There is a nagging question that I have had ever since the Michigan and Florida delegations were ruled illegal because of their violation of Democratic party rules:

I believe that the US Constitu-tion and/or one or two of its Amendments consider disenfran-
isement of a citizen's voting rights to be illegal.

If that is true, I wonder why
this point has not been brought up by any of our Congressmen and, consequently, ruled illegal.

If I am correct, I believe that the entire election process thus far would also be ruled illegal, and the states of Michigan and Florida would be permitted to hold another set of primaries.

Does anyone out there remember "taxation without
representation?"

Can a knowledgable person out there comment on this point?

Just like Hillary is a woman and an ex first lady Obama is a black man and white guilt has put him where he is now. Biden and other senators were tossed aside and Obama was the drama that kept the press busy and increased its viewership. The sexism and anti Hillary bias of the reporters is obvious. In addition, both Hillary and Obama are presenting enough drama to keep the bored electorate busy which keeps itself amused with some vitroilic comments on blogs and copes with its frustrations. Obama will fail in all his promises. The world is no longer subject to what America wants. China and Saudi Arabia will own more of America. Obama will be a failed president, if he ever gets there, because the US is probably not as effective in the world as it once was. Just look at Great Britain?

Obama is no leader. A leader would insist that all the votes in this race count. Instead, because it would not benefit him, he is opposed. If he were to agree, he probably would have had more support. He's a flip-flop man. Whatever works for him. Wright -yes, woops, Wright no. Not a regular politician, woops, votes counting would hurt me -- just a minute - flip -flop. Now he's got Axelrod whining about Rush Limbaugh. Geesh! I just can't take a whimp in the presidency--whine , whine. At least Hillary has a backbone and can make decisions. I also get a kick out of all the rationalizations you weak men make for not believing in Hillary or supporting her or for approving of those who were disloyal. You guys have no idea what loyalty is about. And yes, Bill Richardson, I would expect that you would support Hillary. Sorry. They picked the wrong guy when they hired you. As far as Hillary getting a chance because of who she is married to--that's pretty much the only way women get a chance, even the qualified ones--check out other world leaders who are women. Margaret Thatcher is about the only one who did it solo. That's because you men are such sexist and misogynist and block women from running or getting qualified to run. Well, Hillary's here and she's qualified and she will see this through to the end--and we women will be supporting her. Rep. women too.

Obama is no leader. A leader would insist that all the votes in this race count. Instead, because it would not benefit him, he is opposed. If he were to agree, he probably would have had more support. He's a flip-flop man. Whatever works for him. Wright -yes, woops, Wright no. Not a regular politician, woops, votes counting would hurt me -- just a minute - flip -flop. Now he's got Axelrod whining about Rush Limbaugh. Geesh! I just can't take a whimp in the presidency--whine , whine. At least Hillary has a backbone and can make decisions. I also get a kick out of all the rationalizations you weak men make for not believing in Hillary or supporting her or for approving of those who were disloyal. You guys have no idea what loyalty is about. And yes, Bill Richardson, I would expect that you would support Hillary. Sorry. They picked the wrong guy when they hired you. As far as Hillary getting a chance because of who she is married to--that's pretty much the only way women get a chance, even the qualified ones--check out other world leaders who are women. Margaret Thatcher is about the only one who did it solo. That's because you men are such sexist and misogynist and block women from running or getting qualified to run. Well, Hillary's here and she's qualified and she will see this through to the end--and we women will be supporting her. Rep. women too.

I supported Obama before he dumped his Pastor and best friend but after dumping his best friend of 20 years Rev Jeremiah Wright, I can no longer support a fickle President. We alresdy have one of those.

First he gives Rev Wright 20,000 dollars and then he dumps him ??

He will dump his voters's first chance he gets. I don't trust him !

Hilary will make a great President.

Senator Hillary Clinton DOES NOT NEED ANYONE including her husband to help her do ANYTHING!!!!!! She is more intelligent than ANY male counterpart in Washington DC....so get off her case that she is only where she is today because of her husband! BALONEY......

"It's about the numbers, and the numbers are the numbers," said Chris Redfern, the chairman of the Ohio Democratic Party and an uncommitted superdelegate. "It's not about hand-wringing. And Senator Obama has the lead."

Most of Hillarys supporters are white well to do racist, angry women

Hillary is experience and mature! She is an experience leader and demonstrates all the qualities that America requires of a Commander-In-Chief.

Mr. Andrew's switch from Clinton to Obama and other super delegates' selection of Obama is only an indication that they do not have the party's interest at heart. With all the recent events and the fact that Obama is inexperience, they are fully aware that Obama is unelectable. Their endorsement of Obama demonstrates their unwillingness to have a strong woman as Commander-In-Chief; and their preference to have a Republican male in the White House.

I am certain that Blacks will vote for Hillary if she is the nominee. This is because they will realize that at this junction in America's history, experience matters more than race. I am also concern that if Obama is the nominee, Hispanics will not vote for him. So, I can not understand why people are only concentrating on the Black votes - Hispanics votes are very important also.

I think that the democrats in general have destroyed their hopes of winning the presidency due to some "noble" attempt at trying something new. While I do agree women and minorities deserve a shot at the White House (being a minority and a woman) I also think this is not the time to try this. Our great nation has sunk too low during the Bush administration and we need someone that can unite the country... not create more drama. The two candidates may have not intended for all this but it has torn the democratic party in two and as a loyal democrat is saddens me. I don't care about race or gender, all I care about is a president that can heal this country. I think it is the duty of the people to chose whoever does deserve the presidency from his/her records and belief. All the candidates are attacking each other for the seat so all sides will throw ugly words at one another but it all comes down to what is special about them, not bad about the other.

Hillary is Huckabee:

she is praying for a miracle that will give her hope to be VP.

Not gonna happen, according to Nancy Pelosi. Now there's a woman Democrat who should run for President someday. She's got my respect as long as she doesn't choose inept loyalists to run her campaign like Hillary did.

Obama now just has to put up with Hillary's stubbornness so he can focu on wiping the floor with the party in power next. And unlike Hillary Clinton, he better positions against McCain in popularity and money.

Also, party in power faces a bad economy, an unpopular war, and Bush.

Obama 08

"IT IS WINNING STUPID on a contested race like this."

It's the delegates stupid! Take a math course because you like Hillary don't know how to add. It's over in two weeks regardless how long she tries to drag this out.

I was offended by the "judas" attacks against the Hispanic governor of New Mexico. You are not forced to believe in family dynasties just because Bill Clinton was an ambitious wife. There are plenty of women out there who earn their political positions without sleeping with a President. Bill Richardson helped Clinton deal with the Monica Lewinsky problem, but he does not have to support Hillary after running against her.

The point for the end of the campaign is that Hillary must earn her respect back from the Democratic Party rather than continue to cling to her fantasy, or as Bill Clinton would put it, her "fairytale" of becoming Queen... er, I mean President after her husband. Much better that the Democrats choose a newly elected Democratic nominee in a competitive election and then close ranks around him like the Republicans have been wise enough to do.
Hillary is Huckabee.

"She can't win, plain and simple"

That is what she has been doing... winning(four out of last five). Everytime she wins, the far left screams at her to get out of the race exploding their hatred towards their own fellow democrat. By the way, I just finished reading a recent Newsweek(a huge supporter of Obama) article that indicates not so good news about his campaign momentum. It appears that his campaign slogan is changing from "yes we can and hope" to "Can we win the contest" during the recent days. It is over for Obama as Clinton will continue to win rest of the contests except NC. IT IS WINNING STUPID on a contested race like this. Keep your delusional dream alive though...as miracle may happens.

Why does Hillary want to be our Commander and Chief? Why cant she stay home and watch and play with Bill and make cookies like everbody else

"At the end, Obama may even able to win the general election, but him and the far left has irreparably divided the democrats which they may pay a price down the road."

It's the delegates stupid! She's lost. Obama has nothing to gain by going negative. Where have you been? The New York Times chided her campaign for going negative first since she's needs to in order to put a big question mark on Obama. There' nothing to gain by going negative with her since the math will NEVER add up for her for victory. It's just a matter of time before Obama locks this up and the ONLY ONE dividing the party is Hillary. She can't win, plain and simple.

