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Obama Disavows Pastor's Remarks

Looks like Barack Obama is kicking his crazy uncle out of the basement.

The Democratic presidential hopeful has compared his longtime pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, to an "old uncle" with whom he doesn't always agree. But with the controversial preacher's racially inflammatory remarks and sermons burning up the Internet over the past 24 hours or so, the Obama campaign had to respond with some tough love.

In a posting on Huffington Post late Friday afternoon, Obama called Wright's statements "inflammatory and appalling" and said, "Let me say at the outset that I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy. I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies. I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it's on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue."

Obama also prepared for a blitz of interviews on the major cable television networks in an effort to quell the controversy.

Among his most controversial statements, Wright said African Americans should sing "God Damn America" instead of "God Bless America." And he suggested that the Unites States invited the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks with its own "terrorism."

Wright just retired from Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, where Obama, his wife, Michelle and their two young daughters attend. But Wright's sermons have been immortalized on the Internet -- unfortunately for Obama.

In one, Wright told his congregation the reason why "so many folks are hating on Barack Obama" is because he doesn't "fit the model: He ain't white, he ain't rich and he ain't privileged."

"Hillary [Clinton] fits the mold," Wright said, delivering a fiery tirade on how "Hillary never had a cab whiz past her and not pick her up because her skin was the wrong color," and how "Hillary never had to worry about being pulled over as a black man driving" and how "Hillary was not a black boy raised in a single parent home."

He also said Hillary has never been called the "N word." (Wright used the actual word.)

On Huffington Post, Obama wrote, "The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign. I made it clear at the time that I strongly condemned his comments. But because Rev. Wright was on the verge of retirement, and because of my strong links to the Trinity faith community, where I married my wife and where my daughters were baptized, I did not think it appropriate to leave the church. "

As you can see in this mocked-up YouTube video, Republicans could have a field day using Wright as ammunition in a general election contest against Obama.

Todd Harris, a veteran GOP political strategist, tells us, "There are hundreds of churches in Chicago to choose from but Obama picked the one with a racist preacher who is anti-American and anti-Israel. This guy makes Louis Farrakhan look like Hello Kitty and we're going to have a field day with this."

Obama's "crazy uncle" problem is particularly troublesome for his campaign as he seeks to allay Jewish voters' concerns about his commitment to Israel and his endorsement from Black Muslim leader Louis Farrakhan.

ABC News reviewed dozens of Rev. Wright's sermons and found "repeated denunciations of the U.S. based on what he described as his reading of the Gospels and the treatment of black Americans."

Before the senator commented Friday, the Obama campaign put out a statement saying, "Senator Obama has said repeatedly that personal attacks such as this have no place in this campaign or our politics, whether they're offered from a platform at a rally or the pulpit of a church. Senator Obama does not think of the pastor of his church in political terms. Like a member of his family, there are things he says with which Senator Obama deeply disagrees."

UPDATE: This evening, Rev. Wright stepped down from the African American Religious Leadership Committee, which was his only formal connection to the Obama campaign, according to Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor.

By Mary Ann Akers  |  March 14, 2008; 4:51 PM ET
 
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But somehow, somewhere along the way, faith stopped being used to bring us together and started being used to drive us apart. It got hijacked. Part of it's because of the so-called leaders of the Christian Right, who've been all too eager to exploit what divides us. At every opportunity, they've told evangelical Christians that Democrats disrespect their values and dislike their Church...

http://www.barackobama.com/2007/06/23/a_politics_of_conscience_1.php

Posted by: mutaki | March 14, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

This business of the candidates having to apologize for every single statement of every one of their followers is getting ridiculous. If I said that Hillary was a monster, would Obama have to apologize for me, too?

Posted by: bodo | March 14, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

An interesting summary from an Obama supporter. Here's the link if you wanna sound-off. Very interesting:

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/obamas-judgment-wright-or-wron.php

By now everyone has seen some of the exceedingly provocative clips from
Mr. Wright's (Obama's pastor) sermons. As an Obama supporter I am
assailed by the following questions/confusions regarding the fallout of
this episode. I have tried my hardest (believe me it's been excruciatingly hard)
to objectively confront the implications of our candidate's
relationship with his pastor. I persuaded myself to face these
questions by telling myself that one is nothing if one is not
intellectually honest:

1. There is an undeniable close knit 20 year relationship between the
pastor and Obama. I gather, the Pastor married Barrack and Michelle,
baptized his children, dedicated Obama's house, has been his "sounding
board" for all that time. The title of Obama's book "Audacity of Hope"
is from the Pastor's sermon. From WSJ I gather, the Pastor was one of
the first people Obama thanked after his election to the Senate in
2004. That, Obama consulted him before deciding to run for president
and prayed privately with him before announcing his candidacy last
year. How can one distance oneself from this deep and this long a
relationship? That would be akin to trying to distance yourself from
half your life. Won't it?

2. The Pastor called US the number one killer, held US responsible for
AIDS/9-11/Mandela's imprisonment and apartheid/Palestinian
plight/killing of innocents to bring down Castro & Libya - I mean,
it goes on and on over, not one or two, but several sermons. How do you
explain how you presumably sat through such incendiary sermons with
your family? Or, at a minimum, continued having a spiritual
relationship despite such rhetoric?

3. Then I read that these clips directly contradict some of the things
Obama has been saying about the pastor. It seems Obama said clearly
that he does not regard his church to be "controversial". While
addressing the Jewish Leaders he apparently explained his pastor's
anti-Zionist statements as being rooted in Israel's support for South
Africa when it seems those statements were never qualified as that. I
don't know if anyone has more insights on this.

4. Our candidate's primary counterpoint to Hillary's Experience has been his Judgment. If people question his judgment for keeping close kinship with someone who was asking God to damn America, how will he respond? What will he say?

5. Obama's candidacy is significantly based on his crossover appeal.
That is, his appeal to Republicans and Independents. He may yet get the
nomination but is his appeal not fatally compromised? How can he hold
on to the mantle of being the less divisive candidate while having an
unapologetic 20 year spiritual relationship with such a radical
preacher? I feel so hopeless about this point. I mean, how would we
feel if McCain was taking his family most Sundays to Jerry Falwell's
discourses?

6. Obama's appeal to the young and the "latte liberals" has been his
fresh-faced sincerity and honesty. To me, I know, that has been his
primary appeal. Now, how do I reconcile this with what his detractors
will call: the hypocrisy of calling, say, Ferraro as divisive? I mean,
folks, what is more divisive than the things the Pastor said about
"white folks", even clearly lambasting Europeans.

7. Of all the incendiary things one can say about race and society and
country where is an Obama supporter or surrogate who now has the moral
high ground to accuse the opponent's surrogates for being divisive.
What is disheartening here is that Obama has forever ceded that high
ground to Clinton/McCain.

I may be wrong - do persuade me that I am. It is very hard for me to
vote for Hillary but now I am thinking about the general election and
finding it really hard to figure out how Obama can keep his
constituencies, his image of being a uniter. How can he? I am seeing
those Republican ads running day and night showing a montage of all the
different ways this Pastor has denounced America and Europeans and
Israel, punctuated by Obama in his own words "I don't think actually
that my church is particularly controversial". I mean, Judgment,
Moderation, Sincerity - can they be Obama's defining pillars anymore?
This is so disheartening. Where do we go from here?

Posted by: Umbria | March 14, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Leadership: responding to a problem quickly and in uncertain terms because one's own moral compass is intact and doesn't have to wait for the polling groups to finish. Compare Obama's response to this fiasco to Hillary's lame response to the Ferraro fiasco.

Posted by: Gustav | March 14, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

The fact that Obama attended this church, with this pastor, for the past 20 years speaks very much to Obama's character. Obama has previously said that Wright was his "spiritual advisor" and has identified Wright as a "religious advisor" to Obama's campaign. These actions and references by Obama do not demonstrate that Obama truly disagrees with Wright. Couple these actions with comments made previously by Michelle Obama (the first time in her adult life that she is proud of America comments) and other seemingly trivial refusals by Obama to exhibit patriotism (not placing his hand over his heart and refusal to wear a flag pin in support of our 9/11 victims) all demonstrate a pattern of actions that show that Obama and his wife do in fact support and endorse the tenets of their racist and unpatriotic pastor and church.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

How come nobody points out that white pastors like Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and Billy Graham constantly condemn our country and its morality and also blamed America for 9-11 because of homosexuality and abortion?

These same white pastors are constantly embraced by the same white republicans who are currently condemning Obama.

No reporter asked Bush if he believed that God punished the FDNY because of gays.

Posted by: jason maxfield | March 14, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

." And he suggested that the Unites States invited the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks with its own "terrorism."

I honestly see no problem at all with this statement, we in the US are so afraid of saying anything remotely differnt...

Posted by: Mark Schofer | March 14, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

These statements are not Barack Obama's. It is good that he has disavowed them. But the fact that he has strong links to this pastor and to a church that honors Louis Farrakhan is going to be a problem for him.

Posted by: DavidNcUsa | March 14, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Associating with radical preacher for 20 + years and calling him spiritual leader shows lack of judgement.

Obama trying to convince people that the Fire Brand preacher never used inflammatory remarks when he present is a lie. Let us look at every one of the sermons Obama was present and hear the sermons, I bet you the sermons were not passive.

All of these Fire Brand pastors use inflammatory remarks to attract, keep and take money from their followers.

Obama is a lier and the biggest hypocrite.

Posted by: Cerebral | March 14, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Maybe if Blacks stopped shooting cabbies in the head and taking their hard earned money the cabbies might stop and pick them up more often. Maybe if Blacks just stopped shooting people in general and taking their money things might improve. Most importantly, if Blacks stopped blaming everyone and everthing for all of their problems and got off of the couch and got a job instead of feeling entitled to a handout from the "Whitey" that they hate so much while living parasitically off of him at he same time, and realized that the reason there are more Blacks in jail BECAUSE THEY COMMIT MORE CRIME, maybe they could finally take some personal responsability for their own destiny instead of constantly whining that no one ever gives them as much as they feel that they're entitled too. Other minorities work hard, keep their families together and make something out of themselves with out constantly complaining that the White man doesn't help them enough while at the same time rejecting education, employment opportunity, and lawful living because it's not "Keeping it real enough". Stand up as a community and own your own shortcommings instead of blaming anyone but yourselves and maybe race relations will improve.

Posted by: David P. Burke | March 14, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

do you wear a pin on your shirt everyday with the American flag ? I would imagine not. Does that make you unpatriotic ? Absolutly not... so with that in mind ... lighten up ..

Posted by: Yo Gustav | March 14, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

We all want to know why it took Barack Obama over 20 years to arrive at these conclusions? What does this time lapse say about his judgment and his character?

Clearly, the Rev. Wright was the leader, and Obama was the willing follower . . . until the truth was revealed.

Sad, truly sad.


Posted by: disappointed in the heartland | March 14, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Obama cannot say anything. He sat there with his family and listened to this lunatic hate for two decades.

Posted by: Gary | March 14, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Trinity United Church of Christ is a member congregation of the United Church of Christ, a generally very open, accepting and loving group of folks whose theology is quite liberal. Some jokingly refer to UCC as Unitarians Considering Christ.

Just as is the case among us very liberal and open Universalist Unitarians, there are individual ministers and laypeople who hold views that many find abhorent or shocking. Such is the nature of freedom of religious and freedom of belief.

I care not what an individual who shares membership with either Sen. Clinton or Sen. Obama in whatever organization believes. I continue to be intensely interested in what each of them believe.

Posted by: Steve Finner | March 14, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

As I understand it, Islam allows it's Faithful to openly proclaim anything the Infidels will believe, to protect themselves, further the spread of Islam, and win in the battle for conquest! ;~)

But, to LEAVE the Faithful, and betray the Faith, is SUICIDE! ;~)

Apostate, I believe the term is!

Posted by: rat-the | March 14, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

He's had a relationship with the guy for 20 years and NOW he steps back from it? And he has the guts to call for change? This is absolutely what he purports to campaign against. If he was what he claimed to be, he would have distanced himself years ago. No substance here - just rhetoric.

Posted by: Susie | March 14, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Why did the Obamas expose their children to this unmitigated crap all of these years?

Do they have the Wright stuff?

Posted by: why did they do it | March 14, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Obama knew this guy was a racist, and sought him out to get elected in Chicago. He gave the man $22,500 in 2006 alone, well after he made most of his racist, anti-American, anti-semitic, anti-white comments. Obama allowed this pervert to simulate Bill Clinton having sex with Monica Lewinsky, there were children in the church. Lighten up? Are you kidding me? Barack is running on nothing but judgment and racial healing. He has neither. He has contributed the problem. I don't care about his flag pin, I do care about a senator who endorses a view that the US caused AIDS. that really helps the people suffering with AIDs in the inner city. let us remember, not far from there, a black man motivated by hate gunned down women in a women's clothing store.

Posted by: Karen | March 14, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm not buying it. It's not about acceptance, it's about attendance.

Obama chose that church. He chose that pastor. HE CHOSE TO LET HIS CHILDREN HEAR THAT PASTOR PREACH. He might "reject" these statements but his children aren't going to be that discerning. Regardless of what he says now and publicly, this is the message that he wanted his children to hear. Shame on him.

His wife, appearently, got the message loud and clear. That's why she's never been proud of America before.

Posted by: Anon | March 14, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's campaign should use these clips to let folks know about the actual type of "change" Barrack plan to bring. If she does not the republicans sure will. This is exactly what we have feared all along-once the high from you intoxication is over there's always a painful hangover that follows.

Posted by: shocked 2 | March 14, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

i seriously doubt this will stop the supporters of obama from voting for him. this PC mentality being used to bring down obama is the kind of incidental non newsworthy tripe that obama supporters in particular will find insignificant when it comes time to elect a president. fwiw, the pastors remarks are to a large degree honest if looked at from non nationalistic viewpoint. we have committed horrible crimes in our history and still do, we have so much blind patriotism in usa that we allow all sorts of empire building mayhem all over the planet.

Posted by: david watson | March 14, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Why is Obama still considered a great person by all means ? Why is he still completely untouched by the news media ? Looks like the truth is finally out.

Look at this additional Newsmax article about Obama's actions and the way he has earmarked money for his personal favourites

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/obama_earmark_wife/2008/03/14/80393.html?s=al&promo_code=4736-1

Posted by: Ash | March 14, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

I would also like to add:

If I did not know that I was actually hearing the Speaker's own Voice, I could have easily pictured al-Sadr, or al-Nasrallah saying the EXACT same things, while being Dubbed!

Uh, NO WONDER Barack Hussein found the Church to his Liking! ;~)

Just like Home! :-)

"Uncle" Radical Cleric!

Posted by: rat-the | March 14, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

We can all imagine how "liberals" would react if newspaper accounts revealed that McCain attends a church in which its minister was a racist, hate-filled buffoon who said the congregation was "unashamedly white" and that it preached a "white gospel." Liberals would go ballistic.

Sorry, Barack, you have got to show much, much more character in dumping this clown and his racist rhetoric than you have shown so far. Let's get with it.

Posted by: we can all imagine | March 14, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Too late Mr. B. Hussein Obama-your done!

Posted by: ToxicAvenger | March 14, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

As an Obama fan I can no longer vote for him. The republicans will get him on this if he is the nominee. I can't believe he stayed with this kind of pastor for so long. Shame.

Posted by: joy | March 14, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Obama's supposed disagreement with Wright and his church's positions are too little and too late. Obama's church and pastor are racist and hate mongers ... and apparently Obama had no problem with that for the past 20 years. To say that he now doesn't agree with Wright is extraordinarily disengenuous and hypocritical on Obama's part. Obama should drop out NOW!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

My word! How dare anyone say that the United States has committed acts of "terrorism." The United States would never use violence or the threat of violence against civilian populations to achieve some political, economic or ideological end...

How dare he say that!

Posted by: an observer | March 14, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Obama is clearly depending upon race to put him into the White House. On the one hand he is depending on blacks to vote for him because he is black while conning white voters into voting him because he is neutral.
If he is defeated at any point, watch for black riots or if he elected, watch for black riots. The one merit in his campaign is that he might not bow down to the Israelies the way the white politicians do.

Posted by: Earle Hightower | March 14, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

It is really ridicules. What is new in the fact that Black people were discriminated against in this country for a long while? None. What is new in the fact that they are NOT HAPPY about it? None. Yes, Hillary Clinton is white, and never suffered from this known discrimination, and Barack Obama is mulatto, and, probably, endured some of it. Though he is the light mulatto and was raised by white, well to do grandparents. His wife, on the contrary, probably, endured, some of things, in question, as she is Black and was raised by Black parents in the South Side of Chicago - the area populated mostly by Black people. What is new in this entire story, and in the information, which is included in this story? None, none whatsoever! What is surprising that Cindy McCain, who was born with the silver spoon in the mouth, and spend her entire life on the priveleged top of the society is "proud of this country" and Michelle Obama, who has endured a lot of poverty and, I think, discrimination, is not? It is the normal people' reactions, and that is how they are expected to react. However, to nominate Clinton, re-elect Clinton after the obvious demolishing of 9/11 is not normal human reaction, it would be fully suicidal reaction and the absence of any self-respect of voters for her.

Posted by: aepelbaum | March 14, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I never understood people that condemn America and consistantly say how terrible it is yet they continue to live here and prosper. Why are you here? Leave. It really is that simple. Discourse is one thing but if it's so terrible then get the hell out. I know many people of various shapes, sizes and colors that thrive here in America. People are literally dying in cargo holds, ship containers, and in the middle of the desert to get here. While I may not be in agreement at all with my current government, America is all 300 million of us and we are GREAT!! This is a judgement issue for Obama because this crazy pastor hasn't been in the basement for years.

Posted by: Kerrie Woodruff | March 14, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

WOW. It speaks volumes that Mr Obama made this man his spiritual advisor and in fact honored him. Surely Obama does not expect us to believe he was unaware of Rev Wright's views all these years? I personally would feel very uncomfortable listening to hate talk like this regardless of the target.

Posted by: needsthefacts | March 14, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

It took class to handle this potential problem with so much panache. Contrast with Hillary's handling of the Ferraro affair.And with McCain's handling of the entire Hagee issue. It is clear that Obama is the most presidential of the contenders.

Posted by: Middle Road | March 14, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

How long do you plan to run this as a blog and not news?

Posted by: James Carter | March 14, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Jeez! Now I'm going to be held responsible for all the dumb things Pope Benedict says. And he's infallible!

Posted by: Jack | March 14, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

-- On Huffington Post, Obama wrote, "The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign. --

Never in 20 years, apparently.

He seemed to be the last to know
about corruption by Tony Resko, also...

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Posted by: RG | March 14, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Why has it taken Obama so long to issue his denunciation of Wright? Are these utterances by Wright an aberation over the time that Obama has been a member of this church?
Wright's statements are totally consistent with Michelle Obama's view on America. These are the people who will lead America? I don't think so. One must understand that bad people most of the time do not appear bad. They usually sneak their way in.

Posted by: BLSMendukung | March 14, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

When can we expect to see the same in-depth coverage on Senator Clinton's and Senator McCain's pastors?

Posted by: Dominique | March 14, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

I think that Obama is SHOCKED, SHOCKED that such comments were made week after week by The Rev. Wright. SHOCKED, just shocked!

Posted by: he was SHOCKED | March 14, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Obama has repudiated the remarks. It's time to stop this "guilt by association" and get back to the real problems we are having with the economy and the war.

Posted by: Marcus Pryor | March 14, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse


earle Highhower, Obama is not worse than Clinton at any point of view, which caunts for the politician. Actually, he is really better, as he is smarter, and he is really half black, and out first Black president was actually fully white. That is why Obama is uniter, not divider; and I do not expect any Black riots, when he is elected in November. Clintons were and are not intelligent people, therefore, Hillary was so anti-Semitic before she needed Jewish votes to run for US senate. Obamas are better than Clintons at any point of view that counts, and that is why they would be elected. Watch and see!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

"It took class to handle this potential problem with so much panache."

Posted by: Middle Road | March 14, 2008 06:01 PM

You MUST be joking!!!!!!! Potential problem?

Posted by: Ann | March 14, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

As a minority I can totally understand the vehemence in the reverend's sermons.There was no mention in what I read of how old the reverend is but I get the feeling that he lived through the dark days of segregation and all that it dished out. It is easy for those who came along after to dismiss or trivialize and condemn. But at some point reverend we have got to let go of the past...I didn't say forget it,just let it go and try to move forward.

Posted by: Tony A Goodyear, AZ | March 14, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Denouncing after 20 years? He took his own children to hear these words of hatred and racism against other Americans and America itself! Our and their country! Way too little too late! He needs to drop out of the race. There is no place for Obama in American politics. And certainly not in the Presidency of the United States of America. His actions have spoken much louder than his words. Much louder. He must concede.

Posted by: Texas Democrat | March 14, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

I don't think it's any worse than someone suffering from "guilt by association" by being a member of the KKK or the Nazis. How about those rich white guys belonging to posh country clubs that exclude? Huh? Answer that one!

Posted by: no guilt by association | March 14, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

for a father(obama) to let his kids listen at all to this freaking lunatic puts his judgment in the gutter. the media needs to play this guys venom every night till november because this country can't be saddled with barack obama as president.

Posted by: gary | March 14, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

St. Barack has appallingly bad judgement. Just read and listen to the sermons of Rev "Goddamn America" Wright and make your own judgements on the type of crap he preaches. This was Obama's spiritual anchor for the last twenty years yet he (Obama) claims to have been unaware of any of this. Bullsh*t........

Posted by: longwalksinparis.blogspot.com | March 14, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Is this the same minister that preaches to Obamas kids every Sunday?
It's a form of child abuse.

Posted by: hhkeller | March 14, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

It would appear if the good Rev. Wright is on the verge of retirement, he's been around for a number of years. It's reported Senator Obama was a member of Wright's church close to twenty years, it is difficult to believe his [Wright] sermons have just started to discuss his views about life in America for a black man. Where my concern is; people in general, stick rather close together with others with similar likes, believes, language, etc.

If Rev. Wright's sermons are distasteful now for the Senator, one would think that other sermons would have given him a moment of pause over the years.

Posted by: jphoward18 | March 14, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

"I don't think it's any worse than someone suffering from "guilt by association" by being a member of the KKK or the Nazis. How about those rich white guys belonging to posh country clubs that exclude? Huh? Answer that one!"
___________________
Good point. This is exactly like a presidential candidate belonging to a hate group--in fact, it's identical to that.

Posted by: AMAZD | March 14, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

What once was a shared philosophy for 20 years only becomes "inflammatory and appalling" when your running for president.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

as far as i can tell the pastor is the only honest person in this. thank you rev. for making things clear.

Posted by: gary | March 14, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

At the invitation of a friend, I once attended her church in the small southern town where I was living. The preacher, a woman, gave a hate filled sermon about homosexuality and how gays would burn in hell for eternity. I sat there, wanting to get up and walk out, but not wanting to embarrass my friend. Afterward, I admonished her for attending this church and assured her that I had no intention of ever setting foot in the place again. This was not a hard thing for me to do, not at all, I was completely disgusted and offended by the sermon because I sincerely disagreed with it. It all comes down to individual character, values and "judgment".

Posted by: brigittepj | March 14, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

We all want to know why Obama was "inflamed" for over 20 years?

Posted by: youth for truth | March 14, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

The pastor is not running for president. We can only be responsible for our own words and actions.

Posted by: tgmn Grillo | March 14, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Obama

Has made his statement concerning the minster. Lets move on!

Posted by: Larry W San Diego | March 14, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

It shows what a racist Obama is. He hates America and white people. Black people should be thanking America for the good easy life they have here. Look at Africa with all its diseases and wars. I hope white people vote as solidly for a white candidate as black do. Wake up America and see the threat this Obama is to the future of the country....

Posted by: Greg | March 14, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

The candidates beliefs and actions are what is important, not someone else's.

Why isn't the media instead pillorying Hillary for claiming that she didn't agree to not count the Michigan primary? Even though she agreed with the other candidates and the DNC that it wouldn't count, she now claims her 55% win against UNCOMMITTED is a fair and valid result that should be used for the nomination.

How on earth can any self-respecting Democrat give such a cheater the time of day?

Posted by: LouiseFletcher | March 14, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

LOL!

Obama Supporters!

"I will support Obama no matter what! He has what I think is NEEDED!
AND, I want EVERYONE to know; I am NOT Drain Bamaged from that three story fall I was operated for on!"

"Dee-Dee-Dee"! ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | March 14, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

In this article the author has no problem with printing the Lord's name in vain, but can't seem to bring themselves to print "the N word".

Posted by: Michael Price | March 14, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

That's it. I'm not going to vote for Rev. Jeremiah White.

Posted by: TLW | March 14, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

What about the children?
Is it ok to expose kids to hate when they are too young to understand "Nuanced hate"/

Posted by: hhkeller | March 14, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

This seems like the classic definition of a gaffe: the pastor screwed up and told the truth. Can't have that in the ol' USofA...

Posted by: Ace | March 14, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

How about the preachers who say EVERY Sunday that unless you are a member of my church YOU are going to HELL. how about that?

Posted by: Rosa | March 14, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

"." And he suggested that the Unites States invited the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks with its own "terrorism."

I honestly see no problem at all with this statement, we in the US are so afraid of saying anything remotely differnt..."
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If Obama feels this way, let him say it. If he doesn't, why has he not repudiated Wright for saying it. Why has he just now noticed his "spiritual adviser" is out of the mainstream?

Posted by: AMAZD | March 14, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Before the election got underway, I called in a bunch of favors in Washington and got all the candidates checked out in detail.

The most interesting information came from the staffers who do the actual work.

They all gave high marks to Hillary and said that all Obama ever talked about or spent time on was his image.

Contacts higher up told me that Hillary is highly respected on both sides of the isle.

I used multiple references for each candidate.

The references on Obama were so universally negative that I went the extra step and had him checked out in Chicago and then went farther back to contacts who had known him at Harvard.

I've never gotten such a bad set of references on a well known politician.

I've never gotten the kind of negatives I've gotten about Obama with respect to any senior person at all.

I'm not going to be the least bit surprised to see him indicited.

What he did in Chicago shows such a complete lack of concern for one's fellow human beings that its chilling.

This is a very poor method of getting the word out.

When I found out about the book "Obama's Slums" I found that lots of other people are following similar leads.

They write far better than I, and have access to a much wider base of readers, listeners, and viewers.

It will be interesting to see the results of their efforts.

Posted by: sveader | March 14, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Ok, let's face it. A lot of what the reverend said is crap, i.e. any racist statemens. But a lot of it is also true, i.e. Hillary never had to worry about being pulled over as a black man driving.

But it is sort of beside the point. Obama didn't say this stuff. Someone else did. And he has completely distanced himself from the comments.

There are tons of people I know, work with, and even have pretty close relationships with, who say really stupid things---things just as stpid as Wright. I think most folks are in this position. But it does not mean that this is our POV.

Posted by: Brendan | March 14, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Wheather your black, white, green or purple. Where is the love of a God that gave his only begotton son for our sin. One thing is for sure... you cant find it anywhere in the political arena no matter of your affiliation.

Posted by: Michael Walters | March 14, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Any of us who goes to church hears tons of total nonsense every Sunday. So did Obama.

Posted by: George11 | March 14, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Last person standing: aepelbaum.

Do you have no shame? Is nothing sacred to you? I have been following your postings on these boards for all these months and you should be ashamed of yourself. Your attempt to justify Obama/Parson has totally compromised your credibility.

Remember this name, folks: AEPELBAUM. Nothing is sacred for people like him. Disgraceful.

Posted by: Umbria | March 14, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

As a former Obama supporter, I simply cannot understand how Barak was not vetted earlier. Why did Barak not himself bring this to public attention? Did he think none of this would come out? He could have dealt with this a year ago if he had been forthright. Why did his campaign handlers not see this? Did they not know? Did they so underestimate the American public that they thought we wouldn't care? I am absolutely SHOCKED at the stupidity of the Obama camp. This Democrat is voting for Hillary in four weeks and McCain in November.

Posted by: Don, Philadelphia | March 14, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

SV reader is a lunatic.

Posted by: andre gill | March 14, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Really, how many posting here are a member of a denomination that does say no believers, those who do not accept Jesus as their personal savior are not going to heaven?

Posted by: Rosa | March 14, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Has Rev. Wright said anything that can be proven false? If Mr. Obama sat and listened to 'this lunatic', then maybe it qualifies him to listen to other lunatics as president, such as the lunatics that got us into this war in Iraq. We seem to want to quickly rush to judgment and once judged we want to close our minds to opinions that we find unflattering. Perhaps the nation could actually grow if it took the time to critically examine itself. The old ways of declaring our nation to be infallible and moving on no longer flies in the modern world. I think the Emperor not has no clothes, but his birthday suit is also in a state of disrepair.

Posted by: msmart2 | March 14, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

How can anyone, especially any person of color, still support Obama knowing that he let the people of color who voted for him in Chicago freeze to death in horrible slums?

It doesn't make any sense.

How could anybody support a man who shafts his own people after promising to protect them?

That's cold as can be.

Please Watch this report on Obama, Obama's slums, Rezko, and $100M of wasted taxpayer money, from Channel 5, Chicago's most respected TV news program.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHsHM0laT8&feature=related

Posted by: svreader | March 14, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

-- Hillary's campaign should use these clips to let folks know about the actual type of "change" Barrack plan to bring. If she does not the republicans sure will. --


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Hillary has never mentioned this church
and won't. But the other critiques - 3 AM,
Resko, NAFTAgate - she is doing Dems a
huge favor by being hardball enough to
use them. We have to vett this guy now,
there is no 2 ways about it.

If he can be seriously discredited, but
he gets a cakewalk in the primaries,
everyone knows the GOP will proceed
to do it in the fall. It will be 10 times
as vicious - just look at Rep. King's
remarks this week.

If he is to implode, which now looks
increasingly possible, Hillary will not
only save the election from another
4 years of Bush/McSame, she will also
ask him on the ticket for unity and
so he can apprentice for 2016.

It's an excellent outcome. This despite
Media Inc. telling you daily how they
are tearing the party apart with the
drawn out contest. Nonsense. We need
to see how these candidates weather it.


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Posted by: RG | March 14, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Don, Philadelphia. Sure you were a former Obama supporter. That is why you can't evev spell his name.

Quit lying.

Posted by: Brendan | March 14, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Huffingtonpost is nothing but a cyber toilet that constantly salivates for the chance to kiss Barack's pathetic lying ass. That's what self-hating liberals do... and they do it well.

Posted by: longwalksinparis.blogspot.com | March 14, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

At least Obama goes to church...

Posted by: Russ | March 14, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Sad thing is, I agree with most of what he says. I'm a white man from North Carolina. Apparently we aren't responsible for killing more innocent civillians since Vietnam than all other countries combined (excluding the Rawandan genocide). The war in Iraq has claimed 150,000 innocent civillians (by US estimates) 300,000 is a more probable estimate. Apparently we cannot criticize govn't policies or we are unpatriotic. This is called facism. Bin Laden did not bomb Belgium. Islamic Terrorist don't attack Chinese embassies. WAKE UP. 9/11 is an UNDENIABLE response to American foreign policy. Just ask the alleged perpetrators. I am not justifying what they did, I'm simply stating the facts. That's right fellow Americans, I'm thinking for my self, using reason AND logic at the same time. Some people might resist American global hegemony. Some might resist voilently. It is an inescapable truth.

Posted by: Jon Patrick | March 14, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

An intelligent person would not knowingly expose himself and family, especially young children, to such venom and hate for this many years unless he thought along the same lines. Until viewing the hate sermons of Wright, I was an Obama supporter. No more. The face behind the Obama mask is beginning to emerge and it is not handsome.

Posted by: D Beak | March 14, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

To ToxicAvenger:

"Too late Mr. B. Hussein Obama-your done!"

All you can do is attack him for his MIDDLE NAME, and use "your" when you mean "you're".

Gee, ToxicAvenger, is your middle name "useless"?

Posted by: Bruce, Colorado Springs | March 14, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Oops!
Has Rev. Wright said anything that can be proven false? If Mr. Obama sat and listened to 'this lunatic', then maybe it qualifies him to listen to other lunatics as president, such as the lunatics that got us into this war in Iraq. We seem to want to quickly rush to judgment and once judged we want to close our minds to opinions that we find unflattering. Perhaps the nation could actually grow if it took the time to critically examine itself. The old ways of declaring our nation to be infallible and moving on no longer flies in the modern world. I think the Emperor not ONLY has no clothes, but his birthday suit is also in a state of disrepair.

Posted by: msmart2 | March 14, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Thanks to George Bush, Barack Obama will be our next president. Go Obama! Grab the broom and get ready for a good fight as they throw trash in your way.

Posted by: charles | March 14, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Barrack Obama is a racist. period.

Posted by: john ginsberg | March 14, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

This concerns CNN and Lou Dobbs. As Obama supporters, we need to voice our deepest concerns to CNN against Lou Dobbs bigotry and racism. We should boycott CNN if CNN does not sack Lou Dobbs who is thinking of running for President as an Independent. Lou Dobbs is using CNN to maliciously attack Obama's character and integrity on a daily basis. Lou Dobbs is using race and religion to attack Obama without any restraint. He is even supporting Geraldine Ferraro in her attacks against Obama. Lou Dobbs' comments are inflammatory and full of racial prejudice and hatred. We do not expect CNN to allow this kind of propaganda coming out from the mouth of this idiot and buffoon. Lou Dobbs is getting weird by the day. His incessant attack on people of color, Blacks and Latinos included, is getting tired and nonsensical. He needs to take a break. Lou Dobb's xenophobia is becoming delusional and psychotic. Obama supporters we need to make a forceful objection to CNN and demand that this bigot be sacked and removed from his broadcast.

Posted by: Matt | March 14, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm aware that these comments by the preacher are inflammatory and they will probably hurt Obama's chances in this election but perhaps the most unfortunate truth to retain from this is that everything the preacher said is absolutely correct. We are so twisted as a society that we no longer want to hear the truth.

Posted by: cal | March 14, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

This is just another tactic to distract voters and take the candidates off their game. No one has bothered to take the time to focus on the issues that trouble American and the rest of the world for the last few weeks because of this political gaming. As we sit here and engage in this nonsense that is purposely put forward to distract voters, real people of America are facing terrible issues such as poverty, joblessness, home foreclosures and rising health care costs. Unfortunately, the Democrats are going to give up the general election to the Republicans due to this incessant bickering and politicking... and EVERYONE that has contributed and played into this madness will be to blame. Barack Obama is a good person who only has the best intentions for this country. He is not out to harm the country and he is not trying to hide any negative covert feelings about America. I really don't understand why so many people want to get in the way of a candidate's mission to bring hope and positive change to America. I think fear has a big part of it and this issue with the pastor is playing into that 'fear' factor that this current administration has used to play us all like a fiddle. Let's get back to what matters and judge the candidates based on their plans to bring the country together and forward to mend the issues that have become so prominent while Bush has been in office. Enough of this politicking drama!

Posted by: Sarah | March 14, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

However, Reverend Wright still remains on the committe in Barak's campaign because it's ok for Obama's minister to be racist and A BIGOT.

Imagine if this was Hillary's ministe FOR 20 YEARS.

This speaks volumes about the judgement Barak has to stay with this hateful person for 20 years, getting married by him, having his daughter baptized by him, giving him money, claiming him as his mentor and so on and so forth.

