3 - 0
Argentina

3-2 USA. Johnson with 2 goals, Olsen with a penalty kick goal. Mesi runs wild but doesn't score.

3-2 USA. Johnson with 2 goals, Olsen with a penalty kick goal. Mesi runs wild but doesn't score.

After the Mexico - Brazil result yesterday, who really knows? However, comparing rosters, the reasonable choice has to be 3-1 Argentina.

I'm going with 3-0 Argentina win too.

The Argentine's will control much of the game, and dispite their lead they will get frustrated by Kasey Keller & Co. in front of the net.

While the US may start out with a strategy to attack in order to keep Argentina honest, they'll change their tactics midway through the first half with the intent to take the Argentine off their game. This strategy will work, but also produce an ugly game marked by lots of rough fouls, particularly by the Americans.

Look for several cards from both sides and shameless tackless by our midfielders who will be completely upstaged by Riquelme.

Dispite the loss and failure to maintain a strong attack. Look for Conrad to have a good game and an on-again-off-again Justin Mapp to frustrate the Argentine defenders.

And no I think I've wasted a little bit of my life playing out a game in my head that will be completely different in real life.

ESPN Soccernet has the starting defense for the US as Drew Moor, Danny Califf, Jimmy Conrad and Marvel Wynne. The US is done if that is correct.

I predict 4-0 to Argentina. Messi runs wild against the bunch of nobodies in US defense.

Will Univision stream this match even though it's on Telefutura?

2-1 Argentina. Twellman gets his first meaningful goal - in the run of play, no less. Argentina wins on a free kick in the 73rd minute.

2-1 Argentina. Twellman gets his first meaningful international goal - in the run of play, no less. Argentina wins on a free kick in the 73rd minute.

Nil-nil draw, the most boring game of the tournament. U.S. bunkers, hoping for the counterattack.

1-0 Argentina, Keller plays like a man possessed (the "give me a f@#&ing contract" match), USA threatens, looks like it's gonna hang in for the draw, Argentina scores in the 80th minute when we stop thinking for a moment.

3-0 Argentina

who the heck is Drew Moor?

If that defense is true, what is it going to take to get Jay DeMerit out there? Might want to throw someone out there who's marked Drogba and Rooney to go against Messi, Crespo, etc.

Not that he's shut them down, but experience should help...

Here's a link to Argentine newspaper LA NACION's blog on Copa America (in Spanish, obviously):

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/weblogs/copaamerica2007/

Scroll down and you'll see a Bradley quote where he says he doesn't plan on assigning one single player to mark Riquelme.

6-0 Argies (I'm only sort of kidding)

Love Feilhaber, but I don't see him winning the battle against Riquelme.

1-1 tie and mental victory for the young Americans.

I gotta believe the boys can score against Argentina. My prediction is 3-1 Argentina. I want to think DeMerit will kick in for defense, but there is just too much attacking talent on the Argentine side. I predict two goals for Messi, one for Riquelme, and one for Twellman, who finally finishes an important goal in international play. I predict the U.S. to be in it for 60 minutes, either tied or down one, until the Argentia just puts it away with back to back goals in the 75th and 80th minutes.

4-0, Argentina.

The US gets embarrassed playing a tough opponent on foreign soil.

any feel about the line-up Steve?

That's probably a good thing--since anyone in their midfield can burn us even if we shut down Riquelme.

That's probably a good thing--since anyone in their midfield can burn us even if we shut down Riquelme.

why would twellman score in 'important play' when he shanks easy opportunities in not-quite-so-important play?

I've had it with that midget getting called up, f'real. Let him choke for the revs, not for the US.

There's no way this game is close.

All you ever wanted to know about Drew Moor
http://fc.dallas.mlsnet.com/players/bio.jsp?team=t104&player=moor_d&playerId=moo550110&statType=current

Moor's having a solid year for FC Dallas. He's a good passer and a smart player.

"Will Univision stream this match even though it's on Telefutura?"

Yes (http://www.univision.com/contentroot/uol/30deportes/content/jhtml/copa_america/NOMETA_partidosEnVivo.jhtml). Telefutura is to Univision as ESPN2 is to ESPN, roughly speaking. In fact, I have Colombia-Paraguay on my 'puter right now.

