They should tar and feather this Republican with the Vick matter. The way these scum bags went after Sen. Clelland, the gloves have to come off. He voted against the bill. Why? Because he didn't think that dog fighting in interstate commerce was a crime. Therefore, he condones dogfighting. They should put him and Vick in a 14x14 ring with some of Vick's dogs that are facing euthanasia.

"Accusing a farmer of not liking animals is like accusing Democrats of not liking higher taxes."

Haw, haw, haw. To many farmers (the exceptions are plentiful), animals are simply business. They are no more attached to them than a corn farmer is to an ear of corn. I'm sure Vick felt the same way went he executed underperforming animals: it was just business.

If only there was some sort of Federal crime Vick could be charged with... oh, wait, there is.

"Accusing a farmer of not liking animals is like accusing Democrats of not liking higher taxes." Funny that Graves' spokesman should answer one false stereotype with another.

When they're being true to their ideals, Democrats want government to protect people, and if that means higher taxes, that's the price of good government.

It's no surprise the GOP doesn't care about animal welfare, since their leaders don't care about child welfare either (e.g. State Children's Health Insurance Program veto, Mark Foley scandal). They waste billions on airport security, but toys with lead paint are perfectly fine so long as their friends make money.

Way to go, Greedy Oil Predators.

On a related note, I recall a VA state congressman making a statement a few months ago that he witnessed a dog fight or two in his life and seemed to indicate that he'd give it a free pass.

I would love it if the WP tracked down this article and followed up on it.

Thanks.

As cynical as I have gotten, I am still surprised from time to time by how low politics can go.

These Democrats should be ashamed of themselves... but I know that is expecting waaaaaay too much of folks who have thrown overboard any sense of decency.
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Hey Ray T, name a Repulsican who says toys with lead paint are perfectly fine. An objective review would show that plenty of them own pets and believe in animal welfare. Many believe this should be addressed in state, not federal, law. The founders of this nation tried to establish a system that would protect people from an overly intrusive federal government. Democraps continually try to make federal government more intrusive in the name of protecting us. There are some areas where I agree that we need protection from snake oil salesmen and the like at the federal level. But how far do we take it? How many federal bureacracies do we create to deal with issues that individual citizens should take personal responsibility for handling? While some are necessary, most government bureaucracies are wasteful and inefficient. Is the federal government supposed to protect everybody from every possible danger?

"...toys with lead paint" is an excellent counterpoint. Should this be addressed State-by-State? Wouldn't FIFTY State FDA-like "government bureaucracies" be more wasteful and inefficient than one Federal one? I DO expect the federal government to protect everybody from these kinds of possible dangers. And, of course, the FDA's budget has been cut, cut, cut over the past few years. Hear that sound? The chickens are flapping home to roost.

Marc Fisher is an idiot.

Amazing. Absolutely amazing. The Washington Post manages to make every and I mean every negative story somehow about Bush and/or the Republicans.

I'm a farmer. I love my goats. They're friendly, playful, and contain less fat than beef. Last night my friend and I enjoyed one of my goats with a bottle of Chateau Lafitte!

Translated: dogs aren't consumables in this country. Don't compare a farmer to a dogfight promoter.

"As for comparing Graves, a former full-time farmer, to the icon of animal abuse, Klindt says, "Accusing a farmer of not liking animals is like accusing Democrats of not liking higher taxes.""

In other words, it's a perfectly accurate accusation!

By the way, The Humane Society of the United States is not an "animal rights" organization. PETA is an animal rights organization. The Humane Society is an animal welfare organization, which is a key distinction in the field of animal protection. Their advocacy is not linked to setting all animals free and making everyone a vegan. Instead, the Humane Society advocates treating all animals humanely, including those raised for food, etc. Taking a stance against dogfighting isn't just for animal rights activists; it's for anyone who believes in treating all sentient beings humanely, and without unnecessary cruelty.

While not an easy living...It seems to me that farmers benefit greatly from our taxes...Paid not to grow, price supports, etc. and all at taxpayers expense...and all of which enjoys widespread BIPARTISAN SUPPORT...FARMERS AND CORPORATE FARMS VOTE AND DONATE LOTS OF CASH TO CAMPAIGNS (Taxpayer cash from government sponsored profits???)... The analogy from the spokesperson seems a little off...Maybe a new spokesperson Sam?

