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The Untold Story of the Cheney 'Quagmire' Video

When the C-SPAN producer toiling in obscurity last month reached for the tape, he had no clue how juicy a nugget he had unearthed. The tape was labeled simply, "Life and Career of Dick Cheney"; dated April 15, 1994.

When he found it in the archives, the producer was just looking for something mildly interesting to help fill the 12-hour Cheney marathon planned by C-SPAN 3. The "Life and Career of Dick Cheney," produced for C-SPAN's "American Profile" series, seemed like a good bet for the marathon; after all, those interviews were personality-based and less wonky, letting viewers get a real feel for Dick and his wife/political partner, Lynne.

But instead of love and marriage, the "Life and Career" tape offered up a much younger looking Cheney saying that a U.S. invasion to capture Baghdad and topple Saddam Hussein would be, well, a quagmire.

At the time of the interview 13 years ago, Cheney was the ex-defense secretary, camped out at the American Enterprise Institute and contemplating a run for president. Asked why he didn't think U.S. forces should have gone on to Baghdad during the first Persian Gulf War, he asked rhetorically, "How many additional dead Americans is Saddam worth?" He added, "It's a quagmire if you go that far and try to take over Iraq."

The now famous "quagmire" tape, which has gotten over half a million views on YouTube, may well have remained buried in the archives for another decade (and doesn't Cheney wish it had!) if it hadn't been for that one C-SPAN producer, an affable young Irishman named Emmanuel Touhey.

Touhey didn't have time to review the entire hour-long tape before airing it, so he had no idea he was about to spark a firestorm on the Internet. And, at first, no one seemed to notice.

The Cheney tape re-aired for the first time since 1994 on July 11, 2007. But it wasn't until C-SPAN aired the interview again on August 9 (on the same channel, at the same time) that the blogosphere noticed.

As far as we know, the Cheney remarks on Iraq were first noticed by the site Grand Theft Country. When it quickly became an Internet phenomenon, Touhey was surprised. He said people have been calling C-SPAN over the past week asking when the network plans to air the Cheney segment again. (It doesn't, for the record.)

"I was quietly pleased with myself that I'd found a gem, however by accident," said Touhey, who, after nine years with C-SPAN is leaving next week to become a producer for The Diane Rehm Show. "I'm gleeful just from the perspective that it's getting a lot of attention. Any time C-SPAN 3 gets a lot of attention, I'm happy."

Asked what changed the vice president's mind about invading Iraq between 1994 and 2003, Cheney spokeswoman Lea Anne McBride said she was not authorized to comment.

She did, however, direct us to an interview that ABC News conducted with Cheney in February of this year in which Cheney was asked how his views had changed from 1991, when he also spoke of military action in Iraq as a "quagmire."

"Well, I stand by what I said in '91," Cheney told ABC. "But look what's happened since then -- we had 9/11."

Now, about that faceless voice in the Cheney "quagmire" video -- it belongs to Bruce Collins, the corporate vice president and general counsel of C-SPAN who held the same title when he interviewed the former defense secretary and future vice president way back in 1994.

Collins shared with us a funny anecdote about that interview.

When he showed up at Cheney's office, he said the future Veep asked, "How much time do you need -- one, two minutes?" Collins explained it was an hour-long interview.

Cheney grumbled that he hadn't planned on that much time. Collins said the interview was for C-SPAN's "American Profile" series, which would give the audience a chance to learn more about Dick Cheney the man, where he comes from, how he thinks, how he lives.

"You mean, touchy feely?" Cheney replied, according to Collins.

"This is an opportunity to go beyond policy," Collins recalled saying.

To which Cheney growled, "Well, you know I'm a policy kinda guy."

And there you have it: Dick Cheney is not a touchy-feely kinda guy.

Watch the video below:

By Mary Ann Akers  |  August 16, 2007; 7:06 PM ET
 
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This is proof that Cheneys actions to wage War were not in the best interest of America nor was it necessary for Our National Security. Impeach,Imprison;Improve.

Posted by: Kory McFarland | August 16, 2007 7:49 PM | Report abuse

As Jon Stewart recently points out, 9/11 changed us, not Iraqis. What made Cheney change his prediction from quagmire to cakewalk? Could it be those Halliburton stock options he came into in the meantime?

Posted by: jhbyer | August 16, 2007 7:51 PM | Report abuse

What a brilliant prophet!

This man should be America's Delphi.

Posted by: AZCON | August 16, 2007 10:02 PM | Report abuse

I don't how these people can sleep at night or get up in the morning. The suffering they have caused is immeasurable, and the damage to our country will last for decades. They should be hung.

Posted by: THS | August 16, 2007 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Don't believe the line about views changed after 9/11. If you go to: newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

you'll see the letter that was sent to President Clinton in 1998 by Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and a dozen of Cheney's allies advising Clinton to invade Iraq. When Clinton wrote back to them that he was too busy fighting al-Quada, they didn't like that answer and started pestering Newt Gingrich! We all know that the Bush team wanted to invade Iraq from the day they entered the White House. Why are they denying it now?

Posted by: ramsterdam | August 16, 2007 10:23 PM | Report abuse

I had this in video in my file for a long time and wondered why no one was using it. Even more interesting is a full speech by Cheney which gives his full assessment that Iraq and Sadaam was a threat to NO ONE. The speech is found here: http://web.archive.org/web/20041130090045/http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/pubs/soref/cheney.htm

Posted by: Bob | August 16, 2007 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Truly criminal! Cheney knew full well the horror that would come from invading Iraq and toppling Saddam. Not only are our soldiers suffering, but the Iraqi people are suffering far more under this occupation than they ever did with Saddam.

