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Pelosi Responds to Clinton Donors' Threat

Indirectly responding to a threat made by top fundraisers for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi pledged Friday to "do whatever it takes to protect" Democratic House candidates from falling victim to the exceedingly nasty and protracted Democratic presidential primary.

"We can't allow the tension and pressures of a spirited Presidential contest to spill over and harm hard-working Democratic candidates running to strengthen our Democratic majority in the House," Pelosi wrote in an e-mail sent to a vast list of Democratic donors and supporters. "I will do whatever it takes to protect our candidates and make sure their campaigns to drive change forward don't skip a beat."

And Pelosi urged potential donors to make a contribution to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee before the March 31st deadline for the current fundraising quarter.

Her appeal comes two days after a group of 20 Clinton backers sent a letter to Pelosi chastising her public position that superdelegates should support the will of the people -- in other words, vote for the candidate with the most pledged delegates.

The Clinton donors also implicitly raised the possibility that they would withhold donations to the DCCC unless Pelosi changes her tune on superdelegates.

"We have been strong supporters of the DCCC," the group wrote in its letter to Pelosi. "We therefore urge you to clarify your position on super-delegates and reflect in your comments a more open view to the optional independent actions of each of the delegates at the National Convention in August."

In her e-mail, marked as "sent wirelessly via Blackberry," Pelosi told donors it's important for them to give to the DCCC so that whoever wins the Democratic nomination -- Clinton or Barack Obama -- will have a "strong Democratic majority in the House to work with as we undo the damage from President Bush's failed economic policies."

Not only is Pelosi not backing off her belief that superdelegates should vote with the will of the voters, she's clearly out to ensure that House Democrats don't get burned by a presidential primary that seems to be turning nastier and more vindictive with each passing day.

"We can't allow the tension and pressures of a spirited Presidential contest to spill over and harm hard-working Democratic candidates running to strengthen our Democratic majority in the House," Pelosi said.

By Mary Ann Akers  |  March 28, 2008; 4:00 PM ET
 
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Hillary Clinton needs to begin to prepare her exit from the race... Several sources in her own camp admit that she has virtually no chance of winning the nomination except if she succeeds in finding James Hoffa's body and moving it in Obama's flower garden to put the blame on him.

Since there is little chance for the body to be found, she makes all these negative assertions. The goal seems to be the 2012 election. By putting enough doubts on Obama, Hillary is hoping that he will lose to McCain and that she or Chelsea (who is also an experienced leader after her journey at the White House mansion) will be able to run in 2012. The Clintons might then be able to capitalize again with the rental of the Lincoln Bedroom to big lobbyists.

Whatever happens, since the Judas story with Richardson, we know that Hillary believes in ressurection; she or her husband Bill would be Jesus if I understood correctly the story. So, we can assume that Hillary will not hesitate to play the kamikaze with this election or the next one since she will probably reborn again, as the savior.

Hillary Clinton needs to begin to prepare her exit from the race before she hurts herself or others.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 28, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

What a mess this is. I understand we have the two most liberal candidates because of the primary system, but why did the Demorats put Pelosi in charge? The Democratic Party is so good at shooting themselves in the foot. www.goodoleboybumperstickers.com

Posted by: Brad | March 28, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Hillary appeals to the lesser educated among us. It shows, it really shows.

Posted by: gmundenat | March 28, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Here is a message for Nazi Pelosi...

Be very careful.

Posted by: randymk1 | March 28, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is an excellent sttateswoman..politician....has an international foerign presence....Pelosi for V.P......OBAMA/PELOSI 08

Posted by: blairtimothyb4 | March 28, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Nancy needs to chill! She behaves badly and plays dirty. Hey Nancy...give all the people the vote. You keep acting like you are doing the right thing. People put you there and I personally would like to see them take it away from you. Where can I donate!! The Dems will pay heavily for not allowing all to vote!

Posted by: kt | March 28, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

You don't "win" an election by demanding the other candidate step down....that does nothing to instill confidence in the voting public.

Posted by: Registered nonpartisan | March 28, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Who is going to tell Hillary that even her former supporters are starting to hate her? Shame on Howard Dean for allowing Hillary to campaign in a way that damages both candidates changes to beat grandpa McLame.

Posted by: KC | March 28, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

This is, in microcosm, a fight for the heart and soul of the Democratic Party. There should be no punches pulled in this fight and the superdelegates should quit trying to duck their responsibilities!!!

Posted by: numbnuts777 | March 28, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I think the crux of the matter is that Clinton supporters feel there could be enough voters remorse attached to Obama that the delegates should be free to revisit the support that Obama received in the initial primaries. The Wright controversy, according to several polls continuously, leads one to believe that permanent damage was done to Obama and a lot of his support has flown south. If this is the case, delegates voting according to a previous majority vote might be a mistake.

Posted by: McCainocrat | March 28, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Hillary will not be a viable candidate in 2012. She is damaged goods, a loser. On top of that, a large segment of the democratic core will never vote for her again. She may note even get re-elected to Congress.

Posted by: Hal | March 28, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

As a young woman I got o lot of respect for Nancy Pelosi. She stand on her own feet to get where she is today, not like Hillary Clinton. Hillary stand on her husband's lap and still has problem to get where she wants to go. She stand on his lap for so long that she forgot Monica Lewinsky was under his lap.
And as a young woman I also feel sorry for Chelsea Clinton. She needs to grown up, she is 28 year old woman and isn't a teenage kid anymore. As 28 years old woman, she should able to handle and answer questions about her parents sex affair. Mr. Clinton, campaigning for his wife in West Virginia today, said: "If a football player doesn't want to get tackled or want the risk of an occasional clip she/he shouldn't put the pads on." Chelsea Clinton should listen to her father advised.

Posted by: Pelosi supporter | March 28, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

What a bunch of whiners from Dean on down. The Democrats got themselves into this mess with the super delegate fiasco and now we are seeing the results of their mis adventure. Clinton will not just go away and pelosi and dean know that.

Posted by: Jazzman47 | March 28, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Well said logan6!

Posted by: bill | March 28, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

As much as I hate it, we must be patient. As a true Democrat, I hope Obama wins. Yet, he won't win without Hillary actively supporting him. Conversely, Hillary can't win without Obama's help.

This needs to play out in a civil fashion to the end. There must be no doubt in anyone's mind.

In the mean time, we all should make sure the focus is on defeating McBush not each other.

Posted by: jdm3ct | March 28, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe that Hillary supporters are still on the attack. They have been escalating the fight and it is very clear now that the Clinton team will do ANYTHING to win -- even attack other Democrats. It would seem that the "Tonya Harding" approach that Democratic Party operatives have spoken about under deep anonymity is coming to light.

For Hillary she's either the candidate, or she brings everyone in the party down that she can in the process. SHAME!

Posted by: Chris | March 28, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Where are the hardworking Democrats in the House she is talking about? Pelosi is a joke even to her own party. She needs to step down and quit embarrassing herself.

Posted by: Ron | March 28, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

This situation of kind of blackmailing Pelosi and the Democratic Party to their liking is ludicrous and outrageous by those Clinton's donors. But at the same tine I am not surprised coming from the Clinton's campaign.
She needs to quit and realize that this is not an aristocratic lineage system where the entire family feels entitled to the crown.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 28, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

I think its great to see those liberal socialists fighting and putting each other down. Keep at it, so everyone can see the truth about the democratic party. But NP is correct they should vote the will of the people and the fact that the Clintons are trying to manipulate that is nothing short of criminal. Proof the Clintons will do anything say anything be whatever they have to. McCain - PRESIDENT!

Posted by: Bret | March 28, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

As a Canadian, I find the contest compelling. It is probably a good way to test the mettle of the candidates, or "the hotter the fire, the better the metal". The rules should be revisited before 2008 to bring things to closure more quickly in future races.

Posted by: dwight tanner | March 28, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Logan6 | March 28, 2008 04:24 PM

Your post has made my day. It was both factual and full of humour. But knowing Hillary the way we have come to know her, I don't think she will be packing soon. She is going to make sure she does a lot of damage to both the Dem party and her rival before she makes an exit. This should serve a lesson to the party.

The point is that if the Dem party does not act soon, the damage to the party will be irreversible. This means that we will end up with the Rep in the White House for another 4 to 8 years and I don't want to think what that will do to America.

Posted by: Hans Khan | March 28, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is better than Hillary; she is a better states woman; she is more principled too.

Posted by: Joeblow | March 28, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

What's good for incumbents is not good for We The People. The less than 20% approval rating of Congress (both Parties) makes them a non-representative and self serving special interest group completely out of touch with America.

Posted by: x32792 | March 28, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Let's stop and think about something for just a moment or two...

Where did we get the idea that the never-ending primary season would be such a swell idea?

The more time the candidates have to play, the more time they have to think up the kind of B.S. that is being flung around.

Next time, lets cut the season in half.

Posted by: Gallery 90 | March 28, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

It's outrageous that donors would be so pushy. Their letter is an example of the very reason the country needs to limit the amount of donations to prevent 'thugs' like this from trying to buy elections. I wonder what they are expecting Hillary will do for them, if she's elected.

Posted by: M.M. | March 28, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Too all fools in Democratics Party, You are going to be crushed by the Republican Party. If you dominate Obama.

Mark my words!

Posted by: NOBAMA | March 28, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm with Judas.

Posted by: trippin | March 28, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

i really like Pelosi- even more than a friend. she's got those crinkly eyes when she laughs. i'd vote for her any day!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 28, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Never before in politics have the Democrats been more "for sale" that right now. The not-so-veiled message from Hillary's supporters - The hell with the will of the people - we'll buy you and the other super-delegates with campaign bribes. How can any person with any kind of conscience vote for these anti-democratic morons? Next thing you know the DNC insiders will be shooting each other and blaming the Republicans!

Posted by: Bill A | March 28, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Somehow, I hoped that the candidates would put the "good" of the party over their own aspirations.I strongly believe that our country can't survive another republican president and remain the country dedicated to the high ideals that we say we ascribe to.With sadness I feel Hilary, with Bill's help, have mortally wounded their campaign. I urge her to gracefully withdraw.

Posted by: dawn badger | March 28, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

these comments support the fact that the dems appeal to lower educated voters...someone please help!!

Posted by: whatsupdoc | March 28, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Together we can win, divided I don't know. If they really care about this country they should not do any damage to each other. I will be behind whoever can rise to that challenge.

Posted by: J Raymond | March 28, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Together we can win, divided I don't know. If they really care about this country they should not do any damage to each other. I will be behind whoever can rise to that challenge.

Posted by: J Raymond | March 28, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi should not get too far ahead of herself just yet. Wait until the Convention when Democratic House Reps from conservative districts around the country are faced with the choice of (1) vote for Obama and plan of running against the Good Reverend Wright in November, or (2) vote for Clinton and know that the 1% of your district that is black will not vote for you. Does anyone really believe that any one of the Democrats in the House are looking forward to casting their Super Delegate vote this summer?

Posted by: Typical White Person for McCain | March 28, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Demmies!

Yer goin' down............
down, down, down, down.............

Posted by: fred doble | March 28, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi should not get too far ahead of herself just yet. Wait until the Convention when Democratic House Reps from conservative districts around the country are faced with the choice of (1) vote for Obama and plan of running against the Good Reverend Wright in November, or (2) vote for Clinton and know that the 1% of your district that is black will not vote for you. Does anyone really believe that any one of the Democrats in the House are looking forward to casting their Super Delegate vote this summer?

Posted by: Typical White Person for McCain | March 28, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Yay, Madam Speaker Nancy Pelosi! If those billionaires threaten, we've got your back and we'll come together with enough small donations to surpass them. We voted for a reason! The people will be heard!

Posted by: Sally | March 28, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton what a mess is this? shame to you,is time for you to jump out like a frog.Maybe Clinton is looking to be Barack Obama vice but is impossible for her after all insult she gave Obamania publicly,it seen she is a greedy politicial?Yes, we all witness it because by there words we shall know them.

Posted by: Clinton Enemy | March 28, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Why won't the uncommitted superdelegates tip their hand? Haven't they seen and heard enough from both candidates over the past year to make an informed decision NOW so that we can avoid a potential disaster at the convention? What more could either candidate say or do at this point to persuade or dissuade them?
Are the uncommitted superdelegates just super slow to make up their minds or are they holding out in the hope of brokering a deal that would benefit them personally?
Let's at least take a straw poll so we, the people, can see toward which candidate each "super" is leaning.

Posted by: Sean Pierce | March 28, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Given that there's no chance for Hillary to win; there's many theories as to why she keeps running, since it's obviously hurting the Democratic party, and she has no chance to win.

One guess is that she hopes to so injure Obama that he loses to McCain, and she can run again in 2012.

I'm wondering if it's something a lot more shabby than that (and that's pretty shabby!)

Is Hillary still in this race simply for the money?

By staying in this race, Hillary is getting million$ of dollars from campaign donations. The longer she runs, the more money she gets.

What happens to any unspent campaign money (once the race is over) ?

Is Hillary simply doing it for the money???

(knowing the Clintons, it wouldn't surprise me at all)

Posted by: kevin | March 28, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

The majority of the comments made point out that Hillary is hurting the Democrats, and as I've always noted, will do ANYTHING to win. Whining, extortion, lie, cheat. Uh-oh! Watch Out! There's Clinton's spitting over my head!

Posted by: glthesun | March 28, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Tsk! Tsk!

Bush has created such a tremendous vacuum for the Dems that they are slavering and falling over each other to rush on in! The only one not tripping is McCain!

Maybe Pelosi should have run!

Posted by: Joe | March 28, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Hillary has practically no chance of winning unless somehow she were able to overturn the will of the people & flip pledged delegates. That alone speaks volumes about her character. She has lied so much how can you trust her to deliver any of her promises? They didn't deliver health care reform back when Bill was in office and that was supposed to be her baby. Remember the speech she gave to Congress that garnered her a standing ovation...but no health care reform? She voted for the Iraq war so how can you trust her to get us out? She's not the most qualified to be President. She's the least. Obama is a brilliant talent and he rose to the Wright challenge, no pun intended, which threatened to end his candidacy. In that insightful and remarkably honest speech on race, he showed us how worthy he is to be our next President of the United States. Sometimes you gotta take a chance and Obama is our opportunity to come together and turn a new page.

President Obama

Posted by: Este | March 28, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Hmm. So I should have to donate to the party even if I don't agree with it? Not everyone believes in Obama and since this is a free country, we are free not to vote for him nor support the party that nominates him. I have decided to withhold my contributions to the DNC until I see how this nomination works out. If I don't like the candidates, then no cash. The DNC should work for me, not expect me to be a serf.

Posted by: John | March 28, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Hmm. So I should have to donate to the party even if I don't agree with it? Not everyone believes in Obama and since this is a free country, we are free not to vote for him nor support the party that nominates him. I have decided to withhold my contributions to the DNC until I see how this nomination works out. If I don't like the candidates, then no cash. The DNC should work for me, not expect me to be a serf.

Posted by: John | March 28, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Ms. Akers, you shouldn't really use the identical lengthy quote twice in the same article.

Regarding the content of the article, last time I checked, Pelosi was the only major politician to have a lower approval rating than Bush.

She and that idiot Howard Dean need to let the superdelegates make up their own minds. Most of all, they need to let Americans in the remaining primaries vote and avoid handing Florida (and possibly Michigan) to the Republicans on a silver platter this November.

Obama is a fraud. He cannot win the general election. I know this is disappointing to a lot of people, but it's the truth. Those red states aren't magically going to turn blue no matter how many speeches he gives. Deal with it and support a candidate who can win.

Go Hillary!

Posted by: amanohyo | March 28, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

ABC's Jake Tapper reported yesterday on an unnamed Democratic Party official saying that it's not a question of *if* Clinton can somehow secure the nomination. The question is -- what will she have to do in order to achieve it? The official's answer: She will have to "break his back," to destroy Obama and make him completely unacceptable. "Her securing the nomination is certainly possible - but it will require exercising the 'Tonya Harding option.'" the official said. Read full story here - http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/dnc-official-cl.html).

As the Clinton campaign spins Obama as actually being the reprehensibly negative player in this competition, and the media swallowing and regurgitating the most incendiary non-issues, (consider today's self-righteous "all I know is that if it were me personally, I would have left that church), I fear for the future of Obama's campaign, of the Democratic party, and the United States. I'm afraid we can't take another two months of the destructive Clinton ambition machine. Please contact the Democratic National Committee (http://www.democrats.org/page/s/contactissues) and let the party leaders no that we can't waste any more time; the train is nearing the bridge that's out, and it takes a lot to stop that kind of fateful momentum. Superdelegates must decide *now*, not in August, to swing behind the best candidate in our generation so that the Democratic Party can look forward to the general election in November and beyond.

Posted by: marthadavidson | March 28, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a racist and should drop out. Clinton is the lady for the Democrat ticket. CLINTON ALL THE WAY!

Posted by: Hat Motor | March 28, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

The democratic party has been "fractured" since 1968; this is nothing new to the party, and it will not be fixed by Mrs. Clinton exiting the race.

What has gotten in to everyone? The entrepreneurial spirit of the free election process in this country is you do not give up until the fat lady sings. There is absolutely no reason for either candidate to exit the stage as long as there is some hope for success.

This country has never experienced a presence of two minorities running for President before. Let the party continue!

Posted by: Dennis | March 28, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

thanks to the obamatons for calling this highly educated Hillary supporter and others like me stupid.. grow up and realize you can't get to 2025 delegates either.. and you are going to get stomped in any big state other than Illinois.. good job blocking Michigan and Florida.. the idea obama represents "change you can believe in is laughable".. I for 1 will vote mccain if obama is the dem candidate.. I don't trust obama on getting our fiscal house in order, and I really don't trust him on foreign policy.. and believe it or not, its not because I'm stupid.. you guys are going to get rocked in pa, and I'm looking forward to knocking your arrogance down a notch or two

Posted by: Hillary supporter | March 28, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats are so dim witted they can't even win what should have been a slam dunk presidential bid. And Pelosi doesn't agree with anyone even her own party. And you want these people to run the country wake up they can't even agree with each other how are they going to reunite the country.

Posted by: Ron | March 28, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Why the rush, the story has just begun. Let all the results come in before you pull down the curtain. The reason people wants to stop the process now is they can not accept the will of the people. 10 more states and you can conclude, will you. Why don't DNC schedule a one day primary for every state for them not to wait till June. I noticed the other side can not wait, they're affraid of what, they're afraid that the last vote is not for them?

Posted by: Anonymous | March 28, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

I guess we see the Clinton's do believe they are stronger than the entire government. I want to see who is going to win. Now Hillary has picked up another battle. This one is with Pelosi. Hillary sure is making me want to be republican so I can keep my self respect and not watch a person tear thru the government for no reason except to win a primary. She sure is showing her true colors. Who knew She was Green with self envy?

GO OBAMA!!

Posted by: larry (Oregon) | March 28, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama IS a racist!! He and his "pastor" want to kill Jews, whites, and Hispanics. That disqualifies him for the job of leader of the US. I and every Democrat I know would never vote for a person with RACIST views!

Posted by: CLINTON08 | March 28, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

looks like the obaaaaama sheep are angry with the totally honest, moral, Clintons. keep it up McClain looks better every day.

Posted by: hammerman | March 28, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

It is absolutely amazing how far egotistical maniac will go to achieve personal accomplishment. Cheers and more power to ya FOR NOW. Go ahead and destroy away Hillary!!! It will be better for America to see the Democrats exposed for what they really stand for in this race.

Posted by: AntiDEM | March 28, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Shame! Shame!! Shame!! This is becoming dictatorship by the few fat cats. I cannot believe that the will of the people will be disregard, like a typical 3rd world dictators rig elections and make mockery of democracy. I'm happy that Pelosi is pushing back unlike the so-called undecided that are scared of the Clintons machine. The undeclared superdelegates are nothing but whimps and they should be ashamed of themselves. They know the deal that the Clintons machine will skin them if they venture to declare against them.

Shame on the whimpy superdelegates! How did the Democrats got the name "Democratic National Party" when there is no democracy in their primary? I would like the name to be "Dictatorship National Party (DNC).

Posted by: John Scott | March 28, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should be patient.
For 2008 , run a Barrack / Hillary ticket.
Do it now.
Hillary will get another chance .
Stop fragmenting the democratic supporters.
And start working on pointing out the
differences between the Dems and Repubs.
Seriously.

Posted by: geeyermo | March 28, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Pelosi. Hillary has to realize that presidency is not an entitlement for the Clintons and she should exit gracefully before her credility/popularity goes down to a damaged level. If she leaves gracefully may be she will get a chance later. If she does not, the Clintons will vanish into an oblivion which I like.

Posted by: chandra oza | March 28, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Chelsea Clinton, as your father Bill said, if you cannot stand the heat of politics, get out of the kitchen.
Chelsea, you put yourself out there as your mother's defender, then you should have answered the question as to whether the Lewinsky matter adversely affected Hillary's reputation and integrity. It was a fair question.Don't hide from it and say it is no one's business. It is 3 o'clock in the morning. Do you know where your horn dog of a father is?

I hear that Hillary in addition to reopening NAFTA wants to reopen the Lewinsky inquiry. She has new evidence that the cause of the stained blue dress was Hellmans Mayonnaise.

Posted by: Sam Sanders | March 28, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Chelsea Clinton, as your father Bill said, if you cannot stand the heat of politics, get out of the kitchen.
Chelsea, you put yourself out there as your mother's defender, then you should have answered the question as to whether the Lewinsky matter adversely affected Hillary's reputation and integrity. It was a fair question.Don't hide from it and say it is no one's business. It is 3 o'clock in the morning. Do you know where your horn dog of a father is?

I hear that Hillary in addition to reopening NAFTA wants to reopen the Lewinsky inquiry. She has new evidence that the cause of the stained blue dress was Hellmans Mayonnaise.

Posted by: Sam Sanders | March 28, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Clinton is simply trying to damage Obama to the point where he cant prepare in time to win in November and making sure McCain gets a free ride in the media.

She is proving to be nothing more than a psychotic stalker of the presidency.

"If I cant have you nobody can." All she needs is a diaper and ducttape headed towards Obama's home.

If she doesnt watch out the Senate chambers will be a cold place and she wont have any support in 2012 with the exception of the old bitter femi-nazis when she makes yet anothger futile push for the presidency.

Because win or lose, in 4-years no one will be able to say Obama has no experiance (eventhough he has just as much as Hillary does...sorry but married to the president and lying about sniper fire doesnt copunt as experiance..)

Posted by: Josh N. | March 28, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

The sad thing is that Clinton's attackers are accusing her of doing thier dirty deeds. How is it that she is the one harming "fellow democrats" when the fellow democrats are the ones calling her names, undermining her credibility, denigrating her record, and maligning her family?

I have been a democrat all of my life, and I come from a democratic family. We are in a state that hasn't yet voted. Why is it that some in the Democratic Party want to deny us a chance to vote this year? Why is it destructive to let the entire democratic process take place? Maybe we should have stopped with the 700 or so who voted in Iowa and called it a democracy?

There is nothing at all wrong with withholding funds from a candidate or a party when there is unfair practices going on, bias in the media running rampant, and character attacks going unchecked against an honorable, life-long democrat-- which is what Senator Clinton is, whether you like her or not.

If Obama and his supporters had really cared about the Democratic Party, he/they would have conducted a clean campaign, and not allowed the verbal attacks against a viable, strong, and loyal democrat like Clinton.

Posted by: LoraV | March 28, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Clinton is simply trying to damage Obama to the point where he cant prepare in time to win in November and making sure McCain gets a free ride in the media.

She is proving to be nothing more than a psychotic stalker of the presidency.

"If I cant have you nobody can." All she needs is a diaper and ducttape headed towards Obama's home.

If she doesnt watch out the Senate chambers will be a cold place and she wont have any support in 2012 with the exception of the old bitter femi-nazis when she makes yet anothger futile push for the presidency.

Because win or lose, in 4-years no one will be able to say Obama has no experiance (eventhough he has just as much as Hillary does...sorry but married to the president and lying about sniper fire doesnt count as experiance..)

Posted by: Josh N. | March 28, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

The party conventions were origionally intended to be political gatherings for the purpose of selecting the presidential and vice-presidential nominees. For the past several decades, they have been nothing more than three day media events for the competing parties. Why not have a convention where the delegates actually pick their nominee in true democratic fashion? Now, several Democratic leaders are calling for a "pre-convention" in June for the purpose of picking the nominees prior to the "real" convention. Am I the only person who finds this idea utterly stupid? Can you imagine how many people will watch the Democratic Convention is the nominee is to be decided on live television?

Posted by: Jay | March 28, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Some of you, huffing and puffing Billary supporters here obviously haven't checked the latest Gallup poll which puts Obama at a clear 8-point lead over Clinton. Obama, even with the Wright controversy has consistently shown to be leading, save a couple of those taken, during and immediately after the Wright uproar which was kindly furthered by the America's number one tabloid news channel Fox News. It really shows again and again who is on top.

Posted by: Bo | March 28, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

No one is saying that the votes in the remaining states shouldn't be counted. They will have theie elections just as they did in 2004 when Kerry was the presumptive nominee. Hillary should just drop out of the race, just as Edwards, Richardson, Biden, Dodd, etc. have done. There is no way that Hillary can win. She is only causing damage at this point. She should drop out now. If something happens to make Obama unelectable, she (or someone else) could still be made the nominee and the convention. And the Wright thing isn't it . . . it has hardly had an effect at this point. There is no reason for her to continue to run against Obama at this point though.

Posted by: LISASF | March 28, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

"OBAMA/PELOSI 08"

or

Obama/Boxer?

/from California
//has always admired Barbara Boxer

Posted by: Dominic | March 28, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

It seems as Howard Dean has managed to blow it again - good job. Please step down and let somebody run the show that has a clue

Posted by: NotBenFranklin | March 28, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that lately you guys always nominate someone an idiot can and does beat? You finally have someone with genuine charisma and a ground swell but here come Clintons and special interests to throw a wrench. It makes me start to believe in all the conspiracy theories that the whole process is scripted and the outcome doesnt really matter. A couple of billionaires behind the scenes will buy the winner one way or the other...

Posted by: LibertarianObserver | March 28, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

There really is no way Hilary can win this nominatin without colluding with others to bend the rules. I love this Clintons, but I am pretty disappointed right now. Hillary is trying to destroy Obama to lower the chances of Obama winning the general election if eventually he gets the nomination. Then, Hillary can come back and say I told you so. If superdelegates rig the vote in favor of Hillary, it would take decades for the party to recover from the damage and the loss in the general election.

Posted by: Luckdress | March 28, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Clinton bid in 2012? This idea is the product of shallow analysis of the electorate shift from the old to the young.

The sad reality is that as people age, they pass on and the next generation takes over. Clinton's demographics show that her supporters will be outnumbered by even more younger Obama supporters if McCain wins and there is a rematch in 2012.

There will be no Hillary presidency. Now or in 2012.