Maybe my Repub friends find solace in the fact that dog fighting does not get this kind of government assistance and therefore is worth letting go...

What did this legislation do? I am a liberal Democrat who adores animals, but perhaps he voted against it because it federalized yet another crime, and he was against that (wanting to keep law enforcement as a state thing)? I am not saying that is the case, but if we don't know the provisions of the bill, it is hard to judge, no?

Just wonderful. How many recall the press beating LBJ took for holding his beloved Beagles by the ears? Even Millie Vanillie GHWBush's pooch had a good home. Nawh, Rep. Graves is representing hisself, not the people of his district. The Vick pitbull controversy has been an animal anomaly. After all, this is a college graduate with early megabucks to his name. Daddy Vick says the cruelty in sonny's growing up is culturally determined. How many millions of dollars, college degrees and public acclaim is needed to turn a corner? But what about Congressional defenders of this culturally determined sadism. Farmers in family ventures ordinarily don't have the time nor inclination to support the sadism of dog fights. Cong. Graves has given his swan song to a political career.

'r man' writes:"Many believe this should be addressed in state, not federal, law."

The legislation was to address "-- participation in a multi-state network of cruel and degrading dogfighting activities..."

'r man', do you comprehend what multi-state means? Do you know that states are constitutionally prohibited from regulating interstate dealings? It is unlawful and virtually impossible for any state to address what this legislation was meant to address. But thats just an inconvenient fact to you 'r man'. Perhaps you should blame Bill Clinton, thats always a convenient, if irrational, comeback for Republicans who don't find it neccesary to base their arguments on facts or truths.

Likewise to va liberal, who says "... he voted against it because it federalized yet another crime, and he was against that (wanting to keep law enforcement as a state thing)..." Since your hypothesis is bunk, maybe you could just argue it is Halliburton's fault.

C'mon people, if you're going to act like you know what you're talking about, at least make the effort to KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!

Most dogfighting takes place in the South (Dubya Land). One of the only two states that still permits dogfighting is Wyoming (Cheney Land) Any real surprise that this GOP Representative doesn't have an issue with this barbaric sport? There's a pattern here. Also, it appears the NFL and the Feds have worked out a cozy deal that will allow Vick to return after his
short stay in jail. What a sham.

Patrick, I was asking a question. Why are you so nasty to me?

r man, your point is well taken - however, the legislation under discussion does not outlaw dog fighting but rather facilitates state enforcement. Smaller states in particular lack resources the FBI can provide, such as labs and expertise. I can't help but express my pique here - sorry! - but why is the organized push for federal laws that do violate your sensible parameters, indeed that grossly violate the whole covenant of conservatism, coming nowadays from conservatives and only from conservatives? Are flags endangered? Heterosexuals? Stem cells?

If the Humane Society is campaigning against a specific candidate, doesn't that affect their tax-exempt status? This is not issue politicking, but actively working against one particular candidate.

Also, you don't know what was in the bill that caused Graves to vote against it. Maybe he is opposed to dogfighting but just could not support that particular bill.

And note, many bills have ridiculous riders attached which is why many reps don't vote for things they otherwise would (see, e.g. "Mr. X Democrat didn't vote to support the troops! He is horrible!", but the ads don't mention that the bill contained a rider to cut funding for Head Start or some other unrelated bizarre issue.) I do not doubt that I would disagree with Mr. Graves on 100% of the issues, I'd just like to see the full story, with all facts, so I can better understand.

"`(1) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly sponsor or exhibit an animal in an animal fighting venture, if any animal in the venture was moved in interstate or foreign commerce."

This is a direct quote from the legislation in question. The full text can be found at http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s109-382

To VA liberal, as anyone who has been to high school ought to know, there are three things that states are explicitly forbidden to do: 1.enter into treaties with foriegn nations, 2.coin their own money, and 3.regulate interstate commerce Its basic civics.

Also, it took less then 3 seconds for me to find the full text of this law, including amendments(there aren't any ridiculous ones as you have suggested), through google. So in less time than it took you to ask questions that both conveniently absolved the opponents of this law from accountability, and conveniently ignored the facts stated in the article at the top of this page, you could have answered you own questions. If you think its nasty for someone to point out the virtual impossibility of your baseless theory, perhaps you could make the effort to avail yourself of the facts before you post.