Posted by: timetothink | August 16, 2007 11:54 PM | Report abuse

The people of this great nation elected Mr. Bush and Mr. Chaney twice. Their policies have been self-serving, siphoning wealth to themselves and their rich friends (who funded their election campaigns), at the expense of the working middleclass. Their policies have been detrimental to this great nation's economic and political standing worldwide. Time has come for our representatives in Congress and Senate to curtail or revoke this Administration's manipulative unchecked power.

Posted by: TN | August 17, 2007 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Hasn't this passage been quoted in print before, or words to the same effect from another Cheney interview or speech back then? What is so surprising about it now? Just that it is a video?

Posted by: Andrew | August 17, 2007 12:37 AM | Report abuse

so what. You'll never impeach, hang, or put in prison bush or cheney. If you could you would. but you can't so you won't! bwahahah

Posted by: scott | August 17, 2007 2:39 AM | Report abuse

scott is actually Karl.

Posted by: Joe | August 17, 2007 3:55 AM | Report abuse

Bush and his administration has been lying right from the day one they hold power in america, by and large i think americans are peace loving people but they have been deceived by bush administration in believing 9/11 as terrorist attack and that america is at risk.

so many american soldiers who are toiling day and night in iraq were brainwashed .

it is time the american people bring these war criminals to justice. it will be in the best of american interest

Posted by: Peace Lover | August 17, 2007 5:12 AM | Report abuse

There is, of course, another simple explaination for this. It is perfectly possible that Cheney was simply parotting the line that he was supposed to when explaining why Bush I didn't go all the way to Bagdhad. Remember that, at the time, a lot of people thought that they were wimping out, and Saddam was doing his best to pretend that it was a victory.

He may have believed that, in fact, it would have been the right thing to have carried on but was unable to say so for political reasons.

With these people actually being right about something is merely a coincidence and should not be read as meaning that the statement wasn't intended to mislead.

Posted by: Rafar | August 17, 2007 5:22 AM | Report abuse

America your democracy has been undone, your Liberty sold to corporate interests and your freedom traded for an illusory safety which only the moneyed elite truly enjoy.

Posted by: Cavalor Epthith, Esquire | August 17, 2007 7:21 AM | Report abuse

Isn't it amazing the way Cheney goes right for the 9-11 line whenever he's questioned about anything? This is after Bush has been pinned down on national TV and made to admit Iraq had NO role in the events on 9-11. Saudi Arabia probably wouldn't be any more of a quagmire than Iraq, and they have (or had) plenty of oil, too. However, almost all the 9-11 highjackers were Saudis. Why didn't Cheney advocate invading Saudi Arabia?

Posted by: Mark | August 17, 2007 9:24 AM | Report abuse

There is a C-Span video that aired a few weeks prior to the war in Iraq, titled History of Defense Secretaries. It was a retrospective of the various Secretaries of Defense and on it, Cheney discussed some of the reasons why going after Iraq's dictator after the first Gulf War was not a good idea. Some of the things he says on the "quagmire" tape, he says on this tape, too. Cheney is a LIAR who knew exactly what we would face in Iraq. Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, Rumsfeld are all complicit. They did know! They just didn't care. There was too much money to be made and of course, we needed to protect our supply of oil. Halliburton, KBR and Bechtel, the obscene war profiteers connected to the above group of politicians, all knew what would happen after the invasion. If the horror of 9/11 had not happened, they would have found other reasons to invade Iraq. The comment posted below is absolutely true.


"America your democracy has been undone, your Liberty sold to corporate interests and your freedom traded for an illusory safety which only the moneyed elite truly enjoy."

Posted by: Cavalor Epthith, Esquire | August 17, 2007 07:21 AM

Posted by: searcher272 | August 17, 2007 9:24 AM | Report abuse

There is a C-Span video that aired a few weeks prior to the war in Iraq, titled History of Defense Secretaries. It was a retrospective of the various Secretaries of Defense and on it, Cheney discussed some of the reasons why going after Iraq's dictator after the first Gulf War was not a good idea. Some of the things he says on the "quagmire" tape, he says on this tape, too. Cheney is a LIAR who knew exactly what we would face in Iraq. Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, Rumsfeld are all complicit. They did know! They just didn't care. There was too much money to be made and of course, we needed to protect our supply of oil. Halliburton, KBR and Bechtel, the obscene war profiteers connected to the above group of politicians, all knew what would happen after the invasion. If the horror of 9/11 had not happened, they would have found other reasons to invade Iraq. The comment posted below is absolutely true.


"America your democracy has been undone, your Liberty sold to corporate interests and your freedom traded for an illusory safety which only the moneyed elite truly enjoy."

Posted by: Cavalor Epthith, Esquire | August 17, 2007 07:21 AM

Posted by: searcher272 | August 17, 2007 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone expect that Cheney would admit a mistatke?

Posted by: AnnaCatherine | August 17, 2007 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone expect that Cheney would admit a mistatke?

Posted by: AnnaCatherine | August 17, 2007 9:51 AM | Report abuse

What an absolute shame that a video camera doesn't present an operational threat to a pacemaker. How much better off the world would have been.

Posted by: rcrtr | August 17, 2007 10:08 AM | Report abuse

What a mendacious thug this man is.

Posted by: Jonathan | August 17, 2007 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Instead of quagmire, Cheney could have referred to the Pottery Barn rule the same way Colin Powell did; You break it, you own it. Was it worth it to restore Iraq in order to take out Saddam in 1991? Only a few argued that it was back then. Post-9/11, it was far riskier to have a guy with Saddam's lack of scruples in the neighborhood where we were fighting the Taliban and other flavors of Islamic extremism. We may fume all day that we now own the country we broke, but we fume in our safe homes and SUVs.

Posted by: Carol Frey | August 17, 2007 10:39 AM | Report abuse

So much evidence to support impeachment, yet we remain unable to do so. THAT'S what's wrong with us. We must get these criminals and war profiteers out of office before the next generation of republican administrations expand on these aggregious offenses to the citizens of this country.