Everybody focuses on HRC and Obama. But it's really the people they represents that made them where they are. It sounds like their policies very similar on the surface. Then why some people hated HRC so much? Surprisingly this time they are not GOP but the far left, and they attacked HRC using tactics straight out of GOP's playbook and even bring out they sleeze such as Monica questions. They thought they could pander to just the young and black votes and take mainstream american for granted in the coming election.
Despite all the personal flaws HRC and Bill may have, they are great public servants. They always favor middle of the road politics that unite the country. The far left and the far right for these reasons hated them and jealous of their successes. They (including Obama who's most afraid of debating HRC) have nothing on them policy and issue wise so that have to resort to personal attacks on their personal traits. Anybody have sins, including Obama. The real agenda in attacking HRC is not just her, it's attack on her positions, the people she represents, and the people who supported her. It's an assault on the mainstream americans. Can't you tell the bitterness in Obama's tone when he complaints about the bitterness of small town america? At the end, Obama may even able to win the general election, but him and the far left has irreparably divided the democrats which they may pay a price down the road.

"Do you think Obama would be there as where he is now If news/medias were vetted him earlier about his close relationship with Wright?"

Keep dreaming. It's over. This is a non-issue in the long run. There are more important issues like the economy, the war, etc... You should be pointing your finger at McCain, than a member of your own family. This is why the Democrats may lose because of Hillary's Rethuglican tactics against her own party member, especially since she can't win the nomination anymore. IT'S THE DELEGATES, STUPID! This has been the problem of the last twenty years of administrations; they get side-tracked with ISSUES that DON'T affect the American people and are involved in their pettiness instead of doing the right thing for the country.

Herm,
You are absolutely right! It appeares that Obama is just uplifted so long by news/medias by constantly trashing Hillary days and nights.

It's over,
Do you think Obama would be there as where he is now If news/medias were vetted him earlier about his close relationship with Wright? News/medias spent all those time digging dirts on Hillary and she is still standing (and won four of the last five contests). I agree with Herm that it was great defeat for liberal news/medias that they have not been able to push through their God Obama and voters are reacting to their cynical manipulations. Even if he gets the nomination, he will not win the GE without Hillary's intense help and party leaders already knows that.

Andres-- Do you homework. What did Obama do to be Senator. Emil Jones said one day, "How wants to be a Senator, I'm going to make me a senator." Guess who said me? Then he armed his fledgling with completed bills, help disqualify all his 4 running mates and he ran uncontested. Then Emil said, gee Louis (Farrakhan), Bill (Ayers), Pastor (Wright), "Let's make us a president. And now you tell me Hillary Clinton isn't seasoned enough? Give me a break.

Herm,

"if Obama is so great as liberal news/medias portrays him to be then how comes he is not winning the big states like Pennsylvania despite spending three times more than her!"

The same thing could be said about Hillary and not being to close the deal by winning all the other states with all the advantages she had prior to start of contest (i.e., name recognition, money, status, the blessings of most democrats, etc...). Obama won't lose the large states, you're argument, which is Hillary's, is faulty and without any basis in a general election battle. These are the primaries and she's unable to beat a fellow democrat and WILL LOSE THE MATH. It's the delegates stupid! It's over and in two weeks when she loses in Indiana and North Carolina people close to her will let her know since she'll never quit because her ego will never allow her to count the inevitable math.

Obama supporters remind me of a very naive friend of mine that answers and sends money to Internet "con" people that promise great things if they just trust them and follow their instructions.

It is Over,
It may be over for you but it is not over until it is actually over by either one dropping out of race or one obtaining required number of deligates to be nominated. As of now, it appeares that neither one of them will have that number at the end of the last contest. In that case, super delegates will have to decide the nomination. Just like Hillary said, if Obama is so great as liberal news/medias portrays him to be then how comes he is not winning the big states like Pennsylvania despite spending three times more than her! It may be a joke for you but Obama did not appeared to be joking when he lost the last contest and it seems that he is not making any gain in Indiana either at this point of time.

"Clinton's big victory in Pennsylvania proved to be a devastating defeat for liberal news/medias"

What a joke! She had a twenty point lead and won by 9.2 percentage points, hardly a resounding victory; but enough to keep her going for a couple more weeks. It's over. Face it and accept the reality that awaits her. The supers will NEVER support her.

Clinton's big victory in Pennsylvania proved to be a devastating defeat for liberal news/medias. She depunditized the so called pundits and made them looked like a vindictive propagandists. People who voted for Clinton may possibly noted an injustice against her by news/medias and worthless party leaders since the beginning of this year. Commentary like this is an example of a defeated propaganda machine(like MSNBC) that is kicked down by voters who beginning to recognize Clinton more of a leader than a follower.

Ann,

"If you were a Senator from NYS, the epicenter of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, and you were told false information by the President that you, and many others in Congress believed in good faith (this was seven years ago, people didn't see GW as they do now), exactly how would you have voted?"

She should have read the report (i.e., the national intelligence estimate), which she admits to not doing.

"Hillary Clinton, is able to cross party lines to work with Republicans."

We know this. This is why she blindly endorsed Republican legislation that has wreaked havoc on the American people.

It's the delagates, stupid! It's over. Just let the next few weeks past, and we'll finally unite behind someone who knew how to run a campaign.

Quasit, what is your definition of bi-partition? What is your definition of a uniter? A person able to cross the political bridge in order to work with both houses of congress and both parties?

Hillary Clinton, is able to cross party lines to work with Republicans. Us against Them does not work.

Now, as far as her voting record, let me ask you - If you were a Senator from NYS, the epicenter of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, and you were told false information by the President that you, and many others in Congress believed in good faith (this was seven years ago, people didn't see GW as they do now), exactly how would you have voted?

If you say you would have voted differently all those years ago as a Senator from NYS, you are lying to yourself.

What is it you don't like about the Clinton years? Was it the peace or the prosperity?

One of the biggest chuckles I get is the Obama supporters whining that Obama wasn't even on the ballot in MI. So? If he was either to stupid or too politically naive to realize he should have kept his name on the ballot it is his own fault. Actually, most of Obama's miscues, mis-speaks, mistakes are his own fault. It just seems impossible for him or his supporters to admit that.

As far as the "response" to the original question.... once again a non-answer, more drivel from an Obama supporter, more deflection, more sexism. It is amazing Hillary is still in this with the weight of the msm so heavily against her.

Don't let the media tell you how to vote!

sigh...I'll try again:

The Iraq war authorization. The Patriot Act. The bankruptcy bill. The Iran "terrorist" bill.

All of them Republican bills. All of them supported by Hillary Clinton. So why should any real Democrat vote for her?

Come on, Hillary supporters - please stand up for your candidate! Tell is why such a brilliant, effective, supposedly Democratic leader would give George W. Bush and the Republicans so many votes, while simultaneously screwing the Democratic party and the American people?

Justify this!

For all you bashers,

IT'S THE DELEGATES, STUPID!

Clinton has nobody to blame. There's no woman bashing going on except for those who are offended at the numbers. Go take a math lesson and read up on the rules and maybe you'll understand the opinion piece.

Poor Martinez. He'd go to any length to support his idol, Richardson. Too bad the only reasons he has for kicking Hillary is that she made it on her husband's name-brand. What a sexist lazy reporter who can't take some time out to think clearly and give us more substance instead of this poor excuse for venting his hatred against women.

OBAMA'S A WANNABE RAPPER-Z. IN N.C. DAY AFTER HE LOST DEBATE, HE ANGRILY 'FINGERED SEN. HILLARY CLINTON, SHAKING MUD AND S*HIT OFF SHOULDERS AND SHOES, WHILE HIS FOLLOWERS APPLAUDED, IN ON THE OPEN JUVENILE SECRET. YES, YOUTUBE HAS IT!

OBAMA IS A DISGRACE WITH HIS IMMATURE MIME WHILE GIVING A SPEECH AND HE SHOULD DROP OUT OF THE RACE AND GO BACK TO GET HIS HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA. NOMINATING THIS JUVENILE AMATEUR WHO DISREPECTFULLY INSULTS HIS FELLOW SENATOR IS AKIN TO GIVING YOUR NEW CAR'S KEYS TO YOUR 14-YEAR-OLD SON OUT ON HIS FIRST DATE! NO WAY, ANDREZ~!