Does campaigning for a candidate violate the NRA's tax-exempt status? I believe that prohibition only applies to religious organizations.

link to a .pdf file fact sheet about this legislation: http://www.hsus.org/web-files/PDF/legislation/110_AnimalFighting_S261_HR137.pdf

Additional link to all five manifestations of this law: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.137:

Speaking as a Missouri resident, I am disgusted by a representative from my state behaving in this manner.

Cordelia: "Translated: dogs aren't consumables in this country." Challenge you to cite any laws or regulations (state federal or local) prohibiting either personal or commercial consumption of dogs or cats. Sure you are aware that many east and southeast asians eat dogs and cats.

"Don't compare a farmer to a dogfight promoter." Why ever not? Is it too uncomfortable for you and your smug, condescending worldview? Why do you seek to limit the free speech of others?

See you next Tuesday!

Patrick, you have some issues. You, as anyone who went to high school should know, don't hostilely attack when debating. I didn't put forth a theory, I ASKED A QUESTION.

Further, what consitutes insterstate commerce is nowhere near being a settled question and courts are still deciding it in a varierty of contexts. (see, e.g. GRANHOLM V. HEALD (03-1116) 544 U.S. 460 (2005) Nos. 03--1116 and 03--1120, 342 F.3d 517, affirmed; No. 03--1274, 358 F.3d 223, reversed and remanded.)

I'd hate to be your child or wife; it would be tough to live with someone so perfect and brilliant.

There are only two kinds of Republicants.

Ones convicted of a crime - and ones that will be.

They all hate our core American values of Truth, Justice, and the American Middle Class way of life.

While Liberty Missouri only has a population of approximately 30,000, it is not "rural Missouri" but the edge of the farmland eating, incessant track-housing mega-suburb that is Kansas City Metro. Basically it's about as "rural" as Rockville, MD.

Get a grip VA liberal.

You have made up excuses for opponents of animal welfare, out of thin air and basless musings.

There were no ridiculous amendments, and there was no possible way states could have considered, passed, or enforced this law. You might as well have speculated that the man was abducted by aliens and his vote cast by an alien doppleganger, for all the basis in reality your "questions" have.

As for your attempt to apply GRANHOLM V. HEALD regarding whether states can pass laws regulating interstate commerce, if the lack of relevance is not obvious to you, nothing anyone could say or do will convince you otherwise. So I won't even bother to try.

Regarding the "issue" I have with people who find it neccesary to fabricate facts, or ask dubious 'questions' with the apparent intent of obfuscating the truth, well, if you don't like it then don't just make stuff up - make the minuscule effort required to find out the actual facts.

Whether or not it is clear to you, I have addressed only your posts and their contents, I have not attacked you. That is in clear contrast to your personal attacks on me and my family. Say whatever you want from here on out, you'll be unchallenged by me as you are clearly not worth the effort of a response.

take a Valium, Patrick.

You got 1?

Forget dog fighting for a minute though wrong.
The following is an excerp of a blog of truth and importance.