Posted by: Pablo B | March 28, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

you dumb fools - show hillary crying again that might get more votes - wait have hillary choose our pastors and husband/wifes she knows how to dodge snipers don't you know - wait monica might answer that call at 3:00am - wait where's BILL - hey bill just count the voters that choose your dumb wife

Posted by: Anonymous | March 28, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

you dumb fools - show hillary crying again that might get more votes - wait have hillary choose our pastors and husband/wifes she knows how to dodge snipers don't you know - wait monica might answer that call at 3:00am - wait where's BILL - hey bill just count the voters that choose your dumb wife

Posted by: Anonymous | March 28, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

you dumb fools - show hillary crying again that might get more votes - wait have hillary choose our pastors and husband/wifes she knows how to dodge snipers don't you know - wait monica might answer that call at 3:00am - wait where's BILL - hey bill just count the voters that choose your dumb wife

Posted by: Anonymous | March 28, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

you dumb fools - show hillary crying again that might get more votes - wait have hillary choose our pastors and husband/wifes she knows how to dodge snipers don't you know - wait monica might answer that call at 3:00am - wait where's BILL - hey bill just count the voters that choose your dumb wife

Posted by: Anonymous | March 28, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

you dumb fools - show hillary crying again that might get more votes - wait have hillary choose our pastors and husband/wifes she knows how to dodge snipers don't you know - wait monica might answer that call at 3:00am - wait where's BILL - hey bill just count the voters that choose your dumb wife

Posted by: Anonymous | March 28, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi claimed she was "neutral", then went on TV
saying the Hillary/Obama dream ticket wouldn't
happen, and that Supers had to vote with the majority.

Unspecified was whether that applied for a 1% majority,
to an overall majority, or a majority in each Super's
district...

It is categorically inappropriate for the highest Dem
elected national official, to make any remarks on a
primary race in which she is not involved. She
acknowledged that by declaring neutrality, and then
proceeded to stick her foot in it. She deserves this
rebuke.

She is carrying water for Obama, angling up for VP
on the Titanic, along with Richardson. Smart!

The story is correct, Pelosi is factually wrong.

Super Delegates are chartered as independents - for
exactly the present circumstance:
A (slight) front-runner who will not amass 2025 by
votes, and then has information come out that makes
him a hypocrite or implicates him in scandal - rendering
him a sitting duck in the general.

Because you have Super Delegates, you have a
party-approved method for dealing with impending
disaster. You are charged with voting independently,
based upon electability and long-term party benefit.
Nobody can define those for you. You vote it on
your own assessment.

Those who think party nominations should be
100% democratic, are welcome to petition for
new bylaws for next time. Meanwhile, 2008
will prove out why they are needed as a fail-safe;

- Obama is heading to an Ohio-type loss in PA.
(I will be watching keenly for Media Inc. to declare
then, how Hillary "can't win". She will have the
momentum at that point, and again look like
the counted-out victor Rocky Balboa)

- Many caucasians now see Obama as a race-
unity hypocrite and are leaving the tent. These blogs
establish that Wright remains an albatross for him.
They are upset by it, and also his staff's maneuvers
to shut out MI and FL.

- Under these conditions, he will use his money and
mouth to try to resell himself after the PA loss. If he
can go on another run and win somewhere besides
Af/Am-heavy NC, he will earn the Supers he needs.
If Hillary mounts a run instead, they will slide to her.

And in that circumstance Pelosi will look like the
fool who leapt before she looked...

-

Posted by: RG | March 28, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi is not the Democratic "Decider". The political process will continue until there is no hope for victory by either Obama or Clinton. Mike Huckabee stayed in the Republican race until it was mathematically impossible for him to win. Why is Hillary considered evil and conniving when she still has a chance to win the nomination? Another "Reverend Wright" revelation is better handled now than against John McCain. If you're old enough, recall Tom Eagleton as George McGovern's first choice for his VP. There is a reason for the nomination process for both parties.

Posted by: burkdogs | March 28, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Obama cannot be president. He's a RACIST! He's trying to CHANGE this country to the time when racism was allowed -- 150 years ago!! Is that the kind of change he's been talking about? You Obama supporters just don't know him if you think he's not racist. He and his "pastor" want to kill Jews, whites, and Hispanics. That disqualifies him for the job of leader of the US. I and every Democrat I know would never vote for a person with RACIST views!
And you shouldn't either. Vote Clinton bcause she's not a racist!!

Posted by: Clinton05 | March 28, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

This week;
"Had the reverend not retired, and had he not acknowledged that what he had said had deeply offended people and were inappropriate and mischaracterized what I believe is the greatness of this country, for all its flaws, then I wouldn't have felt comfortable staying at the church,"

Last week;
" I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community."


Story keeps changing, bottom line remains the same;

Obama is a hypocrite opportunist, who spouted racial
unity while he patronized a racially-divisive lunatic.

Attended for 20 years with no problem, but would
leave now. Something about not being comfortable...

;-)


-

Posted by: RG | March 28, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

I look forward to an Obama Presidency for reasons of both Heart and Mind. And while I am tired of living in the United States of Halliburton, I will not and cannot vote for Clinton. If by some chance Senator Obama does not get the nomination, I will again vote for Ralph Nader. I know many of you will complain. But, it is a matter of principle. I truely don't see a difference between Billary and the Republicans, except on a superficial level. There are way too many bodies buried in the Clinton's path to power. Voting for yet another compromised politician is not going to help this country. The campaign slogan that will win to the White House should be: "It's the integrity, stupid!"

Posted by: Mark R | March 28, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe that Hillary supporters are still on the attack. They have been escalating the fight and it is very clear now that the Clinton team will do ANYTHING to win -- even attack other Democrats. It would seem that the "Tonya Harding" approach that Democratic Party operatives have spoken about under deep anonymity is coming to light.

For Hillary she's either the candidate, or she brings everyone in the party down that she can in the process. SHAME!

Posted by: Chris | March 28, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

For me, the issue is which candidate will surround themselves with wise, creative people, if elected.
Rodham? She acts like a one-person band.
Husein? Just might have enough sense & humility to get good people around himself.

Fortunately, we have a fractious Congress and an "interesting" Supreme Court to keep things in check. The Country will survive!

Posted by: brutus inquisitor | March 28, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi does not want to be the Speaker who presided over the demise of the Democratic party.

If the insiders are allowed to steal this nomination away from Obama, the millions of people, who are the future of American politics, will demand a new political party that supports them.

Posted by: junej | March 28, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Nazi Pelosi, as we call her in this section of America, needs to shut her stupid putrid mouth. She is obstructing the process. Let it play out and we'll see who wins this match. Obama is clearly a liar or worse, and Clinton has her flaws as well, but we need to let it all play out. I and many others have yet to vote. Are you trying to take the vote away from me???

Posted by: GeorgeHJudy | March 28, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Stop asking Hillary Clinton to exit from the race. Let it play out.

What's the rush to select a nominee. Lets see if Hillary will keep her second promise about releasing her tax returns. Her first promise was that she will release it "before April 15th". New promise is "at least 3 days before PA primary".

I want to see Hillary "sniper-fire" Clinton's tax returns.
I want to see where she made her millions.
I want to see who paid her for senate votes.
I want to see who she paid to murder Vince Foster.

Posted by: David | March 28, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

LoraV,

Have you been under a rock of late or what? Obama doing the negative attacking of the oh so pure Hillary... Are you kidding? Even the republicans have said they admire the campaign Obama has run as it is so very clean of personal attacks. LOL, thanks for the laugh. It is truly the other way around completely, Obama points out what Hillary is doing that isn't above board. That isn't attacking her in a personal manner or unfairly. It is being honest and genuine.

Come on out from under that rock.

Posted by: Mike | March 28, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

If you vote for McCain because your preferred candidate does not become the nominee then the truth is that you are not a real Democrat and you are not committed to the principles of the Democratic party--you would be a true Judas unlike Carville's stupid and asinine characterization of Richardson.

Countless Republicans have no qualms admitting that they have issues with McCain and some come flat out and say that they don't like or trust him, but you don't see them threatening a mass defection to the Democratic party! At the end of the day they don't care what kind of Republican gets into the White House as long as it's a Republican--period.

If you voted in the Democratic primary and consider yourself a Democrat then you should vote for whichever candidate becomes the nominee--for crying out loud, suck it up and show some party loyalty!

Posted by: proceedwithcaution | March 28, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Not only is the letter from Clinton supporters profoundly shocking but so is a menacing note posted here that says Nancy Pelosi "should be very careful." This all seems like strong arm tactics to me; the note posted here has the tone of a mafioso. Frankly I began a few months ago wavering between Clinton and Obama, then favored Obama. Though I was wary of Clinton because of her failure to take a stand against the war soon enough, I was not opposed to her. Now I am. Nevertheless, because I am concerned for the welfare of our nation and fear McCain's leadership would only worsen our situation, I would vote for her if she were the nominee. But apparently there are those among her supporters who are so ruthless they will withdraw their support for democrats if they don't get their way. Remember Solomon's judgement. Both the Clintons seem prepared to tear apart the child we love rather than reliquish their slim chance of winning possession. By far the ugliest part of this campaign has come from the Clintons and I am really sick of it.

Posted by: Fuller | March 28, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Oh and I admire Pelosi for making the statement that she can't be bought and sold. It takes guts to stand up to big money and she did that.

Hillary keeps trying to buy this election. First, trying to buy it by paying for re-votes that were completely biased in her favor in FL and MI. Now buying it by threatening superdelegates chances to raise money for re-elections.

This, like all her other shadiness, will backfire and the smell of sulfur around her will only strengthen... Are growing horns next?

Posted by: Mike | March 28, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Super delegates were not created as a check and balance system. They were created to allow these people into the convention without tickets and without paying. Let's not distort the Super Delegates into something they are not. They should not be able to influence the will of the people. This is just proving that the system is flawed top to bottom. Caucus vs. Primary. Super del. Popular vote vs Delegates. Simplify. Why complicate a simple thing.

Posted by: Nate | March 28, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Mark my words: there will be destruction if BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA gets the nomination instead of Hillary. The republicans know it too. Hillary MUST have the nomination. She deserves it for all her years of service to the country, and plus, she has experience of already having been in the White HOuse for 8 years!
I'm beginning to think that Barack has connections with the Taliban.

Posted by: MANSMAN | March 28, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

I fail to understand why everyone seems so concerned that the democratic candidates continue to compete for the nomination. The process enables us to get a better idea of their actual abilities under pressure, and the nature of their personalities. I for one have not come to know enough about Obama at this point to decide whether he can accomplish what he puts forth as "hope"-- ideas are cheap, their accomplishment is another dimension. My take on the campaign is that neither candidate has shown the strength of character to convince me as of today. Why is it so undesirable to decide between them at the convention and then unite behind the actual nominee?

Posted by: a skeptic | March 28, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Mansman, that cannot be a serious post. She is down 171 delegates. She will not catch him. You and your kind are the problem with politics. You only see what you want to see. Not reality.

Posted by: Nate | March 28, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

A Hillary Fan up above said that all of the Obama fans are calling her stupid -- her personally -- because she supports a candidate who is staying in the race despite the irrevocable harm it is doing.

But that's not true. You are stupid for supporting a candidate with no chance of winning. The system was set up so that no candidate without a near 80% majority of the popular vote could win without superdelegate support. Do I like this system -- NO. But to say that Obama can't make the 2024 (one less thank's to Clinton pal Eliot Spitzer's demise) without superdelegates and use that to rationalize a losing, damaging campaign. Well that's just -- yes, i'm going to say it -- STUPID.

A vote for Clinton is a vote for STUPID.

Posted by: For the Hillary Fan Offended | March 28, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Well said about the Clinton's attitude toward their right to an aristocratic lineage. And for the person who would vote for Pelosi because of her crinkly eyes. Please don't vote or reproduce.

Posted by: Mary | March 28, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmm, which is worse, Reverend Wright speaking within the First Amendment's free exercise of religion/ unabridged speech or Clinton backers trampling the Democratic establishment to buy the election. The superdelegates should reflect the people. The Constitution says, "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare and secure the Blessing of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America". I don't think, "we the People" was meant to refer to Hillary and her rich friends using the superdelates for personal gain.

Posted by: Chris336 | March 28, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

It's outrageous that donors would be so pushy. Their letter is an example of the very reason the country needs to limit the amount of donations to prevent 'thugs' like this from trying to buy elections. I wonder what they are expecting Hillary will do for them, if she's elected.

Posted by: M.M. | March 28, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

amanohyo - "Most of all, they need to let Americans in the remaining primaries vote and avoid handing Florida (and possibly Michigan) to the Republicans on a silver platter this November."

Please, would you be saying the same thing if Clinton were ahead or had wrapped up the delegate count early? Hell NO.

You're attempting to justify your support for Clinton and her nasty campaign tactics with your false egalitarian claims. You could care less about the other primaries, voter's rights, the Michigan/Florida debacle or Obama supporters. Just admit it: you want Clinton to win, by any means necessary.

Posted by: WE | March 28, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

This letter was written on behalf of all Floridians. You can bet your sweet behind, that if Obama thought it were in his interest to not disenfranchise nearly 2 million voters in a State the Dems can not afford to lose in November, then there would have been a letter from his donors. It's a shame really, that they haven't written. Because if Florida gets seated in August,and the Party has already anointed a Nominee, regardless of whom, then they still remain disenfranchised.

Nancy Pelosi should take a long look in the mirror, because her actions after taking over as Speaker have done nothing to further the cause of Democrats. I'm still waiting on her promise of Impeachment proceedings.

She has gone public with her opinions and convoluted the role of Super Delegates to the point that she as created more of a problem than was already there.

She should simply have thanked those donors for their concern and left it at that. But, the green monster keeps rearing its ugly head every time she speaks. No matter which side of the mouth it comes out of.

Posted by: KittyNC | March 28, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it just great to watch Democraps rip each others' throats out?

Marvelous entertainment!

Posted by: Guest | March 28, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Faer tactics will not work this year, My Friends. Justice has a way of rising at the most needed times such as these. Your fears of the "other" will pass as you gain familiarity. Shame on you for your pigeon-headed ignorance.

Posted by: Lynident | March 28, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm in Florida and this household recognizes that the damage done to the electoral system here has been done by Florida Republicans and those in the Democrat Party who are Democrats in name only, like Bill Nelson.

We, members of the rank and file of the Democrat Party, are not concerned about our lost primary vote. We are very concerned that we will continue to be victimized by a very corrupt Florida political machine if the Democratic Party loses this Presidential election.

One of the problems with an all inclusive party is the fact that primary principals are lost in the melting pot.

An example of this is Bill Nelson who continues to give his full support for Bush's war. He is for all practical purposes a Republican operative and so is Hilary Clinton who, if you will remember began her political life as a member of the Republican Party in a Texas voter registration campaign.

No she cannot be trusted to represent we the people, she will promote her Republican elitist ideals and the rest of this nation will learn to enjoy boiled Chines rat and rice or go to hell!

Posted by: Dennis too | March 28, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton has to continue!

Americans are surprisingly single-eyed! Since Hillary Clinton started her campaign she has had to stand extremly servere allegations without any profound evidence! The matter of fact is that Barack Obamas life has not been penetrated in the same ugly and unfair way.

If you look closely then you you will find out that you and any other normal human beings are hiding one, two or maybe more things in the closet which he or she is not prepared to advertise if it´s not necessary. I don´t know if the Jeremiah Wright story is one example but I think so.

Hillary Clinton has proven to be able to stand servere public demands as well as insulting events in her marrige which she cannot be accused on.

She is strong and competent.

Posted by: royrichard | March 28, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

MANSMAN,

You sure sound like JakeD... You in disguise today. The use of the middle name gives you away. Trying on a new persona now that most people know your MO?

Pathetic to try to sell fear so blatantly. At least you could more subtle like Hillary. He is not Muslim 'as far as I know'.

I think that the quote from the Movie "As good as it gets" applies here. "Go sell crazy somewhere else cause we are all full."

There is a spectrum of evil to consider here. On that spectrum is Hitler used fear and hatred of Jews for his own political ambitions. Rove definitely belongs and now sadly, Hillary. "He wouldn't have been my pastor". Capitalizing on racism. "Oh she was just being honest" BULL

Her lack of morals, anything goes campaign, and use of race to try and capitalize on the Archie Bunkers of Penn truly shows her evil side. Sad, but true. Good to know now so we can not elect her to be President.

VOTE FOR HOPE NOT FEAR

Posted by: Mike | March 28, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Nate,
It was a serious post. There's just too much we don't know about Obama. He could be involved with the Taliban, we don't know. If we believe Wright, then he probably hates Israeli Jews and that makes it likely.
Yes Clinton is down delagates, but Obama won't win enough to win the nomination before the primaries are over.

Posted by: MANSMAN | March 28, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

This is really becoming tiresome. We are heading for the convention with Obama well ahead in delegates and Clinton trailing and this is very unlikely to change.

Without the intervention of the superdelegates, Obama will win easily and be the guy to slug it out against Granpa McCain in the Fall.

I don't want to disenfranchise anyone (including the good people of Florida and Michegan) but now is the time for the superdelegates to do what they are there for and lead the two candidates to a conclusion. Barring some unforseen circumstance this is what they will be doing at the convention. Better to do it now and limit the collateral damage and save resources for the bigger battle.

The DNC have a history of shooting themselves in the foot (and sometimes aiming considerably higher) but now is the time to engineer a decision. In my view Obama should take it on the basis of states and the popular vote and the fact that he puts "we the people" back into the political equation but I am happy to have the superdelegates do the right thing - just do it now!

Posted by: Cataplazm | March 28, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Demmies:

yer goin' down................

down, down, down, down, down........

yeah

Posted by: fred doble | March 28, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Billary didn't seem to mind that most voters were "disenfranchised" when she thought she would win by Feb. 5. So why the whining now?

Posted by: Denvermiss | March 28, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

People:

Concerning Wright, Obama -

When anyone becomes a national figure, or has pretensions of becoming one, it is just and proper
that any and all actions and remarks, published or spoken, of that person and/or any associates they
have, be deeply scrutinized and questioned.

One or two items categorized as inflammatory "soundbites" of Reverend Wright, are certainly
enough evidence to call into question Obama's
philosophy, given the circumstances.

Rarely has any statement ever been made that is more truthful than this:

Your past is prologue.

Posted by: fred | March 28, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Mike,
He is a Muslim, dude. Yes, he's says he's Christian, but does it make sense that he was sworn in as a Senator on the Koran?!?! Look it up. It's fact.

So, try your junk elsewhere you ignorant weirdo.

Posted by: MANSMAN | March 28, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

I always hear people talk about the big bad republican attack machine.

There is no Republican attack machine at work here! The Democrats are shredding their own party!

This is the party of civil rights and womans rights? In fighting based on race and gender. It is all very amusing to watch! They are all for civil rights or womans rights; unless those happen to stand in their way, then they toss them out the window.

Democrats eat their own!

Posted by: Heather | March 28, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

All SORTS of Demmies comin' outta the woodwork now about how low and untrustworthy Hillary is!!

Not to mention "the husband"!

If Obama HADN'T come along, would they all STILL have seen what a moral disaster she is?

Not likely, eh?

If any Repubs had said any of this (and we have been for years) it would have been conveniently ignored as Conservative poo-doo.

Demmies - a bunch of puffballs.

Posted by: fred doble | March 28, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Dear fellow Americans. He have the greatest opportunity to correct those mistakes that was made in the pass. We have a great future ahead of us. We can come together to unify the political parties to solve these major issues that is keeping us from prospering. As far as I can remunate, America is not all about the Republicans, Democrats, Independents, neither any Other Parties. This is the United States of America. This is a nation that exercises T.E.A.M. WORK. (Together Everybody Acheives More)The sooner we can stop idenfying one another by his/her political status, the better we'll become. We shall stop the critisism, but rather draw strength from diversity and unite to improve our common interests of our social-lives regardless of ones RACE, GENDER, HERITAGE, EDUCATION, etc... To do so, will be our greatest accomplishment individually, domestically and Internationally. As patriotic as we all are. We should thank all of the Presidential candidates of election 2008 for the job well done. We have all seen that they're intuitive individuals with excellent family values. This is a critical time in our nation's history and voters, governors, mayors and superdelegates are making their voices heard. They are choosing the best suited leader for our nation at this time to be Senator BARACK OBAMA. Thank you for your support and "God Bless America" Thank you.

Posted by: OR G'RIDGE | March 28, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

MANSMAN,

What are you smoking? You can't have it both ways. He attended a church, a Christian church, for 20 years or he is Muslim. Which is it? Make up your mind because you are contradicting yourself in your posts.

You fill this forum with trash that has no basis in fact. He isn't Muslim and is Christian, Hillary knows this as she has had prayer breakfasts with him. Not that it would matter if he is Muslim. I don't fear and hate those different than me and am not a bigot like some that post here.

Posted by: Mike | March 28, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is an excellent sttateswoman..politician....has an international foerign presence....Pelosi for V.P......OBAMA/PELOSI 08

Posted by: blairtimothyb4 | March 28, 2008 05:13 PM
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I have often said I will vote for whoever we nominate but that is the one exception, if Pelosi is on the ticked I will sit at home and watch them throw the election into the toilet.

She and Reid were elected to stop the war and start impeachment proceedings against Bush and Cheney. She has proven to be a worthless biotch. Go home you skank.

The more Obama heads trash Hillary the more I'm pulling for her.Thank you and the Rev Wright for turning me and my liberal white NYC dems turn away from your man.

Posted by: patrick nyc | March 28, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Friar Tuck would have a better chance of securing the nomination than Hillary. His excuse is that he's a drunk. What's hers???????????

She's a real B with an ITCH if you know what I mean. I'm not voting for her if she STEALS THE NOMINATION!

Posted by: RebeccaCat9 | March 28, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

I just don't understand why everybody hates Hillary.

Can't they see that she really IS the best choice? That she really does have a sweet side?

She is truly conserned with the PEOPLE.

I just don't see why that all her experiance
with Bill in the White Horse doesn't show every one her qualification to be president.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE find it in your hearts
to vote fo Hillary - it's the only rationel thing too do!!!

God Bless Hillary, Bill, and Chelsee!!

Posted by: judylee | March 28, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)

big·ot -noun

a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

Meaning intolerant of religion as well there. Just thought I would clarify my use of the term BIGOT so that all would understand that when you attack somebody based on religion, it is being a bigot as that is a different belief than your own.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 28, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)

big·ot -noun

a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

Meaning intolerant of religion as well there. Just thought I would clarify my use of the term BIGOT so that all would understand that when you attack somebody based on religion, it is being a bigot as that is a different belief than your own.

Posted by: Mike | March 28, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Mike,
If I'm smoking something, then you're shooting something into your veins, dude. You don't understand what I'm saying because you didn't pass 3rd grade reading. Now, listen closely. Barack Hussein Obama, a black separatist and potential Democratic nominee, is a Muslim who had a Muslim father. He was sworn in as a Senator on a Koran -- make of it what you will -- and he went to a church for 20 years where they talked more about hating white people than anything else. Got it? I know your little mind could understand something so simple.

Posted by: MANSMAN | March 28, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand the argument that Hillary is hell bent on "destroying" Obama. How? She didn't invent Rev. Wright. She wasn't even the messenger of that news. If something's going on that's bad enough to destroy your candidate, I think it's safe to say the responsibility lies with him.

If Hillary does indeed have information that's so damaging it will wipe Obama out of this process, I wish she would hurry up and reveal it and get the destruction underway. Otherwise, ranting about her intention to do so is ridiculous and tantamount to admitting he's destructible.

Posted by: astro | March 28, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

I am so disappointed by the actions of Pelosi, Dean and other Democratic party operatives in the hotly contested Democratic primary for president. If it takes 2024 delegate votes to reach the nomination, and no one has reached that goal the race should go on. Having operatives announce that Hillary should step aside demeans the voting process, and makes this whole spectacle a farce. Disenfranchising voters under the guise of party unity is a sham. All the Democratic voters should have a say in this process, not just the lucky ones who get to vote first. I am just "a typical white person" who wants Democrats in Florida and Michigan to have a say in our nominee, not just Texas and other Republicans who had the option to vote in our primary. As a lifelong Democrat I feel that my support for Hillary is an attempt to save the party, not hurt it. I want a Democrat in the White House to appoint Supreme Court justices with Democratic values and ideals, and Hillary is that person. For me and many other Democrats, Obama does not pass the sniff test - there's something just not Wright about him. Please save the Democratic Party NOW - LET ALL THE DEMOCRATIC VOTES COUNT - FL, MI AND ALL THE UPCOMING PRIMARIES .

Posted by: RoseMarie Pasmantier, MD, FACE | March 28, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

MANSMAN You are not only ill informed, you are an idiot. His father was a Muslim, his mother was a christian. He did not get involved in religion until he moved to Chicago, where he became active in his church.

As for the Koran swearing, it was a congressman.'Keith Ellison, the first Muslim elected to Congress, announced that he would take his Congressional oath using a Koran, rather than a Bible.'

Learn to use google you idiot.

Posted by: patrick nyc | March 28, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

I don't trust Obama. I am angry at him for Pushing the Ferraro story to label Hillary a racist, but then telling America to "move on" from his pastor. He is also the one pushing race from the start, and that is disgusting. His campaign has tried to blame everyone BUT obama about the race issue. However if you look at the debates, Obama was caught perpetuating the race issue. You Tube: "Obama pushing race".

Posted by: steve | March 28, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Mike (douchebag),
What difference to you does it make what book he was sworn in on? Are you saying that you believe it's wrong to be sworn in on the Koran? Do you hate Muslims, that's my question for you. If you do, you can admit it, because people like you (Obama, specifically) is a hater as well. He hates a lot of people, just ask his pastor/friend/mentor of 20 years.

So, Mike, while you call me an "idiot" for a simple mistake, you try to hide behind the fact that you are probably a bigot and racist.

Posted by: MANSMAN | March 28, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm really beginning to think there might be something to the theory that Pelosi will get the VP nod on Obama's ticket. What a disaster for the party she has been. I guess we should have got the drift when she stated, over and over, impeachment is "off the table." She needs to be replaced as Speaker, the sooner the better.

Posted by: thinkwithyourbrain | March 28, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm really beginning to think there might be something to the theory that Pelosi will get the VP nod on Obama's ticket. What a disaster for the party she has been. I guess we should have got the drift when she stated, over and over, impeachment is "off the table." She needs to be replaced as Speaker, the sooner the better.

Posted by: thinkwithyourbrain | March 28, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm not voting for Hillary because she's UGLY!! Obama is cute so I will vote for him.

Posted by: HOTTYgal | March 28, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

HOTTYgal PLEASE! If you can't count to ten, please leave the room! We're being serious in here and stupid comments like yours are just unnecessary and ridiculous. YOu prolly aren't even 18 yrs old.

