake up to the fact that all the Democrats do is whine and complain but NEVER offer a solution unless it raising taxes and having govenment take care of it. Maybe Bush should have just sat in the WH (like Clinton) and do nothing, except get his pleasure addiction fed! I mean Wee Willy had the opportunity to take out UBL and did not have the courage to do it! America Love it or Leave it, one tickets to anywhere are available! Hell we may even justify them under some govt. program and get a grant to get you out of your misery!

Gee Whiz, I see you people are chock full of KoolAid on this. You folks leave out one thing, the lack of proof of any crime. Your delusional ramblings don't cut it. How many of you minimum wage service workers have a clue about the real world? Keep wearing your Che' shirts and flogging your dummies in some fantasy of impeachment. It won't happen.

WOW, look at all the hate and venom being spewed in the comments.
mmather IS pathitic, as for the rest in here posting LIES..read this link below.

http://freedomagenda.com/iraq/wmd_quotes.html

The one thing that the left can impeach Bush on is his willingness to violate his oath of office by not enforcing immigration law. Unfortunately the left wants to ignore the laws of this land even more -until they can stack the court with leftists that can't read a simple constitution that is.

How can anybody support CHICKENHAWK CHENEY?
The man is a global parasite as well as a war criminal and he's the "most inisidious of traitors".
Impeach and Incarcerate.

It is time for these thugs to be held accountable for their crimes, Criminals should be put in jail.

It's been really interesting and somewhat amusing to read the incredible stupidity exhibited here. This is was the Democrats have fallen to??? What flavor Kool-Aid have y'all been drinking? When DK was mayor of Cleveland, we here in Ohio referred to him as Dennis the Menace - with good reason.

Shoulda, woulda, coulda. Yes , but look at reality, the last president that opposed a war was assinated. As the war grows the stock market rises and you pay more for gas. We sheople get what we deserve, our comfort is the price we pay to live in a dictatorship. Dennis is tiling at windmills, he's right of course. But when was the last time anything "right" worked in this corporate controled, pawn popuplated polluted wasteland.

This will never happen, partly because the Democrats are not interested in blazing new procedural territory, but rather intent on restoring the status quo ante via the slow grind of traditional oversight. It's something I've been writing about.

Kucinich is a nutball

"It is too bad the shooter at VT spent all of his mojo on students and faculty."

Posted by: mmather | April 17, 2007 11:20 AM

WOW....no one unhinged in here I see. Whackjob!

What's interesting about this story is how closely it parallels the opinions of the Copperheads during the Civil War. The Democrats were on the wrong side of history then, and now, along with the extremely wacko and vocal Left who make up their base, they're headed for the dustbin of history.

What drives the Left nuts is that President Bush's legacy will be that of a successful wartime President who ran a very clean administration, whereas their darling Clinton will always be known for "...meaning of 'is' is" and "...did not have sex with that woman," and "..did not inhale." And talk about running a dishonest presidency! Check out the list of Clinton administration controversies found on Wikipedia:

8.1 The Lewinsky scandal
8.2 Impeachment trial in the Senate
8.3 Disbarment
8.4 Administrative controversy
8.5 Campaign finance and the pardons
8.6 Sexual Assault and Rape allegations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_clinton

Now here's the list for President Bush:
....

Oops! None. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush

Oh yeah, Clinton did manage to get himself impeached--only the second president to acheive that--so he'll have a nice writeup in the history books for that accomplishment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment#United_States

All of the drowning-rat righties posting here who decry a "lack of evidence" of CHeney's crimes fail to note that any sort of congressional investigations have barely begun.

Go Dennis!

....just stay out of any small aircraft for a while.

What's very scary is that neither party, Republicans or Democrats, want to run this country. Nobody will step up to the plate and take control. If we wait long enough for a smart millionaire to show up, it might be China. I don't see that changing from one party to another is going to help. Neither party gets it.

One of the dumbest ideas yet.

I think most of these comments are written by Kremlin's Goebbel propaganda division or by jihadists' media arm in Iraq - I just can't believe that Americans posting here can be so wacky.

Enough of this insanity, Kucinich and the far-left are driven by this absolute hatred of the administration. I think the war has been run horribly, but my reasons differ from their's. I believe that we should have put in a strong-man after our victory who would have kept Iraq under control with a pro peace and a America friendly foreign policy. We are now dealing with a bunch of tribalist, treacherous, superstitious yahoos who are not worth the life of 1 American. Yet the Congressman and the left wring their hands , blame America for all the ills of the world and rush from plan to plan trying to figure out to whom and where they can surrender with the greatest possible humiliation for the United States. Too bad they dont live in Iran, Russia, Nort Korea, Cuba etc. then see what their whining would get them.

I'll add my vote that both Bush and Cheney are a disgrace and should be kicked out of office. But, the big but, if we leave them in office it will help clear out the Congress of the rest of the Bush/Cheney supporters. For six years this country was pretty much run by a dictator or king whatever term you want to use. Bush's fellow republicans pretty much rubberstamped anything he wanted. We need to clear them out. I'm in a frame of mind to vote a lot of the Dems out as well.

What is it? What kind of rabbit-hole mentality do we have?

We know we were lied to. Our fortune, honor and nearly a million people have died because of these lies. Yet when someone goes to stop this carnage and bring those to justice they are marginalized and ridiculed.

I don't understand this world. Unless it is that people just don not have the courage to do the right thing. Kucinich might be the only man in government with sense and courage and yet he is more often than not the one marginalized. Shows how far down this country has fallen.

Chris Christner:

Last-ditch delusions do not look good on you.

- Bush admitted explicitly to breaking the FISA laws

- Bush/Cheney have engaged in overt conflicts of interest re: "reconstruction" contracts in the war they invented.

- Bush/Cheney have denied habeas corpus rights to American citizens

- Bush/Cheney apparachiks have overtly lied to congress on numerous occasions (B & C have been too careful or cowardly to submit themselves to such contexts)

- Bush Cheney have overtly broken anti-propaganda legislation by paying WH funds to journalists to produce innaccurate news stories favorable to their policies

- Bush/Cheney have attempted to convert the Justice Department into a system of party-faithful gautlier/magistrates

- Cheney's office is materially connected to the bribery ring surrounding Duke Cunningham

-Bush/Cheney lied to the American people on countless occasions in order to take this country into a war-for-profit on behalf of their corporate backers

Hold your breath for a little while and wait for the Democratic Congress (a REAL congress, finally)to come up with charges firmly based on all of these crimes and more. Thay are coming; bank on it.

I bet you will lambaste Wikipedia when it posts a "worst Criminal Presidency" heading on its George W. Bush page

An interesting historical treatise on what constitutes a high crime and misdemeanor:

http://www2.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/03/10/cq/high.crimes.html

Joe,

I think you and your fellow magically-thinking monarchists should get the hell out of my country and move to Uzbekistan, where torture is government policy and political leadership rests on an arbitrary cult of personality. You'll love it there.

Do it Dennis do it!
You blue staters need to encourage Dennis to bring charges against the administration and then see what happens. The rest of America hates to see bullies, nut cases and sore losers try to cause serious harm to the country for what can at the worst be called mistakes. Oh yea, I know Bush and Cheney caused 9/11, global warming, stolen elections, Valerie Plame outing, Katrina mayhem, Virginia Tech shootings, Mars warming, high tides, the sun setting and all other things in the world that has gone wrong. People use your brain cells, it takes treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors. The best case may be "high crimes" because it is not clearly defined and like Ford said, high crimes is anything the majority of the house says it is. But know if the house takes this step, all it will do is make headlines, possible impeachment but never removal from office without a conviction in the senate which won't happen because of a super majority required. The long term effect of this won't be popular with the majority of the US voting block. So, go ahead and "Do it Dennis do it". It should guarantee liberal defeat for years to come.

It would be nice if liberals could come up with laws that the White House has actually violated. And I'm talking about black and white cases... something like.... giving pardons for money... something like that. Not... well this was a grey area that was done to make the country safer...

All liberals can due is Nifong the White House... no actual charges or laws violated but just pandering to their liberal hate.

Have you noticed that when talking about Bush, just about all liberals sound like they have Tourette's????

To Juliannd: Read physics. Everything Kucinich said in that lyrical passage that you quoted is fully supported by quantum physics and astrophysics (the small and the large).

Thank you for posting it. I've been dithering about whether to support Edwards, who actually has a shot, or Kucinich, who represents my values and my heart more closely. I fretted about whether this would be "wasting" my vote. Well, I'm always clamouring about how politicians should just say what they think and let US decide, rather than pandering to the largest swath of voters possible by saying nothing substantive or specific. I guess it's time for me to vote for who I really believe in, rather than just who might be more likely to win by appealing to that broad mob.

What would happen if we all voted in the person we truly most believed in? Makes you wonder. Even if our candidates didn't win, perhaps we'd get more candid candidates.

Kucinich says what he thinks is right regardless of how it affects pandering polls. Wouldn't you like a president who did the same thing?

There's NO WAY this will happen. Kucinich needs to read the very Constitution he has sworn to uphold and protect. It specifically says in Section 4: "The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors."

Neither the President's nor the Vice President's actions fall under this. Kucinich is just grandstanding. Kucinich's the disgrace and should be kicked out of office, in MY opinion!

B & C are scam artists and commit crimes on a weekly basis. The documentation is there for all to see. Whether its breaking the law, re-writing the Constitution, meddling in sovereign nations, lining pockets of corporate cronies, etc. they are at it full time and working very hard. A great philospher once said, "by their fruits you shall know them". Anyone who cannot see that they are top notch criminals is either deluded, ignorant or in profound denial.

ChiefPayne,

look a few posts up and note the list I posted of explicit infractions by this administration curently under investigation. Bribery? Yes. Treason? Hell yes. Other high crimes? Yes - we don't have the time to mess with their misdemeanors.

Why won't the liberal MSM cover this:

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., has abruptly walked away from her responsibilities with the Senate Military Construction Appropriations Subcommittee after a report linked her votes to the financial well-being of her husband's companies, which received billions of dollars worth of military construction contracts she approved.

What looks best in the record of history? Doing the right thing, or doing what's expedient? Just waiting is easiest, but is sort of cowardly considering what they have done to undermine our principles and our language.

I'm for doing the right thing, but I'm not sure if the country is as convinced as they need to be in order for it to to be compelled through Congress. And that would be very sad indeed.

it probably has something to do with the statements about Al-Queda and Sadam or Iraqi Official meetings whereby the intellegence was tampered with *whether that was before being presented to President or at the request of te President*... inter alia

Sir Loin of Beef,

That is it??? I'm not even a lawyer but I could easily fight those charges... and win. Sorry, you need something a lot better than that.

When going after criminals... you go with your strongest case... Is that why democrats keep digging over the D.A.'s??? They can't find anything else?

Leonidas,

It's easy to take folks out of context, with such a trollish blanket statement like that.

You want to talk more specific. Unless your part of the WH Cyber-Warfare brigade

Personally, I am all for a Cheney impeachment. If he broke the law then he should rot in a jail with his new boyfriends. The law is the law.

If I could change ONE LAW, it would be that oath breakers get LIFE IN PRISION.

Unfortunately, Kucinich isn't taken too seriously but what he was saying over 4 years ago is being espoused by some Congressional Democrats now. Is there anyone in Congress or the country *besides the loony 30 percent or 20 percent for Cheney* that thinks he isn*t a war crimial, a war profiteer and liar, to Congress and the people? He is an abomination as Vice President. He makes Agnew and his *bag money* seem like chump change compared to the pallet loads of $100.00 bills that was in the coalitions hands. There were only a couple of no-bid companies there and Cheney had his hands in two of them---Haliburton and KBR--that were capable of moving them pallets at a time. And that would be required to move $12,000,000.00. The President should be included too for lying us into war, NSA spying without warrants and against Americans who shouldn't have been spied on, rendition for torture, signing statements to continue torture, cherry picking and twisting intelligence to start a war and how many more reasons are needed?

