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Rove Finds Himself in PETA's Crosshairs

As if he hasn't taken enough heat for what he did in the White House, Karl Rove is coming under fresh attack for what he plans to do after he leaves on August 31. Specifically, his Labor Day weekend plan to go dove hunting down in Texas, which The Sleuth disclosed earlier this week.

PETA, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, was so outraged to learn about Rove's hunting excursion that it faxed a letter to the White House late Wednesday.

"Dear Mr. Rove," began the letter from President Ingrid E. Newkirk. "From your frequent hunting trips to your bizarre little rap at the Radio and Television Correspondents' Association dinner ("I like to go home, get a drink, and tear the tops off of small animals"), it is clear that you lack the ability to empathize with other living beings. You consistently prove that you care less about animal welfare than Alberto Gonzales cares about habeas corpus."

And if that isn't enough to make you think Ingrid needs to spend some time in anger management, wait 'til you hear the rest.

Newkirk notes that the first thing Rove plans to do upon leaving the White House at the end of his month is "go dove hunting, i.e., kill little birds who are the international symbol of peace. You will leave politics to spend more time with your family only to destroy the families of other species."

Her last line could well set off alarm bells at the Secret Service: "I have just one suggestion: Please take Dick Cheney along on your hunting trips."

No response yet from the White House. But if we get (non-Photoshopped) photos of Rove cuddling with his dogs, you'll be first to see them.

UPDATE Sorry, folks, no photos of Rove hugging puppies, bunnies or anything else that might disabuse PETA of the notion that he hates God's most vulnerable furry and feathered creatures. Instead, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino responded by taking a shot at both the animal-rights group and Democrats.

"Will PETA issue the same press release when the Democratic presidential candidates go out hunting in the next year to get their obligatory 'I'm a hunter too!' pictures taken? Just hope they know how to hold a gun properly -- it's a bummer for a candidate if a mistake is made for all the voters to see."


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By Mary Ann Akers  |  August 15, 2007; 9:28 AM ET
 
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It takes a truly evil man to dove hunt and you're upset about a fax he got? After all he's done?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2007 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Really...Isn't this a bit too much?!?!?!

Posted by: Audrey | August 15, 2007 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Dove hunting? Rove is truly a revolting creature.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2007 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Dove hunting? Rove is truly a revolting creature.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2007 9:56 AM | Report abuse

If you don't need anger management therapy because of Karl Rove, you aren't paying attention.

Posted by: AJ1 | August 15, 2007 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Should I assume that above posters are all vegans since to be otherwise would mean KILLING ANIMALS like cows, chickens, pigs...?

Posted by: chele fernandez | August 15, 2007 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Karl Rove, Bill (Big Mac) Clinton and many others of us are life long members of the original PETA (People Eating Tasty Animals). I believe Ingrid needs to rename her organization.

Posted by: r man | August 15, 2007 10:10 AM | Report abuse

My grandfather taught me to shoot and hunt on the farm. I was taught that is was a sin to kill anything that you did not eat and other things my pioneer hunter ancestors handed down. There is something vile, cowardly and sinful about some pasty-faced old fat guy (sportsman) waiting with a very expensive shotgun for someone to release caged domestic doves so he can shoot them. Makes him feel like a real man I suppose. Maybe he should have served in he military, like the rest of us and hunt things that shoot back. This reminds me of British royalty and their shooting parties where beaters drove birds and other wildlife to be shot by upper class sportsmen with their expensive handmade shotguns. By the way doves don't taste all that good, try a Frank Perdue oven stuffer, good flavor, lots of white meat, makes great left over sandwiches.

Posted by: Robert | August 15, 2007 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Robert, you bed wetting liberal, who told you that Rove would be hunting cage released birds as you infer? I haven't hunted doves in years, but when I did (after my military service) it took a lot of ammunition to get a limit and they tasted good with less fat.

Posted by: r man | August 15, 2007 10:45 AM | Report abuse

This is awesome! I never liked anything about Rove until now. I hope he is shooting "rock doves," aka pigeons. He could get them from DC! Think of it--the republicans could finally solve a problem!

Posted by: CH | August 15, 2007 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I'm shocked at Akers' snide comments regarding Newkirk's apt response to Rove's lethal idiocy. Crafting her critique with analogies that point to the continuum of Rove's destructive acts, from the public to the putatively private, is precisely a deft act of "anger management." Only the reader's inferring that our Vice President might prove a dangerous hunting partner to human as well as other animals could render the cleverly bland suggestion to Rove worthy of attention: might Ms. Akers be projecting her own awareness that our senior administrators are awash in others' blood?

To the knuckleheads who attack PETA with puerile puns and slobbering vulgarity: yes, it's inconsistent to attack Rove for dove-hunting without questioning our many other cruel practices vis. animals: certainly most of Akers' readers, not PETA, are guilty of such complacency-born hypocrisy.

Posted by: Ken | August 15, 2007 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if they ever let Bush and Cheney hunt together?

And would Cheney still get to be president, when he shoots Bush.

Posted by: Jolmer | August 15, 2007 11:21 AM | Report abuse

This is further proof that PETA should not be viewed as a legitimate organization. They are so obscenely out of touch. I have always wondered if they view sharks and bears with the same contempt in which they hold us evil meat-eaters.

Posted by: Michael | August 15, 2007 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Newkirk and the rest of the PETA wackos have so marginalized themselves that it's remarkable anything they say or do would be reported, even by a paper a liberally-slanted as WaPo!

Dove hunting is a wide-spread past-time, there is no hidden message. As I recall, Bill Clinton liked to hunt, before he became president. (No, I've never hunted in my life.) Hunters and fishermen are more intimately involved with nature than most other Americans; most of them practice their sports responsibly, and they have an interest in maintaining a healthy, natural environment. In my state, the most prestine woods are the Wildlife Management Areas- large state-owned tracts paid-for and supported solely by licensing fees.