We get it. If only our House of Representatives would get it!

Posted by: Winston | August 17, 2007 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Oil is thicker then blood.

Posted by: shoe shiner | August 17, 2007 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I bet that Cheney was one of those behind the scenes players that wanted to go to Baghdad in '91. The wisdom that he spouted in the C-Span interview was simply lip service to keep himself from looking like a pawn or a wuss. Read "Fiasco" by Thomas E. Ricks. Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rummy et al. are all "OG" regime change proponents going back to before Gulf War I. Dick Cheney is an alcoholic (at least 2 DWI arrests and a "hunting" accident) and a maniac!

Posted by: caneiac01 | August 17, 2007 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Lying works, but you gotta stay in practice. Dicko's statement was only a practic ruse from a false flag operator who was sparring with a cable nobody.

So when is America's coup de etat going to be over?

Posted by: muzza | August 17, 2007 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Lying works, but you gotta stay in practice. Dicko's statement was only a practic ruse from a false flag operator who was sparring with a cable nobody.

So when is America's coup de etat going to be over?

Posted by: muzza | August 17, 2007 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Impeach, indict, and IMMOLATE, not imprison!

Posted by: hub | August 17, 2007 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I think if someone would go back and look, they would find that this clip has been rediscovered before. I remembered seeing this same interview on one of the Sunday morning news shows in the runup to the invasion of Iraq. Later, I kept wondering why it was never rerun (particularly by the Democrats in the 2004 election).

Posted by: WOliverMBA | August 17, 2007 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Joe thanks for the great laugh,
"SCOTT IS ACTUALY KARL"
HAAHAHAHHAHAHA BET YOU ARE RIGHT.
HAHHAHAHAHHA

Posted by: bigggg mama | August 17, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

His answer that 9/11 happened in the interim is a crafty cover ... I believe that it makes this tape, however, not such a nugget ... Many people changed their minds about a lot of things at that time ... like it or not.

Posted by: benjamin | August 17, 2007 2:03 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE Google..... Defense Planning Guidance and then after that Project For A New American Century. The first was done in 1992 the second around 1997. There you will see Cheney and Rumsfeld, etc. plan for the eventual war they started!!! How has this not come out??

While you are Googling, try.... Laura Bush Car accident. ....Dick Cheney DUI's.

Posted by: richard | August 17, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse

A 1991 speech by Cheney further defending the position that marching on to Baghdad would have been a mess. He talks about the large troop commitment needed to win back Kuwait, the difficulties of installing a government after deposing Saddam. Prophetic, really.

http://web.archive.org/web/20041130090045/http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/pubs/soref/cheney.htm

Posted by: sdemetri | August 17, 2007 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Why is Cheney's flip-flop not front page or second page news? I think what changed Cheny's views since '94 was a Halliburton paycheck and stock options.

Posted by: Rodney Lamprey, jr. | August 17, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

this is something that was known by the average joe and our political leaders from the start of this war it was all about the control of the oil bush cheney and his oil cronies this colation saw an oppurtunity to make billions of dollars at the taxpayer expense all of the young men and women who have died in this war did not die trying to spread democary but so the oil men could control the biggest reserve of oil in the world bush and cheney have murdered thousand of our young men and women to inrich the americal international oil cartel

Posted by: davis | August 17, 2007 5:40 PM | Report abuse

this is something that was known by the average joe and our political leaders from the start of this war it was all about the control of the oil bush cheney and his oil cronies this colation saw an oppurtunity to make billions of dollars at the taxpayer expense all of the young men and women who have died in this war did not die trying to spread democary but so the oil men could control the biggest reserve of oil in the world bush and cheney have murdered thousand of our young men and women to inrich the americal international oil cartel

Posted by: davis | August 17, 2007 5:40 PM | Report abuse

How many times will Cheney link 9/11 and Iraq before his nose grows so long that he won't be able to manuever his way through a bathroom door to take a leak?

Posted by: MultiplePOV | August 17, 2007 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Can you respect a man who does a 180 and resorts to a trite "9/11" to justify it? Cheney is either intellectually dishonest, or a coward who was so frightened by 9/11 that he has lost his objectivity. In either case, he is not worthy of his office. Truly a shame for our country to have a man like this as VP. And surely America should be ashamed by sharing childish fear and reelecting him. We are so much less noble than we like to believe...

Posted by: Jim from Boston | August 17, 2007 6:47 PM | Report abuse

By the way, someone called Cheney a "thug" above. He is not a thug. He is a frightened little man who didn't have guts in his youth, and doesn't have guts now. He is a typical baby boomer, willing to lord his good fortune over others as a sign of moral or intellectual superiority. Were there an objective god, he would spit on this pompous, self-righteous fraud.

Posted by: Jim from Boston | August 17, 2007 6:55 PM | Report abuse

People become more informed, things happen and then people make different decisions.
I see no problem at all with Cheney changing his position. I am thankful we are now fighting the terrorists in Iraq and not in NYC.

Posted by: Moolah | August 17, 2007 8:48 PM | Report abuse

For those who accept the "9/11 changed everything" story, please explain how any of the pitfalls that Cheney predicted if we invaded Iraq would have been in any way changed by the events of 9/11.

Posted by: Bryan | August 17, 2007 9:19 PM | Report abuse

While condemning the B-43 gang we should all remember that it was the American people who were stupid enough to listen to their propaganda machine, buy it's line of lies, and vote them in to office TWICE. B-43's campaign for TX governor was horribly crooked and should have been a lesson, but it was ignored. In a Democracy you may not get what you think you bought with your vote, but you always get what you deserve. Next time - Think!

Posted by: Lee A. | August 17, 2007 9:46 PM | Report abuse

How can a man that dodged the draft five times during the Vietnam war, be such a war-monger. I know the answer.