Kucinich is a clown who wears a shirt and tie instead of floppy feet.

Read this and then think about the Bush Administration and the past 6 years.

"Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive is extended; its influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied; and all the means of seducing the minds, are added to those of subduing the force, of the people. There is also an inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing out of a state of war, and degeneracy of manners and of morals. No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare." --James Madison 1793

Sir Loin of Beef,

What I would actually like to see investigated is Sandy Burglar. Why won't he take a lie detector test like he is supposed to??? What documents did he destroy??? What didn't he want us seeing???

If Conzi had done the same thing, would you have let her get away with a slap on the wrist??? Why the double standards????

Why go half way, impeach both Bush and Cheney at the same time. You have to wonder why the democratic party,(the one that is supposed to be "for the people") is not behind Kucinich on this. If they were truely there to cqarry out OUR wishes, it would have been done and underway right now.

By the way, if the constitution states that they have to be convicted of these crimes before they can be impeached, then why haven't charges been filed and why haven't we got their sorry asses in court yet?

To show you how out of touch with reality liberals are, I had one tell me that if Kerry had been elected President, New Orleans wouldn't have flooded.

Please don't forget to file the same articles of impeachment against the bubble head puppet in the oval office. Bush and Cheney have lied to long to the Congress and the people that impeaching them seems like to nice of a thing to do to them. Charge them with treason for their lies have surely been high crimes that would constitutes treasonous acts. Dang fry them before they contaminate our country even more.

So Sad - some many ill (mentally) people read this trash.

The former voting block of the Southern Baptists and Republican "Right" are desperate to atone for their "sin" of complicity with this war. They will actively support a rapid impeachment and purge of this administration, if there are some common-sense indications that SOMEBODY is serious about "homeland security;" abandonment of the bogus airport carry-on rules, rapid establishment of local civil preparedness, some discussion of the protection of our water and food supplies, eg.
Impeachment now is the very least our Congress owes us for their part in this mess.

Ann,

Maybe because they know that no law was broken????

Sir Loin,

Ok...let's LOOK at your list:

- Bush admitted explicitly to breaking the FISA laws

ANSWER: 2002 case dubbed: "In Re: Sealed Case," the FISA appeals court decision cited a previous FISA case [U.S. v. Truong], where a federal court "held that the President did have inherent authority to conduct warrantless searches to obtain foreign intelligence information."

- Bush/Cheney have engaged in overt conflicts of interest re: "reconstruction" contracts in the war they invented.

ANSWER: Presidence set by the CLINTON administration says the contracts are valid

- Bush/Cheney have denied habeas corpus rights to American citizens

ANSWER: US citizens who are technically guilty of treason in a global war - sounds like we need to look at WWII treaties, doesn't it.
BUT this CAN be argued in court - WHY hasn't it?

- Bush/Cheney apparachiks have overtly lied to congress on numerous occasions (B & C have been too careful or cowardly to submit themselves to such contexts)

ANSWER: Apparachiks are NOT the VP nor the President - irrrelevant!

- Bush Cheney have overtly broken anti-propaganda legislation by paying WH funds to journalists to produce innaccurate news stories favorable to their policies

ANSWER: The anti-propaganda legislation (aka the Smith-Mundt Act) does indeed prevent propaganda from being distributed - now, which inaccurate stories were these AGAIN???

- Bush/Cheney have attempted to convert the Justice Department into a system of party-faithful gautlier/magistrates

ANSWER: Irrelevant! EVERY administration tries to put their own people everywhere.

- Cheney's office is materially connected to the bribery ring surrounding Duke Cunningham

ANSWER: And you have evidence Cheney was directly involved with this where exactly??

-Bush/Cheney lied to the American people on countless occasions in order to take this country into a war-for-profit on behalf of their corporate backers

ANSWER: Even if true (which I seriously doubt) this also is irrelevant! Neither were under oath (as opposed to Clinton) and so cannot be held under contempt.

I have seen NOTHING to equate to a high crime or misdemeanor. Want to try again?

The CYBER-WARFARE TROLLS ARE HERE NOW.

So I'll just go to sleep now.

Chiefpayne,

Ouch, did you have to B*tch slap him so hard???

Pepsiholic,

SOMEONE had to wake the guy up! Besides, it really irritates me when someone tries to screw around using the Constitution without know what the darn thing says!

Chief,

Liberals don't really care about the truth, facts or logic.

THE HIDDEN CORRUPT RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN HALLIBURTON AND CHENEY WOULD CONSTITUTE A HIGH CRIME AND MISDEMEANOR!
I BELIEVE THAT THE IRAQ WAR WAS FOUGHT FOR THE ECONOMIC BENEFIT OF HALLIBURTON- CHENEY'S COMPANY, AND I BELIEVE THAT EVIDENCE OF A CONTINUING CORRUPT RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN HALLIBURTON AND CHENEY IS TO BE FOUND.
IT IS FOR THAT REASON THAT HALLIBURTON RECENTLY DECIDED TO MOVE ITS HEADQUARTERS TO DUBAI!

Naro,

Try investigating Diane Fienstein and the billions of dollars she has steered to her husbands company first.

Most all of you are such a joke. Deal with the real world for once. Cowards

Naro,

The key word in your statement is HIDDEN. Is there ANY evidence you can give to support your beliefs in this matter? If not, then there is NO evidence to support an impeachment.

Look, an impeachment is like a Grand Jury...it looks to see if there is sufficient evidence to take a crime to trial. If you don't HAVE any evidence, WHY would you have a Grand Jury...OR an Impeachment? Make sense?

I'll bet at least half of you barking, grassy-knoll moonbats are either under mental therapy, or have medicated for same at some time in the recent past. But I'd expect that from anyone that thinks Kucinich is lucid enough to have any say in the affairs of the common man.

Cheney vs Haliburton....

So, if Gore ran for President and won, are you saying that he couldn't do anything for the environment since he already had the movie and owns a company that does environmental business??? Would he be profiteering if he did???

See how stupid your liberal statements are???

A good cross section of the lunatic fringe on display here. Even the Loose Change nuts are well represented, including those wishing for an attack on the vice-president.

chiefpayne568, good post. But liberals don't deal with facts just the seriousness of the accusations is all that matters. No proof necesary because everone knows it is so. Do it dennis do it!

These comments show mental derangement at its worst. Kucinich, with this desperate ploy is pandering to the wackiest of you lefties for votes, and you're so blind, you actually think he believes in what he's doing. Heh. You've been punk'd.

Rick,

To so say there are no facts belies your profound ignorance.

Dems, If you don't listen to what the people said in November, you can forget 08. They want those Two, Bush and Cheney dealt with. There will be such a backlash against you by your own people. Dennis is doing what he was mandated to do in November. If your personal gain are put ahead of the people, just like the Republican, then you have also lied to the people. You claim to be for us then do what you're told.

Articles of Impeachment

of

President George W. Bush

and

Vice President Richard B. Cheney,
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice,
Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, and
Attorney General Alberto Gonzales

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors. - - ARTICLE II, SECTION 4 OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

President George W. Bush, Vice President Richard B. Cheney, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales have committed violations and subversions of the Constitution of the United States of America in an attempt to carry out with impunity crimes against peace and humanity and war crimes and deprivations of the civil rights of the people of the United States and other nations, by assuming powers of an imperial executive unaccountable to law and usurping powers of the Congress, the Judiciary and those reserved to the people of the United States, by the following acts:

1) Seizing power to wage wars of aggression in defiance of the U.S. Constitution, the U.N. Charter and the rule of law; carrying out a massive assault on and occupation of Iraq, a country that was not threatening the United States, resulting in the death and maiming of over one hundred thousand Iraqis, and thousands of U.S. G.I.s.

2) Lying to the people of the U.S., to Congress, and to the U.N., providing false and deceptive rationales for war.

3) Authorizing, ordering and condoning direct attacks on civilians, civilian facilities and locations where civilian casualties were unavoidable.

4) Instituting a secret and illegal wiretapping and spying operation against the people of the United States through the National Security Agency.

5) Threatening the independence and sovereignty of Iraq by belligerently changing its government by force and assaulting Iraq in a war of aggression.

6) Authorizing, ordering and condoning assassinations, summary executions, kidnappings, secret and other illegal detentions of individuals, torture and physical and psychological coercion of prisoners to obtain false statements concerning acts and intentions of governments and individuals and violating within the United States, and by authorizing U.S. forces and agents elsewhere, the rights of individuals under the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eighth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

7) Making, ordering and condoning false statements and propaganda about the conduct of foreign governments and individuals and acts by U.S. government personnel; manipulating the media and foreign governments with false information; concealing information vital to public discussion and informed judgment concerning acts, intentions and possession, or efforts to obtain weapons of mass destruction in order to falsely create a climate of fear and destroy opposition to U.S. wars of aggression and first strike attacks.

8) Violations and subversions of the Charter of the United Nations and international law, both a part of the "Supreme Law of the land" under Article VI, paragraph 2, of the Constitution, in an attempt to commit with impunity crimes against peace and humanity and war crimes in wars and threats of aggression against Afghanistan, Iraq and others and usurping powers of the United Nations and the peoples of its nations by bribery, coercion and other corrupt acts and by rejecting treaties, committing treaty violations, and frustrating compliance with treaties in order to destroy any means by which international law and institutions can prevent, affect, or adjudicate the exercise of U.S. military and economic power against the international community.

9) Acting to strip United States citizens of their constitutional and human rights, ordering indefinite detention of citizens, without access to counsel, without charge, and without opportunity to appear before a civil judicial officer to challenge the detention, based solely on the discretionary designation by the Executive of a citizen as an "enemy combatant."

10) Ordering indefinite detention of non-citizens in the United States and elsewhere, and without charge, at the discretionary designation of the Attorney General or the Secretary of Defense.

11) Ordering and authorizing the Attorney General to override judicial orders of release of detainees under INS jurisdiction, even where the judicial officer after full hearing determines a detainee is wrongfully held by the government.

12) Authorizing secret military tribunals and summary execution of persons who are not citizens who are designated solely at the discretion of the Executive who acts as indicting official, prosecutor and as the only avenue of appellate relief.

13) Refusing to provide public disclosure of the identities and locations of persons who have been arrested, detained and imprisoned by the U.S. government in the United States, including in response to Congressional inquiry.

14) Use of secret arrests of persons within the United States and elsewhere and denial of the right to public trials.

15) Authorizing the monitoring of confidential attorney-client privileged communications by the government, even in the absence of a court order and even where an incarcerated person has not been charged with a crime.

16) Ordering and authorizing the seizure of assets of persons in the United States, prior to hearing or trial, for lawful or innocent association with any entity that at the discretionary designation of the Executive has been deemed "terrorist."

17) Engaging in criminal neglect in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, depriving thousands of people in Louisiana, Mississippi and other Gulf States of urgently needed support, causing mass suffering and unnecessary loss of life.

18) Institutionalization of racial and religious profiling and authorization of domestic spying by federal law enforcement on persons based on their engagement in noncriminal religious and political activity.

19) Refusal to provide information and records necessary and appropriate for the constitutional right of legislative oversight of executive functions.

20) Rejecting treaties protective of peace and human rights and abrogation of the obligations of the United States under, and withdrawal from, international treaties and obligations without consent of the legislative branch, and including termination of the ABM treaty between the United States and Russia, and rescission of the authorizing signature from the Treaty of Rome which served as the basis for the International Criminal Court.