I would not let my children listen to this hateful person for one second let alone every week for 20 years.

Explains Michelle's attitude doesn't it. I almost can't wait to see what the republicans have in store for this phony "messiah" of a man.

Obamanites, if you defend this then you are in a cult. This is inexcusable. After all the hate for Geraldine, now this.

FIRE REVEREND WRIGHT OBAMA, do the right thing.

Oh and Keith Oberman, how do you like your candidate now?

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget out of those 40 years how many souls, including Obama's, have been saved by this crazy person. Denounce the few "anti" statements he's made if you must, although you might want to try being black in south side of Chicago first , then remember you are Christian and in the business of saving souls.

Posted by: There is a God | March 14, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

"Obama's Slums" in Chicago never got fixed thanks to Rezko and company.
Obama either didnt care or didnt care.
I saw that news program and was similarly appalled. No wonder Rezko is on trial.

Obamas choice for spirtual mentor is wierd.
I cant imagine taking kids to a service like that. Just too vugar.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

SVreader. "I called in a bunch of favors in Washington".

Get real. You are lying. Why in the world do you spend all day every day posting if you have a life?

Posted by: alba | March 14, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Obama..sounds like Osama...Hussien...no explanation required..Barak..it sure ain't Smith or Jones!!!

Oh...he didn't know his pastor made these remarks...with such perception...makes him a good candidate for President!! Great ability to lie! Another plus for the job!!

Hilliary...McCain??? Looks like the USA is on it's final lap!

Posted by: ezgo_n | March 14, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Obama is lying. There's no way that he attended that church for 20 years and never heard Wright speak that way. He exposed his children to this. He gave him $22,500 in 2006. To repeat, Obama is lying. Could I clarify? Obama is lying. I meant to say, Obama is lying.

Posted by: MoreMoxie | March 14, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

"It took class to handle this potential problem with so much panache."

Posted by: Middle Road | March 14, 2008 06:01 PM

You MUST be joking!!!!!!! Potential problem?

Posted by: Ann | March 14, 2008 06:07 PM
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Yep. potential. Do you need a link to a dictionary? Considering how long it took Hilton to give a half hearted "denunication" of Ferraro, I think Obama had a few more weeks to deal with this.
Face it. Hillary handled Gerry's vitriol in a very ham-handed way. McCain still pretends there is no problem with Hagee. Obama is the only one who has come out and explained himself to us. Hillary doesn't think she needs to explain anything to us mere mortals.
I suggest you read the post by Obama, rather than the filtered crap on this page. The man is a class act
Obama 08!

Posted by: Middle Road | March 14, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

WAIT! I thought he was a Muslim. I'm losing track now. First, we shouldn't vote for him because he is a closet Muslim. Now we shouldn't vote for him because he is a radical Christian. Any day now we are going to find out that he is really a Jew with an addiction to pork.
Tsk, tsk. This just means that I can't vote for him now. I'll have to either vote for the old white guy who'll keep us in Iraq for 100 years or the middle age white woman who refuses to release her White House records or tax returns.

Posted by: Betty | March 14, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

If Senator Obama actually espoused Rev. Wright's hateful attitudes, those attitudes would be evident in his speeches, his interviews, and in the debates, where he has had every opportunity to fire up on Senator Clinton for her many below-the-belt tactics.
In fact, it is to Senator Obama's CREDIT
that he handled the Ferraro debacle so well and that he continues to run a positive, inspiring campaign that seeks to unite Americans, not divide them, as the Clinton campaign has attempted to do--REPEATEDLY! Judge a person by his or her own words and actions, not by the words and actions of others with whom they sometimes associate.

Posted by: harrytichbaum | March 14, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Don, Philadelphia. Sure you were a former Obama supporter. That is why you can't evev spell his name.

Quit lying.

Posted by: Brendan | March 14, 2008 06:23 PM
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Your spelling is perfect, Brendan. Care to read your posting again?

Posted by: Umbria | March 14, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

To all those blowing a gasket over this preacher's remarks: I assume you'll be calling for John McCain to disavow John Hagee for the horrible, hateful things he said -- oh, also Jerry Falwell, who also blamed a lot of innocent Americans for the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
Why of course not, because anything the Religious Right does is just fine.
The hypocrisy really stinks.

Posted by: vegasgirl | March 14, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Funny how all the anti-Obama statements have the same mis-spelling of his first name.

Do I see SVreader posting under multiple headings again? Ha ha!

Posted by: Brendan | March 14, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Hi folks! I am amazed by the generalizations of Obama's camp in decryinmg this type of
so=called attack of Rev Wright to our country and to 911. He has been his pastor for 220 years and he had learned this before his campaign, but he never say a word to disassociate himself neither disagree on these statements.It is only now that he is running as president that he disowns and condemns it. This is what we calL hope and change, if not hypocrisy!

Posted by: Francis Magno | March 14, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Oh NOW Obama SUDDENLY denounces it. His initial reaction was "It's like an old uncle who says things you don't agree with" no big deal right? Hey Obama! just words? Obama is SO full of it. Who is the one saying anything to get elected again?

VOTE FOR HILLARY BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.

WE CANNOT AFFORD TO ELECT ANOTHER MISTAKE.

Posted by: Hillary All the Way!!!! | March 14, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

,Humm, What about Mitts church he is Mormon no one said any thing to him. Go Figure these people are so hateful of Obama. Fox, CNN, MSNBC and ABC, WOW!

"Now WE ARE GENEROUS WITH THE NEGRO. WE ARE WILLING that the Negro have the highest kind of education. I WOULD BE WILLING to LET every Negro DRIVE A CADILLAC IF THEY COULD AFFORD IT. I WOULD BE WILLING that they have all the advantages they can get out of life in the world. BUT LET THEM ENJOY THESE THINGS AMONG THEMSELVES." LDS "Apostle" Mark E. Petersen, "Race Problems - As They Affect the Church," Address delivered at Brigham Young University, August 27, 1954, as quoted in Jerald and Sandra Tanner's book entitled, "The Changing World of Mormonism," p. 307, emphasis added.

LDS - "Those who were LESS VALIANT IN PRE-EXISTENCE and who thereby had certain spiritual restrictions imposed upon them during mortality are known to us as the NEGROES." LDS "Apostle" Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 527, 1966 edition, emphasis added.

Posted by: Walter | March 14, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

It would seem a lot of posters here have a completely different feeling for Obama than they might have for President Bush. Would they be as understanding if they learned that President Bush attended KKK meetings for 20 years, but repudiated the KKK message as a Presidential candidate? (But allowed the Grand Klugel (?) to stay on as the campaign's spiritual adviser.) Is this what Ms. Ferraro was referring to? The double standard here is astounding.

Posted by: AMAZD | March 14, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

"How come nobody points out that white pastors like Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and Billy Graham constantly condemn our country and its morality and also blamed America for 9-11 because of homosexuality and abortion?"

Because Obama's running for president and none of the guys above are running for president. If they were running, I'm sure it would get pointed out. Obama has made a huge mistake by not distancing himself from this nut job.

Posted by: Taskmaxter | March 14, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

I am getting sick in my stomach just reading all the comments above. Those who have been the enamored followers of Obama, including the senators who are supporting him, had fallen to his tantalizing words - seeing him through their ears. Those who gave their votes to him were snookered into believing everything he said. After 20 years of listening to the sermons of Rev. Wright, he still tell us now, that he deplores what his minister said. How can we really believe him? His vaunted superior judgment should tell us that he should have left the congregation a long time ago, after hearing such sermon of hate, bigotry and disloyalty to our country. I hope that he is not going to tell us that it was a "boneheaded move," to stick around with the church and its teaching.

Posted by: Mamerto A. Cabagnot | March 14, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Umbria: That is called a typ-o, not a spelling mistake. The person who says "Barak" has done this on multiple occassions.

Posted by: Brendan | March 14, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Having you own kids listen to a preacher like Wright is child abuse.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

So, I guess, by the logic stated in this thread, that parishioner's in Catholic Churches with exposed pedophile priests that stay in that parish tacitly agree with and support pederasty?

Posted by: joebewildered | March 14, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

""Obama's Slums" in Chicago never got fixed thanks to Rezko and company.
Obama either didnt care or didnt care."
To anyone who wants to talk about Rezko, lets talk about his contributions to the Clinton campaign. Also, lets talk about Marc Rich, Vince Foster, Peter Paul, Monica Lewinsky, Whitewater......... and the other 200000 scandals from the Clinton years.
The prosecution has made it clear that Obama is in no way implicated in the Rezko mess. And that is ALL you guys can drag out?

Posted by: Middle Road | March 14, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Will Roman Catholic politicians be required to repudiate the denials, minimizations and cover-ups of pedophilia, as well as all the other idiotic remarks of the pope?

Posted by: smi2le | March 14, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

It's quite alright to disagree vehemently with someone and still associate with them closely. As an example, my grandmother was a stone racist, but in many other ways an exemplary human being. I loved her dearly, yet never agreed with her overt racism. Nor did I feel any need to apologize for her. Her racism did not rub off on me. She was who she was, she believed what she believed, and she exercised her right as an American to speak her mind. There are a lot of blatantly racist white preachers out there wrapping themselves in the flag and spouting off, too. It's a free country, last I checked.

Posted by: Carlos | March 14, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Obama claims he has better judgement if he found these sermons so abohorrent he should of found another church instead he married there, his children were baptized there and he has attended this church for 20 years donating huge sums of money to the pastor and writing about how he the pastor is his mentor and spiritual advisor. He is only denouncing these sermons know because the main stream media has started to do their jobs and look into these issues. obama has played the race card from day one - Hillary Clinton has been forced over and over again to appologise for remarks made by people that were clearly not racist - now she is being accused of being racist because there was no African Americans in her 3am AD. This is pathetic - obama has poor judgement look at this pastor and tony rezco as just two examples. Obama is not out to united the country he is just saying what people want to hear, he had no issues for the last 20 years with this pastor but as soon as it looks bad he denounces them. i can't believe so many people can't see through his act, he will say anything to become President, if he does them I'm sure the pastor will be a regular visitor.

Posted by: angela | March 14, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

,Humm, What about Mitts church he is Mormon no one said any thing to him. Go Figure these people are so hateful of Obama. Fox, CNN, MSNBC and ABC, WOW!

"Now WE ARE GENEROUS WITH THE NEGRO. WE ARE WILLING that the Negro have the highest kind of education. I WOULD BE WILLING to LET every Negro DRIVE A CADILLAC IF THEY COULD AFFORD IT. I WOULD BE WILLING that they have all the advantages they can get out of life in the world. BUT LET THEM ENJOY THESE THINGS AMONG THEMSELVES." LDS "Apostle" Mark E. Petersen, "Race Problems - As They Affect the Church," Address delivered at Brigham Young University, August 27, 1954, as quoted in Jerald and Sandra Tanner's book entitled, "The Changing World of Mormonism," p. 307, emphasis added.

LDS - "Those who were LESS VALIANT IN PRE-EXISTENCE and who thereby had certain spiritual restrictions imposed upon them during mortality are known to us as the NEGROES." LDS "Apostle" Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 527, 1966 edition, emphasis added.

Posted by: Walter | March 14, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I normally do not actively get involve with this, but unless Obama personally wrote the Pastors sermon each and very Sunday I dont see how any one can hold him responsible for the words that comes out of this man's mouth. As far as how can he sit through serveral sundays of the man preaching messages like this, its easy, if you are not there. I personally have missed weeks of services and the times I was there I have often disagreed with one of two points of my Pastor's sermon, i realize he is a man and entitled to his own oppinion. Stop apologizing Obama, I know you have enough support that this will not play against you over the summer no matter how hard the Ruplicans try.

Posted by: Kiunte Barton | March 14, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I am neither Republican or Democrat, but I see this as the end of Obama. He may get the Democratic nomination, but his campaign will not be able to withstand the "Swiftboating" that will come from this debacle and the Rezko real estate issue which as yet has not been fully vetted. Interest groups are not bound by the same ethical considerations as nominees. McCain can sit back, play the good guy and let his backers tear Obama apart. Excuses and euphemisms may wash with the latte voters, but many middle class voters will not vote for him under these circumstances. Too Bad. Looks like McCain got handed a present on the silver screen.

Posted by: Jamesco | March 14, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a fan of many of Wright's comments. On other points, Wright is probably correct. I mean, Clinton is not a minority and really cannot know what it is like to be a minority in this country. Of course, whether "not knowing what it is like" disqualifies one from being able to represent and help that minority group is another question.

However, I do think that there is a double standard in attacking Obama over Wright's comments. Conservatives like Bush and others have welcomed the support of far-right evangelicals for years, and Pat Robertson and others have made some really nasty comments over the years that have never gotten hung around the necks of presidential candidates.

Of course, I don't recall any presidential candidates who were long-time attendees at the churches of these pastors, either, so Obama probably does have a little more responsibility in this matter for his participation in a church led by and that serves as a megaphone for this kind of rhetoric. No, what Wright says does not necessarily reflect the beliefs of all of the members of the church, but when he says something wrong and offensive, one would hope that those same church members confront him about it and chastise him for it. Obama, admittedly, has waited until Wright's comments became a political liability to take such a stand.

Posted by: blert | March 14, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

But I thought he was a muslim? This is all so confusing.

Posted by: GOP | March 14, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Once again Politicians are ignoring the real problems we face today. (Economy, War, Freedom) Instead their campaigns become more of a drama filled tv show. I don't think it would be out of hand to say that Americans invite drama and love it. This is intolerable people. I would also make a point to say that Americans have given up on their future. We sit back and let the government do whatever they want and whenever they want. If we all took a stand against issues "We the people" would have power again instead of filthy rich heartless politicians. I'm here to tell you when the economy fails and the government rapes us little by little of our liberty it will be too late. This is their agenda, occupation, and future goal to bring upon a world of disaster. Although one man has stood strong and is actual hope for this nation Dr. Ron Paul. I'm only twenty-two, but even I understand what this country needs and what it doesn't need. Thank you for reading this!

Posted by: Jeffrey | March 14, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA IS A BUM

Posted by: longwalksinparis.blogspot.com | March 14, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm republican. I like what I hear when Obama speaks. I will vote for Obama because of what Obama says. Its Obama's words that we should listen to, not the words of some crazy old preacher. America! wake up, shake off the mind control, this attack is more of the same old system of bambozellment. This kook does not speak for Obama, the old kook is being twisted by the corupted system to attack Obama. Sadly it will work. I still vote for him if I get the chance.

Posted by: Mark | March 14, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Rev Wright is in luck. I'm going to explain to him some awful truths: 1) Taxi drivers of all races pass up black males because The F.B.I crime statistics say they (the drivers) are most likely to be robbed by black males 2) Black male drivers are more likely to be pulled over because The same F.B.I. statistics state that they are more likely to have committed criminal acts and the police are being proactive rather than reactive and 3) black boys are more likely to grow up in a single parent home because one parent (usually the father) has bailed out on his responsibilites. I hope this enlightens the racist Rev. Wright.

Posted by: tommy | March 14, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Wow - is this all the Republican Hate Machine has got? Drudging up some fake controversy that Obama has already denounced?

Set aside the hypocrisy of your positions, given that Bush and McCain have embraced racists and fundamentalists who have made similar inflammatory remarks. If you think voters - even the open-mouth-breathing, immigrant-hating prong that constitutes your base - are going to tie Obama to these remarks, you are delusional. No one is that stupid - let me amend that -- few people are that stupid.

Posted by: Sam | March 14, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't this just bring out the loonies? Wow, I never realized how much supposedly Christian people are willing to cast stones at others for the statements of third parties. Do any of you really want to be affiliated with or defined by the statements of those around you? Have you never disagreed with someone and said nothing, becuase you thought what was being said was so outlandish that your saying something about it wouldn't matter? And perhaps that person was a friend.

If none of these situations applies to you, congratulations. You must have grown up in a hole somewhere. But in reality, people we know and are friendly with say stupid things all the time, and those things shouldn't tar us.

More imporantly, all this racism and bitterness from people who I can only guess would call themselves Christians seems to me to be very un-Christian. Would Jesus be so vindictive?

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Republicans have had to lick the boots of the Falwells and Robertsons to even be considered for president. McCain, in a spasm of clear thinking and truthfulness called Falwell an agent of intolerance, but has sinced changed his tune and kissed the man's a$$. Enough with the double standards.

Posted by: joebewildered | March 14, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

It would seem to be more than a little disingenuous to compare remarks made by a Mormon leader, more than 50 years ago about race relations then, with remarks made in 2006. Don't you think?

Should we outlaw Major League Baseball because it was still segregated in 1947? How about banning the ACC and SEC from participating in the NCAA tournament because its teams were segregated in the early 60's?

Posted by: AMAZD | March 14, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

SVreader, you are completely deluded. Who are your "inside contacts" in Washington? Obviously, not the legions of hill staffers who started the slogan "don't tell Mama, I'm for Obama" because they knew before he declared that they would vote for him. And not those staff who work with Hillary who note how closed off and secretive she was, even as Senator.

Posted by: Hillmannic | March 14, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Those who feel this is simply a matter of "guilt by association" are wrong. This is a more serious question of judgment. If Obama is so smart and such a great unifier, how does he stay in this church for 20 years? He says that he never heard this guy's racist rants when he attended the church (?) Does that mean he rarely went to church, or maybe he just slept through the sermons. I'm sorry, but if you are a person of integrity, you don't stay with this kind of hate for 20 years.
Obama has some other questionable associations as well. Again, it goes back to judgment and character or the serious lack thereof.
As far as the Obamas having a difficult time and suffering in this terrible country of ours--if things were so bad for them, how did Michelle even get into both Princeton and Harvard? How did Obama get into Harvard? It's a little difficult to believe the "poor victim of the evil white man" scenario for these two.

Posted by: GHarris | March 14, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

""Obama's Slums" in Chicago never got fixed thanks to Rezko and company.
Obama either didnt care or didnt care."
To anyone who wants to talk about Rezko, lets
Posted by: Middle Road | March 14, 2008 06:30 PM

Obama was state senator in charge of fixing the slums. Not only did nothing get fixed, they got worse. Resko employed Obama as a lawyer. Rezko is on trial and Obama seems to be teflon don.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Seems as if people dont grasp the timeline here. Obama never heard his pastor make these comments before. Ask yourself an honest question...IF Obama had actually heard these sentiments before when attending service do you REALLY think he would subscribe to those beleifs? Of course not. That is the answer most rational thinking adults would arrive at when asked that question. This Pastor has slowly gone off the deep end. His remarks are beyond the pale, but to think Obama actually thinks the same way is a sad leap to make. We live in such a ultra-sensative PC, "Gotcha" world of politics that I find it hard to imagine EVER vetting a president, ever finding a civil servant perfect enough anymore. The part i find most frightening is we actually did find somebody "perfect" to serve in office that i am sure he or she would end up being the anti-christ long rumored to pay a visit.

Posted by: feastorafamine | March 14, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Obama was my man. But McCain sure looks appealing right now.

Posted by: chris | March 14, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

It would appear if the good Rev. Wright is on the verge of retirement, he's been around for a number of years. It's reported Senator Obama was a member of Wright's church close to twenty years, it is difficult to believe his [Wright] sermons have just started to discuss his views about life in America for a black man. Where my concern is; people in general, stick rather close together with others with similar likes, believes, language, etc.

If Rev. Wright's sermons are distasteful now for the Senator, one would think that other sermons would have given him a moment of pause over the years.

Posted by: jphoward18 | March 14, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

My grandfather (a Jew) worked on George Wallace's gubernatorial campaign in Alabama and was a good friend of his. I guess that precludes me from ever running for office since I may have met him once when I was 5. Who knows what kind of awful things I have learned from him that I would bring with me into office. Get over yourselves, attacking a man because of what a friend of his thinks. You really must be desperate to find something wrong with this man that you have sunk so low as to attack him because of his friends.

Posted by: That guy | March 14, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Obama's connection to this racist, America-hating preacher only confirms my conviction that the only mistake bigger than electing George W. Bush would be to place Obama into a position where he could become the US president. This is where he learned his values and his preacher style, whip up a frenzy of madness rhetoric. My fear is that Obama is all performance and no substance. In the Gore/Bush race, I said that if Bush wins, the world will be in trouble. I was right. Now I say, Obama wins, the whole world will be in trouble; and I'm right this time, too.

Posted by: Kuya Minogue | March 14, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

I would hope that my next president would attend a church that would be Bible based, not political. I am 51 years old and I still scratch my head and wonder how people proclaim to be of Gods faith, yet do and act otherwise. I am not a religious person, nor a politican, just a hard working lower (by todays standards)class American. How can a person hold the Bible in one hand and vote democrat with the other? That particular party seems to be for everything that is not of Gods.

Posted by: kwik2laugh | March 14, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

I AWAIT THE RESULTS OF THE COMMING ELECTIONS TO SEE JUST HOW AMERICA HANDLES MR. OBAMA'S ASSOCIATIONS WITH MR. WRIGHT. I LOOK FORWARD TO THE DAY WHEN DEMOCRATS REALIZE THEIR PARTY HAS BEEN HIJACKED BY THE LIKES OF THE MR. WRIGHT'S OF THE WORLD.SHAME, SHAME TO HEAR SUCH TALK AND TO WATCH SUCH PHYSICAL ACTIONS FROM A CHURCH PULPIT AND HAVE TO CONGREGATION SIT THERE AND CHEER AND CLAP. WHAT HAVE WE BECOME? PRAYER, FORGIVENESS, UNDERSTANDING AND LOVING THY NEIGHBOR ARE THE MESSAGES ONE USUALLY HEARS AT CHURCH FROM THE PASTOR. STREET CORNER TALK AND ACTION SHOULD NEVER BE TOLERATED BY THE CHURCH MEMBERS. NEVER.

Posted by: BOB | March 14, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

"That guy" would vote for a racist no matter what color he is.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

svreader, your post would mean a heck of a lot more if you had any credibility at all. Last I heard, you also had millions of dollars, but still spent your whole life on the comments section of the WaPo site. You've made up so much stuff over the last few months trying to get Hillary the nomination that nobody could be expected to believe a word that comes out of your mouth.

Look, Rev. Wright's comments are wrong, and they're out of the mainstream of American thought. They're not, however, particularly out of the mainstream of urban black thought. Sen. Obama was attracted to the black church because of its strong bent towards social justice, in the tradition of the civil rights movement, and I assume that he's put up with its victim complex because you frequently can't have one without the other. But everything about his own personal bearing and the way he's lived his life suggests that he has none of the ideological bent or the victim complex that his preacher seems to have.

Posted by: davestickler | March 14, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Hellooooo
Why do we focus on a little man with know connections? Who owns the vote here. Not the sqauking wheel we here in the press. The vote is owned by the conservatives, we have a choice people. It's not dillery, or skinny lier. We have an American Hero who actually knows what he talks about, and practices what he preaches. He has a know record, but he's not a Democrat, so the press wont give him the same focus, especailly this liberal press!

Posted by: not a manority | March 14, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

WOW, did the hate-filled nutjobs come out on this one!!!

Reality check: anyone hear about Rev. Hagee and how McCain was "honored" to have his endorsement? The man who called Catholicism a cult? How about Pat Roberts support of McCain?

In contrast, Obama has "denounced and rejected" his pastor. I'm sure they will leave Trinity before the general election. He isn't hiding anything and he has responded proactively to the criticism.

It is quite common for people to become more radicalized as time goes by. The man is RETIRED and no longer leads the church.

Meanwhile, I have seen more racist comments (blacks shooting cabbies in the head!) and blind patriotism (the U.S. has never practiced violence against civilians?! What are you smoking! Vietnam, Iraq, Guantanamo Bay....come one) on this blog. Why? The topic is RELIGION. So here come the nuts.

How about this, supposed Christians:

Did Jesus practice hatred? racism? blind allegiance to a country? How about tolerance and forgiveness for those who admitted their sins? Why don't you look in the mirror and your religious texts then respond.

Posted by: Hillmannic | March 14, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse


My word! How dare anyone say that the United States has committed acts of "terrorism." The United States would never use violence or the threat of violence against civilian populations to achieve some political, economic or ideological end...

How dare he say that!

Posted by: an observer | March 14, 2008 05:59 PM

I absolutely agree with "an observer" above! March 16th is the 40th anniversary of the My Lai Massacre. Remember that, all you bigoted trailer-trash white folks!? Remember the 1 million Vietnamese casualties!? Remember that many of our American casualties were black and brown while rich whites (like Dick Cheney) enjoyed student deferments!?

The pastor is right whether you recognize it or not.

March 19th will mark the 5th anniversary of the US invasion/occupation of Iraq. Dig this, you idiots: If the Iraq war is not "terrorism" on a massive scale, then you tell me what is...

Finally, Shinseki is out and Fallon is out. Meanwhile, draft dodgers Bush/Cheney (war criminals) are in. Are you proud of that!? Do you want God to bless that!?

Posted by: Braxton | March 14, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

So, is the right going to attack Obama for being a MUSLEM, or for being a CHRISTIAN member of a black liberation church? Which one is it, is he a MUSLEM, or is he a CHRISTIAN? It seems to me that the choice is mutually exclusive.

Leave it to the far right, though, to throw logic out the window and say that Obama is both a MUSLEM and an adherent of this CHRISTIAN preacher's teachings. In the (twisted) mind of a rightist, a harsh truth coming out of the mouth of a black man is a mortal sin, having a more radically-minded friend makes you guilty of radicalism by association, and every possible bad thing that you can say about your opponents must be true, even if those criticisms taken together are completely contradictory.

Geez, when will it end? Enough already!

Posted by: ts | March 14, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a Democrat but using Senators Obama's pastor to assassinate his character is simply sad. Democrats and Republicans alike you move into precarious waters following this line. I'm a Republican but if we start showing our A** in this manner like the Democrats are all bets are off.

Posted by: Parties Beware | March 14, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Obama stated "When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign." How is is that at the beginning of his campaign, the Reverend was already singling Hillary out? For him to say he disagreed with it then is just a way for him to try and redeem himself now that the video has hit the web.

Posted by: Gina | March 14, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

I AWAIT THE RESULTS OF THE COMMING ELECTIONS TO SEE JUST HOW AMERICA HANDLES MR. OBAMA'S ASSOCIATIONS WITH MR. WRIGHT. I LOOK FORWARD TO THE DAY WHEN DEMOCRATS REALIZE THEIR PARTY HAS BEEN HIJACKED BY THE LIKES OF THE MR. WRIGHT'S OF THE WORLD.SHAME, SHAME TO HEAR SUCH TALK AND TO WATCH SUCH PHYSICAL ACTIONS FROM A CHURCH PULPIT AND HAVE THE CONGREGATION SIT THERE AND CHEER AND CLAP. WHAT HAVE WE BECOME? PRAYER, FORGIVENESS, UNDERSTANDING AND LOVING THY NEIGHBOR ARE THE MESSAGES ONE USUALLY HEARS AT CHURCH FROM THE PASTOR. STREET CORNER TALK AND ACTION SHOULD NEVER BE TOLERATED BY THE CHURCH MEMBERS. NEVER.

Posted by: BOB | March 14, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

BOB --- turn off caps lock.. harder to read.

Posted by: hhkeller | March 14, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

It would seem quite a bit different for McCain to accept support from someone with whom he disagreed, and for Obama to be a member of an organization which preached an anti-American message...that urged its members to sing "goddam America."

McCain never said that John Hagee was his spiritual adviser; never made him part of his campaign organization.

Posted by: AMAZD | March 14, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Enough of this wanting the candidates to say yea or nay to someone's comments!

Besides, what does Barack's disapproval prove? Was this the first time the pastor made this kind of remarks? No. And had Barack discontinued to go the church, distanced himself from the pastor for the past remarks? No.

So this time media/people put him on the spot to disapprove the remarks, and he obliged. We all can be very happy now.

Posted by: Kishor Gala | March 14, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Wright's 9/11 comments are not that much different from what Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson said after 9/11. They both blamed America's sins for the attacks. On the Sept 13, 2001, edition of the 700 Club, Falwell said, "what we saw on Tuesday, as terrible as it is, could be miniscule if, in fact, if in fact God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve." Robertson seemed to agree with Falwell's analysis.

Considering that John McCain courted Falwell before he died, and gave a major speech at Liberty University before he declared his candidacy, should we try to impugn his character by associating McCain's own beliefs with Falwell's?

Or what of Billy Graham's anti-semitic remarks to Nixon? Considering that Graham was a close spiritual advisor to George Bush, should we suppose that he shares Graham's views?

It is one thing to share religious views, and another to share political ones. Anything other conclusion is specious--good fodder for the news cycle, but utterly without merit.

Posted by: Rational voter | March 14, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if any of the other candidate would have their kids listen to hate speech every Sunday. Its a wierd indoctrination and wrong.

Posted by: hhkeller | March 14, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

This is an example of Obama's LACK OF JUDGEMENT. This is not a ONE time incident. Obama had a choice of church/pastor. He choose to attend to this church and listen to this inflammatory and racist discourse for MORE than 10 years! This IMO, means he is a follower; otherwise, how come he stayed with this pastor, even considered him a mentor and a family member, if he was inscensed by the pastor's comments? How come he didn't evaluate this pastor's sermon's and associations? Now that his political career needs some damage control, he decides to denounce and reject! How convenient.

Posted by: gabriela angelina | March 14, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Senator Obama attended Wright's church for twenty years and now insists that he only recently became aware of Wright's "controversial" views... Nobody with an IQ above sea level could possible believe that's true.

Posted by: tom davis | March 14, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

"At every opportunity, they've told evangelical Christians that Democrats disrespect their values and dislike their Church..."

And this isn't true?

Posted by: Skohl | March 14, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

I have to wonder why Obama would even be a member of this church, or switch up religions in the first place...fishy.

Posted by: JCB | March 14, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

That guy: Making a comparison between someone you "may have met once when you were five" and someone Barack Obama has looked up to and sought the guidance of for 20 years is hardly a good comparison.


I guess it really doesn't matter that Obama has any ties whatsoever with William Ayres either, right?

Posted by: Nowhere to hide | March 14, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Obama cannot talk his way out of this one. These videos are pretty much a smoking gun. Obama is an undercover left wing extremist.

Posted by: Shawn | March 14, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

I am not buying that in the 20 years Obama has been attending his hate-monger-spewing Pastor's church that suddenly this is a revelation unbeknownst to the sophmore senator. I agree with the a veteran GOP political strategist that they are going to "have a field day" with this one and then some. Out of the hundreds of churches in Chicago, Obama's judgment selects a racist preacher who is anti-American and anti-Israel. It is a joke to me that whle dozens of "Mr. Wright's" hate-fomenting speeches have been for sale and widely available, only now does the "objective media" and Obama decide to notice?????????

Posted by: HelloKitty | March 14, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Michelle makes 267,000.00 a year for a part-time job with the Chicago Hospital district. And she is just NOW proud of her country? The Obamas income is 996,000.00 (thats THOUSANDS of dollars)a year, and the Rev. is comparing Barack to Jesus? I am apalled at what was put over on us.

Posted by: Greg | March 14, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Trinity United Church of Christ
About Us
We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.
The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:
1. A congregation committed to ADORATION.
2. A congregation preaching SALVATION.
3. A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
4. A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
5. A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
6. A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
7. A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
8. A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
9. A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
10. A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.

Posted by: Decide for Yourself | March 14, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Maybe if Blacks stopped shooting cabbies in the head and taking their hard earned money the cabbies might stop and pick them up more often. Maybe if Blacks just stopped shooting people in general and taking their money things might improve. Most importantly, if Blacks stopped blaming everyone and everthing for all of their problems and got off of the couch and got a job instead of feeling entitled to a handout from the "Whitey" that they hate so much while living parasitically off of him at he same time, and realized that the reason there are more Blacks in jail BECAUSE THEY COMMIT MORE CRIME, maybe they could finally take some personal responsability for their own destiny instead of constantly whining that no one ever gives them as much as they feel that they're entitled too. Other minorities work hard, keep their families together and make something out of themselves with out constantly complaining that the White man doesn't help them enough while at the same time rejecting education, employment opportunity, and lawful living because it's not "Keeping it real enough". Stand up as a community and own your own shortcommings instead of blaming anyone but yourselves and maybe race relations will improve.

Posted by: David P. Burke | March 14, 2008 05:48 PM

Posted by: amen | March 14, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Love. Love is what Dr. King preached. Love is the message pastors should be sending forth - regardless. Again, it was the love and the courage to preach it in the face of such hatred and ignorance that made Dr. King the great American he was.

Posted by: aztec | March 14, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

IS THIS COINCIDENCE?

1: Yesterday morning Wolfson said in a conference call that "Barack Obama is not ELECTABLE" A most bizarre thing to say.

2: The Clinton camp denies this.

3:They HAVE to retract their denial because the comment was recorded. After all it was a conference call involving reporters.

4: Hillary has invited a good number of super delegates to her home in New York for the evening.

5: The video of Rev. Wright plays out on every major news network. Scares white people, black people understand some of it, looks bad for Obama.

I'll bet Clinton had the big screen TVs on all over her house , try to point out what Wolfson let slip in the morning with his unelectable comment.

I do think Rev Wright is off the wall in the sermons I saw.
I have questions though.

1: How often did he preach this in his church? When he was going off ( literally) about Obama and Clinton, that was his last sermon before he retired. Going out with a big crazy bang for sure.

2: All kinds of preachers say all kinds of crazy things. Most of them are white evangelists though.

When Falwell created the Moral Majority a quarter-century ago, many Christian fundamentalists eschewed the world of politics. But the controversial Southern Baptist minister from Lynchburg, Va., launched a political force that would help elect two presidents and install a Republican-controlled Congress.

Most controversial of all were his comments three days after the Sept. 11 attacks in 2001. Falwell said "the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians ... the ACLU (and) People for the American Way" were to blame.


I hope I live to see the day, when, as in the early days of our country, we won't have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again and Christians will be running them. What a happy day that will be!
[America Can Be Saved, (1979)]

Bush didn't go after gays, lesbians and the ACLU for 9/11
George, George W, and Ronald Regan didn't try to shut down public schools, and hand them over to the church either.

Why would anyone think that Obama holds the views of Rev. Wright?

4: There were many taped sermons, what we got to see was cherry picked. In fact there were only two. What does that tell you?

The following is a "Must Read" I guarantee it will SHOCK YOU!:

Wednesday, February 20, 2008

Clinton supporters raising "at least" $10 million for anti-Obama Swift Boat campaign
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UPDATE: Via Ben Smith, you can see the first ad produced by the 527. It's not on the air yet. The head of the 527 claims they are all about the positive. That's all. Just positive. The first line of the ad is "If speeches could create jobs, we wouldn't be facing a recession"....but, remember, they're going to stay positive. We shall see. Anyone watching MSNBC last night surely knows that Clinton media guru Mark Penn wants to go negative against Obama. He was sending that message loud and clear through Howard Fineman.

_______________________

It had to come to this. Clinton allies are raising millions in a desperate, last ditch effort to defeat Obama by ruining his image with a Swift-Boat-style 527.

ABC's Jake Tapper reports the new group, called "The American Leadership Project," is planning to run anti-Obama ads in Ohio -- and maybe Texas and Pennsylvania, too. According to Tapper, the ads are "aimed at tarnishing" Obama. Marc Ambinder adds these details:
Allies of Hillary Clinton plan an expensive, stealth campaign to buttress her standing in the must-win states of Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania.