ANDRE MARTINEZ NEEDS EDUCATION ON WOMEN AND POLITICS, AND AMBITION NOT BEING A SIN EXCLUSIVE TO WOMEN POLITICIANS. YOU ARE A MORON, MARTINEZ AND YOUR WRITING SHOWS THAT CLEARLY. IS HILLARY-BASHING YOUR ONLY JOURNALIST'S WEAPON. YOU NEED EDUCATION. MAYBE YOU CAN GO BACK TO JUNIOR HIGH WITH OBAMA AND GRADUATE AT LAST!

Andres compares disenfranchisement of the Michigan and FLORIDA primaries to holding another one in CHINA? Does he think that it is not a serious matter for Democrats to discount the will of these two (obviously less worthy to Andres) states? Get a grip.

meme,

"IRRATIONAL SEXIST ARGUMENTS AGAINST A VIABLE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE"

Your comment is irrational and your claims of misogyny are NOT supported, "It's the delegates, stupid!" This is what counts and what's going to win it for Obama.

"If Andrez were to have made a remark that Obama's 'pimping his wife' or that the only reason he made it this far is because the media's afraid to touch Him 'cause he is black, he would be attacked--and deservedly so."

No comparison, meme. He didn't make this argument nor would anyone with a brain cell or two. Clinton BLEW IT! She was the presumptive nominee and forgot to run a candidacy that would make her competitive through a 50-state campaign. Quit blaming Clinton's lack of campaign planning on others. There's no excuse on behalf of Clinton, she had it and BLEW IT!

"However, Martinez is free to use his own latino-Macho bias against the gender responsible for hosting his own 9-month tripping to a blessedly uncritical life of (Mediocre) Media Mentor."

Showing your true immature colors. Who's being sexist?

"This is the extent of Martinez' critical political argumentation to support his weak-kneed RICHARDSON APOLOGIST thesis and, boy, does it give us insight into his plastic axe-to-grind SEXIST pseudo-reasoning process:

"HILLARY Clinton is not where she is IN HER OWN RIGHT. She is here because she is CASHING IN ON HER HUSBAND'S BRAND!"."

You're being completely naive if you don't recognize the obvious leverage she had for being Bill Clinton's wife. Hillary is a smart lady but SHE BLEW IT this time and her current predicament and eventual defeat IS HER OWN FAULT!!!!!

"Incredible that MARTINEZ GETS AWAY WITH THIS GARBAGE...straight off the murky shoulders and shoes of Obama's rapper-wannabe's post-Debate 'fingering of Hillary' in N.C. (see YouTube "Obama fingers Hillary"!) Wow!"

Not only is your claim silly; it's plain stupid. You can believe anything that upsets you especially when FOX NEWS has been the biggest supporter of this fallacious theory. Your intelligence is shining.

"Now we have MARTINEZ CASHING IN on the media's innate anti-Clinton sexism and getting away with it in his pseudo-analysis by subsituting personal bias for political reasoning skills!"

It's the delegates, stupid! How do you like them apples!

"No, Andres my boy, "blindly backing Hillary out of a sense of tribal politics" is a statement attributed to Obama's trip to Kenya in November to campaign with fello Hillary-hater Dick Morris on behalf of his cousin fellow-Luo tribal leader marxist-islamist ODINGA who burned 50 churches and raped hundreds of men and women in December when he lost the election to impose Sharia Law. Didn't see your boy shaking off his dainty shoulders and shoes the mud and dirt from that fiasco, did you? Keep on dreaming your sexist dreams in techni-color--and keep sending copies of your drivel to Richardson!"

Who's showing their biases here? You're nothing but an angry person who can't do the math!

"It's the delegates, stupid!" Clinton has nobody to blame except herself. In meantime, she's going to take down the whole party for her ineptitude and the lack of political reasoning and skills you so lament in the opinion piece.

You're right. Martinez does need Gender Sensitivity Training. Hope WashingPost pays for the course. Media does Matter when it comes to portrayal of strong politicians with ambition as their husband's appendages, and Mr. Martinez should be careful in bashing these women on the road to his own ambition. It may backfire.

Dear Andres Martinez:

Now that you're finished with your uncritical, Hillary-bashing Republican piece of misogynist propaganda, think:

Would you get away writing this unmitigated crap that passes for journalism if you had made any racist comments about Sen. Obama? No. But you can go ahead and WASHINGPOST GIVES YOU THE GREEN LIGHT TO ATTACK A WOMAN WHOSE SIN IS THAT OF...ABMITION--A MALE PRIVILEGE.

Why do you think you're going to escape scrutiny for your cruel comments that have nothing to do with Sen. Clinton's public life and depend on personal sexist attacks to attract readers to your pathetic point of OBAMYOPIC view?

So, she is an AGGRIEVED PRESIDENT'S WIFE! Really? That's why she beat Obama to a pulp in that Debate where his atrocious lack of grasp of issues and inability to account for himself without a Speech/teleprompter was obvious for all of us to see. He was the media darling, remember?

Obama should revise his resume and apply for the Speech writer's job for Hillary. Or, better still, apply to SNL for the comic's job and do what he does (like Andres) best: Bash women with his Z-rapper's style. Shaking crap off on stage, giving his angry, unHealing speech, his shoes--which is exactly what you and Obama think about Women anyway! Right?

You state in your pathetic column that HIllary dares to care more about her Ambition! Great insight! Tell that to Pelosi--except in your twisted thinking the Obama ladies are real women lacking real ambition for the real top job, right?
You should take Logic 101.

Andres MARTINES may want to SUPPORT RICHARDSON's OPPORTUNISM and why not? He's also got a right, as media rep, to give reasons for his support. However, he is certainly not entitled, nor does it show any socio-political smarts, let alone 'journalist skills, to give us IRRATIONAL SEXIST ARGUMENTS AGAINST A VIABLE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, (regardless of Andre's PERSONAL feelings of frustration and/or anger about his relationships with own mother, sister and possible wife or girlfriend or the female gender period! Hey, Andy, it's a 'darn' free country, my boy, and so far there are no legislative enactiments to stop your arrognantly condescending misogyny!)

If Andrez were to have made a remark that Obama's 'pimping his wife' or that the only reason he made it this far is because the media's afraid to touch Him 'cause he is black, he would be attacked--and deservedly so. However, Martinez is free to use his own latino-Macho bias against the gender responsible for hosting his own 9-month tripping to a blessedly uncritical life of (Mediocre) Media Mentor.

This is the extent of Martinez' critical political argumentation to support his weak-kneed RICHARDSON APOLOGIST thesis and, boy, does it give us insight into his plastic axe-to-grind SEXIST pseudo-reasoning process:

"HILLARY Clinton is not where she is IN HER OWN RIGHT. She is here because she is CASHING IN ON HER HUSBAND'S BRAND!".
She didn't become a Senator 'cause she's hardworking and smart and talented. She became a Senator 'cause she was the president's wife--and the president's AGGRIEVED WIFE, ABLE TO DRAW ON A RESERVOIR OF GOOD WILL AND SYMPATHY, thus reversing the meritocratic cause of women!"

Incredible that MARTINEZ GETS AWAY WITH THIS GARBAGE...straight off the murky shoulders and shoes of Obama's rapper-wannabe's post-Debate 'fingering of Hillary' in N.C. (see YouTube "Obama fingers Hillary"!) Wow!

Now we have MARTINEZ CASHING IN on the media's innate anti-Clinton sexism and getting away with it in his pseudo-analysis by subsituting personal bias for political reasoning skills!

No, Andres my boy, "blindly backing Hillary out of a sense of tribal politics" is a statement attributed to Obama's trip to Kenya in November to campaign with fello Hillary-hater Dick Morris on behalf of his cousin fellow-Luo tribal leader marxist-islamist ODINGA who burned 50 churches and raped hundreds of men and women in December when he lost the election to impose Sharia Law. Didn't see your boy shaking off his dainty shoulders and shoes the mud and dirt from that fiasco, did you? Keep on dreaming your sexist dreams in techni-color--and keep sending copies of your drivel to Richardson!