YOU MAY BELIEVE IS SANTA CLAUSE AND THE TRUTH FAIRY, BUT I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT IT IS A COINCIDENCE THAT CHENEY LEAVES HALLIBURTON TO BECOME VICE PRESIDENT , AND STARTS A WAR IN IRAQ WHICH PROVIDES BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN PROFITS TO HIS EX COMPANY, AND NOW THAT COMPANY IS MOVING TO DUBAI.

IS IT POSSIBLE THAT HALLIBURTON IS PLANNING ON REIMBURSING CHENEY FOR HIS EFFORTS, AND THAT IS WHY IT IS MOVING TO DUBAI- TO HIDE FROM AMERICAN PRYING EYES?
THE CONGRESS SHOULD APPOINT A SPECIAL INVESTIGATION TEAM TO PROBE THE CHENEY HALLIBURTON CONNECTION.

Honestly, IMPEACHMENT FOR BOTH CHENEY AND BUSH HAS LONG BEEN OVERDUE!!!!!IF IT WERE A DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT THAT HAS PUT THE COUNTRY IN THIS TYPE OF BLACK HOLE, HE WOULD HAVE LONG TIME BEEN IMPEACHED BY THE REPUBLICANS FOR LYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE,MISLEADING THE COUNTRY, RUINING THE ECONOMY,AND SHEDDING INNOCENT AMERICAN BLOOD ON THE ALTER OF POLITICAL AGGRANDIZEMENT!

THESE TWO HYPOCRITES, BUSH AND HIS CLIQUE PARTNER, CHENEY, THE WAR HAWK, HAVE THE BLOOD OF INNOCENT AMERICAN MEN AND WOMEN WHO DIED UNJUSTLY IN A MAKE-BELIEF AND FABRICATED WAR ON IRAQ IN THEIR HANDS, AND
WOULD NOT ONLY BE IMPEACHED BY HUMANS BUT BY GOD ALSO!!!!

Why is it that liberals are stupid enough to think that if they write in caps that it makes it more important??? All it does is make them look stupider than they already do.

I am sick and tired of the Democrats over-analyzing every move they make and worrying more about what will help them politically in the next election than what will help the country. They should worry more about the state of our country than protecting their own jobs. This is why Democrats can't get elected as dog catcher. They were given a rare opportunity in the last election to come in and show bold, decisive leadership and do what the vast MAJORITY (Dems and Repubs alike) want: END the Iraq war, return to a diplomacy first strategy in foreign policy, roll back the assaults on the Constitution (Patriot Act, etc) and put a leash on Cheney and Bush to prevent them from further destroying the country and tanking our economy through rampant cronyism. Well, they blew it. If they lose next election, it won't be because they were too aggressive or ambitious, it will be because they will have once again proven that they are too wishy-washy, flip-floppy and spineless to be trusted with leading us. And really, there is a pretty good argument that they can't be.

The world Kucinich is living in is called REALITY. The DC establishment world is where the real fantasy is. In that world, people we bomb into submission will greet us as liberators and grovel at our feet for rescuing them from Saddam and replacing him with a civil war in which they have less money, saftey, personal freedoms, etc. than they did under Saddam. They will thank us that we stopped the brutal torture under Saddam, even though Abu Ghurayb still operates as usual, just under different management.

In the REAL world, when Bush told people about God directing him to bomb people -- he'd be deemed a danger to others and committed to a mental institution. When Cheney persisted in his delusions of grandeur which assert that the laws of the US don't apply to him because of the concept of the unitary executive -- he'd be committed, too, and treated for a psychopathic personality disorder. In the DC world -- mental illness is an asset, not a liability.

If the Democrats want to take the Republican's advice and back off of impeachment calls because it would "destroy" the country (yeah, like that stopped them from going after Clinton for an extramarital affair -- not real crimes, say like defying the Geneva conventions, nulling habeus corpus, etc), go ahead and wimp out. After all, that is pretty much what everyone is expecting them to do.

I say we all vote Republican in the next election. Why keep the US limping along with a timid Democrat in the White House? It will take strong leadership to undo the damage Bush has done. Why not just elect another Republican? That way we can speed up the inevitable demise of the US -- it'll be a lot more painful to drag it out. Plus, we'll only be getting what we deserve. The Repubs for voting and supporting such an evil, anti-American regime and the Dems for not having the balls to do anything about it.

I'm not wearing any pants.

You have to ask yourself with all the crimes they have committed, how do they remain in power? It defies all reason.

Our last president Impeached for a personal indiscretion while this present group of usurpers continue to bleed our country of all its precious assets. How is it possible?

Who is really running this country. The boy king couldn't possibly be. Who is really behind the madness?

Hey RJ, typical liberal ploy. Can't deal with facts so deal with the messenger. Liberal implosion is pending, can't wait. Do it Dennis do it!

Everyone who lives, works or goes to school with Franco Frank better back away! I think his head is about to explode.

moonbats

I keep on hearing about all these "crimes" being committed by Bush... I still find they provide no proof of crimes... just their beliefs that crimes have been committed.

Hey Scarlett, Didn't democrats co-author the Patriot act??? Jeez, don't you just hate when reality intrudes on your fantasies???

I second the motion!

I find it extremely ironic that the people we elected into government didn't hesitate to attempt to impeach Clinton for using his "tools" inappropriately, yet when Bush and Cheney are being deceptive, lying, and using an unproven blanket of "Weapons of mass destruction" as a quip to go into war to benefit their own stocks in oil companies that the government couldn't have acted on both Cheney and Bush to get them out of here before the Middle East kills us all!!! When Clinton was boinking Monica, that didn't pose any sort of security threat to this country. Now we're in the worst position we've been in in DECADES, thanks to people just turning their heads to the subject when we all knew it was WRONG right from the beginning. IMPEACH THEM BOTH!!!

It seems like a great idea to disenfranchise at least 51% of the voters in America! I think it's a great marketing idea Dennis, you gotta go for it! Oh yeah and don't forget, Clinton didn't get impeached because of his "indiscretions", he was impeached for lying under federal oath and attempting to try and have others lie under oath as well. Good luck Dennis and we enjoy it so very much when the real voice and soul of the left comes out to play! Keep up the good work Dems with trying to overwrite the CONSTITUTION!

JoanR

Here. Let me make your day.
http://www.peaceinspace.com/pb_speeches.shtml

Dennis Kucinich is living proof that the jackass is the ideal symbol of the Democrat party! If members of Congress would spend their time addressing issues of violence, gun availability, safety standards in public institutions and things that are actually of interest to us voter / taxpayers - instead of harrassing the administration and playing childish "gotcha" games for political points, the incident at Virginia Tech might not have occurred.

I think it is high time someone start an impeachment process on this administration.

My concern is Carl Rove. If Cheney is impeached, could Bush appoint Rove as the VP?

Couldn't they both be impeached at the same time?

Please respond to MargaretMH1960@Aol.Com

Actions like Rep. Kucinich's and all other sorts of intemperate and grandstanding voices that seem to dominate politics today will, if we are not careful, be the first shots in the coming American Civil War.

Its high time the 60's people who are now generally in control of most civil institutions (from both parties) do the growing up they so desperately need and start being the adults and statemen and women we so desperately need.

If they don't its quite possible that one day someone, wallowing in a sea of the childish name calling, bitter partisanship, and utter selfishness reflected in so many of our leaders and so many of the people commenting on this article, will do something terrible and a cycle of violence will begins which cannot be stopped.

We are all free to disagree and debate the issues but we all have as part and parcel of that right the responsibility to be civil and decent with each other. The screamers out there on all sides need to, frankly, grow up, get qa life, and if they can't do that at least shut thier mouths until they show they have the ability to deal with others as humans.

I can't fathom how crazy some of you people are. It's too bad that your hatred of the President and Vice-President is such that you would advocate these extreme measures based upon no evidence. Some of these posts are downright insane, and a good many reveal the hysterical nature of the Far Left in this country. It is laughable that you Ultra-Libs, Progressives, Socialists, or whatever you call yourselves are so willing to attack the Vice-President, yet you are unwilling to turn that same microscope upon Left-leaning Dems.

It's bad enough that you loons have all but convinced the world that 'global warming' is perpetuated by man, and not by changing magnetic fields and other such rational and scientific explanations. Worse yet, the same histrionics exhibited by today's eviro-wackos were used by the nuts in the late 60's to predict a population explosion, (which should have made the world uninhabitable by today--didn't happen), and by the junk scientists in the 70's to predict a new Ice Age. Ironically, some of those same scientists who predicted global cooling with such authority are now speaking with equal exhuberance about global warming. And that has environmentalists scrambling to link the two in order to have some coherence in thought, with the overriding theme of "Western consumerism is bad, America is bad, Vice-President Cheney is the Devil (without regard to any real religious significance), and we can save Mother Earth by all of us shopping at farmer's markets and smoking weed."

Please, Liberal Nuts, just admit it for once. Admit openly that you don't truly believe that President Bush and his ilk are causing problems for the world, and you have to rise in defense of us. Admit the truth, that you believe the world is flawed, Western ideals are flawed, and the you're going to hate anyone that disagrees with you. A bit of honesty from the Progressive Left would be a refeshing change...

You know that this is something really important, good and very threatening to high-level criminal officials inside (and out) the Bush administration, when people post distractionary links to intel-owned disinformation 9/11 websites such as whatreallyhappened and loosechange, in a "people who are for Impeachment are into nonsense like the majority of the content found at these websites" discreditory effort. It is laughable. Go Kucinich! Knock down Cheney, then knock down Bush. The compromised and/or criminally complicit Democratic leadership such as Nancy Pelosi aren't going to like this, but Go Kucinich!

You can tell that liberals don't deal with reality when they won't admit even to themselves that they will never be able to get a super majority to support the impeachment.

But hey, they can always dream.

I cannot believe that no liberals are defending Cheney! He is a loving father of a same sex couple and he is even happy for them having a child!!!

Why do liberals and the far left hate Cheney again?

"It is too bad the shooter at VT spent all of his mojo on students and faculty." - mmather

That comment is going to get you watched.

What a bunch of morons.

Advocating the death of anyone is serious. Maybe you should impeach yourselves from society.

Impeach Bush. When Cheney takes over the job as Prez his ticker won't be able to handle the strain and it will be a quick trip to Arlington Cemetary for that low-life sob.

You people who are always criticizing the President are nuts. Kucinich is an embarrassment to the State of Ohio. He can only get elected in Cleveland just like Hilary can only get elected in New York. If you don't like it in America,leave...