Posted by: Mike | March 28, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

you obama people are dispicable. to say such things about chelsea shows how low and sad you really are.

stop whining and blaming senator clinton (and her daughter) because your candidate is a liar and plagerist and a hate monger.

he has no chance to win the presidency. none.

Posted by: susannah | March 28, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

PELOSI: You just keep the Obama ba! ba! beat going, baby!! That beat will just beat the Democrats in November.
HRC supporters know "the score' and where you stand. You stand for manipulation of the primary vote in Obama's favor.
HOWEver this unfair playing field that has been orchestrated by the DNC and some party elders/super delegates will just get Mc Cain elected.
The old song that all the Democrats will get together and sing "kum by ya!" and support the man you may have manipulated into the nomination, will not make the hit parade but will instead turn into a funeral dirge for the democratic party.
Most of the old democrats I know will bolt the party. I have been a democrat 60+ years but I now feel no loyalty.

Posted by: Ev Pheanis | March 28, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

PELOSI: You just keep the Obama ba! ba! beat going, baby!! That beat will just beat the Democrats in November.
HRC supporters know "the score' and where you stand. You stand for manipulation of the primary vote in Obama's favor.
HOWEver this unfair playing field that has been orchestrated by the DNC and some party elders/super delegates will just get Mc Cain elected.
The old song that all the Democrats will get together and sing "kum by ya!" and support the man you may have manipulated into the nomination, will not make the hit parade but will instead turn into a funeral dirge for the democratic party.
Most of the old democrats I know will bolt the party. I have been a democrat 60+ years but I now feel no loyalty.

Posted by: Ev Pheanis | March 28, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Frankly, I have never seen any of the Clinton supporters behave as the Obama supporters do. How can any civilized person believe that Chelsea Clinton ought to answer an inappropriate question from an ill-bred imbecile. Her response was, in my opinion, restrained. It isn't his business. It's nobody's business. He asks an inappropriate question, and she's chastised? That's the nastiness of the Obama fans.

Obama supporters are making harassing phone calls to Clinton supporters. Obama supporters are trying to infiltrate Clinton camps. What's honorable about that?

What senator has done as much as Clinton in the short time that she's been there? What record does Obama have that distinguishes him from her? What I know about Obama is that he's worshiped in and supported a church that spews racism and hatred. They have no tolerance for Jews, whites, homosexuals...they even suggest that when their gay choir director was murdered that he it was his fault because he chose to live that way... Explain to me how any of this is in any way representative of the Democratic party. Explain to me how any of this is good for the country.

No, I will not support the DCCC. No, I will not send any money to the DNC. And sorry...no, I will not vote for Obama if he becomes the candidate for the Dems. My conscience will not allow me to do so.

Posted by: PuppyDogMom | March 28, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

I would urge all of you to get a grip!
This is all about nominating the best qualified candidate! It is not a popularity contest! It is not about having our first black president! It is not about having our first female president! It is about the real issues that we are confronted with after 8 years of the Bush administration!
I am sick and tired of celebrity endorsements, tabloid type journalism, a profoundly biased media, and the undemocratic types of game playing that is going on!
I am voting for Senator Clinton because she can win in the general election, having won big states which represent the democratic base! I am voting for Senator Clinton because she is the experienced leader who will help all of us get the health care coverage we need for ALL of us! I am voting for Senator Clinton because she will get the economy turned around in a much better direction. I am voting for Senator Clinton because I care about America! I care about you as well as myself!! We all need someone who can get the job done!!

Posted by: Donna | March 28, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

A phenomena of sorts has emerged in the Clinton campaign. Hillary gets a pass on yet another instance of not speaking the truth. In the latest dodging bullets story, Hillary has been caught lying but calls it having "misspoken." If I had dodged sniper fire, I would not have forgotten it anymore than I have forgotten where I was when JFK, RFK and MLK were shot or when those planes hit the towers. Being shot at is a life changing moment. Do we want a team in the White House who don't value truthfulness??? Did we forget that Bill was impeached by the House of Representatives for perjury? And, lest any think we won't get a team, think again. Bill's already said he'll be as involved as she'll let him be. That's how Hillary intends to make up the deficit in her experience, perhaps??? People are imperfect and thinking Americans can see past ruses and some element of faulty judgement and so forth. But, outright dishonesty is something we ought to shirk outright and draw the line. To do otherwise is to ignore the blatant truth.

Posted by: SilverFox in NM | March 28, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

The Demmies' race to the White House:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfXf0VOV0Oc

Posted by: fred doble | March 28, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

TO ALL,
I FEEL IF THE DEMS. LOOSE THIS ELECTION IN THE FALL YOU ALL CAN THANK HILARY CLINTON. HER ATTITUDE IS, IF I DON'T WIN THIS ELECTION YOU WON'T EITHER. I FEEL THAT HER PEOPLE THINKS SHE'S THE QUEEN OF POLITICS JUST BECAUSE OF HER HUSBAND. THEY ARE COMING OUT INSULTING PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE THEY CANNOT GET THEIR WAY. THIS IS NOT WHAT THIS COUNTRY NEEDS AT THIS TIME.

OUR COUNTRY NEEDS HEALING. THE 4,000 FAMLIES AND THE THOUSANDS MORE WHO WERE WOUNDED NEEDS HEALING. AND MANY MORE NEEDS RESPECT, FOR THEIR KIDS WAS THE ONES WHO WAS SENT OUT INTO A WAR THAT NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN WAGED. OUR COUNTRY IS BROKE. HOW ARE WE GOING TO PROVIDE FOR OUR KIDS AND THE KIDS OF THE FUTURE. LETS COME TOGETHER AS ONE, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE MANY DISAGREEMENTS I STILL THINK WE ARE THE MOST POWERFUL NATION IN THIS WORLD. LETS STOP ALL THE IN FIGHTING AND LETS STOP THE TERROIST AROUND THE WORLD LAUGHING AT US.
PEACE AND LOVE
PATRICIA

Posted by: PATRICIA WARD | March 28, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

The Demmies in action during this Primary:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Bl2xVGb7nA

Posted by: fred doble | March 28, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Demmies practicing "campain" strategy..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKZOJ5T9jSo

Posted by: fred doble | March 28, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

If not mistaken, weren't the electoral college and super delegates created to be a balance for the uninformed voter.

I have studied government/politics in college and of most my life. Since I was eighteen years of age, I have voted in every election from city council to president of the USA. No election or issue was too small.

Personally, I resent the voter who wakes up one morning and decides to vote for the first time in their life because of the candidate's race. It isn't fair to me as a diligent, and responsible voter, it isn't fair to the country, and certainly not in the best interest of that particular (or other) uninformed voter.

Wasn't the electoral college and/or super delegates created to protect us from ourselves? A superdelegate vote simply in accordance to popular opinion defeat that purpose?

Posted by: BevGarr1 | March 28, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

If not mistaken, weren't the electoral college and super delegates created to be a balance for the uninformed voter.

I have studied government/politics in college and of most my life. Since I was eighteen years of age, I have voted in every election from city council to president of the USA. No election or issue was too small.

Personally, I resent the voter who wakes up one morning and decides to vote for the first time in their life because of the candidate's race. It isn't fair to me as a diligent, and responsible voter, it isn't fair to the country, and certainly not in the best interest of that particular (or other) uninformed voter.

Wasn't the electoral college and/or super delegates created to protect us from ourselves? A superdelegate vote simply in accordance to popular opinion defeat that purpose?

Posted by: BevGarr1 | March 28, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Hillary machine in action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGHTqo_MOpg

Posted by: fred agian | March 28, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Hillary and Obama neck and neck - whoops!!!
Poor Hillary!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5OvX-tSDMY

Posted by: fred doble | March 28, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

I dont believe what I hear...The Demoncrats have been in control of both houses for a year and a half and where has the economy gone ? and where has the price of oil gone ? and where has the US dollar gone ? Who's twisted house bill forced the motrgage lenders to
make loans to the UN Loanable ? Yes the Demoncrats...Our 3rd world country is headed for Marxism at best if we keep going the Demoncrat way...........Get out and get rid of the Reid /Pelosi 101 Eco courses and remember "You are Not Entitled to NUTTIN "

Posted by: Wadda a Crock | March 28, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is an example why voters, including donors, get upset for these reasons:

1. DNC leaders such as Dean and Pelosi taking sides. That is no leadership!

2. Leaders such as Pelosi changing the rules in the middle of the game, like she did by telling the super delegates to ignore the current rule of 'independent judgment' and make their vote becoming an automatic vote tying to the pledged delegates. That is not listening to the people and changing the rule in the middle of a competition!

3. Disfranchising the voters by ignoring Michigan, Florida

4. Constant bashing of Clinton and asking for her to quit when the majority of the people (near 70%) wants this race to continue. Remember the poll shows an equal 22% of people wanting both to quit the race, not just Clinton.

5. the media continues to refuse to vet Obama. By not vetting Obama, they continue to cement these two perceptions: 1) Clinton is being discriminated 2) increasing the fear of unknown about Obama.

Posted by: vote4thebest | March 28, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

To gmundenat... You stated "Hillary appeals to the lesser educated among us. It shows, it really shows."

I beg to disagree. Hillary's appeal transcends age, race and economic status. Middle class Americans are able to identify to her message of action rather than meaningless speeches that has limited value than entertainment.

Posted by: CP Cook | March 28, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama for President of the UNITED States of America.

Posted by: PulSamsara | March 28, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

To BevGarr1... Truth is, if the Dems lose in November, we should blame Obama for being what was GWB for the rest of America.

Posted by: CP Cook | March 28, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

To BevGarr1... Truth is, if the Dems lose in November, we should blame Obama for being what was GWB for the rest of America.

Posted by: CP Cook | March 28, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

What is the panic about? In 2004, Democrats panicked, and we all got behind Kerry without thinking about which candidate could beat Bush. Before the convention had started, most Democrats were already regretting our choice and realizing the primary race should have run longer. There is no way that a candidate can win in the general election, if they can't take the heat of a vigorous primary. During pre-season football games, they don't play touch football, it's the real deal.

Posted by: Greg | March 28, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Obama is not about unity, or at least his supporters are not.

His supporters ignore half the democratic voters.

Dems are split, so how is Obama unifying the country by still running?

I urge Obama to step down.

Posted by: Michael | March 28, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA IS UNELECTABLE. A recent poll suggests that almost 30 percent of Hillary Clinton voters will vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee. Add it up; McCain gets almost all of the Republicans and almost 30 percent of the Democrats. Thank you Obama, and your ruthless, deceptive and race-card playing tactics, for helping elect John McCain as President of the United States.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

I would urge all of you to get a grip!
This is popularity contest! It is not all about nominating the best qualified candidate! It is about having our first cute black president! It is about having our first female president! It is NOT about the real issues that we are confronted with after 8 years of the Bush administration!
I am sick and tired of celebrity endorsements, tabloid type journalism, a profoundly biased media, and the undemocratic types of game playing that is going on!
I am voting for Senator Beeblebrox because she can win in the general election, having won big states which represent the democratic base! I am voting for Senator Beeblebrox because she is the experienced leader who will help all of us get the health care coverage we need for ALL of us! I am voting for Senator Beeblebrox because she will get the economy turned around in a much better direction. I am voting for Senator Beeblebrox because I care about America! I care about you as well as myself!! We all need someone who can get the job done!!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 28, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Clinton is trailing by a small amount in delegates and popular vote, but many states haven't voted yet. Puerto Rico alone could wipe out half of delegate difference, if Obama were to have a campaign meltdown as Howard Dean did in 2004.

Let them vote, and then let the super delegates weigh in. Finish the primaries, and then have the super delegates meet to finish things before the convention.

Has the Obama campaign seen private polls that the public have not and decided they must get Clinton to resign before they loose? What else is the source of the Obama panic to get Clinton to quit? Other than the media and Obama spokespeople, there is no major push for Clinton to quit according to the polls.

Most of the country thinks that everybody should get to vote before anyone quits, unless somebody get enough to seal the deal. It worked for the Republicans. I'm a Democrat, but I actually though Huckabee was pretty cool for staying the in race for his supporters.

What do Obama's supporters suggest for the next Democratic Primary? Do they think we should just let Iowa pick the party's nominee and then wait for the convention?

Posted by: Jackson | March 28, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

I think that Hillary should be able to run to the finish. I hope
she will fight all the way. We need a president like this who loves her country enough to give it her all! Look at the punches she is
taking and got right back up, you think this is fun!
People should stop and really look at the experience that Hillary
has as this is what will save our country for the future. Look
at what is going on in in the world right now. It is getting worse
by the day. We know Hillary and Bill, we do not know Obama!
My money is on Hillary and I pray people will take a second look!

Posted by: bbassett | March 28, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

The DCCC called me today to ask for money. I was more than happy to tell them that I would be glad to contribute as soon as FL and MI were counted in a fair way. I let them know that, if not, I would be leaving the party on Jul 3rd in preparation for Independence Day.

Posted by: Typical White Veteran | March 28, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

It is very interesting to note the male testosterone chant to remove Senator Hillary Clinton! However, Pelosi, of all people should know the role of the Superdelgates. The purpose of the Superdelegates is to add rational thought to the Democratic primary election process. The fact that Obama is attempting to circumvent the voter's choice for Hillary Clinton with preventing the count of Michigan and Florida votes, emphasizes the importance of Superdelegates in this campaign. However, many states are in the same position as Massachusetts where Senator Hillary Clinton won the state, although Senators Kennedy and Kerry campaigned hard for Obama. There will be more than tea in the Boston Harbor if the Massachusetts those two Superdelegates support Obama who was clearly not the choice of Massachusetts voters. It begs the question if the Democratic Party can afford to lose the Presidential election and the respect of the American people due to Obama's campaign effort to win at all costs.

Posted by: Cantabrigian | March 28, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Hillary has every right to see this primary out. Pelosi and her ultra-left wing consorts are trying to hijack the Democratic Party and, instead, are tearing it apart. Those of us who have been around the block know that an ultra-liberal candidate like Obama, even without Wright and Rezko, could never win the general election. We need a centrist to win.

Hillary 08!

Posted by: brigittepj | March 28, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

I think letter to Pelosi had a very good point. Nancy hates both Clintons. She hates Bill for not taking her position on China trade policy. She hates Hilary, because she wants to stay the queen bee of the Democratic Party. If Obama is the Democratic Nominee for President, contributions to the party will be wasted. To paraphrase Ross Perot, the will be the great sound of "Woosh" as voters start moving to the Republican Party in November. Instead of having the current possibility of winning the White House and big majorities in Senate and House, we will be back to being in the minority again. Most Americans don't want a President that would let his children listen to Rev. Wright's hate speech, in order to get the political support he has needed in South Chicago for the past 20 years. Obama is a privileged brat that went to the best prep schools and colleges, but he likes to pretend he was some poor kid that grew up on the streets of South Chicago, when it serves his purposes. To win his state seat from South Chicago, he needed to have the support of both Wright and Farrakhan, so he had played nice with both of them.

Obama has said that he contributed thousands of dollars to Wright's church to help spread hate. He may not agree with Wright, but he is a hypocrite that tolerated Wright's hate speech to get his support.

Posted by: Kentucky | March 28, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

If anyone has created a mess of this, it's Dean, Pelosi and other DNP 'leadership'- what bunglers. They are idiots for trying to force everyone's hand.

Those who suggest that the primary be cut short are asking for trouble. The party will not unify behind the nominee unless they are satisfied that the process has been followed and everyone has been heard.

Posted by: Lets See It Through | March 28, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is the worst leader the House has ever had. She hates Hillary because, she knows a better woman when she sees one, and it does make the claws come out!

Hopefully, at some point, the Democrats will realize that, even with most of America wanting a change from Bush, their current leaders are despised by most Republicans and Democrats alike.

Posted by: Kooky Freeman | March 28, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

-- What else is the source of the Obama panic to get Clinton to quit? --

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1) a 2-character abbreviation known as PA

2) No means to retrieve the caucasians
who have labeled him a fraud, and are
leaving the tent. If the PA exit polling
shows it, he's probably done.


Media Inc. + Dem elites who are not
worried about their jobs, houses,
gas tank or health plan;

...but, but - she CAN'T WIN!


Righto. Sure. The race was over as of
NH, CA and OH also...


;-)


Americans love a fighter / hate a hypocrite

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Posted by: RG | March 28, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is way out of line. She has absolutely no right to try and stop the vote before everyone has had a chance to vote. Many people, like me, are upset about the fact that Obama sat in front of Rev Wright for 20 years and took his children there. This is not a man we need for president. In my opinion, he should not even be a senator. Let the people vote!

Posted by: Typical Black Man | March 28, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

I ask that we start a rally for Hillary.
WOMEN OF AMERICA UNITE!
and get blogging. We need Hillary so roll up your sleeves like
Rose the riviter and lets elect the best PERSON for the job!

We know who she is!

Posted by: myer in ma. | March 28, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

I doubt that endorsements are going to help Obama much at this stage in the game. If one person or another endorses Obama, I doubt that the informed will just ignore the fact that his "mentor and spiritual adviser" for 20 years is a racist and anti-American; ignore his blatant and probably successful attempt to disenfranchise millions of voters in Michigan and Florida to advance his own selfish political ambitions; ignore his association with William Ayers, the founder of the Weather Underground, a domestic terrorist group; ignore his lies about his "alleged" continual opposition to the Iraq war; ignore his continual use of the "race card" in this nomination process; ignore his initial denial that any meeting took place between his chief economic adviser and the Canadian official; ignore his changing testimony about his relationship with and monetary support from Rezko; ignore his lie during the debates about a pharmaceutical lobbyist's involvement in his campaign; ignore his lie during the debates about Yucca Mountain; ignore his lie about his former support for a single-pay health plan, etc. No, endorsements don't give one amnesia; and that is what would need to occur for many of us to support Obama.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Obviously the Marxist wing of the Democratic Party is trying to exert it's influence. The irony? It's rampantly trying to stop Democratic voters from voting, yet it doesn't go out of its way to stop the war in Iraq. Wow!

By trying to shove Obama down our throats, Pelosi, Dean. Kennedy, Daschle and Kerry are going to drive this party into the ground. What part of we don't want a nominee who hates America, Jews and typical white people do they not get?

Posted by: Fed Up | March 28, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

There is still so much that we don't know about Obama. We know about Rev Wright, but what about his early influence from Frank Marshall Davis? A communist. What influence did William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn have? Who is Rashid Khalidi and what does he have to do with Obama? What is the extent of the Obama/Rezko/Auchi relationaship? How does "Minister" Farrakhan fir in? In truth, we know nothing.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 28, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

NANCY PELOSI is not worthy of being the speaker of the House. She has no judgement to unabashedly support Obama who has no respect for America. Obama not only subjected himself but his Children as well to the racists and divisive preaching of hatred of pastor Wright. He was an accomplice to wright's cursing "God damn America" and for saying that America invented and injected AIDS virus to the black community. Obama has made honesty, transparency and unity the hallmark of his candidacy but he coddles corrupt and indicted slumlord, Rezko and terrorists who bombed the capitol hill and the Pentagon. He wants to change Washington but cannot change his most corrupt state Illinois. He and his wife are influenced by their pastor, this is evident by their words and action, when Obama's wife says that she was not proud of America until her adult life and that America is "MEAN". Obama surrounds himself with American flags but do not respect them. He does not sing Allegiance to the Flag nor puts his hand to his heart. How can we condemn Madrassas in Pakistan and other fundamentalist states and ignore the same hatred being preached from Obama's church?

Posted by: otwo | March 28, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

FedUp: Amen.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA AT IT AGAIN; FALSE ADVERTISING IN PENNSYLVANIA: From NBC/NJ's Aswini Anburajan
GREENBURG, Pa. -- The Clinton campaign today accused the Obama campaign of "false advertising," claiming that a recent ad Obama released in Pennsylvania was disngenous because Obama has been the recipient of more than $200,000 from the oil and gas industry.
In the ad, Obama says, "I'm Barack Obama, and I don't take money from oil companies or lobbyists, and I won't let them block change any more."
Obama has taken $213,884 from the oil and gas industry as of Feb. 29th, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Sen. Hillary Clinton has taken $306,813 in that same period.
Two of Obama's campaign bundlers are also CEOs for oil and gas companies, per a list released on his campaign Web site.
Robert Cavnar, listed as a bundler who has raised between $50,000 to $100,000 for the campaign, is the chairman and CEO of Mission Resources Corp., a Houston-based firm. George Kaiser, also listed in the same $50,000 to $100,000 category, is the CEO of Tulsa-based Kaiser-Francis Oil Company.
"It's unfortunate that Senator Obama is using false advertising to explain why he can be trusted to do something about energy prices," Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said. "Senator Obama says he doesn't take campaign contributions from oil companies but the reality is that Exxon, Shell, and others are among his donors."

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Has anybody seen the latest poll showing Clinton still ahead by nearly 5 points nationwide?

Also, it looks like many Hillary supporters will flock to McCain if Hussein is the nominee!

Take the poll yourself:

http://votersusa.blogspot.com/

Wow!

Posted by: Jimmy | March 28, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Barack and Michelle Obama are racists and he should never be nominated by the Democratic party. If he is, we will lose the election. The sad thing is, everyone knows this, but is afraid to ask him to go away. We may just have four years of John McCain because nobody in the DNC has any balls.

Posted by: Dem-O-Crat | March 28, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Has anybody seen the latest poll showing Clinton still ahead by nearly 5 points nationwide?

Also, it looks like many Hillary supporters will flock to McCain if Hussein is the nominee!

Take the poll yourself:

http://votersusa.blogspot.com/

Wow!

Posted by: Jimmy | March 28, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

It's obvious that certain cretins here can't
see the truth!!

Obama IS a Muslim, and he DID swear his oath on the KORAN!!

Look it up!!!!!!!

Posted by: MANSMAN | March 28, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I urge Nancy Pelosi to do what is right and to resign from public office, as she demonstrates she has no respect for our great nation's laws.

It is outrageous that Pelosi would advocate a private re-definition of our nation's laws and processes to suit her political whims.

Applying her political pressure and inventing public expectations that super-delagates do NOT act in accordance with US law.

Making an exception to the law to favor the horse you are betting on is discrimination.

If Nancy Pelosi didn't agree with our nation's nomination process on principal, she has had 21 years as a Representatives to weigh in. Why now?

She has no regard for due process or justice.

I am outraged that Nancy Pelosi would encourage the American people to not respect and abide by our laws and political system.

Pelosi is a fraud. I applaud those who challenge all Speaker (talk), no action.

Posted by: Michael | March 28, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Obama is the one who must drop out.He is the biggest divider in DP.I'll say it and you folks take a real goog look at this - Sometimes I feel like he has a pact with the evil...and you know why... cause there is no any orher explanation for some things thats going on.

Posted by: Mike | March 28, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Obama is the one who must drop out.He is the biggest divider in DP.I'll say it and you folks take a real goog look at this - Sometimes I feel like he has a pact with the evil...and you know why... cause there is no any orher explanation for some things thats going on.

Posted by: Mike | March 28, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

I ask that we start a rally for Barack.
BLACKS OF AMERICA UNITE!
and get blogging. We need Barack, so roll up your sleeves like
Malcolm X and lets elect the best BROTHER for the job!

We know who he is!

Posted by: vote4thebest | March 28, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Ned | March 28, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Mike: Did you read my post above about Obama's lies regarding contributions from the oil companies? What is really galling about this is that Hillary mischaracterizes her landing in Bosnia, and it is front page news for days. Obama has the "audacity" to lie right in his commercial in Pennsylvania, which I'm sure will be playing day and night, and I'll bet the coverage of this important lie will be nil. This shows me that its all the more important that we fight for Hillary. If the powers that be are lined up behind Obama, he cannot be good for us; that's not the way these things work.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

I love the perfect and delicious irony that has come to the Democrats. They are the ones that have been pushing for decades the promotion of women and minorities in politics. Well they got their way...one of each trying at the same time for the same slot and the bitterness and fear they show as they realise one must loose, makes us libertarians appear much kinder and politically correct. John McCain suddenly seems like the adult who will lead the children once they stop bickering.

Posted by: roneida | March 28, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Funny thing is we used to think Hillary was the liberal.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 28, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Let's see now ...

The Democraps are going to rip each other apart but bring the country together?

How does that work?

Please don't stop!

I love watching this.

Posted by: Guest | March 28, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Mike, Michael, Jimmy, Dem-O-crat, and all patriots here, I agree! We need to get rid of Pelosi. She has shown a complete lack of professionalism by obviously taking sides with Obama in suggesting the supers should go with the popular vote.

It shows the desperation of the Marxists in the Dem Party. They have truly made a move to take over in this election, but the Clintons have, so far, been able to hold them off. The pressure is on, and unfortunately, the reason Dean hasn't stepped in is because he is in that wing.

This is a mess for the party and will probably destroy it in its current form. We can only hope that in its demise, a truly centrist party that reflects the will of most people can emerge.

Posted by: Showbama | March 28, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse


Hillary Clinton has won the most delegates and most popular vote in states that hold democratic primaries.

Obama has won the caucus states that bias toward those who have time to spend 2-4 hours in the evening. The parents who are taking care of children or those who are 60+ or older have not participated in those caucuses to the extent of African Americans and College students and single people (according to Polls out).

This is a tight race and NEITHER candidate will have the needed number of candidates to win.

We MUST let Hillary stay in and allow the contest to play out. The CONTEST RULES allow for superdelegates to bind their vote to who they see fit. THe RULES are the RULES are the RULES - and obama and Pelosi MUST follow those RULES!

Posted by: Jacob | March 28, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Ned: Good Work . . .
Judicial Watch: Obama 'intended to leave no paper trail'
By Klaus Marre
Posted: 03/26/08 01:01 PM [ET]
The president of a prominent watchdog group said Wednesday that he believes Democratic presidential frontrunner Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) "intended to leave no paper trail" during his time in the Illinois Senate.

Judicial Watch, which has been seeking access to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's (D-N.Y.) records from her time in the White House, argued Wednesday that the Illinois senator, who has criticized the former first lady for a lack of openness, has his own "records problem."

"The more we learn about the Illinois Senator, the more obvious it becomes that he is anything but the ethically upright outsider he purports to be," said Tom Fitton, the president of Judicial Watch.

The group rose to prominence when it repeatedly took on former President Bill Clinton during his time in office. It also sought records from the Bush administration regarding Vice President Dick Cheney's energy task force.

In a statement, Fitton noted that his group has sought access to Obama's records as a state senator and questioned whether the presidential candidate has been forthcoming with regard to what happened to those documents.

He said that "nobody knows where they are, if they exist at all" and claimed that "Obama's story keeps changing."

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

i don't agree with the way delegates are distributed after each win. if dems did it like reps by a winner takes all deal, we may have been all done by now and going after the real deal, McCain! they need to revamp this whole delegate distribution system so we don't endup in messes like this. who invented this distribution anyway, farmer John!???? this isn't a general election, and a system like this means you will always endup with stalemates and waste of time and money and possibly the main elections!!