But I have a question of my own: is there a volume control on the Univision window? I don't see one. I could use the master volume control for my 'puter, but I want to listen to something else while watching the video feed (I don't understand Spanish).

If Keller can play like a man possessed (that Mex goalie was just a man on fire) maybe...just maybe. Riquelme doesnt worry me so much...a great passer, good on a dead ball...but its the Messi and Javier Solana (sp) guys who can dribble through the center of the defense with pace that can destroy this team.

I'll try a 2-2 tie. Man, is the quality of play high in the Copa. Just astounding.

Univision claims to have all the games streaming. Are any games on Univision proper? I didnt know Telefutura had any games...thought they were all on GolTV.

Paraguay just stopped a Colombia PK (the awarding whereof was a borderline call in the first place) and then scored to go up 1-0 in the space of a coupla minutes.

"Are any games on Univision proper? I didnt know Telefutura had any games...thought they were all on GolTV."

It's pretty much Telefutura (Spanish) and GolTV (English): http://www.soccertv.com/amer.cfm.

here is the link for video standing and such

http://www.copaamerica.com/default.asp?pag=home

Thanks again to the guy who linked to univision...sure wish we had Telefutura or GolTV here in the hinterland. Looked at the lineup for ARG, Zanetti, Ayala, Henize, Messi Crespo, Riquelme....its the real deal ARG team. We'll need a strong tailwind!

Paraguay just went up 2-nil at the start of the second half.

wow, so Paraguay looks for real (didn't see the Azteca game) this could be the Group of Death!

You guys have no faith in your team no matter how bad it looks you should always have faith that you will win.

3-0 USA!!!!!!!

Go USA!!!! GO USA!!!! Go USA!!!! GO USA!!!! Go USA!!!! GO USA!!!! Go USA!!!! GO USA!!!!! Go USA!!!!! GO USA!!!!! Go USA!!!!! GO USA!!!!!
Si Se Puede !!!!!!!!!

"here is the link for video standing and such

http://www.copaamerica.com/default.asp?pag=home"

Thanks for the link. If you go a bit deeper into this site (http://www.copaamerica.com/default.asp?pag=grupos), you will see that the final matches within each of the groups will be played consecutively rather than concurrently. That may be easier logistically (a doubleheader at a single venue), but it runs the risk of a reprise of the infamous 1982 Austria-Germany match (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_FIFA_World_Cup).

ok, wow. so it looks real good for Argentina and Paraguay to go through right now, huh? and is it just me, or has there been a lot of scoring in this Copa?

GPS:

you are actually less likely to have the whole Germany/Austria problem with a regional tournament, since that was two European countries conspiring to keep an African out, the germans and Austrians knew they wouldn't see Algeria for a long time, the Copa teams do this every two years, and still have WC qualifying, that is a lot of chances for revenge.

GOAL Paraguay! is Colombia really this bad? or is Paraguay really this good? based on this goal pace, we might see a 6-5 game at some point! oh, and goal differential is going to be tough to over come!

Paraguay just scored three times in quick succession to go up 5-nil. Any thoughts on the implications for the USA-Paraguay match on Monday? (Argentina must also be thinking about what they have to do, in case the standings in the group come down to goal differential.)

After watching that game, I don't think that I'm going to feel so bad if the U.S. loses 3-0.

PENAL...PENAL...PENAL...PENALTY!!!!!

oh crap, it's EJ.

GOAL GOAL GOAL GOAL GOAL GOAL GOOOOOOAAAAALLLLLL!!!!

and a few sphincters in BA just got tighter (hey, it will be harder to be in last place after that!)

or not, never mind :)

Are there any problems with the link? I can't seem to get the univison stream working?

Can someone hook me up with a working link?

Kasey Keller is a liability. He should have cleared that goal. He also can't distribute to save his life. Could he launch any more straight to the other goal? *frustrated*

I didn't see the first goal - but that was a pretty nice save that Keller just had.

if you're in the DC area, telefutura is channel 47, comes in pretty well on my set. so glad not to have cable today!

OH MY!! Cane someone shut Ray up - AAAHHHH
I cannot believe he coached DCU - What dingagling would hire that??!!??
YIKES

ok, who had 1-1 at the half? anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

and nice to see Benny F take a crack at it near the end there, keep the argies honest.

Is it just me, or does Eddie look scared every time he gets the ball out front? He refuses to forge ahead.