They're canvassing Clinton donors for pledges of up to $100,000 in the hope of raising at least $10M by the end of next week. The money will be placed in the account of a political committee organized under section 527 of the tax code.
Not so stealthy anymore.

You know, this campaign has, for the most part, stayed on the high road. There have been some bursts of negativity of late, but by and large, it's been pretty clean. Looks like that is about to end.

Clinton's supporters are absolutely obsessed with driving up Obama's negatives. You get the sense that they cannot believe that Obama's campaign is making them work for what they rightly deserve. Now, instead of picking out their White House office furniture, they're forced to raise large amounts of money to tear down the Democratic front-runner. After all these years in power, the Clintons clearly have rich, rich friends who can chip in $100,000 on their behalf. To contrast, Obama's campaign hit an unprecedented landmark today: over 500,000 contributors. Clinton's campaign couldn't come close to that -- so she needs her wealthy friends to bail her out.

Over the past year, Obama has shown he can withstand the Clinton's negative onslaught. But, it does make one wonder how far the Clintons and their allies are willing to push this fight. If they want to make this ugly, it's not like she (or her husband) have got the cleanest records around. Far from it. And, I'm just talking issues, like those votes where she supported Bush on the Iraq war in October 2002 and the Iran resolution in September 2007.

Do we really want to go down the path of trying to make our candidates damaged goods should they win the nomination? Clinton and her allies says yes.

Posted by: Martha | March 14, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Is this type of rhetoric typical of what people are exposed to in black churches?
I'm surprised that Barack would let his children sit through these rants because they are so politically and racially divisive. However, the invasion of Iraq was hardly a step in the direction of world peace either. We live in chaotic and troubling times, so now who's there to trust, not Hillary with her ruthless ambition, or McCain and his out-of-date military thinking, cozying up to the right wing as hard as he can. It's all very depressing.

Posted by: Veronica Lubeck | March 14, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

folks, mr. obama was a grown man with not one, but two, ivy league degrees under his belt when he joined this excuse for a church. he lives in a huge mansion purchased at a big fat discount thanks to his pal rezko.

this is the minister this grown man chose to minister to himself and his daughters. it is the minister his wife chose. the relationship goes back for 20 years. this "denunciation" is pathetic. the obamas have known very well all along what this guy's "sermons" consist of.
senator obama's choice to ally himself with t his man is sickening not only on general terms, but also in light of what it reveals about his posture towards the relatives who gave and sacrificed to raise him, his mother and her parents. they happen to be white. and it seems to me you can be indignant about the injustice to black people in this country while having enough gratitude, love and respect for your mother and grandparents, not to ally yourself with this kind of demagoguery.
senator obama is a real piece of work. it is unbelievable that the Axelrod cabal encouraged him to think he could, or should, be elected president of the united states.

Posted by: elizabethbennett | March 14, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Hey! wasn't he a muslim?????
:^)

Posted by: Ana Lucia | March 14, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Obama's message and record is so strong that conservatives have had to resort to attacking people AROUND the Senator, as they can't find anything substantive to criticize about Mr. Obama himself. How typical.

Posted by: Derek | March 14, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Heres a note from the radical white wing religious right (as I am told is my correct label because I believe in certain things).... Obama has done exacly the right thing here and I personally have never believed he actually agrees with this nut. I would appreciate the same respect from liberals who always lump me in with Falwell when he used to say stupid things. I mean this has happened to main stream church goers for years. Pat Robertson, John Hagee, Jim Dobson, Rod Parsley nor that crazy Church in Kansas (who actually protested at our Church when a beloved died in battle had the audacity to have a funeral)... They don't speak for me! But this is who the media focus on and who keep getting the label of "mainstream christian" and lump me right in there with them. Leave Obama alone on this one. Will he agree with federal funding of abortions, will he be for same sex marriage, will he be for progressive socialism, will he use christians as the scapegoat for division in the country, will he support the failed policies of our public schools where teachers are virtually helpless to expel or discipline students who through chairs,destroy property and threaten teachers and students? These seem to be where he will have problems with folks like me, not his association with Wright.

Posted by: dannyc | March 14, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Things are a heatin' up

Posted by: jim | March 14, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Who cares what someone's idiot preacher said? Preachers say crazy stuff all the time. The real question is, can we trust the judgment of anyone willing to sit in a church and listen to insane ramblings for an hour. Unfortunately, we don't have a candidate who doesn't do that, or at least claim to.

Posted by: Porkins | March 14, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Unmasking of Obama is effectively about to
take place. He can only account for the
last 20 years as a christian. What faith
or denomination did he serve prior to the
last 20 years? It is very strange that a
young man, lived in the only all Muslim
country Indonesia, and was not a Muslim
despite his Muslim father influence. Wake
up America, This is a sheep in wolf's
clothing.

Posted by: fitzroy ellis | March 14, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Hard to Believed he knew nothing about the specific comments as they are on the churches website and are sold to members. Any who thinks the Obama cAMPAIGN DIDN'T HAVE THESE TAPES MONTHS AGO IS LIVING IN A REAL DISNEYWOLD.

Posted by: Frank | March 14, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

I am sorry that the words from a elderly preacher is not being compared to the imoral deads of a past white house occupant. You can not judge one Man by another Man's words and thoughts. God will judge both.

Posted by: lovesourLord | March 14, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Seems B. Obama must have slept through services! Don't believe he never heard the pastor speak so negatively before. B Obama is quick to say "not my fault man" but first to point the finger @ H. Clinton, stop crying Mr Obama.

Posted by: Gloria | March 14, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

My grandfather was a racist. He wasnt calling for lynchings but he had a predudice towards people of color. Other than that he was a delightful sweet man. Did i stop talking to him? Do we pay for the sins of our fathers? Or friends? Does anyone honestly feel Obama supports these remarks? If you do then you probably were already looking for a bias to begin with. You probabaly already wanted Obama to fall off the map. Any rational SANE thinker would realize that this guilt by accociation thing is a joke. With that rational i should be wearing a white hood because my grandfather had a general dislike for people of color. What a sad and improbable leap. McCain can stand next to Hagee grinning from ear to ear and gloat over his endorsement and thats perfectly fine. I guess we expect white preachers to be bat-crazy from time to time. The minute its a black preacher we got a whole new ballgame. After all there has never been such a thing as racism in "white" churches right? Just use some common sense, in your heart of hearts you KNOW Obama doesnt subscribe to the beleifs or comments of Rev. Wright. And that is the bottom line rreally

Posted by: feastorafamine | March 14, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Hey Sam: YOUR hypocrisy is blinding. To those still considering voting to make Obama the sitting president: you will be voting for the second US civil war to begin....

Posted by: Buck Fabama | March 14, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

the United States invited 9/11 = TRUE

Hillary Clinton fits the mold = false (she's a woman.)

Some things he said about being black in America are very true. Chances are if you are outraged at this you are not black and have not lived the black experiance. if you had you'd listen to his rant and even nod your head at some parts.

The this business of Hillary and Obama having to apologize for everything their moron friends say has got to stop. if I had to answer to everything my close friends have said about other groups I couldnt work inside the United States ever again.

Posted by: Josh N. | March 14, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

"It is really ridicules. What is new in the fact that Black people were discriminated against in this country for a long while? None. What is new in the fact that they are NOT HAPPY about it? None. Yes, Hillary Clinton is white, and never suffered from this known discrimination, and Barack Obama is mulatto, and, probably, endured some of it. Though he is the light mulatto and was raised by white, well to do grandparents. His wife, on the contrary, probably, endured, some of things, in question, as she is Black and was raised by Black parents in the South Side of Chicago - the area populated mostly by Black people. What is new in this entire story, and in the information, which is included in this story? None, none whatsoever! What is surprising that Cindy McCain, who was born with the silver spoon in the mouth, and spend her entire life on the priveleged top of the society is "proud of this country" and Michelle Obama, who has endured a lot of poverty and, I think, discrimination, is not? It is the normal people' reactions, and that is how they are expected to react. However, to nominate Clinton, re-elect Clinton after the obvious demolishing of 9/11 is not normal human reaction, it would be fully suicidal reaction and the absence of any self-respect of voters for her."

No one ever mention Cindy McCain's trouble with vicodin and percocet addictions that led her to steal drugs FROM HER OWN COMPANY!! As they also fail to mention the scandal her husband was involved in leading up to her drugs addiction!

Shame on those who don't think the murder of milions of innocent people in Iraq is not an act of terrorism. Shame shame shame on judginf someone for their religious beliefs. After all, didn't we come from Europe to have our own religious freedom? And in that quest didn't we kill thousands and thousands of innocent Native Americans? Before people start screaming hypocrocy, perhaps they should take a good hard look in the mirror.

Posted by: Enough | March 14, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

First, let me say that I sincerely hope Sen. Obama doesn't agree with the statements his pastor made, and that he might be telling the truth when he says he never heard such things from Pastor Wright before.

However, to those of you who ask how I would feel if Senators McCain or Clinton's pastors said similar things...how do you think I would feel? Horrified, disgusted, appalled. Do you think I would support a candidate who sought Jerry Falwell's advice? Of course not - nor should any sane person.

You can't play it both ways - hatred is wrong, now matter who is espousing it. If someone were uneducated, downtrodden, hungry and they made such hateful remarks, I might have empathy. But this pastor is a man of God and a leader to his people. He is financially secure and has a loyal following. I can't imagine the indignities and inequities he must have suffered throughout his life, but he is now, irrefutably, the living embodiment of the American Dream. He enjoys freedoms and privileges most in this world would die for...and many in this country, regardless of color, envy.

More important, Pastor Wright is quite possibly the spiritual leader to the next President of the United States. Do we want our president to be mentored like this? What has 20 years of this kind of hatred done to Senator Obama's mind? How has it formed his judgment?

I dismissed the "monster" comment - who cares? Ferraro's comments were uncalled for, and I'm glad she's gone. But this...this is really quite scary.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

There will be more of these garbage on Obama's judgements and associations, you can rely on it. The Republicans will come out with more on Obama's dirty past and stupid judgements. We will begin to know more about Obama and as we do, we will regret we ever voted for him. Obama is the divisive one...

Posted by: MAUFIT | March 14, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that the media hails a firestorm on Clinton over Ferraro's remarks, but paints Obama as a helpless victim here? In fact, Obama's own supporter says it's all about race - where's the media and public outcry?

Posted by: CB | March 14, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Who cares? Preachers always condemn society. Haven't you ever read "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God"?

It is a founding document of this country.

I know that "republicans are going to have a field day with this." But I been going to church my whole life, and I know what they say in conservative churches. It ain't always pretty, and it can be hard to take, but we shouldn't let the political process muzzle our preachers just because they can be politically incorrect. Right or wrong, they are beholden to a higher power and are protected by the separation of church and state.

And, if Republicans use this, I think we are basically inviting radical activists to exploit churches everywhere, video tape sermons, and expose religious congregations to political attack. You know that activists are going to start trying to play gotcha with conservative pastors who endorse McCain.... and the thought of this makes me really, really sad.

We should leave church out of it.

Posted by: BigT | March 14, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

ok, so Obama is not WHITE-BREAD; would you prefer our candidate be uncle Tom? using extreme language here, to symbolize the negatives IN our society... give me a break... That is the appeal; Obama is NOT the above, and neither is he a radical. That he chooses to spend his sundays in either type of church, and believe me, there are Plenty extremes in churches to choose from, is his business, and I would think he tempers his beliefs as his persona exhibits; one of reason.

Posted by: ukeman | March 14, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Its time for white people to stand up for our rights. We must all join together and vote against Obama and his secret racist agenda. Anyone who votes for him is an enemy to all white people. They are racist, not us!!

Posted by: whiteman | March 14, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm shocked that Obama allows his children to sit through this racist nonsense. America caused AIDS? Our "terrorism" caused 911? God should damn America?

Posted by: Hampton | March 14, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

It strikes me as a very telling indicator of Obama's values that he says, "words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue". This is America, with supposedly first-amendment rights to free speech. Furthermore, if Obama's pastor wants to make factual statements about Hillary's personal experience because she is not black, why should Obama be so vehemently opposed to such statements? The answer is obvious, I think -- because Obama is politically motivated and his interest is only in bolstering public opinion because he does not want to be associated with someone (i.e. his own pastor) who is publicly lambasted as being "racist" for his heartfelt comments. I am white, and I do not know what it is like to receive anti-black bigotry. But I have empathy for anyone, regardless of color, that suffers from this in our supposedly free and equal America.

Kudos to Obama's pastor for condemning past patterns of racism in America and for shining the light on both the hypocrisy of many whites in leadership and on the selfish, political motivations of candidates, black or otherwise. And this pastor needs to be admired for taking a strong, public and controversial stand on these issues. Obama should be ashamed for disassociating himself from this man to whom he was previously loyal just because his comments may damage Obama's electibility.

Posted by: Mark Jones | March 14, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

I took Obama at his word when he said he disavowed the words of Louis Farrakhan. Now that he says he disavows the words of his spiritual leader of 20 years running, I'm starting to feel like a putz..

Posted by: Dave | March 14, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

"." And he suggested that the Unites States invited the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks with its own "terrorism."

I honestly see no problem at all with this statement, we in the US are so afraid of saying anything remotely differnt..."
_______________________
If Obama feels this way, let him say it. If he doesn't, why has he not repudiated Wright for saying it. Why has he just now noticed his "spiritual adviser" is out of the mainstream?

Posted by: AMAZD | March 14, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

How terribly sad that the conservative media has discovered and milked what terrifies the majority of Americans the most: Angry Black Men. The idea that Wright's comments are somehow out of line and can disqualify Obama's candidacy are ludicrous in the face of our nation's history of politicians who are supported and even funded by religious men like Jerry Falwell. The difference here? Can it be more obvious? Barack's mentor is an angry black preacher, not an angry white preacher, and therefore is someone to be feared and condemned, not passed off as the kook he is.

Posted by: BLR | March 14, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

I'd say that about 95% of what Wright said is true. I'm not black but I've seen how black people are treated by whites and Latinos. You people are all ignoring the 800 lb. gorilla in the middle of the room. Some blacks are treated like 2nd class citizens to this day. You'd like to thing that, since we've "allowed" black man a good change at becoming the president of the United States, we're not a racist country. In truth, all you have to do is look at the ratio of the various races in prison to know that it's a lie.

Posted by: Calibama | March 14, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

When will people realize that typing a complete message in caps means "NO ONE" will read it.

First off. This is going to be a VERY emotionally driven election. First we have a woman running. Women are more emotional than men. Next we have a quasi black man (black skin.. raised by a white woman). Whom will cause massive emotional outbursts due to him being different.

People the leader of country needs to be above this emotional crap. Their followers may make mistakes. We are not in this election to raise their followers to president. Vote on the correct person based off of their abilities not their gender or skin color.

Statistics show Hillary getting the "older white" vote which can easily be changed to the "older racist" vote.

Obama gets the "Older Black Vote" which can easily be changed to the "Older racist" vote.

The young people unfortunately are not voting in the same % of numbers as the other age groups. If they were we would no be arguing over who should be the candidate as Obama is strongly favored by the future of America the youth.

Posted by: Tim | March 14, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

If Barak is nominated, I am definitely voting Republican - at least I know what to expect. With Barak, life could definitely change in America - for the worse.

Posted by: Kate Westington | March 14, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Matt.. RE your charges against Lou of CNN, please, be a man. He is speaking the real hope and change. Unlike Senator Obama, he is
wearing multiple masks. First, on his association being a muslim; his real bigot Pastor for 20 years; or yours too, maybe; and
his rezkogate, naftacanadian gate, etc.

He wants to stop us frpm partisan bickerings, well,. that is a good sign that we Americans, we exercise the limitless boundaries towards the expansion of human freedom. But he keeps his real self.

Will you allow that bigot pastor Wright to be in the people's White House and pray and give his serm,ons like that. Well, all because Obama is the New Prince, of Machiavelli.

Posted by: Francis Magno | March 14, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Obama's church recently "sanitized" their website. Here's what their cornerstone visions used to state:
1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the Black Community
3. Commitment to the Black Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.

Posted by: HelloKitty | March 14, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

David P. Burke:

please get off your Mother's computer and go back to molesting your sister. You're embarrassing yourself and all of humankind.

Posted by: Josh N. | March 14, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

This looks really bad for Obama, although I hope he can respond to this well. This is the "smoking gun" Hillary and the Republicans have been looking for. It interesting that this is just coming out now. At this junction, a Hillary win is a "dream ticket" for the Republicans: it will seriously turn off African Americans, and mobilize the Right for McCain.

Posted by: noodleman | March 14, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

The desperation of Obama's supporters is palpable. With good reason. The Rev Wright is on every news outlet on television. How do you think that will play in Kansas?

To those of you who say he shouldn't be guilty by association? Excuse me, this is a man whom Obama himself has said is his mentor. The man who he says brought him to Jesus, who married him, who baptised his children. And Obama's claims that he never heard these remarks is absurd. You can Google Wright and find all these remarks. They've been there for years. I just don't buy that Obama didn't know about them. In fact, his 9/11 comments were one of the reasons Wright didn't appear at Obama's presidential campaign announcement. Seems Obama keeps getting caught in lies from Rezko to NAFTA to this. How anyone can still support him is truly amazing! Oh, and the point about him subjecting his children to these hateful sermons is truly a reflection of his lack of judgment.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Now we know why Obama is aganist the war. Just like his pastor and his wife they are on the side of the enemy (Sadam Hussien & Osama Binladen) aganist the USA. This is a joke! He needs to drop out of the election. NOW!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

It's time hate-mongers like Wright, FarraCON, Jesse Jackson, and Sharptongue, and other race hustlers....NEED TO BE STOPPED BY THE PUBLIC who are STUPID enough to listen to the evil spewing.

Posted by: JRDevo | March 14, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

I think mast Americans are eager for an African American that they can feel comfortable voting for. I doubt that Obama is the one.

Posted by: AMAZD | March 14, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

I attended KKK meetings for TWENTY years, but it's no big thing. Sure, they were racist, but I...uh...I never listened. Yeah, that's it. TWENTY years of not listening to racist rants. I just went for the coffee and donuts.

Yes, that should do. Now let's see how it plays with the rubes...

Posted by: johnnyjust | March 14, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

we had threats made at the high school today...a kindergarten field trip was cancelled because of these threats...I saw some kids in the back of a truck throwing white supremist signs to each other...the authorities riding all over...I am sad and afraid for our children...what are we teaching them?

Posted by: paloma | March 14, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a liar. That is obvious in his response to this.

Posted by: jessielee | March 14, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

I used to get so upset a the hypocracy of politicians. Then I read the comments posted here on this non-subject and realized what a closed minded backwards society we now live in. No wonder we are thought of so negatively around the world. Its sad.

Posted by: Guido | March 14, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Hell Our President Pubically Proclaims he will and is going to and has allowed the Torture of Prisoners of war and their detention without contact or representation. He will and has allowed spying on the citizenry when told not to by congress Duh? We whites are guilty of a lot of crap true but then again so are the Blacks, Don't deny it Rev. Hot Head racist Wright, you be one too. Your silly racist rantings will not change my mind Reverend. Explain that, you think I feel guilty about your past NO, yet
I Vote Obama 08 ! Ole Southern lilly White BOY !!!,,,(**),,,, Come on people I think Obama will help restore the creditability of the U.S.A. If he is a bunch of crap Impeach Him. If he succeeds celebrate him as a great President and show the world we are Americans and have come to terms with our past and became a Nation of one and these silly, foolish racist White or Devine Black or other, will be for naught, forgotten. OBAMMA 08

Posted by: Grandpappybear | March 14, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

It's obvious that anyone saying this Pastor of Obama is preaching hate are either white or privelged, probably both. If not, well, then shame on you.

This guy isn't saying anything new. White people have a serious entitlement complex for this country. If a black pastor wants ot encourage his black congregation to reject America for it's history of extreme racism and hate, then good for him.

Black people have been shafted by this country for so long that some of them don't even think there's a need for change. The plantations and chains may be gone, but there are slaves in every city of this country.

Every reporter I've seen that is outraged at the pastor's comments has been white. Obama might have listened to things like this for years, but is smart enough to take the gems from it and discard the frustration the pastor has implemented into his delivery.

Obama is the best candidate, he has to be. It's the guy that is the most threatening that has every detail of his life scrutinized like this and then exploited. Hillary has soooooooo many skeletons that no one reports on. This pastor and his racial remarks don't come close to the pathetic nature of a power-driven woman that stays in a disgraced marriage to further progress her own political career.

Doesn't come close to a woman that moves to New York six months before she runs for the state's senate.

Doesn't hold a candle to a woman that promised upstate New York 200,000 new jobs, but then proceeded to lose 30,000 overall.

But of course, to many black people, any sermon will pale in comparison to the fact that more young black men were put into prison for non-violent drug charges under the Clinton administration than any presidency could account for before them. Bill Clinton beat out Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush when it came to imprisioning black men.

Please, talk about some real issues and stop trying to assume Obama is some robot sent out to do the bidding of an eccentric pastor.

Posted by: WLM1 | March 14, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps Obasma was merely PRESENT in the pews(like his voting record) and therefore cannot be held accountable or have an opinion until the wind blows his way...Disavowing Farakan is ok because Farakan chose him but Obama chose his pastor, spiritual mentor, sheppard. As far as him never hearing those words in church, what? for 20 yrs the pulpit was the only place Obama heard him speak?

Posted by: MacG | March 14, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

I love that just because Obama was a member of this church that he has to believe and live everything that the pastor preached. Don't you morons believe that through all the schooling Obama has been through he's intelligent enough to make up his own mind? There are some robots in this forum. Thank God Obama is no robot.

Posted by: Chapter Cavanaugh | March 14, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Obama Hussein's preacher just signed Barack's political death warrant. There is no way he will ever be this country's president now!

Posted by: George | March 14, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Is not one of the Liberals favorite knocks against Christian politicians that their faith might some how influence them? Yet when it comes to one their own this is no longer is the case?? Is there no end to the hypocrisy of Liberals?

Posted by: Kvn | March 14, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

To Calibama: You idiot! The ration of black men in prison is largely due to them committing crimes, not unfair sentencing. Go peddle your delusions elsewhere!

Posted by: LeftistsAreTheEnemyNow | March 14, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

I despise a man who does not remember where he comes from, I despise a man even more who has no guts to admit his roots.To me this is the ultmost deflaw of man's character. Obama is that man, you simply can not deny the association with some one for over 20 years,Pastor is Obama's religious mentor who mary him and Michelle and bapitize his two daughters, and now you said you denounce him! Do you really want to be the president of the united states so bad that you will say anything to get it? Mr. Obama I know you are a good talker, but do you have to go to such an extend? Oh, I forget you also did not go to your own mother's funeral, so what you care,as long you can become the president then you can fix up anything.

Posted by: johnycheng | March 14, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Why is everyone so upset? Wright's sermons are "Just Words".

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

I did not hear this pastor say anything negative about white people. He spoke to the conditions blacks have dealt with for years.

In Abrahamic religion, a prophet is seen as a person who is encountered by, and speaks as a formal representative of God, and the intention of the message is always to effect a social change to conform to God's desired standards initially specified in the Torah dictated to Moses.

The above is from Wikipedia. When he says God Damn America I think this would qualify as troubling for some of us who see America as perfect, others may see it as a call for America to mend it's ways on many issues.

When he speaks about whites having wealth, power and dominance in America, that is true last I checked. He is a prophet along with the late Jerry Falwell, Billy Graham, Joel Osteen, T.D. Jakes, Cornell West, Moses, Jesus and Martin Luther King Jr.

Sen. Obama cannot control what this man says or does, the pastor is a free moral agent and has every right to express what he feels God has placed on his heart. Every ministry grows or declines, this could be the reason the pastor is retiring.

If we began to look into the backgrounds of many of the fathers of our country we would be appalled. If we looked into the past of certain senators in Washington right now we would find ex-KKK members as well as ex John Birch followers.

One of our more recent Presidents was an avowed segregationist before taking office.

Posted by: JKH | March 14, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

No human being should be under such pastors - pouring out VENOM from the pulpit in the name of sermon. It takes a mind that is corrupt to say all that he said. No wonder most blacks will remain poor. Jesus couldn't have been poor. How could a poor man miraculously feed 5,000 men more than once: get money from fish's mouth; walk on the water? In fact, he could get what he wanted, anytime! He was BLESSED and RICH. Color and race has nothing to do with wealth - wake up Jeremiah! No right thinking person loves poverty. God has given every man equal opportunity, and no one can take that away from you, no matter who is in power!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

We know Obama's long term ambition.

I'd guess his affiliation with this church was partly political calculation to build his support base. I doubt he holds the same views as Wright; nothing Obama has done suggests it. I also doubt he expected these sermons to become news, so he didn't see any liability. It IS part of the culture of personal destruction Clinton complains about - too bad she flirts with it herself.

I like Obama's message, but I didn't think he was ready for the prime-time on Super Tuesday, so I voted for Clinton. Now we will see if he's figured out how to respond to these attacks. I wouldn't change my vote on the basis of this preacher's hyperbole, but some will - and Obama has to prove he can bring them back if he's to have any hope in the general election. He's got to show he can handle tough, and even unfair, questions from the press and master control of the newscycle the way the Republicans can.

Good luck, Mr Obama.

Posted by: Jim Hess | March 14, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

GREAT post, WLM1. Thank you, and I hope it doesn't fall on completely deaf ears.

Posted by: BLR | March 14, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Don't judge anybody by who their pastor is... I worked as a minister in a church institution for 3 years. Meanwhile the head pastor who was new at the time, was promoting right-wing political junk to the congregation. It took me about 9 months to actually resign from my post due to the fact that I couldn't be associated with that man (or that particular church for that matter) anymore, especially in a house of worship. The bottom line is that religious leaders were most harshly judged by Christ himself and they were held accountable for their words and actions over and over again throughout the gospel accounts. I don't think that anyone with a clear mind could hold this against Barrack Obama for being a part of that church community. And if we look carefully at the words of this minister, we'll find some truth in them, given his identity, his history, and the context.

Posted by: S. L. | March 14, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Hi folks! I am amazed by the generalizations of Obama's camp in decryinmg this type of
so=called attack of Rev Wright to our country and to 911. He has been his pastor for 220 years and he had learned this before his campaign, but he never say a word to disassociate himself neither disagree on these statements.It is only now that he is running as president that he disowns and condemns it. This is what we calL hope and change, if not hypocrisy!

Posted by: Francis Magno | March 14, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Hey Josh N., Truth hurts huh? Is that sister/mother comment the best you can do? How about an intelligent response telling me why you disagree? Or is that beyond your capacity. Maybe you can't come up with anything so you resort to 3rd grade insults. Hummmmm. I wonder.

Posted by: David P. Burke | March 14, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

This is it! I can no longer support Obama. I really feel bad that I took part in bashing Hillary all over the blogosphere in defense of someone who turns out to be a racist. I feel like I've been violated. I owe Hillary an apology. Hope I can atone for it in November.

Posted by: XObama | March 14, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Want to see the REAL OBAMA???

Please Watch this report on Obama, Obama's slums, Rezko, and $100M of wasted taxpayer money, from Channel 5, Chicago's most respected TV news program and you'll see what the REAL Obama is REALLY LIKE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHsHM0laT8&feature=related

How can anyone, especially any person of color, still support Obama knowing that he let the people of color who voted for him in Chicago freeze to death in horrible slums?

It doesn't make any sense.

How could anybody support a man who shafts his own people after promising to protect them?

That's cold as can be.

Obama doesn't deserve ANYONE'S support!!!

Posted by: svreader | March 14, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Guido seems to think "close mindedness" is an American trait. Guess Guido's travels have been limited to patrolling the backyard with the pooch.

And to label this topic as a "non-subject"?

Guido, this "non subject" (or variations thereof)
has plagued the entire human race since the Garden of Eden.

Posted by: Stonhinged | March 14, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Preachers do their stagecraft and always have. Adults are able to seperate the pulpit artifice from their personal spiritual experience.

--But who would allow his children to attend such narrow and deceptive sermons?

The failure of judgement here is staggering. I am no longer able to support Sen. Obama.

Posted by: GarveyHall | March 14, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Wake up America. If you are a hard working ambitious person of any color or creed, you do not owe anyone else who wishes to be a parasite a damn thing. We need to demand that our politicians quit the hand outs and give something back to the people who bust their humps and pay the taxes.

If the USA is such a rotten place for people of color, why do our borders run over with every kind of third world people who wish to be here for a shot at a better life. Hillary, Obama, McCain are all self serving morons who will help no one but themselves.

As for the Wright reverend, he and his ilk are the real reason for the genocide and dispair in the black community. Instead of preaching hate and blame, he and all the fools such as Sharpton and Louis need to man up and teach people to stand on the own two feet.

Better yet, Newmont Gold can't find enough workers in their mine outside of Elko, Nevada. The average wage is $70K per year. Why not sponsor a bunch of underprivileged unemployed men from the inner city and buy them bus tickets to Nevada and freedom from the man who supposedly is holding them down.

Posted by: Keith | March 14, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

You know growing up my grandfather did not care for "colored" people, being a white man. He was committed to the church and would always gave me advice. Advice he likely believed to be good based on his moral upbringing, commitment to faith, and his perspective. Well, I listened to a lot of that advice and believe it to be good to this day. I also married a "colored" woman.

As with all of us we hear what people have to say and make our own judgments. Other than what the media is showing what else did the pastor say that may have been good sound advice?

I really don't see Obama being dragged down by this. After hearing some of what the pastor said myself I did not see much wrong with it. Really, is saying "Hillary will never know what it is like being a poor black man" racist or just a fact? As far as I can tell it is a fact.

Posted by: bizbo | March 14, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone realize that The remarks made by Rev. Wright are not all that different than those made by the Fallwells, The Hagees of the world? McCain beamed at the endoresment of Hagee. He grinned from ear to ear. McCain barely stressed a dissavowment of Hagee's bat-kooky statments and that was perfectly fine. Obama states uncatagorically that he denounces the statements made by Pastor Wright, and even goes on to call them appalling, he says i never heard him speak this way before and yet it just isnt enough. If you HONESTLY beleive Obama beleives the junk that came out of Pastor Wrights mouth then you WANT to beleive he thinks that way. Politics will make you see what you want to see, simply to get the result you want. But common sense tells you that Obama doesnt beleive that garbage. I gues common sense isntt very common.

Posted by: feastorafamine | March 14, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

sign the petition not to vote for obama in the general election
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/pledge-to-vote-against-obama-in-the-general-election
let the dems know he is unelectable

Posted by: Mary Cusack | March 14, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what the Obama children think when they hear these sermons. Sad.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

-- Are these utterances by Wright an aberation over the time that Obama has been a member of this church? Posted by: BLSMendukung --


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That is one of the major problems of
Barack's account today. "20 years" is
sticking to him regardless, as are the
prior "mentor" comments he's made on
this clown.

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-- Wright's statements are totally consistent with Michelle Obama's view on America. Posted by: BLSMendukung --


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She has only made one remark (that
Media Inc. has published anyway). She
adjusted it later.

But that initial remark, does have a
consistency with Wright's America -
that is still out to get Af/Americans
apparently...

Her remark was defensible - she forgot
for a moment the advances of MLK
and many thousands of other civil
rights warriors, of all ethnicities.
That most all of us are proud of.

Wrights remarks would have fit into
1958. They are wrong and divisive in
2008.

They deny the vast-if-not-complete
progress, made in this nation on race
matters. We have had racial evolution,
and the society is far more balanced
now in terms of attitudes and
opportunity, than it was 50 years ago.

Of course there are still pockets (fading)
of overt racism, and inferences of it, and
more subtle forms of discrimination that
still need to be illuminated and stamped
out.

But Wright would be far more credible to
adjust his message to that - as Jesse
Jackson and Al Sharpton have done - and
not go on tirades that deny the massive
improvements made. That we all did together.

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Posted by: RG | March 14, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

I'll betcha the kids were in sunday school during the fiery sermons. I thought I was going to have to write in Pat Paulsen for President this November, but now that I know that Obama has guts I may have to vote for him.

Posted by: notveryupsetreally | March 14, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

As a Republican, I'm absolutely giddy over these latest developments! We were hoping all along the Democrats would be foolish enough to serve Hillary up to us because she is just so darned unlikable and unelectable. We Republicans were all starting to sweat though as we watched Obama mesmerize the masses with his inspirational speeches and cool demeanor. Now, let's honestly summarize-in just a few words-Obama's chances of being elected President in this country - now or ever: ZILCH!!! NADA!!! NEVER!!!
This media firestorm coming at this point in the election will cause the superdelegates to break en masse for Hillary, which is unfortunate for Republicans now. While we wanted her initially because of how high her negatives are, I'd trade those negatives in any day for replays of Obama's racist, crazy, dangerous pastor - and unfortunately for Obama, good friend. Strangely enough for the increasingly nervous superdelegates, their departure from Obama will at least give their party an infinitesimally small but fighting chance with Hillary as their candidate. Watching the Democrats eat each other up is truly wonderful entertainment and, fortunately for the future of our country, occurring at exactly the right time.

Posted by: Big Al from So Cal | March 14, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

It's hard to believe that Senator Obama was unaware of the views expressed by his pastor of more than 20 years, particularly since Obama regarded Reverend Jeremiah Wright as his "moral compass" and "spiritual mentor". It's also hard to believe that many Democrats have in recent days called for Hillary Clinton to step aside in the Democratic presidential race in the interests of party unity...Obama supporters, are you really sure that the Illinois senator is the strongest candidate against John McCain in November? Working class white and Latino voters will flock to McCain if Obama is the nominee...Don't believe it? Check out Pew Research's polling data, or watch Clinton smash Obama in next month's Pennsylvania primary...way too many blue-collar types in that one...

Posted by: H-Dog | March 14, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

If I went to a church and listened to bigotry and hate describing a particular race I would leave that particular church and find another in protest. Mr Obama you seemed very comfortable with your arm around the that person and very happy. Apperently you agree!!

Posted by: jfisher23 | March 14, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

How many of you Johnny Churchies could tell me the topic or substance of your sermon last Sunday, if you indeed went to church? I doubt many of you stayed awake that long, or paid enough attention that you could do that simple task. If that's true, then why believe that anyone else does so? You want to find something negative, so it becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy when you find a little thing. Go back to your holes, please, and stop bothering all of the nice people.

Posted by: Joe | March 14, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Regarding this post: Posted by: bizbo | March 14, 2008 07:14 PM

Thank you, bizbo. The pastor speaks the truth.

Posted by: Braxton | March 14, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton has shown terrible judgement all these years for standing by Bill Clinton. Look how he treated her and all those women yet she did not reject or denounce him. How come people can accept Hillary's actions and not Obama's. I am sure that Hillary did not approve of Bill's actions and yet she stayed with him. If Obama is condemned then Hillary should be condemned.

Posted by: goldie2 | March 14, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Obama should resign from the race now. His association with this bigoted and hateful person, over many years, makes him totally unacceptable to me. And I am a democrat who has always voted for democrats in state and presidential elections.

But there is no way I will ever vote for Obama knowing of his close association with this pastor. If Obama manages to limp in with the democratic nomination I will definitely vote for McCain.

Posted by: sanking@charter.net | March 14, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Hagee was not, is not and never has been McCain's pastor. Neither was Falwell. So quit equivocating.
And if you sit in a church for 20 years thinking the pastor is full of cheet, then you sure must have a lot of empty time on your hands.

This being posted by an Obama fan who is somewhat stunned by today's negative developments.