Posted by: NJ Eddie | August 15, 2007 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Let's see, shoot a bird, abort a baby. wonder who will win this one. the bird can fly away the baby is dead. same as dog fighting. more concern over animals than human life. right on liberals

Posted by: beaver | August 15, 2007 11:53 AM | Report abuse

May God turn around Rove's weapons upon
himself sufficient to create
a total change in his life,
so thtat he suddenly realizes acts of
violence recoil. It's called karmic return

Posted by: frugivorous | August 15, 2007 12:21 PM | Report abuse

What's stupid about PETA's letter is that they try to score points through silly references like Rove's quip that "I like to go home, get a drink, and tear the tops off of small animals." Surely even Rove isn't THAT evil, so I assume it was a self-deprecating joke about how some people (perhaps PETA) view him. Then the irrelevant comment about Alberto Gonzales and habeas corpus - oh wait I get it, evil, EVIL!!! Such a stupid analogy on their part, suggesting a deeper political agenda than saving the poor doves. Then the perpetual Disneyesque anthropomorphism through things like the references to the "families" of the doves. Hunting, doves or anything else, isn't my cup of tea, but this outrage could surely be channeled more productively to solve real problems.

Posted by: Bubba | August 15, 2007 12:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm no hunter, but PETA is a joke. They're so fringe, nobody could possibly care what they have to say, particularly someone who enjoys hunting.

Posted by: David In Seattle | August 15, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

1. Why would anyone be upset an organization is trying to help animals in any way? Are you so guilt ridden about your own ways you have to attack others?
2. As for PETA not helping people, do you call a charity for lymphoma and complain they don't solve AIDS? Every bit of research shows people who kill people (especially school shooters) frequently started with cruelty to animals. Take it seriously.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2007 12:51 PM | Report abuse

You people are quicker to condemn the killing of Doves than you are to condemn the killing of our citizens by terrorist, or the killing of unborn babies.

Posted by: mwm4756 | August 15, 2007 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Bubba wrote: "What's stupid about PETA's letter is that they try to score points through silly references like Rove's quip that "I like to go home, get a drink, and tear the tops off of small animals." Surely even Rove isn't THAT evil, "

No. rove tears the heads off of American military families in order to put paut his party in front of all of America. Many thousands of repub's are not even gop'ers anymore and have had to reluctantly vote democratic in order to purge their own gop of the neocon leadership. Good luck and good riddance.

Rove lies about caring for fetus's or any human life besides that of a "loyal bushie". I ask you bubba, are you a loyal bushie? If not, you are an enemy of this admin and their loyalists. Doesn't matter that you happen to be an american or even a republican (ask the us attourneys). doesn't matter one bit. How much more you paying for food, gas, and healthcare these days? Bet your wallet is screaming for the Bill Clinton days. That's OK. Keep cheering on the oil barons. Maybe that makes you feel part of the team.

with respect and kindness.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

When they do a "real people" version of Elmer Fudd and Bugs Bunny cartoon's Rove will be the best person they could find to play Elmer.

Posted by: Rascally Rabbit | August 15, 2007 1:02 PM | Report abuse

"Every bit of research shows people who kill people (especially school shooters) frequently started with cruelty to animals. Take it seriously."

It is said that Bush blew up frogs with firecrackers as a boy. Jeffrey Dahmer would play with road kill.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2007 1:03 PM | Report abuse

mmmm...babies

Posted by: Karl Rove, Jr. | August 15, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

It's ironic that Rove would shoot doves, which are symbols of peace.

Posted by: Misty | August 15, 2007 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Regarding
"Every bit of research shows people who kill people (especially school shooters) frequently started with cruelty to animals. Take it seriously."

I'll bet most serial killers and mass murders started by drinking milk.

In other words, that statement is not a logical cause-and-effect argument.

Posted by: Logical One | August 15, 2007 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Full letter is here:
http://blog.peta.org/

Posted by: Bruce | August 15, 2007 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Full list of all who care about PETA's opinion is here:

Posted by: Big E | August 15, 2007 1:26 PM | Report abuse

I fail to see how killing and eating a dove is worse than killing and eating a chicken. If anything, the chicken probably lived a miserable, artificial life in a pen where it never even sees the sun, while the dove got to have a normal, natural life in the wild before one bad moment at the end.

Clearly, shooting a wild dove is a more ethical way of obtaining animal protein than walking into a McDonalds and ordering up some McNuggets.

This Democrat will be out in a field with his trust 20 gauge on September 1st when dove season opens on September 1st.


Posted by: Jackson Landers | August 15, 2007 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I hear Cheney is going with him, they aren't going to shoot to kill, just wound then Cheney will waterboard them until they spill the beans where the rest of the birds are, while Rove pulls the little fellows feathers out one at a time.
Such nice people we have running the government.

Posted by: Sue F | August 15, 2007 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I am a lifelong Democrat and I have nothing but contempt for Karl Rove and his disgusting dirty hyperpartisan tactics. But going after the man for hunting doves, is just really, really, silly. These aren't the pretty white "symbols of peace" birds like you might see on TV. These are wild native birds that are extremely difficult to hunt. I know, I used to hunt them myself when I was younger. Please get a grip people. Insulting millions of law abiding sportsmen around the country does nothing but drive more people away from the Democratic party because it creates the perception that this is what we all beleive - which is nuts. Not to mention that it plays right into the hands of people like Karl Rove.
Those of you who villify law abiding hunters need to take a look in the mirror. Like another poster pointed out; if you have a problem with legal hunting and you're not a strict Vegan, then that makes you a hypocrite.