Remember April 19th 1995 when 180 some innocent men women and
children died because a bunch of idiots who call themselves the Christian
Right decided to be oh so wrong.
Here is some of the facts and truth which you good citizens have not yet been told.
Now before you or some other person decides that this article should not be published. Consider the fact that I like all other citizens of the United States have a Constitutional Right to Freedom of Press and Freedom of Speech.
This information is not classified top secret or will it destroy National
Security.
In fact to the contrary it will give the greatest aid to our National Security by exposing these Treasonous Murders for everyone to see.
And that is a good thing no matter how you look at it.
So what if it makes those Treasonous Murders nervous and uneasy even mad. Who cares about them. They deserve a lot worse.
There are some of these Treasonous Murders who have gone on other blogs using fictitious names such as John Gault (from some novel I'm told) and try to spread lies and try to dispel the truth or even try to discredit me.
Well I am just an elected spokes person for a group of witnesses to the truth and we are all tired of the Government and those Treasonous Murders who call themselves Michigan Militia who keep trying to cover up the truth about who these people are that form the Michigan Militia and have perpetrated the Treasonous act of Blowing up the Mura Federal Building in Oklahoma City Oklahoma on April 19 1995.
And for future reference there are SIX other direct Witnesses to these Treasonous murdering people when they took their VOTE to blow up the Mura Federal Building in Oklahoma City Oklahoma.
Now for some of the facts that you do not know yet.
The Michigan Militia still runs Jackson County Michigan and fills and or controls every Judge position there.
I originally reported all of this and more to Agent LaPinski of the Jackson Michigan FBI Office in October 1994.
In fact I wore and or carried a wire for Agent LaPinski several times to a variety of Michigan Militia meetings with individuals and to their
group meetings as well.
Timothy David Corts is Member of Michigan Militia since 1994 and was personally sponsored to his higher level post by his best friend
Timothy McViegh.
Tim Corts helped Tim McViegh plan and execute the April 19th 1995 bombing of the Mura Federal Building in Oklahoma City Oklahoma.
Tim Corts gave refuge to Timothy McViegh by letting Timothy McViegh stay at his house at 614 East Ganson St. in Jackson Michigan from October 1994 thru the middle of January 1995.
Tim Corts currently lives on Olcott Lake in Jackson Michigan and he currently works for (SMI). Synchronous Manufacturing Inc. on Page Ave.
in Michigan Center in Jackson County Michigan. SMI is part of Thorrez Industries in Jackson Michigan.
Complete 1994 & 1995 Michigan Militia Membership Roster to be published soon. Check your local news stand and or Blogs.
I originally reported the Michigan Militia's plans to Agent LaPinski of the Jackson Michigan FBI Office in October 1994.
That right folks.
The government knew about the attack long in advance of it taking place.
I know this for a fact as that I volunteered to wear a wire for Agent LaPinski of the FBI starting in October of 1994.
The City Councilmen you'll find listed below who was a Member was my brother Clark Edward Thulin so as
you see I have had first hand knowledge from inside their ranks as that they did try to recruit me as well.
Why have they attempted to cover these facts up?
Why blame one man when so many were and are in fact responsible?
• Was it because 7 Jackson Michigan Judges were Members?
* Was it because the Jackson Michigan Sheriff was a Member?
* Was it because 13 Jackson Michigan Sheriff Deputies were Members?
* Was it because 6 Jackson Michigan City Police were Members?
* Was it because 1 Jackson Michigan City Councilmen was a Member?
* Was it because the Jackson Michigan Prosecutor was a Member?
* Was it because a few local Jackson Michigan Bail Bondsman were
Member's?
* Was it because they all voted to go ahead with the
bombing?
* Was it because those responsible are considered to
high and mighty and above the Law to be convicted?
* Was it because they did not want the embarrassment?
* Was it ALL of the ABOVE.
•
The Michigan Attorney General has had this information and Sworn Statements from the other persons who witnessed these Treasonous Murders in their crimes as well and so has the U.S Attorneys Office and the F.B.I. and I am told Homeland Security as well.
The following is a Sworn Statement that I gave the U.S. Attorneys
Office in January 2006;
Remember April 19, 1995 Amended with additional information.