"you are actually less likely to have the whole Germany/Austria problem with a regional tournament, since that was two European countries conspiring to keep an African out, the germans and Austrians knew they wouldn't see Algeria for a long time, the Copa teams do this every two years, and still have WC qualifying, that is a lot of chances for revenge."

Can you see a scenario in which Argentina and Paraguay conspire to keep the USA out?

Wow. Quite a first-half performance. I hope our boys can keep it up!

1-1 not bad. So much possession by ARG.

Nice to see the forwards putting forth a good effort...getting into the game...

Los Estados Unidos is sorely lacking someone who can strike a free kick. This is the second quality opportunity wasted because of that.

Since it will be tough to score one in the run of play, this is even worse ...

GPS:

not really. first off, both those teams are here to win, not simply place or show, and the group winner gets the A2, while the second place team gets B1, much less pleasant. neither team would want to give the other the advantage, if it was that close.

second off, the shame in having to throw a game to keep the US out of your regional tournament quarters would not go over well in countries that take pride in their Futball.

now sure, if the US needed a 6-0 victory or something, then maybe they'd put on the brakes, but I don't think Argentina and Paraguay care enough about each other to want both to go through.

What great service and an awesome goal. Pobre Estados Unidos. And now comes Tevez. Buena Suerte Tio Sam.

That was a beautiful build-up to the Aimar header, but you can't let a guy who is all of 5'6'' score headers on you.

The difference in quality between these two sides was well illustrated moments ago during the substitution. Argentina brought on Tevez. USA brought on Kyle Beckerman. No contest.

really, someone? a little defense? please?

I hope Eddie Johnson saw that, so he knows what to do next time.

this is starting to get ugly . . . and to think the US did have the lead at one point

Keller is having an aweful match. I hope Guzan starts next. Based on his last 2 starts I would say there are a few better keepers in MLS. Reis comes to mind as well.

Aimar's goal...golazo? Not remotely.

Guzan just had 4 goals scored on him. You can't blame these on Keller; maybe one.

Keller should start slapping any saves he accidentally records back into the net, just for consistency's sake.

Can he officially not be in goal for the USMNT anymore after leaving such a large stain in his depends for this one?

[bitter]

Proud performance that unraveled a little bit late. Lots of promising individual performances, and if we could hit a fk that game would have really gotten good.

4-1... sigh... Well, it's not 5-nil. And the wheels came off when Olsen left the match. I'm going to pretend the two facts somehow are linked. It'll make it feel better.

Very good effort for the first half, but I still think the Tevez goal and the second goal could have been saved. Maybe I'm going out on a limb, but I think Guzan, Reis, Howard, and maybe even Perkins, would have had a better showing and a better chance of making those saves. Just a good showing from Keller. Defense was pretty good until the last quarter, but this is Argentina we were facing. What a great team.

Mapp was a liability and everyone else was too tired early in the second half. We were always lacking that little bit of quality. The subs did nothing. A lot of mental lapses.

All in all, though, hopefully something the kids learn from.

If I were there I would walk away with my head hung high. They palyed very well during the first half against arguably the best futbol team in the world. Players like Mapp, Feilhaber, Bornstein, Johnson showed a lot of pride and makes us look forward to WC qualifying. As long as we continue to play without fear, the US can advance in the Copa America.

Suprisingly good showing by Bornstein. I thought he did well in the first half, often against Messi. Looked like they moved Messi in the second half and it made a difference.

US cannot cross the ball.

If nothing else this tournament might improve the quality in the MLS. Lots of MLS talent getting some free soccer lessons from Argentina's finest. They also get two more clincs by the good people of Columbia and Paraguay.

Well this US team can not play 90 minutes of world level futbal. The three substitutes had NO IMPACT WHATSOEVER and the others were dragging in the last 20 minutes and praying for a quick end to the game.

This is why you have to laugh (or hide your face in shame) when Alexi Lalas compares MLS equal to the EPL. The level of play and speed is 2x to 3x higher for EPL players than what the MLS guys are used to. How many times did Eddie Gaven get stripped of the ball? Useless substitution and Bradley should be embarrassed with some of the players he capped for the CA.

This reminded me of the Pumas game for United in 2005, we just were worn out at the end.