Posted by: Max | August 17, 2007 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Come on, folks. Say you were Cheney, plotting to find a way to go into Iraq and take their oil. Say you studied Hitler, as Cheney has
(they use a lot of the Nazi 'doublespeak,' translated into English-- surge, for instance). Remember the excuse Hitler gave to attack Poland? That they burned down the Reichtstag, the German Paliamentary building? Really got the Germans into the war effort. They didn't find out until later that Hitler himself had fired their
building. Remember what happened? Everybody knows Bush/Cheney meant to go into Iraq from the moment they entered office. So when a major crime like 911 is committed, the first question to ask is, cui bono? Who profits? That's your suspect.

Posted by: shaman7214@sbcglobal.net | August 17, 2007 11:22 PM | Report abuse

You are all getting angry and making from-the-hip decisions like "hang them," "impeach," and "immolate." Don't let your anger lead you to such rash decisions that really don't make things better. Such anger is what led us to justify to ourselves as a nation that we should invade Iraq. The majority of us are at fault in that regard.

Posted by: Reason | August 17, 2007 11:30 PM | Report abuse


Bush and Cheeny DO NOT deserve to be hanged -- until they get Due Process.

Walt

Posted by: Walt | August 18, 2007 6:34 AM | Report abuse

ON DICK & GW and on
COSTLY WASHERS and MISSING SCREWS
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The exuberant cost of 2 washers is nothing,
when compared to the cost which we all pay
for missing screws in some Wash heads,
including the 2 Great Leaders.


Posted by: Anonymous | August 18, 2007 6:36 AM | Report abuse

So why didn't Bruce Collins release this video during the build up to the war, especially when Dick was promising that we would be greeted with flowers? That liberal media...

Posted by: Count Olaf | August 18, 2007 7:20 AM | Report abuse

No Arabs did 911-they had no means,capabilities or the contacts to pull off the bombings and the lying by USA media.
Mr. Big Dick Chenney is one of the nineteen that pulled off the 911 caper.
I suggest all get to see the documentary called--Hidden War of Desert Storm. Only escape route for the Iraqis from Kuiwaite was the one highway--over 200,000 were slaughtered--Big Dick ordered it--real sad USA part was--they laid -get out now-free passage but it was a scam--we slaughtered them fleeing folks.
Now our military needs that escape road--the highway of death--no wonder we can't leave--the Arabs would really like to get even. :(

Posted by: jojo | August 18, 2007 7:38 AM | Report abuse

You deserve whom you elect. Enjoy until 2008.

Come election time, listen again to posturings instead of reason, and enjoy another four years.

Posted by: tumblingdice | August 18, 2007 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Always remember, we didn't elect them. They stole the elections....and we didn't fight the coup.

Posted by: alibe | August 18, 2007 10:36 AM | Report abuse

When you do the hard work, research, it is so clear that the Neocons are almost to a man"Chicken Hawks" who avoided military service and combat. I surmise they nevr got into a fight in grade school. These are the first to release the dogs of war! Cowards and Traitors, not to mention Alcoholics

Posted by: Mike in Brighton | August 18, 2007 10:41 AM | Report abuse

"How many additional dead Americans is Saddam worth?"

Now we know.

Posted by: Greyhawk | August 18, 2007 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Kory McFarland -August 16, 07- 07:49 PM
Impeach,Imprison;Improve.

Investigate, Impeach, Imprison, Improve

Posted by: Bellapax | August 18, 2007 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Kory McFarland -August 16, 07- 07:49 PM
Impeach,Imprison;Improve.

Spot on, but I would add:
'Investigate', Impeach, Imprison, Improve

Posted by: Bellapax | August 18, 2007 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Check out these comments from Cheney when he was W's Veep candidate in 2000 and appearing on "Meet the Press."

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/17/cheney-contradictions-regime-change/

Posted by: YankeeClipper | August 18, 2007 1:19 PM | Report abuse


http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/17/cheney-contradictions-regime-change/

In 2000, Tim Russert asked Vice Presidential nominee Dick Cheney, "Do you regret not taking Saddam out nine years ago?" Here's how Cheney responded:

CHENEY: I don't, Tim. It was-and it's been talked about since then. But the fact of the matter is, the only way you could have done that would be to go to Baghdad and occupy Iraq. If we'd done that, the U.S. would have been all alone. We would not have had the support of the coalition, especially of the Arab nations that fought alongside us in Kuwait. None of them ever set foot inside Iraq. Conversations I had with leaders in the region afterwards-they all supported the decision that was made not to go to Baghdad.

They were concerned that we not get into a position where we shifted instead of being the leader of an international coalition to roll back Iraqi aggression to one in which we were an imperialist power, willy-nilly moving into capitals in that part of the world taking down governments. So I think we got it right, so suppose it's one of those things that'll be debated for some time. But I thought the decision was sound at the time, and I do today. [Meet the Press, 8/27/00]

Desperate to run from his previous statements, Cheney is offering excuses that don't stack up. Cheney must answer why he told Americans in 2003 that we would be "greeted as liberators" when he had previously expressed concern that we would be perceived as an "imperalist power" that would get stuck in a "quagmire."

Posted by: YankeeClipper | August 18, 2007 1:24 PM | Report abuse

He's a gut maggot without guts.

We must keep this video circulating.
"60 Minutes"/ "20/20"/NETWORK NEWS.

How about challanging FOX NEWS? This would be a perfect way to substantiate their tag line: 'FAIR AND BALANCED.' I double dare them to play the video during primetime!

Posted by: maria Florio | August 18, 2007 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I suspect Vice President Cheney was rational then, and is crazy now. Maybe somebody can suggest he visit a shrink before he gets more of us killed.