Posted by: FM | March 28, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

I don't know why all these peoples are talking about Brother Barack. He is the next president of the United States of America. You can't stop him. We will be in charge of the White House soon and you all better get used to it. Barack Obama 08 Yes we can!

Posted by: blkpwr | March 28, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

I've read through this blog. It seems there are alot of different opinions. I will set things straight.
Hillary Clinton, love her or hate her, has every right to run until the race is over. If Obama can't take fighting with a girl, how can face the Republicans? They're not going to play nice.
Obama supporters seem to forget that without those of us who support Hillary, he can not win. It's not wise to chap us off.
On the CNN blog for the Situation room, those who support Obama have called Hillary "a liar", "a devil woman", "a maniac" and they've called her daughter a product of incest. Those are very hateful words.
If the Democratic party desires to win in November, it better quit eating it's own and grow up.

Posted by: Rita Lyn | March 28, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Actually clinton is ahead i9n the delegate count . florida and michigan cannot be denied their vote and clinton won them both.
I still see obama as a liberal white boy in drag with a tan and i think his pass skeletons will began to eck out of his racist closet and soon.

Posted by: ronnie | March 28, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton and her husband would do anything to reclaim the White House. Hillary is despicable and vile in the way she crushes and destroys anyone who opposes her or doesnt assist her in her lifes goal of becoming President. Americans realizes that she would gut cut children and leave them in the gutter for dogs if it would help her. She is the most selfish and self centered psycho ever to aspire to the Presidency. She and Bill would do anything to get back in power and they have left a trail of bodies behind them in their quest. We need the Clintons like we need 8 more years of Clinton scandals and another Clinton impeachment. Please Mr and Mrs Clinto just retire to one of your multi million dollar homes and be respectfully quiet. Your 15 minutes of fame are over and you were a stain on our countries history. How many young people know what Oral sex is now because of reading about the escapades of Bill Clinton in the White House. The Clintons are aggregious and are a national disgrace to government service. I am sickened at the thought that Hillary is actually a contender for our countries highest office.

Posted by: martink | March 28, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton and her husband would do anything to reclaim the White House. Hillary is despicable and vile in the way she crushes and destroys anyone who opposes her or doesnt assist her in her lifes goal of becoming President. Americans realizes that she would gut cut children and leave them in the gutter for dogs if it would help her. She is the most selfish and self centered psycho ever to aspire to the Presidency. She and Bill would do anything to get back in power and they have left a trail of bodies behind them in their quest. We need the Clintons like we need 8 more years of Clinton scandals and another Clinton impeachment. Please Mr and Mrs Clinto just retire to one of your multi million dollar homes and be respectfully quiet. Your 15 minutes of fame are over and you were a stain on our countries history. How many young people know what Oral sex is now because of reading about the escapades of Bill Clinton in the White House. The Clintons are aggregious and are a national disgrace to government service. I am sickened at the thought that Hillary is actually a contender for our countries highest office.

Posted by: martink | March 28, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

This is a complete waste of time

Posted by: whatever | March 28, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

The White House is Obama's no matter what all of you say. Yes We Can! We have already won this thing.

Barack Obama 08

Posted by: blkpwr | March 28, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

It should be obvious now that the Democraps are idiots (as if it wasn't earlier).

Since MOST Americans keep electing them ... I guess that pretty much splains it all, doesn't it?

Posted by: Guest | March 28, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Obama is 14th cousins with George W. Bush and 8th cousins with Dick Cheney.

People dismiss this saying that is a distant relation. Maybe for common folks it is.. but for those with money and economic power, using their relations to gain greater wealth and power is how it's done.

If Obama were to be president, you will be taxed to use a grocery showing bag (even if you are walking or riding the bus and cutting carbon emissions), you will be taxed to do everything, you will be taxed to excrete carbon dioxide from your nose and your children's. The excuse will be you owe it to the environment. The reality if anyone in Washington gave a damn about the environment, you wouldn't need to tax the American people relentlessly, there would be sound developmental policy.

The new taxation systems which will be billed as "environmental use tax" is simply a way to further enslave US citizens.

Meanwhile, Obama will give away lucrative deals for GE to build nuclear plants with little environmental restrictions and grant rights to dump toxic waste in our water supplies. Obama will call nuclear energy CLEAN Energy, despite the reality of toxic waste you can't contain. And GE and others will never be held responsible for the environmental damage they have caused past or present.

Obama also is very close with the Council on Foreign Relations and is a pledged supporter of conflict in the Middle East (despite his rhetoric). His wife was the Director of the Council on Foreign Relations in Chicago and resigned to avoid public scrutiny of their political ties when Barack's campaign started to build steam (i.e. huge campaign backing from Energy companies and Banking establishments). Also to note: Dick Cheney was formerly the Director of the Council on Foreign relations.

Posted by: Sam | March 28, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: blkpwr | March 28, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Actually I feel bad for Hillary, she is not being judged on her own merits, but rather those of her sleazeball husband. I don't think that either she or Obama should sink to the level of a Joe leiberman, but that is not for me to say. As for hurting their chances, lets face it. If they actually just came out and said what they stood for instead of trying to appeal to everyone then we may have a real candidate, as far as I can tell though, they are all the same, clinto obama and mccain. There is no choice in this election at all.

Posted by: whatever | March 28, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Maybe she'll pull out and team up as the VP running mate with McCain. Wouldn't that get things stirred up? LOL.

Posted by: Sandy | March 28, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Hillary ( Tonya Harding ) Clinton will never give up. They will have to call security at the Democratic convention to drag her out. If all the super delegates suddenly back Obama, she will still find a reason to stay in. She is still crying for Michigan and Florida . If she is so interested in having them represented at the convention, like she says, why not split the delegates down the middle half for you and half for Obama ? We started with two great candidates and now I don't see a scenario where either of them can win in the general election. To all the idiot democrats who are planning to switch parties if their candidate doesn't get the party nomination, have you stopped to think
that Supreme court judges will probably be appointed in the next term. If a Republican
gets one or two of their guys in there, The Democratic party will be obsolete for the next 20 years. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Posted by: Ron | March 28, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: martink | March 28, 2008 09:52 PM

"Hillary Clinton and her husband would do anything to reclaim the White House. Hillary is despicable and vile in the way she crushes and destroys anyone who opposes her or doesnt assist her in her lifes goal of becoming President. Americans realizes that she would gut cut children and leave them in the gutter for dogs if it would help her. She is the most selfish and self centered psycho ever to aspire to the Presidency. She and Bill would do anything to get back in power and they have left a trail of bodies behind them in their quest. We need the Clintons like we need 8 more years of Clinton scandals and another Clinton impeachment. Please Mr and Mrs Clinto just retire to one of your multi million dollar homes and be respectfully quiet. Your 15 minutes of fame are over and you were a stain on our countries history. How many young people know what Oral sex is now because of reading about the escapades of Bill Clinton in the White House. The Clintons are aggregious and are a national disgrace to government service. I am sickened at the thought that Hillary is actually a contender for our countries highest office."

This post is so GREAT that I just had to repost it.

I just love it when previous Dems get converted.

And I DO NOT mean converted to the Republican Party. I mean converted to common sense.

The founders of this Republic were against political parties ... but, then, they were very intelligent people.


Posted by: Guest | March 28, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

God almighty, the sheer amount of hate revealed in these diatribes!

Okay, it does come town to the lesser educated dems backing Clinton, the better educated backing Obama. Clinton has the blue collar constituency, Obama tha young and media savvy.

But what makes me ill is the garbage already coming in from the Right, and the garbage being thrown by the Clinton machine. Hussein? Missspoke about the Serbian fiasco? Mindless garbage, playing to fear, fodder for the while "I ain't voting for no n....r crowd, take your pick. Clinton didn't missspeak, she lied believing no one would catch it. Same old Clinton "anything to win" politics. And, of course, anyone who would use Obama's name as ammunition, now that's a rational person engaged in meaningful discourse.

McCain has something sadly lacking in both Bush and Clinton, a sense of right and wrong, but he WILL NOT pursue the misdeeds of his predecessor, meaning that those of us over 30 will never see justice done to any of the loyal Fascists currently living in the White House. Our children will learn of it only after the personal papers of Bush and Cheney are released.

And that, my friends, is really the best reason to support Obama. PLEASE support someone who is not involved in the same old cover ups, someone who won't whitewash the evils done in our name. Only one candidate will be willing to dig and dig and dig into the sewer that is DC and expose the sludge to the light of day. I think Whitewater pretty much sums up the Clinton appraoch to corruption, the good old Bushie duck, cover and lie your ass off approach we've all become accustomed to.

Posted by: M | March 28, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Gore wins the popular vote and we howl he should have been president because "he won the popular vote". We shout and scream "every vote must be counted". We got Bush whacked instead.

Now that Hillary won't win the popular vote, we are expected by the "20 Rich" to forget our howls of rage and thinking that "every vote must count". We must be reeducated.

Now we people are told by the "20 Rich" we have to accept THEIR new rule: "Only the votes the "20 Rich" pay for can be counted."

Which way are we going to have it?

In High School Civics class I learned:
"Democracy is the Government of the people by the people." I don't remember my Civics teacher saying "Democracy is the Government of the people by the "20 Rich"".

I am 60 years old. Have I been wrong all of these years?

God Bless Nancy Pelosi for remembering what Democracy is.

God Bless her for believing in us. That we, the people of this country do matter and our vote must be counted.

God Bless her for trying to prevent the "Hijacking of Democracy" by the "20 rich".

Ask yourself:
Why do these "20 Rich" want Hillary to be nominated?
Do they have something to gain if she beats the old flamer McLamer?
Can the "20 Rich" invest and "buy" a Clinton victory?
Can the "20 Rich" expect their investment in a Clinton Victory will produce a tenfold return on that investment? (My 401k is doing lousy. Can I get in on this scam, er, uh, investment?)

There is something very, very wrong here.

My aplogies if I offended anyone not among the "20 Rich". My remarks were intended for them.

I do fear that if the "20 Rich" buy this election, the party I freely chose to be a member because it most clearly echoed my thoughts can never again be a part of my life.
I will join the ranks of the Independents. I will no longer vote straight by my party line. I will pick and support the most honest and qualified person that my conscience dictates. I will not financially support, post signs, work an election line, or promote in any way either party. I will support the candidate my conscience dictates as the best for my beloved country. If that means voting for a, a, a (sorry, I never thought I would be forced to say this) Republican, I will do it.


Posted by: John from Ohio | March 28, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I read on the news about another sermon of Jeremiah Wright's today. One that mocks Italians. I also found a great speech on youtube that Nancy Pelosi gave at an Italian American celebration somewhere in America. She's quite proud of her Italian heritage as she should be. I wonder what she thinks about Obama's minister and his rantings or will we every know?

Posted by: Sandy | March 28, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

-- Okay, it does come town to the lesser educated dems backing Clinton, the better educated backing Obama. Clinton has the blue collar constituency, Obama tha young and media savvy. --

...you mean, the better educated like yourself -
who revert to crude generalizations?

;-)


Refute as you think you're able to;

Rev. Wright spewed extremist, racially
divisive ideology, with malice in his voice.

Barack Obama, the proclaimed racial uniter
to whom words matter, attended.

At worst, he subscribed to it. At best, he
looked the other way. For 20 years.


Next...

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Posted by: RG | March 28, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

"Yes We Can! Yes We Can!Yes We Can!Yes We Can! ... "

Posted by: blkpwr | March 28, 2008 09:57 PM

Black power? Dude ... Barack ain't black. He's a Muslim, he's a Commie ... but he ain't black.

You need to listen to Reverend Manning. You're exactly the kind of Black he is talking about!

Posted by: Guest | March 28, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

M -- Have you been reading any of the comments on this article? Lots of issues relating to Obama's lack of candor. I really wish he were how you describe him, but he isn't.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

I am a die hard democrat but if Hillary takes our nomination using the same hate and fear mongering techniques that we've had to put up with for the last eight years I will probably vote for McCain. He, like Obama, is at least trying to win on his own merit, not how well he can stir up mud. How much of the same old festering system do we have to take?
Hillary is no more honest, transparent, or lobbyist free than Herr Bush.

Our government has raped and pillaged the middle class for the last 8 years, what good does it do to vote for more of the same?


Posted by: Ryan | March 28, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

one thing is for sure, the Clinton supporters on this blog are every bit the trolls that their candidate is. They sound like the rush ditto heads. "let all the votes count", "Obma's preacher is a racist", yeah yeeah, whatever. If Clinton wins the nomination she will probably lose to McCain which would probably be a good thing for the country. She and her hubby are every bit the trolls that W and his little minions are.

I'm not sure Obama is best choice for the country but I believe either he or McCain have the personal honor and class to lead the country.

Posted by: chet | March 28, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

-- I wonder what she thinks about Obama's minister and his rantings or will we every know? --

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Like Obama, Pelosi is showing her true
colors as an opportunist, whom is angling
to become his VP.

As such, she is not worried about Obama
never taking a stand against the lunatic
he calls his mentor...

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Posted by: RG | March 28, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

I think Mr. and Ms. Cliton is a dream team which doesnot need anybody else. Yes, we will. Yes, We will. Go, Hillary, go.

Posted by: political_layman | March 28, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

It is absolutely WONDERFUL that all the politically correct CRAP that Democraps have engendered now comes right back to them in a SH*tStorm!!!

They now reveal just what they are all about - the convenient approach to EVERYTHING!!

No principles, morals, consistency, honesty,
character, sense, common sense, political sense, leadership, unity, - - - well, the list goes on and on.

It is simply - - simply - -

HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!

Posted by: fred doble | March 28, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Hilliary is mad because Barack was too young to have an FBI file when she had 1500 of them in her possesion in the White House. She never figured on a Freshman to run.

Posted by: MITCHS52 | March 28, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

I must be really sheltered. To read the quote "be responsive to some of your major enthusiastic supporters" I am shocked. Shouldn't any office holder that receives this message in public be out there denouncing those that flaunt "money gives me special access." We all know it goes on, but putting it in writing to the speaker of the house - unbelievable.

Where is her public indignation?????

Posted by: shocked voter | March 28, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

I must be really sheltered. To read the quote "be responsive to some of your major enthusiastic supporters" I am shocked. Shouldn't any office holder that receives this message in public be out there denouncing those that flaunt "money gives me special access." We all know it goes on, but putting it in writing to the speaker of the house - unbelievable.

Where is her public indignation?????

Posted by: shocked voter | March 28, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

McCrazy/Rice 08

Posted by: mlh.kfh | March 28, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

-- Our government has raped and pillaged the middle class for the last 8 years, what good does it do to vote for more of the same? --

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...so which part of the Clinton years didn't
you like - the peace, or the prosperity?

Obama admits to being a "bonehead" in his dealings with
Rezko. Where is there anything in his resume, that says
he can deal with a looming deep recession?
Name anything.

The guy is a race-unity hypocrite and policy blank slate.
John McSame is a continuation of the Bush II disaster.

Only Hillary has standing to fix our economy. She will reverse Bush II like
Bill reversed Reagan / Bush I


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Posted by: RG | March 28, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

If the superdelegates are to vote by the will of the People, then Ted Kennedy and John Kerry need to support Hillary, because MA went for Hillary. Bill Richardson needs to support Hillary because AZ went for Hillary.

Also if you really believe in the will of the people then why are you not investigating why delegates were awarded in the TX caucuses when only 41% of the ballots were counted. That does not sound like the will of the people to me.

Posted by: Patrick | March 28, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Once again, the Obama campaign is getting caught saying one thing while doing another. They are personally attacking Hillary even though Sen. Obama has been found misspeaking and embellishing facts about himself more than ten times in recent months. Senator Obama's campaign is based on words - not a record of deeds - and if those words aren't backed up by facts, there's not much else left.

"Senator Obama has called himself a constitutional professor, claimed credit for passing legislation that never left committee, and apparently inflated his role as a community organizer among other issues. When it comes to his record, just words won't do. Senator Obama will have to use facts as well," Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said.

Sen. Obama consistently and falsely claims that he was a law professor. The Sun-Times reported that, "Several direct-mail pieces issued for Obama's primary [Senate] campaign said he was a law professor at the University of Chicago. He is not. He is a senior lecturer (now on leave) at the school. In academia, there is a vast difference between the two titles. Details matter." In academia, there's a significant difference: professors have tenure while lecturers do not. [Hotline Blog, 4/9/07; Chicago Sun-Times, 8/8/04]

Obama claimed credit for nuclear leak legislation that never passed. "Obama scolded Exelon and federal regulators for inaction and introduced a bill to require all plant owners to notify state and local authorities immediately of even small leaks. He has boasted of it on the campaign trail, telling a crowd in Iowa in December that it was 'the only nuclear legislation that I've passed.' 'I just did that last year,' he said, to murmurs of approval. A close look at the path his legislation took tells a very different story. While he initially fought to advance his bill, even holding up a presidential nomination to try to force a hearing on it, Mr. Obama eventually rewrote it to reflect changes sought by Senate Republicans, Exelon and nuclear regulators. The new bill removed language mandating prompt reporting and simply offered guidance to regulators, whom it charged with addressing the issue of unreported leaks. Those revisions propelled the bill through a crucial committee. But, contrary to Mr. Obama's comments in Iowa, it ultimately died amid parliamentary wrangling in the full Senate." [New York Times, 2/2/08]
Obama misspoke about his being conceived because of Selma. Mr. Obama relayed a story of how his Kenyan father and his Kansan mother fell in love because of the tumult of Selma, but he was born in 1961, four years before the confrontation at Selma took place. When asked later, Mr. Obama clarified himself, saying: ‘I meant the whole civil rights movement. [New York Times, 3/5/07]

LA Times: Fellow organizers say Sen. Obama took too much credit for his community organizing efforts. "As the 24-year-old mentor to public housing residents, Obama says he initiated and led efforts that thrust Altgeld's asbestos problem into the headlines, pushing city officials to call hearings and a reluctant housing authority to start a cleanup. But others tell the story much differently. They say Obama did not play the singular role in the asbestos episode that he portrays in the best-selling memoir 'Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance.' Credit for pushing officials to deal with the cancer-causing substance, according to interviews and news accounts from that period, also goes to a well-known preexisting group at Altgeld Gardens and to a local newspaper called the Chicago Reporter. Obama does not mention either one in his book." [Los Angeles Times, 2/19/07]

Chicago Tribune: Obama's assertion that nobody had indications Rezko was engaging in wrongdoing 'strains credulity.' "Obama has been too self-exculpatory. His assertion in network TV interviews last week that nobody had indications Rezko was engaging in wrongdoing strains credulity: Tribune stories linked Rezko to questionable fundraising for Gov. Rod Blagojevich in 2004 -- more than a year before the adjacent home and property purchases by the Obamas and the Rezkos." [Chicago Tribune editorial, 1/27/08]

Obama was forced to revise his assertion that lobbyists 'won't work in my White House.' "White House hopeful Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) was forced to revise a critical stump line of his on Saturday -- a flat declaration that lobbyists 'won't work in my White House' after it turned out his own written plan says they could, with some restrictions After being challenged on the accuracy of what he has been saying -- in contrast to his written pledge -- at a news conference Saturday in Waterloo, Obama immediately softened what had been his hard line in his next stump speech." [Chicago Sun-Times, 12/16/07]

FactCheck.org: Selective, embellished and out-of-context quotes from newspapers pump up Obama's health plan. Obama's ad touting his health care plan quotes phrases from newspaper articles and an editorial, but makes them sound more laudatory and authoritative than they actually are. It attributes to The Washington Post a line saying Obama's plan would save families about $2,500. But the Post was citing the estimate of the Obama campaign and didn't analyze the purported savings independently. It claims that "experts" say Obama's plan is "the best." "Experts" turn out to be editorial writers at the Iowa City Press-Citizen who, for all their talents, aren't actual experts in the field. It quotes yet another newspaper saying Obama's plan "guarantees coverage for all Americans," neglecting to mention that, as the article makes clear, it's only Clinton's and Edwards' plans that would require coverage for everyone, while Obama's would allow individuals to buy in if they wanted to. [FactCheck.org, 1/3/08]

Sen. Obama said 'I passed a law that put Illinois on a path to universal coverage,' but Obama health care legislation merely set up a task force. "As a state senator, I brought Republicans and Democrats together to pass legislation insuring 20,000 more children. And 65,000 more adults received health care…And I passed a law that put Illinois on a path to universal coverage." The State Journal-Register reported in 2004 that "The [Illinois State] Senate squeaked out a controversial bill along party lines Wednesday to create a task force to study health-care reform in Illinois. […] In its original form, the bill required the state to offer universal health care by 2007. That put a 'cloud' over the legislation, said Sen. Dale Righter, R-Mattoon. Under the latest version, the 29-member task force would hold at least five public hearings next year." [Obama Health Care speech, 5/29/07; State Journal-Register, 5/20/04]

ABC News: 'Obama...seemed to exaggerate the legislative progress he made' on ethics reform. "ABC News' Teddy Davis Reports: During Monday's Democratic presidential debate, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., seemed to exaggerate the legislative progress he has made on disclosure of "bundlers," those individuals who aggregate their influence with the candidate they support by collecting $2,300 checks from a wide network of wealthy friends and associates. When former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel alleged that Obama had 134 bundlers, Obama responded by telling Gravel that the reason he knows how many bundlers he has raising money for him is "because I helped push through a law this past session to disclose that." Earlier this year, Obama sponsored an amendment [sic] in the Senate requiring lobbyists to disclose the candidates for whom they bundle. Obama's amendment would not, however, require candidates to release the names of their bundlers. What's more, although Obama's amendment was agreed to in the Senate by unanimous consent, the measure never became law as Obama seemed to suggest. Gravel and the rest of the public know how many bundlers Obama has not because of a 'law' that the Illinois Democrat has 'pushed through' but because Obama voluntarily discloses that information." [ABC News, 7/23/07]

Obama drastically overstated Kansas tornado deaths during campaign appearance. "When Sen. Barack Obama exaggerated the death toll of the tornado in Greensburg, Kan, during his visit to Richmond yesterday, The Associated Press headline rapidly evolved from "Obama visits former Confederate capital for fundraiser" to "Obama rips Bush on Iraq war at Richmond fundraiser" to "Weary Obama criticizes Bush on Iraq, drastically overstates Kansas tornado death toll" to "Obama drastically overstates Kansas tornado deaths during campaign appearance. "Drudge made it a banner, ensuring no reporter would miss it."[politico.com, 5/9/07]

Posted by: victory | March 28, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

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The president of a prominent non-partisan watchdog group said Wednesday that he believes Democratic presidential frontrunner Sen. Barack Obama "intended to leave no paper trail" during his time in the Illinois Senate. "The more we learn about the Illinois Senator, the more obvious it becomes that he is anything but the ethically upright outsider he purports to be," said Tom Fitton, the president of Judicial Watch. Read the non-partisan Judicial Watch Report.

http://votersusa.blogspot.com

Also take the poll and get your voices heard.

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Posted by: Tim | March 28, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Well unless Hillary gets the nomination, after all the smear, bait and switch lies and games Obama has used, even stooping to calling the Clintons racist? I am DONE with the Democrats after this and many years as a fighter for this party. I will vote for Nader in November if Obama wins this nomination. Obama and his sleazy supporters will never represent me and the Democratic values I was raised with. Today's Democrats are useless, clueless, back stabbing, unappreciative, disorganized FOOLS who have vilified the Clintons, our proudest and most successful party representatives. It is time to disassociate with these idiots supporting Obama and the biased Democrat "leaders" running our party into the ground. OBAMA started all the infighting among Dems in '07 and his preacher / mentor is a RACIST!! I AM DONE WITH THIS UNETHICAL CUT THROAT PARTY. GO HILLARY!! ALL THE WAY!! DO NOT BACK DOWN!!

Posted by: Hillary All the Way | March 28, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

What is the WILL OF THE PEOPLE????

If the news media did its job and dug into HUSSEIN Obama's PAST. Investigated is dealing while in Chicago, took a CAREFUL look at his policies on change ???? (I have not found any?) Tries to put the truth forward instead of spinning everything Obama's way.

The numbers may have been different. Polls can be made to say anything. That is the first thing you learn in grad school. Design the poll to make it say what you want it to say.

Obama has no demonstrated leadership since coming onto the political scene. He has some very famous mentors that have set him up to run in this election. The DNC and the MEDIA HAVE NOT fully investigated his dealings in Chicago, his views on Israel, the Middle East, Africa, NAFTA.

He tactfully covers many of these in his speeches but says nothing. His campaign is smoke and mirrors. Telling the people what he thinks they want to hear when they want to hear.

I do not trust him as a LEADER of THE UNITED STATES.

He has not changed his views on Wright... saying that if Wright was still the Minister and had not retired THAT HE WOULD LEAVE THE CHURCH.

Now how can you believe someone that first did not hear any sermons that were negative, then would not GIVE UP his minister, but gave up his MOTHER AND GRANDMOTHER Aas examples of white America. Now he would leave the church... this is after spending Easter weekend in Virgin Islands reading the BIBLE with his family.

We already know that Michele Obama 'possibly' believes what Wright teaches, and did her college term paper at Princeton
where she felt the other kids were racist.

BEWARE THE WOLF IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING

Posted by: Bob Miller | March 28, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Dems are so close to tearing hair each shoulder...if you guys don't weak up and stop following Clinton's greed, this is going to finish in a huge proportion tragedy. Air smells like Democratic catastrophe, I'm telling you...

Posted by: Anonymous | March 28, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Democratic National Convention preview


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz7l2oFbpcE&feature=related

Posted by: doble | March 28, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Have her royal majesty Hillary & slick Willie released their tax returns to the public? What are they hiding? There is nothing transparent about their mode of operation.
The only decent Clinton in the family is Chelsea and I hope she does not follow in her mother's footsteps as she gets older.

Posted by: Andy | March 28, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

-- not sure Obama is best choice for the country but I believe either he or McCain have the personal honor --

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3/17
The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign.

3/18
Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely


This week;
"Had the reverend not retired, and had he not acknowledged that what he had said had deeply offended people and were inappropriate and mischaracterized what I believe is the greatness of this country, for all its flaws, then I wouldn't have felt comfortable staying at the church,"

Last week;
"I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community."


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Posted by: RG | March 28, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

People!!
Go here for the ACTUAL footage of of Hillary Clinton ducking sniper fire in Bosnia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdrvcLyB6-I&feature=related

Posted by: GetReal | March 28, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Obama fans -- let's agree to stop threatening to bolt to McCain. 1st, we're not the ones that are going to face that Faustian test as Barack is going to get the nomination. Secondly, it only fires up Mrs. Clinton's supporters, needlessly. And secondly -- go to dccc.org to contribute before March 31 -- show Ms. Pelosi that she doesn't have to concern herself about "losing" the Tonya Harding 20's support! GO OBAMA!

Posted by: omyobama | March 28, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

We must count the votes of Florida and Michigan.

The right to choose our leaders is our most precious right because all of our other rights depend on it.

Obama supporters must be patient.