November 4, 2008
"From front Page Washington Post":

EXTRA, EXTRA, READ ALL ABOUT IT, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, was elected by a good margin, to be the next President of the United States and the first woman in the history of our nation to take that seat. Believe it or not, quote the Raven, nevermore.

November 4, 2008
"From Page Washington Post":
EXTRA, EXTRA, READ ALL ABOUT IT, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, was elected by a good margin, to be the next President of the United States and the first woman in the history of our nation to take that seat. Believe it or not, quote the Raven, nevermore.

Well Done!! ---I have thought well of the Clintons through all their ups and downs --but have totally lost respect for them both over the damaging negative sleazy tacticts they have displayed in this campaign ----Here we have a real chance at coming together to build something great --for all the people of America --and they are doing their best to sabotage the Obama effort ----for what I would like to know ??

Great Comeback, Pete Rosa. Who would believe Obamessaiah told all those Lies!

Obama is where he is because he Black. This is a funny (yet ignorate comments). He would have closed Hillary out a long time ago if he wasn't Black. He would have closed her out in Ohio or PA.

In these environments, there is a large group of non-minorities who will not vote him because he is Black. Its amazing 2008, color over issues - how trivial.

It's funny how every time I ask about Hillary's Iraq, Patriot Act, Bankruptcy Bill, and Iran votes all her supporters suddenly develop a severe case of blindness and deafness.

She has a record of standing with the Republicans, and AGAINST the interests of the American people at critical moments.

So why should any real Democrat want to vote for her? Can you really argue that those bills were good? If so, why aren't you a Republican?

You Clinton supporters need some psychiatric treatment and "mendacity" is your middle name. Get a life since Obama is going to win.

Another article written to support Judas Richardson. Nothing more substantive said here, except why the Judas's should be forgiven.

China doesn't vote in November. Florida and Michigan do. So, are you saying Obama is ahead in the national popular vote minus those two states? Then it is not a national popular vote total, by definition.

Face it, Obama is a marginal candidate, with no majority. He is faring well because black Democrats are voting for him for racial reasons (they want one of them in the presidency) and young gullible voters are voting for him because they are afraid the draft will be reinstated (rumors ignited by Democrats in college campuses) and Obama is an anti-war candidte who will keep them away from the war front.

Obama is a black McGovern and his election in a Democratic convention will help doom the party's chances in November, especially when Florida and Michigan votes count.

Oblama is the biggest LIAR in Washington.
As for this dribble written above put down the KOOLAID. Oblama is where he is BECAUSE HES BLACK PERIOD. If he were WHITE an his campaign haD Painted Bill as a Race baiter
He would have been Trounced. But Because hes Black and the media hates the Clintons He got away with it. So much so that anytime hes called on the carpet for his LIES they cry RACISM. As for his ties to Wright, louie farraqua, Bill the Bomber Ayers, Tony I rent slumholes to blacks Rescko, and Others yet to be mentioned. He will get tarred an feathered in the general. What a gift to the REPUBLICAN PARTY Oblami is.
OBLAMAS CAMPAIGN PLAYED THE RACE CARD. DON'T YOU REMEMBER? LET ME REMIND YOU.

1. Senator (Punjab) Memo

2. after N.H. J. Jackson Jr. ( Oblamas Nat. Campaign Co-Chair) on MSNBC " I DON'T REMEMBER HER CRYING AFTER KATRINA" (Code for she doesn't like or care about BLACK PEOPLE "

3. TWO days after Bills "Fairy Tale" Comment Michele Oblama Speaking in a BLACK Church in S.C. Says " He called baracks entire campaign a FAIRY TALE. WELL LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING THIS CAMPAIGN AIN'T NO FAIRY TALE"

4. In the Nevada Debate Tim Russert ASKED OBLAMA " In the spirit of reconciliation do you REGRET YOUR CAMPAIGN DRIVING THIS STORY LINE?" His Answer " YES I DO! NOT ONLY IN HINDSIGHT BUT GOING FORWARD AS WELL."

NOW IF HE DIDN'T DO IT WHY DID HE SAY THAT HE DID?
AS FOR THE LIES
Obama Lies - Quick Glance

1.) Selma Got Me Born - LIAR, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965.

2.) My Name is African Swahili - LIAR, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.

3.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - LIAR, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

4.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - LIAR, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

5.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 - LIAR, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.

6.) Present Votes Are Common In Illinois - LIAR, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.

7.) Oops, I Misvoted - LIAR, only when caught by church groups and democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.

8.) I Was A Professor Of Law - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

9.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

10.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - LIAR, you didn't write it,introduce it, change it, or create it.

11.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - LIAR, it took just 14 days from start to finish.

12.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - LIAR, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.

13.) I Have Released My State Records - LIAR, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.

14.) No One Contacted Canada About NAFTA - LIAR, the Candian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.

15.) I Didn't Run Ads In Florida - LIAR, you allowed national ads to run 8-12 times per day for two weeks - and you still lost.

16.) I Want Americans To Decide - LIAR, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.

17.) My Campaign Was Extorted By A Friend - LIAR, that friend is threatening to sue if you do not stop saying this. Obama has stopped saying this.

18.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - LIAR, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.

19.) I Don't Take PAC Money - LIAR, you take loads of it.

20.) I don't Have Lobbysists - LIAR, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.

21.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - LIAR, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.

22.) My Campaign Never Took Over MySpace - LIAR, Tom, who started MySpace issued a warning about this advertising to MySpace clients.

23.) I Inspire People With My Words - LIAR, you inspire people with other people's words.

24.) I Have Passed Bills In The U.S. Senate - LIAR, you have passed A BILL in the U.S. Senate - for Africa, which shows YOUR priorities.

25.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - LIAR, you weren't in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time, unlike Kucinich, who seems to be out gutting you Obama. You also seem to be stepping back from your departure date - AGAIN.

26.) My Wife Didn't Mean What She Said About Pride In Country - LIAR, your wife's words follow lock-step in the vein of Wright and Farrahkan, in relation to their contempt and hatred of America.

27.) Wal-Mart Is A Company I Wouldn't Support - LIAR, your wife has received nearly a quater of a million dollars through Treehouse, which is connected to Wal-Mart.

28.) Treehouse Is A Small Company - LIAR, the CEO of Treehouse last year, made more than the CEO of Wal-Mart, according to public records.

29.) University Of Chicago Hospital Pay Is Fair - LIAR, your wife's pay raise was nearly 150% her already bloated rate and the hospital is a Non-Profit Hospital, which made $100,000,000 in the last 3 years. They overcharge blacks VS whites for services, and overcharge everyone in general by 538%!

30.)I Barely Know Rezko - Only 5 Billed Hours - LIAR, you have known him for 17 years, and decided to do a real estate deal with him during a time when he was proven to be under investigation. Despite this, you divided your property and had them take off $300K before the mortgage problems started. Then Rezko's wife buys the lot beside it that you can't afford, saving you $625,000.

It's funny how every time I ask about Hillary's Iraq, Patriot Act, Bankruptcy Bill, and Iran votes all her supporters suddenly develop a severe case of blindness and deafness.

She has a record of standing with the Republicans, and AGAINST the interests of the American people at critical moments.

So why should any real Democrat want to vote for her? Can you really argue that those bills were good? If so, why aren't you a Republican?

Bill Clinton and Mark Penn are Hillary's own Wright. How can it be okay for her family and her key strategist to make money off the Free Trade she is against?

Hey...Does anybody know about the Peter Paul case which involves the Clinton three and some well known movie people?
The whole family is set to testify.
It is happening in LA,But nobody is talking about it.
You Clinton people check it out, you might just want to stay home come Nov.
More Clinton lies and fraud.
Nothing to do with Obama.

Hillary has lost all my respect, along with Bill who adds even more negativity. She has done nothing but increase her negatives and give credibility to a republican smear campaign against Obama. All she had to do was run a better and cleaner campaign and she would have won the nomination. Now it seems like she is trying to make Obama lose so she can try again in 2012. Better to groom Chelsea, because Hillary will never be President in her lifetime!

Orale, Olga!

"Hillary Clinton is not the little woman that will stay in the kitchen, wring her hands and/or sit on her apron!"