I want to say to the ultra-nationalist, neo-fascist bone headed Republicans that find GWB and DC to be their ultimate hero's in their life have a deficiencie or lack of cujoness, so, the way for you to make it up is to show your war machine brawn instead, kind of like growing beer muscles. Your mouths are filled with the same junk that your fascist leadership spews out, and, expectations are that when you speak and say the same garbage and repeat the same thing over and over from your budd buddies (i.e. "cut and run" ) that you can actually program people to beleive what your saying and to follow you into hell and back. Those times are over !! I want you to know something, when you start a new phrase and everyone repeats that same phrase, us democrats LAUGH, we know you have no individual thought patterns for yourselves and you think that if you can sound like a majority that all Americans will follow....WRONG. Your deceptions,lies and NON-Compassion for AMERICANS will NOT go unpunished. If I had it my way I would throw the likes of not only our political leadership but, the corporate leadership (which has bilked millions out of hard working people and to give nothing in return) to trial as well. My question is, "When you are rich and can afford anything you want, how much is enough... No really HOW MUCH IS ENOUGH?" The young, poor, needy, handicapped, single mothers, veterans and all of the rest who actually make the true moral fabric of the country have had enough of your smart mouthed, unthoughtful and uncaring words, but, most of all greed ! Republicans have stopped me from my pusuit of life(good paying job), liberty(illegal phone tapping) and my pusuit of happiness(a house,vacation,etc) as well as millions of Americans. To Impeach the Vice President and the President should only be a small part of the beginning,and, what should follow are the trials of all the corporate executives who have been gauging the needy and poor and middle class all for the sake of HUGE profits(spurred by this administration), not just a good profit which would be acceptable because as Americans we all wish for success ,but, HUGE and OUTRAGEOUS profits that make Americans sick (especially not paying your FAIR share of taxes). We have had enough of big oil, and still ask "why can't you build more refineries?" but, we do know.. it's because you need it for an excuse to gauge us. Those same executives are the only ones behind the denial of global warming, and, why is that? because they do not want any change from their companies of fossil fuels to save the earth. The oil executives should go to jail as a cell mate to Dick Cheney and his Boy George !!! So try to belittle us more Mr. Right Wing Republican and your days anywhere as an elected official in the DC area will become limited. Go and get them Dennis, and, America will be greatfull, throw the people who are selling out our country to others in jail (politicians and corporate executives) IMPEACH DICK CHENEY NOW!!

It is time the American people realized that they need to identify the individuals and institutions that are the source of their suffering and then ridding themselves of the cancer.

How the WaPo allow publication of the E-mails calling for the VP to be assassinated as this e-mail above propose.:

"It is too bad the shooter at VT spent all of his mojo on students and faculty.
Posted by: mmather | April 17, 2007 11:20 AM"

That is a crime
Are you sick people?

What mental institution did Fosk escape from???

the stupidity of people here who think they have anything on this admin for impeachment just shows how dumb liberals really are - "they lied to us" is the same tired diatribe of the ignorant - proven again and again and again to be false - but when you're stupid, i guess thats all you got.

The Fosk,

How many times do we have to tell you:
Don't drink the bongwater!

I live in an area that is surrounded by the Navy and I am very proud of the job they do. We should all make it a point of going up to military members, shake their hands and let them know "We thank you for what you do"!
With all this talk about impeachment, it shows our country is divided. This would be the perfect opportunity to fall under attack similar to 9/11. We need to stand together as a nation and show our enemies that we will not allow that to happen on our soil again! Let us all show our pride
as citizens of the United States of America!

Reading the majority of these comments makes me believe that most of the people responding here must be government employees. Having the time to listen to Kucinich and to support him is further evidence of inside the beltway mentality....it also serves as evidence to the lack of work productivity within government. Read The Federalist Papers and the Constitution. Stop looking for government to do everything for you. Stop .....WHINING!

Finally, a solution to all our problems! Do this, and Iraq will become a wonderful place to live. It will stop the erosion of the dollar. National Debt will be wiped out too! The idea will even remove carbon dioxide from the air and we will enjoy lovely weather forever. The best thing is, we will have a country where nobody blames their problems on other people

I WAS A LIFELONG REPUBLICAN WHOSE PARTY WAS HIJACKED BY HIGH SPENDING, THIEVING CONGRESSMEN AND PRESIDENT WHO SQUANDERED OUR NATIONAL WEALTH, DEVALUED OUR CURRENCY BY A THIRD WHICH IS WORSE THEN A HUGH TAX INCREASE, PUT OUR NATION IN DEEP DEBT, AND SENT OUR BOYS TO DEATH AND DISABILITY BY THE THOUSANDS IN A NONSENSICAL AND UNWARRANTED WAR IN IRAQ WHICH I BELIEVE WAS FOR THE BENEFIT OF HALLIBURTON.
MY FELLOW REPUBLICANS, IF YOU STILL BELIEVE IN YOUR REPUBLICAN LEADERS IN THE WHITE HOUSE YOU ARE DUMBER AND MORE STUBBORN THEN A DONKEY.
I WISH THAT THE PRESIDENT AND CHENEY COULD BE IMPEACHED FOR THEIR INCOMPETENCE ALONE, BUT CHENEY'S RELATIONSHIP WITH HALLIBURTON IS GROUND ENOUGH FOR ME!

RJ,

Ok...let's look at your evidence.

1) Seizing power to wage wars of aggression in defiance of the U.S. Constitution, the U.N. Charter and the rule of law; carrying out a massive assault on and occupation of Iraq, a country that was not threatening the United States, resulting in the death and maiming of over one hundred thousand Iraqis, and thousands of U.S. G.I.s.

ANSWER: WAR was declared by CONGRESS hence this statement is totally inaccurate. Congress approved the Iraqi War Resolution. Irrelevant statement.

2) Lying to the people of the U.S., to Congress, and to the U.N., providing false and deceptive rationales for war.

If the evidence was incorrect then so was every other countries intelligence reports, so if the President's rationales were incorrect, it was due to the information provided him by the Intelligence networks world-wide. This was proven and so is NOT an Impeachable offense.

3) Authorizing, ordering and condoning direct attacks on civilians, civilian facilities and locations where civilian casualties were unavoidable.

There are two rule in War - Rule one: People die (including innocents), Rule two: You cannot change Rule One. The inherent problem is the enemy HIDES behind civilians...there is NO other way to get to the enemy. Further, this is not an impeachable offense as the war was declared.

4) Instituting a secret and illegal wiretapping and spying operation against the people of the United States through the National Security Agency.

Instituted by Presidental Executive Order - presidence set by earlier Presidental Executive orders - currently awaiting court battle to determine legality of said wiretapping - AGAIN irrelevant as it has not been proven illegal and was done by Executive order which is in keeping with rights reserved for the Executive branch.

5) Threatening the independence and sovereignty of Iraq by belligerently changing its government by force and assaulting Iraq in a war of aggression.

Precedence set for WWII (i.e. Japan)...further, a government was required and was setup by the MAJORITY in the country. Irrelevant and non-impeachable actions.

6) Authorizing, ordering and condoning assassinations, summary executions, kidnappings, secret and other illegal detentions of individuals, torture and physical and psychological coercion of prisoners to obtain false statements concerning acts and intentions of governments and individuals and violating within the United States, and by authorizing U.S. forces and agents elsewhere, the rights of individuals under the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eighth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

ANSWER: Totally false statement. ANY torture done was, once discovered, were prosecuted. Further, detainment of foreign nationals were NOT in violation with said Amendments as these are rights covered for US Citizens. Further, the Univerals Declaration of Human Right and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights do NOT cover POWs nor terrorists.

7) Making, ordering and condoning false statements and propaganda about the conduct of foreign governments and individuals and acts by U.S. government personnel; manipulating the media and foreign governments with false information; concealing information vital to public discussion and informed judgment concerning acts, intentions and possession, or efforts to obtain weapons of mass destruction in order to falsely create a climate of fear and destroy opposition to U.S. wars of aggression and first strike attacks.

ANSWER: Your evidence of the above IS...! As for the WMD everyone is so concerned about, it is documented there were missles with Sarin gas in them. Sarin gas IS listed as a chemical weapon and is deadly...and all WMD contain NBC (Nuclear, Biological, and CHEMICAL) weapons.

8) Violations and subversions of the Charter of the United Nations and international law, both a part of the "Supreme Law of the land" under Article VI, paragraph 2, of the Constitution, in an attempt to commit with impunity crimes against peace and humanity and war crimes in wars and threats of aggression against Afghanistan, Iraq and others and usurping powers of the United Nations and the peoples of its nations by bribery, coercion and other corrupt acts and by rejecting treaties, committing treaty violations, and frustrating compliance with treaties in order to destroy any means by which international law and institutions can prevent, affect, or adjudicate the exercise of U.S. military and economic power against the international community.

ANSWER: Enforcement of said treaty with Saddam was NOT being done by the UN...hence the Iraqi Freedom war was done. This war WAS in compliance with the treaty setup between Saddam and the UN.

9) Acting to strip United States citizens of their constitutional and human rights, ordering indefinite detention of citizens, without access to counsel, without charge, and without opportunity to appear before a civil judicial officer to challenge the detention, based solely on the discretionary designation by the Executive of a citizen as an "enemy combatant."

ANSWER: War Powers entitle the President to suspend civilian rights with reguard to the above where appropriate.

10) Ordering indefinite detention of non-citizens in the United States and elsewhere, and without charge, at the discretionary designation of the Attorney General or the Secretary of Defense.

ANSWER: Said non-citizens were detained as prisoners of war in that they were enemies of said war. No status specifically of POW was available as said non-citizens would specify which government they were a part of.

11) Ordering and authorizing the Attorney General to override judicial orders of release of detainees under INS jurisdiction, even where the judicial officer after full hearing determines a detainee is wrongfully held by the government.

ANSWER: Presidential war powers - already answered.

12) Authorizing secret military tribunals and summary execution of persons who are not citizens who are designated solely at the discretion of the Executive who acts as indicting official, prosecutor and as the only avenue of appellate relief.

ANSWER: Your evidence of the above IS...!

13) Refusing to provide public disclosure of the identities and locations of persons who have been arrested, detained and imprisoned by the U.S. government in the United States, including in response to Congressional inquiry.

ANSWER: Presidental War Powers.

14) Use of secret arrests of persons within the United States and elsewhere and denial of the right to public trials.

ANSWER: Provide evidence.

15) Authorizing the monitoring of confidential attorney-client privileged communications by the government, even in the absence of a court order and even where an incarcerated person has not been charged with a crime.

ANSWER: And is incarcerated person a US citizen?

16) Ordering and authorizing the seizure of assets of persons in the United States, prior to hearing or trial, for lawful or innocent association with any entity that at the discretionary designation of the Executive has been deemed "terrorist."

ANSWER: Provided by Executive Order and precedence set from previous Presidental Administrations.

17) Engaging in criminal neglect in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, depriving thousands of people in Louisiana, Mississippi and other Gulf States of urgently needed support, causing mass suffering and unnecessary loss of life.

ANSWER: Irrelevant and incorrect. Neglect was on the Mayor of New Orleans and the Governor of Lousiana as they have primary responsibility for emergency managment teams on the ground.

18) Institutionalization of racial and religious profiling and authorization of domestic spying by federal law enforcement on persons based on their engagement in noncriminal religious and political activity.

ANSWER: A requirement as the enemy in this sanctioned war is of a specific ethnicity - further part of Presidental War Powers.

19) Refusal to provide information and records necessary and appropriate for the constitutional right of legislative oversight of executive functions.

ANSWER: Precedence set from previous Administrations to provide Congress information and records subject to Presidential discretion of affect on on-going war.

20) Rejecting treaties protective of peace and human rights and abrogation of the obligations of the United States under, and withdrawal from, international treaties and obligations without consent of the legislative branch, and including termination of the ABM treaty between the United States and Russia, and rescission of the authorizing signature from the Treaty of Rome which served as the basis for the International Criminal Court.

ANSWER: After the dissolution of the Soviet Union in December 1991 the status of the treaty became unclear, debated by members of Congress and professors of law, Succession of the ABM Treaty,State Succession and the Legal Status of the ABM Treaty, and Miron-Feith Memorandum. In 1997, a memorandum of understanding[5] between the US and four of the former USSR states was signed and subject to ratification by each signatory, however it was not presented to the US Senate for advice and consent by Bill Clinton. President Bush decided to pull out of said treaty - Presidental authority. Same for Treaty of Rome which had been signed by Bill Clinton in 2000 but had NOT been presented to the Senate. Under the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, a treaty can be accepted by a variety of means, including signature ad referendum. Most treaties, including the Treaty of Rome, require ratification before they are fully binding on the State Party concerned - and this is certainly the case for the Treaty of Rome.