Continued;
The following is a Sworn Statement that I gave the U.S. Attorneys
Office in January 2006;
Remember April 19, 1995 Amended with additional information.
Additional information added to end of the original statement.
The original statement follows;
Remember April 19, 1995, Alfred P. Murrah Federal Bldg. Oklahoma City,Okla.
The following is a short list of easily recognizable names from Jackson County Michigan. All of these names are taken directly from the
"Michigan Militia Membership Roster" and were all present at Michigan Militia meetings which took place in Grass Lake Michigan and in Bunkerhill Michigan during the months of November and December of 1994;
1. Jackson County Sheriff Henry C. (Hank) Zavislack (I have known since
1977 or 78 when he lived next door to my brother Clark Edward Thulin
on Cherokee Cres in Jackson Michigan)
2. Jackson County Judge Perlos
3. " " Attorney Perlos (was once my lawyer)
4. " " Prosecutor Houck
5. " " Judge Nelson
6. " " Judge Grant
7. " " Judge Hall
8. " " Judge Vandercook and male friend
9. " " Judge Britten
10." " Judge Schmucker
11. Timothy McVeigh (who sponsored Tim Corts into the higher level in
the Michigan Militia)
12. Timothy David Corts (a local bail bondsman at the time and I
thought my friend)
13. Several employees of Consumers Power
14. 13 Jackson County Sheriff Deputies
15. 6 Jackson City Police Officers
16. 1 Leoni Township Police Officer (in uniform)
17. 2 Blackman Township Police Officers
18. Clark Edward Thulin (yes my brother)
All these people and a few hundred more were present for the planning
of the Bombing of April 19, 1995, Alfred P. Murrah Federal Bldg Oklahoma City, Okla. And they all voted to go ahead with it. I know this for a fact because I was an invited guest. I was invited because they were trying to recruit me.
I was invited by the guy I thought was my friend (Timothy David Corts).
I was first introduced to Timothy McVeigh in October of 1994 at which time Tim Corts and Tim McVeigh tried to recruit me to build a bomb for
the expressed purpose of blowing up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Bldg. Oklahoma City, Okla. Because they said that is where the ATF and FBI
came from that did the "Waco massacre". I contacted the local FBI Office in Jackson Michigan the next morning after this introduction to Tim McVeigh by Tim Corts.
I spoke in person to a male FBI Agent by the name of Lapinski and another male FBI Agent who I do not recall his name but they were the only two in the FBI Office. Lapinski had placed video/audio surveillance at the home of Linda Williams and Timothy David Corts at 614 E. Ganson St. in Jackson Michigan before I was asked to meet with Tim McVeigh again by Tim Corts.
Lapinski had me carry a wire which I dropped off in Tim Corts house in a hanging plant in the living room.
The entire plans for bombing the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Bldg Oklahoma City, Okla. were discussed and I was invited to their next Michigan
Militia meeting in Grass Lake Michigan where I personally observed the people that I listed above at the meeting using their real names and
voting to go ahead with the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Bldg Oklahoma City,Okla.
I observed the same people in conversation with Timothy McVeigh at this first meeting that I attended at the request of Tim Corts and Tim McVeigh and FBI Agent Lapinski and again at the second meeting which took place in Bunkerhill Michigan.
At the second meeting in Bunkerhill is where Timothy McVeigh and two others were nominated and a vote was taken which elected Timothy McVeigh and those two others to be the three to carry out the actual bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Bldg. Oklahoma City, Okla.
The Michigan Militia with the funding of its members ( including those listed above) practiced building bombs in New Mexico and in Arizona over the winter and then on April 19, 1995 the three who were nominated to bomb the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Bldg. Oklahoma City, Okla. And they did just that.
Why the FBI did not stop them I do not know. I do know that one of the three nominated to do the deed was in fact an FBI Agent that FBI Agent Lapinski had me introduce to Tim Corts and Timothy McVeigh.
I have no choice but to believe that FBI Agent Lapinski and his partners either allowed it to go to far or they decided to join them in their Terrorist Act of Treason.
All those people listed above tried to recruit me to join them and their Michigan Militia and to give them aid in their planned Terrorist Act of Treason and I chose not to join them and I walked away with the mistaken idea that FBI Agent Lapinski and the United States Justice Department had everything under control.
Maybe they did and they acquired their desired results.

Let's put Rep. Graves and his spokesman into a concrete pit and force them to fight each other for awhile, and then check with them to see how they feel about this issue.

Vick is a Demoncrat. You are really stretching it to try to pin Vick's criminal and abhorrent behavior to the "GOP."

Yours is another headline in a drawer printed out long ago by the Democratic committee as points press buddies should release weekly prior to the 2008 election

( Psst I know that isn't true but thought it would get a giggle like your over the top non sequitur headline.)

Mike in Reno: How do you know Vick is a Democrat?

Name calling is all the GOP can do

Benthulin - What you write is slander. You could be sued by the people you name. Then you could get you day in court. However, if your spoken words make you sound as crazy as your written words these people probably figure no one will ever believe you so what's to be gained by sueing.

Have you noticed your coffee tasting strange recently? I think its possible that the Michigan Militia put something in it.