Posted by: Keith in Louisiana | August 15, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

I have never seen such emotional misinformation as appeared here: 1.) Read the work of Nobel laureate,
Konrad Lorenz - doves have an excess of intra-species agression (like humans); 2.) Research shows that most anti-gun folks are factually ignorant about guns and gun users; 3.) Most hunters are taught at a young age that it is wrong to kill anything they aren't going to eat; 4.) Doves are delicious and probably safer to eat than commercial meats; 5.) Anti-hunting comments from meat eaters (most people) is an exercise in hypocrisy; 6.) To my knowledge, doves are never raised and released for hunting (other birds are) and 7.) I have never read such a load of BS than I see here.

Posted by: NelsonJ | August 15, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Rove is a hideous, slimy, immoral character that has done so much damage to the political process. Now, as usual rats abandoning the Titanic, he says he will join his family in Texas. Really? His buddies are anxious making room in one of the circles of Dante's inferno: Rasputin, Machiavelli and Joseph Goebbels. Good riddance piggy face.

Posted by: Jorge Moreno | August 15, 2007 1:41 PM | Report abuse

au revoir, turd blossom!

Posted by: sarah | August 15, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

this is not about PETA. It's about the total disregard civility. I got an idea ROVE...go "hunting" with CHENEY. I'm sure Harry Whittington would have something pleasant to say about his trip last year.

Bush administration "labels" Iranian Military "terrorists"..after years of calling them terrorists

We've been fighting this war of terror for 6 years and we are just now getting around to "cutting" Iran off. 6 years later and they finally received the label. The administration has been declaring Iran the number 1 threat for years. This sounds preposterous. Why haven't we done this earlier...say..when Bush gave his theatrical "Axis of Evil" State of the Union speech in 2002. Wouldn't that have been a better time to block their access to US...to declare their military as a "terrorist" organization.

Read my full article
http://newssophisticate.blogspot.com/2007/08/bush-administration-labels-iranian.html

Posted by: NewsSophisticate | August 15, 2007 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Rove hasn't taken enough heat for what he has done in the White House at all. Murderer of people, and small birds.

Posted by: Yvonne Harrison | August 15, 2007 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I've searched the WP's site, and can't find the page where the Mary Ann Akers bobble head doll is sold. Would a helpful someone kindly supply the link, so that I might buy the item and send it to Mary Ann's editors as a more efficient replacement for the genuine (ehem) article?

It's been suggested that Mary Ann is Fred Barnes without the doubled shoulder pads and Brylcream. Certainly it's true that the two personalities (admittedly a stretch of the term) never appear at the same time, in the same place. Like Mary Ann's heavily-subsidized 'career', the Barnes=Akers deception has gone on for too long and the nation suffers greatly because of it.

Posted by: Nablus Weinstein | August 15, 2007 2:07 PM | Report abuse

PETA deserves to be attacked because they are the ultimate hypocrites who have ever lived!!! Go to petakillsanimals.com for the real truth. In the last 8 years they have destroyed over 14,000 dogs and cats at their Norfolk, VA headquarters. A trial is under way right now and employees have admitted under oath this has been happening. They have a worse adoption rate for received animals than most any humane society in the country!!! They murder over 90% of the animals they receive.

Posted by: craig | August 15, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Re: response to PETA hunting comments - Democratic candidates might "make a mistake"? You mean might shoot an old dear friend in the face?

Posted by: rozy1 | August 15, 2007 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps Rove, that porcine monster,
will go to one of the Cheney's
outdoor slaughterhouses so he
can slaughter half a thousand birds.

Posted by: ronaldkritter | August 15, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Ms. Perino shouldn't take this personally; PETA has always been an equal opportunity critic, hence our attacks on Mr. Gore for not going vegetarian if he cares about global warming (the meat industry is one of the largest sources of greenhouse gasses). So the White House is out of touch on where PETA's sympathies lie - they lie with the animals. And, we have supporters on both sides of the aisle, witness the party that Mary Matalin and James Carville recently hosted at their home for PETA VP Dan Mathews and his new memoir, Committed.

Posted by: Michael McGraw, PETA | August 15, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I am not sure why this surprises people. It is quite obvious that Rove, et al, have no respect for Life at all...why would they worry about beautiful birds when our young men and women are being slaughtered in that hellhole called Iraq....

Posted by: Chuck | August 15, 2007 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Of course, first thing on the pigs agenda is to go shoot the symbol of PEACE.

Sick bastard.

Posted by: Ron | August 15, 2007 3:17 PM | Report abuse

PETA is one of the best examples of our society's rot--an extremist organization that cares more about animals than people. The empathy for these inconsequential pigeons trumps that of people. What about Rove's role in torture policy?

This concern reveals a sickness and demonstrates how infantile we've become. We have the desire to place a primacy of compassion on simple, lovable, morally unambiguous creatures, instead of the more complex and often harder to like humans. There will be consequences to this.

Posted by: CH | August 15, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Wow! Look at all of the comments. Meat eaters sure are defensive, especially right wing meat eaters. I guess they realize that Karl Rove is a vile douchebag, and deep down in their souls, they are ashamed.

Posted by: Sonofabastard | August 15, 2007 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Let's see, Rove can destroy PETA with his evil eye while PETA can destroy Rove with their self-righteousness. This way we can be rid of all of them together.

It's a good solution, I like it.

Posted by: K | August 15, 2007 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Karl could go to North Carolina, drive around to some animal shelters, remove lots of dogs and cats from them by saying that he's going to find them good homes, then put them all to sleep and dispose of the bodies in various shopping center dumpsters.

Because THAT is PETA's idea of proper care of animals.