Olsen really held us together in the midfield, without him we started to fall apart. Not a coincidence.

Twellman should sit the rest of the time, he's just plain useless.

Mapp needs to learn a new move.

Bornstein, Conrad, DeMerit and Wynn all played well (too bad the scoreline doesn't reflect it though)

Keller gave up two that Freidel would have saved. (sorry but its true)

Gaven and Gomez didn't bring any energy off the bench. Gaven was a wasted sub.

Maybe Keller should reconsider some of those 80k MLS offers.

I think Keller was slow off his line on the first goal, but couldn't do much about the others. That said, you might as well throw Guzan into the fire at this point, imo.

""That said, you might as well throw Guzan into the fire at this point, imo.""

Posted by: 5280

Whatever, Paraguay and Colombia don't stand a a chance against us. Relax. Just relax.

why did heath pearce come if he isn't going to play?

i tuned in at 1-1 in the 2nd half, but thought that Keller should have saved goal #2 (it went right under him - he kept sliding left when he could have stopped and the ball would have hit him) and possibly Tevez's goal. the 3rd was not his fault, but was a great pass/terrible marking from the defense.

the 2nd and 3rd goals showed what a superior team Argentina had: they both came from very short build-ups that made the US look overmatched. they were also just so much calmer and crisper with the ball and could work in less space. plus even when they had a giveaway, it seemed like another player had already anticipated and was on whichever US player had the ball in an instant. they also seemed to block a lot of potential crosses and long-range shots. we need more creative play(ers) in order to create some decent chances.

that said, this was obviously not our best team by any stretch, and they played to a tie for an hour which is a good sign. and it looks like Paraguay decimated Colombia 5-0, so that makes this loss look a bit better.

and hey, everyone thought we'd be in last place tonight, but we're only second to last! I am looking forward to Paraguay though (I don't think a tie will help us, we need to win the next two to go through) so let's buckle down and see what happens.

Just look at it this way. Our B/C squad hung with Argentina's first-choice starting 11 for 60 minutes. The wheels came off when the substitions started, but as someone commented earlier, when they're bringing in Tevez and Aimar and we're bringing in Gaven and Beckerman, there's no mystery why the game was over for the US at that point. Sure, it hurts tonight, but in the long run, not a bad showing for the youngsters.

"Very good effort for the first half, but I still think the Tevez goal and the second goal could have been saved."

Is it more Keller's fault, or just the US back line who I get the feeling were simply starting to get worn down? They shut Argentina down so much during the first half, could it have been that they just didn't have the legs once Tevez's fresh legs came on? As a soccer newbie, I really don't know the answer to this.

And another thing: Where can I get info on all the goals scored by the USMNT against non-CONCACAF teams that WERE NOT penalty kicks?

Can someone please explain y eddie gaven is even on the roster? He was awful. If it's olsen and not gaqven, he takes out messi when he starts his run that ended in Crespo's 2nd goal. He beat Gaven and Gaven just let him go. Chop him down. You can't let Messi build up steam. Nothing good will come of it. Gaven was useless. Twellman wasn't much better and beckerman looked terrified. I will say though that Feilhaber is a star in the making. Bornstein was solid as well. I will give the team crexdit though, they started much better than our full team did against the Czech republic.

Gaven was awful and was the reason the 2nd goal was scored. That goal broke our spirit because I think the whole team knew there was no way we were going to score from the run of play tonight. I think Bornstein had his best game ever for the Nats. He didnt just contain Messi but repeatedly took the ball from him. In order to get Messi in the game they had to move to the left away from Bornstein. Olsen and Wynne were able to contain Messi on that side but sadly Gaven had to come in and ruin it all. Overall our defense and central midfield looked good. Olsen is fine on the right if we're playing def but not if we want to attack. Mapp and the forwards were pretty useless. 4 points from the next two games and we make it through as a third place team. So at least a tie against Paraguay is a must.

Solid 1st half performance by the US, but they were overrun in the 2nd half. This is why the US needed to take thier best squad to this tournament.

First game outside the US for Bradley = first loss. Coincidence?

1. The last 3 weeks may result in Howard being #1 GK in the future. Keller looked as shaky as I've seen him.

2. If you're going to have the GK kick the ball downfield 75% of the time, you better have someone in front who can win balls in the air.