She obviously didn't do well in math in school. Unless she's planning to steal the primary election, she can't get what counts, "It's the delegates, stupid!"

"Get over the sexist attitude and let the people...ALL the people VOTE!"

All the people are going to vote. What's sexist about stating the facts? There's nothing in the editorial that says she should drop out. All the primaries will run their course. The sad fact is that the math doesn't add up, "It's the delegates, stupid!"

"Study the issue of the pastor well...he described Obama as a 'politician' who endured sitting on a 'cactus' for 20 years and pretended it wasn't there! PUHLEEZE!"

Keep the Republican points going! We might as well listen to every pastor's sermon that Hillary sat in on and associate their perspective as her own. Smell the flowers. The pastor's sermon isn't going to knock Obama out nor give Hillary the nomination, "It's the delegates, stupid!" The super delegates aren't going to turn against the final tally.

Democrats will unite after the primaries and rally around Obama, the sooner the better.

Why shouldn't Senator Clinton fight for the nomination? Why are Senator Obama's supporters so eager to have her just quit and go away rather than have Mr. Obama prove he should be the nominee? If he can't get more than half of the Democrats to vote for him in the primaries, how will he get all of the Democrats and a good portion of Republicans to vote for him in November?

And if he thinks this campsign is bad, just wait till he gets swift-boated by the boys in the GOP. He should be grateful for the chance to cut his teeth now, rather than then.

And I still think Hillary Clinton would be a far, far better president than he ever would. So there.

bill has already paid for 100 gal. canary yellow paint from walmart. he is gonna paint the white house yellow for hillary. monica is gonna hold his ladder.

Senator Hillary Clinton is no "heroine"
Neither is her Husband Bill an angel.
They may yell and holler all they want
Maybe soon they will get oer their mad
but they are definitely not heroes in shape of being "for truth, justice, and The American Way!"

mm wrote: "I thought that GOP wants Obama. Change of heart?"

Uhm, no. The only people who have said that are the Clinton people to bolster the idea that Obama is the weaker candidate.

Everyone else in the world ( including the Republicans ) view Hillary as the weakest link. That's why Rush, et al, push for their own party members to vote for her.

Operation Chaos or Operation Rush-The-Vote

Those Democrats who are voting for the underdog [Clinton] are only keeping this contention going.

Orale, Martinez!

Hillary Clinton is not the little woman that will stay in the kitchen, wring her hands and/or sit on her apron!

Get over the sexist attitude and let the people...ALL the people VOTE!

Study the issue of the pastor well...he described Obama as a 'politician' who endured sitting on a 'cactus' for 20 years and pretended it wasn't there! PUHLEEZE!

Olga
Austin, Texas

Obama is a typical lawyer. hwe expects to outsmart everyone and get them believing his manipulated version of reality. This is the usual Obama dribble... Obama screwed up, and he's going to somehow try and paint a picture thant Hillary screwed up to get the heat off him.

There is nothing real about this story. Obama is the one that has been praising all the Republicans. Why? I don't know. Maybe he thinks crossover Republicans will vote for him. Hello McCain is a Liberal Republican so Obama is making no sense. he's grasping at straws because he has no real foundation to his campaign and it shows. Surprise!!!

Time was not on Obama's side, that's why he was so desperate for Hillary to drop out. Yet he spent a fortune to defeat her in TX, OH, and PA, and more Democrats want Hillary, because her solutions make sense and his slogan go nowehere, and he's scary, because he could be worse than Bush. he's a wild card.

This is the typical underhanded Obama Smear. Like he most likely distributed his own turban Photo... This is a Obama/Axelrod planted story to smear Hillary nothing more.

Who was praising Reagan and Bush Sr in the Debate? OBAMA THE REPUBLICRAT. WHO SAID ANY CANDIDATE WOULD BE BETTER THAN BUSH INCLUDING MCCAIN? OBAMA.

Obama can't solve any problems so his staff spends their time trying to creat ways to smear Hillary worse than Obama undermines himself. Good try but I'm not buying this BS. Obama is offering nothing but Democrat Loss #3.

Hillary is a great candidate and I trust Hillary to deliver important solutions to American problems across a broad spectrum and withour preference based on race, faith, or how much money you make. Obama is a loser, extremist, who is vicious and NEGATIVE and he an Axelrod play good cop bad cop and this stinks of a phony story placed by Obama to take the heat off his blunder.

You all just dislike Hillary because she hasn't got a penis.

I beg to differ Bill - Barack Obama has the numbers and will continue to have the numbers - unless of course an asteroid collides with the remaining primary states. The Clintons will insist that they're winning. When there's nothing left to cling to, fatuous pettifoggery is as good as anything. That's all it is. In my opinion, the race was over before it started. But then, I had some experience. Okay "Stumped," help me out. Solve this: http://theseedsof9-11.com

John Sheffield....you say the GOP in NC run negative ads against Obama because at all costs Reps don't want to run against him in the general. I can tell you, as a Republican, I don't want Obama on the ticket because God forbid we got him as a default President....Clinton would be the only accecptable back-up choice, and millions of Republicans feel the same. Republican dilemma....wanting McCain to run against Obama...easier to trounce? Or God forbid something happens to McCain's campaign and your guy doesn't win....Clinton default. That's why NC GOP is running the Rev. Wright (Obama's Iraq) commercial.

What an outstanding, insightful piece. It is refreshing to actually read a thoughtful, insightful analysis that cuts through all of the propaganda. Truly a nice job done. The Clintons have always and will always be about one thing, their own self-interest. The campaign is over, there is NO WAY she can win, absent something catastrophic happening. Yet, all we hear from the Clintons is how far they are ahead, how people don't appreciate them, how the press doesn't give them a fair deal. They are so concerned about messaging and press statements that they have no time or energy left to be thoughtful, genuine, or honest. Bravo to you for showing everyone what Hillary's campaign is and always was, a long term power play to remedy all that went wrong with the last Clinton administration. And bravo to you for having the courage to state the truth, that Hillary's Senate seat was bought and paid for by the Clinton sycophants.

Hillary has to keep running. If she quits, she alienates her contributors, and she needs more from them to pay off her campaign's mounting debt. And Obama couldn't quit if he wanted to -- he'll want those people to give to him again, and quitting would alienate them.

It is the moderate, centrist candidates who win general elections, not the screamers.

Posted by: pogo again | April 25, 2008 5:25 AM
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But it is the ideologues who win the primaries and get the party nominations, because their backers are more committed. Don't take my word for it, ask Rep. Tom Davis, who realizes that, no matter how well he might do in a GE, he cannot win a primary in the face of committed opposition from doctrinaire VA conservatives.

And while Hillary isn't a "mainstream Democrat" unless you consider the DLC "mainstream", in which case Howard Dean's famous comment, quoting Paul Wellstone, "I'm from the Democratic wing of the Democratic party" would make no sense. Hillary SAYS she's 95% identical to Obama on the issues, but she's just doing that because if she owned up to her positions (as on NAFTA), she'd lose outright across the board in Dem primaries.

It's amusing to see so many Obama supporters smugly congratulating themselves because his followers are more educated, then turn around and demonstrate that their understanding of the Florida and Michigan issues comes from Internet speculation and blog misinformation. Hillary agreed not to campaign in Michigan and Florida, an agreement she stuck to more than Obama. She never said she thought they should be stripped of their delegates. She said the election won't count, because that's what the DNC had ruled. The DNC rules also clearly state that the two states can appeal to be seated, or can present a plan for a revote. Hillary has said that she will encourage her delegates to vote to seat them, and her campaign put forward several proposals for a revote, which the Obama camp torpedoed. She's not trying to change any rules, she's saying what she thinks should be done under the rules. Perhaps some of you Obama supporters could take the time to learn what the hell you're talking about before you start vilifying her.

As for helping the Republicans, the best selling point for the Dems in the fall will be to compare eight years under Bush to eight years under Clinton. Unfortunately, one candidate has made it his mission to constantly tell the voters that the last Dem President wasn't so great, that he had no ideas, and that working people lost jobs under his administration. Can someone please tell me how this helps the party? I guess when Obama acts in his own selfish interest, it's acceptable, because someone that pure can be forgiven anything.