All said, NOTHING provided here is sufficient cause for Impeachment - NOTHING.

Care to try again?

Who's to say Bush and Cheney should not be impeached?

Apparently a majority of Americans believe they have been lied to, deceived, and duped by this secretive group of clubby corporatists posing as the heads of American government. This group has distinguished itself by being the most secretive, authoritarian, and mendacious administration in recent history, perhaps in the entire history of America, overstepping their authority and claiming it is theirs to overstep.

We are not part of a proud history when we refuse to allow a process of inquiry and censure that was designed for the current situation we find ourselves in, to be carried out by numerous willing participants.

We cannot impeach now because Republicans made a mockery of the process in the 1990's? This is the most self-deceptive logic there is. Isn't this the same as saying, "we cannot put suspected criminals on trial anymore because there have been unjust trials where innocent people have been wrongfully punished?" I can assure you that this is not the case out here in America.

It's time to get a clue, DC Democrats. You're part of America. You know you are.

Hey RJ,
Nice list. Too bad the UN and ICC items don't apply to the US Constitution. The rest seems to be your opinion because Presidential findings cover most of it or you are incorrect on your constitutional law. No court has ruled his actions illegal. Unconstitutional maybe, which is hardly the same thing.
Like I said, this is more like Huffpo or Kos than a newspaper web page.

"Impeach Bush. When Cheney takes over the job as Prez his ticker won't be able to handle the strain and it will be a quick trip to Arlington Cemetary for that low-life sob." - BC Bud

Another anonymous moron wishing the VP dead.

A case for impeachment is very strong. I quote Rep. John Conyers in his ongoing report of potential Bush Administration crimes:

"The misconduct found is not only serious, but widespread. The laws implicated by the Bush administration's actions include federal laws against making false statements to congress; federal laws and international treaties, such as the Geneva Convention, prohibiting torture and cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment; federal laws concerning retaliating against witnesses and other government employees; Executive Orders concerning leaking and other misuse of intelligence; federal regulations and ethical requirements governing conflicts of interest; FISA laws; communications privacy laws; the National Security Act; and the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution. All told, some 26 separate laws and regulations have been implicated by the actions of various individuals within the Bush administration. Significantly, none of the misconduct has been independently reviewed by the Executive Branch, Congress or the Courts."

Impeachment will never result in a conviction in the Senate, as the GOP representatives will not allow it, but it would at least allow the facts to be presented to the Nation and the world in hopes of preventing such abuses from happening again in the future.

This shouldn't be a partisan issue. It's about the good of the Nation now and in the future, no matter which party holds the White House.

At what point do we stop being Republicans and Democrats and start being Americans? Our Nation is crumbling while we bicker about nonsense.

Republican and Democratic supporters need to start holding their representatives accountable instead of merely making excuses for their inept "leadership."

Jim,

"Our last president Impeached for a personal indiscretion while this present group of usurpers continue to bleed our country of all its precious assets. How is it possible?"

It's possible because our last President was impeached NOT for a personal indiscretion but because he LIED UNDER OATH AKA PERJURY. By the way, perjury is worse than burglery and assault under our laws and is punishable up to 5 years federal time. Frankly, Clinton was lucky he didn't get worse punishment and incredibly lucky he wasn't ousted from office by the Senate.

Oh, and President Bush has not committed any High Crimes or Misdemeanors to be impeached.

"Definitely!! He certainly should be impeached for his 6 years of intentionally lying to the American people about many things, the list is endless."

I would personally be interested in seeing this endless list you talk about.....

That's what I am talking about, Pepsiholic and juliannd who would have you beleive "mental institution and bongwater" all key words of misdirection. Just to let you two losers know, I am a disabled Veteran whom as Republicans you so adore (liars). I so willing to lay down my life for selfish monsters of the likes of you two. You must be either children of the rich or just rich by proxy. You the ones who now judge me and don't know me and who have probably NEVER served in the military are the same ones I spoke of above most likely. So NO I am neither Mental or on Drugs but thank-you for the nicety like the great republican people you claim to be.

Thomas,

If a case for impeachment is so strong, WHY haven't the Democrats MADE one to date? Answer, because the case hasn't even been MADE, much less strong.

I WELCOME the Democrats trying to make a case...LET them. And when it fails, as it surely must, they will look ridiculous.

BTW, look at my previous posts for an explaination why I believe it will never happen.

Whether true or not, the narrowly impeachable offense of perjury is discussed here and there on the web, as a bit of research reveals.

This regards the VP's sworn testimony to the 9/11 Commission.

Now why would a Vice President fail to tell the truth under such circumstances? Perhaps this was simply a lapse of memory.

Regards

http://www.realitytest.com/see.htm

The Fosk,

I just got back from Afghanistan and am currently STILL in the National Guard. I served proudly there and would go again in a heartbeat if called.

I have NO problems with people giving their opinions but if they say they would like to have a sitting President impeached, I would like to know the charge given. "He lied to me" ISN'T sufficient UNLESS he was under oath (as Bill Clinton was). However, I am willing to listen if you have logical arguments to the contrary.

And thank you for your service to our country. I've known many a brave soul like you and am proud to count myself among your number.

Fosk

Although I disagree with absolutely everything you say, I would personally like to thank you for your service. I am a huge supporter of the US military and appreciate everything that the members have sacrificed for the welfare of all of us.

CPscott,

Remember who we are talking about and the timeframe in which the questions are being asked about. Can you remember every detail of everything that happened to you so long ago?

Frankly, I think it's AMAZING these people can remember as much as they do.

RICHARD B. CHENEY'S ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT:
Article I
In his conduct while Vice President of the United States, Richard B. Cheney, in violation of his oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic, has conspired to exceed his constitutional authority to wage war, in that:
Richard B. Cheney has violated the U.N. Charter, Article 2, paragraph 4, by threatening the use of force against the territorial integrity and political independence of Iran. Richard B. Cheney's threat of force against Iran has included the possibility of nuclear force. Article VI of the United States Constitution makes the U.N. Charter the law of the land.
These violations of the law pose a grave threat to the national security of the United States. Wherefore Richard B. Cheney, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial.
Article II
In his conduct while Vice President of the United States, Richard B. Cheney, in violation of his oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic, has conspired to exceed his constitutional authority to wage war, in that:
Richard B. Cheney has subverted the Constitution, its guarantee of a republican form of government, and the constitutional separation of powers by undermining the rightful authority of Congress to declare war, oversee foreign affairs, and make appropriations. He did so by justifying a war with false and misleading statements and deceived the people of the United States as well as Congress. He denied the electorate the right to make an informed choice and thereby undermined democracy.
Richard B. Cheney also committed fraud against the United States by lying to and intentionally misleading Congress about the reasons for the Iraq war. Cheney pressured intelligence services to produce false and misleading reports, and Cheney used those reports to mislead the Congress and the people of the United States.
Richard B. Cheney acted contrary to his trust as Vice President, and subverted the constitutional government to the prejudice of law and justice and the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore Richard B. Cheney, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial.
Article III
In his conduct while Vice President of the United States, Richard B. Cheney, in violation of his oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic, has arrogated excessive power to the executive branch in violation of basic constitutional principles of the separation of powers.
Richard B. Cheney and his subordinates have advocated for a legal theory of the "unitary executive" aimed at placing the President above the rule of law. Wherefore Richard B. Cheney, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial.
Article IV
In his conduct while Vice President of the United States, Richard B. Cheney, in violation of his oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic, has violated the rights of citizens and non-citizens by arbitrarily detaining them indefinitely inside and outside of the United States, without due process, without charges, and with limited, if any, access to counsel or courts.
Richard B. Cheney has condoned torture, failed to investigate and prosecute high-level officials responsible for torture, and officially refused to accept the binding nature of a statutory ban on cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment.
Richard B. Cheney has offended our system of government by attempting to expand executive power at the expense of the other two branches of government. Wherefore Richard B. Cheney, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial.
Article V
In his conduct while Vice President of the United States, Richard B. Cheney, in violation of his oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic, has sought to mislead the people of the United States and the Congress by hiding information without justification, selectively releasing misleading pieces of information, threatening officials with retribution should they reveal information, and exacting retribution against whistle blowers.
Richard B. Cheney has abused his power by conspiring to reveal the identity of a covert agent of the Central Intelligence Agency and the front-group she worked for. Wherefore Richard B. Cheney, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial.
Article VI
In his conduct while Vice President of the United States, Richard B. Cheney, in violation of his oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic, has maintained an improper and unethical relationship with his former employers at Halliburton and has promoted its agenda and interests over those of the American people.
Richard B. Cheney has allowed a small group of corporate executives to plan national policies in secret, and enacted policies that benefited a corporation from which the Vice President financially profited.
(1) In January 2001, the vice president did oversee a secret task force composed of corporate lobbyists and executives from the oil, gas, coal, and nuclear-energy sector, known collectively as the National Energy Policy Development Group, instructing them to meet regularly and develop the nation's energy policy.
(2) By conducting these meetings in secret, the vice president did endeavor to impart influence to corporate interests without public knowledge, eclipsing not only the oversight function of Congress generally but the specific role of the energy committees in both the House of Representatives and the Senate.
(3) During the course of these secret meetings, the vice president allowed lobbyists representing the oil, coal, gas, and nuclear-energy industries to compose, word-for-word, the national energy policy adopted by the Department of Energy, in gross violation of the public trust and all ethical norms.
On March 25, 2002, and thereafter, the Vice President did willfully disobey court orders to identify the members of the National Energy Policy Development Group. In September 2002, and prior thereto, the Vice President did also refuse requests by Representatives Henry Waxman and John Dingell, as well as the Government Accountability Office, to release transcripts and papers produced by the aforementioned group. Wherefore Richard B. Cheney, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial.

Who's Dennis Kucinich?

Abel, Kuchinich has balls? Peaceniks don't have balls.

chiefpayne

Thank you, also, for your service!