Posted by: luvsmydogs | August 15, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Dear CH, and everyone else taking potshots at PETA: may I ask, what do you do, personally, to help the world? I find that the first people to criticize PETA are typically the last to get involved in any meaningful cause: helping the poor, the hungry, orphans, the environment, animals -- anything. The world needs lots of help folks. Imagine how much better off everyone would be if, instead of criticizing people trying to make a difference, the finger pointers got off their soap boxes and did something constructive.

Posted by: Michael McGraw, PETA | August 15, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Because so many people involved with PETA actually do something that makes the world a better place? Come ON! You really can't tell me one on thing PETA's done that wasn't in their own self interest, for publicity or that didn't make them look like a bunch of nutjobs. I'm sorry these aren't potshots, its just the truth.

Posted by: Wes | August 15, 2007 3:54 PM | Report abuse

The only connection between PETA and a dove is brain capacity. I don't like Karl Rove anymore than any other Democrat, but dove hunting is a sport. If game birds aren't harvested they die in droves from disease and over population. Besides, Rove was never known as a straight shooter. It is doubtful he will do too much damage to the dove population. It's organizations like PETA that turn mainstream America away from the Democratic Party. I wonder where PETA stands on cockroaches and crickets?

Posted by: dbl06 | August 15, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

What to address first, hmm...

Dove hunting is one of the more docile things that Karl Rove is responsible for. Why does it surprise anybody that someone who has absolutely no regard for the lives of humans who are lower than he is on the socio-economic chain also likes to shoot animals? I mean, c'mon, the guy has no compassion and no empathy, period. He's sociopathic slime.

That said, PETA sucks. And the reason they suck is that they are so fringe and take things to such a far limit that they undermine the legitimacy of the quest for humane treatment of animals itself, which is tragic because there is definitely a place for animal welfare advocacy in our society. I love animals, I hate to see them abused or neglected or factory-farmed. But PETA goes overboard and they, unfortunately, take the rest of us with them from a public-perspective view.

As far as hunting, as long as you are responsible, your equiptment is in good working order and you eat what you hunt and don't just kill for sport, it's part of the food chain. I volunteer at a raptor rehabilitation facility and I see various aspects of the food chain upclose and personal. Life is not pretty- lots of animals serve as food for predators and die in not the best ways at times.We are prey in certain areas of the world and we don't villianize the animals for that. As the most advanced species on earth,I do believe we have the ability and the responsibiity to make sure that, when we do utilize animals for food, we do so as humanely as we can. Be the best shot you can be, make sure your gun or bow is in good working order and that you know what you're doing and that's fine, it's part of nature (canned hunts are an exception to this, however). I'd rather see animals hunted responsibly than factory-farmed: that's about as unnatural and cruel as it gets. I'd eat venison(or dove) hunted by a responsible hunter before I'd eat factory-farmed meat any day.

And to the idiots who are trying to chastise those of us who love animals while being pro-choice- how many of you support the war? How many of you back Bush's threatened veto of the SCHIP expansion bill? You care about the unborn more than you care about the people who are already here. Once the baby's born, where does your concern and compassion go? Are you out there fighting as stringently for healthcare and adequate nutrition for all children as you are against abortion? Something tells me probably not in most cases. Come back around to throw stones when you move out of your own glass houses....

Posted by: anonymously me | August 15, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

It isn't always what one says, but how one says it. "Tear[ing] the tops off small animals" expresses sheer blood lust and cruelty and does not reflect the (at least I hope) sentiment of most hunters or meat eaters. It's a short leap from that to a callous attitude towards killing people whom one happens to regard as mere animals. Hence Rove's (and the Administration's) disregard for the tens of thousands of Iraqi death, not to mention those of our military.

Posted by: June Fredman | August 15, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I heard that after Dove hunting, Rove planned on killing a couple Mockingbirds.

Posted by: Corey lynn | August 15, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Ingrid doesn't need anger management, Karl Rove should be hung for sedition and treason.

Sincerely,
A 3rd Generation US Veteran

Posted by: Cid | August 15, 2007 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Dana Perino responded-
"-- it's a bummer for a candidate if a mistake is made for all the voters to see."

it's also a bummer when Dick Cheney does it... actually it was pretty funny. Guy who loves war can't even shoot straight. lol

Posted by: pman | August 15, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Whenever I read ANYTHING by PETA, I immediately realize that I have failed. I have failed to go hunting. I have failed to kill enough baby duckies and seals. I have not killed enough squirrels.

PETA is one of the stupidest and most idiotic of all interest groups. They have singlehandedly done more damage to the causes of the left than the next 20-30 organizations. And I myself am a very left-wing person.

I'm just not batsheet crazy like the PETA members.

Posted by: POed Lib | August 15, 2007 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Rove is bad.....but PETA is pathetic.

This Democrat will be dove hunting in September. Very tastey.

Posted by: BingBangBoom | August 15, 2007 4:24 PM | Report abuse

What kind of a MAN kills Doves? Why doesn't he fly to Iraq and kill "Terrorists? If you want to "Hunt" go to a war zone. That's where the real men hunt. All others are posers.

Posted by: Randy | August 15, 2007 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Dear Michael McGraw,PETA:
What do I do? I make life saving medicine for premature babies and injured firefighters that allows damaged lungs to hold air. It's called breathing. I am very happy there are animals we can test these medicines on to show their safety and efficacy. To not be a hypocrite, I suggest the next time you get sick or injured - DON'T GO TO THE HOSPITAL. Every medicine there has been tested on animals, and by taking these medicines you would thereby be supporting the research. Oh and BTW, have you never stepped on a cockroach or spider? How did you ever forgive yourself? LOL.

Posted by: craig | August 15, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

These people really hate peace! There's no hate like the pent up the religious fervency of the republican party.