And by the way, for those of you who keep pointing to his time in the Illinois Senate as some kind of relevant experience, you might take into account the fact that the Illinois Senate only meets for 4 1/2 months a year. But being so highly educated I'm sure you all knew that.

Clinton -- instead of "Change you can believe in", her motto ought to be "You can't believe she'll change".

WHY WON'T OBAMA DEBATE?
WHO'S THE ONE WHO FALLS SHORT AT EVERY DEBATE WITH HIS DISCUSSION OF THE ISSUES?
EVEN HER CRITICS SAID SHE OUT DEBATED HIM IN PENN. SHE WOULD DO THE SAME IN NC AND INDIANA, BUT HE RUNS SCARED.

Posted by: ERNIE
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Obama is not debating because it would be stupid for him to do so. First, his opponent is way behind in cash. Giving her free media is stupid. Also, CBS' Katie Couric would be the "moderator." She's compared her situation to Hillary's; there's no reason to think she wouldn't be at least as biased as the ABC ones. Finally, he's ahead in the polls: he's running out the clock in the primaries and in these primaries. He simply has nothing to gain by debating. If the positions were reversed, she'd do the same thing.

HEY SNARKY IT TAKES ONE TO KNOW--ONE IF HILLARY WERE McCAINS VP- SHE BE THE ONE THAT WOULD HAVE TO DO ALL THE WORK.WHO CARES IF SHE IS SNARKY [NOT] GETTING THE COUNTRY IN A BETTER PLACE IS SOMETHING TO TO WORRY ABOUT NOT THE NICKEL NUT STUFF!

Wow! I don't even think the word "sexist" will fully cover it here.

Basically, to follow your pattern of thought, Hillary Clinton should never have run for office because of who she married. She'll always be Bill Clinton's wife to you, no matter what she accomplishes "on her own" (to use a term you may understand). What she's accomplished in the Senate is likely of little interest to you. You probably are incapable of seeing her "work" as First Lady as a job in politics. You may discount is as "just" being First Lady. Niiicceeee. That will keep women in their places in politics, won't it?

As a professional, college-educated, 40-something, mom -- I get it; you don't. She was earning on-the-job political experience while being Mrs. Bill Clinton, AND has earned her own experience as a Senator. I believe she'll be a far better president than he was.

I feel sorry for any woman you know personally who you may be discounting simply because of who they are married to.

HILLARY IS NOTHING BUT TALK.
SHE'S SHOWN HER SKILLS RUNNING HER OWN CAMPAIGN.
WHERE SHE IS NOW, IS THANKS TO THE CLINTON NAME, NOT HILLARY NAME OR WHATSOEVER.
BELIEVE ME.

You. Go.

I don't think it's ever been summed up better.

It is so clear that Obama is every bit as much a politician as Clinton. He has been planning his political moves for years. If people stayed with the last debate until the 2nd half, you would have seen his inability to answer policy questions with any ease.

You can question whether or not the delegates from Florida should or should not be seated, but you cannot question the validity i.e. certification of the Florida primary votes. The voting was in accordance to Florida election regulations and the results were certified by the state of Florida. I remind you that the Republican primary was held on the same day, and by the same process as the Democratic primary. All of the votes, both Republican and Democratic, were certified in the same manner.

THESE HOT CHICKS ARE SO AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Girls don't be dumb @sses and vote against your best interest. Oh yeah baby-to the White House.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDU9xKNo-zo

She made a "mistake" on the Iraq war authorization vote.

She voted with George W. Bush and the Republicans for the PATRIOT Act, gutting the Bill of Rights.

She voted with George W. Bush and the Republicans for the bankruptcy bill, gutting the middle class and working class.

She voted with George W. Bush and the Republicans for the Iran "terrorist" bill, AGAIN trusting Bush and Cheney not to start an unprovoked war - even though she'd had bloody years of the Iraq war to learn from.

She appointed incompetent cronies to run her campaign, blowing a huge lead in name recognition, money, and party support. Even as her campaign went down the tubes, she insisted on turning a blind eye to the whole mess; loyalty from her cronies trumped competence.

How is she different from George W. Bush? Why should any Democrat who cares about Democratic issues vote for her?

Oh, please. Sure, name recognition has been a big factor in Hillary's rise. But she's hardly the only one - does the name "Kennedy" ring a bell? How about "Bush"? (To name just two of many.) And unlike G.W., it's not hard to believe that Hillary may well have ended up where she is now even if she'd never meet Bill Clintion - and maybe even sooner.

I think we can all agree that John McCain won huge in Pennsylvania. I also agree that any candidate that recklessly tosses out a threat to "obliterate" a country has earned the "tough" title. I guess strength on national security now boils down to how little hesitation one would have in nuking a country. Now THAT is a fighting spirit worth cheering for.

Newsjunkie -
You've got to be kidding with "she steers clear of any meaningful discussion of substantive issues that might further inform us and help us make an intelligent desicion".....THEN WHY WON'T OBAMA DEBATE?
WHO'S THE ONE WHO FALLS SHORT AT EVERY DEBATE WITH HIS DISCUSSION OF THE ISSUES?
EVEN HER CRITICS SAID SHE OUT DEBATED HIM IN PENN. SHE WOULD DO THE SAME IN NC AND INDIANA, BUT HE RUNS SCARED.

Can any Hillary supporter tell me that they know even one Republican who will sincerely vote for her in the fall? I know a bunch of Republicans and they wouldn't dream of voting for her in the General. On the other hand, some of my republican friends have either openly said they will vote for Obama or they are at least open to the idea. Clinton will not draw any support from Republicans, which when coupled with the inevitable depressed African American vote will mean that she would lose BIG in November. Luckily, that isn't going to happen...Whew!

Thank you for voicing what so many people feel. She is trying to ruin this election for the Democrats so she can run again in four years. I hope more people see this as true.

Stumpy--

You rock! (I almost wrote this in all caps).

I've had several Clintonistas take me to task for not supporting The Hurt One and now I will add your reasons to mine.

What are my reasons for not supporting Hillary Clinton? Easy--take a look and see if you can agree.

1. The Clintons (since Hillary has tagged herself onto former President Bill Clinton for experience's sake) lost Congress to the Republicans in 1994. Democrats did not regain it until 2006, 12 years later. When your party can't control Congress, you lose a big part of the ball. It includes Supreme Court nominations, other Presidential appointees, legislation and oversight of the Executive Branch. Remember how much fun it was to have Bush+GOP Congress? Thank the Clintons!

2. The Clintons (since they've always presented themselves as a "total package") do not have coattails. (see 1994). They are very bad at campaigning for other Democrats (just ask Al Gore). They are not helping the Democratic Party grow and build. The only thing they enjoy doing is keeping the party more centrist. That's not a bad goal, in my opinion, but um, you need a Party that wins elections to keep that going.

3. The Clintons (since they're still married. Not sure I could do what they've done. Stay togeterh like that.) Let me start again...The Clintons are about...The Clintons. This seems to piss off the known universe around them, including the MSM. Remember the 90's? I mean the bad parts.

Again. Thanks, Stumped, for saying it all. As for you Chaos Republicans-no, wait, Democrats-lying-sacks-of-poo types, go away!

Ask Obama a question and he strains to remember what precisely it was that his advisers told him to say, which is very reminiscent of the current occupier of the White House. He stammers and wordifies like John Kerry did and rarely gives an understandable and concise answer, revealing his utter lack of "eloquence" when he's not sermonizing to his adoring crowds.

Hillary lays it out in plain English. I know exactly where she stands and I like what I hear.

First of all, if you dare speak if Reagan, spell his name correctly. Then, thank him for the fall of Communism.

Also, let me assure you that John McCain will win the election. He is much more qualified than two people whose biggest claims to be President are gender and race.

You are an eloquent observer. Thank you for genius well spoken!

Bravo to all the feminists that vote for a woman who blames the other women for her husband's infidelities.

Bravo to all the HRC supporters that wouldn't take the lies coming out of
HRC's mouth from their own kids.

Bravo to any lawyers that would accept Hillary's acceptance of the terms of the DNC's disqualification and then renege on it.

If we wouldn't accept this behavior for our kids or in our business relationships, why would we accept it from our President.

I guess you're just lowering the bar for your particular candidate and that's disingenuous.