VA Liberal - Way to go! You are right on. You don't have to love dogfighting to vote against such a bill. You just need to be philosophically opposed to the federal government taking over all the functions of the states. If I run a dogfight in Virginia, it should be the Virginia authorities who prosecute. It may be interstate in extent, but the individual fights happen in a particular state, not up in the air on a cross-country flight.

Of course this is just politics. With a slight adjustment of the circumstances the Republicans would do the same thing (unfortunately).

It is a little funny, all this hullabaloo over dogfighting when we lionize guys like Vick (or any other athlete in a violent sport) who are essentially well-paid pitbulls. We demand our blood, we are just particular as to what kind.

75,000 late term babies die from abortions every year and the Democratic Party, the party of abortions,is pointing their finger at one Republican for not passing a dog fighting law? They're also investigating the LEGAL hiring and firing practices of the President while Social Security is upside down and will be a huge burden on everyone in the coming years. Energy? No drilling, no refineries,no nuke, not anything that will lower gas prices or produce independence. Yes the Democrats really have their priorities strait and have a lot to hold up to the public in the coming elections.

Scott says "You don't have to love dogfighting to vote against such a bill. You just need to be philosophically opposed to the federal government taking over all the functions of the states. If I run a dogfight in Virginia, it should be the Virginia authorities who prosecute. It may be interstate in extent, but the individual fights happen in a particular state, not up in the air on a cross-country flight."
Take a minute and read the fact sheet I posted a link to in a previous post....the law is aimed primarily at cockfighting and its impetus is the very real fear that Asian bird flu might arrive in the United States and be spread via an underground network of cockfighters that was beyond the reach of government intervention. There is a fundamental responsibility of the Federal government to protect our country from threats who's scope is too great for the States to address on their own or who's sophisticated nature is beyond the means of States to tackle. That is the reason we have a federal government.
You probably don't see killing dogs as a threat to our whole nation, and as reluctant as I may be to admit it, I couldn't disagree. The law however was crafted to attack a very real threat to the well being of our Nation, and as such appropriately amended a Federal Act.

I live in Representative Graves District. He always uses that "I was a farmer" hogwash to frame himself as a regular Joe. Sam went straight from college to the state legislature just as his wealthy family had designed for him to do. Sam was the member of a corporate farming family...not a farmer by the definition he hopes to imply.
Sam has a reputation for turning elections into dog fights. In the last one he ran against a middle aged woman in a wheel chair and accused her of sexual impropriety. It was a complete lie and some media outlets (including the Kansas City Star) looked into the allegations and confirmed it was false. Since most people don't read the news, the public never realized it was all a lie. The smear worked for him because his opponenet (Sara Jo Shettles) didn't have the money to counter his huge television advertising campaign that was designed to make her look immoral.
Reading that Sam voted against animal protection comes as no surprise to me. He voted against humans having medical bankruptcy protection. I won't go on trashing him (although I could)....but I am glad to see that Graves dark side is finally seeing the light.

" Many believe this should be addressed in state, not federal, law. The founders of this nation tried to establish a system that would protect people from an overly intrusive federal government. Democraps continually try to make federal government more intrusive in the name of protecting us."

Yeah, I mean it's not like the Republicans in Washington would try to enact something like the Terry Schiavo law.

Oh, wait...

I live in MO and ashamed of Graves, whether he is a Rep or Dem. There is no excuse for voting against animal fighting and cruelty - it is pure sadism and must be stopped.

Okay, first of all, what is his opposition? What is his logic/reasoning for not approving this law? That is so stupid to not want to approve this law. And, if he is letting this type of behavior go on, what else will he let happen in our country? Plus, it is so cruel to helpless animals that can't make descisions for themselves. What have they ever done besides love their owners unconditionally? So, basically he is going to ruin is political career on dog fighting? He sounds pretty smart! Do we really need this person in our congress anyway? And, don't we also have bigger problems than this, like the IRAQ WAR, that requires more attention? People just need to know what is wrong, and what is right and do what is right!