Posted by: Animals | August 15, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Lost on the majority of you commenters: the fact that thee single most Machiavellian mind in our government (until oh-so-recently) will end his tenure by slaying the international symbol for peace. How bloody fitting.

Who says the GOP has no sense of humor?

Now, by all means, back to your Lib vs. Con poo-pooing.

Posted by: BDIII | August 15, 2007 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Dana Perino is a very ugly person inside. This is her response to PETA? An organization looking out for the welfare of defenseless animals.
I think PETA can get a bit crazy, but the White House should be embarrassed at this response.
Wait, they authorized it. Or was it leaked?
Jerks.

Posted by: Rob | August 15, 2007 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Not too smart are ya? Hunting doves has NOTHING TO DO with animals. Dimwits.

Posted by: interested litigant | August 15, 2007 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Quoting Dana Perrino and leaving it at that? Akers *is* a tool. She repeats Perinno's White House spin without pointing out that of *course* PETA would lambast Democrats for hunting in the same way they would Republicans. Their issue is animal welfare, not Left vs. Right. But the White House response and Aker's unquestioning passing on of it is just another example of how Rovianism has affected this country. It's now become an acceptable journalistic stance to assume *every* point-of-view boils down to two-party system.

Posted by: MultiplePOV | August 15, 2007 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Shooting is not the same as hunting...hunting requires being out in some nasty weather, walking a couple of miles, employing hunterly skills, carrying some old firearm inherited from tour father or uncle, EATING the critters. Here in Pennsylvania we hunt. Shooting as far as I've seen it Texas style means you shoot doves[songbirds] who have arrived at a water hole to quench their thirst...you sit 50 yards from your car. There's some video footage of the current occupant hunting[shooting] which should be required viewing.

Posted by: john mcdonald | August 15, 2007 6:38 PM | Report abuse

I think it's apparent from many of the posts on this board that it's the hunters, not the good people at Peta, who have an anger management problem. I invite all those who have an anger management problem and who like to take it out on innocent animals (who by the have ALREADY been born), shoot me instead. I live at 6517 Pioneer Blvd. Whittier, CA 90606. Yes this is my real name and address. Please come get me as I rather die than to see animals get harmed because people enjoy being mean.

Posted by: Jason Platt | August 15, 2007 6:56 PM | Report abuse

To quote Dana Perino... "Just hope they know how to hold a gun properly -- it's a bummer for a candidate if a mistake is made for all the voters to see."

Does she mean like shooting someone in the face?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2007 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Only a real a**hole takes pleasure in killing animals. First sign that your kid is going to be a serial killer is if he/she kills animals just for the fun of it. Hunting is disgusting and eating meat is making this country fat and disease-ridden and by the looks of Karl Rove he is headed for some nice lifestyle-related illnesses in a few years. He should get off his bloated butt and go running.

Posted by: maria | August 15, 2007 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey didnt Anne Coulter say something along the lines of this;

"We should invade the middle east, kill all their leaders, then force them to be christians".

and

"They killed (or shot) the wrong Lincoln.

Hell, I'd tell anyone who hunts, to thier face, they should shoot themselves in the face.

Along with that, here is my latest mantra;

"SAVE AMERICA....KILL A REPUBLICAN!"


Corey Mondello
Boston, Massachusetts
www.CoreyMondello.com


p.s. wasnt it the current prez that told the world, his god told him to invade Iraq?

Did his god want premeditated murder to be a way for America to be hated around the world.

Posted by: Corey Mondello | August 15, 2007 7:49 PM | Report abuse

PETA stop messing with the food chain and pick a worthy cause.

Posted by: TM | August 15, 2007 7:49 PM | Report abuse

PETA GOT IT RIGHT. ROVE IS A TURKEY AND NEEDS TO WATCH OUT!

THOSE FOLKS IN TEXAS ARE DANGEROUS AND MIGHT NOT MISS LIKE CHENEY.

Posted by: Joe B. | August 15, 2007 7:59 PM | Report abuse

PETA GOT IT RIGHT. ROVE IS A TURKEY AND NEEDS TO WATCH OUT!

THOSE FOLKS IN TEXAS ARE DANGEROUS AND MIGHT NOT MISS LIKE CHENEY.

Posted by: Joe B. | August 15, 2007 7:59 PM | Report abuse

the great white Whale did not carry a gun, but it was good at waterboarding.

Posted by: Eve | August 15, 2007 9:14 PM | Report abuse

This is absolutely fantastic. I knew of his brilliance in politics and outstanding work in this administration but to actually royally pi## off Reid, Waxman and the Democrats along with PETA, that's way beyond all expectations. Congratulations Karl Rove!

Posted by: truthseeker | August 15, 2007 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Hey Craig, you wouldn't happen to be employed by the Center for Consumer Freedom, would you? The Center for Consumer Freedom runs the petakills web site. The Center for Consumer Freedom is a creature of companies like Anheuser-Bush, Phillip Morris and Cargill.

From Wikipedia:

The group defines its mission as fighting against "a growing cabal of food cops, health care enforcers, militant activists, meddling bureaucrats, and violent radicals who think they know what's best for you, [who] are pushing against our basic freedoms."

Craig, you should be proud to support and be employed by a group of companies who care more about profit than about public health and welfare. Maybe they'll outsource your job to China to save money.

How many aborted fetuses have YOU eaten today? A day without eating an aborted placenta is like a day without donuts.

Posted by: Mister Methane | August 15, 2007 9:37 PM | Report abuse

If Dick Cheney shoots Karl Rove, I'll pee my pants laughing.

Posted by: Mister Methane | August 15, 2007 9:38 PM | Report abuse

I like the comments that don't hold back from blasting Carl Rove and they are all right. PETA stands up for animals that can't speak for themselves, BRAVO ! To participants helping in kindness for really protecting people, children and animals and not politicians crude,cruel, and mean nasty stuffed shirts. It is a chess game look who is still on the White House Lawn HMMMM. These men all look like the life they live is unreal a disgrace to America the Beautiful and its People.