Posted by: Stonhinged | March 14, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

See Obama's response...he basically said, "I wasn't at church those days when the pastor made those remarks, so I was never aware that such horrible things were said." Obama only just found out about these horrible remarks. Does anyone truly believe this? Wright was always on his best behavior when Obama was present, and only said such things when he wasn't in attendance? Obama said Wright is like an uncle, or family member, that sometimes says things that you don't agree with. I can tell you this, if I had an uncle or family member that spewed such venom, that continually made remarks like this, I wouldn't visit them, I wouldn't invite them to my house, and I certainly wouldn't expose my kids to them. What kind of judgment does this demonstrate. It's of real concern given the significant influence Obama suggests Wright has had on his life over the last 20 years since he was a young adult.

Posted by: Godfrey | March 14, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

It seems that Obama is about as "aware" of what's going on as Senator Clinton was.

Posted by: AMAZD | March 14, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

-- He has been his pastor for 220 years --


Perhaps that's the problem...

;-)


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Posted by: RG | March 14, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

I've been one of Obama's biggest supporters, but I can't do it anymore after this. Obama is just a racist who played us all. I'm voting for Hillary.

Posted by: AverageJane | March 14, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

It would be helpful if everyone would relax. Wright is an old man, and a liberal, civil rights era preacher who had a lot of clout in Chicago for a long time. By now, he doesn't come up with these speeches, he just reads them from a Noam Chomsky or French book.

20 years ago, I'm guessing Obama was new in town and needed some clout to help with his political ambitions, plus he knew that being an athiest wouldn't be too helpful to his career. So he joined up with this Church for a bunch of reasons, and hopefully for some personal spirituality while he was at it. Abandoning that Church would have hurt his support and made him look disloyal, as it would to do so now.

All of which is to say: big deal. The man is ambitious and God bless him for that. This country could use some ambition again from those who don't have a sense of entitlement like the Clintons and the Bushes and the Kerrys and the Gores and the Romneys and the Spitzers etc.

You have to be irrationally ambitious to want to be President. It is a tremendous responsiblity to undertake, and you're destined to take 20 years off your life by taking it on. That's why we usually only get already rich people to run for the job. Their already rich fathers and mothers get them all juiced up to run for office from birth. Both Bushes, Kerry, Gore, Romney and on and on, run for office because they don't have a real care in the world, and they want the power, and the fame, etc.

This guy Obama wants the power too, but at least he's hung out with some real people over the years. He's no Messiah, and he'll let us down in various ways like they all do, but he's got potential.

It's not like Obama ever said any of this Reverend Wright crap himself, and more importantly, it's not like he has ever based any part of his campaigns on this crap.

John Kerry came to power by parlaying his anti-American, Winter soldier baloney into a run for office in the most liberal state in the Country. Then he ran for President on the premise that, based upon his four months in Vietnam, he knew when to take this country to war and when not to. Which was of course why he voted for the Iraq war, which he later said was the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time. Make sense to you? Me neither.

Obama's never said anything anti-American, and doesn't rely on anything anti-American to support his campaign's message. He doesn't say Bush and Clinton took us into Iraq because they love Haliburton and like to kill babies. He says they took us into Iraq because they were too stupid to realize what a strategic blunder it would be.

Obama doesn't say Bush took us to war because Bush didn't go to Vietnam. He says Bush took us to war because he is an idiot.

I hope people understand the difference.

Plus, from what I understand, Obama enjoys basketball. You can't be anti-American and enjoy basketball. That's a scientific fact. Look it up.

An Obama vs. McCain race is exactly what this country needs. Two solid Americans of differing views, laying it all out on the table for us to decide. Take a look at how McCain treats this issue. I'll bet he says its a non-issue, and that's even though it's clearly in his interest to have his opponent be Hillary Clinton. Ask any die hard Republican.

Posted by: Jim Ruel | March 14, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

"Obama should resign from the race now."
Posted by: sanking@charter.net
____________________
Hopefully this poster meant the Presidential race....

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Falls right in line with Obama and supporters only on a much larger scale. This crowd doesn't like white men because they say they are racist. They don't like white women because they say they only vote on gender. They think blue collar workers are not educated enough and they don't like baby boomers because they are too old and out of touch. I guess Wright has taken all of this to a much higher level.

Posted by: Randy | March 14, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

""Obama's Slums" in Chicago never got fixed thanks to Rezko and company.
Obama either didnt care or didnt care."
To anyone who wants to talk about Rezko, lets
Posted by: Middle Road | March 14, 2008 06:30 PM

Obama was state senator in charge of fixing the slums. Not only did nothing get fixed, they got worse. Resko employed Obama as a lawyer. Rezko is on trial and Obama seems to be teflon don.

Posted by: | March 14, 2008 06:36 PM
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So, just repeat it ad nauseum, because you really dont have anything to add? The prosecution in Rezko's trial has made it clear that he isn't in anyway implicated. Do you want me to put that in words on one syllable?

Posted by: middlerd1 | March 14, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

I have yet to make up my mind about which democratic candidate to vote for in the NC primary but 90% of the comments above push me to Senator Obamma. I deplored the election of George Bush. This country will suffer for many years because of decisions of this administration. While all that is how I feel, I certainly would never issue such "hate statements" such as I have read here against this black man. May God bless all of you and help you to accept ALL people as worthy of respect.

Posted by: Liz in Raleigh | March 14, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

I can`t believe the liberal media finds it harmful to use the (N) word but o.k. to curse God. Pastors who use such language are a travasity to their profession.Rev. Wright needs counseling,he obviously has some issues.

Posted by: Gary Jenkins | March 14, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse


" I am def voting Republican""

Naive- does not know Republicans are mother of all Fraudist.
Rezko is just an ant, ABRAhamof is in jail for BILLIONS$$$$$ of fraud. McCain has Saving & Loan scandal$$$$$$$$$.
Hillary's men are in JAIL for fraud!!!!!$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


OBAMA is not corrupt.

VOTE OBAMA

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Hagee may not have been McCains pastor but he BEAMED glowingly and shook hands with him. He was honored by the endoresment. I can equivocate all i like. I can do so because once again the notion that you are guilty by association goes both ways. So if you dont think McCain should be judged for his giddy acceptance of Hagee then you cant turn around and play it differently for Obama. If Obama HAD heard this rhettoric before do you HONESTLY think he would support it? Come on! common sense please. I admired and respected my grandfather and he was a moral compass for me. He also happened to be a bigot. I had enough sense to take what i needed and i left the rest. Is it possible that what Obama saw in his Pastor was the years upon years of good he did? I guess we are not capable of parsing along those lines? Wow then i hate to think we can learn anything from Anyone.

Posted by: feastorafamine | March 14, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Apparently it's OK to attend KKK meetings as long as you, yourself, keep a low profile on the KKK message. Anybody agree with this nonsense?

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

middlerd 1:

Can I help?

I believe is one syllable...

Posted by: Stonhinged | March 14, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Regarding this post: Posted by: Big Al from So Cal | March 14, 2008 07:18 PM

Let's hope you're wrong, Big Al. If not, then we're all headed off a cliff with the Regressive Republican Fascists that have largely "lead" this country since the era of Ronald Ray-Gun.

Posted by: Braxton | March 14, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Does everything my white, suburban minister say and do what I do? Do I agree with everything he says?

No.

Do I attend church for fellowship with my neighbors? Better understanding of the Bible? Try to lead a better life? Receive strength?

Yes.

Thanks Hillary. Play to our fears of a "black uprising" if Obama is elected.

Scum.

Posted by: Mark | March 14, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse


AMZAD===DAZMA.


VOTE OBAMA.

Posted by: Tariq Ahmed | March 14, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

This will all quite down in a few days. Ever body will forget about it. Brother Wright is telling the truth and black people will vote for OB 100%. Ever body loves Barack and will follow him. We will take the Whitehouse one way or the other.

Posted by: blkpwr | March 14, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I definitely meant that Obama should resign from the presidential race now. With all of the advantages the democrats have this year there is no way a person with such a flawed background, specifically a long personal and spiritual realationship with a bigot racist and hater of the US and its policies could ever beat McCain. Did he really say, "Not God Bless America but God Damn America."

Lord, just wait until the republican consultants put that to play in a race between Obama and McCain. It will be about 60% - 40% for McCain.

Sandy

Posted by: sanking@charter.net | March 14, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

1. Obama refuses to wear an American Flag pin and criticizes those who do as being less patriotic than himself.
2. Michelle Obama has only recently become proud of America.
3. Obama belongs to a group who leader spouts racial and religious hate. He calls this leader his spiritual mentor.

what am I missing here?

Posted by: AMAZD | March 14, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

First, this editorial is completely biased and again, fear mongering. I believe in our right to criticize this Pastor's comments, but Mary Akers so over-exaggerates, she may as well be the thought police. She CLEARLY isn't qualified to write a column.

Second, as a Republican, I am astounded to hear such ignorant comments (even if you are Democrats) comparing this loose canon OLD man with the KKK who lynched and murdered people???

DON'T EVER call Republicans bigots again!!

Posted by: lm | March 14, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Regarding this post: Posted by: sanking@charter.net | March 14, 2008 07:34 PM

If you are right, Sandy, then perhaps you should sign up for a 100 year tour of duty in Iraq! Interested? If so, then go ahead and vote for McSame...

Posted by: Braxton | March 14, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

-- As a Republican, I'm absolutely giddy over these latest developments! --

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Fine. Now perhaps you'd like to defend
how the Reagan/Bush/Bush "Trickle-Down"
tax-cut scam of the last 3 decades, has
served to lift all boats in America...


...but, but - Liberals! Socialism! Whitewater!!


What a discredited, bankrupt joke your GOP
has become -

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Posted by: RG | March 14, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm mortified about what Rev. said--too sick to my stomach to even think about its implications regarding Obama.

As I listened to the YouTube video, what angered me the most was listening to the Rev. compare the African American experience to Hillary Clinton's. Mostly, as a woman, hearing this crap enraged me. For God's sake, what is wrong with people?!

Are women to the point of making as much as men in this country? Are women not abused constantly? Do we really want to compare this sort of thing?!

Instead of the N-word, Mr. Rev., women get the special privlege of being called the B-word or the C-word. Does it feel any better than the N-word? Furthermore, it usually comes when we are strong women (or will not do what men want us to do) or speak or minds directly about something. It comes when we are being the most real. Women in this country have been trained to even treat other women this way.

Women might not have to worry that a cab might not pick them up, but they worry that they'll get raped or killed if they go out for walks at night by someone who hates them simply because they are women or by someone who thinks he is entitled to something that's hers (her own body, for example). I can't imagine how any woman including Hilary could be exempt from this sort of experience. How many CSI shows or movies about a woman being physically brutalized have to be thrown at us, and the mainstream in our country sucked them up like a favorite dessert? And if she's a strong woman and speaks up about it, people say, "Oh, give me a break, not that issue again," and she gets the B-word.

As a white female teacher in America, some days I'm honestly not proud of America. I bet Hilary Clinton is not either at. But after looking over my shoulder on the way to my car, getting whistled at on my way out of my car, and (doesn't matter how high my collar and how baggy my pants) being eyed and hearing whispering from my male students as I walk by, and making it through a day like that, I still think this is my America too, and it would be worse in a number of other countries.

Rev. has done what so many are doing during this campaign--he's pulling the race card. Even though in the process he is directly disregarding the female experience and ignoring any reality other than his own angry version, he thinks he's right for it. I'm sure anything Clinton says in response will cause her to be percieved as even more of a racist...and a B-word racist. And the media will help it to happen. Sickening. What could have been an exciting campaign is becoming utterly gross, and you know what? I for one don't think it's Hilary's fault just because she continued on in the race.

Posted by: Maria | March 14, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

First I didn't believe in the Easter Bunny , then I found out my girl cousin was actually our Santa Claus, then I stopped believing in God. Now I just try to think how I would want to be treated and how someone else may be thinking on a particular subject. It eminates a lot of hassles.I haven't missed it. All people do is call people swear words over and try to kill each other to prove they are closer to God than the other person.Plus about 50% of preachers are trying to have sex with someone else's wife or daughter or just separate people from their money.

Posted by: majorteddy | March 14, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Regarding this post: Posted by: RG | March 14, 2008 07:42 PM

Thank you. Please join me in supporting an Obama/Edwards candidacy.

Posted by: Braxton | March 14, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

He had to have known about these remarks and the attitude. With this in mind, the best way to have protested in the past right after the event would be to leave the church. Would you stay at a church where these comments are made by the leader? Can innocent whites take a risk with this candidate to be our President? Something serious to think about.

Posted by: Billy | March 14, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

SVReader, Please. The only favor to "higher ups" that you have "called in" is to ask your mom to let you continue to live in her basement and use her computer.

Posted by: Maria | March 14, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Problem is that all statements from Senator Clinton and anyone even remotely tied to her campaign,are relentlessly analyzed and criticized and attacked by "media personalities." The same, predominantly white media establishment does not dare to scrutinize Senator Obama and the positions of his affiliates. Don't tell me this double standard has nothing to do with the sudden racial correctness of the screaming head in TV and elsewhere.
If Senator Clinton had quickly and unequivocally condemned racist statements as those customary in the Reverend Wright's setting, her political career would have been as dead as Governor Spitzer's.
See also,
http://www.reflectivepundit.com

Posted by: bn1123 | March 14, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Wow....nothing more amusing than watching a group of Obama "cultists" try to spin there way out from under this one!!

Cal (above) even says that "everything the preacher said is absolutely correct". Really? African Americans should sing "God Damn America"? Really?? "The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color." Really??? The Good Reverend also suggests that the United States should bare responsibility for the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks!! Really????

Several of you kool-aid drinkers suggest that Hillary's or McCain's "spiritural advisors" should be "checked out". AGREED! Bring it on!! I want to hear from anyone that a candidate considers a "spiritural mentor"....we can learn alot about a candidate (or anyone for that matter) by who he "respects" or goes to for "spiritural guidance and direction".

Senator Obama spent two decades of Sundays, with his family, sitting in a pew in front of this tired old racist, allowing his wife and children to listen to his misguided nonesense and had no problem with it. That says alot to me about his character.

Then, when confronted by audio of the Rev's racist rhetoric, he throws him immediately under the bus. This too is very telling.

All this time that the good Senator continued to ramble about "hope and unity" he was listening to the racially devisive rants of a looney Reverand!!

Wake up Obamaites, put down the kool-aid, take off the rose-colored glasses and grow up. Your candidate is a fraud!!

Posted by: Tim_CA | March 14, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

amazd..
1. Obama refuses to wear an American Flag pin and criticizes those who do as being less patriotic than himself.
2. Michelle Obama has only recently become proud of America.
3. Obama belongs to a group who leader spouts racial and religious hate. He calls this leader his spiritual mentor.

what am I missing here?

1-Are you wearing an american flag lapel pin? You know the ones made in CHINA? Is it wrong to think that wearing those pins is merely a gimmick to be viewed as a ardent patriot? Sounds like Nazi germany, wear this symbol on your coat or we KNOW where you stand. Kooky. Patriotism isnt a fashion accesory.
2- Michelle Obama said that she was REALLY proud to be an American. A reflection that she was always proud before but is now REALLY proud. How could she not be when her husband, a black man has a real shot to be president, or for that matter a woman could become president. I AM REALLY proud too.
3-Obama belongs to a church that has helped folks (black AND WHITE by the way)for decades, and is able to take what he needs and leave the rest. Meaning.. my grandfather was a bigot but that didnt mean i could leave that out and still draw wisdom from him. Also i would say Obama calling those comments "deplorable" is an indication of what HE beleives. If you really think Obama beleives that garbage then you probably want to beleive that. Common sense tells you that this is merely political hot water more than idealogy he suscribes to. This situation is like an orgasm to those who want to inject that wacky notion of some hidden race agenda. Ya and the moon is made of cheese.

So....what are you missing?
Context.
90% of all accidents occur within 5 miles of the home. In your mind its because the area around your hiome MUST be somehow more dangerous, instead of the FACT that this is the area you do 90% of your driving in the first place. That is called context

Posted by: feastorafamine | March 14, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

"What could have been an exciting campaign is becoming utterly gross, and you know what? I for one don't think it's Hilary's fault just because she continued on in the race."

Thank God for the recent elections in Texash, Ohio and Rhode Island that kept Hillary Clinton in the race. At least there is still a chance that the voters can get it right and select the right person to go againt McCain. Hillary Clinto may be somewhat flawed, but she is well vetted and tough as hell. My state has already voted so I have no more say in this, other than perhpas to contribute.

In fact, I think it is time to do that, and contact all of the super delegates from my state to tell them exactly what I think of Obama.

Sandy

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Regarding this post by: Tim_CA | March 14, 2008 07:48 PM

Congratulations, Tim. Sounds like YOU drank a pitcher of the special brew, Idiot Bush Iraq War Kool-Aid! What? Have indigestion now??

Posted by: Braxton | March 14, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Barack needs to bow out now. There is no way he can win in November after this. What Rev Wright said about America is just disgusting. I can see the Republican ad now... An endless loop of Michele's "Proud" remark and Wright's "God damn America". If Barack and Michele didn't believe what Wright preaches, they would have left that church a long time ago and certainly not exposed their children to it. It's over.

Posted by: ItsOver | March 14, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Many whites were brought to this country as endentured servents to serve the rich and pay for their passage here for a period of years. Blacks were brought here in slave ships against their will and both black and white suffered and died in transport! I ask this question----where would those black and white slaves be now if they were not brought to this country? Think about it!!!! Why demean each other.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Nice comeback Braxton. Just what I'd expect....off topic and does nothing to further the intelligent discussion of the topic. You absolutely prove my point....Thanks! Don't forget to drink up!!

Posted by: Tim_CA | March 14, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

JUDGMENT: This is what we are suppose to elect our leaders on. Obama has shown poor judgment in his spiritual leader. (Wright) Poor judgment in his friends. (Rezko) Poor judgment in his allies. (FBI Weatherman terrorist). Poor judgment in a wife (who is only now proud to be an American). (and I really want this person in my whitehouse?). Ok, I'm waiting for someone climb off the emotional soapboxes and give me a case that shows his good judgment.

Posted by: Margi | March 14, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

This seems clear. J. Wright has some strong unconventional and some would say outrageous opinions about the USA and Obama not only doesn't agree with them, but repudiates them completely.

One point of fact, it was recognised in the 9/11 commission submissions by intelligence officials (although removed from the final report) that the major reason that the 9/11 hijackers attacked the USA was due to its support of Israel's acts of state terroism against the palestinians. If you want to check the facts review the numerous United Nations resolutions calling for the cessation of Israel's attacks against civilias in the occupied territories, all of which have been vetoed by the USA. In fact, the vote is usually something like 154 countries for the resolution and only the USA and Israel against. There are several dozen such resolutions.
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpa/qpal/resolutions_new_qpal.htm

For some reason, this fact seems unacceptable in the US at the moment.


Posted by: Alastair, London | March 14, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

"Children" forced to listen to hate message-

Is it Child abuse?

Is Obama fit to be a parent?

Michele Obama's hate for America has been festered by their pastor.

Obama is only smarter not to speak his mind. But now we know what lies in his soul. It is full of hate.

Obama is not fit to be President.

Obama does not have the right judgement to be a good parent.

Posted by: SeedofChange | March 14, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Anybody who has their panties in a bunch over this needs to realize that by any objective standard most of what the paster said is demonstrably true. The US is systematically racist, has a terrorist international policy (remember "shock and awe"), and we have a strong and growing class system which disadvantages the poor. That is all true, even though politicians can't admit it.

MCain gives commencement at "everybody else is going to Hell" Liberty university, and Ferraro claims to be "beat down by the (black)man". We more or less let these absurdities slide by and freak out when somebody not directly involved in Obama's campaign speaks the truth, sounds like a country in denial to me.

Posted by: dgandhi | March 14, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Hey blkpwr: I see through your screen name. Bring it M*THERF*CKER!

Posted by: Screw YOU | March 14, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

And just how poor is Rev, Wright? And just how much freedom does he enjoy to wag his ignorant racist tongue? I do believe that Obama the agent of change knew the fool Wright's position after twenty years as a member of the church/terrorist cell.

Posted by: Keith | March 14, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

So, the thrashing of Barack Obama has begun... ABC, FOX, CBS... It seemed too good to be true. For the first time since JFK, america had the opportunity to elect a truly good president. And get away from the circle of hate and fear they are in. But it was too good to be true, it had to stop, so instead of shooting him like it used to be done in the 1960's, the media are digging and throwing anything they can at Obama.

Do you seriously think things are gonna change with Clinton or McCain? they're gonna stay juuuust the saaame....And every one who's happy with the actual situation, will be fullfilled, for at least another 8 years, pobably more. The rich will stay rich, the poor will stay poor, we'll continue to hate and fear everyone outside of USA (and inside!), let Africa die, use the world as a trash, and get more and more ignorant and controlled everyday. And it's a shame, because people don't want that... But they are too affraid to risk anything...
Unfortunatly one day, they'll be consequences for our acts. Every society built on fear, envy, and huge inequalities, instead of responsability, love, justice, spirituality, fairness, IS BOND TO FAIL. The question is when? Soon. But don't worry, since we seem incapable of learning from our mistakes, we'll start doing it all over again^^

Sure I might be a fool to think Obama is different. And of course he won't be able to change the world in 8 years.
But at least he sends the right message, that is already a lot, no? And he's the only one to do it.
I feel he's the only one in the presidential race who can help to make the world a better place .
RISK OBAMA for 2008!

Maxime, from Paris

Posted by: MaximeInParis | March 14, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Umbria, Maria- words can not express how off base you are. I won't kill any more brain cells reading these ridiculous blogs.

Even I feel sorry for Obama. We were right about Clinton and you Democrats didn't believe us. She is lower than I even imagined ....amazing.

Posted by: lm | March 14, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Where was this news 3 months ago???

Posted by: Noah | March 14, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

UTICA -- When the Rev. William Procanick put his hand on the Bible during his sex-abuse trial in Oneida County Court earlier this year, he swore to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

But as the former Clinton pastor was sentenced Friday to three years in prison for inappropriately touching a 7-year-old girl at his home last March, Judge Michael L. Dwyer said Procanick sacrificed his honesty the day he testified.

"As a minister of God, you got on the stand and you lied," Dwyer told Procanick, the 54-year-old former pastor of Resurrection Assembly of God church on Kirkland Avenue.

A jury found Procanick guilty Jan. 22 of first-degree sexual abuse and endangering the welfare of a child.

Hillary needs to disavow this pastor or else I won't vote for her

Posted by: Kyle | March 14, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

feastorafamine - no it isn't enough.

It is beyond belief that I am supposed to believe Obama has never heard this guy talk like this before? In another article before these he said the guy was 'inflammatory', thats it.

When someone makes a racist attack, and multiple times, we do not normally consider it inflammatory, its racism.

Further, Obama shouldn't be president if he doesn't have better awareness then this.

I honestly believe that Obama does not feel the need to defend either America or white people from these hateful statements. Yet, if they were made against a minority, he would feel a need.

That is a problem.


Posted by: win1 | March 14, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Margi,
In anwser to your questions (which is a good one even if your examples are not).

Judgement:
1. Obama spoke out against the Iraq war before it happened at a time when it was not politically safe to do so (i.e. everyone else was heading the other way).

2. Obama sponsored and got passed numerous bills of judgement importance including:
a) Stopping racially profiling by Illinois police.
b) A tough ethics bill to prevent bribary in the Illinois senate.
c) A bill in the US Senate to lower the chances of nuclear weapons falling into the hands of terrorists.

3. He has led this campaign very well builing grassroots support against a strong very well known and politcally powerful opponent.

Of course, we would all like to see more examples of judgement from both candidates but they have limited public records (11 yrs for Obama and 7 for Clinton).

Let's concentrate on the positive things they have done and are advocating.

Thanks.

Posted by: Alastair, London | March 14, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Hey Screw YOU, I wouldn't worry about any covert message from Mr/Ms. blkpwr. They are likely some rich white kid from MoveOn.org.

Posted by: Keith | March 14, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

"1. Obama refuses to wear an American Flag pin and criticizes those who do as being less patriotic than himself."

Obama has NEVER "criticized" anyone for wearing a flag pin. However it is interesting to point out that some of the politicians who DO are near-criminals or have actually been indicted. It is EASY to stick a pin on your lapel, it is much harder to actually defend and uphold the Constitution.

"2. Michelle Obama has only recently become proud of America."

Michelle Obama made her remarks about being "really proud" of the way people have gotten involved in the poitical process during this election. She has always loved this country so you need to get it straight and stop being irrational and blind.

"3. Obama belongs to a group who leader spouts racial and religious hate. He calls this leader his spiritual mentor."

Obama is a member of a congregation who happens to not agree with some of his Pastor's comments. Not every Catholic abides or agrees with the Pope on everything. I am sure that John McCain might not believe in the "Rapture" even if he is more than happy to have a nutcase like John Hagee endorse him. I am sure not every "good" Christian agrees that adultery and homosexuality should be punished by stoning as the Bible says.

This is such a stupid story. If anyone paid attention to what Obama says HIMSELF in his books and speeches they would know that he is not some radical "angry black man" as Fox News would have all it's ignorant viewers believe. How easily you all answer the dog-whistle of fear!

"what am I missing here?"

You wouldn't be missing anything if you had a free mind and the ability to read. I don't know if some of the people posting here are ever going to take their heads out of their lower digestive tracts long enough to ever see daylight. That is why I am sometimes NOT proud of my country.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

The thrashing of Obama? Please. It's about time the media paid ANY attention to what Obama is doing.

Up until now, there was a huge fear of being branded a racist if you said anything against Obama. Now, thanks to Wright, the truth can be heard.

Let the beatings begin ...

Posted by: The time has come | March 14, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Come on Braxton and RG (re: posts at 7:42 and 7:45)... lighten up! I'm just keepin' it real! Republicans all across this great country (it really is you know!)completely support you in your desire to see Barack and Edwards on your ticket! Heck there are probably some of us rich, evil Republicans right now working behind the scenes to ensure this happens. Best of luck to you and your cause! (;-) In all honesty, you rabid liberal types really ought to turn the political strategizing over to those in your party (and I've read many of their posts right here, actually) with cooler heads not prone to use such cliche terminology as "Republican Fascists" and oh my goodness, did you really write "Ronald Ray-Gun?!" Now, that's cute... and back in 1981 it was kind of original too!

Posted by: BigAlSoCal | March 14, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Obama said. "Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we're talking about the Iraq War, that became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security, I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest.
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I read this to mean that Obama thinks people who wear flag pins are substituting the pins for "true patriotism."

Likewise Michelle Obama's comments about only being "really proud" of her country speak for themselves. To focus on "really proud" is like defining the verb "is."

Hate speech is hate speech, whether it is a Black minister or the KKK. Suggesting that the congregation should sing "Goddam America" instead of "God bless America" speaks for itself. I don't think saying you never noticed is a good excuse. It certainly wouldn't be for a white Republican. I remember the uproar when Bush gave a speech at Bob Jones University.

Posted by: AMAZD | March 14, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

It's ridiculous for Obama to suggest that the first time he learned of the hate views of Rev Wright was at the beginning of his presidential campaign. Sorry, don't buy it. My bet is there will be digging that will reveal he was aware of these 'sermons' earlier than 2007 and then he will be questioned about why he 1) lied and 2) remained a follower.

Posted by: Ann | March 14, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

win1
It is beyond belief that I am supposed to believe Obama has never heard this guy talk like this before? In another article before these he said the guy was 'inflammatory', thats it.

When someone makes a racist attack, and multiple times, we do not normally consider it inflammatory, its racism.

Further, Obama shouldn't be president if he doesn't have better awareness then this.

I honestly believe that Obama does not feel the need to defend either America or white people from these hateful statements. Yet, if they were made against a minority, he would feel a need.

That is a problem.

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Really? Its not possible to have never heard Pastor Wright talking this way before? Of the 20 plus years of sermans there are 5 minutes of infalatory statements but yet its impossible to have never heard anything like it before? Obama stated from the beggining of his campaign that he didnt agree with many of Rev. Wrights statments. then he stated today..
"I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy''
Furthermore you should look up racist. I think you may not realize what you mean to say. Racism, the common defintion is the notion that a race feels SUPERIOR to another race. I still fail to see how Obama made a "racist attack" When did that happen? Oh wait! You must mean the statments made by Pastor Wright. O h i see my grandpa calls the neighbor a wetback and now he is utterly useless and i now instantly become a card carrying member of the KKK? Goofy.
As for Obamas "awareness" My god if i have to choose to only associate with folks who will never in any circumstance or at ANY time in their life say somehting i disagree with then i might want to live on the teletubbies island.
As for you hoonsetly feeling Obama doesnt feel the need to defend "America or white people" I didnt know that "white people" needed protection. I know the USA needs protection. See there ya go again. ANOTHER person that thinks America is on negro alert. Watch out those negros are comming. Ha! Silly beyond the point of a retort.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Right from the start, I don't think so. Obama said:

2002
"I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences."

2003
"There's not much of a difference between my position and George Bush's position at this stage."

2004
In July 2004, [Obama] argued that America had an "absolute obligation" to stay in Iraq until the country stabilized. "The failure of the Iraqi state would be a disaster," he said. "It would dishonor the 900-plus men and women who have already died."

Two months later, Obama criticized Bush's conduct of the war but repeated that simply pulling out would further destabilize Iraq, making it an "extraordinary hotbed of terrorist activity." And he signaled his openness to the deployment of additional troops if this would make an eventual withdrawal more likely.

2006
In June 2006, Obama still opposed "a date certain for the total withdrawal of U.S. troops." "I don't think it's appropriate for Congress," he said, "to make those decisions about what happens in the field."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/13/AR2008031303170.html

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Really? Its not possible to have never heard Pastor Wright talking this way before? Of the 20 plus years of sermons there are 5 minutes of inflammatory statements but yet its impossible to have never heard anything like it before? Obama stated from the beginning of his campaign that he didn't agree with many of Rev. Wrights statements. then he stated today..
"I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy''
Furthermore you should look up racist. I think you may not realize what you mean to say. Racism, the common definition is the notion that a race feels SUPERIOR to another race. I still fail to see how Obama made a "racist attack" When did that happen? Oh wait! You must mean the statements made by Pastor Wright. O h i see my grandpa calls the neighbor a wetback and now he is utterly useless and i now instantly become a card carrying member of the KKK? Goofy.
As for Obamas "awareness" My god if i have to choose to only associate with folks who will never in any circumstance or at ANY time in their life say something i disagree with then i might want to live on the teletubbies island.
As for you honestly feeling Obama doesnt feel the need to defend "America or white people" I didn't know that "white people" needed protection. I know the USA needs protection. See there ya go again. ANOTHER person that thinks America is on negro alert. Watch out those Negros are coming. Ha! Silly beyond the point of a retort.

Posted by: feastorafamine | March 14, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

FWIW --

The sentiments of Rev. Wright are not completely unusual within the black community. I have been shocked at some of the anti-white comments uttered by some friends and acquaintances (especially since these are people who usually do not even know any whites to any substantial degree). I try to discourage them -- I won't lie and tell you I've cut them off as friends -- but a sizable number of blacks harbor anti-white/persecution complexes.

That sort of sentiment would have been completely rational in the 50s and 60s (you HAVE seen the movies of the dogs and the bombs and the firehoses), but the fact is, whites as a whole have done their level best to make things right. Making things right is never as good as things always having been right, but leave that aside. Most whites are of, as they say, "good will". A substantial portion are not, but it is a minority. The 50s and 60s were 40 and 50 years ago. Some people, though, have not moved on.

Here's my point: I know blacks like this preacher, and I'm pretty sure I'm not racist. I'm pretty sure I get as outraged over the Holocaust as over slavery (probably a little more so, truth be told). I have always been grateful for what Jews who have known me have done for me, in part because they simply saw something in me, but in part out of a spirit of fair play. And I'd be a pretty low person to maintain any sort of race hatred after these people have extended themselves to me. I am absolutely confident Sen. Obama does not harbor Rev. Wright's views. He was raised by middle-class whites, for God's sake. (And I'm thinking a commercial with his grandmom would nip this RIGHT in the bud.)

If you REALLY hate Rev. Wright's racist spiel? Support Sen. Obama, and show him that the America Wright hates no longer exists. Abandoning him only tells the Rev. Wrights of the world that, when push comes to shove, it really IS race that matters.

Posted by: gbooksdc | March 14, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting that Senator Obama has chosen to respond to the Reverend Wright controversy on The Huffington Post, and on MSNBC in an interview with craven, fawning, Obama syncophant, Keith Olbermann. These two venues are so far left, so lacking any sense of balance among Democrats, let alone Republicans, that Senator Obama is left with no credibility, and of course, no hope of making his case with the kind of centrist, Democratic swing voters he so desperately needs in Pennsylvania and beyond. If he is afraid to appear on more mainstream media outlets, we are seeing the beginning of the end of Senator Obama's quest for the White House.

Posted by: H-Dog | March 14, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

AMAZD said..
Obama said. "Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we're talking about the Iraq War, that became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security, I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest.
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I read this to mean that Obama thinks people who wear flag pins are substituting the pins for "true patriotism."

Likewise Michelle Obama's comments about only being "really proud" of her country speak for themselves. To focus on "really proud" is like defining the verb "is."

Hate speech is hate speech, whether it is a Black minister or the KKK. Suggesting that the congregation should sing "Goddam America" instead of "God bless America" speaks for itself. I don't think saying you never noticed is a good excuse. It certainly wouldn't be for a white Republican. I remember the uproar when Bush gave a speech at Bob Jones University.

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Yes i read Obamas statement the SAME way. Shocker. I DONT beleive that a stupid lapel pin means anything in terms of patriotism. The fact we are EVEN discussing a Lapel pin is sooooo STUPID. Do you realize how silly that is? See its only someithing of import to you because its part of the jigsaw puzzle you are trying to create that somebody is unpatriotic. So you take a lapel pin and use that. Well Hello again Joe McCarthy.
Michelle Obama was NEVER proud of her country before? See if you HONESTLY beleive that you are deluded beyond help. This is political mannuevering. This istn real. This is "gotcha" politics at its worst. McCain accidentally called himself liberal in a speech a few weeks ago. Now despite the right wing labeling him as such so i really think he sees himself as a liberal??? Come on. Gimme a break. By the way to "focus" on the word "really" Is "really" a good idea. See it provides this crazy thing called CONTEXT. Wow a novel idea.
As for hate speech being hate speech on that we can agree. I dont defend the comments of Rev. Wright, neither does Obama so whats your point? Sayining "you never noticed" again is slightly skewed and lacks CONTEXT. This guy gives sermons for decades and all that can be produced is 5 MINUTES worth of a stupid diatribe but yet you find this impossible to miss? Gimme a break. In order to actually WITNESS it in the first place Obama would have had to come to every sermon everytime he spoke, or just out of total coincidence show up the day he made those statments. Is it possible he missed those comments? Ummm more than possible, its highly probable.

Posted by: feastorafamine | March 14, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if I am entitled to a refund by the Obama campaign for the $125 in donations I made. I feel I have been defrauded. What a profound disappointment to find out the candidate of change and hope is a sophist.

Senator Obama's campaign will sink quicker than the titanic at this point. He's not going to recover politically from this and he shouldn't.

Posted by: Jeff Owen | March 14, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Here come the destroyers of the dream!