Let all the voters speak.

Otherwise, you will lose all Clinton supporters, and all of Michigan and Florida, and Republicans will win the general election no matter what.

No rule is more important than the rule that every vote must be counted.

If we fail to do so after all the fuss we Democrats made about it in 2000, Democrats will look like, and will truly be, hypocrites.

Posted by: svreader | March 28, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

The party complains when voters are uninvolved and apathetic and now they are complaining over a very close race with high involvement and emotion on the part of the candidates and their respective supporters.

It will divide the party more if they try to strong-arm Senator Clinton into pulling out. I am a strong supporter of hers and if they pressure her to quit or attempt to it will make me less apt to vote for Obama (if he indeed is the ultimate nominee) not more.

This contest is not over, everyone needs to let it play out and quit trying to circumvent the electoral process that this country has in place. If you don't like the process - change the process, but don't try to force the outcome to serve your purpose.

Posted by: SusanL | March 28, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

To Patrick who wrote:
"If the superdelegates are to vote by the will of the People, then Ted Kennedy and John Kerry need to support Hillary, because MA went for Hillary. Bill Richardson needs to support Hillary because AZ went for Hillary.

Snipped for brevity:

I agree with you Patrick.

I do believe in the "will of the people". I agree tht the superdelagates should vote by the winner in their states. Otherwise, my vote or your vote simply do not count. If my vote doesn't count, then I have wasted my time and my money going to the poll.

I will support the nominee, be it Hillary or Obama, but only if nominated by the popular vote. Behind the scenes money changers buying away the vote of the people is simply disgusting and immoral. Politicians promising "favors" in return for votes to negate mine or yours is simply wrong.

I will remain a Democrat and support the nominee that is "fairly nominated" as a result of the will of the people. At this time, Obama leads Clinton in the popular vote by 717,276.

Obviously, the numbers will change before the election. I will support either candidate that wins the nomination by the popular vote.

Anything otherwise and we no longer have a Democratic Party that listens to what the people say. Then we have a dictatorship for a party. I will not be a part of that. Would anyone want to be a part of that? Would anyone want to buy away the freedom of another?

Not me.

For the comment that a vulgar thing was said about Italians (my wife is 100% Italian) and the fact that Pelosi remains true in not letting money buy out the nomination is a credit to her.

To hear a man say "Obama is trash" because his mother was white and his father black is revolting to me. To hear the claims he is Muslim meant as a fear tactic is equally terrible.

Haven't we as people yet learned that this nation is founded on the basic rights of freedom? There is no place for discrimination by race or creed in our government. We can't allow it in our workplace and we can't allow it in our elected government.

The bickering between the candidates only serves to divide. The 20 Rich that think they can buy their favorite flavor of Democracy is in reality buying away our freedom of choice.

Posted by: John from Ohio | March 28, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

nancy, stand by the principles voted on and accepted by dnc members. do not let hilary and friends buy/bully their way into the white house.

Posted by: warren | March 28, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

I already sent my "Dear Nancy" letter out. Telling Sec. Pelosi in no uncertain terms that if Obama is selected the nominee by the DNC she can forget about me coughing up any dough for the election in November this time around.

I think that says it all.

Posted by: dyend | March 29, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Obama looks like the nominee -- I just hope that Clinton has the class to pull out before she damages Democratic chances in fall.

Posted by: bill | March 29, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

US Constitution: Article. II.
Section. 1.
The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years...
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IT SAYS HE.
IT SAYS HIS.

Posted by: Obama '08 | March 29, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

bill --

Unless Democrats want to lose yet again, Barry's not going to be the nominee.

Scroll up and look at my posts.

Barry Obama's really bad news.

His past proves it and its catching up with him, fast.

Posted by: svreader | March 29, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

No, Hillary needs to stay in and point out more of the Major problems of an Obama. The press refuses to and Hillary hasn't got to the really good stuff yet.
Obama the Snake Oil Salesman

Posted by: Mike | March 29, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

OBAMA LIES IN PENNSYLVANIA ADS:
From NBC/NJ's Aswini Anburajan
GREENBURG, Pa. -- The Clinton campaign today accused the Obama campaign of "false advertising," claiming that a recent ad Obama released in Pennsylvania was disngenous because Obama has been the recipient of more than $200,000 from the oil and gas industry.
In the ad, Obama says, "I'm Barack Obama, and I don't take money from oil companies or lobbyists, and I won't let them block change any more."
Obama has taken $213,884 from the oil and gas industry as of Feb. 29th, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Sen. Hillary Clinton has taken $306,813 in that same period.
Two of Obama's campaign bundlers are also CEOs for oil and gas companies, per a list released on his campaign Web site.
Robert Cavnar, listed as a bundler who has raised between $50,000 to $100,000 for the campaign, is the chairman and CEO of Mission Resources Corp., a Houston-based firm. George Kaiser, also listed in the same $50,000 to $100,000 category, is the CEO of Tulsa-based Kaiser-Francis Oil Company.
"It's unfortunate that Senator Obama is using false advertising to explain why he can be trusted to do something about energy prices," Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said. "Senator Obama says he doesn't take campaign contributions from oil companies but the reality is that Exxon, Shell, and others are among his donors."
http://tinyurl.com/2on6dr

Posted by: theplanner | March 29, 2008 1:23 AM | Report abuse

If I were a Democrat I'd be moved to tears by these comments. I'm registered as a Republican but I will vote for Obama if he is nominated. Otherwise John McCain is fine with me. All this stuff about loyalty is a crock; am I a Judas for voting against Bush twice?

Posted by: Viejita del oeste | March 29, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

All this Hillary should drop out stuff has annoyed me to the point that there is no way I would have ever vote for Obama. Not even for dog catcher. I have never voted for a Republican in my life but if Obama wins not only will I vote for McCain I will work for his campain.

He seems to be a moderate Republican and I am totally sick of Obama who has never done anything in his life playing his dirty tricks.

Posted by: atomic | March 29, 2008 1:50 AM | Report abuse

Moveon.org funds Pelosi and backs Obama. Moveon.org came out and publicaly urged [told]Pelosi to stand firm on her position on Super Delagates which benefits Obama.

Posted by: thinktank | March 29, 2008 1:58 AM | Report abuse

I already sent my "Dear Howard" letter out. Telling Dean in no uncertain terms that if CLINTON is selected the nominee by the DNC he can forget about me coughing up any dough for the election in November.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 29, 2008 2:22 AM | Report abuse

When did our primary process become a practice in doing and believing what the "higher-ups" tell us? Last time I checked our Constitution set in motion a democracy not an aristocracy- I was taught in my grade school civics classes that we live in a society that affords every American the right to vote (some after much struggle for this right). I'm pretty sure it doesn't state in our Constitution (or DNC bylaws) that we should only continue our election practices until some people get annoyed, discontented, or otherwise just flat out become anxious that their candidate might begin to loose the vote. How ridiculous this has all become.

The race should be run to the convention, with both candidates participation. That's exactly the way it was setup to work. We vote in the primary/caucus to elect delegates that will reflect our choices. The superdelegates were not put in place to reflect the will of the people. They were put in place to use their professional experience/opinions to choose the candidate that will best represent the Democratic party during the general election; to ensure that the Dem party does not elect a weak candidate that cannot compete agaisnt the Repub nom., or more simply put, Barack Obama. A flawed system at best (especially caucuses), but these rules were put in place long before Pelosi or Dean had the audacity to tell us and the superdelegates how and who to vote for.

Wow, what sheep we have all become! The msm and Obama camp send out the word that it's time for Hillary to quit and so many of us jump on the bandwagon. What was the talking point we were told to harp on last week? Does anyone remember?

Suggesting Hillary should quit now is a ludicrous insult to those voters that have not had a chance to choose their candidate! A vote in the remaining states without both candidates in the race essentially ignores the importance of recognizing all votes count!

Posted by: Kate | March 29, 2008 3:35 AM | Report abuse

Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee needs to change their name because it's becoming unsellable every day Mrs. Pelosi or Mr. Dean speaks....

Send your donations by 3/31/08 to www.hillaryclinton.com instead.

Senator Clinton will solve the problems facing the Americans FROM ALL 50 STATES (not just 48 like the DCCC, DNC and Obama); and, she won't even have to make speeches, she's a "stop talking about it and just get it done" type of woman! Go forth Hillary!

Posted by: PA_VoterForHillaryOnly | March 29, 2008 3:58 AM | Report abuse

The donors are free to express their opinions -- after all, it's their money and this is (so far) a free country -- and Nancy Pelosi is free to tell them to take a hike.

I imagine they were quite peeved that Ms. Pelosi, usually a very smart politician, was using her considerable influence to sway the nomination to Obama by suggesting the superdelegates not exercise their independent judgment. Did Ms.Pelosi think that supporters of Hillary wouldn't notice how her changing the rules favor Obama?

As a lifelong Democrat, I am very sad to see the Democratic Party leadership running around like the keystone cops trying to make "the little woman" go away. Do they realize how ridiculous they look? As you can see from the posts on this blog, the Republicans are loving every minute of this. And they should: the Democratic party is acting like the "Father Knows Best" party. They seems to have no faith whatsoever in the intelligence of the primary voters. Stupid me, I thought primaries were about letting the voters decide who the nominee should be.

The net effect of their calls for Hillary to quit and Ms. Pelosi's midstream rule changes in Obama's favor is to infuriate Hillary's supporters, alienate women voters, and divide the party further. If they would just shut up and let the voters decide this, the Democrats would have at least an outside chance of going into the general election with a united party.

Very sad. Maybe the party really isn't fit to govern.

Posted by: Adrienne | March 29, 2008 4:23 AM | Report abuse

All the threats in the world better not stop Hillary Clinton from this race. That would be a fool's exit.

Posted by: NObama | March 29, 2008 4:24 AM | Report abuse

I heard a good alternative on the News Hour earlier. Instead of dropping out, let Clinton stay in and quit attacking the other Democrat. Instead of implying that McCain would be a better president than Obama, make the case why she would be better than McCain. Then instead of Obama having to spend all his time defending himself against attacks from his fellow Democrat, he can talk about why he has more to offer than McCain. Let the superdelegates and remaining primary (and caucus) voters decide on that basis, instead of relying on the politics of personal destruction.

Posted by: Viejita del oeste | March 29, 2008 4:28 AM | Report abuse

Senator Obama has proven himself to be a better USA loving patriot than the untold many of poorly informed and/or unpatriotic voters who would still vote for McCain/Bush policies that have mostly devastated our economy, foreign policies and placed the US treasury into the pockets of McCain/Bush/Cheney's friends and supporters. Remember the Keating Five, Mcain was the fifth element in the Senate helping to push Charles Humphrey Keating Jr.'s agenda to deregulate the savings and loans industry; and guess who had to pay the billions of dollars to rescue those financial institutions when cheating Keating stole the banks money while taking care of Mcain and his four colleagues in the Senate , Jane and Joe taxpayers. Presently his campaign chief, ex Senator Phil Gramm is one of the main players pushing for less oversight and more deregulations that greatly causing our current economic implosion. Senator Obama is a strong American patriot who can relate effectively with all Americans. He is more honest, fairer-minded and talks to all Americans with love and hope for a stronger future. For a person to deny these facts and support the continued old failed McCain/Bush/Cheney's policies speaks to a loud volume of that person's allegiance to our great country. Time is up for true change.

Posted by: rasgrand | March 29, 2008 4:44 AM | Report abuse

Since the Clinton camp most likely encouraged those bungling bundling buffoons to send this highly disrespectful letter to our House Speaker Leader, I will be directing my ire on the Clintons who are gleefully and selfishly trying hard to hurt our party into defeat. Mike Huckabee without confrontationally attacking his opponent stayed in the Republican race to the end and graciously said adieu. In stark contrast with the groveling viciousness of the Clintons attack on Senator Obama. The Clintons tag team double and triple rabid mugging on Barack Obama has even boomerang into jacking up HRC's negatives in polls after polls. Even the American electorate is tiring of her sock it to Obama relentless assault. If she had not laid out the framework on how to go after Obama the McCain camp would hot have benefited on her behalf. She is as much vulnerable to the Republican hit job, only if she is permitted to pull a slick Hillary muck and tear us apart, like she is bent on doing right now. She must be stopped, please disregard those cheapo donors who could not bundle enough dollars for her to waste on her badly ran campaign. Obama's donor list will be a bonanza to the Democratic Party, and his almost 2 million donors will mostly evaporate if the Clintons are allowed to do their willy-nillys and take our party down with them. Those very crass and repressive, barking donors purposefully let loose on Speaker Pelosi by the Clintons should be made to publicly apologize.

Posted by: rasgrand | March 29, 2008 5:03 AM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter what anyone says, the race will continue. And, if the DNC and the Democratic party is financially hurting right now, maybe they shouldn't have passed over all those wealthy retired folk in Florida! Beauty Contest, Right?

They didn't get to vote with their ballots, but they have the right to vote with the wallets. Go Florida!

Posted by: Sharon | March 29, 2008 5:16 AM | Report abuse

Every presidential election, since the 60's without failure, the masses of Black American voters dutifully line up to vote for the Democratic presidential candidate (all white). Now, some Democrats are speaking as if they want to actually cross over to vote for Republican McCain because our party might actually pick a fully qualified presidential candidate who happens to be a half white and half black man. Yeah, try to throw the weak and baseless reverse racism on him, it won't stick. PLEASE STOP SPREADING LIES ABOUT SENATOR OBAMA. A long lasting and true democracy depends more on the educated than the uneducated. Some people who are posting comments here are too uneducated, dumb and numb at heart and mind. The false rumors some are posting here about Senator Obama is like a mirror exposing the hopelessness and confusion of their sick soul. Senator Obama's quest to be our president may seem to be a bad notion tasting medicine for some. Hey once you open up and let your mind and heart swallow the good possibilities that his presidency will heal our nation. Obama offers the likely cures for diseased economics and hopeless labor markets. Prosperity and peace for the good of our nation are the potentials that Obama honestly seeks. Try it you will like it. In the past so many believed President Abraham Lincoln and the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. were bad medicine for what had ailed this nation but history proved them all wrong. Now ask yourself on which side, blazing its path of perfecting our union, of history you want to be on this time around.reverse racism on him, it won't stick.PLEASE STOP SPREADING LIES ABOUT SENATOR OBAMA. A long lasting and true democracy depends more on the educated than the uneducated. Some people who are posting comments here are too uneducated, dumb and numb at heart and mind. The false rumors some are posting here about Senator Obama is like a mirror exposing the hopelessness and confusion of their sick soul. Senator Obama's quest to be our president may seem to be a bad notion tasting medicine for some. Hey once you open up and let your mind and heart swallow the good possibilities that his presidency will heal our nation. Obama offers the likely cures for diseased economics and hopeless labor markets. Prosperity and peace for the good of our nation are the potentials that Obama honestly seeks. Try it you will like it. In the past so many believed President Abraham Lincoln and the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. were bad medicine for what had ailed this nation but history proved them all wrong. Now ask yourself on which side, blazing its path of perfecting our union, of history you want to be on this time around.

Posted by: rasgrand | March 29, 2008 5:55 AM | Report abuse

If any of our leaders had one tenth of hillary's tenacity, our so-called democratic congress would get things done!!!!!!! the American people should vote and choose a president. pelosi or anyone else has No right to tell us what to do. both clinton and obama should be given space to finish this campaign and let the people decide. otherwise we have NO democracy. the media and all of these so-called politicians should stay out!!!! shame!!!

Posted by: m@m alterman | March 29, 2008 7:28 AM | Report abuse

McCaincrat says: "...Clinton supporters feel there could be enough voters remorse attached to Obama that the delegates should be free to revisit the support that Obama received in the initial primaries."

Remember, buyers' remorse works both ways! I know a lot of Hillary voters who are appalled by her recent behavior and would take back their votes if they could. BUT THEY CAN'T. A vote is a vote. THOSE ARE THE RULES.

Posted by: Sara F | March 29, 2008 7:59 AM | Report abuse

The following sounds a lot like a threat to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and I urge the Post to remove it immediately.

"Here is a message for Nazi Pelosi...

Be very careful.

Posted by: randymk1 | March 28, 2008 05:11 PM "

Posted by: William J. | March 29, 2008 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Please People!!!!! Let the process play itself out and learn to have a little patience.
Obama nor Clinton either one would drop out of a race that was still.... in all HONESTY.... neck and neck. Look at the numbers, polls, percentages and then look at the damages each candidate in their own way have caused to their campaigns. There are many who would pull their previous votes for both.
Reality check today is that......if all these elections were to be reheld from the beginning, I have no doubt all the numbers would be changed and it would be a hard guess to say who would be ahead right now.......IT'S THAT CLOSE!
Everybody needs to step back,take a deep breath and for goodness sake.... let the people vote. ALL OF THEM!

Posted by: Bloomer | March 29, 2008 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Go outside and enjoy the weather. No one is listening to you!

Posted by: Get a Life | March 29, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

How does Hillary damage the party by continuing her race so that all eligible citizens can exercise their vote? Isn't this what democracy is about? What are the pro-Obama superdelegates and the DNC afraid of? What is Obama afraid of? That there may be other skeletons in the closet and that the media may at last scrutinize him as they have Hillary?

I am a retired college professor with degrees from three Ivy schools. I do not believe that my formal education makes me superior to others who have followed alternative work for reasons of necessity or choice. I am amazed by the haughtiness of some Obama supporters who are trying to diminish Hillary loyalists by asserting they are "less educated," and implying they are less informed and less deserving of their right to vote. Wisdom and knowledge are not synonymous with a college education. People vote their life experiences. Those who have labored to feed and provide shelter for their families without the cushion of inherited wealth and influential contacts and who now face a precarious future for themselves and their children are the base of the Democratic Party. To disparage them is to bring into question the rationale of the party. Those at the other end of life have accumulated wisdom born of pain, challenges, and disappointment. Those who as yet can only turn to their college education as an argument for their superiority clearly demonstrate that they are shallow, uncritical, self-serving and basing their lives on false premises and a limited vision of solutions to this nation's problems.

Coming back to the DNC, superdelegates, and Obama, they and the pundits who are clamoring for Clinton's withdrawal from the race, not Clinton, most gravely threaten the party, and more important, the democratic process. Their efforts to bias the outcome by halting the race on the eve of Clinton's expected victory in PA and to block new primaries in MI and FLA will inflict more damage than the continuation of the race. Clinton supporters and those who are still undecided will experience such indignation at the injustice that many will cease to support the Democratic Party. A Republican win could do no greater harm to their participation in a democracy than the disenfranchisement of voters by the Democratic Party.

Posted by: Emjay | March 29, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

All People want a vote. Why is it that the Obama supporters want the vote to end now. How many states are there in the Union, Obama supporters? Do you know how to count are is it the Obama Way to dismiss Americans he feals he doesn't need. The state caucuses are spread out thru the months until August, to give every American a vote. Is this the new way Obama will be handling the American People "if" he is elected. Just dump them in the trash if they don't follow me. That attitude is one of Obama's traits that is coming to light in his interactions.
He cannot handle the truth of any kind, that he feals he may have to look at " himself " and know the American people are looking at him too.

Posted by: wakeupamerica | March 29, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Hillary's supporters are a mixed bag of Democrats, much as we are, and many are doing some soul-searching in the wake of the revelations of Hillary's lack of veracity. Many such supporters are angry with her for her duplicitous behavior on several issues that she has used, beneficially, during this campaign, to the point where many have vowed that she will not get their vote. I sincerely hope that from this disheartened group some, the true Democrats, will find a measure of solace in the unmasking of Hillary, before it's became too late. The Democratic Party has been like a house infested with Republican termites that have been gnawing at its foundations, and soon will destroy it. We need to get these people out of our party, Hillary, Bill, Diane Feinstein, Bill Nelson should lead the way home to the Republican Party where they belong.

Posted by: sicnarfe | March 29, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Why, in heaven's name are people attacking Nancy Pelosi? She is doing her job as Party leader. Hillary and her team of thugs and goons are trying their best to damage the Democratic party for their own misguided attempts to buy the nomination. Step down afer Pennsylvania, Hillary. I would never vote for someone so selfish that she would damage the Party like she seems so intent on doing.

Posted by: Holly in Louisiana | March 29, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

has Pelosi always been an airhead or did that happen as soon as the became speaker of the house

Posted by: lucygirl1@mac.com | March 29, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

The only side benefiting from the continued Democratic campaign is the Republicans. Hillary and Obama will be wasting time, energy, and resources battling each other, and consequently lowering the viability in the General Election, whilst the Republican nominee can go globe trotting to burnish his foreign experience. Since barring some unlikely event, Obama is already unbeatable, then why are the Clintons still pretending they have a chance? If they have some earth-shattering revelation that'll make Obama unelectable, they should get it pronto and spare us the drama.

Posted by: Simon | March 29, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

To: Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry.

This is no time to ask either candidate to drop out. The lead has swung to Obama but can easily swing back.......Why don't the leaders and the media want it to play out? Why have a primary at all if voters can't vote....why do caucus delegates count as much as a voter determined delegate. Why can't the country have a national primary date and stop this drama? Why isn't that fair? Why do the voters have to be lambasted with ads with insidious innuendo? Why can't we have a series of real (not dog and pony show) debates about real issues? Most of our questions about issues are still unanswered.

Finally, let the Democratic Party is warned that millions of women will vote for McCain over Obama. I convinced 4 Republicans personally to vote for her and we will swing right back....We believe his views are closer than ours than Obama's. So, this is not over, and I'm infuriated that my hard work in Texas to insure all voters got to vote is being discounted. The voters in Pennsylvania, West Virginia, North Carolina, Kentucky, Indiana, Michigan, and Florida deserve for their votes to be counted. What does this party want? Anarchy???

Posted by: jeanettegregoryparker | March 29, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Boy ,they sure scare the hell out of Nancy Pelosi.Ha Ha. In Nancy Pelosi you see a real woman that knows how to knife fight. This woman is sharp. She didn't get to be Speaker of the House over a widely male dominated chamber for nothing.She was put in that position because she was a shrinking violet. Bill and Hillary Clinton sent these weasel rich cats to put some muscle on her and it backfired. I can tell you, when you deal with this woman you better pack a lunch, because she is not going to wilt under pressure from some prevaricator like Rambo Clinton.

Posted by: majorteddy | March 29, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

WHAT REV. JEREMIAH WRIGHT BELIEVES
News Type: Opinion -- Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:26 PM EDT
us-news, election, obama, clinton, race, wright
dugan49
When Jeremiah Wright got into a spitting contest with right wing TV host Sean Hannity last year, he at one point refused to answer Hannity's badgering questions and kept asking Hannity "Have you read James Cone, what do you know about black theology? Have you read Cone? Have you read Cone?Have you read Cone?"
James Cone is one of he founders, some say the founder, of Black Liberation Theology. Rev. Jeremiah Wright's ministry, his beliefs about America, and about life itself are formed by his attraction to and acceptance of the writings of James Cone.
Let's look at some quotes from James Cone.
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"The time has come for white America to be silent and listen to black people."
"All white men are responsible for white oppression. "
"Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man 'the devil.'"
"Any advice from whites to blacks on how to deal with white oppression is automatically under suspicion as a clever device to further enslavement."
"Black suffering is getting worse, not better. . . . White supremacy is so clever and evasive that we can hardly name it." (2004)
" Jesus Christ is black therefore not because of some cultural or psychological need of black people, but because and only because Christ really enters into our world where the poor were despised and the black are, disclosing that he is with them enduring humiliation and pain and transforming oppressed slaves into liberating servants."
"Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him."
"The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy."
"What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. "

Posted by: theplanner | March 29, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

JeanetteGP: You are so right!

I am incredulous at the constant call for Senator Clinton to drop out? Primary elections are democracy in action. I'm delighted it has continued and more Americans have the opportunity to vote. This is not a nasty primary at all - it is politics at its best. The media and others have either a short memory or are too young to remember past elections.

My admiration for Nancy Pelosi has waned.
She is not the leader I thought her to be and now she is getting into an unacceptable personal vendetta.

The historical reason for the super delegates is to choose the best candidate, if it comes to that, the one who can win in November. Right or wrong, this country elects by electoral votes - not popular vote. Remember 2000?

And yes - the most democratic way would be to eliminate the small exclusive caucuses that few can attend and have a national primary to insure that every voter in every state can vote.

Posted by: Karol | March 29, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Hillary isn't running for the 2008 election. She is running to KILL the 2008 election to make her more electable in 2012. When she does drop out I almost guarantee you it will come from BILL CLINTON FIRST!!! Just like the loss in SC. She can't admit defeat. She has yet to do so since the primaries began.
She is a poor example for women to look up to. To find her strong is just pathetic to me. If she left Bill and she campaigned on her own, with tag along Chelsea then okay.

Question about Chelsea: She is what 30? Why is the media so EASY with her? SNL needs to do a soft pillow segment for her.
To say credibility is none of the voters business is nothing more than avoiding the issue.
Her mother taught her well, because she bought time to answer by giving a history of number of colleges, blah, blah, blah...
I'd like to see her face this and other REAL questions while she is out and about.

Posted by: Greg | March 29, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Oh... and as for the Clinton Donors...

Since when has bribery been acceptable in an election process?

They are threatening the DCCC and this isn't making headline news???

I'll take a former pastor off the mark comments anyday considering it has nothing to do with the outcome of the race as opposed to threatening the democratic process with money and lies.

Why is it the news doesn't show the video/audio where Hillary wrote off the FL&MI primaries when they were initially punished???????? Now that she needs them she wants to pretend she is their friend.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 29, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Who would want to give a donation to the DCCC?

Why reward her?

If you want to donate money to the Democratic Party, then donate it to the DNC, which is headed by Howard Dean. He is the man mostly responsible for helping the Democrats win big on federal, state and local levels two years ago. He is still flying under the radar, empowering people all over the country to "take our country back!"

Posted by: Kevin Schmidt | March 29, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi will be voted out of office come Election Day in November. Cindy Sheehan is running as an Independent against Pelosi because Pelosi is no longer a true Democrat and Pelosi does not fight for the wishes of the people.

Pelosi may have the big lobbyists funding her reelection campaign, but Sheehan has the grass roots and the votes behind her.

Thanks to Sheehan, Pelosi is off the table.

Posted by: Kevin Schmidt | March 29, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

If Hillary is robbed of the opportunity for fair access to every legal voter in the country, including Florida and Michigan, she should either run as an Independent or as a write-in candidate in November. The DNC has created an unbridgeable chasm and must now pay the price.

Posted by: Carol | March 29, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Honestly, Pelosi is worthless. Her barely disguised support of Obama is not a surprise. Hillary Clinton in the WH might actually make her work and have a backbone!

Obama, Mr. NO VOTE (Obama has been described as a dilettante by both Ill. and Senate legislators) would certainly allow her to continue business as usual in the house...and keep that approval rating in the teens!