Posted by: Brooke Nugent | August 15, 2007 9:45 PM | Report abuse

PETA is nothing more than an internal terrorist organization, the lack of meat in their diet has lead to a lack of working brain cells, I've seen them out in public, they are fringe brain-washed cult lunatics, they know nothing about the food chain. I have no admiration for Rove but happy hunting.

Posted by: Joe Stalen | August 15, 2007 9:46 PM | Report abuse

It's just good sport for macho wanna be's that like guns.

Suggestion: Give hunters with odd-numbered licenses red hats and the even-numbered license holders blue hats. Then let them stalk and shoot at each other. This should give them an extra kick and the animals a little entertainment.

Posted by: EXPAT4 | August 15, 2007 9:56 PM | Report abuse

If anything, a person should be writing telling Rove to get his fat treason ass over to Iraq. Seriously, there's a million starving people over there, let them eat him. Or better yet, send him to Africa!

Posted by: Republipussy | August 15, 2007 10:03 PM | Report abuse

"..the original PETA (People Eating Tasty Animals). I believe Ingrid needs to rename her organization"
PRICELESS!
"Anti-hunting comments from meat eaters (most people) is an exercise in hypocrisy"
FALSE! If all meat-eaters in the nation were forced to hunt for their meat, prey --excuse me, game-- would be exhausted in no time and all those who can't live well without animal fat (O blood-types, humanity's oldest) would die quickly while vegetarian/vegans would reign.
HEY! Guess Jesus was right! The meek ol' veggie heads will inherit the Earth.
I'm O positive, but don't hold that against me, Dennis!
PETA might be fringe, but great entertainment value! LOL continuously on this thread!

Posted by: Mouselion | August 15, 2007 10:09 PM | Report abuse

@Michael of PETA. I'm a civil rights attorney, and I'm sick and tired of police and the military beating people and the public only caring about their stupid animals. Animal rights is a form of escapism, and says something about our inhumanity that we can cage and torture humans and not care, and then wine about Rove shooting some pigeons.

Posted by: CH | August 15, 2007 10:40 PM | Report abuse


Funny, I used to hate Rove and all his right-wing-nut ilk, but every time these left-wing-nut people get all self-righteously uppity, I feel strangely more empathetic toward the neo-cons and their followers.

I see some humor in the dove hunting bit. I wonder if he just put that out there to get the left-wing-nuts to act up. Every time the left-wing extremists start bleating, it stimulates the middle to flee the left and rally behind the right. Rove knows the game and plays it well. Too bad he's an amoral opportunist out to destroy our country.

Seriously though, if we ever wish to take this country back, make the constitution more than a piece of paper again, and save our species and the planet from extinction, we need to distance ourselves from these extremists. They may as well be working for the neo-cons because they do more to add to their ranks and put folks like Rove, Bush et al into power than the most brilliant neo-con strategists ever could.

Posted by: dave | August 15, 2007 11:13 PM | Report abuse

He's hoping that he'll kill the Dove of Peace once and for all,
forever.

Whadda guy! *gag*

Posted by: Emmy | August 15, 2007 11:35 PM | Report abuse

So for those who are at least somewhat reasonable about the issue of whether killing and eating animals is ok, I'd suggest reading Michael Pollan's article from the NY Times entitled "An Animal's Place" (do a google search on the author's name and article title and you'll be able to find it.)

What this article taught me is that I abhor the manufacturing process behind most of the animals that we eat. And yet, at the same time, killing and eating animals is not inherently evil since the perpetuation of certain species is dependent upon our eating them (after all, who would keep a pig or cow alive, outside of a zoo, if they didn't provide us with sustenance.)

This doesn't have anything to do with Rove (slimebag, weekend warrior, whatever) rather it has to do with PETA. Any organization that denies the fundamental relationships between animals and us is deluded. This type of extremism is no worse than those who shoot up abortion clinics. Abortion should be legal, but rare, to paraphrase that "visionary" Bill Clinton. And eating meat should be possible, but done in the appropriate way as many of the hunters on this thread have argued. PETA just alienates people with its extremism since it supports a world that cannot, and should not, exist.

But seriously, read the NY Times piece. It was a life changing event for me (and my brother-in-law.)

Posted by: Bubba | August 15, 2007 11:45 PM | Report abuse

"Logical One" -- you're wrong.

There is a triad of behaviors which the huge majority of psychopaths, including serial killers, indulge in; especially in their adolescence.

Those are:
--pyromania
--animal abuse
--incontinence, usually bedwetting.

One needs knowledge and learning in order to come to true logical conclusions.

Posted by: Emmy | August 15, 2007 11:46 PM | Report abuse

In the midwest Turtle dove season is quite a big thing for hunters. These are not the "lovely white doves" that are released at weddings, sporting events, etc... I've never heard of caged turtle dove hunts. In Kansas you can go to a farm which raises quail or pheasant and attend a cage release hunt. The birds are retreived ,cleaned and cooked by the guides.

Posted by: Fred | August 15, 2007 11:56 PM | Report abuse

maybe the VP will shoot him in the face?

Posted by: Petro | August 16, 2007 1:55 AM | Report abuse

There is a fundamental difference between other animals and humans. Most, like myself, are under the assumption that it is okay for us to use animals for our pleasure and welfare- eating, wearing, hunting, medical testing, pets, etc. PETA and their supporters assume differently.

Let them try to sway the public opinion by doing such shameful and attention-grabbing things as protests and faxing letters to people who do things that they do not happen to like. They are only making themselves and their organization look ever the more foolish and outlandish. Bravo!