We Americans seem completely unable and unwilling to practice even the smallest degree of self-reflection and self-assessment. So the people whose power and identity is threatened by Barack need a scapegoat. And are they ever desperate! In psychology, this is called "shadow" and "projection".

Listen, folks. This is a white guy talking.

Does our long and sordid history of military and clandestine intervention in the rest of the world contribute to the current distrust and resistance to our ambition to dominate the world? Of course it does. In that sense, can we allow Rev. Wright to make an observation, to challenge us to examine our own contribution to the mess we're in? No, of course not. It's much too painful and scary to look at ourselves.

Now you right-wing people are going to come back at me with some abstractions about "country" and "patriotism." But the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed by our smart bombs cannot and do not see things in terms of your abstract fantasy. They see them in terms of the terrible pain endured by the loss of "mother" or "father" or "brother" or "sister" or "son" or "daughter". You would, too. The only reason you don't is because you have not yet had to endure such humiliation and suffering.

The world is running out of oil. The Third World wants to enjoy our standard of living. The forests and fisheries are being consumed. We let loose an avalanche of bombs to force another country to guarantee 75% of it to our oil companies. What do you expect to happen if we keep on the course we're on? Where do you think all of this is leading?

It leads to the war of All vs All. Individualism and self-interest drown out community and cooperation. Power politics and winning-at-whatever-the-cost trump any sense of decency.

But it's all falling apart. Dick Cheney says "The American way of life is not negotiable." Wanna bet? Iran has started trading oil in Euros instead of dollars. Yesterday the Fed forked over $200 billion of our dollars to the predators in exchange for their worthless sub-prime mortgage notes. And the price of food is guaranteeing the starvation of the world's poor.

So Barack needs to be destroyed. We cannot allow this hopemonger to threaten our view of the world. Hillary's suicide pact with the future justifies anything. Can we resist the pull of our own darkness this time?

Posted by: maxmilagro | March 14, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Do the people here even know that Bin Laden was trained and financed by the American secret service during the war in Afgan. against Russia?
Did you know they also trained the Viet-cong to kick the French out of Indochina?

How do you call the act of killing 210.000 innocents civilians with the atomic bomb and never apologyzing??

How do you call a country with so smart, educated, brilliant, brave, and joyfull citizens as America, but yet, who still does the same mistakes,
pollutes the world like no other country,
goes at war only to profit to an elit,
lies, manipulates, controls its own citizens,
cares only for money, at every means possible,
And still sings every morning "God bless America"

I say "God bless the idea of America: freedom, justice, love, for every one"

But God damn greedy, selfish, communitarian, stupid America!

Maybe that's what the pastor was trying to say.
And you know what? wether you're Republican or democrat, if you're not blind, you'll have to agree something's wrong with America, and maybe this pastor's got a point.

BUT ANYWAY, SINCE OBAMA DISAGREED WITH THOSE COMMENTS MADE BY HIS PASTOR, THIS SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE.
Rev. WRIGHT IS NOT OBAMA!
The fact that the Rep keep on attacking Obama with this, just shows how dumb they think the American public really is.
I, for one, attend to prove the Rep wrong

Posted by: CountryInDenial | March 14, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Hey...Obama supporters... if he offers you a free trip to British Guyana with unlimited kool-aid refreshments, then go for it. But, most of you probably have no idea what that means. You are so naive that it is really discouraging and the Republicans deserve to win in November.

Posted by: mo897 | March 14, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

I don't currently, not have I ever worn a flag pin. If someone asked me why I don't, I wouldn't suggest that those who wore flag pins were substituting the wearing of flag pins for patriotism. Obama made the flag pin episode significant by first wearing it, then taking it off, then criticizing others who continued to wear the flag. If you want to criticize someone for making a big deal about wearing a flag pin, Obama's you guy; not me.

Regarding Obama repudiating Wright's remarks, simply too little, too late. It's the difference between doing the right thing, and doing the political expedient thing.

Is there any difference between not being "really" proud and not being proud? This is just a silly attempt to cover her "real" feelings.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Now we see why this contry was built and settled on the doctrine of seperation of church, state and religious freedom.
McCarthyism has been mentioned.
Today, we are fighting distant wars in societies that have allowed politics to intrude on religion in their civic life.
It is wrong to question a citizen's faith in the political arena. No one has a lock on God.
When a person goes behind those sanctuary doors in America they are free to be with the channel their Glory, without the prying eys upon them. Relgious freedom is real.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

This feels like "Alice in Wonderland"

Obama's let people freeze to death in his slums and nothing happens.

People find out that he's a racist and that upsets them enough to drop him.

Why do we care so much more about thoughts and words than deeds.

What Obama did, and failed to do, in Chicago, led to suffering and death for the poorest of the poor.

Isn't causing suffering and death by failing to do your job worse than insulting someone by your words?

Posted by: svreader | March 14, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe this is what the election has come to. Are people so desparate to get Obama? Are people so foolish as to believe that Obama is an under-cover racist? Get out of here.

Any one that is willing to condemn these men, Obama or Wright, based on one sermon needs to read the bible.

Posted by: Chris Stewart | March 14, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

To Umbria:

If you are a former Obama supporter, I am Peter Pan. LOL

Posted by: Munk | March 14, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

-- This will all quite down in a few days. Ever body will forget about it. --


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Between this and the ignored Resko slums,
it is rising scrutiny not falling. 6 long
weeks to survive for the rookie, whom
impressions are all new & alterable on.

If then a big loss in PA, problems. Large
ones about readiness, credibility and
electibility.

Say hello to modern presidential politics,
Obamaites. If you thought he was going
to take on a known fighter whom has
paid her Progressive dues for 35 years,
and it would be a Cakewalk, then prep
yourself for some edification.

If Barack still wins, OK. At least we'll
have some reason to believe he will not
be roadkill against the Rovian GOP -
as Dukakis and Kerry were.

Yes, it bites. Welcome to their world.
Kumbaya, isn't a word they use...


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Posted by: RG | March 14, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

KUDOS!!!! to Posted by: maxmilagro | March 14, 2008 08:59 PM

So well said. A voice of reason instead of a BIAS collector.

Posted by: feastorafamine | March 14, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

One thing appears certain. The revelations about the Good Reverend Wright's bigoted and racist attitude will put an end to any more talk about a Clinton/Obama dream team!!


Posted by: Sandy | March 14, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Most posters seem to think all this is about the way THEY feel or think or reason.

This ain't about YOU. This is about the average American who pays attention for about 15 seconds every 15 days. And for Obama, the last 15 seconds have sucked wind.

Forget all your high minded speeches about
religious freedom & political intrigue & (yawn... Rovian plotting).
Mr. & Mrs. Average are gonna hear Rev. Wright sound very angry, very accusatory & very NOT Everyman. And they are gonna draw their own conclusions about Barack's faith. Which will not be good for Obama.

Facts is facts.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Thank God this happened now and later.

We would have lost the election.

Thank God Obama is history.

He never would have been able to win a general election after what he did in Chicago.

Posted by: svreader | March 14, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

"Do the people here even know that Bin Laden was trained and financed by the American secret service during the war in Afgan. against Russia?"
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Hopefully they don't believe this, because it is simply not true.

Your comments about the CIA (actually the OSS) supporting the Viet Minh against the French is only partially true. It was against the Vichy government controlled by the Germans that the US allied itself with the Viet Minh.

But even if this were all true, didn't the US fight against Germany in WWII with the Soviets as allies, but then later oppose the Soviets with Germany as allies. Funny how things like this happen in international politics.

Only the "Hate America First" crowd try to make it evil.


Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Can we really believe that Obama will heal the country and take us to a new post-racial century.

His principle message has been doomed and so has his candidancy

Posted by: Sally | March 14, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: | March 14, 2008 09:18 PM
True very true. However we seem to have the highest voter turnout in history. We also have this lightning fast thing called internet, and we watched BUSH do the impossible and get elected twice. The average American may be short-sighted and only get that 15 seconds. They also might forget about it the next day, the sword cuts both ways. Politicians have been elected having actually SAID worse. They have been elected after DOING worse. Then again waiting on the other side of the isle is McCAin, 8 years of percieved failed conservative policies and twice the democratic voter turnout over the Repubs. So maybe you are right, but maybe it wont matter.

Posted by: feastorafamine | March 14, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

How do you call a country with so smart, educated, brilliant, brave, and joyfull citizens as America, but yet, who still does the same mistakes,
pollutes the world like no other country,
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You probably haven't heard the concerns of Olympic athletes about the severe pollution in Beijing. The Chinese are going to shut down factories and ban automobile traffic, but only during the Olympics, to make the place safe for athletes to compete. The above post is just more "Hate America First" propaganda by the looney left.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

svreader:

I am humbled enough to say I owe you a big apology. I have excoriated you previously about Senator Obama but I am man enough to say you were right. There is simply no explaining away a 20 year relationship with a hate monger, which is what Senator Obama enjoyed with the "good" reverend.

I'd like to sue for fraud and get back the $150 I donated to Senator Obama.

Posted by: Jeff Owen | March 14, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe some people can be so stupid. Tell me something that he has done in the past either in IL senate or US senate that reflects the views of his pastor (or in his public statements).I am still going to vote for him. People do thinks what they believe is right. So if u don't like his relationship with his pastor then don't vote for him. If he still becomes the nominee and president then accept the fact that there are other things people care about in there life than this. End of story.

Posted by: Kevin | March 14, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous posted:"This is about the average American who pays attention for about 15 seconds every 15 days..."

And does anyone think for a heartbeat that Hillary! will let this be forgotten? Or explained away?

Mark my words, if the average American pays attention for 15 seconds every 15 days, Hillary! will bring it up every 16 seconds every 14 days.

Posted by: Stonhinged | March 14, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

This entire discussion board makes me sick. Comments like the ones posted above are the ones that fill me with deep sadness and loss for the heart of our country. Has it really come to this? Bickering, hatred, judgement? I encourage everyone to take a step back from their deeply rooted beliefs... erase all predispositions. Do research and stop watching FOX, MSNBC and the like. Mainstream media is controlled either by Clear Channel or Viacom. The media reports what they are told to report.
Read autobiographies of the cadidates. Research their work, what they have done for their communities. Look to alternative sources that are not fueled by one-sided opinions. Each one of them has skeletons, probably more than we even know about. Republican or Democrat. Every family has skeletons, every individual in this world has skeletons. Look into the raw facts of the cadidates... Hillary was a children's advocate while her husband served his time. Barack worked in the streets of Harlem to make a better community for his fellow brothers and sisters. John has tried to make ammends for the scandals he was involved in during the 80's. What have the cadidates done to make their communities a better place to live?

Are we as a nation so caught up in fear that we can act so irrational? We as a nation can rise to the occasion and stop our bickering, stop focusing on negativity, and focus on what really matters... how we are going to rebuild or torn and tattered nation into one that has compassion for every being, the lost and the found? Embrace our fellow neighbors despite our differences and change the views of the so called "racists" by proving that there are no bounds and that raciscm has ceased to exist. We need to band together as a unified country, one that embraces all those that occupy it.

For the sake of the world and our beloved country...

Posted by: Rachel- Seattle | March 14, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Why do Barrack not like white people? I caint believe this? I have a lot of kinfolk in PA who I am telling not to vote for a racist like that! I think Barrack is just big lie. I will vote for Mcain.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

I've been one of Obama's biggest supporters, but I can't do it anymore after this. Obama is just a racist who played us all. I'm voting for Hillary.

Posted by: AverageJane | March 14, 2008 07:25 PM

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Yes you have AverageJane. Boy, I can vouch for it. I have tangled with you quite a few times on many different forums. You have always been a very tough supporter of Obama.

Posted by: aamittal | March 14, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Hillary was a children's advocate while her husband served his time. Barack worked in the streets of Harlem to make a better community for his fellow brothers and sisters. John has tried to make ammends for the scandals he was involved in during the 80's. What have the cadidates done to make their communities a better place to live?
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Yes, let's all be as fair as the above remarks. Hillary helped children and Obama fought poverty, while McCain tried to make amends for his "scandals". Couldn't even give McCain the benefit of saying "made amends"; only "tried to make amends". Very fair analysis. Not biased at all like the News media. Ha! Ha!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Why do Barrack not like white people? I caint believe this? I have a lot of kinfolk in PA who I am telling not to vote for a racist like that! I think Barrack is just big lie. I will vote for Mcain.

And why do they touch little kids like that in that church??? That's not right. Did Barrack do that too? I sure hope not. I'm just very mad.

Posted by: MadinPA | March 14, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Rachel,

Rachel Rachel...are you like 17? I was when I asked questions like, "how we are going to rebuild or torn and tattered nation into one that has compassion for every being, the lost and the found?". This is NOT what most voters are considering when they vote. Most voters think about themselves, their families, their well being. How well my neighbor is doing is NOT a consideration.

If you want to rebuild a tattered nation,
walk out your front door and roll up your sleeves. And do not think the ballot box is your friend.

Just some well meaning advice...

Posted by: Stonhinged | March 14, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

"This is not an opportunity to talk about difficult matters privately or in a closed environment. This is a circus. It's a national disgrace. And from my standpoint, as a black American, it is a high-tech lynching for uppity blacks who in any way deign [sic] to think for themselves, to do for themselves, to have different ideas, and it is a message that unless you kowtow to an old order, this is what will happen to you. You will be lynched, destroyed, caricatured by a [the media] rather than hung from a tree." Clarence Thomas 1991

Prophetic indeed. Now I know the GOP is scared to run against him.

God is blessing his flow...he will not be denied.

Posted by: Tam | March 14, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

I don't talk much...I am not political...I have never wanted to vote as much before as I have in this election...I guess I have had a wait and see attitude, you know what I mean?... whenever I saw Mr. Obama on the news or tv I would say...something is not right...I don't know what it is...I would watch and listen...sometimes he would look as if he ran out of gas...sort of like a puppet...and his lips would turn blue and he would lower his lids...but I too, thought about his message of change, and change is always good...I thought there is something wrong with his mouth...something wrong...I am heartbroken for the many people who trusted him...

I was thinking about Mr. McCain...he has suffered and he knows us...whatever race religion we are...suffering makes one humble and strong...look at the person not the party...

Posted by: paloma | March 14, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Obama has been leading a double life...just like Spitzer was.

Posted by: MadinPA | March 14, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse


"Now I know the GOP is scared to run against him."

Scared to run against a candidate whose pastor rages "God Damn America" from the pulpit? Scared to run against a man whose pastor preaches that AIDS is a White plot to eradicate the Black population?

Please, explain to us WHY in the world you think this scares the GOP? I am willing to grasp at straws at this point...

Posted by: Stonhinged | March 14, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if I am entitled to a refund by the Obama campaign for the $125 in donations I made. ...
Posted by: Jeff Owen | March 14, 2008 08:53 PM
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svreader:
I am humbled enough to say I owe you a big apology. ...I'd like to sue for fraud and get back the $150 I donated to Senator Obama.
Posted by: Jeff Owen | March 14, 2008 09:30 PM
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Sounds like someone else who can't get his story straight. It's the svreader effect!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Democrats Seek Condemnation of Bob Jones University
By Bob Melvin
CNS Evening Editor
29 February, 2000

(CNSNews.com) - Democrats pushed for a resolution on Tuesday to condemn Bob Jones University, the Christian school in South Carolina that has been at the core of an uproar involving GOP presidential candidate George W Bush.

The resolution, introduced in both the House and the Senate, is likely to cause a partisan fight with Republicans, most of whom are backing the Texas governor.

Wire services report that Bush has been under fire since he appeared at the school while campaigning for the South Carolina primary earlier this month.

"I think it's important for the Congress of the United States to have the last word," said Senator Robert Torricelli (D-NJ).
Added Senator Harry Reid (D-NV), "George W Bush's stop at Bob Jones University has turned over a rock under which has lived all sorts of bigoted practices."

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=%5CPolitics%5Carchive%5C200002%5CPOL20000229h.html

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Or is that svliar posting under a pseudonym? That WOULD explain not being able to keep his story straight ...

Posted by: gbooks | March 14, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Quotedrom Firedoglake.com
It goes without saying that the crowd which for the past 30 years has embraced a bunch of theocratic, flatearther, homophobic, snake-handling, anti-Catholic, anti-woman, anti-science, anti-everyone-but-white-American-evangelicals--- and whose nominee currently seeks their approval and endorsement --- has absolutely no moral standing whatseover to object to anyone else's inflammatory religious rhetoric. Ever. Period.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

"It goes without saying that the crowd which for the past 30 years has embraced a bunch of theocratic,blah, blah, blah..."
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Would that be the same group that has elected three of the last four Presidents?

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Obama tells us he looks to pastor Wright for spriritual guidance and that he does not share his political opinions. This is hard to swallow since Obama has been attending Wright's church for twenty years. By doing so, was he not encouraging the pastor ? Should he not have shown better judgement and leadership and rebuked this pastor earlier on ? Stange. Very stange indeed.

Posted by: Paulus | March 14, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Obama has been leading a double life...just like Spitzer was.

Posted by: MadinPA | March 14, 2008 09:56 PM
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Watch it MadinPA, don't insult Spitzer now. He wasn't sleeping/cheating with someone who was damning America ;-)

Posted by: Whoa | March 14, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Obama has been leading a double life...just like Spitzer was.

Posted by: MadinPA | March 14, 2008 09:56 PM
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Watch it MadinPA, don't insult Spitzer now. He wasn't sleeping/cheating with someone who was damning America ;-)

Posted by: Whoa | March 14, 2008 10:35 PM

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Ypu're right...Obama worsr than Spitzer. I tell all my relatives in PA not to vote for this bad man.

Posted by: MadinPA | March 14, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Its funny to see people telling that "Barack hate white people". His mother is white for godsake.

Posted by: Kevin | March 14, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

After reading Senator Obama's courageous statement separating himself from his long time spiritual leader, I feel nothing but compassion annd admiration for the man and his family. I now understand what so many people see in Senator Obama. He is a man with a vision for our country and a plan to unify our people. I'll clearly re-think my support for Hillary Clinton. Obama may be what we need for the future.

Posted by: Hillary Man | March 14, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

We are not responsible for the actions of others, Leaders are there to show us the way, do we always agree with their guidance NO! The general population always says mother's knows best, so if that is the truth why aren't there more mothers ruling the world REALLY!!

Barack Obama is not responsible for the words or actions of his pastor, why to we send children to jail who kill others because they were molested by their elders, pastors or strangers??

Why do we chastise men or women for sexual misconduct, afterall its a behavior from their leaders, they should not be held accountable.

Should a mother go to jail because her son committs murder??

We cannot control the mouths or actions of others, we must be honest with ourselves when the truth slaps us in our faces, look in the mirror see it for what it is and what we as individuals can do to heal the part of the nation that is so deeply wounded by pass agressions and the unwillingness of those to understand their plight,but stand firm in accusing them of a wrong.

Obama is his own man, with his own beliefs, guided by truth and a determination for goodwill and prosperity to all, education and fulfilment of life for those desirous of it, achievement of greatness not measured by others, but an unhindered path created by oneself.

Change we can believe in.

Posted by: Eunece | March 14, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Wait!!!.....Obama is black??

Posted by: Brando | March 14, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

So we have the knuckle-draggers fanatically jumping into the bandwagon of "guilty by association." It's just sad and funny to watch these knuckle-draggers connect the dots. Ignorance fuels the fear that freezes them in their tracks. Ignorance fuels the hate that consumes them from within. Basically, self-inflicted ignorance keeps them in the dark. That's too bad because self-inflicted ignorance is never bliss. A mind is a terrible thing to waste regardless of ethnicity, gender or age.

How pathetic . . . how moronic . . . for the so-called "informed" citizens to foam at the mouth and judge someone based on cherry-picked sound bytes. What Jeremiah Wright said is harsh, but what he said isn't new. What Jeremiah Wright said brings another perspective of history in the midst of "white-washed" perspectives. What Jeremiah Wright said is prophetic at the expense of popularity.

Can we challenge the knuckle-draggers to discern whether Jesus really had blond hair and blue eyes, considering that Jesus was a Jew from Israel rather than Scandinavia? Can we challenge the knuckle-draggers to Google "blowback" and see how they can enlighten themselves with the reality of foreign policies. Can we further challenge the knuckle-draggers to earnestly walk in the shoes of black Americans for a day? Let's gather the facts objectively because there should be at least two sides to a story.

Racism is a harsh reality in this country. The same holds true for classism and sexism. But some knuckle-draggers, in the name of patriotism, have continued to fail in acknowledging this country's shortcomings. It's ironic how these knuckle-draggers defend the very institution that also keeps them oppressed and exploited.

Sure, we can sing "God Bless America" proudly. After we sing that song, then what else do we need to do? I like to ask the knuckle-draggers to define what "American" should mean beyond the context of patriotism and war. What has America done to help the returning soldiers who are mentally and physically maimed? What has America done to equip our troops with the right equipment and the right strategies? What has America done to help the poor and the homeless? What has America done to adequately educate the under-educated? What has America done to care for its sick who can't afford healthcare? What has America done to help its own people in the land of plenty?

Posted by: YahMon123 | March 14, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Its funny to see people telling that "Barack hate white people". His mother is white for godsake.

Posted by: Kevin | March 14, 2008 10:44 PM

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Yeah...just like that Edipuss guy...he must hate his Momma somewhere deep down inside to hate all white people like he do.

Posted by: MadinPA | March 14, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

The irony is that Dems USED to crusade against guilt by association. Now they campaign on it.

Posted by: gbooksdc | March 14, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

My family will be working tomorrow and through the week registering voters for Obama in Pennsylvania. Everyone needs to do what they can to insure an Obama victory.

Posted by: Penn voter | March 14, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

This is very disturbing. This is the guy that convinced Barack (Hussein) Obama to leave off Islam and become Christian? Wow!!

Posted by: afraid to state | March 14, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Old uncle? Sorry, that's crap. You can't choose your relatives, but Obama chose to associate himself -- for 20 years! -- with this hater. And I don't buy for ONE SECOND that he didn't know before what hate Wright regularly spews. You cannot be that close to a person -- getting married by him, having your children baptized by him -- and not know his views. What a hypocrite Obama is, with his rhetoric and speeches. You sleep with dogs, you get up with fleas.

Posted by: Washington Dame | March 14, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

I looked at that YouTube video. Since when did the Post start featuring links to individuals spewing hate on a candidate? Is this what the Post's standards have dropped to?

Posted by: gbooksdc | March 14, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

This guy was a big elephant in the room that finally got noticed. He was known to the media for a while but for some reason he wasn't paid much attention to, that is until now. Obama simply cannot afford to have true racial devisivness be part of his campaign. Wright embodies that and is very tied to Obama's past and present. This will very likely alienate the white moderate voters who will have to look to something they feel better about. It's still up in the air but this albatross on his neck won't go away anytime soon imo.

Posted by: rdk | March 14, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

I haven't read anything here that convinces me that I shouldn't vote for Obama on April 22. By reading the hate in the anti-Obama posts, I know I'm correct in my position. Go Obama!!!!

Posted by: Eagle Fan | March 14, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Obama isn't a class act. He's a man who chose to attend this judge. Hillary Clinton hasn't worshipped at the church of Geraldine Ferraro for 20 years. There is a big difference between supporters and close, personal spiritual advisors. And this rhetoric is beyond inflammatory. It is hated filled and horrible. He won't win against McCain, mr. war hero now. Obama and his wife are now seen as racist and un-american and it's their fault for attending this church for so long and praising this man.

Posted by: deminFLA | March 14, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Republicans have had religious leaders who are gay haters, blame the war on gays and call it Gods punishment. Yet, for some reason Obama's Minister is the Devil. Hmmmmm.... interesting.

Very interesting..


Vance

Posted by: Vance MCDaniel | March 14, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

anti jew, anti white? that's a no no
anti muslim, anti black? thass awright!

Posted by: think about it... | March 14, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Does this "svreader" have a major problem or is the person just someone who is alone with a computer and has no friends. Seems to be a sad case. Probably a McCain supporter.

Posted by: Truth | March 14, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Go Obama, America Loves You, No matter what Faux News might have you believe!

Posted by: American Patriot | March 14, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know who HUMA ABEDIN is and what she does in the Clinton campaign?

Posted by: Huma Huma | March 14, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

There is really nothing he can say. What did he do. Sleep through the sermons for 20 years. This kind of explanation will give the late-night comics a lot of materials.

Posted by: DavidE | March 14, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Why do Barrack hate Jews AND White People? He will not win now...too bad. I used to like him but I can't see a Muslim for President of USA. At least McCain a war hero...

Posted by: MadinPA | March 14, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Any remaining Obama Supporters --

Please watch the video.

Obama's not the kind of guy you think he is.

This isn't about Clinton vs. Obama.

Its about a guy who's so self-absorbed and incompetent that people died.

Barry Obama is bad news.

He doesn't care about anyone but himself.

He doesn't deserve your support, or anyone else's for that matter.

The real Obama really is really bad news.

Posted by: svreader | March 14, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

When I watched Anderson Cooper 360 tonight on CNN I see the face of hate and animosity towards Barack Obama. Anderson's eyes, his lips, his jaw, his facial expression, his body language conveyed that image of a man full of hate. The eyes are the windows to the soul. That's the picture I got when I looked at Anderson tonight. Why is Anderson Cooper displaying so much hatred and prejudice against Barack Obama? This is not the picture of objectivity that we need from our journalists. Senator Clinton was never put in such a position. The malice of the press towards Obama is incredibly shocking. That Anderson Cooper would pick a fight with Barack Obama is something that I do not understand. Anderson seems to have a big chip on his shoulder. The things that Rev. Wright said may be a bit too hard to swallow for some but there is a sizable number of people who had gone through the era of hardship in the 50s and before who could relate very well to the sufferings and oppressions that people of color had to endure in America. Those feelings of hurt of disenfranchisement are hard to erase and would take a life-time to undo.

Posted by: Matt | March 14, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

I posted this in a NTY article, but it bears repeating here in the Post. Today, I emailed every senator and representative that I know of who supports Obama and demanded that they renounce their support of him immediately. If we all act quickly, we might be able to force Obama's resignation now, before it does any more damage to the Democratic party. He has to go away NOW if we are to have any chance of beating McCain in Nov. Pleae, I urge you all to get on board with this, start emailing now--and begin with Kennedy and Kerry, two devout "Catholics" who should be absolutely appauled by Wright's comments.

Posted by: thinkwithyourbrain | March 14, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Seems like journalists and mainly these on right wing found their piece of bite and excitement. Well all these so called exciting news are just stupid church talks about nothing because as I remember we can speak freely whatever we want to. All this so called affair finished for me with Senator Obamas statement where he distanced himself from Reverend. I am sure people with brain can see it very the same way. These who has empty head become victim of newspaper campaign.
So called Tele-Evangelists are the worst piece of crap around and is somebody talking about them? No because they are not interesting at least not yet. It comes during general election time I believe.
I understand it is 6 long weeks till next primaries so everyone is trying to dig out so dirt to smear other and kick him down. I fear that media are playing big role in this mad slinging because time for real investigative reports is long time over and they are trying to look important and exciting whatever it costs and so they dig as much dirt as possible. Nobody stays out of it. Some unity? Forget it. Media need something to write about so everybody hurry to repeat again and again until their readers actually will believe that Obama is in reality bad guy to be part of some church.Religion again playing negative role as usually. Wouldn't we better without churches and pastors?

Posted by: J | March 14, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama is a great lier and the worst hipocrate. He lied not to hear this racist and inciting sermons for 21 years.He pretends to be uniter or a positive person but has a deep angier on himself, on other person and if elected will destroy this country through negativity.
You see it how Michelle not being proud of America until Barack is winning.
For sure Barack is influenced by the teaching of this Rev. Wright, after attending the church for 21 years.
Please God help us elect the most qualified and the best candidate to solve our economic,security,environment etc. problems our country face in this most challenging time.
Vote for Hillary.

Posted by: AE | March 14, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

WELL, NOW WE FINALLY KNOW WHY BARACK OMBAMA'S WIFE SAID WHAT SHE SAID AND BARACK OMBAMA DID'NT DENOUNCE OR REJECT IT. IT CAN'T BE CLEARER. MICHELLE AS BARACK HAS SAID SHE IS MY ROCK. MICHELLE CLEARLY STATED THAT FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HER ADULT LIFE SHE IS PROUND OF AMERICA, YES BARACK AND MICHELLE BOTH NOT ONLY KNEW OF THERE PASTOR'S STATEMENT, THEY SHARE THE SAME BELIEFS AS THEIR PASTOR/UNCLE DID. WELL REMEMBER WHEN BARACK OMBAMA SAID, SOME HOW MRS. CLINTON THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE BAM BOOZELD AND/OR HOOD WINKED, DAMN HILLARY CLINTON WAS RIGHT. WE ALL WERE. I'M AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND WAS A STRONG OMBAMA SUPPORTER, NOT ANY MORE. THIS WAS THE LAST STRAW FOR ME. I'VE ALREADY SIPPED OUT OF THE OTHER STRAWS AND IGNORED THE PREVIOUS ISSUES REGARDING OMBAMA. ALL OF AMERICA, WE CAN REALLY UNITE FIND A CANDIDATE WHO WE CAN REALLY SUPPORT AND PUT OUR VOTE BEHIND HILLARY CLINTON, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY WE MUST NOT LET THE REPUBLICANS TAKE THE WHITE HOUSE AGAIN. TO HELP ALL OF THE OTHER BARACK OMBAMA USED TO BE SUPPORTERS, JOIN ME FOR THE OFFICIAL 12 STEP PROGRAM FROM OMBAMA. STEP 1, TELL GOD I'VE MADE A BIG MISTAKE. 2. TELL BARACK OMBAMA AND HIS CAMPAIGN SHAME ON YOU FOR NOT TELLING US THIS WAS OUT THERE. STEP 3, RECOMMIT YOUR SUPPORT/VOTE TO HILLARY CLINTON. STEP 4, FIND OTHERS TO JOIN YOU IN YOUR SUPPORT GROUP. CHECK BACK ON THIS SITE FOR THE NEXT 8 STEPS. CAN WE DO THIS, YES WE CAN!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: maria williams | March 14, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

I am shocked by the racist comments I read tonight which are attributed to Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

I haven't seen stuff like that since, well since I read Bill Clinton's comments during the South Carolina primary. Of course, old Bill's words might not be quite on the same level as Jeremiah's, but they at least qualify Bill to be a good old drinking or golfing buddy of Jeremiah. The two have a lot in common.

Posted by: Seen It Before | March 14, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Hey Maria, I hate to tell you but the Hillary ship left some time ago. It sunk. Its over.

Posted by: Get Real | March 14, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm ASTONISHED by the reaction of the press to this. Did ANYONE pay attention to the issues Katrina raised? Is anyone REALLY surprised that a black man of that age is ANGRY at the POWERS THAT BE for RACISM that was not ONLY the NORM during his lifetime, but it was the LAW??

I'm a 43 year old white man, who went to private schools and can't possibly understand what it feels like to be a member of an OPPRESSED minority. BUT, I sure as HE11 can understand why someone who IS, might not be happy about the way in which his country has behaved towards people that look like him.

Posted by: jameswhanger | March 15, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

The problems of the world are often due to religions; they mix spirituality and politics. This is true with all brands of christianism, judaism and islamism. Preachers, rabins and imams should stick to spirituality. If this can be done, there will be peace on earth.

Posted by: Logan | March 15, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

As a White person I actually agree with almost everything Rev. Wright says. Except the part about HIV and Pearl Harbor. So does that make me a racist? A bigot? I love the passion in some of the Black churches.

It's a shame Whites don't try to understand that not all people living in America grew up charmed. If you are a minority you grew up on the defensive. It's only the past few years that it has begun to change.

Posted by: Terry Hussein | March 15, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

It is unbelievable that he who would seek the Presidency would align himself with a hate-filled, anti-American, black racist using the pulpit of a church for the spewing of profanity and filth. And to do so for two decades. Wright is no more a Christian minister than my dog is; he is a soul-mate of Fred Phelps. B. Hussein is unfit to be Commander-in-Chief since he obviously subscribes to Wright's obscene message. Hearing Wright's rants also explains Michelle Obama's comments. And where is the IRS? This organization is a political hate group and should not be granted tax exempt status.

Posted by: KATZ66 | March 15, 2008 12:14 AM | Report abuse

For the first time in my adult life I am ashamed to be an American. Ashamed of the stupid ignorant dribble that passes as opinion. But I love the 1st amendment it lets me know who my enemies are.

Obama handles them all with humor and grace. He will be the brightest president in the White House we have had in a long, long time. And all of the dimmest light bulbs in the bathroom will be left speechless.

Posted by: Hussein Fan | March 15, 2008 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Allow me to address an ancillary issue I haven't seen addressed yet in the blogs I've read so far - the issue of what REALLY frightens white, and likely brown, yellow and red America as it relates to BHO and some in the African-American community upon this latest revelation. It's not so much the crazy, illogical and irrational Reverend Wright that scares the living hell out of non African-American voters (every race can claim its own crackpots, racists, and bigots). What frightens the rest of America is the reaction to him of the black parishioners in that church, one of whom is admittedly Mr. Obama - albeit blissfully ignorant of, and conveniently absent, when all of this hatred was being spewed.

It is a truly sad and nauseating spectacle to see hundreds of our African-American brothers and sisters cheering, singing the praises of Wright's perverted message and encouraging the lunatic at the pulpit. We see angry and passionate looking men leaning into camera view to vigorously and aggressively pat the reverend on the back and women and children cheering on the racism and hatred all in the name of God, some of it in furtherance of the presidential aspirations of Mr. Obama.

Most of white America is completely befuddled by this. While we all accept that blacks have had a tougher time climbing the ladder of success than whites, we can not understand why, after all the gains in civil rights and increasing equality over the years - including what would have been (past tense intended) a likely African-American presidential candidate for the first time in our history - the resentment and hatred of white America continues to run so very deep.

These video tapes of Reverend Wright's flock remind white America of another time we felt so depressed and sickened at the state of race relations in this country, immediately following the verdict in the OJ Simpson criminal trial. We quickly learned of the juror who flashed a "black power" fist pump at OJ as the nearly all black jury left the jury box after the mind blowing not guilty verdict in a case that, 15 years later, nearly all African-Americans will admit was a "payback verdict." The evidence was overwhelming that OJ murdered his white wife and her white friend however white America watched in open-mouthed horror as hundreds of thousands of African-Americans across the country took to the streets and cheered for OJ and his apparent "getting away with murder." It's scary stuff folks, and considering that African-Americans only represent around 15% of the population, it will guarantee that Obama will be relegated to fringe candidate status from this point forward. The Republicans will get their wish - Hillary! It's over, Barack, it's so over. Senator McCain thanks you for your selection of friends of mentors.

Posted by: Al | March 15, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

What does Hillary have to say about black anger at this country?? I'm curious. Does she recognize it's existence?? Does she acknowledge the realities of why it is still a strong current within certain segments of the black community? Do the republicans recognize this? Are WE as a nation going to put our HEADS back in the SAND now that Katrina is no longer on the news channels 24/7??