3. The subs didn't look like they were ready for prime time. Assuming that the point of playing in the tournament is to audition new players, it served its purpose (even to make negative inferences).

I echo many thoughts outlined here. Huge dropoff with Olson coming off and Gaven coming on...Gaven looks like a couch potato and also plays like one. He put in a terrible effort that I've come to expect from him in MLS, let alone for the USMNT. I disagree with any praise for Wynne. If you watch the replays of the first three goals, he was always nearby "watching" as the goalscorer/assist-man he was marking screamed past him. Put in Simek, Spector, and possibly even Hejduk in there and we don't get beat on those goals. No praise for Twellman or Clark's starting performance, as well as the Beckerman and H. Gomez substitutions. Keller should've saved one of the 4 goals (w/ the exception of the 3rd).

So what went well last night? I thought EJ played above expectations, as did Bornstein. Feilhaber and DeMeritt continued to show their quality. Benny O. and Conrad were very steady as expected...although I thought some of JC's passing out of the back was a bit suspect.

But Lord, can we please work on crossing the ball!!!! Too many lost opportunities to switch field. The crowd at Summers was screaming for that all night.

I hate writing this. But it is plainly and painfully obvious, Kasey Keller is not the Kasey Keller of old. Now he's just old. Still very good, but no longer great.
It has always been that US goalies always managed to keep their teams in the game with unbridled flashes of brilliance (See Tim Howard's one handed stab of Bofo Bautista's shot in the last five minutes of the Gold Cup).
Keller now is lacking in that department. He's become mortal. It was obvious in the World Cup, and nothing has changed since. I don't fault him for any of the goals (although I thought he did come out a little late on the first one). But the Keller of old would have found a way to make the impossible, possible. Now, those type of saves are fewer and far between.
The US played sort of the same game that they played vs. Brazil in the late 90's in the Gold Cup. Keller was the main reason the US won (Preki's goal would have been akin to EJ's last night) and I remember Romario saying it was the single greatest goaltending exhibition he ever saw.
Keller no longer does that. And I doubt he will ever do it more than every-so-often, if that. It's time to move forward. But not before saying thanks.

OL-SEN, OL-SEN, OL-SEN . . . I take back the complaints I made about him waving his arms and yelling too much.

EJ impressed me as well, given my low expectations -- consistently creating room for himself, whereas Twellman and Mapp got stuffed. Too bad he couldn't score in the run of play, but he often didn't have much support up there.

Subs were worthless.

I agree, nothing to hang our heads about. It's Argentina, and they brought some fire in their bellies (unlike Brazil against Mex the night before).

fcmuenchweiler, I don't think anybody is saying Wynne played great just better than we expected(the benefit of low expectations) since he is not even a top defender in MLS. He had some good spots in the first 60 min when he was getting cover from Olsen. Once Gaven came in Wynne was on an island because of Gaven's lack of effort and as a result when someone would start to get around him there was no one to turn the player back and goals ensued. At first glance this would appear to be Wynne's fault but it actually falls much more on Gaven because no defender can contain Arg's talent without the help of teammates.

I give up. Taylor Twellman is more or less useless in international football. Bob Bradley, please stop calling him up so that he can keep scoring goals in MLS, where the level of intensity is only slightly higher than the NBA. (And I like MLS, a lot of times the pace and intensity are just plain lacking.)

After the second goal, my son and I both said to each other at the same time, "Olsen doesn't let Messi get that deep." Amazing how smart Olsen can be, particularly in comparison to someone like Gaven.

US just did not have the quality to play that kind of tactical game for 90 minutes against this Argentinian team. Although, I still think Keller should have come out sooner and stopped goal #1 (on the Riquelme service). Who knows what would have happened.

Bornstein really impressed, I know the tough early D was a team effort but he hung stride for stride w/ Messi.

Agree E.J. played above expectations, but it just underscores the woeful U.S. attack--he is celebrated for simply looking like he was more aggressive than usual. And he got no forward support whatsoever.

All in all, makes outlook of getting results vs. Paraguay and Columbia much more optimistic!

I hope never to see Eddie Gaven in a USA jersey again. He's a sub on a terrible team. He looked bored/confused/lost last night. Can we go back to the concept of "caps" as "rewards?"

His pathetic display reminded me of his completely underwhelming performance at the U-20 World Cup 2 years ago.