Posted by: fdoleza | August 18, 2007 2:30 PM | Report abuse

unfortunately, we got the government we deserve.

Posted by: flyrfry | August 18, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I suspect Vice President Cheney was rational then, and is crazy now. Maybe somebody can suggest he visit a shrink before he gets more of us killed.

Posted by: fdoleza | August 18, 2007 2:42 PM | Report abuse

This Bush-Cheny administration was behind 9/11! The evidence is there, why is no one doing anything about it? Everyone knows Bush, Cheney, & Sadaam were FREINDS until something went wrong. Forget about what happend in 94 and get the crooks out of office!!!

Posted by: Jeremie | August 18, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Dennis Kucinich, who is the best choice for President in 2008, has introduced a bill, HR 333, to impeach Dick Cheney. Demand your representatives sponsor this bill. We need to take back our country. Kucinich is the one who will work together with all of us to make that happen.

Posted by: Tomi Phillips | August 18, 2007 4:29 PM | Report abuse

This is all a charade anyway--the cheney (or "Cheney") is not what it seems:

http://www.distantocean.com/2007/08/dick-cheney-evo.html

Posted by: John Caruso | August 18, 2007 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Republicans = the money pot. Anything they do is eyed as how can we get our grubby hands on some of this cash. Either legally or illegally.

Posted by: fran | August 18, 2007 6:34 PM | Report abuse

www.9/11truth.com

Posted by: addie | August 18, 2007 7:15 PM | Report abuse

What WAS in that Cool-Aid?

Posted by: Ian Crossley | August 18, 2007 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Of course Cheney et al new what would happen in Iraq. They wanted it to happen. The Neocon plan was never for a peaceful Iraq, it was first war in Iraq, then the rest of the Middle East. They want a gigantic war between Shia and Sunni. They have been fomenting sectarian violence, not trying to lessen it. All this stuff about democracy and peace in the Middle East is a dog and pony show for the masses. That's why they won't admit that the war is going badly, because it's going just the way they want. That's why they won't admit they made mistakes, they want the war to escalate. They want as many countries in the Middle East in this war as possible, the more the better.
If we don't stop them, the next President will do the same.

Posted by: Dave | August 18, 2007 8:56 PM | Report abuse

In order to stop this we HAVE to make sure that the next president gets ELECTED NOT SELECTED! Correction>> http://www.911truth.org/
peace to all....

Posted by: addie | August 18, 2007 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Impeach Cheney, try Cheney for treason, convict him and then execute Cheney by drawn
and quartering. Then decapitate him and charge people $1,000 to release their body
fluids on his head.

Posted by: Kirk Muse | August 18, 2007 9:32 PM | Report abuse

If we had balls enough to impeach the regime that gave us terms such as HOMELAND, RENDITION, ENHANCED INTERROGATION TECHNIQUES,WE DON"T TORTURE PRISONERS, BRING EM ON, I DON'T THINK ABOUT OSAMA BIN LADEN MUCH ANYMORE, The world and perhaps Iraqis would then look at the USA in a different light and not doubt the motives, but for now; they all see what we don't. That KING GEORGE ordered out the inspectors, and engaged in a preemptive war of aggression and when all the i's an tees are not dotted and crossed ya got trouble same as Vietnam.

Posted by: truthfool | August 18, 2007 10:11 PM | Report abuse

People become more informed, things happen and then people make different decisions.
I see no problem at all with Cheney changing his position. I am thankful we are now fighting the terrorists in Iraq and not in NYC.

Posted by: Moolah
Really??!!! How informed are you about those who attacked the U.S.on Sept.11? I dare say not at all if you believe the Iraqi people or even the government of Saddam Hussein posed a threat to us. You are aware none of the hijackers were Iraqi's I hope. The vast majority were from the very dear ally of ours Saudi Arabia. Funded by Saudi's, some it is believed within the ruling family. You Moolah, evidently have been mislead.Remove the rose colored glasses and put down the kool-aid.

Posted by: The Dude | August 18, 2007 11:32 PM | Report abuse

US out of existence! US out of North America!

Posted by: Hugo Chavez | August 19, 2007 12:55 AM | Report abuse

Why aren't people talking about Halliburton in this context? When Cheney left that them there was general anger about mismanagement and stock dumping. But he made it all better, didn't he? He directed billions in no-bid contracts their way, and they continue to rake it in. I never believed that Cheney was a true 'neocon', he was always much too pragmatic. I believe he jumped on that wagon for purely business reasons.

Posted by: Rusty Scalf | August 19, 2007 1:07 AM | Report abuse

"...so many american soldiers who are toiling day and night in iraq were brainwashed ..."

Posted by: Peace Lover | August 17, 2007 05:12 AM

Peace Lover, the American service members do their duty. It is the American people and American media who were brainwashed. Now that they are shaking off the fog, it is too late. Too late only because our politicians lack the courage to do what is necessary, and we lack the courage to demand it.

Posted by: Rick/Sneads Ferry, NC | August 19, 2007 11:36 AM | Report abuse

The ugly truth of Dick Cheney comes back to
haunt him.

Posted by: Jimmie Johnson | August 19, 2007 3:03 PM | Report abuse

If 9\11 is the escuse for a change of mind why has the Bush government not prioritised getting Bin LADEN.They have instead taken a cowardly cop out on a third rate rag tag army.Cheney is a sissy and his boss plain dull,a red-herring to distract the world and make a quick buck for themselves.What an abomination and waste of men,money and materials.

Posted by: ndondondume | August 19, 2007 8:19 PM | Report abuse

SO WHY is this not being played every hour for 24 hours,until every(well almost every)ear in America gets a load of this man's dead-pan bull crap.Cheney's not a sissy,he's self-serving,dangerous and in bed with Halliburton.The Smirking Chimp is in bed with oilcompanies.We paid through our collective noses for Neil Bush's S&L foul-up,now we are paying with lives for G.W. foul-up.Wake up people!We've been snookered!