I like the fact that HRC supporters can blame Obama for stuff that doesn't come out of his own mouth, but have no problems ignoring the lies that comes their habitual liar of a candidate.

The more I think about it, the more I'm becoming convinced of the following:
First of all, the very name Clinton seems to mobilize and inspire every right-wing radical; therefore, she is probably toast in an election vs any Republican.
Because of this, she is the Democratic candidate most preferred (by the right) to face McCain in November.
This would explain why she is getting so much "help" from the Limbaughs and Scaifes of the world, sworn bitter enemies of the Clintons and of Democrats in general.
For Hillary to be seen cooperating with Richard Mellon Scaithe just shows that her personal ambitions were strong enough to override what should have been extreme skepticism of his "support" for her. I think she is being "set up" so that she can be soundly defeated by McCain in November.

Obama camp called Bill Clinton a racist for suggesting that Obama will win SC just as Jessee Jackson won in SC. They went on to call Hillary and Geraldine racists. In the mean time, they were using every trick in the book to get all black votes for Obama. Obama is a democrat only lately, Hillary has been there for years. Remember, African Americans used to call Bill Clinton the First Black President because of his inclusive policies? I think that Obama has splintered the democratic party knowing well that race issue will come up during November. He pre-empted the race issue for the primaries by accusing Bill Clinton as a racist, but then went on merrily to appeal to the black voters using alleged racism shown by Clintons. It was indeed a disingenious trick, but every one knew what was happening. The mask came off when he started saying that those who support Hillary cling to guns, churches and intolerance because of economic problems. I think that he just didn't handle himself well, and when he fell off the pedestal, his supporters want to pin the blame on Hillary and Bill. This is an old trick: If you can't beat your opponent, start calling them names. Obama is the one who likes Republican president Regan and Republican ideas. He is the one who, as a unifier, wants to be united with Republicans. So he will be a most fitting VP for John McCain. He can carry on the Bush agenda of compassionate conservatism inherited from Ronald Regan.

We have had 8 years of lies and half truths from the Bushies. Now we have Hillary declaring a lead in the popular vote. The footnote to the lie being if you count Florida and Michigan. Well Florida and Michigan did not count and ironically if they had left their primaries where they were they would have had the attention just like PA & IN have had. So she says red is blue, Obama says no red is red and then Obama is accused of being negative. At what point does the Democratic party stop making Obama jump higher and higher. When do they stop raising the bar for him and lowering the bar for someone who does not give a sweet fig for the party. Look at all the new voters Obama has registered and energized, he has singlehandedly taken over here in Montana. I as a lifetime dem cannot believe the number of people poring into his HQ to volunteer and so many of them young first time voters. Hallaluah!!!!! If the powers that be disinfranchise all those fresh young hopeful people and go with the powerful insider couple I won't vote for McCain I just won't vote and I suspect so will all of those young peoples who thought they could actually make a difference.

Just tell me, how many young people have joined Ms. Clinton's list? Change is all we want, why can Ms. Clinton and supporters accept the fact that 1990's while they were good economically, they were many many odds, democracts for one lost the two houses, why can she elaborate in her healthcare fiasco? is she thinks that being a wife of a president makes her experienced, what can we say about Ms. L.Bush?
PLease get real and accept the fact that you cannot have the presidency, eventhough your womanizer husband is trying so hard going after the race card.
Go and pray the rosary dear lady.

BRAVO!!!

...so well said.

You should have pointed out to that cheery Hillary supporter that Hillary's popular vote totals EXCLUDE all the caucuses...Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, North Dakota, Maine, Hawaii, Wyoming, or even Nevada, Washington, and Texas!

Obama won this a long time ago.
The only reason Hillary is still in the race is because of her "treatment in the media"...they have pushed her as a viable candidate, even though she LOST weeks ago.

BRAVO!!!

...so well said.

You should have pointed out to that cheery Hillary supporter that Hillary's popular vote totals EXCLUDE all the caucuses...Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, North Dakota, Maine, Hawaii, Wyoming, or even Nevada, Washington, and Texas!

Obama won this a long time ago.
The only reason Hillary is still in the race is because of her "treatment in the media"...they have pushed her as a viable candidate, even though she LOST weeks ago.

Its extremely hypocritical the way Obama followers rail against Florida and Michigan primaries. True, Clinton was the only name on the ticket, but it was because the other candidates deliberately withheld their names. They did so by choice. Not like the candiates in Obama's first Illinois Senate race. Obama had all the other candidates names removed from the ballot through legal challenges! The courts elected Obama rather than the people. Where was the outrage of having only one name on the ballot then?

Hillary will win if she can convince the Democratic Party to change its rules just for her OR if she can convince pledged delegates to change their affiliation in August and stage a coup OR if she and Bill can strong arm enough Superdelegates to line up behind her. Hey - inside the Clinton camp that all seems possible and reasonable.

GO HILLARY GO!!!!! Sure is interesting that Chris Matthews (MSNBC) is actually saying some nice words about Hillary.....how come? Because she didn't attend one of his collage tours???? This, he thinks is the way to get her???? He's such an idiot. All of MSNBC has been totally mean to her. GO HILLARY, GO!!!!!!

Beautifully said Andres!

Well said, Andres. There's no question which candidate has brought GOP-style tactics to the Democratic primary race - the Clinton team. Not in my party, please.

Why do you and the rest of the press never mention that the Fla and Mich primaries were forced out of the time approved by the Democratic party by Republican operatives? What this deliberate oversight means is that YOU, Mr. Martinez, are nothing but a Republican hack.

Thank you for succinctly and articulately expressing my own views. I've often wondered what it was like to live in the Rodham household with someone as doggedly competitive and unpleasantly snarky as Hillary can be.

"What experience? As was stated in the column, is two more years in the senate really some sort of huge "experience" advantage?"

That anyone would even argue with this logic is a stark illustration of the delusional nature of many HRC supporters.

Clinton votes democrat and lives republican, she is a republican at heart!

"Why not hold an additional contest in China to further bolster her popular vote totals?"

Brilliant! For 'committed' (i.e., crazy) HRC supporters this doesn't sound at all out of the question. Perhaps we can just air drop them at 30,000 feet and have the results mailed to HRC campaign HQ for 'certification?'

Experienced - competent? I hardly think so. If she was competent, she would have at least read the NIE before she cast her vote to take us to war. She's continually moving the goal posts during the primaries - and is now making an issue of FL and MI - when she herself signed an agreement prior to the start on what the ground rules were. I'm seeing too much Bush philosophy in those moves - if I don't like the rules I'll just change them. I don't find her trustworthy in the least - and after 8 years of the bush cabal - I at least expect a better respresentation of that. Obama is struggling because of his honesty - and I'll take his approach any day. I couldn't even hold my nose and cast a vote for her - and I've done the same before for dem candidates, but not this time. Not if she steals the nomination.

Hillary has been a much better senator for new york than Obama has been for illinois. there was a newspaper comparision of the activity/productivity of each of them during their time in the senate, and even after factoring obama's much shorter time there, hillary is significantly more productive.

so if you look at their actual career performance, adjusted for their different ages, hillary is by far the better candidate.

if you look at their total experience in the senate, hillary is way ahead.
as a new york resident, i was sceptical of how she would do in the senate, but she really put in the effort and was amazingly bipartisan in her efforts there; she did many bills together with her republican counterparts even those who had been very hostile to bill clinton in his presidency.
to me that is the 'change' that obama talks about, right there, actualized.

so given all the information above, the only way obama can make a case that he is the better candidate is through marketing, not through an objective presentation and comparision of each candidate's achievements and experience.

i look for more substantive qualities in the next president than just the ability to market and spin. i look for someone who cares enough to follow and understand the details of their job. there are two many echoes between that kind of ability and the qualities that i see in our current president.

i look for someone who is also willing to sweat the details to make sure that any plan they have for the country is if not THE right plan, at least it is A right plan.
so far i see that quality in hillary and but not in obama.

in fact, i see many parallels between him and bush; the policies they support appear to be different, but like bush, obama appears to rely on others to come up with his policies. bush has been wrong but has continued to rely on his judgement which i think is more based on Belief than Facts, and i can see something similar, though not as pronounced perhaps, happening were Obama to be the president.