Posted by: LNAB | March 29, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

So, Nancy Pelosi supports the will of the people. What about the people who live in Michigan and Florida? What about Kennedy, Kerry, and Richardson whose states voted for Hillary but who support Obama? Is Nancy going to chastise them?

This is a joke. Obama wants to steal the nomination and he is doing it ala Bush.

Posted by: Sheri | March 29, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

What am I missing here? Sounds like someone is speaking out of both sides of her mouth:

From one side she says: "When did our primary process become a practice in doing and believing what the "higher-ups" tell us?"

Great, I get to make my own decision on who should be the nominee. The party will nominate who the people select.

Then from the other side of her mouth: "The superdelegates were not put in place to reflect the will of the people. They were put in place to use their professional experience/opinions to choose the candidate that will best represent the Democratic party during the general election; to ensure that the Dem party does not elect a weak candidate that cannot compete agaisnt the Repub nom., or more simply put, Barack Obama."

I really have a problem with this. From one side of her mouth she says I don't have to do and believe what the "higher-ups" tell me. The other side of her mouth says I must accept the "practice in doing and believing what the "higher-ups" (AKA Super Delegates) tell us".

I guess I have come to expect this from a brain washed HilliBilly. Step aside; step aside, the Mighty Hillary is walking your way. Let's tear apart the Democratic Party for Hillary. Hillary must win at any cost. The majority of people are too stupid to vote. The Super Delegates will vote for them.

I say let the nomination process continue. Neither candidate should drop out or be expected to drop out. Let's count the votes at the end and our nominee will be the one chosen by the majority of the people. That is Democracy in action.

Well HilliBilly lady, you and your "professionals" can overturn the free will of the people at the end of the nomination process. You don't have to count my vote. But if you and they do your "professionals" will be forced to count my vote for McCain in November.

Duck and run, sniper fire:)

Posted by: John from Ohio | March 29, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

IT IS 3 A.M. AND THE PHONE IS RINGING, WHO WOULD YOU LIKE CALLING YOU.

"Hey Barry, This is Tony, How are you buddy"

BARRY: I am fine Tony but I am not getting much sleep. That monster, Hillary won't get away no matter what my campaign does. I even asked my Vermont lackey to demand her to quit but it seems that they they are onto our schemes and machinations. We might lose this one Tony.

TONY: Oh don't worry too much about it. There are still many suckers who believe in you. By the way how is our friend Jerry?

BARRY: That SOB caused me too much trouble. I told him to hide and not show his face until December. Luckily I think, I somewhat
found a way to deflect the issue. You know, throw some beautiful phrases such as " the genius of America and the "greatness of America" and with the aid of the fawning media, those suckers believed it. Look at the poll numbers.

TONY: Oh good Barry, Jerry is really a problem. He hates America, he hates Jews and those garlic noses from tha cast of the Sopranos.I can understand you needed him in Chicago but I am afraid Karl Rove is now salivating at the prospect of you being their opponent.

BARRY: Yeah, that will be a big problem later on. Those republican 527's will haunt me day and night on Jerry and I am afraid the people will finally see the truth. By the way what are you doing now Tony?

TONY: Pat is needling me to make a deal with him, you know about our relationship but I told him that I will just take my chance with you.

BARRY: No matter what, don't tell him our secret. I wiil take care of you just like Libby.

TONY: Okay just don't forget about me. I will call you you later on same time 3 a.m.

Posted by: tim 591 | March 29, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton would do anything to win? That's an amazing comment coming from the fans of the candidate who has played his race card after any little criticism of himself, has accomplished nothing of note, is racially and politically divisive, and now has his supporters calling for an end to the democratic process of electing a president! His arrogance and sense of entitlement has trickled on down to his fans. If Obama does manage to get the nomination, he will lose by a landslide to McCain, and here is one lifelong Democrat who will contribute to his losing. And, no, my disgust and anger will not abate by November.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 29, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

The richest campaign will win? This is absolutely against every Democratical Ideal. And still it is possible that money will decide and end this drama!

Yesterday I listened to Sen. Bob Casey. He was talking about his four beautiful and intelligent daughters, he was talking about youths in common and he was talking about Barack Obama. He especially noticed Obamas strength when he has been under fire........etc. etc....

Mr Casey, honestly - this man has never been under real fire! To me he sounds like a very, very dangerous youth manipulator only...... Mr Casey, for sure this perfect orator has no Obama-girls hiding in his cloakroom at the Obama theater. But you know Mr. Casey, you know absolutely nothing about him. He might have......... because you do not know anything about him!

"The fears urgency of now" - if you vote for him now it might be too late to change! It´s too late when you suddenly realice what kind of man Obama really was. You have no free return .......!

This man is not a uniter. He is deliberatly or unawarely dividing youths from elder citizens in this great nation, he has been contributing to racial diversion whatever you say Mr. Senator Casey. He has deliberity excluded some states and their voice will not be heard because it is against his own possible future power.

This unnatural man and his followers are not to be trusted, he is not decent Mr. Senator Casey! This man is going to break down the United States of America. This man deliberatly steals politcal arguments from his fellow Democrate competitor, this man has never, ever been talking about sexism and equal rights regardless gender.

Mr. Sen. Bob Casey in all honesty I feel sorry for your beautiful and intelligent daughters! This man is talking about endorsements from Washington insiders, this man is trying to split and create diversion and finally again he is not talking about the public votes from Florida and Michigan because he is not a man to be trusted on.

"Sexy Obama Joins" (Source:ABC News).......well, well, well all young boys and girls come on and vote for Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Richard | March 29, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters shouldn't be worried about Hillary. She will get to the White House. Worry about OBAMA, he will never get there. We are die hard democrats and Hillary supporters but not even Hillary can force us to vote for him in November. And for Pelosi, I am from California. She is better off shutting her mouth up. There are already a lot of elder democrats that lost our respect here in California. We are now leaning to become independents and vote for MCCAIN

Posted by: Alicia | March 29, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

The fact of the matter is in the democratic nomination the winner is not who has the more pledged delegates it is who reaches 2024. If it was who has more pledged delegates they should have said so but these are the rules that should be respected from Nancy Peloci and every democrats !

Posted by: CVO | March 29, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Clinton better watch which lioness she pokes her stick at least she get shredded to ribbons.

Pelosi is Speaker for a reason: she demands absolute loyalty and discipline from all House democrats; she plays better hardball politics than anyone else in the house; she has a backbone of steel.

In a cat-fight, Clinton is no match for Pelosi.

Posted by: Catherine Houston, TX | March 29, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats have been in control of both houses for a year and a half
and where has the economy gone ?
and where has the price of oil gone ?
and where has the US dollar gone ?
Who's twisted house bill forced the motrgage lenders to make loans to the UN Loanable ?
Yes, friends, the Democrats...

Our 3rd world country is headed for Marxism at best if we keep going the Democrat way...........Get out and get rid of the Reid /Pelosi 101 Eco courses and remember "You are Entitled to NUTTIN "

Posted by: slash | March 29, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Hello? Are we just going to take what happened in Michigan and Florida? WAKE UP! The people are being denied their votes there, which will affect all of us. This is almost worse than what happened in 2000. Once again, because of a major bungle by party democrats who "represent" the voters, two key states may not have a say. Nancy Pelosi also does not have any more say than individual tax payers votes.
Why would anyone want Obama if he is so scared to let yet another big state have a vote? The only reason he is ahead is because of caucuses which are virtually off limits to older, or less mobile voters. He capitalized on that and his slim lead is therefore hollow. This is evident in how Clinton has won the key primaries...think about it- do we want some voter activists making our choice or do we all voters to have a say?
The reason people are angry and threatening to leave the party is that Obama is being shoved downed our throats by the media, and all voters have not had their say!! The media want Obama because he would be beta by McCain. The major networks all suppoted Bush, the nuclear industry, etc, etc.
If Obama supporters are so sure of themselves they too should push of the delegates from Michigan and Florida to be allocated appropriately, or demand a fair vote. Otherwise we all know what happens when a cheater gets elected.....I for one am not up for that!

Posted by: kelly | March 29, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Hello? Are we just going to take what happened in Michigan and Florida? WAKE UP! The people are being denied their votes there, which will affect all of us. This is almost worse than what happened in 2000. Once again, because of a major bungle by party democrats who "represent" the voters, two key states may not have a say. Nancy Pelosi also does not have any more say than individual tax payers votes.
Why would anyone want Obama if he is so scared to let yet another big state have a vote? The only reason he is ahead is because of caucuses which are virtually off limits to older, or less mobile voters. He capitalized on that and his slim lead is therefore hollow. This is evident in how Clinton has won the key primaries...think about it- do we want some voter activists making our choice or do we all voters to have a say?
The reason people are angry and threatening to leave the party is that Obama is being shoved downed our throats by the media, and all voters have not had their say!! The media want Obama because he would be beta by McCain. The major networks all suppoted Bush, the nuclear industry, etc, etc.
If Obama supporters are so sure of themselves they too should push of the delegates from Michigan and Florida to be allocated appropriately, or demand a fair vote. Otherwise we all know what happens when a cheater gets elected.....I for one am not up for that!

Posted by: kelly | March 29, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Obama has taken $213,884 from the oil and gas industry as of Feb. 29th, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Sen. Hillary Clinton has taken $306,813 in that same period.

Two of Obama's campaign bundlers are also CEOs for oil and gas companies, per a list released on his campaign Web site.

Robert Cavnar, listed as a bundler who has raised between $50,000 to $100,000 for the campaign, is the chairman and CEO of Mission Resources Corp., a Houston-based firm. George Kaiser, also listed in the same $50,000 to $100,000 category, is the CEO of Tulsa-based Kaiser-Francis Oil Company.

Posted by: pander | March 29, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

There are only 2 kinds of republicans. Rich ones and suckers.

Obama will win and every republisucker will be eating their words and the Dems are going to laugh all the way to the Whitehouse.

hehehehe... rethuglipunks are so stupid it really is funny. :)


Posted by: wirehedd | March 29, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

We need someone in the Oval office that can heal old and new wounds not someone that continues to jab knives into for political gain. Someone that unites and not divides. This is not a game, running for president. It will take some with abilities to lead once again in the world and listen to the wisdom of others not just political insiders. We need ___________ in Office, else it is just another four years of the same political games.

Posted by: stenopterygious | March 29, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

..... as for Michigan and Florida; Michigan voters got screwed bu their own state party leaders trying to dictate policy to the DNC and they got spanked for it, Florida on the other hand got screwed by their republican state leaders to just screw over Dems.

Michigan I can see getting a revote if they will fund it, otherwise they are SOL.

Who really cares about Florida? It's not like they do a lot for honest elections anyway. Good riddance.

People who sit there and harp on about it can simply be quiet now as your opinbion is just as worthless as every one of theirs' (MI and FL voters that is)

"There are only 2 kinds of republicans. Rich ones and suckers"

Posted by: wirehedd | March 29, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

If Senator Clinton was not a threat to Obama and was to lose anyway then why is he soooooo worried about her now and wants her to quit? I did not see John Mcain attempting so hard to convince Mike Huckaby to quit the race. That was definitely because he knew he was not going anywhere.
Nancy Pelosi is not in any position to suggest to the super delegates who to vote for and as she said they should take in consideration other factors, one of which is primary votes which could be reversed to senator Clinton's side after Pennsylvania and other states. Another factor is that Senator Obama happened to be a divider not a uniter. Senator Obama's relationship to his mentor/pastor disqualifies his candidacy. Given these facts, he is not going to win in November, even if senator Clinton asked her supporters to vote for him. You know why? because we all want God to bless America!

Posted by: CVO | March 29, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

"I am not a member of any organized party--I am a Democrat."

"What's good for me is what's good for everyone else--I am a Democrat."

"If it feels good,do it --I am a Democrat."

"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs--I am a Democrat."

"France is okay with me --I am a Democrat."

Osama bin Laden says - "I like Democrats - they taste like chicken"........

Posted by: Osama | March 29, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

IF THE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, IN ITS LUNACY CHOOSE OBAMA AS ITS NOMINEE I WILL VOTE FOR SEN. MCCAIN.

I WILL NOT ENTRUST THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF MY FAMILY TO THIS UNPROVEN ROOKIE.

Posted by: tim591 | March 29, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

POEPLE!

What I hear from many Obama supporters this year (and what I've heard in a number of campaigns over the years) goes something like this: "This candidate is special, he's a once in a generation person, we have a chance to really change things." Usually these words are spoken by folks who don't like politics and want politics to change. I heard this story in '60, '64, '68, '72, '74, '76, '80, '84, '88, '92, '94, '98, '00, '04, and '06, and I'm hearing it again this year.
.
I have a REVELATION for those folks: Politics never changes.

This is TRUTH ..... and all the "media savvy" dolts in God's green earth can't change it.

That includes ALL of you, as well as myself.

Posted by: oldoldfart | March 29, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Health care for ALL!!!

Marvelous!!!!!

Uhh - How do we pay for it?

Posted by: oldphilosopher | March 29, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

NOBAMA,
Who's gonna crush the dem or Obama? The senile McBush? If he cannot defirentiate Shiite between Sunni, Kurds or he can't undentify his location between Iraq and Iran. I will put my bet on Obama.

Posted by: Danel | March 29, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

you are all writing fiction

Posted by: arthurcclarke | March 29, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Chelsea for President 2016!

Posted by: Tiresias | March 29, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

AGAIN,GENIUSES :


Health care for ALL!!!

Marvelous!!!!!

Uhh - How do we pay for it?

Posted by: oldphilosopher | March 29, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Chelsea for President 2016!

Now, THERE'S a refreshing idea!

B-A-R-F !!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: YouGoGirl!!! | March 29, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

AND AGAIN,GENIUSES :


Health care for ALL!!!

Marvelous!!!!!

Uhh - How do we pay for it?

Posted by: OLDPHILOSOPHER | March 29, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Obama's campaign has played dirty from the get go. He began the attacks against Senator Clinton last year since it was the only method available to topple her from the front runner position. He has proved himself a liar time and time again. The dirty little expose from Larry Sinclair is waiting to explode, but the Obama camp continues to threaten Mr. Sinclair's well being if he opens his mouth. Senator Clinton should fight all the way through the convention, and even head a third party ticket, if the power manipulators like Pelosi, Leahy and Kennedy continue to play the same type of back stabbing politics as Cheney and Rove. If McCain wins in November the blame rests solely with Obama and his foolish followers.

Posted by: rc | March 29, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

All of the above (and much of what will doubtless follow) is proof that the traditional circular firing squad so beloved by the Democratic Party is still in good working order. I used to feel good about being a Democrat. Now, not so much.

So go ahead Obama and Clinton zealots: lock, load, and fire at will -- and when the smoke finally clears, get used to hearing the phrase "President McCain" for the next four years.

Posted by: aNDYjACKSONTURNING | March 29, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

SO, AND YET AGAIN,GENIUSES :


Health care for ALL!!!

Marvelous!!!!!

Uhh - How do we pay for it?

Posted by: olderphilosopher | March 29, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Written above: "It will take some with abilities to lead once again in the world and listen to the wisdom of others....".

The world does not need the kind of man that Barack Obama represents. His arrogancy and his oratorial masterpieces will not be understood. A man who always has to keep his head and cheaks too high and a man who looks down at others has no international future. Obama will not have the abilities to restore the reputation of the United States abroad. As a matter of fact I strongly believe that Barack Obama and his supercilious behavior and language will create anger in foreign relations. He is not a diplomat!

Posted by: Richard | March 29, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Do ANY of the members of the Democrat "Sack of Hammers" Party even KNOW about Spellcheck?

Good Lord, you all seem to have the IQ of an Iguana!!

Posted by: analcompulsive | March 29, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

ONE MORE TIME,GENIUSES :


Health care for ALL!!!

Marvelous!!!!!

Uhh - How do we pay for it?

Posted by: oldphilosopher | March 29, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

"Democrat "Sack of Hammers" Party " ????

It should read 'Democratic "Sack of Hammers" Party' (whatever that means )

Posted by: Anonymous | March 29, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

come on, people, have a heart!

Hillary '08

Posted by: charity | March 29, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Uhh - How do we pay for it?

We start by euthanizing foolish old philosophers.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 29, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

I figured that would get a response!

Google "sack of hammers"...

"Democrat "Sack of Hammers" Party " ????

It should read 'Democratic "Sack of Hammers" Party' (whatever that means )

Posted by: analcompulsive | March 29, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse


That wasn't very nice, Barack!

Uhh - How do we pay for it?

We start by euthanizing foolish old philosophers.

Posted by: oldphilosopher | March 29, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Hey Low IQ person about Health Care For
All ! How do we pay for it?

Get the H E L L out of Irag. How many Billions every week?

Get the message S T U P I D ?

Posted by: Bill | March 29, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Clinton supporters -even the most fervent- will come round this fall. Her female supporters will sober up once they realize that McCain and Co., will take away their reproductive rights when he appoints 2 to 3 Supreme Court justices. And if they don't why we can go back to the good ole 1950s; when a wife wore high-heels, a pearl chocker and spent the day cleaning and cooking.

Posted by: tanaS | March 29, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

The more viscious and aggressive the Clintons become, the more ground they lose. I don't understand them. Are they so desperate that they have lost touch with reality?

If I don't understand tactics, I do understand their desperation. Bill was planning to use the White House as a power base for his questionable business dealings. If she (he) loses the nomination that puts his plans in disarray.

So what will the Clintons do when Obama gets the nomination? Will they try to get Obama to put her on the ticket? He would be crazy to do that. They would subvert him at every turn and try to destroy his presidency. The alternative is them carrying on as before. But given their tremendous egos I cannot see Hillary returning docilly to the senate after suffering the humiliation of losing (and making so many enemies). What will they do? It can't be anything benign.

Posted by: Anita Mason | March 29, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

You Hillary supporters or closet Republicans need to chill out. Pelosi didn't demand anything. She stated a democratic principle that most believe in. That is that if a candidate has the most delegates and popular support in June it would be bad for the party if the super-delegates took that away.

Don't get started on your "disenfranchised" crap in Michigan and Florida. They broke the rules that are there so that states don't start leapfrogging eachother and so that smaller states get some political attention.

Hillary was on board months ago when the party stripped them of their delegates. Lets get on to the Presidential race and whip George Bush act 3 and prevent McCain from appointing 2 or 3 more Scalia's.

Posted by: mm | March 29, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

gmundenat -

You must be proud of your high school diploma, eh?

Posted by: intcamd | March 29, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

chet - to this fool, I can only say that your wish will half come true. Since Clinton does not appear to be getting the nomination, a whole bunch of us will indeed vote for your 2nd choice McCain.

Posted by: intcamd | March 29, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Anita Mason

You are a pompous gas bag. You accuse CLinton supporters of being vicious, and yet your useless post has nothing but empty attacks against Clinton.

I hope Mrs Clinton will never agree to be on the same ticket with the empty suit. Makes it much easier to vote against him in Nov

Posted by: intcamd | March 29, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

mm

Pledged delegates does not equal popular support. You Obama fan nincompoops can't tell the difference, but the two are different.

Obama is for now leading in the popular vote but just. WHen PA comes in and if FL is included, they would be tied.

Posted by: intcamd | March 29, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

I have been shocked by Speaker's previous provoking statement on behalf of Obama's candidacy, while we voters are still figuring out his high talks as oppose to his low political passages. While Madam has become the first woman speaker, she is not eager to see any possibility to have a woman president any time soon. Burning a bridge before the woman presidential candidate could cross. Mostly, using the means of short cutting the primary process set by the Democratic Party. The faulty process brought us the mess and few demarcate powerfuls want to sacrifice the woman candidate, that is just fantastic! If on the contrary, Obama was told to drop from the race, I am sure the racist issue will cover up the entire media of America. But sacrifice a lady, not one cares, including madam speaker.

It is scary to read democrats who support Senator Obama to tear Senator Clinton in such irresponsible ways and in such a volume in blogs everywhere you could found. It is not a democratic debate; it is vicious on going attack from day one. Obama campaign has done effective jobs to have their surrogates to sabotage Clinton. His hypocritical oratory wins and democracy looses. This frightens me away from Democratic Party. The people are vicious; the powerful few are taking lead to kicking Senator Clinton out of their wishful way. Not fair and I do not want to be part of this. Bush ruined this country and Democrats is self-destructing. No way this country will be saved from declining, for we are not civil and not fair.

Please let us not have the columnists, who concerted in pushing Senator Clinton off the trail and do the king-making act. Let us not have the power brokers in the Democratic Party say the race is over and do the king-making act. Obama's has not won. But if the dem's powerful ones act like the Supreme Court on GWB's presidency, cutting short the process, anoint Obama out right, premature of the primary, then, they better be ready to bare the consequences.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 29, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

intcamd--You are confused, the lesser educated among us are Hillary supporters.

Posted by: gmundenat | March 29, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

At this point I believe Hillary will stay in the race simply as spoiler. She hopes to damage Obama so that he will lose in the fall and she has a chance in the next election.

I have been an apologist for the Clintons for a long time. No more. They have lost my respect and I have finally had to concede that they truly are only about themselves and power and winning at all costs for their incredible egos.

Posted by: Livvy | March 29, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm so sick and tired of HRC's mantra that asks what did Obama DO besides make a speech against the idea of invading Iraq. What the Hell else could he do but speak out against it? He couldn't single handedly prevent the unelected fool Bush from shipping our kids to Iraq. Obama spoke up when it was very unpopular to go against Bush and his cronies rush to war. Hillary is the one who always rubberstamped every whim of Bush. I'd like to know how in the Hell she could trust Bush...I was finished with her way back then for that.

Posted by: greenibgogo | March 29, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Thanks MM for believing in the Democratic process. It should work the same in the primary as well as the National. Thank Gosh the National doesn't have "Super Delegates".

I still oppose the "Electoral College" makeup.

For those that don't believe in the popular vote, the Electoral College worked just like they hoped 8 years ago. I am sure they are happy with the results. The Super Delegates are the equivalent of the Electoral College. The appointees to the Electoral College do not have to vote for the candidate theat won the popular vote in their state. Just like the Super Delegates don't have to vote by the popular vote either.

And for the misguided and uninformed or those just blinded by the Clinton royalty, look at the polls at Real Clear Politics. There Obama wins over McCain by 0.9%. Hillary loses by 1.2%.

Over at Rasmussen, McCain is shown in the lead. 5% over Obama and a whopping 11% over Clinton.

Clinton is so far the loser. No, she shouldn't drop out. When the last vote is counted and the Fat Lady sings, we should have our nominee by the Democratic process. Not some hand picked nominee that was bought and paid for.

Fight and bicker everyone. Scream that the "high and mighty Super Delegates" should be allowed to be bought and paid for by the Clinton camp. Set aside the popular vote, continue this stupid war of words between the 2 candidates.

Then come November, McCain will be laughing all the way to the platform to take his oath of office.

Posted by: John from Ohio | March 29, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

intcamd---unless we have a procedural change at the convention, the contest is still being judged by delegates.

Posted by: major teddy | March 29, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Nanci Peloci should quit her own post. Anyone with an approval rating double digits below a strignt C student should give up her leadership role.

Silencing voters' voice is a recipe for defeat. Disenfrenchising millions in Florida and Michigan is a guarantee for McCain victory.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 29, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

let the donors withold their funding. who cares? they can take their ball and go home. THIS ELECTION IS NOT FOR SALE.

Posted by: vic | March 29, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

I am really getting tired of this dirty politics. Why is it that I live in a Democratic area of Northern California. Most of the the people that I know to be long time Democrats are Obama supporters. Could it be that the pro-Clinton posts we see are really being written by Rush Limbaugh listeners of the Republican persuasion?

Posted by: 6925thcobras | March 29, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

What I meant to say, but chopped up my sentence, was that I think that the people who write into these sites to promote Hilary and critcize Obama are actually prompted to do so by the talk radio hosts who favor the Republican Party. They know that if Hilary gets nominated, McCain is a shoe in. The is dirty politics.

Posted by: 6925thcobras | March 29, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

To say that I am disgusted, and absolutely horrified, at the depth of hate and bigotry, that is expressed in so many of these comments, would be putting it mildly.

This is especially for "MANSMUN"!

I was going to give you a pass because I realize that this is a very heated race for a democratic nominee. However, I agree with Patrick, Mike, and Nate! You are so filled with hate, the claims that you have been making is so obviously due to bigotry, that even though I am not going to lower myself to your level by calling you names, I think that you are in dire need of some counselling!

To all the others who have been spouting hate. I think that you can help the candidate of your choice a great deal more, if you can tell people of the good/great things that said candidate has done, instead of just spouting hate and inaccuracies about the other candidate!

So guys do some research and show your candidate that you will not uphold inaccuracies and disgusting untruths.

Posted by: ICL | March 29, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

hey posted by no name calling for Nancy Pelosi to quit===Now there's a woman I could see as president. Damn, that woman knows her stuff. She has come up on her own. She is the daughter of a mayor of Baltimore and she's knows how to act.

Posted by: major teddy | March 29, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

I AM A CLINTON SUPPORTER AND I DID NOT GET TO MEDICAL SCHOOL , PRACTICED MEDICINE FOR 30 YEARS AND HELPED THE POOR AND THE SICK AND BE CALLED "LESS EDUCATED CLINTON SUPPORTER." DO YOU REALLY THINK MY EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE IN LIFE IS LESS THAN OBAMA AND HIS SUPPORTERS. I AM 82 YEARS OLD WITH A MIND MORE LUCID THAN THE SO CALLED PUNDITS THAT ARE BASHING HILLARY.

Posted by: LADY MD | March 29, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Well Lady MD, one thing you didn't learn in your 82 years is Internet Etiquette. Writing in all caps is considered to be in very poor taste and the equivalent of shouting. There is no need to "shout" of your personal accomplishments. More importantly, please don't think you are the "only" accomplished person writing in this forum. I happen to be an Obama supporter and do not appreciate your implication that you somehow think yourself superior to me.

At the present time, I am an Obama supporter. But I hold dear to my heart the will of the people. I will, without hesitation, join in the support of the candidate that wins the nomination fairly. Winning the nomination fairly is simply which candidate receives the most popular votes. If that margin is only a single vote, that is the candidate I will support. Be it Mr. Obama or Mrs. Clinton, it matters not when the final tally comes in.

However, should behind the scenes maneuvering of any kind be such that the candidate with the greater number of popular votes is not selected as the Democratic nominee; I must assume that candidate is "tainted" and owes to a select few instead of my country.

In that tainted atmosphere, I will throw my support behind Mr. McCain.

Now Lady MD, I will move on to accomplishments. I happen to be a white male of 60. I am a Professional Engineer.

Over 20 years ago, I founded my engineering company on my kitchen table. Today I employ over 45 wonderful people, 38 are highly skilled engineers. My main office is in Ohio with a branch office operating in Pennsylvania. I am proud to say that from the day I started my company, only 1 person has left my employment. He left with my best wishes to start "his own company". Because it is a free country and my company has zero turnover of employees, it should be a "given" that they are treated in a professional manner.