Posted by: jameswhanger | March 15, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

I am a white man, and I think that a lot of the reaction to Obama's preacher is based on upbringing. Those kind of sermons are very common in a black church. And white churches tend to be more conservative. Who would really argue that racism hasn't existed in this country? Only 37 black politicians have been in office since this country was founded. Barack Obama is the only black senator at the present moment. And who knows, maybe we should really investigate the issue about what it means to be American. Why do so many people hate Americans? And why do some Americans hate people for the color of their skin or because their pastor comes from a different cultural background? Why do we have a country that stands for freedom and tolerance but accuses Barack Obama of being Muslim (even though he's not) as though that were a crime? Have we made the world safer by being patriotic when we supported Bush, Hillary, and McCain in the Iraq War they created? Remember, Hillary supporters, she authorized the war. Bush couldn't even wage war without her vote and McCain's vote. And Iraq is still a mess after all our tax money going down the drain.

Posted by: person | March 15, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

It's amazing that us whites (yes, i'm white and a christian, ohh and republican) live in a bubble thinking that black people have the same privileged life as us. That racism doesn't exist in this great nation. It does exist. We just don't want to accept it. Other than the black jesus thing, he didn't really say anything that i find to be untrue. Hillary can get a cab, we did commit horrible atrocities toward the black community, we did bring 911 upon ourselves with our conduct in th middle east, blah blah blah. It exists....we need to just realize this.

Posted by: brandon | March 15, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

A bad thing about america are all the inequalities and injustices that still exist to this day. The black population who is filling the jails knows something about this. It's normal to be angry about this reality.

A good thing about america are some of its leaders who are trying to improve the relations between groups and the fate of the oppressed.

Obama seems to be one of these leaders. He is certainly the best opportunity among the 3 candidates.

Posted by: Logan | March 15, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

You expect a black candidate to distance himself from EVERY black person who is ANGRY at this country for racism that was not only the norm during their lifetime, but was the law?

Posted by: jameswhanger | March 15, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

That's the thing about the internet

You don't know who these people are that are posting these ridicuous comments

But assume they are either Clinton or Republican supporters

In any case, this is the sure way to 8 more years of George Bush, no help with health care, and more war in the mideast

You all fall for this all the time--you are just stuck on stupid, stupid, stupid

Posted by: macktan | March 15, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

-- I haven't seen stuff like that since, well since I read Bill Clinton's comments during the South Carolina primary. Of course, old Bill's words might not be quite on the same level as Jeremiah's, but -
The two have a lot in common.
Posted by: Seen It Before --


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What a joke. Clinton, an advocate for
his wife's presidential bid, answered
a reporters question with a historical
fact about SC, that he saw as something
consoling to Hillary supporters who
he knew were about to witness her lose
that state big. He has been on the
front lines of civil rights progress,
for 35 years.


NOW try to compare it, to church rantings
of Wright. Bozo...


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Posted by: RG | March 15, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

Just politics as usual in the USA... The world will go on with or without Obama's slippery silver tongue. Like other trendy "change" candidates before him (e.g. Gary Hart, Ralph Nader, George McGovern, etc.), Obama will be but a fading memory within a few months and will live on only in the occasional comedy skit on SNL or Leno. By then the naive privelaged latte liberals and college kids that were "bamboozled and hoodwinked" by the pretender will laugh along with the rest of us in public at the whole ordeal denying that they ever supported him. The blacks of course will remain loyal to their guy... I'm off to bed. Its Saturday tomorrow and I'm looking forward to some sun and fun with my family. Later.

Posted by: Politics as usual | March 15, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Boy, I am just amazed that so many of you are totally missing the point. Thankfully Hagee was FINALLY mentioned and thankfully it was mentioned that some things that Rev. Wright said hold some validity.

Why don't you open your eyes to what the U.S. is really doing around the world?

I love my country, but many things this gov't does DISGUST, ANGER, and SADDEN me to no end.

We need someone to bring change to Washington. I only wish it was Kucinich. I'm on board with Obama now because I believe he's the only one that can bring that change.

As a woman, I have waited my entire life to vote for a woman for president. Now that I have that chance, I am completely upset that I cannot vote for her. What a blow!

Guys, get over Rev. Wright. Check out Hagee!!! Have you heard what this guy espouses? Shivers run up and down my spine!!

Let's hope someone can save this place we call home and reverse the hatred that is turned toward us from all over the world. I know. I've been out there and they either think we're one big joke, or they hate us.

Posted by: Whirled Peas | March 15, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

What does Hillary have to say about black anger at this country?? I'm curious. Does she recognize it's existence?? Does she acknowledge the realities of why it is still a strong current within certain segments of the black community? Do the republicans recognize this? Are WE as a nation going to put our HEADS back in the SAND now that Katrina is no longer on the news channels 24/7??

Posted by: JJ | March 15, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

Hussein Obama, you finally show your true color. Your heart and blood is as dark as your skin color. God created you people for a purpose.

Posted by: Edward | March 15, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

The comments in this thread are just amazing. Open racism. The comment that blacks shoot cabbies and should get off their butts and get a job is nauseating.

When did the IQ of WP readers drop so low? When did so many Clinton supports become so morally dispicable?

The bottom line, for me, is that I don't give a damn what the good reverend believes. I'm not voting for Pastor Wright, I'm voting for Barack Obama. All I care about is what he believes - and it's obviously he's not a terrorist-excuser or a racist. At least to anyone with a brain. All you have to do is know his biography.

More distracting, vicious crap to distract from the real issue - unifying the nation and reversing the dreadful direction of the last eight years. Something I believe Barack Obama is uniquely qualified to do.

As for those of you who posted imbecilic racist comments here - at least get a life if you can't get a brain.

Posted by: Alan A | March 15, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

-- But assume they are either Clinton or Republican supporters Posted by: macktan --


Right. Whom doctored these tapes probably...

;-)


Wright is at fault for his divisiveness,
Obama is at fault for patronizing it
20 years, and declaring the clown his
mentor. Those items happened.

You can't recast that, no matter how
much backspin. Most people are immediately
picking up on the hypocrisy from an
Inclusion/Healer candidate, and finding
Obama's claim that he only found out about
it last year, not plausible.

Since you don''t see the credibility
problem - that he could easily lose to
McSame over - try this;

Obama lies to reporter on NAFTAgate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvCEFmKAoB4


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Posted by: RG | March 15, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

RG: You claim Bill Clinton has been on the front lines of Civil Rights progress for 35 years. Are those the same 35 years Hillary claims as her experience? Somebody isn't telling the truth. Oh well, after all it is the Clintons. What's a couple more falsehoods here and there.

Posted by: Seen It Before | March 15, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Please do not blame Obama for what Rev. Wright said. Jerry Falwell, Rev. Robertson and many others have said worst. As a Catholic, I am not proud of Child molestation that got covered for a long long time by a few bad apples. Some of my fellow Catholics even considered not supporting the Catholic Church financially because they don't want their money to be used for law-suit settlement. Like Obama, I feel closer to God and Jesus Christ at my Catholic Church and will continue to attend.

Posted by: Peter in Dallas | March 15, 2008 12:59 AM | Report abuse

The people who honestly think you can go to a church for TWENTY years without embracing the pastor's world view OBVIOUSLY are people who do not regularly attend church!

I've only been going to my church for 8 years, but I know that I keep going because I like what I'm HEARING.

My pastor is doing a good job of leading me and helping to "feed my soul."

Wake up America!! Jerimiah Wright is feeding Barack Obama's soul. Obama is getting a steady diet of race pride and race hatred, with a little bit of Jesus sprinkled in there.

I'm Black, I visited Rev. Wright's church , and I did not like it!!! Too much racial politics - - not enough Jesus!

Don't get me wrong: he has a right to preach what he wants - -, but in light of WHAT HE IS PREACHING - - I honestly can't imagine that Rev. Wright's protege, Baraak Obama, could be someone who can unify this country.

I'm just sayin' . . ..

Posted by: Wake up People! | March 15, 2008 12:59 AM | Report abuse

-- Are those the same 35 years Hillary claims as her experience? Posted by: Seen It Before --

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Yes. They both lived and worked through
the same years...

...but, but - Clintons LIE! Whhaaaaa!!


Read and learn;

http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/01/21/bill-clinton-reminds-blacks-of-civil-rights-credentials/

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761564341/article.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Rodham_Clinton


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Posted by: RG | March 15, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse

Oh please...I am so sick of CNN the Clinton News Network...it is so obvious they are trying to get Obama out and Hillay in. Hillary is a liar..she did NOT have anything to do with S Chip...or Ireland...the lawmakers in Washington are getting upset because she is bold faced lying to the American people about her supposed accomplishments. And as far as this Rev. Wright..I think everyone of you know Obama thru his years in public life has NEVER displayed that type of believe. I only hope if the media or Hillary's camp has ruined his chances at the nomination...that every white voter as well as black DOES NOT vote for Hillary. This woman does not belong in office. I knew in time she would do whatever it took to steal this election. But laugh is on you Hillary fans...she will never get elected before the Obama fans and black fans will not vote for her. And you Hillary fans call Obama a liar...hahahahh what a joke. All you newspapers and tv media sicken me. But then American has small minds and fall right into your traps and you know it.

Posted by: Linda | March 15, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Obama's buddies Louis Farrakhan and Reverend Wright make Hillary's very worst supporters look SAINTLY. Just words Barack? it's not just words when they are Reverend King's words, but when it's just silly "old Uncle Rev Wright" now that's a different story right? those are just some words. I think this should put a pretty permanent dent in any credibility Obama had left. Between Rezko, Farrakhan, Rev Wright and that other hater of America Michelle Obama, I think it's becoming very clear Obama has made some very poor decisions in his life. So much for making the right choices on day one huh Obama?

Hillary is the One, always was and always will be, it's not too late America.

Posted by: Hillary08 | March 15, 2008 1:30 AM | Report abuse

I have one more thing to say:

I've been black for a long time, and I've been to many black churches. One of the bloggers ("Person") said that it's not unusual for black churches to have the kind of stuff preached that Rev. Wright preaches. (That's a paraphrase of what they blogged, not a quote.)

I'm sorry, but in 50 years, I've never heard a single black Christian preacher say "God damn America."

Were you thinking of mosques? You might hear it there. I'm serious.

In fact, Black Christian ministers tend NOT to talk that way. They may want America to stop being racist, but they do not ask for the God who has been so good to them to DAMN America. That's a load of racist crap!

Did Martin Luther King talk like that? No. Did Malcolm X? Maybe. See the difference?

Posted by: Wake up People | March 15, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

I can not vote for Barack...but I wish I could... I am not American and I write these lines from outside your country: a country that I know very well to have lived there few years. And I can tell you that there is a lot of interest for your campaign for the presidency outside the U.S. From what I know, most people in Canada and Europe are very enthousiatic for both democratic candidates, as well as the republican candidate who is a moderate among his peers. However, Obama seems to be the favorite by far because of his stance against the war in Irak and for the need of more diplomaty; the relationships between nations have dramatically deteriorated under the Bush administration and there are great tensions with the Middle East, the Pakistan area, North Korea, etc.. In this era of weapons of mass destruction and assymetric wars by terrorists, more cooperation is needed between nations and this can be done by diplomaty. Because of this, Obama seems to be by far the best hope for the relations between nations.

As for your internal politics, I must say that the racist history of the U.S. has bothered me a long time. However, I came to realize that racism exists everywhere where there are different races. I also came to realize that you have a long history of heros figthing racism: I think in particular to Lincoln, Luther King and the Kennedy brothers. But there are many more who have felt in Mississippi and elsewhere.

Obama seems to me to be the biggest opportunity you have to improve the relations within your country between the different groups (democrats vs republicans, blacks vs whites vs latinos vs asians vs native americans, youngs vs olds, men vs women, christians vs jews vs islamists, etc.), as well as the relations with other nations. If I was given only one opportunity to vote for anything since the last 25 years, I would probably cast my vote for Obama... Because we live on the same planet... And this planet has become very fragile.

And by the way, my racial profil is white. But like you, my ancesters come from Africa (this is true if you believe in evolution).

Posted by: Logan | March 15, 2008 1:39 AM | Report abuse

What is troublesome is that Pastor Wright was not only Obama's pastor, but also his advisor!!! He has given credit to Pastor Wright for much that he believes in, his philosophy and has even credited him for the title of his book. So what exactly does Obama believe in, what is the change and unity he promises when his pastor preaches bigotry, hate and separation? I can not support Obama anymore. I just can't. I am white and I will not be shamed for my skin color. I am nobody's enemy.

Posted by: Mary | March 15, 2008 1:55 AM | Report abuse

I don't know about anybody else but if I went to church and my pastor did a sermon that damned America, I would never return to that church. He compared Obama to Jesus, what kind of blasphemy is that.

Under no circumstances, can I vote for a man who tolerates hate at this level. All the denouncements in the world can't change the fact that Obama sought this kind of hate filled spiritual leadership. This is why Michelle Obama said that this was the first time that she had been proud of her country because she obviously has been filled with this hate from her church.

Posted by: Speedy | March 15, 2008 2:18 AM | Report abuse

By the way, Obama talks about his judgement being his qualification to be president. Deciding to sit in a congregation for 20 years with a pastor preaching this type of racial hate is absolute poor judgement. This unequivocally disqualifies Obama for the Presidency because we can't have this type of racial hate in our country and he has supported it for 20+ years.

Posted by: Speedy | March 15, 2008 2:22 AM | Report abuse

We are learning from the Obama candidacy that many in the African Community are disillusioned with America. Democrat strategist Bob Beckel was interviewed on Fox last night and he said he attends black churches about once per month, and that about one-third of them preach the same dogma that Obama's church does.

I think the black community is wasting its time waiting for America to help it. The better approach would be to help itself. Self reliance has always been and will always be a surer way to advance oneself than waiting on government.

I know that Asians and Jews, for example, are industrious individuals. They do not expect or welcome government help, generally. Both groups do well. I taught a propeller design course for many years. Engineers and technicians from all over the world came to that course. I always had three or four Japanese from Ukuska shipyard in Japan. Those folks were often at the highest in the class. One time three Japanese engineers came. One spoke English and two did not. After the regular eight hour lecture, the Japanese went back to the hotel and the one who spoke English gave the whole lecture in Japanese to the other two. At the end of the three week course I gave the final exam, and all three received top scores. That impressed me, and I have ever since had great respect for Japanese people. Perhaps this story explains much about why Japan overtook America after WWII in the manufacture of televisions, wrist watches, autos, etc. In all the years I taught that class I never had an African American student.

Almost every city in America has a day labor corner where Latinos wait for jobs. The going wage is about $10 per hour. I have never seen a black person at one of these places even though unemployment is high in black communities. Latinos are not too proud to work at most any job for low wages. But I predict that the next generation of Latinos will be the owners of small businesses, while blacks will still be languishing in the ghettos complaining about how America discriminates against them.

Posted by: Rod | March 15, 2008 3:49 AM | Report abuse

Poor little Obama, he tries and he tries and he tries. But golly gee he fumbles (excuse him) he stumbles (hold him up) he is a good christian (?) he is pushed by the big guys and he is tredding in the foul waters of lies.

Know what, We guess Axel Rod better talk to his Rabbi, Daschle,Kennedy & Kerry better go to confession because they created this and it is up to them to fold their cards, they bet on the wrong horse.
Save the Democratic Party.

Posted by: John Q Public | March 15, 2008 4:06 AM | Report abuse

I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here ...... yeah right!

Posted by: Doubting Thomas | March 15, 2008 5:02 AM | Report abuse

You have no idea. Have you ever been an innocent child with hope and dreams, and then to be told by your 3rd grade teacher that your people were captured like animals, brought over on ships, beaten, branded and sold to as property. Then to see the images of hundreds of your people packed in a ship, with chains around their necks and seperated from their families.

It hit me really hard.

Then in 4th grade, I read about how my people were hung and set on fire, and not allowed to sit at the front of the bus.
YOU HAVE KNOW IDEA.
Then in 5th Grade, to be told that thousands of your men were injected with syphliss as an experiment.
Not to mention we were fighting in vietnam for the freedom of others while we were being oppressed in our own country.

All this was done in the name of Christianity. It took 4 Centuries for America to denounce its mistakes and correct them.

Talk about judgement.

Can you imagine what i felt as a child.

Then in 7th grade to be called a N**ger while competing in a church sports tournament by one of the youth group leaders.

How do you like my America so far.

Then as a teen to be pulled over by police and have guns drawn constantly if more than 2 of my friends were in the vehicle.

Not to mention no one black has a boat, but all the cocaine in America ends up in my community. I cant even count how many of my classmates ended up in prison or the grave in the 90's.

Then in college, when I was the only black in my program, I had to disregard so many sarcastic, hurtful remarks and situations.
I had to work twice as hard just to be average.

And you should see the look on potential employer's faces when I walk in to the office for an interview. I start off with one strike against me.


It was not that long ago, my grandmother saw her neighbors son lynched. You just dont forget that all that easy. She had to use the Colored fountain. Her Grandmother was the daughter of a slave.
It hasnt been that long ago.

Do you know how painful and degrading it is to watch Roots back as a 6 year old?


By the way, graduated with honors, I have 2 degrees, a great job, and love my country.

But I have to fight hard to focus on the good of America at times. Because we all have seen the bad and the ugly.

I dread the day that my son has to read his 3rd grade History Book, and finds out what man is capable of because of hatred.
Thats when you really find out that he's
black.
I can hear him now, " Why Dad"
And I will have to explain to him
that it is not because of anything he did, but because God chose to make his skin brown.

You think you know, but you have no idea.

Posted by: you have no idea | March 15, 2008 5:15 AM | Report abuse

Obama's pastor basically said that I, as a white man, am not touched by God's grace. That sentiment is irreconciliable with Christianity.

I had been a fervent Obama supporter. This is too much. That pastor was part of Obama's campaign, not simply some preacher that sometimes strayed into anti-Christian vitriol. He was a close advisor.

Obama no longer has my support - A house divided cannot stand. So disappointed.

"Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness." - 1 John 2:9

Posted by: Lost Sheep | March 15, 2008 5:33 AM | Report abuse

WLM1 Great Post !! OBAMA 08 For Sure, a better choice from this or I suspect any field cannot be made, unless it were Colin Powell ! I'm white, 56, American and want this Country to return to it's former greatness and respect. I'm just about sure Obama is the one that will doit! This man can over come this and make this Nation once again a Nation of Morality and Honor. Not the International Bully we have become. OBAMA 08, OBAMA 08, OBAMA 08

Posted by: Grandpappybear | March 15, 2008 7:05 AM | Report abuse

It is scary to think that this hatred might be spewing from pulpits around the country. The tone is absolutely militant and anti-white.

One cannot separate himself from the company he keeps and Obama's association with Wright goes much deeper than simply a campaign worker or casual acquaintance. He is described as Obama's mentor and spiritual advisor.

Obama's defense that he did not know of these sermons just falls flat and makes him appear to be either lying or the most naive person on the planet.

With this background it is hard to imagine that Obama could be president of ALL the people. It appears that he is closer to Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton than previously realized.

Posted by: JanetP | March 15, 2008 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Has anybody twigged that the Pastor was retiring? He might well be getting senile.

It is entirely posible that up to recently he was far more tactfull. Many people take advantage of pending retirement to finaly say and do what they always wanted to.

Perhaps Obama is tellng the truth - a very dear and old friend has in the last year or so been coming out with some rather unfortunate remarks that he hoped could be ignored.

I agree uterly that if Obama has been taking his children to church to hear racist crap year after year then he is a very poor father to his kids, and can't be expected to be a better one to America, but
he is denying it.

Has anybody talked to other members of the congregation to find out when these tirades started? The truth is available.

Posted by: Adrian | March 15, 2008 7:45 AM | Report abuse

*Obama says he highly respects the opinions of Rev. Wright who Obama has said brought hope to many also gave their " Man of the year' award to the notorious Louis Farrakhan. Nation of Islam Minister who said we are witnessing the phenomenal rise of a man of color in a country that has persecuted us! Obama hasn't distanced himself from Farraklhan as he wants the media to believe. A number of Jewish and pro-Israel voters have concerns and raised questions about Barack Obama. In case you haven't followed this ongoing issue, here's a brief summary of the complaints:Obama has called for engaging Iran. Daniel Ayalon, Israel's former ambassador to the United States, told the New York Sun he is concerned Obama would want to negotiate with a "Hitler-like" regime. Some of Obama's policy advisors of various stripes, such as Samantha Power, Robert Malley, and Zbigniew Brzezinski, have come under attack for their views on Israel. World Jewish Congress President Ronald Lauder fears, it's only a matter of time before the president becomes anti-Israel Howard Friedman, the president of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, said the leading presidential candidate are all interested in continuing close ties with Israel. Obama in traditional muslim garb brought these questions back to the fore Obama is a closet Muslim. Obama hasn't distanced himself from Farraklhan as he wants the media to believe, Obamas and his church said Farrakhan "epitomized greatness. For Americans, Farrakhan epitomizes racism, particularly in the form of anti-Semitism. Over the years, he has compiled an awesome record of offensive statements, even denigrating the Holocaust by falsely attributing it to Jewish cooperation with Hitler "They helped him get the Third Reich on the road." His history is a rancid stew of lies. Any praise of Farrakhan heightens the prestige of the leader of the Nation of Islam. His anti-Semitism and particularly his false insistence that Jews have played an inordinate role in victimizing African Americans. Farrakhan's dream has vilified whites and singled out Jews to blame for crimes large and small. He talks of Jewish conspiracies to set a media line for the whole nation. He has reviled Jews in a manner that brings Hitler to mind. And yet Obama and Rev Wright heaped praise on Farrakhan. He applauds his "depth of analysis when it comes to the racial ills of this nation." He praised "his integrity and honesty." He called him "an unforgettable force, a catalyst for change and a religious leader who is sincere about his faith and his purpose." These words of the black man who touts change and claims to be a uniter of all people?
FYI- its the same church and spitiual advisor for Oprah too!


DO NOT VOTE FOR OBAMANATION!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 15, 2008 7:48 AM | Report abuse

It's beginning to look as though America will continue to be run by rich white people, that there will be no changes in the foreign policies that inspired a bunch of Saudi fanatics to kill thousands of us, that we will have two deeply flawed major party candidates who have never been called [N-word]s, and that a large segment of the electorate may have valid cause to sing "G-D America".

White critics of Rev. Wright are doing so based on a lack of knowledge of the black church as an institution and an inherent inability to understand or identify with Black Liberation theology. They are projecting their own view of what religion is or should be on a group of people who have a different perspective. They are doing so based on a few minutes of collected snippets from hundreds of sermons over many years, spliced together and promoted for maximum misleading effect by certain media at the urging of rich white people.

I am a middle-aged white Southerner who would like to vote for Barack Hussein Obama in November, but the corporate powers that be are apparently determined to deny me that opportunity.

Posted by: flarrfan | March 15, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

This is his preacher of 20 years calling from the pulpit for God to Da-- America. Just words? That is worse than the Iranian students yelling "Death to America."

Posted by: jaywpat | March 15, 2008 8:08 AM | Report abuse

Hold on folks. This is no old uncle. That's too easy. This is a guy who ministered to Barrack Obama for 20 years. That's a relationship Barack sought to maintain as much as the minister. Obama believes all of what this guy said and his weekly attendance is a statemnent of that. He can't kick him out of the basement. He has spent 20 years endorsding his viewpoint by being willing to sit in his pew. This is going to cost Obama votes and it should - the media is right to alligh Obama with this disgustiung racist of a man.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 15, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

"Has anybody twigged that the Pastor was retiring? He might well be getting senile?"

As I understand it, this is a cd that is entitled 'Best of Jeremiah Wright' and was distributed by the church itself. It is represented to be a compilation of sermons from a number of years. Indeed, the most vitriol of the lot was a sermon presented the Sunday after 9/11/01.

It is disingenuous of Obama to assert that he did not know of these views of Wright.

Posted by: JanetP | March 15, 2008 8:35 AM | Report abuse

With friends like these???

Obama's largest charitable contributions go to a church run by a minister with some pretty radical and frightening views. Obama is very familiar with these views having listened to them both in public and in private for decades, and yet he kept on giving money. Do I believe this week's rejection of the Reverend Wright in response to intense media pressure or do I believe the 20 years of donations?

Mr. Obama began his political career as a community organizer, and yet he counts Tony Rezko as a friend. Either he was a pretty naive community organizer who failed to see Rezko for what he is, an abusive slumlord, or Mr. Obama is not much of a true friend to the people in the community he claimed to be helping.

Posted by: djstates | March 15, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

90% of what the reverend said is true. The cultural framework of America has not changed significantly since the civil rights movement. Of course there has been some progress, yet, there are still plenty of people who function on the "one tenth theory" of racial progress. Many people in the black community would agree with Reverend Wright in private, but due to the professional ramifications are very reluctant to agree publically.

I believe that Obama was inspired by the social agenda of Reverend Wright.

I am pro American, but am not hesitant to speak the truth about our history. I highly recommend The People's History by Howard Zinn. He tells the truth of America's History without apology.

Posted by: denise | March 15, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

As I read the shrill reactions to this whole thing, the blatant single-mindedness of some people is sad to read about. It seems that some people have declared that somehow white America has become the victim when a black preacher expresses his sense of outrage about perceived injustices. These same people rush to make it an issue of race when it is an issue of the human condition, society and social justice. These same people point to Barak Obama and somehow make him responsible for what another man says even though the same people are contributing to the anger by using guilt by association.

We as a nation are in serious trouble if we allow this garbage to continue. It is time to stop the hypocrisy of the white elite pretending to feel threatened by an old man's rant. It is time for white society to stop accusing the victim of the crime. Their very protestations, these right-wing and white responders are a testament to the sad condition of people of color. If these people did not feel they were getting a bad deal, white Americans would not be in a position to pretend shock at their frustration and anger.

I am not a person of color unless you consider Caucasian a color. I am not a youthful idealist but rather a man in 50's who is part of the working class, a retired soldier and bread-winner. I have benefited from my status as a white American in that I did not grow up under the yoke of prejudice and poverty. I do not feel guilty because of it nor to I deny my advantage. What is important is that I have taken the time to learn about and understand and appreciate the contributions of people of color to my country.

Reading the hostile, ignorant and divisive comments of some of the posters here being directed to Senator Obama leaves me feeling dread for the hope of this country to rise above the worst afflictions it suffers from.

In the words of Richard Wright, a well known author in the close of his book, Black Boy, "If this country can't find its way to a human path, if it can't inform conduct with a deep sense of life, then all of us, black as well as white, are going down the same drain..."

Those words were written in 1944 and are still valid today.

Posted by: Obamavet | March 15, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

He is so proud for having the best judgment among the nominees. I think i have better judgment than him since i left this church at day 1. I should run for president. are there anymore skeletons on his closet that we need to know. We are selecting the president of USA! I need the facts! dig on his past people. He does not have the experience so we have to judge him by his character. so far not very good. he just lied yesterday by saying he did not hear those statements for 20 years being on this church. give me a break. try harder and make it believable.

Posted by: mark | March 15, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Jeez! Now I'm going to be held responsible for all the dumb things Pope Benedict says. And he's infallible!


Jack,

If you are ashamed of Pope Benedict XVI, then it is fair o ask you why you belong to that organization. You are free to leave.

Carolyn

Posted by: Carolyn | March 15, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

-- people point to Barak Obama and somehow make him responsible for what another man says even though --


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I believe the fault is found on Obama's
actions in relation to the divisive
ideology, not the drivel itself. As in:
20 years / patronage / didn't know / mentor

That tallies up as a credibility problem.

Hard to believe he never heard it before
2007, and hard to see how an Inclusion
Candidate retains his membership there.

The man ran for national office 4 years
ago already. Was in state politics 8 years
prior to that. He should have joined a
church he'd never have to denounce, long
ago. More "bonehead" I suppose...


And for Wright's part, yes there is a
truth behind it - one that fits into
1958. To be that shrill and angry
about oppression from the "white man",
denies the vast progress made on civil
rights and racial equality over the
last 50 years. It denies ALL of the
caucasians - which is most of us -
that in that time have found our way
to enlightenment: a person is a
person is a person.

That happened on the backs of MLK and
many, many other civil rights warriors of
both ethnicities, as well as the parallel
struggle of Hispanic Americans. We have
had racial evolution, and the society is
far more balanced now in terms of
attitudes and opportunity, than it
was 50 years ago.

Yes, that evolution and progress is yet
incomplete. But tirades deny how far
we've come as Americans, and in 2008
do more to divide again, than they do
to push the ball forward.

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Posted by: votenic | March 15, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Within two hours after Obama made his statement that he had never heard any of these kinds of things coming out of his pastor's mouth, it was discovered that indeed Obama did sit through these types of sermons.

Rich Lowry found it and posted it here:

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NzUyZDAyMzBjMTAxMmI5NTI2OWU2NmE3OWY5YjYxMjQ=

Obama's first book betrayed him. Obama claims that this is what Wright had to say in the first sermon he ever heard from him:

"where white folks' greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere"

"Reverend Wright spoke of Sharpsville and Hiroshima, the callousness of policy makers in the White House and in the State House"

Sounds very much like the video being played on the internet and on TV.

Posted by: K. Carpenter | March 15, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

"90% of what the reverend said is true. The cultural framework of America has not changed significantly since the civil rights movement."

That is a hard position to support considering the success Obama has had in the primary season. Do the math; he could not have won all those states without the white vote. It does appear that more of the while population has transcended race.

Posted by: JanetP | March 15, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

"Rachel,

Rachel Rachel...are you like 17? I was when I asked questions like, "how we are going to rebuild or torn and tattered nation into one that has compassion for every being, the lost and the found?". This is NOT what most voters are considering when they vote. Most voters think about themselves, their families, their well being. How well my neighbor is doing is NOT a consideration.

If you want to rebuild a tattered nation,
walk out your front door and roll up your sleeves. And do not think the ballot box is your friend.

Just some well meaning advice..."

No, I am not 17. I work for a very large corporation in Corporate America. I am a white woman that faces discrimination every day. It is a well understood fact in my company that women are not given the opportunities to move into higher management (most every manager within my company is a man.) It has even been admitted by many of the men that are my co-workers. But unfortunately in this time of financial instibility, I am nervous to search for another job because many people in our area have been laid off (i.e Starbucks, and other, including my husband who was laid off this month.)
I studied political science and the media in college under brilliant professors and have done a lot of research since.
I recognize what is going on here if you read the entire post I made. America is falling into the same trap that it fell into 8 years ago and 4 years ago. Notably 4 years ago when the Bush campaign used these same fear mongering tactics to scare the population away from the Democrats, the same fear tactics they blinded America with into belieiving Sadam Hussein was harbouring WMDs so they would support thier unjustified invasion of Iraq meanwhile steering the attention away from their original accusations that it was Osama Bin Laden and Co that called for the attacks on America WHILE Sadam expressed his hatred for Osama.
I am fully aware of the mindset of most Americans and my fellow neighbors that don't give a flying F*** about me or my life.
I am also sick and F***ing tired of this attitude that has festered amoung our population. I have traveled to other countries and seen other perspectives on America and it deeply saddens me. IT IS TIME FOR A SOCIAL CHANGE WHETHER YOU THINK SO OR NOT!!!! IT IS IMPERITAVE!!!!

With that being said, social change starts with the individual. The individual has to change their way of thinking before they can expect anyone else to change theirs. If you think that this iis a radical notion, then you are absolutely right, America will not change and we WILL inevitably contiinue down the path of self-destruction like the Romans. Read a little history, do some research. If your way of thinking continues, we will sooner than later fall as a civilization.


On a side note, to the person who made a comment that Barack Obama only interviewed with the far left, read the headlines. He did an interview with your right-wing FOX.

Click on the Video clip... see for yourself.

http://www.foxnews.com


Posted by: Anonymous | March 15, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Fact Check:
Michelle Obama spoke her now infamous "proud" lines TWICE.
Once, she said "i am really proud", and once she said "i am proud".

Posted by: jj | March 15, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

It seems the media has run out of issues to cover. Now they are covering Pastor Wright and Congressman Ferraro.

Posted by: John Doe | March 15, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

So what will happen to patriotism with Obama? Poof, that's what I say. Apocalypse, that's what I say.

It was President Reagan (and many other fine presidents as well, I'm sure) that pointed out in his farewell speech that we need to continue to take pride in America, and that as parents we need to instill patriotism in our children as parents. What is Obama going to do for our patriotism besides take it away by not participating in it. As for the common American, our freedom allows us to believe what we want, to be free to pursue whatever religion we want, and to enjoy being American. But it is important to realize that this freedom is provided by patriotism and by our Constitution. The president is the #1 patriot, charged with preserving our Constitution as Commander in Chief. And this is why the President MUST be a very Patriotic person. As citizens we should enjoy our freedom, this is true, but for president, we should not accept any person who is not a true Patriot of these United States of America.

From Ronald Reagan's Farewell Speech
(http://www.reaganfoundation.org/reagan/speech... )

"An informed patriotism is what we want. And are we doing a good enough job teaching our children what America is and what she represents in the long history of the world? Those of us who are over 35 or so years of age grew up in a different America. We were taught, very directly, what it means to be an American. And we absorbed, almost in the air, a love of country and an appreciation of its institutions. If you didn't get these things from your family, you got them from the neighborhood, from the father down the street who fought in Korea or the family who lost someone at Anzio. Or you could get a sense of patriotism from school. And if all else failed, you could get a sense of patriotism from popular culture. The movies celebrated democratic values and implicitly reinforced the idea that America was special. TV was like that, too, through the mid-'60s"

And here's the continuation(punch line if you will) on the speech from Ronald Reagan:
http://www.reaganfoundation.org/reagan/speech...

"But now, we're about to enter the '90s, and some things have changed. Younger parents aren't sure that an unambivalent appreciation of America is the right thing to teach modern children. And as for those who create the popular culture, well-grounded patriotism is no longer the style. Our spirit is back, but we haven't reinstitutionalized it. We've got to do a better job of getting across that America is freedom--freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of enterprise. And freedom is special and rare. It's fragile; it needs protection.

So, we've got to teach history based not on what's in fashion but what's important: Why the Pilgrims came here, who Jimmy Doolittle was, and what those 30 seconds over Tokyo meant. You know, four years ago on the 40th anniversary of D-Day, I read a letter from a young woman writing of her late father, who'd fought on Omaha Beach. Her name was Lisa Zanatta Henn, and she said, "We will always remember, we will never forget what the boys of Normandy did." Well, let's help her keep her word. If we forget what we did, we won't know who we are. I'm warning of an eradication of the American memory that could result, ultimately, in an erosion of the American spirit. Let's start with some basics: more attention to American history and a greater emphasis on civic ritual. And let me offer lesson No. 1 about America: All great change in America begins at the dinner table. So, tomorrow night in the kitchen I hope the talking begins. And children, if your parents haven't been teaching you what it means to be an American, let 'em know and nail 'em on it. That would be a very American thing to do."

Vote for Obama and you vote for the Apocalypse.

Posted by: shannon | March 15, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Obama is the only politician in the history of this country who is allowed to carry the cross of other people!

Posted by: Jessica Brown | March 15, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

What next, the views of Obama's constitutional law professor? They cannot beat him on ideas, message, and policy. So they are shifting the game to what his pastor said and what his wife wrote in her thesis!

We are turning American's finest moment into her darkest moment!

Posted by: Janet Jordan | March 15, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

In the words of Hillary Clinton, I "find it curious" that all of this came to the forefront just ONE DAY before Iowa is holding a caucus to decide who gets the delegates that were previous given to other candidates. It seems to me that the Clintons (and I do mean "both" of them because they are both running) are very lucky with the timing of Obama's problems. They want to win and "will do anything to win"

Posted by: sweladi | March 15, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

If Democrats and the media select Obama as the candidate, he will fail, and rightly so.
This video shows just one example of what the republicans are going to do to Obama if he's selected as the primary Democratic candidate:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-714997129077869382&q=Rev+Wright+%22God+Damn%22&total=21&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

Posted by: shannon | March 15, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

This guy points out that "the Clintons" gave his community over 250 million dollars.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

The Clintons aren't perfect but Bill had a 70% approval rating when he left office - that's among the highest of any president in his situation.