Posted by: NANAELLIE | August 19, 2007 9:19 PM | Report abuse

SO WHY is this not being played every hour for 24 hours,until every(well almost every)ear in America gets a load of this man's dead-pan bull crap.Cheney's not a sissy,he's self-serving,dangerous and in bed with Halliburton.The Smirking Chimp is in bed with oilcompanies.We paid through our collective noses for Neil Bush's S&L foul-up,now we are paying with lives for G.W. foul-up.Wake up people!We've been snookered!

Posted by: NANAELLIE | August 19, 2007 9:19 PM | Report abuse

SO WHY is this not being played every hour for 24 hours,until every(well almost every)ear in America gets a load of this man's dead-pan bull crap.Cheney's not a sissy,he's self-serving,dangerous and in bed with Halliburton.The Smirking Chimp is in bed with oilcompanies.We paid through our collective noses for Neil Bush's S&L foul-up,now we are paying with lives for G.W. foul-up.Wake up people!We've been snookered!

Posted by: NANAELLIE | August 19, 2007 9:19 PM | Report abuse

VP Richard Cheney, as well as the Resident, George Bush, will say anything which seems convenient at that moment, posing as experts on whatever topic is being discussed.

Why are they any more expert than the rest of us? In fact, they're less expert since they have an agenda to promulgate and facilitate. Clearly, their opinions are tendentious rather than expert. Why bother even criticising them, since criticism falls on deaf ears. The only criticism worth pursuing is that of impeachment!

Larry

Posted by: Lawrence Ross | August 19, 2007 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Of course, the war was planned....they
wanted oil...and they rich contracts for
Halliburton, KBR and the subsidiaries....
Bush and Cheney will be taken care of for
the remainder of their lives...while the
rest of us will be cleaned out. Not only
will SSS not be there....the Fed...will
likely not back up savings that we have all
strived for our entire lives....those of you who voted for them..may God forgive you.

Posted by: Shirley | August 19, 2007 10:13 PM | Report abuse

It was the sentiment of the '94 video which cooked up the 9/11 event/excuse to invade whomever. The anthrax was to scare off potential realists. Also, all signs of life seem to have gone out of him by the 2003 invasion, and I have it on good authority that by the 2012 presidential election Real artificial life will represent itself rather than having the silver dust twins doing their best Hitler imitations before the media. Its a shame we cant get leadership the way we get propaganda!

Posted by: bebeyond49 | August 19, 2007 10:28 PM | Report abuse

WOW. Talk about flip-floppers.

Posted by: justanotheridiot | August 20, 2007 1:49 AM | Report abuse

The transcript of Cheney's remarks has been out in blogosphere since, at least, the invasion of Iraq.

It was regularly posted on, for example, the (now extinct) political forums at the New York Times.

I have had it saved on my computer for at least three years.

The only news is that the original video has been found and is available for viewing.

But the quote itself is most definitely not new.

Posted by: mithras | August 20, 2007 6:19 AM | Report abuse

The transcript of Cheney's remarks has been out in blogosphere since, at least, the invasion of Iraq.

It was regularly posted on, for example, the (now extinct) political forums at the New York Times.

I have had it saved on my computer for at least three years.

The only news is that the original video has been found and is available for viewing.

But the quote itself is most definitely not new.

Posted by: mithras | August 20, 2007 6:21 AM | Report abuse

The only quagmire I see is currently in the White House. Got a shovel?

Posted by: eric | August 20, 2007 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Reason, August 17, 11:30 PM, is exactly right. After 9-11 about 70 percent of the population wanted to lash out at someone in the middle eastern world. Saddam's head was already stuck out as he continued to evade, ignore or block UN resolutions. The administration abetted by a congress with their wet fingers in the air testing the political winds took an action without adequate long term planning. About half of that 70 percent now regret it. The war was a NATIONAL response based as much or more on emotion and politics as opposed to logic. The lesson is, unless there is an immediate threat, don't respond in haste. Wait, prepare a long term plan of action and respond appropriately.

Posted by: r man | August 20, 2007 9:29 AM | Report abuse

I think it is kind of interesting that now that there is video of this it is hot news. I heard a very similar story months ago (Feb-Mar??) where they replayed audio of an interview with Cheney from when he was Sec of Defense for George H.W. Bush in which he said that going in to take out Saadam and occupying Irag was "the virtual definition of quagmire".

Posted by: Doug D | August 20, 2007 10:03 AM | Report abuse

"virtual definition of quagmire" quote was from NPR story - left that out of previous post

Posted by: Doug D | August 20, 2007 10:06 AM | Report abuse

The voters are responsible for this administration and we can only hope they learn from it. All those pious Christians who voted for the "pro-life"president are responsible for the deaths in Iraq. The housewives in Iowa who thought the terrorists were going to come to their hometown, the men who thought that "Al Gore was too intellectual" or the butch guys who wanted a guy who sounded just like them... There were some of us who saw Bush for exactly for what he is- a simple guy with too much ego who should have been the bartender at the eighteenth hole at daddy's country club. American voted in the bartender, and America got the bartender.

Posted by: Dina | August 20, 2007 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Sadly, we forget about the "new War" this administration, with it's unchecked powers, is trying it's hardest to push on the sleeping American public. Bush will seek unilateral authority to invade Iran right under our noses by flaunting his theory of pre-emptive war and Congress will never be able to stop him because the precedent is already in place. Why, is a madman's guess but watch out, here it comes. Congress never held anyone accountable for the current debacle so there's no message. SAD that one administration is being allowed to ruin our beloved country.

Posted by: Linda | August 20, 2007 11:22 AM | Report abuse

So, to paraphrase John Kerry: First Cheney was opposed to the war, then he was for it.