Patrick Huss, work on your reading comprehension, you quoted me correctly when I said "many believe". I did NOT say that it was my belief, I was referring to the reason some congressmen MAY have voted against it. The "r" does not stand for Repulsican. I just don't happen to believe the federal government is the be all and end all to solving every problem. I am a cynic when it comes to the extreme wings that seem to dominate the rhetoric, if not the substance, of politics these days. I believe I am correct when I say the Democraps have (intentionally or not) tried to make the federal government more intrusive in the name of protecting us, as have the Repulsicans in the name of national security.

jhbyer, I know that flags are symbols and free speech means they may be displayed in a manner that reflects pride or even destroyed to express discontent. I know that the random distribution of DNA in natural selection determines that heterosexuals will dominate the population as people rarely stray from their genetic inclinations (It will be established that sexuality is genetically determined). Stem cells should be obtained from any legitimate source for research. The question is, based on what comment did you jump to the conclusion that my generally conservative beliefs were Repulsican in nature rather than Libertarian? Don't ass.u.me.

Over 20 Million abortions in the last 30 years haven't raised this kind of emotion from the "Liberals". Somehow it's a heinous crime for a man to kill an animal and perfectly acceptable and normal for a woman to "choose" to end the life of a child because that life is inconvenient or unwanted.

Sadly for the liberals their anti-human agenda is so self defeating. They're killing off the very members of society who would most likely support their social agendas. And if they haven't managed to kill them before they're born, they brainwash them into beleiving that only a fool would give up work and selfishness to be a mother. That there is ZERO value in parenthood, and that children are burdens to be sent to government provided daycare as soon as possible.

The endstate is that predominately Christian conservatives and Muslim conservatives will eventually overcome the currently weak and feckless liberal agenda through sheer weight of their reproductive capacity. The only real question is how long will this take, and whether the desperate Liberal masses will undermine our Constitution and way of life to eventually create a Benevolent Liberal Autocracy when they realize what a failure their agendas have been.

As if they couldn't have learned that from studying any Socialist nation of the last 150 years, nothing but despotism and disaster as far as the eye can see. Even Switzerland the country Libs point to as the Socialist Eden, is a country slowly dieing from the weight of it's disasterous socialist policies. Any idea how many patents the Swiss have filed in the last 25 years, what their current taxation rate is (over 60%).

Anyway, back to the dogs...

Yes, torturing dogs is sick and evil, but far less so than cracking open the skull of a viable human baby, blending its brain, and then vacuuming it out in the name of convenience, much less doing it millions upon millions of times and calling it "choice".

At least those babies are all in heaven now.

Wow! I read the article and was going to ask a question about something I didn't quite understand. I thought I would browse all of the comments to make sure someone else hadn't already asked it (and had been answered).
BUT, with this PATRICK character on the loose, who dares?
Patrick, it must be tough for you to have to deal with all of us less-than-perfect people every day. How in the heck do you muster the strength to even turn on your computer every day knowing you will have to confront at least one of us?

My reading comprehension, r_man, is in no need of work. You didn't just say "many believe ...", you went on to lecture us about the intent of the founding fathers to protect us from an overly intrusive federal government and then questioned how far the federal government should take it. Then you say "most government bureaucracies are wasteful and inefficient. Is the federal government supposed to protect everybody from every possible danger?"

Are you now disowning this position?

If you're going to express opinions that are not your own, you can hardly blame others for attributing them to you.

Regardless of whether these were your opinions, but now aren't, or if they still are your opinions but your denying them to save face, Rep. Graves was certainly aware that States are prohibited from enforcing a law that regulates interstate commerce, so that could not possibly have been the reason he chose to vote against it... nice try though.

As for my conclusion that you're a Republican, that indeed was my mistake and I apologize for my confusion.

Way to go Sleuth and what an appropriate name. I'm sure you felt so clever when you came up with the title of this article. You indicted millions of people for one man"s action and gave no proof that the GOP is guilty of supporting dog fighting. What a callous and biased article. Why don't you go find a Democrat guilty of not voting for this bill and ask them why instead of presenting it as a Republican issue. Have you read some of the comments you have provoked? Besides putting forth a false stement as true, you are part of the reason for the uncivil discourse so prevalent in Washington Post commennts. I would like to say that there are indeed two Republican parties. One is a true concervative Republican and the other is the one the President and the Neo-Conservatives belong to. They are neither Republicans or conservatives and many Democrats agree with their agenda. For those of you who still have a visceral hatred for all Republicans, try to understand which one you hate. Don't group everyone together. While you are at it, do some research and find out which Democrats agree with and enable the Neo-Conservative agenda. I'm just sick of the juvenile, hateful name calling, derogatory labeling, and vulgar rhetoric in the comments where people attack each other because of a political party. Please remember there are people in each party who have been less than stellar in their political careers.
Remember that most politicians use any means at their disposal to get votes and most of them don't care what it is unless they get caught and have to apologize. Some just have better handlers than others. I have come to the conclusion that all politics is a dirty, ugly, cut throat business and that most of them don't deserve to spend one day in public office.