Posted by: Robert B | August 16, 2007 2:32 AM | Report abuse

There is a fundamental difference between other animals and humans. Most, like myself, are under the assumption that it is okay for us to use animals for our pleasure and welfare- eating, wearing, hunting, medical testing, pets, etc. PETA and their supporters assume differently.

Let them try to sway the public opinion by doing such shameful and attention-grabbing things as protests and faxing letters to people who do things that they do not happen to like. They are only making themselves and their organization look ever the more foolish and outlandish. Bravo!

Posted by: Robert B | August 16, 2007 2:32 AM | Report abuse

Mary Ann

If you think Ingrid needs "to spend some time in anger management" you might want to go with her to see if you can center your sense of humor.

Posted by: James Schlotfeldt | August 16, 2007 7:36 AM | Report abuse

I hope that KARL eats everything that he kills. Perhaps a lovely dove pot pie, or a dove pudding would be lovely....

http://www.theweeklydonut.org/index.php/category/dove-killer/

Posted by: Anonymous | August 16, 2007 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Mary Ann --

You're empathizing with Karl Rove?

Why?

Scared of him, or something? Want to get on his good side?

He doesn't have a good side, Mary Ann.

Posted by: Johnnyreb | August 16, 2007 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Hey Mr. Methane,
Sorry I did not catch your comment last night. I needed a good laugh before I went to bed. I work for no company affiliated with the group you mentioned. Nice try idiot. I am simply an intelligent person who can fact check stats. Name one stat on petakillsanimals.com that is false. I am waiting.......

BTW - aborted fetuses taste best marinated in teriyaki.

Posted by: craig | August 16, 2007 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Maybe it is just me, my far right views, my upbringing as a Christian - I don't know. But when I see someone write "May God turn around Rove's weapons upon
himself sufficient to create
a total change in his life,
so thtat he suddenly realizes acts of
violence recoil. It's called karmic return" it suggests to me that there is a problem with some considering the equality of life of birds and lives of humans?
I have seen so much vile hatred from those who claim to be the pacifists? Hip isn't supposed to be short for hipocrit is it?
I teach kids how to shoot - along with that they get a thorough dose of firearms safety. We practice against clay pigeons (for those of you who have written above, these really are made of clay and tar - not live animals) and compete in these games around the world (see USA Shooting).
I believe I would rather see kids know how to handle a firearm and respect them for the tool they are than have them sanctify them and not know what they can do, not value human life like so many of you have written.
PETA is nothing but a front company for the terrorist group ALF (Animal Liberation Front) and that is documented, as well as the Humane Society US, again a terrorist group - vegan group against all use of animal products. They get away with being misleading to get funding so they can profit from their lies and misinformation (also documented).

Posted by: Shotgun Coach | August 16, 2007 10:20 AM | Report abuse

A number of these conservatives/republicans like to refer to those whom they disagree with their feeble attempts to insult their character.
THIS SHOWS HOW IGNORANT THEY REALLY ARE LIKE BUSH AND CHENEY!
They can call me any names they like but DO NOT REFER TO ME AS A REPUBLICAN/CONSERVATIVE FOR THAT WOULD BE A TRUE INSULT.

Posted by: tom | August 16, 2007 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Tom, get a grip on something other than your crotch. No one cars who you are!

Posted by: Antetum | August 16, 2007 10:49 AM | Report abuse

If a family needs the meat from hunting, fine. If you are going out just for the pleasure of shooting something, not so fine. Shoot at clay pigeons or targets - why kill a living thing just for fun? I don't think, judging from Rove and Cheney's appearances, that they have missed any meals because they could not hunt those meals!

No, I am not a vegan, vegetarian or member of PETA - I enjoy a good hamburger just as much as the next person and have raised pigs and a calf for food. Went deer hunting with my grandsons and saw a nice 3-point buck - nope, didn't shoot him. Figured the meat market at the store would do me just fine, thank you.

Posted by: Utahreb | August 16, 2007 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Regrettable there is a grain of truth in the rather hilarious PETA letter to Rove....he has a Antisocial personality disorder characterized by his common disregard for social rules, norms, and cultural codes, as well as impulsive behavior, and indifference to the rights and feelings of others including animals. People diagnosed with this disorder are typically called Sociopaths.

Posted by: No Name | August 16, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

"AND THE FRUIT THEREOF SHALL BE FOR FOOD, AND THE LEAF THEREOF FOR HEALING."
EZEKIEL 47:12

Do Not Kill means Do Not Kill.
Nothing more, nothing less, no exceptions.

Posted by: Eva | August 16, 2007 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Killing is killing, isn't it? Someone who can feel no empathy with a living creature going about its daily business and being suddenly attacked for no reason, won't necessarily draw the line at humans.
Maybe P.E.T.A. just realizes that shooting doves and aborting babies are part of the same thing--the human ego's conviction that it is entitled to make life-and-death decisions about other life on the planet, thus enabling it to kill at will. Rove/Cheney don't just shoot birds--they are responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths in Iraq, of human beings. A killer is a killer the same way a prostitute is a prostitute; it's only a matter of degree.

Posted by: shaman7214@sbcglobal.net | August 16, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Amazing how animal liberation or any attempt at serious defense of animals gets so many folks in this nation, folks who like to look at themselves as compassionate, ruffled up to the point they lose (assuming they had it in the first place) all logical capability. In addition, one can always see the usual imbecilic and transparently hypocritical non-sequiturs in the "leave-things-as-they-are-PETA-are-just-wackos crowds.