What has Obama done for us that is so great?

Colin Powell is someone who is truly Honorable and is a symbol of Integrity (see his wikipedia entry below). Obama has no credentials to offer except some real-estate crime and his AntiPatriotism/AntiAmericanism .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Powell

Posted by: shannon | March 15, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

would you juge Hilary Clinton on his husband's scandal with Monica?
The senator has nothing to do with. Right! So Obama!

Posted by: cromwell | March 15, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

-- "90% of what the reverend said is true. The cultural framework of America has not changed significantly since the civil rights movement."

That is a hard position to support considering the success Obama has had in the primary season. Do the math; he could not have won all those states without the white vote. It does appear that more of the while population has transcended race.
Posted by: JanetP --


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Excellent point which proves progress
made, that Wright discounts by going on
tirades. Like I said that approach
upsets more people, than it encourages
to sustain progress already set in
motion. To me that is why Jackson and
Sharpton, speak with far more balance
on these matters than a loose cannon
like Wright.

40 years after the trailblazing of MLK
& the rainbow coalition of many thousands
that subscribed and worked the trenches,
you build on it now - you don't tear away
at it.

I think we all know that Obama agrees.
But the "walk" of his past (and present
even) needs to comport to the talk. Look
at the bottomless pit of credibility
questions, that happen otherwise.

Should those wreck his campaign, we
will still have progress from it. He will
still have blazed a new trail - and set
up the next well-spoken minority candidate.

Which could easily be him, in 2012 or
2016. If Keating 5 didn't destroy McCain
forever, then Obama will receive a new day
as well. He will have the time he needs,
to get distance he needs from Wright and
Resko. He will have a lesser opponent
than Clinton in his way.

And if a Clinton/Obama ticket - then
a chance to lock out the disastrous
"trickle-down" GOP ideology, for 16 years.

But however we get there, that has to
be the end goal. The biggest problems
in America are socio-economic.

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Posted by: RG | March 15, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Obama's pastor is a racist, hates America, hates white people, despises Jews and has a heart filled with anger.

Obama's uncle-like pastor gave a Life Time achievement award to Louis Farrakan, a racist agitator and anti-Semetic. In fact, both Rev Wright-anti-White and Louis Farrakan traveled together to honor Mommar Kadafi a few years ago.

I supposed Barack didn't know about these either; if he did, he certainly didn't denounce the award or the trip honoring another Anti-U.S. lunatic. Instead, he walked side-by-side with Louis Farrakan, the leader of the Black Panthers and Al Sharpton in the '05 Million March.

I can't help but conclude that Barack and his wife harbor negative feelings about people who are American and who are not black. It is a shame that Barack made his own bed by partnering for more than 20 years with this lunatic hate-monger. To think that Americans are dumb enough to believe that if one's personal adviser is David Duke of the KKK for more than 20 years but really there was no influence and there is no guilt by association, may work w/some of the Obama loyalists but not with the rest of the country. He blew it and has no one to blame not the Clintons, not the GOP, not the media, and not the "white establishment" but himself.

Posted by: HelloKitty | March 15, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

The pink elephant that wanders the room, however, is that because the Obama campaign, rightfully, will not lower itself to the garbage flinging attacks by both the Clinton campaign and the conservative Republicans some Obama supporters may feel they need to fill in the gap with attacks of their own where the official campaign does not choose to do so. It is a temptation many of us have had and we applaud Senator Obama for raising us all out of that mire.

Posted by: bobcampbell | March 15, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone really believe that Obama NEVER heard of his pastor's statements prior to this week or only heard about one or two of them? Come on! I am NOT am active member of my church and I am 100% SURE if my pastor had ever said that the federal government is giving black people HIV; spreading drugs; or is responsible for 9/11 I would have heard about it.
He is also stating he was NEVER there when Wright made remarks that were so inflammatory? What about his wife Michelle? Was she there?

Posted by: Eric | March 15, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Correction: The article title should read "Obama Disavows Pastor's RACIST Remarks". After all we apply the label to one, we must apply it to all fairly. Don't want to appear RACIST, right? Enough of the politically correct, apologist crap, grow a spine and some common sense.

Posted by: historicbruno | March 15, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

"We are turning American's finest moment into her darkest moment!
Posted by: Janet Jordan | March 15, 2008 02:00 PM"

The "we' that you are referring to has to be Obama, his wife, his pastor, and those people in the video who are cheering and pumping their fists as Wright curses our country and a large majority of its citizens.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 15, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Obama and Rev. Wright were closed tied for over twenty years. It was Obama's choice. Wright was his spiritual leader and like "an old uncle." Rev. Wright was appointed to Obama's campaign by him. He is intelligent to have realized the theme of Rev. Wright's message after 20 years of listening to his church sermons, not to mention all of the personal contact they had.
Colin Powell would be an excellent choice but not Obama. He is an American who loves his country and all Americans - of all colors.
The job of the United States President needs to have a better interviewing process - a top Secret security clearance, a fingerprint test, a pscyhological test, ect. - whatever it takes to hire the best candidate. Show the American public a copy of each candidates financial records. Why did it take Obama and his wife over twenty years to pay their student loan? Michelle said in an interview that they paid it off a few years ago? Hillary is definitely no angel either but I do think that she is pro America. Give American another candidate.

Posted by: Anne | March 15, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

VIDEO SIGHTING VIDEO SIGHTING OF BARACK OMBAMA AT THE RACIST SERMON, GET VIDEO SIGHT FROM CHERSPLACE MESSAGE, THREE MESSAGES ABOVE MINE, EMAIL IT TO THE MEDIA AND TO HIS CAMPAIGN MANAGER

HEY CHERSPLACE, YES THAT HAS TO BE THAT LYING, DECEIVING, HYPOCRIT, BARACK OMBAMA IN THE CHRUCH DURING THE PASTOR'S RACIST REMARKS!!!! YOU NEED TO SEND THAT TAPE TO ALL OF THE NEWS MEDIA OUTLETS, TO EXPOSED THIS HATEMONGER TO THE WORLD.

Posted by: MARIA | March 15, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Well finally everyone sees that Barack Obama is not only a secret Somali Muslim but also a Christian for 20 years with a hateful pastor. It's time to follow Senator McCain's lead and rally behind a true spiritual guide like televangelist Rod Parsley who knows that America "was founded, in part, with the intention of seeing this false religion (Islam) destroyed".
http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20080313/cm_huffpost/091329

Posted by: Jimmy | March 15, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Hello

I can't believe Obama would have a pastor like this for so long if he didn't feel the same way.

Posted by: thought he had a chance until | March 15, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

what a sad bunch of white people on these posts.

May I suggest that you spend ONE DAY as a black man in Amerikkka and see if you don't get pissed off? Shame on you all for judging a pastor for expressing his anger at the oppression he has experienced in this country? Who the hlll are you to judge him if you've never experienced such things? And holding a candidate responsible, come on?

I have gone to church all my life and if I left every time my pastor said something I didn't like, I can tell you I probably wouldn't have a church to call home. So really folks, if you are using this 'episode' to confirm your suspicions regarding the black man with the funny middle name and Muslim father, then surely shame on you.

Did you all miss when McCain met with John Haggee, or the visits of every Republican candidate for president to Liberty University for the last decade?

Posted by: jny5 | March 15, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Obama knows that Hillary Clinton is not racist. Obama knows that Geraldine Ferraro is not racist. Obama knows that his long time mentor, spiritual advisor, friend, and hero hates this country and the white people in it. Watch Obama's response to the comments of Ferraro, and then watch how he reluctantly distanced himself from Wright. If that's not campaign rhetoric and manipulation in motion, I'll eat my hat.

Obama was raised by his white mother and white grandparents. It's highly unlikely that Rev Wright's Christmas Day sermon a couple of months ago was an honest depiction of Obama's experiences in this country.

Was Obama warned not to attend the service on Christmas Day to make sure the Rev could play this race card and Obama could distance himself from the vile message this Christian minister shared with his congregation on the holiest of Christian holidays? According to democratic strategist, Keith Boylin, a young black man, the message Rev Wright professed from the pulpit to advance Obama's ambitions is a message that is repeated every Sunday at black churches across this country.

To be perfectly honest, this is the most frightening racist movement I've ever seen envelope this country. Now, Obama wants to call a truce because what his campaign has been doing is no longer going to work in his behalf.

Posted by: Happy2BMe | March 15, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

I would have a hard time believing that Obama and Wright weren't trying to show their congregation how sleigh they were and sail right into the white house with hate and vengeance for whites on their mind. For the good of the party, Barack should concede to Clinton and end the primaries. His campaign is now unwinnable. If he has any leadership qualities, he should realize the magnitude of this dilemma and concede with dignity. If there are any brains coming out of Harvard, the next few days will prove it.

Posted by: coco0331 | March 15, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

I want to ask this question: WAS HIS OPPSITION TO THE WAR IN 2002 ONLY 'NATURAL' TO HIM, AS OPPSED TO A CONSIDERED JUDGEMENT CALL?

It would appear to be natural, given it was also the position of Rev. Wright and perhaps much of his congregation.

Posted by: joeintexas | March 15, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

How anyone can say the teachings of Reverend Wright in the name of Christianity are okay is beyond me.
I am so sick of hearing this crap about it being a black thing, that whites don't understand.
I understand that the blacks were mistreated. I understand that minorities have been mistreated, all minorities. I understand that women have been treated as property and mistreated.
But I did not mistreat any black person and no black person making these racist remarks was themself a slave.
They are Americans, the same as I am an American. When other people come to our country and become American citizens they take an oath to this country.
Why is it okay for the people of this church to swear allegiance to Africa but enjoy all the benifits of being Americans.

Racism is not one-sided.
I am white and was raised in the South Philadelphia slums. I went to an all black school and let me tell you, the blacks even when I was in first grade were already filled with hate towards me because I was white. Little kids, 7 years old would surround me and say give us your milk money, and when I said no they would say "we gone git you after school."
When I was in Junior High School I used to get a permission slip to leave school 5 minutes early so I wouldn't get beat up on the way home.
I lived in a family that did not believe in racism but that didn't matter to the kids at school because at home they were being taught racism.
I have a sister who married a black man, and a nephew who is bi-racial and I do not see people by the color of their skin.
We have to move past this racial divide, but people like Reverend Wright and people who want to be a part of this kind of organization do not do anything to put this divide behind us.

I cannot accept that Barrack Obama does not share these views that were expressed in his Church while he sat there for 20 years.

Racism still lives in our society and it will not be eradicated by constantly living in the anger and hate of our ancesters of any race. We are all Americans.
If you don't love this country and want to give your allegiance to another country than that is where you should live.

I love my country and although it is not perfect, I would not want to live anywhere else. I will not vote for a racist for my President.

Posted by: chersplace | March 15, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

If he is to implode, which now looks
increasingly possible, Hillary will not
only save the election from another
4 years of Bush/McSame, she will also
ask him on the ticket for unity and
so he can apprentice for 2016.
**********

I THINK OBAMA HAS DAMGED HIS CHANCES FOR VP TOO, UNLESS DEMS WANT TO TAKE A CHANCE ON IT. HE IS MEAT FOR THE SWIFT-BOATERS!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 16, 2008 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Obama has denounced his pastor's remarks stating he didnot know about his pastor's views. Meaning he is not aware of his surroundings. Its not like he was this busy as he has been in last year running a campaign.

Before running for president he was an average joe and in 20 years he has to know what Rev wrigth stood for and what his belief system was. If he is not aware of his surroundings, how can americans give him the toughest, hardest and most powerful job on the face of the earth (i.e. President of a great nation)

Ask this simple question "Why was Obama attarcted to this church and this pastor?"

Answer is: He was searching for an identity and he found that identity in race based gospel. He found his own. He made a bad judgement. But he will never accept that. Cos that will kill his campaign in a second.

No one believes that he didnot know about what was going on in his church. Whne the story broke out and people reacted to it and wntire town was talking about it, he goes to all the media outlets and denounces his ties to this pastor. Isn't that what every politician does. How is he different?

What I can't grasp is How can you denounce someone who has guided you, influenced you and mentored you and baptized your kids.

Posted by: anton | March 16, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Wow. Really sad, but -- after hearing Mrs. Obama's shocking comment last month -- not entirely unexpected. Too bad, because I was hoping to see Obama again in 4 or 8 years, after he's had more political experience under his belt, but I think this will ruin him. I lean strongly toward Democratic, but if Obama somehow wins the nomination, I will vote for McCain. What a hypocrite, Obama. You make Spitzer look like an altar boy.

Posted by: NYIndependent | March 16, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

Sadly, this is indeed about JUDGEMENT. And his judgement should be seriously questioned for appointing this pastor [respected as he may be] to any official campaign comittee. Obama knew Wright can get 'rough'. He KNEW about Farrakhan. This is an association that isn't Presidential.

God BLESS America.

Posted by: thinktank08 | March 16, 2008 3:46 AM | Report abuse

What is the world coming to we all obviously have no life because if we did we would not be online debating an issue that we all know is just media fodder.

Posted by: Lynn | March 16, 2008 3:47 AM | Report abuse

Sadly, this is indeed about JUDGMENT. And his judgment should be seriously questioned for appointing this pastor [respected as he may be] to any official campaign committee. Obama knew Wright can get 'rough'. He KNEW about Farrakhan. This is an association that isn't Presidential.
God BLESS America.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 16, 2008 3:50 AM | Report abuse

The Bible states that Jesus' friends were sinners, so does that mean Jesus was a sinner?

Posted by: Lynn | March 16, 2008 3:51 AM | Report abuse

Buenos noches!

Posted by: Lynn | March 16, 2008 3:55 AM | Report abuse

LYNN

Therein lies the problem. Your reasoning is flawed. You are elevating Obama to parallel Jesus; and Obama is no savior.

In fact, this has been a problem with this election. People want to believe. Obama has a sea of young voters, which is commendable, but new research tells us youth brains don't even mature until age 25. And until that time they are suseptible to impulses, peer pressure and
etc. We've got young voters, with reasoning skills not fully matured, swinging this election for a nominee based on YouTube Obama Girl videos they've seen on the Internet and Viral marketing, with no other idea what the candidate stands for.

Posted by: thinktank08 | March 16, 2008 4:04 AM | Report abuse

ok tonight I figured out Mr. Obama's attraction...he looks like Johnny Mathis....[no really...

Posted by: paloma | March 16, 2008 4:56 AM | Report abuse

Obama has campaigned himself has having "judgement" to take those 3 AM calls. His judgement is seriously a question as is his honesty. For 20 years he has attended and taken his children to listen to the hate that spews from Rev Wright's mouth. And now we can also understand why Michelle Obama says "I have never been proud of my country before".
The Louis Farrakhan relationship with the minister and Obama has never been fully known except that Obama wasn't forthcoming in identifying an Outstanding Achievement Award presented to Farrakhan at the church.

Obama has been caught in many lies. Recently he was caught on CNN giving a campaign speech in Mississippi where he said Lou Dobbs and Rush Limbaugh wanted to mass deport all illegal immigrants. Lou Dobbs has NEVER said he wants to mass deport illegal immigrants. Lou Dobbs is still waiting for an apology.

Race would not be an issue in this campaign if the Obama campaign were not bringing it up every time some one says "fairytale". In fact, they tried to sell the media on the idea that the 3 AM (which they partially copied) had a subliminal racial message because it showed someone fearful that a burglar was there and of course, everyone knows all burglars are black...weird thinking but that is the truth - that is what they said.

Obama cannot win the presidency in the general election. Now we know why the Democrats have Super Delegates so they can vote for the most electable candidate.

Posted by: Gorgegirl | March 16, 2008 6:33 AM | Report abuse

Below my own post I've copied what someone else posted here because it makes sense. I am Canadian; we helped American in their attack against Iraq. You can't really, in fairness, call it a war.

I was raised on American culture - movies, music, clothes - we had no TV when I was small - I drove on the bus to visit my cousins in Boston, wrote to penpals across the country.

When George W. Bush talked about 'shock and awe', and then I watched on CNN as the bombs being dropped on Iraq, my blood ran cold from my veins and I was ashamed and horrified.
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Sad thing is, I agree with most of what he (Pastor Wright) says. I'm a white man from North Carolina. Apparently we aren't responsible for killing more innocent civillians since Vietnam than all other countries combined (excluding the Rawandan genocide). The war in Iraq has claimed 150,000 innocent civillians (by US estimates) 300,000 is a more probable estimate. Apparently we cannot criticize govn't policies or we are unpatriotic. This is called facism. Bin Laden did not bomb Belgium. Islamic Terrorist don't attack Chinese embassies. WAKE UP. 9/11 is an UNDENIABLE response to American foreign policy. Just ask the alleged perpetrators. I am not justifying what they did, I'm simply stating the facts. That's right fellow Americans, I'm thinking for my self, using reason AND logic at the same time. Some people might resist American global hegemony. Some might resist voilently. It is an inescapable truth.
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Posted by: Joan | March 16, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

First of all I am not white but Native American.One blogger said only white bloggers and conservatives are criticizing Obama.I find the words preached by Mr. Obama's pastor deplorable and I for one would never allow my children to attend such a church.I teach my children of our history and the atrocities committed against our people but I teach them that this our country.Though not perfect it is ours and we must defend it with our blood.My grandfather fought in the trenches in France in WWI.My uncle a Air Force Mechanic in WWII.My father tried to enlist but at 12 they would not take him.I could not pass the physical for Viet Nam.(Well actually later I protested in the streets of New Orleans against the War...sorry.)but I'd fight today if I had to to protect the lives of all Americans regardless of their skin color or beliefs.I would gladly die for My America to preserve our freedom.I would never disgrace the sacrifices my family made risking their lives to defend America.I am sorry Mr. Obama but I did support you but now I can not.I have white friends I would defend with my life..black friends,brown friends.yellow friends.I would have walked out of any church that preached what Reverend Wright preaches.No one has more of a right to denigrate this country than us Native Americans,to feel hate in our hearts but I do not hate America.My grandfather and uncle and father were not terrorists,they were Brave Warriors defending their Country.A country that stole their land and virtually condemned them to lives of poverty.My Grandfather would have slapped me in the mouth if I ever spoke about this country in this way.Reverend Wright is free to preach whatever he wants,that is his right.All people deserve a platform to express their views but the core belief system of Mr.Wright and Mr. Obama are not the core beliefs of the majority of Americans.The Reverend Wrights and Barack Obama's do deserve a voice in America but not from the halls of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.It saddens me to see someone such as Mr. Obama who speaks so well and inspire so many people but now he has lost my support.I wish him well and pray for himand his poeple people.As a Native American I know the pain of racism but there are forces out there bent on destroying our Country and this is no time for divisiveness.My Grandfather never spoke of the war as much as I begged him to...he only said one thing"on the killing fields of France everyone's blood was red."

Posted by: Hawk | March 16, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

My reasoning is not flaw. I did not Mr. Obama was akin to Jesu. Do not put words in my mouth. This whole thing is that if you associated with someone then you must be exactly like them.

Posted by: Lynn | March 16, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Hawk. It is just amazing how everyone really wants to paint this man as a racist. The true reason for all this is FEAR. Everyone wants to put the views of all black people on one person and label him as an enemy of the United States. The real enemy has reared its ugly head and it is winning its cause.

Posted by: Lynn | March 16, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

"Hawk. It is just amazing how everyone really wants to paint this man as a racist. The true reason for all this is FEAR. Everyone wants to put the views of all black people on one person and label him as an enemy of the United States. The real enemy has reared its ugly head and it is winning its cause."

Thank you. Fearful America is a dangerous America.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 16, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

--- Obama cannot win the presidency in the general election. Now we know why the Democrats have Super Delegates so they can vote for the most electable candidate.
Posted by: Gorgegirl ---


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Pretty close, yes. They are there for
the exact circumstance of this primary -
a close contest that nobody emerges from
with enough voted delegates to win.

Their charter is then to make an independent
judgment, on the basis of electability
and long-term benefit of the party as they
see it.

Pelosi - who is almost always right -
has been on a couple times asserting how
it will be a giant problem if they go
against the voted result. Nonsense.

If they must vote as a slight majority
(now about 2% to Obama) have, or as
their district did, that nullifies their
existence entirely. They don't need to
vote at all in that case - you'd just
select the person with the most delegates,
regardless of margin or shortfall.

But they do exist. For the reason above.

We are guaranteed a democratic choice in
the general election - it is actually party
prerogative whom it puts up to run. They
used to do it in secret "back rooms".

Now it is democratic, as long as somebody
gets enough votes to reach the delegate
total the party pre-determined. Which is
what McSame just did.

Had he and Huckabee or Romney fought to
a near tie with nobody amassing enough
to win outright, RNC boss morons would
have stepped in - Superdelegates or not.

More reason you might want the counter-
balance of Superdelegates: Suppose in
this circumstance where nobody has 2025
but you have 1 candidate ahead, there
is a lot of "will-of-people" noise
(that conveniently wants to nullify
will in MI and FL) - and then that
candidate is caught up in a scandal. Or
some other development, like patronizing
a racially divisive church for 20 years,
creates such objection that his polling
plummets and would enter the general
race crippled by it.

You might want a mechanism to move away
from that candidate before nomination.


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Posted by: RG | March 16, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

The recent media headliner is to bring down Obama by running some excerpts of sermons by the Rev. Wright which are supposed to show that Wright is racist. Well, since the press wants denunciation, let's make a list of others that we want exposed:
• Pastor John Hagee, a conservative pastor and leader of a 19,000 + congregation in Texas who has endorsed John McCain. Pastor Hagee
Preaches against Catholics and Gays.
• Rev. Calvin Butts, pastor of Abyssinian Baptist Church, Harlem, who endorses Hillary Clinton.
• Rev Floyd Flake, pastor of Allen AME, NYC, who endorses Hillary Clinton
• Butts and Flake are pastors of two of the largest congregations in NYC
• We also want to know why the IRS is NOT investigating Hagee, Butts and Flake for their political endorsements and call for immediate action. There is an investigation of Trinity UCC by the IRS for its association with Obama.
• Now, on for the BIG PRIZE, let's get to the SOURCE of Wright's various
"racist diatribe". We should immediately pull any literature that he used and across the nation burn the major reference book on the steps of the local courthouse--Here are some samples of this offensive literature:
Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung from your solemn feasts. Malachi 2:3

And the Lord said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the Lord against the sun. Numbers 25:4
Pretty extreme and cruel, isn't it? What about the words of it's regligious leader, whom Rev. Wright worships, adores and emulates:
Jesus went to the temple once He got into Jerusalem, and He didn't like what He saw. This most holy of places had been turned into a marketplace. Merchants were selling animals for temple sacrifices. Money changers were exchanging the pilgrims' money for special coins used in the temple. Many of these people were cheating the pilgrims who came to celebrate Passover in Jerusalem.
Jesus turned over the seats of the merchants and the tables of the money changers, scattering their coins. He told them all to leave. He made a whip of some cords and used it to drive out the animals. He said,
It is written, 'My house will be called a house of prayer for all nations', But you have made it a den of robbers!
There is another verse that says,
Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.
Psalm 105:15
Meaning, the old fathers, to whom God showed himself plainly, and who set forth his word
Anointed - My prophets, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; who are called God's anointed, because they were consecrated to be his peculiar people, and to be kings and princes in their families. And they are called prophets, because God familiarly conversed with them and revealed his will to them, and by them to others.

Rev Wright is learned in the scriptures and to "crucify" him is in line with the ONE he serves!

Posted by: AJ | March 16, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

"Obama is anxious to distance himself from some of Wright's more contentious remarks"

Yet, when he was looking for a church, Obama chose Trinity church because it was the biggest and it would enhance his political ambitions. He knew Wright's strongly held anti-white, anti-American beliefs over 20 years in attendence but feels he can smooth talk voters out of this problem just like Rezko, his home purchase.... His condescending denials show his contempt for Americans intelligence. Obama expected these attacks during the general election, per the story last year when Wright told Obama he may have to distance himself if Obama wins the primary. They felt it would be easier to defend their relationship against Republicans. He was not ready or prepared to confront these issues from fellow Democrats. Rev Wright is a racist and bigot yet I feel sadness for this man's legacy as Obama stands by and refuses to defend his mentor, and spiritual advisor. If Obama's blind ambition allows him to throw Wright under the bus, what harm could he do to our America?

Posted by: Skinsfan1978 | March 16, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

A person doesn't attend a church for 20 years and then say they don't agree with the messages of Rev Jeremiah Wright. And, he doesn't sit in the pew with his daughters and subject them to the hatred for whites and the US and then say he has "the judgement" needed to be president. Wright's remarks are racist, pure and simple.
The media has been so google-eyed over their "rock star" that they have failed the public by not reporting fairly the information voters need to make an informed decision. In fact, Senator Obama has been able to plan & control his own story because he wrote it first. Case in point: Atlantic's Marc Ambinder reported that an Obama aide sat down next to him and "wanted to know when reporters would begin to look into Bill Clinton's post-presidential sex life."
The Obama campaign has been able to successfully, but unfairly inject race into
the race through their aides, namely Amaya Smith and the Huffington Post.
We don't want a president whose judgement is in question as to who he will surround himself during an administration nor do we want a President whose foreign policy will be hampered or swayed by his radical views.

Obama has ran that he was the candidate who
opposed the war from the beginning, but yet
when asked in 2004 how he would have voted
had he been in the Senate, he said "I don't
know". Bill Clinton called this a fairytale and for that, he was called a
racist. But, the media has yet to ask Obama why if he was against the war and felt it took away from the war in Afghanistan, why is it that he has yet to have one meeting of his Subcommittee on European Affairs which oversees NATO's role
there and for which he is chairman?

It is clear to me that if Obama wins the nomination that McCain will win by a landslide in November, for as a lifelong Democrat myself, I would not be able to vote for such a person.

Posted by: Gorgegirl | March 16, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

THE GAME IS OVER. SEN. OBAMA CAN NEVER BE PRESIDENT.

DEMOCRATIC DELEGATES ARE CRAZY IF THEY STILL NOMINATE THIS MAN. AS A STANDARD BEARER, HE WILL NOT ONLY LOSE THE ELECTION BUT WILL TAKE DOWN ALL HIS SUPPORTERS WHO WILL RUN FOR ELECTION ESPECIALLY IN SWING STATES.

NO AMOUNT OF SPIN CAN ABSOLVE HIM FROM THIS BONEHEADED MISTAKE.HE LISTENED AND EMBRACED THE RANT OF JEREMIAH WRIGHT FOR 20 YEARS. HE HAD ALL THE TIME TO DISASSOCIATE HIMSELF FROM THIS MAN FOR YEARS BUT HE DID NOT DO SO. TO REJECT AND DENOUNCE IT NOW IS OPPORTUNISTIC AND SELF-SERVING.

IF JOHN KERRY WAS NOT ABLE TO SURVIVE THE SWIFTBOAT LIES, HOW DO YOU THINK SEN. OBAMA CAN SURVIVE THIS AWFUL TRUTH. THE REPUBLICANS ARE SURELY SALIVATING NOW WITH THE PROSPECT OF FACING THIS MAN IN NOVEMBER.ALL THEY HAVE YO DO IS AIR THE RANTS OF THE PASTOR DAY AND NIGHT AND SIT BACK AND RELAX.

Posted by: tim 591 | March 16, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I just have a question for "Hawk" who posted on here earlier. Is your mother's name "Sherry"??

Posted by: Gorgegirl | March 16, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

For over twenty years, Obama's children and the other black children there heard these diatribes and another generation of blacks learned to hate another generation of whites. No matter what I teach my children, I can not overcome the likes of this. The US-KKK-of-A started aids to wipe out people of color? For twenty years he tolerated this. Damn it, I could have voted for this man. Better that we learned it now than with him in the White House.

Posted by: Andy | March 16, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Andy:

That is interesting, because I believe I know how that made you feel.

When I read Hillary's fabricated Northern Ireland story, I was disappointed too.

Hillary Clinton had no direct role in bringing peace to Northern Ireland and is a "wee bit silly" for exaggerating the part she played, according to Lord Trimble of Lisnagarvey, the Nobel Peace Prize winner and former First Minister of the province.

Posted by: henry | March 16, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how the people in Al-Quida respond to the Rev. Wright's sermons? How will Obama handle hatred towards America from other countries if he cannot stand up and walk out on this rhetoric in his own church? We have many problems in this country, and Blacks are not the only people to suffer, but our President has to see the big picture of where we stand in the world. Why would we want to go from one end of the spectrum (Bush thinking that we can do whatever we want in the world) to the other (blaming America for everything)?

Posted by: Xuan | March 17, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone really believe it would be wise to elect an individual who clearly 'hates America first' to the presidency? B. Hussein Obama and family and his brethren in his church have had this hateful message preached to them for over 20 years. Africa comes first and foremost. The interest and survival of the USA falls somewhere well below the Africa priority. The USA deserved 9/11. And on and on. What despicable hatred is being spewed from the pulpit of this church!

It was bad enough when Bill Clinton went overseas and badmouthed the country, but can the USA afford to risk electing B. Hussein Obama when we now know how he and his wife truly feel about the USA?



Posted by: Littledoc | March 17, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, Obama's credibility is gone. It is a serious flaw in judgement of him to say, "I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial" knowing full well the position of his church and the position of his pastor, after he and his family attended their twenty years. I'm a white man, attending a church that is pastored by a black pastor that is majority black in attendance. I've never heard my person say anything racial or remotely racial; however, if I did, I would be gone. If he said anything near to the things that Obama's pastor has said, I would leave immediately. The fact that he continued to attend this church when there are many other wonderful churches to attend really makes me question his judgement and his believes. The people that you associate with, the church you attend, the people that marry you and that you call your "uncle" say a lot about who you are. This is just common sense. The republicans will finish off Obama with this association because this goes to the heart of credibility and trust. Trust is defined by someone's words and actions come together. Obama has been dealt a big blow on this one.

Posted by: Craig | March 17, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Let's be real....am not gona vote for Obama. No mistake this time.

Posted by: Miko | March 17, 2008 3:54 AM | Report abuse

i am Macjive, i resident in the UK.

i NEVER KNEW AMERICANS ARE THIS ILLITERATE AND GULLIBLE- (sorry 60%)
The fact that a pastor in a church at a time (5 mins) said something inflamatory
does it mean that he says it all the time ?,
does it mean, that is his believe and position ?
does it mean his congregation are unpatriotic and should be held accountable to a 5 mins spill?

What people should be asking should be:

IS THAT A REOCCURRING SERMON IN THE CHURCH ?
Even the pope has said something inflamatory at a time ,

does it mean,that is the position of the catholic church, and hence every member in the church.

Remember ur vote today, will be ur vindication tomorrow.
" Americans this is ur time to show commitment and participation to the American dream that blood and sweat has being sacrified freely and willing for "

vote for ur future. we know the TRUTH

Posted by: macjive01 | March 17, 2008 4:03 AM | Report abuse

Good its not too late. Wake up folks. Vote for Hillary. She is our hope and she will help the country bounce back to financial prosperity,Truth always comes out on time Have people know about this we should have a nominee by this time. Lets all vote for the right person and thats Hillary....

Posted by: Marissa | March 17, 2008 4:56 AM | Report abuse

This is quite telling about those that have been supporting Obama. I often wondered where these "Hate" comments were coming from, and now, from what has been revealed, it appears they were coming from his closest spiritual advisor in the form of "Talking Points". I don't see how he will be able to maintain much support, and will be looking at the many polls this week that surely will have these questions asked.

Posted by: lylepink | March 17, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse

I am and have been a member of the democratic party for 40 years. The party included George Wallace, Lester Maddox,Abe Fortas, Stron Thurmon and many others with whon I did not agree. I am a Black Person. To my supporters I would like say that I am sorry, but based on my past association with this organization I have decided not to run for president.

Posted by: Raymond | March 17, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

@macjive01: "i NEVER KNEW AMERICANS ARE THIS ILLITERATE AND GULLIBLE"

There are a lot of those little surprises here. We're a nation of polar opposites - some of the most intelligent and some of the most stupid people you will ever meet. Some live lifestyles beyond your imagination, most live decently to well, but too many live in poverty for a country this advanced. Just remember to keep expectations realistic (which means factoring in the reality that Republicans have controlled this country for most of the decade - it always leaves us in an absolute mess but we go back again and again like battered spouses)

Posted by: Tim B | March 17, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Stick a fork in Obama, he's done.

Posted by: Cooking M | March 17, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Interesting. If the pastor's watch did not agree with the grandfathers clock every one is out to skin him. I feel despite the educational levels of Americans and despite their good nature they at times fall into a rehtoric. Why is there so much of hysterical commitment to Israel? will God not forgive if one speaks truth about the Zions?- even if they are responsible in crucifying Jesus Christ? Where is the so called 'Freedom of expression'? The simple and helpful Americans have been hypnotized into believing Israel means USA? At times it really surprises me of the lack of independant thinking and of analysis in USA. Believe me an ordinary folk in our country is more street smart. He does not get hypnotized by the media blitzkrieg. The worst - you believe in your media- and who controls it? But it is discriminatory to record religion in your passports - a slogan initiated by the Zions. But in their own Israel they are required to do so! A jew never takes interest if loan is advanced to another jew bcause it is prohibited in Torah - yet for us gentiles they have seperate set of rules.
I only request the Americans not to be led by emotions. listen to the pastor. Shun him if you think that it was all crab. But if it is not -then ensure Justice as strongly advocated by the Christ - may peace be on him.

Posted by: a m malik | March 17, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

The title of this campaign to bring Obama down through his church should be: I'm hating on you; you're hating on me.

The media, since day one, has done everything possible to reduce this entire campaign to one issue: RACE.

OK! You wanted a race war against Obama? You've got it. If you think that once you destroy Obama with his preacher's remarks, which happens to be mostly true, that we African Americans will quickly forget and vote for your candidate for the 44th time, you are mistaken. I and 100% of the people that I talk with about this situation, will not vote for Hillary and Bill Clinton this Fall.

Every ounce of affection that I ever had for Bill and, thus, Hillary is gone. I don't smile any more when I hear someone refer to Bill Clinton as the "black president". I now know the Clintons as white racist. They use their mouth in the same manner that Lester Maddox use his ax handle while standing in the school house door. Their objective is the same as Lester's: 'Keep this black man and his family out of the Oval Office. It is not time, yet, to "Live out the true meaning of the Creed", as Dr. King proposed. 'It's a noble idea but not yet freedom, not yet! It Hillary and Bill's turn again and after that it will be Chelsea's turn. After all she will have had more experience answering the three a. m. emergency phone call than anyone.

America is at the crossroad. Which way will it go? Will it go with the possibilities offered to it by Barack Obama OR will it remain true to its traditional habits of bigotry and racism? Will America make a liar of Rev. Wright or will it prove him to be a truthful sage.

I'm from Memphis. I don't know Rev. Wright, personally. I have no church ties. I'm African American and in my late 60s. I'm self-educated. My formal education is not mention worthy. I'll bet that Rev. Wright speaks for millions of others as he does for me. Yet, we all love this country well enough to hope and dream that America, beginning with the media, will prove Rev. Wright, me and millions more wrong.