Jana, I leave my computer on 24/7.

Before I am accused of trying to alter or hide my ID... both of my previous posts, and this one for that matter, were signed Patrick Huss. For some reason the Post is overriding the name I've put in the name box with my login ID. Its never happened before, and I have no idea why it is happening now.

Patrick or lostinthemiddle, if that is your true name, I actually loved reading these comments. I really get a kick out of the dry humor (that is what you were aiming for, right?)
Keep up the good come-backs and personal insults. Hell, throw a couple at me!

And... could you use the word "cockfight" in a sentence again? Call me juvenile...

lostinthemiddle, I would never disown my position about the intent of the founding fathers in establishing a republican form of government or my belief that most federal bureaucracies are wasteful and inefficient. Mr. Graves is probably another career politician and it is also my belief that almost all of that ilk place maintaining office and power above the good of the nation and its citizens. I believe that failure to establish term limits for elected representatives is the most significant failing of the Constitution.

Instead of the useless speculation submitted and then denied by various posters here as to what might have been Graves motivation for voting against protecting animals from cruelty and inhumane treatment, it would be fantastic if he were man enough to step up and explain his vote himself.
Somehow, I doubt he has got it in him.

Jana's request: Question, what is the difference between a cockfight and Congress? Answer, members actually choose to be in Congress.
-Patrick Huss

hay, the over/under umbrella covering all the posibilities of the editorial fallout after their embarrasing resignations was correctly assessed after the numbers were in--or was it before. It really doesn't matter anyway. The number I want a correct estimate on is the number of kids who will die because of a lack of a decent and humane treatment of these dogs--oh, did I say dogs? These are someone's kids. Oh, poor Tiny Tim. Pity the poor little devil.

Dogs are the only creatures that have befriended humans - don't ask me why! - and have proved their goodness and loyalty. They've given their lives in all our wars, justifiable and unjustifiable. Our war dogs in Vietnam were rewarded by being abandoned to the locals to make soup out of. Dogfighting is a sickening and obscene practice. Vick should be made to give all his money to animal welfare groups and to labor in their facilities. Politicians who tolerate this vile practice should be quickly retired.

I noticed the comment about how Max Cleland was smeared and his terrible sacrifice for his country belittled by Saxby Chambliss. Just another example of a slimy Republican hypocrite - and they DARE to talk about "supporting the troops!"

Hey DCgal: Wake up and smell the roses! If the HSUS is so animal loving, why don't they use some of the $100 million plus in donations each year to care for some of the thousands of animals they kill every year? They are the biggest killer of animals in the world with the exception of slaughterhouses which of course kill them for food. With that kind of money every stray kitty and puppy in the U.S. could have its own condo! They are in business to keep their salaries high and spend money to elect politicians who will promote their agenda (the abolition of all animal usage for any reason). Quote Wayne Pacelle, "My goal is the abolition of animal agriculture". You know of course, they are under investigation by states Attorney Generals for raising money to locate and reunite pets with owners in the wake of Hurricane Katrina and then pocketing the money instead of doing what they were supposed to do. In many cases their support of animals takes precedence over humans and they don't care if humans get hurt in the process. To wit, Quote J.P. Goodwin, "If the feed barn, and processing barns are away from the animals and downwind, then they could be burned down". Also J.P. was arrested multiple times in various states, culminating in his being charged as the alleged ringleader of a gang that vandalized fur stores. Referring to an arson fire in California in 1997 which caused over $1 million in damage and could easily have killed a sleeping family on the premises, Godwin said, "we're estatic". People, do some investigating on your own - find out who is running the show, what they stand for and what they do with their money. Look at their records! Investigate for yourself!!!

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