Posted by: Yellow Dog | August 20, 2007 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Linda, please learn to think beyond the end of your nose. Bush is gone in 16 months and the Dems control congress. If Iran is invaded Hillary or Barak will do it. (Barak after he's done with Pakistan I guess.)

There will always be some people who think that any administration is out to ruin our country. There are (and usually should be) differing points of view in a free society.

Posted by: r man | August 20, 2007 1:59 PM | Report abuse

bush and cheney must know where all the bodies are buried, that's why no one dare touch them.they go thru life wrecking havoc and destruction in their wake.cheney is not a baby boomer, too old and decrepit. decrepit= mean and cowardly. and the reason as one poster asked, why iraq instead of saudi, simple, baby boy bush and dead eye dick thought iraq would be a piece of cake. they are wrong about everything the touch.

Posted by: d kuhlmann | August 20, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Lying sack of crap!

Posted by: C-dog | August 20, 2007 5:26 PM | Report abuse

The Dem's don't support a culture that will go after a President and VP that deserve impeachment for the high crime of starting a war for profiteering purposes. The last time they supported an impeachment process was for lying about a burglary at the Watergate headqtrs of the Dems. Starting a war and bankrupting our future to blow up and then rebuild their oil resource (Iraq) for Halliburton and friends apparently isn't sufficient motivation for the Dems or Republicans. The Republicans think lying about an affair in the Oval office is sufficiently worthy of that big of a step. My sympathy to the families of our brave soldiers, marines and sailors who answer the ultimate call. I salute their service, but I cry that this is not the cause I would have asked them to stand up for.

Posted by: LH | August 20, 2007 9:05 PM | Report abuse

why all the vitirol?! hey, we had it commin,y'all. ok, we made the bush mistake once:but twice?! hell, there ain't no way for us to get out of that one! we reelected (in spite ballot irregularities) a troika of elitists. put condi's and rove's and wolfowitz's multifarious hands onto the reins of "government?" and you have intransigent megalomaniacs. quaqmire is too facile a word to decribe this administration and its train of bare-faced faux pax-cum-debacle(s). i still find it difficult to grasp why/how that speciously-addicted trium could get away with this war!! vietnam should have been the blueprint for resisting any urge to declare war.we not only approved but encouraged OUR america, perverted by the administration,to unleash its wrath and vengeance upon the not-so-deserving.

for 8years constraint has become a vice while gop self-aggrandizement has become a virtue. one can draw parallels with the decline of the roman empire (actually all empires). we share their mantle of hubris,that overweaning pride so native to the righteous goliath. and we all know how that story ends.

Posted by: boredwell | August 20, 2007 10:48 PM | Report abuse

In '91, Cheney didn't know as much about peak oil as he does today. If Haliburton cannont get its oil, then Cheney's financial base is gone...then he becomes an "average" American. And, it seems he was spouting the George H.W. Bush line about not invading Iraq...GHWB had more savvy in international affairs.

Posted by: louisianalass | August 21, 2007 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Despite new evidents, President Bush and his administration are still arrogant and blinded by the Iraq War. The people of this country are fed up with Bush's senseless war and the lack of domestic policies. There are much more important issues in this world that the US should be taking part in, such as global poverty. According to the Borgen Project, whose goal is to fight global poverty, US are one of the nations pledged in the Millennium Development Project. MDP is aimed at eliminating world poverty in half by the year 2015. However, this country has done anything but reducing poverty. The war on "terror" has created more poverty, more hunger and more violence within Iraq and the United States. It is time for this country's president to rethink the direction where this great nation is going. Put aside the political gain and stop the Iraq war and stop global poverty now.

Posted by: Mstessyrue | August 21, 2007 12:21 PM | Report abuse

When Bush and Cheney were "selected" the first time, I wrote the following lyrics for "Hail to the Chief":

Hail to the Thief, him who stole the last
election!
Hail to the Thief and his band of merry
men!
Robbing the poor, to the rich they'll give
elation.
Hail to the Thief, we've got a Bush in once
again.
Oh, the things they will do for the oilmen
of the land!
They will plunder our wilderness but shake
every hand.
Look out, all you women who want a safe
abortion!
Quake, all you sick who need doctors for
relief!
Weep, everyone who seeks justice as his
portion!
Come, all who mourn with me, sing "Hail to
the Thief"!

Prophetic or what?

Posted by: June Fredman | August 21, 2007 1:28 PM | Report abuse

To tumblingdice and flyrfry,

We did not get the government that we deserve -- we were deceived by Bush at every turn. First, candidate Bush made us think he cares about regular people with folksy talk of Nascar, huntin' & fishin'. He never said his pro-business policies would make ordinary Americans financially insecure so most will have to work til they drop. After 9/11, Bush implied people that don't support him are not partriotic or are not Christians -- a uniter not a divider? While we were distracted by 9/11, Bush and the Republican Congress looted the U.S. Treasury to enrich GOP donors and put lobbyists of multi-national corporations in charge of U.S. Governmental agencies. He's been operating the Republican Party like an organized crime family -- business gives the GOP campaign money, elected Republicans make laws that give taxpayer money to those businesses and/or cut their taxes, and then the businesses give a cut of their profits to the GOP. Instead of declaring war on Al Quaida, Bush calls it a war on terror so he could invade Iraq for its oil -- that's why he won't leave.

We deserve much better.

Posted by: Chuck | August 21, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

What a bunch of haters you all are. This was 1994 and it was in response to the 1991 Gulf War which had entirely different objectives. In 1998, Under William Jefferson Clinton, the official US policy toward Iraq became regime change. In 2001 we were attacked by Islamic terrorists and became a nation under seige. By 2003 Iraq had violated 17 UN resoltions - which Saddam had promised to obey if we didn't take him out. Wow, Bush actually had the guts to do what he said, whereas Clinton was just a big joke - but other than that Cheney lied people died and all your other traitorous slogans. You people have no shame. Why don't you move to Cuba and hug Fidel Castro?