GEORGE W. BUSH'S ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT
Article I
In his conduct while President of the United States, George W. Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has conspired to exceed his constitutional authority to wage war, in that:
George W. Bush has violated the U.N. Charter, Article 2, paragraph 4, by threatening the use of force against the territorial integrity and political independence of Iran. Bush's threat of force against Iran has included the possibility of nuclear force. Bush has secretly supported preliminary acts of war within Iran with neither approval from nor funding by Congress.
Bush has initiated the development of new nuclear weapons, in violation of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Article VI of the United States Constitution makes the U.N. Charter and the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty the law of the land.
These violations of the law pose a grave threat to the national security of the United States. Wherefore George W. Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial.
Article II
In his conduct while President of the United States, George W. Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has conspired to exceed his constitutional authority to wage war, in that:
George W. Bush has subverted the Constitution, its guarantee of a republican form of government, and the constitutional separation of powers by undermining the rightful authority of Congress to declare war, oversee foreign affairs, and make appropriations. He did so by justifying a war with false and misleading statements and deceived the people of the United States as well as Congress. He denied the electorate the right to make an informed choice and thereby undermined democracy.
George W. Bush also committed fraud against the United States by lying to and intentionally misleading Congress about the reasons for the Iraq war.
George W. Bush also misappropriated funds with which to conduct the preliminary stages of this war, prior to receiving any funding or any form of authorization from Congress.
George W. Bush, in violation of the United Nations Charter, which is the law of the land under the U.S. Constitution, Article VI, launched an aggressive war neither in self-defense nor under authorization of the UN Security Council.
George W. Bush acted contrary to his trust as president, and subverted the constitutional government to the prejudice of law and justice and the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore George W. Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial.
Article III
In his conduct while President of the United States, George W. Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has allowed the U.S. military to violate treaties to which the United States is party and has failed to investigate and prosecute high-level officials responsible for these abuse.
These violations include the targeting of civilians, journalists, and medical personnel, and the illegal use of a variety of weapons, including:
-Land mines, used in Afghanistan and Iraq in violation of Geneva Conventions Protocol I, Article 85, and Protocol II of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons;
-Cluster bombs, used in Afghanistan and Iraq in violation of Geneva Conventions Protocol I, Article 85, and Protocol I of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons;
-Depleted uranium munitions, used in Afghanistan and Iraq in violation of Geneva Conventions Protocol 1, Articles 35.2, 35.3, 48 and 55.1;
-Napalm or Mark 77 Firebomb, used in Iraq in violation of the Chemical Weapons Convention, Article II.1.b;
-White phosphorous, which Defense Department spokesman Lieutenant-Colonel Barry Venable confirmed on November 15, 2005 was deployed "as an incendiary weapon' in urban areas of Fallujah, Iraq, where there were high concentrations of civilians, during Operation Phantom Fury (November 2004-January 2005), making the said deployment of white phosphorous a violation of the Chemical Weapons Convention, Article II.1.b;
-BLU-82B/C-130 "daisy cutter' bombs, used in Afghanistan in violation of Geneva Conventions Protocol I, Articles 35, 48, 51 and 55.
Wherefore George W. Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial.
Article IV
In his conduct while President of the United States, George W. Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has directed or authorized the National Security Agency and various other agencies within the intelligence community to conduct electronic surveillance outside of the statutes Congress has prescribed as the exclusive means for such surveillance, and to use such information for purposes unknown but unrelated to any lawful function of his office; he has also concealed the existence of this unlawful program of electronic surveillance from Congress, the press, and the public. Wherefore George W. Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial.
Article V
In his conduct while President of the United States, George W. Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has arrogated excessive power to the executive branch in violation of basic constitutional principles of the separation of powers.
George W. Bush has formally declared his intent to violate the laws enacted by Congress by appending a "signing statement" to legislation, asserting his right to carve out exceptions to legislation as he sees fit, thereby arrogating to himself powers reserved solely to Congress. George W. Bush has, in several instances, gone on to act on his self-declared right to violate these laws. Wherefore George W. Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial.
Article VI
In his conduct while President of the United States, George W. Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has violated the rights of citizens and non-citizens by arbitrarily detaining them indefinitely inside and outside of the United States, without due process, without charges, and with limited, if any, access to counsel or courts.
George W. Bush has abused his power and failed to faithfully execute the laws of the United States by allowing his administration to condone torture, failing to investigate and prosecute high-level officials responsible for torture, and officially refusing to accept the binding nature of a statutory ban on cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment.
George W. Bush has offended our system of government by attempting to expand his power at the expense of the other two branches of government. Wherefore George W. Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial.
Article VII
In his conduct while President of the United States, George W. Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has allowed his administration to fire United States Attorneys in retaliation for the proper performance of their jobs when that performance conflicted with the partisan interests of the President, and has failed to investigate and prosecute high-level officials responsible for this abuse. Wherefore George W. Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial.
Article VIII
In his conduct while President of the United States, George W. Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has sought to mislead the people of the United States and the Congress by hiding information without justification, selectively releasing misleading pieces of information, funding misleading journalism, producing misleading video reports falsely presented as independent journalism, using the U.S. military to target journalists in Iraq, threatening officials with retribution should they reveal information, and exacting retribution against whistle blowers.
George W. Bush has abused his power and failed to faithfully execute the laws of the United States by allowing his administration to reveal the identity of a covert agent of the Central Intelligence Agency and the front-group she worked for, and by failing to investigate and prosecute high-level officials responsible for this security breach. Wherefore George W. Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial.
Article IX
In his conduct while President of the United States, George W. Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has failed to take reasonable steps to protect the City of New Orleans from Hurricane Katrina, and intentionally misled the American people regarding this failure. Wherefore George W. Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial.

chiefpayne568:
The case is overwhelming but the gutless Democrats are more concerned with playing politics then performing their constitutional obligations.

Fosk, Once again, you are wrong. I served in the military for 8 years, USS Woodrow Wilson and Simon Bolivar. Now I'm out of the navy and making close to 6 figures thanks to the training I got in the Navy.

Thomas

Article I: Richard B. Cheney has violated the U.N. Charter, Article 2, paragraph 4, by threatening the use of force against the territorial integrity and political independence of Iran.

Answer: Irrelevant. Making threats of force against a foreign country is NOT an impeachable offense.

Article 2 - Richard B. Cheney has subverted the Constitution, its guarantee of a republican form of government, and the constitutional separation of powers by undermining the rightful authority of Congress to declare war, oversee foreign affairs, and make appropriations. He did so by justifying a war with false and misleading statements and deceived the people of the United States as well as Congress. He denied the electorate the right to make an informed choice and thereby undermined democracy.

Answer - Already said this but the world wide intelligence given at that time said SPECIFICALLY what was given to Congress, who by the way, had the SAME intelligence information and voted accordingly.

Article 3 - Richard B. Cheney and his subordinates have advocated for a legal theory of the "unitary executive" aimed at placing the President above the rule of law.

Answer - Advocacy is NOT an impeachable offense, even IF true.

Article 4 - Richard B. Cheney has condoned torture, failed to investigate and prosecute high-level officials responsible for torture, and officially refused to accept the binding nature of a statutory ban on cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment.
Richard B. Cheney has offended our system of government by attempting to expand executive power at the expense of the other two branches of government.

Answer: None of which has been supported by evidence NOR shown to support Impeachment. However, War Powers provide expanded power to the Executive during times of war.

Article 5 - Richard B. Cheney has abused his power by conspiring to reveal the identity of a covert agent of the Central Intelligence Agency and the front-group she worked for.

Answer: ALREADY proven to be UNTRUE in court.

Article 6 - Richard B. Cheney has allowed a small group of corporate executives to plan national policies in secret, and enacted policies that benefited a corporation from which the Vice President financially profited.
(1) In January 2001, the vice president did oversee a secret task force composed of corporate lobbyists and executives from the oil, gas, coal, and nuclear-energy sector, known collectively as the National Energy Policy Development Group, instructing them to meet regularly and develop the nation's energy policy.
(2) By conducting these meetings in secret, the vice president did endeavor to impart influence to corporate interests without public knowledge, eclipsing not only the oversight function of Congress generally but the specific role of the energy committees in both the House of Representatives and the Senate.
(3) During the course of these secret meetings, the vice president allowed lobbyists representing the oil, coal, gas, and nuclear-energy industries to compose, word-for-word, the national energy policy adopted by the Department of Energy, in gross violation of the public trust and all ethical norms.
On March 25, 2002, and thereafter, the Vice President did willfully disobey court orders to identify the members of the National Energy Policy Development Group. In September 2002, and prior thereto, the Vice President did also refuse requests by Representatives Henry Waxman and John Dingell, as well as the Government Accountability Office, to release transcripts and papers produced by the aforementioned group.

Answer: Presidental authority allows the Executive to withhold sensitive meeting information from Congress if said information affects functionality of Executive duties or War time duties.

Still waiting on substantial evidence from ANYONE.

Sorry Thomas,

But all I see is subjective arguments at BEST. I'm looking for actual documented proof and have yet to see any at all.

As I said earlier, impeachment equates to a Grand Jury where the jury of your peers reviews the evidence to determine if sufficient evidence exists to forward the case to trial, or in the case of impeachment, to trial in the Senate.

So far, I haven't seen sufficient evident to even warrant an Impeachment.

Indeed, let's have impeachment hearings. Then when the evidence is provided the statement of the delusional left that Bush and Cheney lied will be debunked forever. Simply, because someone says he lied don't make it so and the evidence that he did is not there.

Fosk,

"You the ones who now judge me and don't know me and who have probably NEVER served in the military are the same ones I spoke of above most likely."

Well, since I did serve in the military, grew up poor on a farm. I guess I will judge you and find you totally lacking in honesty, facts, logic and... just being a hateful person.

chiefpayne568:

I can't speak for our VP but I still remember the morning of 9/11 quite vividly, even now.

Of course Mr. Cheney is a very busy man, with all kinds of responsibilities; much has transpired since that morning, too.

I can't vouch for what was and was not sworn testimony to the 9/11 Commission, either; I wasn't there. I have yet to find full transcripts of the proceedings on the web but then I don't have the time to do so at the moment.

Regards

President Pelosi ... now, that's a scary thought !!!

chiefpayne568:
Your defensive arguments are just flat wrong. They blatantly violated domestic and international laws on numerous occasions. International laws are the "law of the land" and therefore violating them can be considered an impeachable offense.

As far as "showing you the evidence", that's what a trial is for. These are the charges. The evidence is presented at trial. That's how it works.

What a sad state of affairs we're seeing. It's incredible that so many people have been convinced by the Radical Far Left that President Bush and Vice President Cheney are somehow responsible for everything evil that has happened around the world. Thank God we have two men of strong faith and steadfast leadership in their positions. It is hard to imagine how out of control things would be if Al Gore or John Kerry had been elected. The Radical Far Left and their followers seem to resent the fact that we now have leaders who practice principled leadership instead of catering to every poll or naive demand.

If the Democrats were in the least interested in improving government, they would be busy carrying out their legitimate constitutional resposibility by proposing legislation to address the ills of our Country instead of spending an obscene amount of time and energy playing "gotcha" with the Administration.

My only hope is that the Dems continue to be as enept at being an effective majority party as they have been so far. That will insure that they continue to be their own worst enemy. I believe the Republican Party has learned it's lesson and will return to majority status in '08. At least I hope so.

I am from Ohio and Kucinich is a major embarrassment to our State.

As to most of the rest of you, just how much Kool-Aid do you drink a day?

Despite the advanced symptoms of Bush Derangement Syndrome that most of you are exhibiting, there have been NO crimes committed by either the President or the Vice President that would even remotely justify Articles of Impeachment. Do you honestly believe that if any existed there would be any hesitation on Nancy Pelosi's part to pursue that course of action? She has already proven herself to be reckless and seditious at the best of times and a flaming incompetent the rest of the time.

Get a grip people. This is NOT the time to be flaunting unreasoning hatred. THAT is what killed a lot of people in Blacksburg this week.

Literally, ever one of your "defenses" is completely and utterly flawed. Across the board. Just flat wrong. Legally. Morally.

Thomas,

There has to be sufficient evidence to support HAVING an Impeachment. So far, there's been NONE.

Further, while it may be the law of the land, there has been no obvious violation of laws to support an Impeachment.

Sorry but I don't agree with you. BTW, an Impeachment must have a High Crime or Misdemeanor - now which would you suggest is in operation here if they HAVE violated said international laws (which I assume you are saying I am wrong about)? After all, if one has broken the law, one MUST be brought up on charges - so what charges are they?

I can't fathom those who keep existing, in spite of the mountain of evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors, that there is "no evidence" of wrongdoing. It boggles the mind.

War crimes, for starters. Bush and Cheney should stand trial at the Hague, let alone face impeachment.

Thomas,

I have made NO defenses...I am merely stating FACTS.

I have nothing to defend...the burdeon of proof is on the prosecution to provide evidence of crimes, not on the defense. Remember, innocent until PROVEN guilty.

You say my facts are flawed across the board, legally and morally. Care to elaborate?

Oddly, this will do very little good for the country because it's like switching seats on the Titanic at this point. Now if there was a way to impeach his entire administration- Then charge them for crimes against humanity, treason (for selling our country out in 2005 to form the American Union) Then Dennis would really be onto something! Naturally, the massacre at Virginia tech, yet another weapon of mass distraction- I doubt anything will come of it. Whatever happened to the three captured Israeli soldiers that started a war in Hezbola? See what I mean?