Players who impressed (which does not mean that they were perfect):
Johnson, Conrad, DeMerit, Bornstein, and anyone named Benny

And I agree with a previous poster: Justin Mapp needs a new move.

That first Argentina goal was the deal breaker. If Keller had held onto it like he should have, we may have seen a different game; perhaps frustruating Argentina and opening up the counter-attack. Instead they rode the mo' until Benny got pulled and then unleashed on us. This is one of the weakest squads we have ever played; no landon, no demarcus, no howard and no gooch. I still think we have a shot at advancing, but this was one hell of a wake up call. Let Olsen play as long as he can and let twellman and johnson play side-by-side instead of this roving striker formation where all ej can do is go down in the box.

dwbpnm,

I definitely can agree with Gaven literally opening the floodgates on Wynne...and so my assessment might be a bit harsh on him for that fact. I think you and I still agree Gaven is a couch potato...

Sad to see potential unrealized, but have to agree Gaven does not deserve the call-up. He could take a lesson from Olson on attitude. A good lesson for Mapp. He got schooled a time or two but hopefully he learned something. EJ does not have the "mental chops" to be a "great" forward. Twellman tries like hell but is short on the technical skills. All the midfielders showed well and the backline shows lots of promise, including Wynn. Plenty of reasons to be hopefull for the WC.
Hope Bradley tests some of the other guys as well.

I just can't read thru all the comments to see if anyone else saw things my way.

So here is my rant:

US did very well UNTIL Bradley's bonehead sub of Olsen for Gaven!!! WTF!!! Ben was amazing and definitely gave the right fullback (Wynne?) a lot of help. The Albicelestes opened up that can of whoopass right after Benny was subbed. Gaven was worthless and gave no help going forward, marking, nor covering Wynne's overexposed ass! Was Olsen gassed or hurt? Because he looked fine to me.

Apologies it this has been covered already.

I hope to watch the game again soon when I'm not so juiced--maybe a cooler head will let me see the game better.

I meant to say:

I hope to watch the game again soon when I'm not so juiced--maybe a cooler head will let me see the game differently.

Gaven should only wear orange because he is a total cone!

Agree with all of you on Olsen. He was the glue that held the game close, and it was no coincidence that the floodgates opened after he came out.

The other reason they trounced us was fitness/workrate. They had 3 men around the ball everywhere on the field and were using smart possession and team defense. We were ball watching with one man chasing the ball the whole second half. They'd switch the field and would still have 3 men surrounding the ball, while we would be slow to transition. When we'd get the ball, the first defender would frustrate our guy (because he had no smart help) and the second would win the ball and make penetrating passes that split us wide open. At the end it could have been much uglier than it already was.

One more thing. You don't have to worry about collusion between the Paraguayans and Argentinians, because they hate each other almost as much as the Argentinians and Chileans do. Basically everybody hates Argentina in South America.

Was anyone else surprised that the act of bringing down EJ from behind in the box resulted in a PK, but apparently not a card of any description (yellow or red)?

I watched the game in Buenos Aires and the TV commentators here were positively apoplectic in the first half (much ay-ay-aying)about the inability to get through US defenses. They breathed big sighs of relief when Messi repeatedly broke free in the 2nd half, without Olsen and Borstein on his tail. Two lessons to conclude: 1) We can hold our own against arguably one of the best sides in the world; 2) the subs used in this game can't.

But more importantly, Bradley showed both those things to the players, without sacrificing the possibility of advancing (with 2 wins against Paraguay and Colombia, or possibly a win and a draw). I say it's smart coaching. Clearly, Bradley played a short-run game in going for the Gold Cup and is playing a long-run game (ie, World Cup view) in bringing this team to Copa America.

The real question is whether we can score any goals in the run of play against a team of Argentina's caliber...that very much remains to be seen.

Dear Mr. Keller,
Thank you so much for your service to our country. 101 caps is really an amazing feat. You're the most capped goaltender in US history, and you deserve it! But now we kindly ask that you follow your compatriots Mr. Reyna and Mr. McBride and retire.

Thank you.

The most important thing that happened in this game is that two of our top young players in Bornstein and Feilhaber got to play against the best in the world, and were able to prove to themselves that they can compete with the best in the world. That is a victory in itself. Now let's go win some matches so we get to play Brazil too!