So in conclusion Lady MD, you chose to imply your knowledge and experience are greater than mine because I am an Obama supporter.

Why then would you choose to demonstrate your vast knowledge and experience with the following nonsensical statement? How many of your patients lived after you treated them?

I AM A CLINTON SUPPORTER AND I DID NOT GET TO MEDICAL SCHOOL , PRACTICED MEDICINE FOR 30 YEARS AND HELPED THE POOR AND THE SICK AND BE CALLED "LESS EDUCATED CLINTON SUPPORTER."

To be perfectly honest, after reading your post I don't believe you were a Medical Doctor nor believe you have the credentials or experience you claim. I think you are more likely a grade school student with a penchant for political imaginations. You really should get back to your homework.

Posted by: John from Ohio | March 30, 2008 2:06 AM | Report abuse

It boggles the mind to conceive that so many people feel Hillary obtained moxie in learning how to improve the economy and everything good about America. Obviously, they never examined the Clinton fetish for "anything it takes to job disguise our ineptitude", ie., be "users of people". It dates back to Bill's 2 tenures as Arkansas governor. Silver tongued Bill, and he is silver tongued, reigned over a State that certainly did prevent the employment rate from decreasing. It definitely increased with the population growth. But at what expense? The State dropped from the 36th most polluted to the 49th. The Arkansas River became the second most polluted body of water in the US under saintly Bill. (Thank God for Mississippi, as the saying goes). In essence, companies were encouraged to not leave Arkansas by lifting every imaginable ecological standard to keep them. If they wanted to build outhouses on the nearest lake to preserve workspace, so be it. (A very "slight" exaggeration.) If not for 4 renewed UAW contracts that were negotiated in Michigan (not in AK), the actual average living wage would have decreased in Arkansas, irrespective of the stop-loss in jobs. Silver tongued Bill and Hillary never heard or could spell the words or phrases "ecology" or "information technology". This is a man and wife who campaigned as William "Jefferson Davis" Clinton in the South and William "Thomas Jefferson" Clinton in the North. Greater duplicity hath no man (or family).
The Clinton's reputation was built on their unparalled economic growth while co-Presidents. What! Has any Clinton proponent ever examined their actual input?
Al Gore (I'm not promoting him for Pres, VP, UN Amb., SoS or any other position, but, I believe the evidence depicts him as perhaps the greatest VP selection that anyone could have ever appointed and even the greatest President the US never had.)
Chalk one up for WJC.
Gore was credited (and his remarks were discredited by the right-wingers) by Vinton Cerf and Bob Kahn, who are internationally recognized as the founders by stating that if not for Al Gore, the internet would have been delayed in openning to the world by at least 5 to 7 years. They did not say Clinton, nor even mention his name in their remarks.
When Clinton learned of the Internet's potential, his immediate desire was to make it available to other Countries and international corporations to expand their business into the US and seal his legacy as their future world's ambassador. Gore was appalled. As Cerf and Kahn stated, "Gore wanted the internet to be made available without cost or at nominal cost as a teaching and information tool to every student, every child, every family in the US and the world. He wanted teaching institutions to be the pathways to this change. Clinton viewed it as an economic tool, new economic stream for international companies and as the evidence suggests, a way of keeping track of every individual in the world, when they took a piss, whether they were alone when doing so and whether they were sitting or standing. Don't you recall? Clinton wanted a computerized National ID card! His Democratic Congress and the Republicans resoundingly rejected it.
As an aside, Cerf is the son of the late Bennett Cerf, founder of Random House Books and panelist on 'WHAT'S MY LINE". He and Bob Kahn are also the principles and major players in the developement of "Google". Who would be willing to sacrifice his/her integrity to promote the Clintons? Everyone with integrity has seen how it fractured Gore's sense of loyalty. Has anyone ever heard a Clinton state that if not for Al Gore's vision, their economy and legacy would have been a bust? Have they ever thanked him? Isn't it odd that those in the Clinton administration who made the greatest impact on world peace and domestic economic success are now endorsing Obama?.
Hillary is not an Indira Ghandi, Golda Meir, Not even a Margaret Thatcher, or even (God forbid) a Condoleeza Rice. I can't even think of a speech, comment or aside when any of them blistered or ebased someone she disagreed. Now Condi has said, "The President feels......". But as Toni Morrison said, "The truth is in admitting mistakes". The first black President? Maybe his soul, for I don't find a heart!


Look at his legacy! Medicaid and for international expansion HIS IMMEDIATE DESIRE WAS TO MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO CORPORATIONS FOR INTERNATIONAL EXPANSION OF DATA AND TRADE. yOU, AND ME AND EVERY jOHN sMITH'S AND mARY jONESDtof the Internet, perhaps. were

Posted by: ultralib | March 30, 2008 2:48 AM | Report abuse

It boggles the mind to conceive that so many people feel Hillary obtained moxie in learning how to improve the economy and everything good about America. Obviously, they never examined the Clinton fetish for "anything it takes to job disguise our ineptitude", ie., be "users of people". It dates back to Bill's 2 tenures as Arkansas governor. Silver tongued Bill, and he is silver tongued, reigned over a State that certainly did prevent the employment rate from decreasing. It definitely increased with the population growth. But at what expense? The State dropped from the 36th most polluted to the 49th. The Arkansas River became the second most polluted body of water in the US under saintly Bill. (Thank God for Mississippi, as the saying goes). In essence, companies were encouraged to not leave Arkansas by lifting every imaginable ecological standard to keep them. If they wanted to build outhouses on the nearest lake to preserve workspace, so be it. (A very "slight" exaggeration.) If not for 4 renewed UAW contracts that were negotiated in Michigan (not in AK), the actual average living wage would have decreased in Arkansas, irrespective of the stop-loss in jobs. Silver tongued Bill and Hillary never heard or could spell the words or phrases "ecology" or "information technology". This is a man and wife who campaigned as William "Jefferson Davis" Clinton in the South and William "Thomas Jefferson" Clinton in the North. Greater duplicity hath no man (or family).
The Clinton's reputation was built on their unparalled economic growth while co-Presidents. What! Has any Clinton proponent ever examined their actual input?
Al Gore (I'm not promoting him for Pres, VP, UN Amb., SoS or any other position, but, I believe the evidence depicts him as perhaps the greatest VP selection that anyone could have ever appointed and even the greatest President the US never had.)
Chalk one up for WJC.
Gore was credited (and his remarks were discredited by the right-wingers) by Vinton Cerf and Bob Kahn, who are internationally recognized as the founders by stating that if not for Al Gore, the internet would have been delayed in openning to the world by at least 5 to 7 years. They did not say Clinton, nor even mention his name in their remarks.
When Clinton learned of the Internet's potential, his immediate desire was to make it available to other Countries and international corporations to expand their business into the US and seal his legacy as their future world's ambassador. Gore was appalled. As Cerf and Kahn stated, "Gore wanted the internet to be made available without cost or at nominal cost as a teaching and information tool to every student, every child, every family in the US and the world. He wanted teaching institutions to be the pathways to this change. Clinton viewed it as an economic tool, new economic stream for international companies and as the evidence suggests, a way of keeping track of every individual in the world, when they took a piss, whether they were alone when doing so and whether they were sitting or standing. Don't you recall? Clinton wanted a computerized National ID card! His Democratic Congress and the Republicans resoundingly rejected it.
As an aside, Cerf is the son of the late Bennett Cerf, founder of Random House Books and panelist on 'WHAT'S MY LINE". He and Bob Kahn are also the principles and major players in the developement of "Google". Who would be willing to sacrifice his/her integrity to promote the Clintons? Everyone with integrity has seen how it fractured Gore's sense of loyalty. Has anyone ever heard a Clinton state that if not for Al Gore's vision, their economy and legacy would have been a bust? Have they ever thanked him? Isn't it odd that those in the Clinton administration who made the greatest impact on world peace and domestic economic success are now endorsing Obama?.
Hillary is not an Indira Ghandi, Golda Meir, Not even a Margaret Thatcher, or even (God forbid) a Condoleeza Rice. I can't even think of a speech, comment or aside when any of them blistered or ebased someone she disagreed. Now Condi has said, "The President feels......". But as Toni Morrison said, "The truth is in admitting mistakes". The first black President? Maybe his soul, for I don't find a heart!


Look at his legacy! Medicaid and for international expansion HIS IMMEDIATE DESIRE WAS TO MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO CORPORATIONS FOR INTERNATIONAL EXPANSION OF DATA AND TRADE. yOU, AND ME AND EVERY jOHN sMITH'S AND mARY jONESDtof the Internet, perhaps. were

Posted by: ultralib | March 30, 2008 2:48 AM | Report abuse

I am surprised politics in America is also taken too personal. There is almost no difference between running politics in a so-called 'free world' and that of a 'third world' country like mine. Here politicians do anything within their means to cling to power... It is too personal and the money or vote buying is key. My President has clang to power or more than 20 years and has recently altered the constitution to open-term limits. He now grooms his wife and son for continuity of the presidency in fake elections. 'Friends, this sure is eye-opening afterall. You are really loud on the globe's airwaves. But does it count any more? Ha, ha! same footin.

Posted by: Ear to the ground | March 30, 2008 4:03 AM | Report abuse

Obama's new ad for Indiana says he will not take $$$ from Lobbyists...REALLY??


JUDAS IS ALIVE, WELL, IN THE U.S. SENATE


WHAT HAPPENED? READ ON:
________________________________
Nuclear Leaks and Response Tested Obama in Senate

By MIKE McINTIRE
Published: February 3, 2008 Read complete story at NY Times

When residents in Illinois voiced outrage two years ago upon learning that the Exelon Corporation had not disclosed radioactive leaks at one of its nuclear plants, the state's freshman senator, Barack Obama, took up their cause.

Mr. Obama scolded Exelon and federal regulators for inaction and introduced a bill to require all plant owners to notify state and local authorities immediately of even small leaks. He has boasted of it on the campaign trail, telling a crowd in Iowa in December that it was "the only nuclear legislation that I've passed."

"I just did that last year," he said, to murmurs of approval.

A close look at the path his legislation took tells a very different story.

While he initially fought to advance his bill, even holding up a presidential nomination to try to force a hearing on it, Mr. Obama eventually rewrote it to reflect changes sought by Senate Republicans, Exelon and nuclear regulators. The new bill removed language mandating prompt reporting and simply offered guidance to regulators, whom it charged with addressing the issue of unreported leaks.

Those revisions propelled the bill through a crucial committee. But, contrary to Mr. Obama's comments in Iowa, it ultimately died amid parliamentary wrangling in the full Senate.

Posted by: Rob | March 30, 2008 7:26 AM | Report abuse

Wright continues his Obama supported attacks on non-blacks now slurring Italians in issue of Trumpet Newsmag. Wright states, Jesus enemies had their opinion, Italians looked down their garlic noses at the Galileans, and Jesus death on a cross was a public lynching Italian style! This government runs everything from the White House to the schoolhouse, from the Capitol to the KKKlan of white supremacy who is clearly in charge. Every issue published Wright's rant against white people in which he covers a world that is controlled by white supremacy, a country that's on its way to hell in a hand basket because of lying politicians, in a culture that still thinks 'white is right!
President Bush's former chief strategist, who left the White House in 2007, pegged Obama as a do-nothing senator who talked big and achieved little. "What bills has he sponsored?" Rove asked. Easy to see the Republican attack ads against Obama, especially since he continues defending Wrights hateful Racism and attacks on white America Will open with videos of racist wife, Michelle, saying she was proud of America "for the first time" because of her husband's presidential run, next Obama explaining he doesn't wear an American flag lapel pin or hold his hands to his heart during the Pledge of Allegiance because it is a substitute for patriotism, next clip Obama explaining that his Caucasian grandmother was a "typical white person, because she was afraid of black people. Finally, the coup de grace, video & pictures of Obama's angry, arm-waving preacher blaming the United States for 9/11 and shouting "God Damn America" to the rafters of TCC and preaching the U.S. government formulated the HIV AIDS virus to commit genocide against blacks. Obama continues to publically support Wright's shocking verbal assaults against the U.S and White Americans and financially supports Wright. All this and Obama was the first to publically demand Imus ouster for saying Nappy Headed? A true example of Obamas poor judgement continues to support racism at the church for more than 20 years, as he and Michelle feels it's a good environment to expose their young daughters too is extremely sad. His opinions and issues change with the weather, he is UNSTABLE and proven he cannot make a decision or stay with one. As democrats WE WILL NEVER SUPPORT AN OBAMA NOMINATION! We agree with Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter who told ABC News, He Would Have Quit Church if His Pastor Made Such Remarks.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 30, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

to tim591
I have had it with the dems who say they will vote for McBush if their candidate doesn't get the nomination. WTF!!!....where have you been for the last 8 years. Thats total insanity and shows the level of your maturity and ideals. Not much better than the rethuglicans and your also playing to that drug addled moron r. limbaugh!...get a grip people...American will continue its spiral down the tubes and the "New World Order" will come to fruition if Bush3 gets elected and you help him out of spite. I dont like what Billarys doing because its so Rovian and shows how low she'll stoop to to get her way. I do not want a candidate who is that conniving. Its pathetic and whiney. American needs to have wholesale change and someone who has merit of character. So...I like Obama but will vote for Billary if she gets the nod cause any one with a "D" behind their name on the ballot is better that what we've gotten or will get with the old guy who is a bushevick shadow puppet.

Unproven rookie? Better untainted intelligent human with the capacity to motivate people. Something America hasnt had for decades...thats enuf for me...All the other rhetoric is political drivel from those in the pocket of the likes of R. Murderock and Mellon...get real..you vote for mccain you are a rethuglican pure and simple

Posted by: jimjoe | March 30, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

It's obvious that ALL cretins here can't
see the truth!!

Obama IS a Muslim, and he DID swear his oath on the KORAN!!

THIS IS A FACT!!!!!!!!!!!


Posted by: MANSMAN | March 30, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi's comments confuse me. As I understood it the whole purpose of having Superdelegates was for such persons to be completely indepentant and not bound to vote in any preconceived way. Thus they are free to act as tiebreakers or decisionmakers when the candidates cannot agree. Otherwise why have Superdelegates? Certainly Nancy Pelosi is not suggesting that she will supplant the decisions that rightly belong to the Superdelegates, is she?

Posted by: Chesterfield1 | March 30, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Its a known fact that Obama is a self serving opportunist.Racist isn't the least of it. He is raising 2 more racists that sit in Wrights church each week. Judgement? Not to mention Louis Farrakhan, Gadufy ties, William Ayers, Rashid Khalidi and Rezko..Where have you people been. Just because the cable media has it in for Hillary you put yourselves and country at risk?....If Obama gets the nomination I will vote McCain.( African American with
integrity). Hillary didnt sit in that church for 20 years. How can you blame her. I wont contribute to DCCC until this situation is handled democratically.

Posted by: nettie01@verizon.net | March 30, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

To mansman
FYI Obama was sworn in as an Illinois State Senator in Springfield, Il at the State House using Abraham Lincoln's Bible. He was sworn in as a US Senator at the Lincoln Memorial using his own Bible because the Lincoln Bible was being archived for the new Lincoln Library due to be openned in Spfld. The picture of him holding his with his family and Dick Cheney congratulating them immediately after the oath is widely available. Go to google and type Obama Cheney bible oath.
Now that you are a mansman, perhaps you can be honest, ie., if being a Christian is so important to you. Just a few questions!
1) Did you realize that a Muslim would be defiling his faith and Allah if he/she swore on a New Testament?
2) Did you realize a Muslim would be reviled if he/she had their own children christened? Isn't that common sense to you?
3) Do you think Jews use the New Testament when taking the oath of office?
4) Don't you think Mormons use the Book of Mormon when taking their oath?
5) What about Jehovah's witnesses?
6) Keith Ellison from Minnesota used Thomas Jefferson's Quran when he took the oath last year. Perhaps you are confusing the two. Incidently, Thomas Jefferson's personal Bible sits in the Gugenheim. It is widely viewed. Did you know that Jefferson blacked out every one of Christ's miracles and religious dogma? Jefferson felt that Christ's message of morality & kindness was the greatest of messages but he did not believe in religious dogma of any type. Hence, no religious test.
Tell me mansman, when was the last time you used the "N" word, or the "S" word when referring to Latinos, or the "K" term for Jews? Can you name 3 of the Beatitutudes? Here's a hint...they are perhaps Christ's greatest message to the world and Jefferson's favorite Bible read.
One other thing, Can you swear that you can ask God to condemn everyone in your family to lives of pain, sickness, misery and suffering if your allegations about others are not true? I'll bet not. My final bit of advice, if you do, don't ever, not ever, base your facts on the musings of Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, Savage and their ilk. They're showmen, not reporters of fact.

Posted by: ultralib | March 30, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

ultralib -

I don't think that I've ever seen so many outright lies in a document since I read the last Hillary speech.

It is well known fact, and fully documented in the Library of Congress, that Abraham Lincoln's bible was destroyed in 1887 in a fire in a warehouse in Baltimore that housed many of Lincoln's private papers.

Not to ramble on, let me just say that your reference to "showmen, not reporters of fact" applies more to Hussein Obama and Hillary Clinton than to any radio host I know of.

Liberals will keep removing the rights of the people until the Conservatives come out shooting.

Posted by: MANSMAN | March 30, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Contrary to what Obama's supporters are claiming, Hillary also has highly educated
and intelligent supporters.

If ordinary individuals could protest against Nancy Pelosi's idea of how superdelegates should vote, why can't those who have fed her campaigns and those of the Party she is a member of? Their letter or memo has not indicated which direction Nancy's wind should blow! The signatories just want Pelosi to correctly state what the superdelegates are intended for, the exact reason for their being and certainly, not according to Pelosi's selfish and hidden agenda, one might say...whatever those self-intersts she might have.

Now she claims trying to protect other democratic candidates, the reason for her untimely declarations and pronouncements. She can't hide her silent support for Obama, though. She might as well endorse him now! I guess she wants to be the first woman of everything...hence reinterpreting the role of superdelegates to derail Hillary.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 30, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

If Nancy Pelosi is so worried about the "will of the people" then why hasn't she initiated Impeachment proceedings against the Chimp and his handler? Why is the war still being funded 2 years after "the will of the people" put the Dems in charge?

Posted by: Lizard | March 30, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

If the 'Peter Principle' holds true then the possibility of Pelosi running as the VP with B. Hussein would be about par for the course. She is so utterly incompetent now that a promotion to VP would fit the Peter Principle mold to a T. Positively bone chilling. By electing a "hate the USA first" president and a do nothing VP we could marvel at how stylishly our new leaders would fail brilliantly in action. Hip hip, hooray.

Posted by: Littledoc | March 31, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

Pelosi suddenly remembered she is from California, Hillary country!! And she will get whipped if she sings the Barack Hussein tune. She knows even if Hillary does not win the nomination, her supporters will ensure a McCain win so Nancy will face a vengeful Hillary who will possibly head the Democrats in the Senate. Hence the fast retreat to safety!

Posted by: Espi | March 31, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

I am sure that Nancy is applying her "superdelegate rules" fairly to all correct? Like, she is holding Senators Kerry and Kennedy to following the votes of the will of the voters of Massachusetts and supporting Senator Clinton and the same with Governor Richardson and supporting Senator Clinton as a majority did in New Mexico?

Speaker Pelosi and Senator Obama have a great deal in common -- both of them like to play fast and loose with the facts that don't support an Obama victory.

The voters in November will punish the Democratic party. They will not forget that two states have been disenfranchised by the party that says it believes in the value of the vote. They will not forget that the more viable of the two candidates presented for competition against a tough, experienced and well regarded senior senator has been hastled and hustled off the stage for a one term, no experienced, fact dissembling and deceitful Chicago style politician.

Posted by: beebop | March 31, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Nanci

...first you received a mandate to impeach bush and cheney and his neo con crowd but failed miserably to do so...

now you wish to take democracy and make it your own corporate wish list...

whom do you love baby?

...come to ohio and see the 84 out of 88 counties that voted for Hillary and then ask do you really want the super delegates to vote the will of the people nanci?

because....if so..richardson would have to change his vote to reflect his latino voters

and those two from MASS would have to do the same as well as rockafeller who seems to have all fallen very silent for their "man" from Hawaii...since OHIO

BLEW HIM AWAY ...

Posted by: appalachian blue | March 31, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

hey nancy, what's the matter with a good old american convention fight if necessary to get the best of what we need to in policy known by all of the party to defeat the bush policies. i think even republicans have watched in horror as the economy, foreign policy, the military, and lots more has been turned to rubble.speeches to supporters are easy,lets see what kind of metal we get after the furnace.

Posted by: bredto | March 31, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

As the Democrats fight, McCain has risen from the grave and is beating them in the polls.

Is this a great country or what????!!!!!

Posted by: Mari | March 31, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Hillary needs to go through the whole primary before she announces her campaign for President as an Independent. If Joe Lieberman could do it, why not Hillary? I predict she would win with 38% of the vote, compared to Obama' 35%, and McCain's 27%. WHY NOT?

Posted by: peter | March 31, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

the true demographics that the NATIONA MEDIA SEEM TO WANT TO CONFUSE AND HIDE FROM THE GENERAL AND REMAINING VOTERS

is this...

in OHIO HILLARY WON AMONG EVERY MAJOR DEMOGRPAHPHIC GROUPING HANDS DOWN>>>

AND IN EVERY REGION

i.e the "BIG CROSS OVER TIDE TURNING PHENONEMA"...ended or was ..in a word

terminated...

as if a light switch was turned off

this is what "TED I USED TO DRINK BEFORE I ENDORSED KENNEDY" and

JOHN>>I THOUGHT I LOST OHIO TOO KERRY

realized AFTER THAT MARCH 4 DRUBBING OF OMABA

NO ONE BUT THE URBAN VOTERS OF THREE CITIES AND SOME SEAGULLS VOTED FOR OBAMA IN OHIo

SHE WON IN DIVERSE PLACES LIKE TOLEDO AND SOUTHERN OHIO

SHE WON HANDILY AMONG THE AFFLUENT SUBURBS OF AKRON AND CLEVELAND AND CINCINNATI

AS WELL AS AMONG THE APPALACHIAN POOR

AND SHE WON STEUBENVILLE AND YOUNGSTOWN AND DAYTON RUST BELT CITIES>>>

she simply walked in campaigned her little pretty ass off and

SHUT DOWN THE OBAMA "white voter cross over"

it failed and it failed despite being outspent 3 to 1 here in ohio

and you cannot say everyone in akron's suburbs and in columbus's outter rings

are uneducated hill billys

but the hill billy vote of ohio ...i.e. the working poor...and the true backbone of this state

simply turned the cnn "big screen" light blue

"i dont see any blue states, or any red stsates...

after ohio he said...

I see only BOO STATES

Posted by: appalachain Blue | March 31, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Peter here is absolutely right..and it would be something that i think the nation would welcome

and many...including peter and so many like him...

are ready for a true bull moose party

...bill at its helm with hilllary leading the big states light blue and the women and working class voters to a true

national liberation party

now that's talkn peter and that's exactly what this nation needs to truly rid it of any big party corrupt influence

and nanci could kiss bills big white
...

butt

Posted by: inner vision | March 31, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Aghhh.... I'm a middle-aged, white female. I would love to vote for any woman who tries to become president. Just not for Hillary!!. She reminds me too much of LIVIA, emperor Claudius mother. Mean and destructive. Just wanting the power for the power's sake itself. People... bah... just some zombies, that you eat for lunch.

Posted by: Ceferin | March 31, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone inquired if Hillary is good to animals? I personally doubt it. Don't trust any person able to harm animals. By the way, what happened to "Socks"??

Posted by: Bee-ohhh | March 31, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I recommend for all Americans, a good read-up of Obama's "The Audacity of Hope." When you have read this book, any doubt about Obama's readiness and ability to take America out of the BUSHY MESS that its in will be erased. Barack Obama is a gift to America directly from God. The days of the BUSH-CLINTON dynasty in the land of Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King are OVER. The more mud hillary throws, the more she will smell in the minds of the American people.

Posted by: Donna | March 31, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Speaker Pelosi is correct to not be bullied by Clinton money backers. Our nation has a policy of not giving into terrorist demands for a reason, it empowers them. Clinton money backers are using scare tactics right out of Karl Rove's dirty politics book, and George Bush's fear tactics. I believe its the end of another era of the Clinton's lowering the morals and character of our national government. So, thank gosh Speaker Pelosi has our nation's best interest in mind, rather than Clinton's personal agenda.

Posted by: Don | March 31, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

dear middle age white female


are you drinking oprah juice again?

...do you realize what kind of real person hillary really is...or do you just shop at the local wal mart for a living and take in what others have told you about her

power for power sakes?

when in the name of God, has a woman even become this close to the true nation's presidency in the past 50 years and had this much support from the general public?

..if you are a republican i would u nderstand your handicap

but if you are a real woman...please
go read a book or two about who helped create the national children's defense fund and who led the nation's legal aid society at 28 years of age

and tell me...hillary is simply in it for the power

she has the inner strength and intelligence to do what over 200 men have tried to do before her...

and ...guess what..i'm a middle aged white male from Ohio from a rust belt town...

who...along w/ every one rust belt blue collar city and town in ohio

voted for THE ONE QUALIFIED CANDIDATE AMONG ALL THREE UP ON THE NATIONAL STAGE RIGHT NOW


so go figure...as Ohio goes...so goes the nation...

its a fact...and get used to it

Hillary and Bill WILL BE LIVING LARGE SOON AGAIN AT 1600 pa ave

and even you if you are middle aged..will be benefitting your stable white middle class lifestyle from the more of the same good economic times like we ALL did in the 90's...

when the african americans truly grew their national middle class income for the first time since the great industrialization movement of the 40's...

...so yes..hillary likes power...
do you like to be on top?

i think most women do

Posted by: apalachian blue | March 31, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

It'd be foolish for anyone to think that members of the Democratic Party don't have to answer to special interest (a.k.a. big donors). And Mrs. Clinton is certainly one of those. After years of preparation and millions in bribes, I mean donations; it must be disconcerting, demoralizing, scary and impossible to comprehend, to see her campaign coming to an end. How would she explain it to her financial supporters? How would she convince her ego, that her second White House stay was never meant to be? How this? How that? In a way it's sad but I truly hope she'd be able to see beyond it, and step aside while she can in a dignify way. Mrs. Clinton, listen to your very intelligent mind and not your ego or your heart. Please!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 31, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

donna

great comments on the book of obama's...

one problem...

did he or rev wright author the silly idea that because he won Illinois he is the embodiement of Abe and Martin?

or is this just self serving ...discourse on "i think i am the great black messiah" of america's new generation...


i don't think so...donna and you seem very sincere and are probably...

its not personal but becareful..

the BHO cult club is asking for your name...and social security number

and the next book will be entitled

"how i duped american into thinking i was some great african american leader of the next step in human evolution..."

without ever leading one civil rights movement to a jail cell like martin luther king

or giving a speech in front of 25,000 dead bodies on a battlefield...

that did NOT MENTION ABE's "typical white grandmother..."