The President of the United States of America does not AND NEVER WILL answer to the most corrupt POLITICAL body in the world - the United Nations.

Anyone remember Oil-for-Food?

Dear Lord, what a bunch of troglodytes.

Thomas,

The Hague?! Now you really ARE stretching a bit. Just WHAT would you use to try to arrest, much less prosecute, these men in THAT venue?

Your "facts" are in fact not factual in the slightest.

Finally a Dem with back bone. Go Kucinich!
We really need to try Bush, Cheney, Powell, Rice, Rumsfeld, Gonzo and others for war crimes, but this is a small baby step.

Thomas,

My facts are equivalent to yours. Thus if we are equal to each other, then in fact no evidence is shown.

My facts are based on what is known as are yours. But you insist that there is more there, yet cannot produce it.

Therefore we are both subject to speculation...NOT an impeachable offense.

Chief,

To a liberal, facts do not have to be factual. All that is required is a belief.

Thomas,

I will, however, concede that I an impeachment would not be a bad idea. Since evidence WILL have to be provided, this will cause those who clamor for such to produce it or retract their comments.

I have no problems going ahead with one, provided the Democrats can produce at least SOMETHING of sufficient merit to go forward with the hearings.

Let's go through the "facts" one at a time, shall we?

"Answer: Irrelevant. Making threats of force against a foreign country is NOT an impeachable offense."

Completely and utterly incorrect. Making threats against a foreign country is a violation of U.N. Charter, Article 2, paragraph 4, and therfore it is a violation of the laws of the United States of America. As such, it is certainly an impeachable offense. Unless breaking the law is not an impeachable offense?

Breaking the law is not a "high crime" or a "misdemeanor" in your opinion?

Cheif the "I thank-you for your service to our country" is another of the Republican one liners. If you meant it you would have said the exact same line to veterans of vietnam. I said to them, "wished I was there to serve with you". As far as Democrats being gutless, I could have shown you how a few of us gutless democrats looked like in surgery, some of our guts were spilled on streets of a senseless war. As for Pepsiholic I am so glad you missed the action and are now making a 6 figure income, I guess maybe you can hire some of us gutless disabled people, put us in handicapped vans wheel us into your job and put us to work. Although some can't see others can't lift things and most can't walk. I guess I can tell you making a low 5 figure income for laying down my life just makes it worthwhile, I love the 7 different medications I take and the seizures I get 2 to 3 times a day and the feeling of having to have somebody wipe my behind. So of course all of you brave republicans who sent us to a war of deception I want to thank-you. Your hero's need to go to jail if they deceived me into going to a war with no wmd's. If you want to find out whether they lied or not, why do they block every investigation or inquirie launched? If you just leave it to me to have an answer I would automatically feel they have a need to hide something and I demand to know. I am a citizen of this country and my constitution allows me to question my political leaders in accordance to the law of this land, and to impeach or to criminally indite those who think they are above the law and the constitution.

Fosk,

My girlfriend works at a hospitals and sees that sort of thing from car wrecks. Should we outlaw cars?

Fosk,

How about we start an investigation into what Sandy Burglar really stole... or how about Diane Feinstein's war profiteering?

Pepsiholic:
We should investigate members of both parties who have potentially broken the law.

Still waiting on substantial evidence from ANYONE.

Posted by: chiefpayne568 | April 18, 2007 11:46 AM
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Chief, It's simple. Impeach Cheney because he's evil. Of course the Senate isn't going to convict him, but it will force Republican candidates in 2008 to defend evil, just as vigorously as you have done here.
You are a great Devil's advocate, but remember this. Satan never pays his bills yet always collects his due. Has it ever occurred to you that having a Commander in Chief that is loathed by the majority of Americans is not such a good idea? By dividing this country the way he has, puts us in grave danger.

Chief, All you have to do is look at the Plame "outing" to see where the liberal priorities are. remember, they wanted blood for the leaking of Plame's name... they wanted Rove frog marched to jail... they wanted justice!!!!!

Oh wait... it was Armitage who leaked her name... D*mn, he's not part of the Bush White house... honest mistake... what other non-issue can we now investigate???? Missing High Explosives... whoops, already did that... how about the D.A. story???

Thomas,

So per your view, if President threatens North Korea to stay away from South Korea or fact military consequences, that is an Impeachable offense? That makes no sense to me at all.

So, No I do not consider making threats against another country an impeachable offense. If this is a crime, then a great number of OTHER heads of countries will have to be charged as well.

"So of course all of you brave republicans who sent us to a war of deception I want to thank-you."

Ah Fosk... I believed that the democrats also voted for the war... at least a majority of them did.

Sonofabastard,

"Has it ever occurred to you that having a Commander in Chief that is loathed by the majority of Americans is not such a good idea? By dividing this country the way he has, puts us in grave danger."

Actually, I'd rather have a CIC who is willing to do what he thinks is right DESPITE what others may think of him. Frankly, I think that's a better leader.

Fosk,

I worked in the Casualty office and SAW a lot of what you are talking about. I ALSO grew up during the Vietnam War and saw a LOT of those guys come back and saw how they looked! I have lost friends in BOTH wars! I do NOT make a 6 figure income and work 2 jobs in ADDITION to being in the National Guard!

Now that I got THAT out of my system, I just wanted to let you know you're confusing me with someone else. I NEVER said Democrats were gutless. I will say I do not understand their logic.

Chief,
So breaking the law is not impeachable in that particular instance, right? Okay. Shall we move on down the line? How about the FISA defense? Let's hear the defense of Bush's authorization for the NSA to break the FISA laws?

I believe that if Sandy Burglar did anything wrong and an investigation took place then by all means a criminal trial is in order. NOBODY IS ABOVE CONSTITUTIONAL LAWS, Democrats as well as Republicans. Just to let you know that I NEVER protested that Clinton should not have been impeached, he lied under oath. What I seek is the truth, and am ashamed that my brothers and sisters in arms who supposedly spoke the same oath as I did, interpret the constitution to fit their own agenda, (both democrats and republicans) instead of it's most pure form.

GOOD!

Thomas,

If you mean by threatening a country, yes - because it is NOT breaking the law. If it were so, then all heads of state who signed the treaty are breaking this "law". As such, there is nothing there.

As for the FISA ANSWER - already given:

Instituted by Presidental Executive Order - precedence set by earlier Presidental Executive orders - currently awaiting court battle to determine legality of said wiretapping - AGAIN irrelevant as it has not been proven illegal and was done by Executive order which is in keeping with rights reserved for the Executive branch. Even if proven illegal, is not impeachable as judgement was not set PRIOR to Executive Order.

Fosk,

I have no problem with getting to the truth...however, let's make sure we aren't on a witch-hunt. I have no problem with having evidence brought to bear, assuming there is evidence somewhere.

My problem is, I haven't seen any as yet.

Heck, if "treason, bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors" could result in the impeachment of high ranking officials in the Government Congress would have nothing left to do but hold impeachment hearings.

I say a better place to clean house is the Securities and Exchange Commission. They have committed treason against the investors of this country as they allow our banks to launder money for criminals and allow the wealthy to manipulate our markets through offshore (tax free) funds. We don't even need Dennis Kucinich for this one, every American can vote for this action at www.investigatethesec.com.

I suggest we impeach Dennis Kooksnitchass. When was the last time he went to a library? And what's he hiding underneath that hair? You know he's part of that super secret Rastafarian socity that wants to take over the world.

I can't believe the puerile comments about impeachment that I'm seeing here. You people are complete fanatics. If this is the best "cause" to which you can attach your time, you might want to rethink your lives.

Brain-check: How many of you are secretly jumping on the bandwagon without critically analyzing anything you've heard about "Bush lied, people died". You really need to attach those brain stems to a pool of quick-grow.

Oh, and just because it's on the news (I know this may break your heart), doesn't mean it's true. Here's another stunning development: Just because a website says it, doesn't mean it's true. Just because multiple websites circularly link each other doesn't mean there is a mountain of evidence for impeachment.

Oh, and screw the U.N. That organization is more corrupt than the U.S. Congress without a doubt. Let's impeach them. Oh. Wait.

I'm confused. How exactly is threatenting another country not breaking the law when it is in violation of U.N. Charter, Article 2, paragraph 4, which is inherently a law of the United States? It's a violation of the law. Period. There's no debate. Whether you think Bush's violation of that law warrants impeachment is another discussion, but it is without question a violation of International and therefore U.S. law.

Now, your "defense" of the blatant FISA violation sound like the kind of defense his lawyers would bring up in an impeachment trial, no? There's no debate as to whether Bush authorized violation of the FISA statute, is there? He admitted as much. Your "defense" is merely a defensive argument to a valid charge.

How exactly does your defense negate the right to offer an article of impeachment in this instance? I don't understand.

Stunned:
I've done enormous research on the subject and there is ample evidence to support impeachment. It's no fantasy. And I'm no democrat.

I am sure the terrorists are very pleased with our inability to unite during a time of war!

Kucinich is an idiot and the only thing harder to fathom than his continued presence in Congress is why the people of Massachusetts continue to elect the homicidal boozer, Chappaquiddick Ted, to the Senate. No, cancel that... there's Waters, Frank, Jefferson, Schumer, Kerry, Clinton, Byrd, and a whole host of idiots, crooks, philanderers and scofflaws that are reelected to Congress by millions of equally idiotic voters who take people like Kucinich seriously. Congress should impeach itself and give us back our money. Never mind--they'd most likely screw that up, too.

I love it when liberals try to act like lawyers. Unless someone can point to a specific "high crime or misdemeanor" here, (like perjury, in Clinton's case) then this is nothing but a Stalinist show trial.

Simply disagreeing with the Vice President doesn't count.

Jahpdq:
Can't you read? How many more specifics do you need? They have been listed over and over.

The "Center for Constitutional Rights" wrote articles of impeachment for Bush and they're very good. If they want to impeach...impeach them both.

http://zzpat.bravehost.com/april_2006/articles_of_impeachment.html

Based on the ramblings I read on this page and the like, I seriously wonder if being a Left-wing, Liberal, Democrat is actually more of a mental illness rather than a political view point. The ability to distort truth and reality is most disturbing. The ability to take massive leaps of ridiculous and preposterous in the face of what is staring you in the face is truly disturbing. I've followed politics for many decades and, having different viewpoints on any given topic or issue used to be the norm. But what I see now from the left is a real neuro-psychosis when it comes to distorting reality. I think Liberal Democrats need to take a half dozen Paxils a day for a year before they should be allowed to discuss or vote on anything more important then what the next Smartie color should be!! You folks ( lefties) should take off the multi-colored glasses and look at the world the way it actually is for once.

John,
You need a reality check. What "terrorists" are you referring to? The Iraqi citizens fighting our illegal occupation?

If only we were actually interested in bringing "liberty, security and stability to the people of Iraq". If you actually believe that, then you need a refresher course in U.S. foreign policy (and I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you).

A true "democracy" in Iraq is the very LAST thing the neo-liberals in Washington would ever want.