Posted by: Alex Hamilton | August 21, 2007 4:26 PM | Report abuse

To those who sought to discredit Islam by repeatedly hammering the word 'islamic terrorists' on every pretext, now we know who the real terrorists are - Cheney et al.

Posted by: Mohamed | August 22, 2007 9:52 AM | Report abuse

IN RE CHENEY 1994 STATEMENTS AND CURRENT RELATONSHIP...WHY DONT ALL OF YOU WAKE UP TO FACTS ??PLEASE READ QUESTION AGAIN ..THANKS
SEVERAL MONTHS BEFORE IRAG INVASION 20 OF HALLIBURTON SUB COMPANIES WHERE GOING TO FILE FOR BANKRUPCY.DUE TO CHENEYS STUPID PURCHASE OF ASBESTOS COMPANY .THE STOCK HAD PLUMMENTED TO 5.00 PER SHARE ON THE THE WAY OUT THE WALL STREET DOOR.DUE TO BILLIONS DOLLARS OF LAW SUITS IN ASGBESTOS.......THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN CHENEY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET HIS COMPANY TO BE THE ONLY COMPANAY DEALING WITH WAR FINANCING....IT HAD ALL CONTRACTS AND CONTRACTS TO DISH OUT TO OUTHERS(BILLIONS) AT "CERTAIN PRICES' WHICH ALL OF US PAID FOR....IT AMAZES ME HOW THE NAIVE PUBLIC AND THE "STUPID" MEDIA HASNT MENTIONED THIS LITTLE ITEM ALONG WITH PRODIGOUS LIES ABOUT GETTING INTO THE WAR IN THE FIRST PLACE .DID YOU SEE THE LAST REPORT ABOUT NO CHOLRINE IN THE BATHING WATER AND THE PATHOGENES THAT HAVE ENTERED SOLDIERS BODIES AS A RESULT?? MY SON IN LAW IS CHECKING HIS BLOOK COMPOSITION AS A RESULT AND HE WAS AN OFFICIER;..LETS FORGET CUBA ET AL AND CONCENTRATE ON THE ACCOUNTABLILITY OF THE IDIOTS THAT LIED IN YOUR FACE.... ROVE DOESNT THINK HE HAS TO APOLOGIZE TO PLAUME ??? WHAT A DUMBELL...TRULY A "TERD BLOSSOM" AS BUSH CALLS HIM...WHAT DOES HE CALL BUSH ?? NUMBNUTS?? THEY TOOK YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS AND 29,000 CAUSLTIES....WAKE UP IDIOTS.YOUR I.Q'S CANT BE THAT FAR BELOW 100....YOU CAN ALL THINK CANT YOU???? NOW DONT LET THE FOREFATHERS DOWN ....START ATTACKING !!!!!

Posted by: L GEORGE POPOFF | August 23, 2007 6:36 AM | Report abuse

Yes, we are surrounded by the most vile of leaders, which we elected.
And the majority of America cheered,or at least approved of 'Shock and Awe', a title which should have made us cringe and see right through their intentions... Fright and Terror... is this what Amrica stands for...? it seems like... and none of the media even noticed...
And thus the Iraq war has become a bad video game nightmare worthy of its title with real blood running.

Posted by: Chris | August 24, 2007 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Mohamed - on 9/11 most of the Arab world was cheering in the streets. To this day there are few Muslim groups that speak against suicide bombings and other terrorist groups/acts. You are what you are.

Popoff - Why don't you figure out who really killed Kennedy, what the government is covering up in Roswell NM and other silly conspiracies? You've drank so much Kool-Aid that you really make no sense. ALL stocks were down after the tech-bubble burst in 2000. I thought this war was suppose to be about oil? I guess you discovered the truth, Dick Cheney convinced Tony Blair to get into the war because Hailiburton's stock was down. Do you know what a moron you are?

Chris, too bad you hate America so much. Can I buy you a one-way ticket to Cuba? The country would be so much better off without people like you. Sorry that war is hell. But then again so is terrorism on our homeland.

The war in Iraq could have been prevented if Saddam had complied with the peace agreement he signed in 1991 - at which time even Cheney didn't think it possible to take him out. Face it, Saddam had Clinton's number. However, he misunderestimated Bush. I suppose you all would have surrendered during the 8 year war of American Independence because it was too hard, too bloody, too unwinable too. What a bunch of wimps. What a bunch of haters.

Posted by: Alex Hamilton | August 25, 2007 12:58 AM | Report abuse

Alex ... as we fought the 8 year war for American Independence we should let the Iraquis fight theirs ... too bad history is learned from tv shows these days...

Posted by: Chris | August 25, 2007 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Ah Chris, obviously you flunked American History. The American War of Independence was a disaster, a quagmire if you will. The Americans won very few battles and were out Generaled. There was serious corruption, profiteering and basically a civil war going on between the Revolutionaries and Loyalists (or Tories). The young nation was war-weary and basically beaten. It was only when the French (and to a lesser degree the Spanish) entered the American Revolution as our allies and provided not just aid but actual naval support and French regulars - and General Rochambeau picked the strategy that led to Yorktown - that the U.S. won the War of Independence. So contrary to your completely ignorant statement, the US didn't fight its own eight-year war of independence. Without a powerful ally there would never have been a United States. Go ahead, keep opening your mouth, like all liberals, every time you open your mouth you demonstrate what a fool you are. Don't let facts get in the way of your opinion and Bush derangement syndrome.

Posted by: Alex Hamilton | August 28, 2007 12:06 AM | Report abuse

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