...this is not greatness...
is is

NIXONIAN...checkers speech redux

Posted by: appalachia blue | March 31, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

on "hilary's mean and spirited big money backers"

oooo...

like no one else in this race has such backers?

give me a break...

who is the ONE candidate who is actually appealing in a big way to the

under 50,000 a year income working class voter crowd...

hint...[its not john "i got a great second wifee' billionaress" mcbush

and its not "i make millions from my wifes position at the east chicago hospital "ONLY" wink wink wink candidate

so..go figure

do you think the arms dealer extraordinare

rockefeller is playing tiddly winks here lady?

ESPECIALLY WHEN ROCKEFELLER ENDORSES A CANDIDATE THAT HIS STATE IS NOT SUPPORTING 3 to 1?????

why do you think this billinare is supporting obama?

for "the good of america's sake"

give me a break...

and i applaud Hillary's big money backers

telling nanci where to pack it in...

after all...did NOT nanci rise to the
current high position

on the backs..of such money men?

or no?

[ok...maybe it wasn't on their backs...but hers...i'm sorry but it was the money men "in da house" right?]

Posted by: inner vision | March 31, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Boy, all these threats from powerful people and an attack on a decent man like Bill Richardson for being a "Judas," simply for changing his mind based on current information, including the increasingly slimy and negative tone of the Clinton campaign, is starting to feel reminiscient of....the Bush Administration. Nice.

Posted by: bethechange1 | March 31, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Pelosi needs to step aside and allow the process to happen, as it was intended - that's democracy. She has no business making public statements about something that does not involve her.

Posted by: Eva | March 31, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

My fear is that the Republicans are currently getting their machine in place and the Dems are still in-fighting. The botom line...I'm not sure either one can degeat McCain. If we get another Republican, God save the United States. Obama and Hillary need to come together somehow. If super delegates elect Hillary over the popular choice of Obama, we lose the black vote. If the SDs elect Obama, we lose the women's vote. It looks like the only way have the best chance at the White House is for to have an Obama/Clinton ticket. But it is a sorry state of affairs. And the country can't take another eight years of Republicans.

Posted by: Jim | March 31, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

on bill richardson

"boy a guy changes his minds based on the most current info..."

...well first...this guy is a judas...

...if anyone can not understand where and how he became even a name we know or are somewhat aware of...


and if anyone had done the kinds of things to promote his life and career and reputation that the clintons have done

and to have him...at a critical juncture to come out and do to bill his friend what he did

what would you and your supporters say about such a guy...that is "only using his discernment"

as shakespeare wrote over 500 years ago

beware the ides of march...


and "brutus, it is you?"

so too...bill who gave this man his MAJOR CABINENT LEVEL APPOINTMENTS

and ENDORSED HIM AND CAMPAIGNED FOR HIM FOR GOV in new mexico

...i then would say....what then is the defeinition of betrayal...

something OTHER than richardson's recent acts and statements against the clintons


...i.e. i get my life and my professional background handed to me on literally a silver platter by one of the most open minded democratic presidents in 50 years...

and i stab his wife in the back??


great guy...would love to him on my team

too,,,if i were satan that is!

Posted by: appalachian blue | March 31, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

This is still the USA and although, Obama and his camp have managed to block a revote in FL and MI
and has disenfranchised those two states; what is he trying for an even dozen? There are still 10 states to vote in their Primaries. I've read were the OBAMA camp had volunteers voting at the Texas caucuses and their is a video, this was on a blog. I hope the Clinton camp has it investigated.

When Hillary brought up her Bosnia trip, the media went on about how she deliberately lied,TV, newspapers, talk radio. But, Obama gets another free ride. Yesterday, in the Washington Post, Obama mistated when he said the Kennedys gave his father a ticket to the US to go to school, and he mistated when he said his parents met at Selma. How can he manage to slip by?

Then he doesn't accept money from oil and gas companies or lobbyists, what's this?

." From the Center for Responsive Politics he accepted $160,000.00 from major oil companies, Exxon, Shell, Chevron, BP and others.
Two of his top bundlers George Kaiser and Robert Cavnar are CEO's for major oil companies. Last month, Obama accepted another $8400.00 from ExxonMobile, $12,370.00 from Chevron and $6500.00 from British Petroleum..
These are the funds and contributors for 2008 Finance/Insurance $15,087,469.00,Communications $7,035,249 Securities $6,715,680.00 Education $5,069,186.00 Misc. Business$10,261,541.00 there is a little more than $8,000,000.00 undisclosed.
This from our candidate for change, of honesty and integrity; the one that will always be truthful. Right!!!

Posted by: Jackie | March 31, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

The slogan for the Democrats should be "It's the Supreme Court, stupid!" I support Obama and dislike Clinton (to put it mildly), but the prospect, not only of Bush-Warmed-Over-McCain in terms of policies, but of his appointing yet another Right-wing justice curdles my blood, and it should be giving all the in-fighting Democrats pause. This nonsense about voting for him if the Democrat of choice is not nominated is sheer idiocy and a narrow-minded concept of the country's welfare. And as to the comment that Democrats appeal to the uneducated, let me assure its author that this Democrat holds three post-graduate degrees. Try some other way to abase your nemesis, sir or madam.

Posted by: Trixie | March 31, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Hillary lost my vote when she promised not to campaign in Florida or Michigan (damn those republican state congress people who set this up to intentionally make the democrats look like the bad guys by moving up the primary) and indeed she did just that and has claimed victory in Florida (even though she had promised to have her name removed when she signed the pledge that Obama and all other democratic candidates for president signed)Then she said the delegates shouldnt be seated but now that she MUST have those votes she has flip flopped on the issue and is now stating that those delegates MUST be seated. Bet she wouldnt feel that way if she had the lead Obama has on her.... So sad to see the Clintons destroying thier legacy this way!

Posted by: Paul | March 31, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi was wrong in giving this opinion.. if the super delegates are supposed to vote as the pledged delegates then why are they needed at all?? This is not their purpose..In a close race-which this is-they are to vote & pick the democratic party candidate that is most likely to beat the republican party nominee in November...I think she needed to be reminded of this and have no problem with the letter she received..Senator Clinton should not be forced out of the race when we have all these states yet to vote.

Posted by: democraticvoter | March 31, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

regarding the comment by paul@12:15pm: No democrats campaigned in Florida..and..Clinton,Obama & Edwards were all on the ballot there..I don't know where you live but hardly think you would want your vote not to count in such an important election...The party was wrong when it made this decision and it needs to be corrected.

Posted by: democraticvoter | March 31, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Let Clinton and Obama fight it out. Serves them right. IT is the only way we are getting any information out of them. When are they going to start talking about ec onomy. What will they do? Neither have shown they are "for the people".

Pelosi, you need to move to Austrailia. We are sick of you.

Posted by: Ro from CT | March 31, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

I don't like the mud slinging, stick to constructive solutions; as I think it does nothing to further resolve the issues facing the country since Dubya and his minions screwed so many things up so completely. But I also don't think Sen Clinton should back down until it's impossible to win, as I believe she will do right for America w/ Bubba's help. Then if she is out voted, backing Barrack is where her energy must be directed.

Posted by: Paul | March 31, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

By Any Means Necessary ? Wasn't that Malcom X ?

Posted by: Skip | March 31, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

There is no reason for Clinton to step down.

Posted by: dkings123 | March 31, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

This election is the dems to lose and the way they are going about it - looks like they just might. When Hillary cried in New Hampshire and said its personal she meant it !!! those were genuine tears of anger and frustration. "Who is this guy who came in out of nowhere and thinks he can take away what is MINE !! I withstood the whole Lewinsky, white water , travel gate, vince foster etc etc etc just for this."
I don't think so !! she is not going to give up easily even if the Math is against her. She is quite capable of the kneecapping story going around. That's why the story has legs. If it were anyone else people might have been able to dismiss it. A lot of people felt that is what she did to Kerry in 2004 just so that she would be able to run in 2008.
But I still say Hillary try your best. If you still don't make it Then no one can say it was snatched away from you. You will have only yourself and your arrogance, your husband and group of advisors to blame.

Posted by: aaa | March 31, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

This response message is especially for Consider Change or for those among you that want to constantly stick the statements of the Reverend to Barack Obama because you don't want him to win because he is an African American, that he won't tow the line that the good old boys would want, that you feel that this is Senator Clinton's time as a woman, or whatever it may be, remember this Senator Obama has raised money unprecedented in this country by both the republicans and democrats, his internet fundraising no one has done, he has brought more youth to this campaign than anyone and now of course Senator Clinton is duplicating what he has done and trying to do the same on all three.

And since you wanted to bring up the Reverend Wright's statement let's go there, answer these questions for me were you also shocked and up in arms when the Catholic Church had to pay out over 600 million dollars for priest that are pedophiles raping and molesting young girls and boys and their only punishment with the Catholic Diocese is to get transferred from church to church letting children on top of children constantly get molested and raped?

Were you outraged when the late Reverend Falwell and Pat Robertson made their shocking statements about 9/11 and Katrina among other statements? Were you shocked and up in arms when you found out that the President of the United States had SEX with an intern, a young woman in her 20's and that his wife stayed with him, behind him 100% as Senator Obama is still going to TRINITY CHURCH?

Are you outraged when Senator Clinton preaches transparency but state's week after week that you will see her taxes soon when they are from 2000 to 2006, what is she hiding? Are you equally outraged when you see that FOXNEWS is biased against not only Barak Obama, but also blacks in general, but not surprisingly because it is tabloid news, but is the regular media merging with tabloid sensationalism for ratings? Were you outraged when Senator Clinton has pointed out so many times, that we cannot change our relatives, but we can change pastors?

My comment on that issue is that we can't change relatives, but we can change husbands by divorcing, but that was not an option, because there was always the plan to run again, so people out there those are some of my questions, could it be that some of what was said by Reverend Wright was true, just viewing the questions that I have asked proves so, this country is based on such a double standard, are some of you so afraid of the truth, can you answer that for me?.

Also, Senator Obama's recollections of the time with his father being helped by the were off and they conceded that, but to compare the two incidents to get points for Senator Clinton is as crazy as her stating that her recollections of the Bosnia event three times. He made a statement on Resko, but has anyone questioned where Senator Clinton's gave her contributions made by Resko to her campaign?

What she stated three separate times was not a misstatement but a lie, those words have two different definitions, this is not the first time that she has told a lie, but the first time that the press has called her on it, only because there is footage to actually show the truth, how do you think the Bosnian's feel about her account?

Senator Clinton's main problem has always been is that she cannot say "I MADE A MISTAKE" when she is caught in a lie; we already have a so called perfect president now that cannot state the same, as with the war that so many of our young are dying in. And if you are interested in the truth about the statements by the Reverend and Fox news go to FOXATTACKS.COM

Posted by: Beverly Sims | March 31, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Unless Pelosi is wanting to destroy the Democrat Party, she needs to either keep quiet or step down as leader.

Posted by: melvin kistner | March 31, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Hey! Why don't all of us do it Hillary's way and throw the election to McCain? Her attempt and that of the Pelosi-bashers to undermine the party is unbelievable! Senator Clinton apparently would rather see McCain in the White House than to lend her support to a man who is headed to the nomination she thinks she is entitled to.

Posted by: Disgusted | March 31, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Has anybody noticed that the one of the two candidates that is nasty, bitter and distructive to the party and politics are the Clintons? The start all the negative campaigns and make nasty statements, then they turn around and try to pin it on someone else, the NEVER admits EVER doing anything wrong, lie blatantly, and will really destroy anyone to get in office. She really things that the presidency of the United States is her BIRTH RIGHT! If votes and the WILL of the People are overturned and given to her, I will start a serious blog to campaign for all Obama's supporters to vote for McCain

Posted by: Skorpio | March 31, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

GOD HAS SENT US A WONDER IN THE FORM OF BARACK OBAMA.

BE GRATEFUL!!

Posted by: democraticvoter | March 31, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

It is amazing how loud some of the buzz is for Sen. Hillary Clinton to "do what's best for the party" and get out.

More than any other week, this one seemed to have the most actual calls for a Clinton withdrawal.It started last Friday with Bill Richardson.

It has continued throughout the past seven days with calls from both Sen. Barack Obama supporters (Chris Dodd and Pat Leahy) to supposed uncommitted Dem bigwigs (Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi).

Should Sen. Clinton drop out?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1996

.

Posted by: Jeff | March 31, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

ONE MORE TIME,GENIUSES :


Health care for ALL!!!

Marvelous!!!!!

Uhh - How do we pay for it?

Posted by: oldphilosopher | March 31, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

This is especially for "MANSMUN"!

Seriously. I am really getting tired of this dirty politics. Why is it that I live in a Democratic area of Northern California?

As a young woman I got o lot of respect for Nancy Pelosi. She stand on her own feet to get where she is today, not like Hillary Clinton (sorry but married to the president and lying about sniper fire doesnt copunt as experiance). She is the daughter of a mayor of Baltimore and she's knows how to act, she is a better state's woman.

Obama has no experiance, but he have the greatest opportunity to correct those mistake's that was made in the pass, like for swearing at the Koran.

The botom line...I'm not sure either one can degeat McCain.

Yes, we all witness it because by there words we shall know them.

Posted by: democraticvoter | March 31, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

No cares what Nancy Pelosi has to say. There is nothing going on between her two ears. She will be the reason why Democrates lose seats.

Posted by: Rodney Taylor | March 31, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

AT LAST THE TRUTH!!!!!!

YouTube has just posted the ACTUAL footage of Hillary Clinton ducking sniper fire on the runway.
You can CLEARLY see her drop down and duck!!

Why has ABC not run this??????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdrvcLyB6-I&feature=related

Posted by: democrat | March 31, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing going on between the two ears of ANY Democrat.

Posted by: fred | March 31, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's latest statement:

"And when they tell you that you can't send a woman to the White House, you just tell them
"YES WE CAN!!!!".
And when they tell you that you can't have universal health care, you just tell them
"YES WE CAN!!!!".
And when they tell you that you can't have sex in the Oval Office, you just tell them
"YES WE CAN!!!!".
"AND WE CAN PROVE IT!!!"

Posted by: democrat | March 31, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

brigittepj, I agree with you. Barack is too far to the left to win a general election. We need someone that governs from the center.

Hillary 2008!

Posted by: butterfly2 | March 31, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Both Hill and Bill are pathological liars. Whatever enhances their political position is what comes out of their mouths. Can you imagine Hillary having to explain to the American people some potential crisis that conflicts with her version of events? Her husband disgraced the Oval Office by his unbridled lechery and then lied about it. She has the potential to disgrace the Oval Office by her overweening political ambition and be perfectly willing to lie about it.

Posted by: Hungerford Newby | March 31, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

For those that believe that Barack will take the White House in November, they need to pay closer attention to what is really happening. John McCain has already started his campaign against Barack with his speech in Mississippi.

"I have been an imperfect servant of my country for many years, but I am their son, and they showed me how to love my country," said McCain.

The words "love my country" is just the start of the barage of anti-patriotic slams against the Obama ticket.

And for the record, Obama's "unite the country" platform is not working -- after 20 years as a democrat I am now registered Independent. I can not belong to a party who supports someone who is not patriotic and embraces a hate monger like Wright. And as a Clinton supporter, I vote for her. If she is not on the ticket I vote for McCain.


Posted by: IamNick | March 31, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Ditto nettie01@verizon.net , I agree with you and I too is an African American w/integrity. Obama has lots of baggage. My mom always said, show me your friends and I will show you your future. Barack has terrorist as friends. I need to learn more about this fellow before he earns my vote. Hillary may not be an angel, but I have not heard of any of her friends blowing up buidings....scary.

Hillary 2008!

Posted by: butterfly2 | March 31, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

To "Pelosi Supporter":

I'm not making any judgements on your sentiments, but you really ought to take a remedial English grammer course.

Posted by: Rex Roberts | March 31, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

To Rex Roberts: Be careful about criticizing other people's grammar, because someone else can come back and criticize your spelling.

Posted by: atheistcable | March 31, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Dear Rex Roberts:
Perhaps Pelosi Supporter could take a "grammer" course at the local High Skool

Posted by: Hungerford Newby | March 31, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Hillary===solve the health care crisis on your campaign staff. Pay their health care premiums for the last two months.

Posted by: majorteddy | March 31, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

That little girl that met Hillary at the tarmac in Bosnia has grown up now. She's 20 years old. She said she did not know why Mrs. Clinton gave that account of the occasion.

Posted by: majorteddy | March 31, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Kudos for "a skeptic" and others on this thread who want to see the process play itself out and are truly interested in learning about the candidates and their positions!

Why not let the contests go to the convention?

It seems worth considering the following . . . .

1. Pelosi should be neutral, given her position as Speaker of the House. But her comment was patently partisan, favoring Obama, and it violated the party's rules, which those who support Obama tend to cite.

2. About 400,000 of Obama's 700,000-vote 'lead' in 'popular' votes come from caucus states. But caucuses are not 'democratic' because instead of making it possible for all eligible voters to cast a secret ballot, they favor those who can attend and are comfortable spending two to three hours stating their preferences in public and debating those who do not agree with them. That means many in Clinton's base -- the 'traditional' Democratic base of working folk, poor folk, the elderly, the infirm, the less than articulate -- simply cannot attend. If you want to see how that works, check the results for the Texas primary (Clinton victory, with about 3.4 million votes cast) and caucus (Obama victory with some 100,000 votes cast). Clinton won the popular vote, but Obama will come away with more delegates. So now, it seems, the Obama camp is all about delegates (and the popular vote in states where they actually won it).

3. Obama's camp has no problem attracting super delegates from states Clinton won (Richardson, Kennedy, Kerry. . . .), but is shocked, shocked that the Clintons would suggest that delegates not reflect the popular vote in their states. Actually, that might benefit Clinton, since she has won most of the big states, which tend to have more super delegates than the small ones, in which Obama has done particularly well.

4. Clinton's base (women, working people, middle-aged and elderly people, and whites) is larger than Obama's base (men, professionals, young people, and blacks). So it is likely she would be the more viable candidate against McCain. This is not clear from the current nomination process, which is a mess, nor from the media, whose reporting leaves much to be desired.

5. The Obama camp blocked new elections in Michigan and Florida, where the DNC, apparently in a fit, disallowed the delegates. Clinton won both states handily and would almost close the gap in the 'popular' vote and delegate count if they were counted. The question is not if they will be, but how they will be -- the alternative is for the DNC to placate Obama's followers, not seat the Michigan and Florida delegates, and alienate 10 percent of their own base, not a prudent strategy, although it is one that will guarantee Obama the nomination.

From the posts on this thread and other blogs, it is clear that the supporters of Clinton and Obama are increasingly polarized, and that may not bode well for the party. Alas, it is too late in the process to worry about that - among other things, ridiculing Obama's supporters as deluded cultists, being less than honest about trips abroad, comparing Bill Clinton to "Joe McCarthy," and suggesting that white women fear black men and think in racial stereotypes has already divided Obama and Clinton supporters. Even so, a lively, open convention during which delegates debated policy and elected a candidate (since neither Clinton nor Obama will have enough 'pledged' delegates to win on the first ballot) might actually be good for the party. It would be nice to see a real convention for a change, not a coronation.

Posted by: Jim | March 31, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

The utter futility of Bill and Hillary trying by any means whatsoever to stop Barack, will only result in their being pilloried from the party crawling away broke, persona non grata, and without a role in the affairs of this nation. They deserve their ignominous end, for it was they in their roles in the DLC that created the ultimate centrist, Barack Obama.

Ma and Pa Clinton, congratulations! Discard your pitchforks and get out of the way! He's your baby and the DLC had better crow about their achievement by making his way easy! Your pitchfork presence is no longer needed. You've chiseled all you can from the party! Now get you into hell and the presence of your angels Limbaugh, McCain, Cheney, and Bush.

Posted by: c.e.bowman | March 31, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Hillary may have left that church but she wouldn't leave that philandering husband of hers. If you see or hear immoral or disgusting behavior and you ignore it or stick beside the perpetrator it doesn't make any difference if its a raving preacher or a gutter dwelling president. HIllary can get down off her high horse and see that she is no better than Obama in seeing the light and acting appropriately.

Posted by: Dale Netherton | March 31, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Primaries Math favors neither Obama nor Clinton. But, all voices from all states, if possible, must be heard.This democratic race is historical and let us see who wins fairly.
At the microlevel, one can sense some negativity, but at the macro level it is a poltical primary to remember for years to come. Democratic party will come out stronger with the process played with patience. What a country!Proud and thrilled to witness the democracy in action.

Posted by: Demraj | April 1, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

I was once very fond of Hillary; however, my feelings have changed dramatically over the past few months. I am appalled that we all, including the media, accept the fact that she "misspoke" several times in great detail about her trip to Bosnia. How could anyone not remember such a trip? How is it that she simply "misspoke" when anyone else would have been an outright liar? She didn't misspeak, she KNOWINGLY lied. How can she speak of moral choices when she chose NOT to divorce Bill after he brought shame to his family and country? Spouses divorce for far less. I doubt if Obama would have stayed with Michelle under the same circumstances and I'm sure that he, unlike Hillary, would choose not to comment if asked this hypothetical question. Though I strongly oppose the war, I'm afraid I would have to vote for Senator McCain if Senator Clinton manages to find a way to circumvent the rules and wangle her way into being the democratic nominee. At least McCain doesn't make up fairy tales as dramatic as dodging flying bullets nor practice situational morals. I feel that Obama has the ability to relate to anyone. He has given us a dream and there are no successes without a dream. My fondness for Hillary and the Clintons has died.

Posted by: jimm | April 1, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

So lots of people don't agree with their parents, that's why we have generational differences. To claim that younger voters are betraying the democratic alliance by having their own view and vote (legally sanctioned over the age of 18) is to deny them adulthood and disenfranchize them from the process when they are older and still sour about the way they were handled.

Bush may have smashed up the two party system beyond recognition, just as he has forced the republican party to modernize, and tick off many of their loyal fanatic base, the democratic party might need to modernize too if they wish to be competitive. A big story is that many of the republicans are bailing and becoming lobbyists. Many democrats who aren't serious about democracy might end up doing this as well. Honestly, many people in congress need to be fired, its just a pity that we haven't found a good way to keep them out of the soft money scene.

This in no way applies to all elected congressmen or senators, I think there are many corrupt officials but that there are idealists and pragmatists who get elected to high office as well. It's a spectrum.

Posted by: Elizabeth | April 1, 2008 2:39 AM | Report abuse

So lots of people don't agree with their parents, that's why we have generational differences. To claim that younger voters are betraying the democratic alliance by having their own view and vote (legally sanctioned over the age of 18) is to deny them adulthood and disenfranchize them from the process when they are older and still sour about the way they were handled.

Bush may have smashed up the two party system beyond recognition, just as he has forced the republican party to modernize, and tick off many of their loyal fanatic base, the democratic party might need to modernize too if they wish to be competitive. A big story is that many of the republicans are bailing and becoming lobbyists. Many democrats who aren't serious about democracy might end up doing this as well. Honestly, many people in congress need to be fired, its just a pity that we haven't found a good way to keep them out of the soft money scene.

This in no way applies to all elected congressmen or senators, I think there are many corrupt officials but that there are idealists and pragmatists who get elected to high office as well. It's a spectrum.

All women do not vote with their vaginas and it is mysogynist to say it. Black voters don't all vote on race (but they are certainly sensitized more to slights). People in different statistical categories buck their trends sometimes, to assume that strategists can slice up people into categories is undemocratic and insulting.

Posted by: Elizabeth | April 1, 2008 2:43 AM | Report abuse

So lots of people don't agree with their parents, that's why we have generational differences. To claim that younger voters are betraying the democratic alliance by having their own view and vote (legally sanctioned over the age of 18) is to deny them adulthood and disenfranchize them from the process when they are older and still sour about the way they were handled.

Bush may have smashed up the two party system beyond recognition, just as he has forced the republican party to modernize, and tick off many of their loyal fanatic base, the democratic party might need to modernize too if they wish to be competitive. A big story is that many of the republicans are bailing and becoming lobbyists. Many democrats who aren't serious about democracy might end up doing this as well. Honestly, many people in congress need to be fired, its just a pity that we haven't found a good way to keep them out of the soft money scene.

This in no way applies to all elected congressmen or senators, I think there are many corrupt officials but that there are idealists and pragmatists who get elected to high office as well. It's a spectrum.

All women do not vote with their vaginas and it is mysogynist to say it. Black voters don't all vote on race (but they are certainly sensitized more to slights). People in different statistical categories buck their trends sometimes, to assume that strategists can slice up people into categories is undemocratic and insulting.

Posted by: Elizabeth | April 1, 2008 2:47 AM | Report abuse

So lots of people don't agree with their parents, that's why we have generational differences. To claim that younger voters are betraying the democratic alliance by having their own view and vote (legally sanctioned over the age of 18) is to deny them adulthood and disenfranchize them from the process when they are older and still sour about the way they were handled.

Bush may have smashed up the two party system beyond recognition, just as he has forced the republican party to modernize, and tick off many of their loyal fanatic base, the democratic party might need to modernize too if they wish to be competitive. A big story is that many of the republicans are bailing and becoming lobbyists. Many democrats who aren't serious about democracy might end up doing this as well. Honestly, many people in congress need to be fired, its just a pity that we haven't found a good way to keep them out of the soft money scene.

This in no way applies to all elected congressmen or senators, I think there are many corrupt officials but that there are idealists and pragmatists who get elected to high office as well. It's a spectrum.

All women do not vote with their vaginas and it is mysogynist to say it. Black voters don't all vote on race (but they are certainly sensitized more to slights). People in different statistical categories buck their trends sometimes, to assume that strategists can slice up people into categories is undemocratic and insulting.

Posted by: Elizabeth | April 1, 2008 2:51 AM | Report abuse

Its sickening the way all of the posted emails devolve from one common sewer.

That being... whats in it for me.

What you all have LONG SINCE lost sight of is that your much cherished "democratic" party has become nothing more than a RAG-TAG collection of sundry special interest groups.
The democratic party HACKS are good at nothing except finding new and NOVEL ways to lose elections....NOT WIN THEM!
Like Reagan said " The democratic party left me....I didn't leave it.
Whats left are feminists, blacks and God Damned America Liberals!
...And "America for all its faults B.Hussein Obama".

Posted by: Dem for McCain | April 1, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Its sickening the way all of the posted emails devolve from one common sewer.

That being... whats in it for me.

What you all have LONG SINCE lost sight of is that your much cherished "democratic" party has become nothing more than a RAG-TAG collection of sundry special interest groups.
The democratic party HACKS are good at nothing except finding new and NOVEL ways to lose elections....NOT WIN THEM!
Like Reagan said " The democratic party left me....I didn't leave it.
Whats left are feminists, blacks and God Damned America Liberals!
...And "America for all its faults B.Hussein Obama".

Posted by: Dem for McCain | April 1, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

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