The media is more bigoted than Rev. Wright has the power to be. Case in point. Nobody in the media has suggested that Hillary should file for divorce after the stream of racial remarks Bill Clinton has made through out this campaign. Yet, you, the media, are calling for Obama to not only renounce Rev. Wright's words; you want him to renounce Rev. Wright the person and the Church. The media has never before ask the same of others who have committed the very same offenses.

Posted by: Maia Ajanaku | March 17, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Please compare Rev. Hagee's church to Rev. Wright's church.

Which one these sights seem to address some of the social issues that can provide Americans now and for generations to come with resources which can make them productive and independent citizens? Which church is trying to save taxpayers' money? Which one seems genuine and welcoming for the individual? Which one has members/former members who offer scholarships to youth? Which church is more likely to reduce the number of individuals for our society to complain about? Which sight seems to exhibit the love of Christ and his mission? Which one seems to show respect and love of our country and constitution?

http://www.jhm.org/ME2/Default.asp Hagee
http://www.tucc.org/home.htm Wright

Posted by: cn | March 17, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

For sure he won't be ready one day one if it took him 20 years to learn about his pastor.

Posted by: Independent Voter | March 17, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

For sure he won't be ready on day one if it took him 20 years to learn about his pastor.


Sorry about the typo in my 1st post.

Posted by: Independent Voter | March 17, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Let's face it most people search out a church to raise their families in that they feel comfortable in and agree with there teachings. For Obama to stay there twenty years, he had to know what Wright stood for was so wrong. Why did he stay and now he is saying Wright is stepping down as head pastor so he is going to continue at the church. That seems to be the teaching of that particular church other wise the elders would have put a stop to all that hatred and asked Wright to leave a long time ago. I can't believe he plans to continue attending that Church.

Posted by: Nancy | March 17, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

It seems to me that Barack Obama's denunciation of his former minister is inevitably fraught with many problems. I would like to dwell on one alone and that is the fact that many very good and patriotic Americans are convinced that the United States of America need to deal with their past; and they need to do it as soon as possible. What the Minister is reported to have said has been said by many others black and white, both in this country and abroad. We make a terrible mistake whenever we assume that any such language will separate the right from the left and the just from the unjust. It is by now inevitable that we can no longer sustain our regular rhetoric of freedom and liberty for all and the city on the hill and the righteousness that we normally envision for ourselves and then have to justify our evil deeds, our assassinations, our policies of us against them mentality whereby we hold on to our principles but we continue to justify some very rough measures, some right to uphold exceptions to the rule. We are doing this right now with the debate on water boarding; on torture; on waging war when we should not; on whether it is just to spend money abroad when that money would be better spent at home; on whether to be a citizen of this country entitles us to see things the way they are and not be manipulated into thinking the way the powers to be insist we must; we boast we have no governmental propaganda and yet we have already forgotten how many times the government has bought good press and has silenced others to make things look right for the policies it wished to promote. How do you reconcile such behavior? We all know how it is done and we do not like it for the simple reason that it makes our democracy a weaker one or no democracy at all. When Barack Obama denounces his preacher he denounces all of us who are for reason and for a country that refuses to burden itself with the wrong missions around the world. If we did not have to look everywhere for evil doers, if we did not make enemies everywhere we go simply because we are convinced that we alone own the right principles of democracy, we might be able to teach mathematics to our children and not have to apologize as to why we are not first in math. If we did as I and millions of other recommend, we would not have to apologize for the mortgage mess we are in; we would not have to make excuses for some of our policies; we would not have to bamboozle people to make them believe that they have no rights when it comes to health care; that they have no right to real security, one that is not based on how rich you are; that they have no right to justice unless they can afford the best legal services money can buy; we would not have to apologize still for our racist past; we would not be still living the errors of Vietnam and would not continue to manufacture reasons for staying in Iraq and continue to overstay our unlawful welcome there.
When Barack Obama denounces his former preacher he denounces all of us... all of us who would like to believe that he is sincere and that he is a new kind of politician. What is wrong with telling the whole world: Yes! My preacher is right, we have been wrong! We have done wrong! We have had policies that are wrong! And I am here to change all that! Why can he not say that? I know it and you know it! Because he is just another politician! And there is the real problem of this country. In order for him to be elected, he has to denounce his preacher! and we are all the worse for it for that very denunciation demonstrates why we are a long way from being a real democracy. Do not listen to the George Will of this world who boast that this is hog wash.... this is the truest way and the best way to express what America (the United States of America, that is!) is all about. We are sick and tired of being told what it means to be an American, we know best! and millions of us, with every fiber of their body and every drop of blood in their veins will continue to love this country until the politicians see the light as well and amend their ways. America will correct itself and amend its ways or it will perish! Those who have seen the new HBO series John Adams will recognize that the American debate of then has many similarities to what is going on today. I am still hoping that this country - of all the countries of the world - will be the one that makes it to that distant shore of democracy. Let us continue to fight for it in spite of our disappointments in Obama or anyone else.

Posted by: vittorio1 | March 17, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

The Sleuth gave some background but did not complete the investigation.

Obama was a member of that church for 20 years but NEVER heard such a hate sermon from the pastor?

Michelle Obama was not proud of her country until her husband was doing well in the presidential race?

They exposed their young children to such hate?

Wake up America.

Posted by: Kansas28 | March 17, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Now let me get this straight...Barack Obama's former pastor (he's been retired for several months) makes an ill-considered remark in the sanctity of his church, and Obama is called out in the public pulpit and made out to be somehow responsible for it. Huh!

The Pastor says damn America for the Bigotry and Racial Animosity of White people (I'm White and a Republican and voted for Bush -Gag! in the last election) which is still Riff in our society, and conservative Republicans don't like like to be reminded of their failings and the Media sees at least three or four weeks of coverage they can blow it up to.

John McCain is on the other hand given a pass by the media when several lunatic right-wing Christian ministers who have annointed him spew anti-gay, anti-woman, anti-Arab, anti-Semitic, anti-Catholic, anti-science anti-human bile from their pulpits, networks and talk shows; summon the wrath of their god on the Muslim world; and call for the assassination of foreign leaders -- and the Republican presidents and politicians who consort with them not only get off scot free, they get away with branding the media as liberal. What a world...What a World...

Bill W.

Posted by: William Wheeler | March 17, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

My question is simple, "How would you react if a candidate went to KKK meetings for 20 years?" I am offended that he ignored other Americans' feelings while saying he has good judgment. How do you think other European, Asian, Middle Eastern, African, and South American countries will react to this chink in his armor? Will they value him more? I think not. Foreign countries do not disregard slaps in ones face. These actions put him back on the state-level politics not on the international stage.

Posted by: solar | March 17, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse


The media will decide who will become the next president of the US. Pathetic!

Posted by: caesarganz | March 17, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Irrational and cynical for the clinton Campaign to place Senator Obama in a disjuntive to choose between his values and his roots. He is d'm if he does, He is d'm is he does not. Mrs cinton is Using Senator Obama as a tool against his own people.

Mrs Clinton Campaign is raping with no scruples the sanctity of the history and culture of the black people's church.

The "inflamatory" coments by reverend Wright are nothing but the result of the bakground from slavery that the Pastor is using for cohesion of the church.

Once the American people grasp the issue it will fire back against her.

voters from pennsylvania be aware

I am a latinamerican woman and I do not belong to any church denomination.

Posted by: Alma Ludivina | March 17, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I have never believed in following a "Pied Piper" nor a "demigod." They always wind up with "feet of clay". All it takes is utilizing one's intuition and instincts, if you realize and use them, wisely.

With every "rise", there comes a "fall", that's the way of the world and it's necessary to suffer these "ups and downs", for it is only through humility, suffering and regret that we can grow as individuals.

If "someone seems too good to be true", he or she usually is! I have never been impressed with Barack Obama, he has never inspired me by his rhetoric or his oratorical skills.

I instinctively felt that this was a man of "huge ambition", but little else to recommend him and I could not cast a vote for Obama, rather, give me Hillary Clinton, at least she has been "in the trenches" and is a multi-layered person, much more complicated than others can see or understand. Do not denigrate her intelligence, for she is a brilliant woman and is more capable of being President than the other two candidates.

Posted by: caution | March 17, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Kansas28: "Michelle Obama was not proud of her country until her husband was doing well in the presidential race?"

Complete lie. So... do you repeat GOP propaganda because you're one of them, or because you're one of the short-sighted Hillarybots who think resorting to right wing tactics is OK when it's your candidate doing it?

Posted by: Tim B | March 17, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Does this excerpt from Bill Clinton's speech support Rev. Wright's rhetoric?

But I have to tell that in these last days it has come home to me again, something I first learned as President, but it wasn't burned in my bones -- and that is that in order to get it, you have to be willing to give it. And all of us -- the anger, the resentment, the bitterness, the desire for recrimination against people you believe have wronged you -- they harden the heart and deaden the spirit and lead to self-inflicted wounds.
And so it is important that we are able to forgive those we believe have wronged us, even as we ask for forgiveness from people we have wronged.
And I heard that first -- first -- in the civil rights movement. "Love thy neighbor as thyself

http://australianpolitics.com/usa/clinton/speeches/980828king.shtml

Posted by: cn | March 17, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Does Mrs. Clinton support Rev. Wright in this speech?

I want to lead a great effort to fight discrimination in the workplace. A recent study found a shocking fact. Employers were twice as likely to hire a white applicant with the very same qualifications as a black applicant. And even hired at a greater percentage, white applicants with criminal records over black applicants without one. Anyone who says that we have gotten beyond racial discrimination is not living with their eyes open. I believe we have to shine a bright light on any discrimination, whether it be against people of color or against women and make sure that we truly fulfill our laws, not just by the letter but by the spirit.
We need to provide a high quality education for every single child, and I want to have a universal pre-kindergarten program that is especially focused on children from disadvantaged backgrounds, I heard the Mayor talking about that. We know that if children get a good quality pre-school education, they stay in school, they do better, and the evidence is overwhelming that with a good quality pre-school program in our country we would cut by 50% the achievement gap between black and white youngsters by the time they graduated from high school.
They're aware that we have an income gap that has grown like a chasm in our country. Between the very very best off in America and all the rest of us, and it's a gap that is even greater between African Americans and white Americans. We have a health care gap. The access to health care is not even in our nation, we all know that. The rates for disease and the failure to treat those diseases is a disparity that we should not tolerate. We have an achievement gap between the rates of graduation and access to higher education, between the gleaming corridors of suburban schools and the deplorable conditions along the corridor of shame
Reverend Darby referred to the disparity in sentencing when it comes to cocaine. Well, that is just one of the disparities.15% of drug users in America are African American, but African Americans make up 53% of all drug offenders sent to prison. So how do we close all of these gaps? How do we move forward toward a more perfect union? Continue that progress that has been the hallmark but we cannot let it stop now
We need to provide a high quality education for every single child, and I want to have a universal pre-kindergarten program that is especially focused on children from disadvantaged backgrounds, I heard the Mayor talking about that. We know that if children get a good quality pre-school education, they stay in school, they do better, and the evidence is overwhelming that with a good quality pre-school program in our country we would cut by 50% the achievement gap between black and white youngsters by the time they graduated from high school.
Because if you are a child in a crumbling school along the corridor of shame, you are invisible. And if you're a young man caught in the brutal revolving door of low skills, no jobs, and a justice system stacked against you, you're invisible as well. If you're a mother without health care, a father without a job, a family that can't get by on the minimum wage, well, you're invisible, too. If you're a voter, turned away from the polls for no good reason or voting on a broken machine that doesn't even record your vote, you're invisible. And if you're stuck on a rooftop or stranded at the Super Dome during a hurricane, you're invisible to this president, even when you're on CNN.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/speech/view/?id=4117

Posted by: cn | March 17, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a great orator, a lawyer, I saw his interview on AC360 on CNN and agree that he can manipulate things very easily.He distance himself from his pastor and same time try to justifiy his rehotric that his pastor has gone through 62 America. After the inerview AC asked the expert "Do you buy what he(Obama) says?. Which in plain english is that he is lying.

Posted by: Sudhir Malik | March 17, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama has no choice but the denunciation of Jeremiah Wright because of his repeated remarks on race and class in America. The remarks distract from a campaign that has focused on uplifting issues and unmask some ugly truths about American society. A politician should be politic. Wright is not.

I am a secular African American woman. I attend church because I like the music. My chosen music and hence my choice of worship is formal and leans toward classical. I abandoned the emotionalism of the sort of worship practiced in Barack Obama's church many years ago in favor of a more reasoned approach to religion. That said, I clearly remember some of the most powerful sermons of my active church youth and their focus on political empowerment and an exhortation to the congregation to use all available means to empower and enfranchise ourselves. There were fiery rants against the whites who would prevent us from voting and who would keep black people in their places - underfoot. This was 30 years ago and all was reminiscent of Dr. Martin Luther King. Sadly, the realities of life have changed little for a large segment of the populace of this our beloved United States.

I am from the rural south, where whites had power and money and blacks did not. Now, in the area from whence I hail, whites still have power and money and a select elite group of blacks shares some of this fortune. The vast majority of the African American population in this area is still disparately and desperately poor and powerless. They suffer the added burden of drug addiction and its associated crime and moral degeneration. Crack is common as are heroin and marijuana. Most people either have served time in prison or are closely related to someone who has. The young suffer from a profound sense of hopelessness founded on the sure knowledge that escape from this situation will at the least be extremely difficult and cost prohibitive, and if accomplished will result in alienation from all that they know of their lives and the links with their families and the past. The choice becomes then, to repeat the cycle and live in poverty and moral squalor, or to escape to the alien white world, in their eyes cold and unwelcoming. A few join the elite blacks at the top of the local food chain but still trapped in perpetuating a morally corrupt system destined to keep the black masses in check at the bottom of that chain.

The dynamic is not so different in urban America. Jeremiah Wright is a spokesperson for those at the bottom of the food chain. When he speaks forcefully about unquestioning loyalty of the United States to Israel, he echoes a hushed but mainstream question of America. We accept that Israel is correct without examination of the Palestinian reality. Reverend Wright is not the only voice in the world to question Israeli solidarity with South Africa during apartheid, its treatment of its Arab citizens, and its treatment of black sub-Saharan and Palestinian Jews. On these and other issues, U. S. treatment of Israel at least deserves examination.

Likewise, when the Reverend Wright proclaims that the United States is responsible for the events of September 11, 2001, he is stating an opinion widely held in many communities both here in the United States and abroad. Had the United States not played favorites with one despotic regime after another in the Islamic world (and other cultures as well) casting our fortunes with the Shah of Iran, then Saddam Hussein, then the Mujahadin, then the corrupt royal Saudi family to name a portion of our foibles, much of the Islamic world would not have been enraged at our hubris. It is possible that Al Quaida would have attacked at any rate but it would certainly have changed the canvas onto which the attacks were drawn. We may have avoided the rapid rise of religious fundamentalism entirely. We will never know.

As to the most incendiary (my opinion) portion of Pastor Wright's sermonizing the "don't say God Bless America, Say God d. America" bit, my interpretation is that he was pointing out the many injustices America has failed to correct. We should be damning not blessing the behavior of our country when it is leading us into fights that are morally wrong. We have enslaved blacks. We have made war without provocation. We have disenfranchised large segments of our population. We do not take care of the physical needs of our citizens or its military veterans. Some of these statements are subjective. Most rely on pure objective fact. We cannot say God bless America until we as a nation, and specifically, we as black Americans and as white people who are of good conscience can strive to make it a nation which is morally correct in its treatment of all of its citizens rich and poor, urban and rural, gentile and Jew, black and white. Though Obama may be biracial, his appearance is undeniably black. There can be no argument that at least on that level Obama understands the challenges of racism from a more personal level than Hillary Clinton ever can. The fact that Wright in the pulpit says words like n...r, and G. d. serve to make his comments more eye-popping. Use of such language serves to make a lasting impression on the listener. It is inflammatory. This should not detract from the fact that there is truth in much of what he says.

I still sing "God Bless America" because I believe in the hope of what we can be, but I am not so foolish as to think that we are yet a nation worthy of all of God's blessings. We have much to accomplish. America has been politely not saying much of what Jeremiah Wright shouts about on Sunday. It feels racist when he says it. Maybe some of it is, or maybe it just hurts because it is true.


Posted by: rb | March 17, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

a lot of what the reverend said is true...americans need to look at themselves objectively, you have an awful human rights record, the us government creates war and chaos to suport the us economy..south america in the seventies, eighties, africa/asia in the nineties and now the middles east....the govt supports china despite its despotic government and is more concerned with oil than human rights. the furore over the reverend's comments says more about the state of free speech in your great country than it does about Barack Obama.

Posted by: smithgillirish | March 17, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

I do not how how tightly knit the Trinity Church membership is, but the idea that these sermons were unknown to Obama till they were broadcast by FOX is ridiculous. If somone at my church said any such things, EVERYONE would hear about it. It is even more disturbing if Obama was present and did not walk out. I'm sure he caught wind of it. That Obama didn't find a new church immediatly is inexcusable for someone who wishes to lead our great country.
Is Reverand Wright a Racist? Yes. Is he a hateful person? At least in part. Has he done good is Chicago? Probably quite a bit of good in some of his work. But the hateful, anti-Ameircan rehtoric of Wright is highly distrubing, and completely contrary to the teachings of Jesus Christ.
When you combine Obama's patronage of Trinity Church, his close rerlationship to Wright, and his wife's "I've never been proud of America" statement, we see a better picture of a man not fit to be our President.

Posted by: John | March 17, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know if Rev. Wright's church produced thousands of racists in his church and Chicago community? Do you know if they are lurking the streets and their places of employment to secretly devour those who wronged them?

Does anyone know why Obama could be elected to the Illinois Senate, his home state, and no one seemed to judge him by the church he attended?

Obama's church seems to address some of the social issues that can provide Americans now and for generations to come with resources which can make them productive and independent citizens.This church is trying to save taxpayers' money. This church has members/former members who offer scholarships to youth. This church is likely to reduce the number of individuals for our society to complain about?

http://www.tucc.org/home.htm Wright

I'm disappointed that the professional reporters did not give us this information to show the positive side of Wright's church. I plan to check out things for my self in the future. I am tired of reporters alarming us from Youtube videos without giving complete coverage of a story. They need to take time to thoroughly investigate instead of being controlled by the need to report a story first.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 17, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Dr. Calvin O. Butts III endorsed Clinton.
Should she distance herself from him??

From the NYTimes:

1)http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/16/nyregion/16church.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

2)Throughout the 1992 campaign, Butts continued to criticize the two major parties, telling the New York Times, "The Republicans have ignored people of African descent. The Democrats have taken us for granted." He endorsed little-known independent Ron Daniels while conceding that most blacks would end up voting for Clinton, saying, "The two best reasons for voting for Bill Clinton and Al Gore are [President] George Bush and [Vice president] Dan Quayle."

3)Certainly, when the issue has suited him, Butts has delivered inflammatory rhetoric. For instance, when cigarette and alcohol manufacturers advertised their products on Harlem billboards in the face of evidence that their products were harming blacks disproportionately to the rest of the population, Butts called on them to stop. When they refused, he began a program of whitewashing the billboards. Fortune magazine quoted him as saying of G. Heileman Brewing, manufacturer of a malt liquor with high alcohol content that is favored by blacks, "This is obviously a company that has no sense of moral or social responsibility."

Check out NYTimes stories on this controversial social gospel minister.
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/b/calvin_o_butts_iii/index.html

Posted by: cn | March 17, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

In regards to Wright's ignorance about Jesus being a "po' black man".

Every "Jew", biblical or current stature are a race of people, Being a Jew is not just a religion, people tend to forget that FACT. Even though no racial characteristics are forthcoming in the bible,
it is written in scripture that Mary and Joseph were listed in King Herod's kingdom as Jews' for tax purposes- because King Herod liked to collect his money from the Jewish population.
Nubian's as Blacks were referred to in biblical times were not subject to tax collection. Nubian's at the time were not privileged to consort with the Pharisees, and the other Jewish tribes,
NO ONE other than a JEW (a race of people again) were allowed to teach and preach in the TEMPLE. If Jesus wasn't a JEW as you would like to believe then he wouldn't have been brought before the SANHEDRIN
(Jewish court) for crimes against the Jewish people. The SANHEDRIN didn't try people of other races or faiths.
Jeremiah Wright also says that Barack was raised in a single parent household (A blanket lie).
His mother was married to two separate men, both Muslim, both not poor, then he was sent to his white
grandparents to be raised, two grandparents not one, who paid an exorberant amount of money to educate him at a private prep school in Hawaii.
This seems pretty privileged to me. He also fails to acknowledge the
reason his mother was a single white parent is because her Arab-Negro husband abandoned her and his son, so why doesn't Wright blame the Arab-Negro man instead of the rich white oppressors-they didn't birth
Obama.
His post high school education was also paid for by the US government because of his "African" heritage.
No one gave me a free ride for my education. The last time I checked, Barack and His wife were
living in a 2 million dollar house-again... don't see anything underprivileged there. As for his statements about Hillary--A white woman, who's gender didn't get the right to vote until after
African-American men. Women to this day, still don't receive an equal salary compared to their male counterparts. Womens issues are still repressed today, and oppressed all over the world.
She may not have been called the "N" word, but she has been called equally bad names or worse. No one gave her a free ride for her education either. Her parents were neither rich nor priviledged,
they were middle class who worked hard for what they earned.--And finally, Jeremiah would like y'all to believe that African-Americans have suffered the worst kind of oppression in history.
(Really, my ancestor's paid the ultimate price-their lives in Europe for being a certain race) They are still paying the ultimate price and oppression in this country and all over the world simply
because they are JEWS.
Oh how we long for the days when all we had to worry about was, whom was servicing Bill under the oval office desk!!

Posted by: Joan | March 17, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Obama can win without hillary's baggage, but hillary can't win without Barack's positive appeal. That is why she is tearing him down and doing the Devil's work by Attacking his CHURCH! How Evil is Hillary! How Low to Attack a Man's Church! I bet Hillary is responsible for the IRS investigating the Denomination. The IRS is investigating the Denomination Only because BARACK spoke at the National Denomination Meeting. However, he was invited Many Months before he announced his candidacy. The IRS only started investigating after Barack started beating Hillary Badly in the Elections.
Those few Comments by the Pastor were taken out of context. Prophets have always pronounced damnation and Hellfire and Brimstone on Sinful Kings. King George Bush deserves to hear the prophets condemn his arrogance. Even Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. condemned the War in Vietnam in very strong language. Jerry Falwell and other Televangelists also came out after 9-11 and said America was Sinful and must repent. Why is that when a White Evangelical says a Disaster is a Judgement from God he is a Prophet, but when a BLACK Prophet says God Judged America somehow he is Racist? That is ridiculous. Everything Pastor Jeremiah Wright Said was True in the Ears of Black People. Hillary and White Racists don't have a problem until Black People act as they do and speak thier mind about the RACIAL Issues facing this Country. If you can't stand HONEST CRITICISM then don't ask for the TRUTH. IF you CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH about American History and Hillary's baggage and Jealousy of Barack's Success then Don't pretend that it is a problem with the Messenger, just remember you have a problem with the Message and of the Prophets that Quote the Bible and tell you that You MUST Love Your Neighbors (Your Black Neighbors if you would allow your Racist White Daughters to have Black Neighbors.) Hillary Didn't grow Up Loving Black People. She was a Republican Girl. A GoldWater Girl. Yes, she Changed, but her old Racist Instincts have surfaced when Barack beat her fair and square so she has to destroy his message, destroy his Pastor and Destroy his Church and Bring the IRS to Destroy the Denomination so she can win what her Racist Mind thinks she is entitled to have that even other White Folks Reject. Race is still an issue, but even more so when Black People are Winning. (Tiger Woods, OJ, you name it. If they were white you wouldn't have any problems with thier winning).

Posted by: You-Can't-Handle-The-Truth. Jesus is Black | March 17, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

I find it interesting that Obama sought out this church when he moved to Chicago...maybe for political reasons since he had ambitions to be a state senator.

He knew this might cause controversy when he decided to run for president...reason he declined his invitation to Pastor Wright to give a prayer when he announced his candidacy in Springfield.
Several weeks ago, he told a group of Jewish people, "Pastor Wright is like an old uncle who says....."
For him to tell the American people he had no idea of some of the disturbing sermons Wright has given seems very far fetched to me.
Obama claims he is a breath of fresh air and will change DC. Sounds like he is just another politician to me.

Posted by: concerned | March 18, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

There was once a candidate who claimed to be the best in exercising JUDGEMENT............

It is starting to be quite repetitive how now Obama is starting to have so many LAPSES IN JUDGEMENT!!!!

The glimpses that we have of Obama's pastor and church are quite revealing. As well, how it is downplayed by some of the folks. Providing excuses for this Pastor as a deliverer of social justice. It is troublesome that this kind of culture and moral values could be prevalent in these churches within our communities.

No one can say in our country that all things are well. A lot of us agree to the sensitivities of the struggles of the black folks in this country and it is acknowledged that we have faced slavery and racism in the past and that racism exists today.

This DOES NOT excuse this behavior of hatred and intolerance being fostered by a Pastor to his followers. I cannot understand how any of this vile vitriol could be accepted as part of the christian way of life of any of these individuals.

I see Obama's repudiation of this Pastor's statements as ONLY a political maneuver. The fact that he moves to do this confirms to me that he will stoop to anything to get what he wants. Who can think that in the 20 years that Obama attended this church he NEVER heard this Pastor speak in this manner? Will this be another LAPSE in JUDGEMENT when he suddenly remembers that he forgot the many times that he and his family sat and listened to this same speech?

It is a SAD commentary to see this candidate fall from grace and reveal himself for what he really is: another politician who will resort to any LIES to seek his goal.

In the frenzy of these last news no one has paid attention to the meeting Obama had with Chicago newspapers about his another LAPSE IN JUDGEMENT on his relationship with Rezco. He revealed that he did not indicate before the extent of this relationship.

So, my question is : How many more LAPSES IN JUDGEMENT are we going to see? Will it be too late for us democrats to realize that you ARE NOT what you claim to be? Are we going to support such a RISK?

Here we go again, the Democrats lose another election!!!

Posted by: Hispana | March 18, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

Obama supporters keep saying that he should not be responsible for whay someone else says, with that I agree. BUT, he chose to stay in that church for 20 years and that judgement is what I have a problem with. If I ever heard something remotely close to what Rev. Wright spewed I would not return to that church and would certainly not allow my children to be exposed to it.

Posted by: Christine | March 18, 2008 6:44 AM | Report abuse

Omama had 20 years to denonce and repudiate Wright, he didn't. However, seems as though Michelle has learned a few things to admire about Wright.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 18, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Barack Hussein was retrieved for Christianity by Jeremiah Wright. And Barack Hussein associated with this pastor for 20 YEARS. Wright has been spewing his hate rhetoric for even longer. Can anyone believe Barack Hussein when he claims he NEVER heard the hate speeches of Wright, unless he slept through all sermons for over 20 YEARS. And boy wonder's "beautiful wife" Michelle found America worthy of being "proud of" only when Barack Hussein started leading the polls. Maybe she will start hating America as a devotee of Wright when Barack Hussein either loses the Democratic nomination or gets thrashed by McCain in November!

Every statement, gesture, appearance, emotion of Hillary gets criticized, lampooned and denounced as hypocrisy by big media which has sprung to Barack Hussein's defense with great alacrity. Now media assists will do Barack Hussein no good as voters have seen through his facade as a preachy orator with no substance. Like a movie actor who plays to the script but who is empty otherwise. He will face certain defeat either at the hands of Hillary or McCain. He will then have plenty of time to commiserate with Wright!!

Posted by: Espi | March 18, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Now that presidential candidates are being compelled to renounce, reject, repudiated, disown, disclaim the fanatical ravings spewed by pastors of churches they have attended, other politicians, news commentators and pundits ought to do same as regards the Godless twists in the annals of their mainstream religions.

To wit:

--The thousands of alleged heretics racked, dismembered, burned at the stake, fried in oil by the Roman Catholic Church; the Church's pagan worship of icons, in blatant violation of the First Commandment; their high incidence of pedophile priests.

--The witch hunts and attendant torture and executions, mainly of menopausal women, perpetrated by Protestant churches during the Reformation. "I should not have compassion on these witches. I would burn all of them," declared Martin Luther. And John Calvin had no qualm about arranging the slow roasting of anyone who dared question his theology.

--The racist teachings of the Mormon Church. As narrated in the Book of Mormon, the good guys, the Nephites, were fair-skinned, whereas the bad guys, the Lamanites, being descendants of Cain, were punished by God with a dark skin. (Nephi 5:21, Alma 3:6) According to Brigham Young the "flat nose and black skin" of African Americans were likewise the stigma of Cain. It wasn't until 1978 that an African American was accepted into the Church priesthood. Then there's the Church's history of polygamy and sexism. Only two women figure in the Book of Mormon, and only in minor roles.

--The genocidal mandates of the Hebrew Jehovah in the Old Testament (Joshua 11; I Samuel 15:1-35). The disparaging comments against Gentiles in the Jewish Babylonian Talmud: "All Gentile children are like animals (Baba Kamma 113.a), "Gentiles prefer sex with cows" (Abodah Zarah 22 a.)

--The degrading treatment of women and barbaric problem-solving tactics of Muslim fundamentalists.

All man-made religions under the sun have their dark, irrational side. As Voltaire so well put it: "Religion was created when the first scoundrel met the first fool."

F. Romero

Posted by: Felipe Romero | March 18, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

God i am sooooo tired of blacks.
they should all be ashamed of each other.
They talk too much.
Act like wild animals jumping and humping
Never take responsibility
Are violent
Arrogant
selfish
pathetic

Posted by: tbone | March 18, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

His speech encourages us to think about how we view each other on a personal level.

Does a teacher see a student or does a teacher see the color of a student first?

Does a doctor see a patient or does a doctor see the color of a person first?

Do I see my neighbor as a white neighbor or a black neighbor?

Despite what our histories are, to make progress, we have to go beyond the color of the skin and come together to solve common problems.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 18, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Well well well! I see that aside from being a spin master, and along with selling 'hope' Obama has now become a baloney vendor! A vote for this hyhpocrite is a vote for disaster!

Posted by: Astro | March 18, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I am wondering about Obama's PARENTAL

JUDGEMENT in allowing his TWO YOUNG IMPRESSIONALBE GIRLS to attend a church where Rev. Wright gyrates on the pulpit, making a fist, simulating a sex act (being pushed from behind by a congregant)-- while screaming: "Bill Clinton loves black folk, yah, he is riding us like he did Monica!"....

Any sane decent father or mother would have grabbed their children and walked out of that Church of Hate without a moment's hesitation. No need to even question his Presidential "Judgment". Not necessary.
Shame. And I have yet to see anyone concerned about this form of CHILD ABUSE abuse, exposing children to profanities and hatred in Church!

Shame on you, Obama!

Posted by: sakel | March 19, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

I remeber watching a news report some years ago about white children who were exposed to bigoted hate speeches. I was disgusted. Now we need to look at the children being exposed to this same bigoted hate of others and country by none other than-----a man who wants to be our President.

Posted by: kay | March 19, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

Obama proved he can hit a curve ball. His critics talk about lack of experience but it is clear that this guy can hit big league pitching. He was faced with a mini-crisis and not only did he rise to the occasion - he transcended it. He turned this strongly negative episode into a real positive. He has used this "firestorm" (his word) to honestly address the subject of race in America.

In his speech last night, he took a chance: he talked to us like adults. He did not duck and cover - he leveled with us; no... he did more than leveling with us. He showed us a better way. Instead of pretending that everyone's political correctness was genuine, he openly discussed the challenge we have as Americans concerning race. He pointed to a better future. One, in which, we overcome our divided past - not deny it or try to cover its stench with the perfume of PC.

Other, typical politicians, would have thrown Rev. Wright under the bus and did their utmost to evade this firestorm. Obama did not do that. He confronted it head on - honestly. And fearlessly.
Obama stood by his long-time friend while denouncing his outlandish rhetoric. Of critical importance, however, is the fact that Obama went further than just denouncing those inflammatory statements of Wright; Obama openly challenged us, all Americans (black, white, Hispanic and Asian) to face racism, and what's more, to work toward reconciliation and resolution. We can do better.

Obama, last night, gave us an indication of how he would handle a crisis if he were President. It is clear to me that we Americans would be in good hands with him at the helm.

Events threw Obama a hard slider on the outside corner of the plate and he hit a rocket into the left field bleachers.

Posted by: AdrickHenry | March 19, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

It appears that many of you would rather bury your heads in the sand, along with our current president. Yes, we do still have a race problem and it's time to address it. Thank God for Obama

Posted by: TM | March 19, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

AdrickHenry,

Obama speech was good and I would give him credit had he not been smoked out. He had to come out and discuss race because he had been slammed for the pass two weeks. Had he told the truth when asked was he ever in the midst of Rev Wright's vitrolic speeches, he replied no. Then he comes out in his famous speech and admits everything.

Barack has ruined his credibility and he just can't be trusted. He has been caught in several lies ie., Rezko. He first said he only worked on Rezko's case for 5 hours and come to find out he has a 20 year relationship with this criminal.

Barack's judgement is flawed and for him to come out with a great speech is hypicrital. After all, he is known for great speeches and he certainly delivered a home run, but he did not stop the bleeding.

Stick a fork in Barack, he is done.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 19, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

To the last poster "Stick a fork" you obviously have your head up you A_ _.

Posted by: TM | March 19, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe this is even up for discussion. This presidential candidate attends a church where the pastor says "GOD DAMN AMERICA!" with venom dripping from his mouth...and Americans are actually defending this candidate???

Something's VERY wrong with this picture.

And I'm sorry...somethng that's small but bothering me for months: Obama sounds too much like Osama.

I'm glad the fraud was caught before he was nominated and/or elected.

Posted by: ManhattanLatin | March 20, 2008 12:14 AM | Report abuse

"mocked up youtube video" have some class washingtonpost.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 20, 2008 1:23 AM | Report abuse

Yes, I just need to state something on Obama, as a true supporter till now.

I was truly fired up about the potential this man could offer us as change in this country and abroad. I certainly am not a Hillary supporter, nor a McCain. But, I read an article this week after seeing Obama on "The View" who was very fidgety beyond believe, but who wouldn't be with Hasselhoff there! ...LOL!

The article I read is: "You are the Company you keep". After finishing this article and realizing Obama denies nor believes Rev Wright ever said these things. Yet Wright married him, and baptized both Obama's kids. Need I say, if Hillary or McCain had a pastor that said these things, believe me, Obama, Martin King Jr, Rev. Jackson, Al Sharpton would require them to step down. Think about it, we all know this would be true, absolutely!

I know racism is real in this world. Certainly, this present administration is. I don't think there is an easy fix, it's been going on for centuries. But, I would certainly hope Obama would be more adamant against this man, then think it was a one time accidental slip, when common sense person knows better than that.

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That is why America is going down, because Christianity in America is messed up, like the social gospel of Wright, and the politicking of ministers in the country. Christianity should first and foremost be separate to politics.

China is rising because the secret is the millions of true Christians who are being persecuted and have remained true. It is the same with India. The time of the West is over. It is the time of the Asian Century!

What America was will never be again. America has forgotten its roots, the Pilgrim Fathers, the faith of their heroes. They have forgotten that what made them great was Biblical Christianity

Thank God I'm Asian.

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