A sovereign Iraq, partially democratic, could well be a disaster for US planners. With a Shiite majority, it is likely to continue improving relations with Iran. There is a Shiite population right across the border in Saudi Arabia, bitterly oppressed by the US-backed tyranny. Any step towards sovereignty in Iraq encourages activism there for human rights and a degree of autonomy -- and that happens to be where most of Saudi oil is. Sovereignty in Iraq might well lead to a loose Shiite alliance controlling most of the world's hydrocarbon resources and independent of the US, undermining a primary goal of US foreign policy since it became the world-dominant power after World War II. Worse yet, though the US can intimidate Europe, it cannot intimidate China, which blithely goes its own way, even in Saudi Arabia, the jewel in the crown -- the primary reason why China is considered a leading threat. An independent energy bloc in the Gulf area is likely to link up with the China-based Asian Energy Security Grid and Shanghai Cooperation Council, with Russia (which has its own huge resources) as an integral part, along with the Central Asian states (already members), possibly India. Iran is already associated with them, and a Shiite dominated bloc in the Arab states might well go along. All of that would be a nightmare for US planners, and its Western allies.

What they really want is another puppet government who will cater to U.S. corporate interests at the expense of the native population.

This GUARANTEES terrorist-causing resentment that will be taken out on U.S. soldiers and civilians, which is merely a nuisance to those, like Dick Cheney and friends, who stand to make many more millions of dollars in "defense" and oil profits. After all, it's not their kids who are on the front lines.

Just look at the Iraqi Hydrocarbon Law, which privatizes 81% of Iraq's currently, nationalized petroleum resources, opening them to "investment" by Exxon/Mobil, Chevron/Texaco, and two British oil companies, BP/Amoco and Royal Dutch/Shell. These companies expect to sign the rarely used and notoriously profitable contracts called "production sharing agreements" which guarantee them extraordinarily high profit margins: they might capture more than half of the oil revenues for the first 15-30 years of the contracts' lifespan, and deny Iraq any income at all until their infrastructure "investments" have been recovered.

So the Iraqi people will share among themselves all the revenue from 1/5th of their country's oil reserves. But they will get only a fraction from the remaining 4/5ths, where the American and British oil companies expect to generate immense profits.

American Foreign Policy is "rich" with similar stories. Add to that our enormous history of subverting democratically elected governments across the globe (including Iraq in the 50's and 60's and Iran in 1953). Add to that the system of economic strangulation forced upon most of the third world through imperialist institutions and concepts like the IMF, World Bank (Paul Wolfowitz, architect of the invasion of Iraq BACK IN 1997 was named head of the World bank by Bush - surprise, surprise) and ironically titled North American Free Trade Agreement.

Do you think the neo-liberal agenda stops at a "democratic" Iraq? No. They have made it clear that Iran is the next target.

Iran has the oil and is not under the thumb of Washington, making them a de facto "enemy" of the U.S. and the west in general. Israel, the United States militant ally in the region, has always longed to install their own puppet government in Lebanon to make the "refugee problem" much simpler to "solve". Iran has ties to Hezbollah, which has successfully defied Israels imperialist ambitions in Lebanon. Therefore, Iran is only our enemy and Israel's enemy in so much as they have proven to be a serious obstacle to imperial aggression, and not because they pose any serious threat to the United States or Israeli homelands.

Let's logically look at the Iranian "threat". What would happen to Iran if they attacked either Israel or the United States, either directly or through a secondary agent? The answer is simple; they would be wiped from the face of the earth in a few hours. Israel has the capability to do this all by themselves. The United States clearly could do it as well. So, an attack by Iran would essentially be a call for mass suicide by the Iranian government. That makes little sense. What makes a lot of sense, in fact it's as clear as day at a mere glance, is the concept that Iran is only our "enemy" because they refuse to cater to U.S. and Israeli hegemony in the region. It's obvious.

Let's look at the nuclear threat that has everyone up in arms. Iran has maintained the right to produce nuclear power, which is in fact their right under the existing Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaties. No independent monitor has found any proof that they have moved in the direction of nuclear weaponry, yet the U.N. still has been bullied into sanctioning them. Meanwhile, it is common knowledge that Israel has stockpiled an enormous nuclear arsenal at Iran's doorstep, thanks to the good old U.S.A, in violation of those same NPT's. When the U.N has repeatedly called for sanctions to be brought against Israel, the U.S. has vetoed those proposed sanctions in an egregious double standard that is never commented on in the United States corporate media.

By the way, the propaganda hit it's peak with the corporate media firestorm over Ahmadinejad allegedly saying, "Israel must be wiped off the map," which, it turns out was conveniently mistranslated in the U.S. and Israel. What he actually said, which was barely reported after the fact, was "The regime occupying Israel must vanish from the pages of history". Much different. It was clearly a shot at the current Israeli leadership, not the civilian population.

In any case, one needs to just look at the facts to see that WE are the threat to Iran, and not the other way around. If Iran's greatest resource were pistachios and coffee beans, would they be our enemy? Of course not.

It's all related. Bush and Cheney lied us into a war that has numerous goals. Disposing of Hussein was just one of these goals. The other major goal is regime change in Iran. We want to install a puppet government in Iran who will cater to our corporate interests at the expense of the native population. Sound familiar?

I contend that this policy helps very few, very wealthy Americans, while subjecting the rest of the American population to increased terrorist threats and reduced freedom and liberty here at home under the guise of "national security".

All of this talk of "defeat," "surrender," "support the troops," etc is straight out of the fascist propaganda playbook. Get the population scared and riled up and then they will allow you to do things against their own interest and the interest of the overwhelming majority of the world population.

So what does this mean?

We have a choice. Either we want the American Empire or the American Democracy.

The American Empire, like all empires throughout history has a foundation of massive violence, unilateral dismissal of international laws and treaties, reduced freedom liberty and justice at home and abroad, increased threats of resentment and retaliation, increased military spending, reduced social spending, ever-widening economic gaps between the have's and have-nots, enormous gains of wealth and treasure into the coffers of an elite few, and so on.

The American Democracy respects the rule of law at home and abroad, respects the will of the American people over the needs of corporate profit, reduced military spending leading to increased spending on much needed social programs like universal health care, school maintenance and education, infrastructure projects, poverty reduction, feeding the hungry, seeks to influence justice around the world instead of hegemony, and so on.

Does this mean we have to become the bullied instead of the bully? Of course not. We are currently the most powerful country in the history of the human race. We spend as much on our "defense" budget each year as the rest of the planet combined. We can easily provide a true defense for our Nation as the American Democracy. The enormous additional cost is due to our overreach, the hegemonic agenda that comes with Empire.

one clown investigating another clown!

Thomas,

He admitted as much but it's not a crime if it wasn't illegal in the first place, now is it? Your argument is specious at best. WHY impeach someone for doing something that wasn't against the law prior to his doing it? Ex Post Facto.

As per the other comment, Ok...if we are going to judge it by UN charter then yes the law was broken...but to impeach on something which has never been enforced on any other country leadership in the entire world is illogical.

Chief:
How exactly was it not illegal "in the first place?" There are FISA laws on the books. He authorized violation of those laws. I don't understand your position.

I am sure the terrorists are very pleased with our inability to unite during a time of war!

Posted by: John | April 18, 2007 12:57 PM
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John, How can the country be united when more than half the country despises the President and V.P..
Also why wasn't it considered an act of war when Timothy McVeigh bombed the Federal building in Oklahoma City?
Why did right wingers support a criminal child molestor like David Koresh after he murdered government agents who were just doing their duty?
Jesus is a liberal, love him or leave him.

Thomas:

The point is whether or not the President has sufficient Executive Order privledges from War Powers in order to provide exceptions to the statute. This is what is to be determined in court. If he does NOT have this authority, his Executive Order will have to be recinded.

Now WHY would that be a crime?

IT'S ABOUT TIME SOMEBODY DOES SOMETHING ABOUT THE WORST GANG OF CORRUPT, LYING, THIEVING, MURDERING, FILTHY SCUMBAGS TO EVER ENTER THE WHITE HOUSE.

Chief:
Your "defense" is nothing more than a defensive postion to the charge of violating FISA.

Um. UN Article 2 Paragraph 4? Cheney violated that one... how? I think there were quite a few people who actually voted for the US to go to war. Let's impeach them all! Oh. Wait. We have brains. We should probably use them.

The U.N. is a joke! It is incapable of fulfilling its obligations and its "Charter" is a laundry list of ideals that, when in direct conflict with U.S. interests, MUST go flying out the window.

You're probably in favor of allowing the UN to impose a "carbon tax" on all of its members, aren't you? Admit it. Let's just go all out and jump on the one-world socialist bandwagon. That should ruin us quickly enough.

As for the mountains of evidence, I respectfully submit that your evidence is probably (and I say probably because I have no idea who you are) second-,third-, or even twelfth-hand information.

But, I'm actually a reasonable person. Give it your best shot, but please refrain from idiotic arguments. Just the facts please. Oh, and to prove someone "lied" (by definition) is going to be a very, very hard thing to do.

So many people (on all sides) love to use soundbites, take things out of context, or repeat things as fact when they really don't know the source. Occasionally I like to dig into one of these. Here's what I found...

A previous post said this:
[[[According to Sue Lindsey's article (of the Associated Press), the first statement the White House made after the VT shooting was the following:

"A White House spokesman said

President Bush was horrified by the rampage and offered his prayers to the victims and the people of Virginia. "The president believes that there is a right for people to bear arms, but that all laws must be followed," spokeswoman Dana Perino said "

Why aren't journalists jumping on this? Doesn't this show how special interest oriented he is and how he is out of touch with the main stream and reality?]]]

I wondered if even our sometimes "PR-challenged" Whitehouse could really place these two comments so insensitively close together in a press release.

So, first I went to Sue Lindsay's article (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070416/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting_65) to find that indeed somewhere in her article of a fairly extensive description of what happened, she included the two sentences quoted above. These were the only two sentences related to the Whitehouse and were presented one after the other, just as quoted above.

Next, I went to Whitehouse.gov to find the press briefing that was quoted. Find it at http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/04/20070416-1.html

I learned that the first sentence, in which the condolences were presented, was contained in the second paragraph (after the opening "Good afternoon" paragraph) of a 7-paragraph prepared statement. Other statements talked about Iraq, Russia, Nigeria, and the Pope's birthday.

Then, the 9th question (of about 48 questions) from a reporter asked, "Dana, going back to Virginia Tech, what more does this White House think needs to be done as it relates to gun issues? The President says current laws need to be strengthened, anything beyond that -- you had a conference on school violence with guns -- what more needs to be done?

To this question, Ms Perino answered, "I would point you back to the fact that President, along with Secretary Spellings, hosted last October -- October 10, 2006 -- a conference on school gun violence after the Amish school shooting and the other shootings that had happened, because the tragedies are the ones that just collectively break America's heart and are ones that we deeply feel, because all of us can imagine what it would be like to have been at your own school, your own college, and to have something happen. And those of us who are parents, or brothers or sisters of people at the schools have to take that into consideration.

As far as policy, the President believes that there is a right for people to bear arms, but that all laws must be followed. And certainly bringing a gun into a school dormitory and shooting -- I don't want to say numbers because I know that they're still trying to figure out many people were wounded and possibly killed, but obviously that would be against the law and something that someone should be held accountable for."

Shame on Sue Lindsay for presenting it as though the second sentence out of the President's mouth were to defend gun rights. Such out of context reporting only fuels the sound bite and repeat-what-they-heard mentality that so many people use.

When trying to find the sources of this, I inevitably ran across a bunch of people who simply repeated it in Blogs and forums without any care to its context and using it to substantiate whatever point they were trying to make regarding the President's insensitivity, special interests, or whatever.

No wonder it is so hard to have a healthy conversation or debate based on facts. And please remember - I said all sides have people who love to do this. Too bad.

Thomas, thanks for the good work. Keep it up. The Whashington Post blogs are way too important a battlefield to concede to the right wing creeps.
You are up against paid operatives like Chiefpayne. He's just doing his job, but he's countermanding the thrust of the United States Constitution with his every, well articulated word.

Thomas,

Hardly. It was done by Executive order legally and then the legality of the order was challenged.