Take the line used by some people on this thread, charging that people "who care about little doves" don't care about people in cages, torture of human beings, etc. Where on earth did these morons get that notion except in their own heads? The ability to feel compassion is usually indivisible; many of these folks who fight for animals are also people who care deeply about what happens in the world, to humans, yes, people. And, I might add, from my own experience, usually the one making that kind of insidious charge cares about neither, except his right to a huge steak or hamburger, or "recreational hunting" or other activities along the same lines.

Posted by: obrigado | August 16, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

"Will PETA issue the same press release when the Democratic presidential candidates go out hunting in the next year to get their obligatory 'I'm a hunter too!' pictures taken?"

yes; and so much more. and PETA is not exactly "pacifist" -- sadly, (for animals), they are, at times, their own worst enemy.

Posted by: seven20 | August 16, 2007 6:19 PM | Report abuse

HOORAY for Ingrid. My thoughts exactly but she went one better with the idea he should take chenney with him. Someone should rip his little head off.

Posted by: sue11 | August 16, 2007 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Only cowards shoot at a living being that can't shoot back.

Posted by: VOG | August 16, 2007 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Those doves might have been hatched in a brooder, but they are no easier to hit on the fly than if they had been hatched in the fields.
PETA will always whine about something, but sending a fax to the White House because Rove might go hunting is a bit silly even for those parsley eaters.

Posted by: Sternberg | August 16, 2007 10:06 PM | Report abuse

PETA needs to lighten up. Someone should treat them to a Pizza Hut meat-lovers pizza.

Posted by: Livelongandprosper | August 17, 2007 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Hmmm... The White House spokeswoman says this?? "Just hope they know how to hold a gun properly -- it's a bummer for a candidate if a mistake is made for all the voters to see."

Didn't Cheney SHOOT A FRIEND IN THE FACE?

Maybe he can "hold" a gun for a photo op, but he sure as heck can't handle one responsibly! If he weren't a chicken hawk of the first water, maybe he would have learned how to hold and shoot a gun like I did, in the army!

As for Rove shooting doves... what better symbol for the reprehensible creature?

--Vegetarian army vet (NOT chicken hawk!)

Posted by: Anonymous | August 17, 2007 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if the hunt is a "canned" hunt like Cheney favors...will the doves be stunned before being released?

Posted by: Randy A | August 17, 2007 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Karl Rove can make amends to PETA, Mary Ann, the Washington Post, and the rest of American society by becoming a Doctor, like an O-B-G-Y-N)-and perform a few hundred abortions. That might take a few months, but it should satisfy the aforementioned.

Posted by: Ben | August 17, 2007 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Let's see Dove hunting is a "sport". A small bird against a high tech weapon being shot by someone who more than likely drove to their location in an SUV, more than likely with a large cooler in the back, a few beers might make the "game" a bit more even. I'm not necessarily anti- hunting, but a sport? What kind of gun do the birds carry? Is he going to gut and clean his own catch? yeah they are hard to hit and they are fast fliers, but where is the sport? same for fishing. sport implies some kind of competition, sounds like an unfair setup. call it hunting for sustenance, not sport. grab a ball and shoot some hoop if you want sport

Posted by: dan | August 17, 2007 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Could Rove have been speaking metaphorically, like "hunting Doves" (i.e., pacifist politicians)? Makes more sense, right?

Posted by: Charles | August 17, 2007 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Dear Karl, Please take Dick and Alberto with you on the Dove hunt. Station them across the field from you and be sure to fire low as the Dove's come in. It's a lot more exciting that way, real he-man action and perhaps even provide a service to the country. We standing right behind you.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 18, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Rove shot the dove..
But he did not shoot a hawk you see..ooo oh oooo.
Rove shot the dove
But he blew it down in self-defense.. woo oo oooo.
A buzzard tried to uh-tack me
For what? I don't know.
All I see was an eagle try to fly down,
but M. C. Rove blast a little bird outta town.
Yes he blew the dove and Cheney did not frown.
I say [add those 10 notes to the break]
---Apolgies to the Estate of Barb Marley's "I Shot The Sheriff."
Fellow writers, make you own lyrics to this farce.

Posted by: derrald | August 19, 2007 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Did not Noah in the Ark abuse a Dove along the way? Norman asks.

Posted by: Norman Shorter | August 20, 2007 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Looking forward to Mr. Rove coming back down to the Republic for a little sport. I'm guessing he is ready to rid himself all of that D.C. politcal correctness BS !!

Posted by: Patrick-Austin | August 20, 2007 2:56 PM | Report abuse

The Republican can have him, just don't let him loose.

Posted by: No Name | August 20, 2007 8:11 PM | Report abuse

doves and rove do not rhyme. but it's not an irony that he has his eye on the doves. peta is defending the doves right to life. who is sending letters advocating the right to life for human beings.in nature's uncompromising hierarchy all creatures great and small suffer the appetites of the mighty. there's the possibilty rove will choke on a bone (wishboning though i am).

Posted by: boredwell | August 20, 2007 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Rove may be a jerk, but not because he hunts. So what? Is dove good eating? I would like to try some.

Posted by: Fred | August 21, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Rove should establish a NEW UNION for those who KILL OTHER CREATURES FOR SPORT. vick could be his first lieutenant.

Posted by: linda | August 22, 2007 3:16 PM | Report abuse

now that rove is leaving "the" administration that failed he is free to begin a new business. let him start a union for those who love to kill animals. he could appoint vick as his first lieutenant. that works doesn't it?

Posted by: linda | August 22, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse

man... those peta people must be a blast at parties. If they ever get invited.

Shmucks. First of all, they have no sense of humor (even if he really is hunting doves and that wasn't a joke, it's pretty funny). Second, go find something more useful to do... like anything. Go protest to impeach the administration, at least that would be a useless endevor that would be less weak-kneed

Posted by: thorn | August 23, 2007 12:31 AM | Report abuse

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