As an independent, i don't want a president whose judgement that is based on democratic dogma or personal belief, but one whose judgement is clear-eyed, that comes from a deep understanding and experience of how the country and the world works.

i don't want the united states to be a laboratory to see if academic theories about 'change' can work, especially since i have not seen any specific details of the theories yet; any academic research grant needs more detail than that before funding can be approved; i do not want my family and myself to be the lab rats for such 'research'.

i want a president who cares about every person in the country, who sees them as individuals, not as abstractions, or symbols. i believe hillary's personality is better suited to that than obama's.

as a resident of new york city, and as a new citizen of the US, a city and a country of immigrants and new starts, i respect people who walk their talk, and i judge them not on their family's or friends' accomplishments, but on their own accomplishments, similarly i try not to hold the history of their family or friends against anyone, and i hope others will extend the same courtesy to me in return.

so, i understand why some people worry about hillary's 'baggage' but i will not base my judgements on the same.

almost all the attacks against her, it seems to me, are either based on her 'baggage' or rely on the extreme and possibly blind optimism that obamaa can make these wide, deep and non-specific 'changes' happen, or rely on flawed/incomplete comparisions of their respective career achievements/experience.

Finally, the first sensible thing i've seen in mainstream print - and yes, i'm a 52yr. old woman boomer in a working & middle class white family - what i've been most astonished by is the constant confusion of hers/bills experience - she's not a Rhodes Scholar and she spent years on Wal-Mart's Board sticking up for a woman's right to low wages and no healthcare - at Thanksgiving, we were 8 w/equal gender split, all boomers and none for Clinton, at Passover, we were 10, 1 Clinton supporter, all else for Obama - her campaign seems like one long con by the Rove boys, rumors in OH & PA of Republican factory workers switching to ensure her candidacy because they know she hasn't a chance - third highest negatives after Bush & Cheney nationwide and the only candidate whose negatives rise everywhere she goes! Thanks for giving back some common sense to crazy lazy reporters parroting the PR from McCain/Clinton.

I would turn the tables and say, if the two candidates are so close, what was the purpose of his candidacy? She was the front runner and to depose a front runner isn't that easy a task. He still hasn't done it.

Mr. Obama proved he was the most eloquent -far and away the most brilliant pundit since Ronald Reagan and maybe better than him - but we can't afford to vote for a guy that sounds good this time - that makes us feel good - when need someone that knows how to do good. That's not McCain and Obama doesn't seem quite ready -but Hillary seems to know her stuff. So whether its uncomfortable for the media or not - since they picked Obama and will look like saps or ignorant if he isn't the nominee - too bad!

Rajesh-Your reading the "opinion" section of a newspaper. Duh.

Wow. An article that said exactly what I am thinking. Why is she being held up so high? I dont get it.. if she wasn't Mrs Clinton she wouldn't have made it even this far.

This is not a newspaper, but an opinionpaper, which continues to publish the opinions of idiots.

"I'm sick of hearing you idiots. I voted for her because of experience and I will not vote for Obama period."

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What experience? As was stated in the column, is two more years in the senate really some sort of huge "experience" advantage?

RIGHT ON!
Barack has to overcome hurdles no President in our history has faced, among them the cooperation of his Dempcratic opponent with his Republican opponent to scuttle his candidacy on fear and race, not to mention gender.
The scurriolus capitulation of the media to the usual guttersniping even in the "best" newspapers is extraordinary, too.
As usual appearances trumps reality and innuendo trumps fact.

Hillary is not even running on her own merit. the media has played into her hand by denying that Obama's experience in the Illinois state has value, when in reality his experience there is vital and extensive, and the state level legislatures are notoriously difficult places to achieve a substantive record.

finally, no matter how you spin it, most of Billary's supporters are undereducated low income or elderly whites who would prefer to vote for her husband, as well as women who have the shallow conviction and successfullly sold it to national media that voting for a bad female candidate over a phenomenal male candidate is a strike for feminism.

well i have paid a high price for being a feminist and social justice whistle blower and i support Obama's practical idealism and cooperative leadership style over Billary's dictatorship based upon elitist entitlement with all my heart and soul and feminist mindset.

i think what is most horrific to me is that a candidacy which the media and our Nation almost came together to celebrate based upon sunstance instead of spin has compromised the presidency of an authentic hero for all Americans in Barack Obama, from the the working poor and the intelectually gifted rich to the the most left behind multiply besieged kids in the worst schools and their lost elders in the worst prisons in America.

So if both dems are damaged goods, might there be enough political clarity in the superdelegates' concern for the party to consider some compromise ticket, maybe not quite imaginable today, but Kaine/Lincoln or Richardson/Wilder or Gore/Harkin??? Some such?

Attention ALL trolls & ideologues (oximoron? or, moron).

The Clinton's are POLITICIANS. Like ALL that species they had encountered a rough patch. They tried to scramble out to safe ground & seem to be headed there. I dislike them, immensely. It comes to my families safety from enemies: to pick between the phony elegant phraser, and, Ms. Rusty Razor. Bye-bye, phraser; take over from your spiritual adviser. NOT IN MY BACKYARD.

I don't think Hillary is really doing geat because all the vote came to her at PA primary were there Republicans who last minute registered as Democrats and they will switch or re-regiater again as Republicans to vote for McCain in the general election. Instead Obama's voting block will expand because I don't believe any Republican switched just to vote for Obama due to the idea Rush Limbaugh is promoting. Hillary was losing basically every primary till Rush Limbaugh came to her aid suggesting Repulicans to register as Democrats and vote for Hillary because she is the one who will be easy to beat. I think now it shos because a whole lot of Republican changed partys and registered as Democrats just to vote in the primary for Hillary those may be well the White/Blue collar works.

Hillary Clinton is the best thing that ever happened to the Republican Party.

"Clinton is a capable woman who'd make a credible presidential candidate in her own right. But she is not here in her own right. She is cashing in on her husband's brand."

When you argue that Clinton is underqualified for the job and that she's only where she is because of her husband, you have to use reasoning that only make Obama look more of an underqualified minority candidate and ivy league face man.

Since Clinton has more of the detailed policy knowledge, experience, maturity, substance and everything else a President and Senator, than Obama has, and since you think her "ascent" was undue, then what does that say about Obama's qualifications? Are you implicitly endorsing Geraldine Ferraro's view that Obama's advancing on account of his racial status?

Arguments and articles like yours only make sense to those who already worship Obama and view him through the lens of irrationality that places his lack of qualifications, lack of compelling, concrete arguments for his candidacy above question, just as his supporters feel his relationships with unrepentant terrorists, racist preachers and indicted corruption figures are beyond questioning.

Your article only reveals how reflexive and biased your view of the candidates are, as you apply standards to Clinton that are Obama's greatest weaknesses with white voters. You are hopelessly indoctrinated.

The media and the blogosphere has entered a parallel universe in which they are no longer speaking to the majority of Americans who are comparing the two candidates, and they don't realize it yet, even after Pennsylvania.

"Clinton is a capable woman who'd make a credible presidential candidate in her own right. But she is not here in her own right. She is cashing in on her husband's brand."

When you argue that Clinton is underqualified for the job and that she's only where she is because of her husband, you have to use arguments that only make Obama look more of an underqualified minority candidate and ivy league face man.

Since Clinton has more of the detailed policy knowledge, experience, maturity, substance and everything else a President and Senator, than Obama has, and since you think her "ascent" was undue, then what does that say about Obama's qualifications? Are you implicitly endorsing Geraldine Ferraro's view that Obama's advancing on account of his racial status?

Arguments and articles like yours only make sense to those who already worship Obama and view him through the lens of irrationality that places his lack of qualifications, lack of compelling, concrete arguments for his candidacy above question, just as his supporters feel his relationships with unrepentant terrorists, racist preachers and indicted corruption figures are beyond questioning.

Your article only reveals how reflexive and biased your view of the candidates are, as you apply standards to Clinton that are Obama's greatest weaknesses with white voters. You are hopelessly indoctrinated.

The media and the blogosphere has entered a parallel universe in which they are no longer speaking to the majority of Americans who are comparing the two candidates, and they don't realize it yet, even after Pennsylvania.

Matthew:

"Come on folks, let's stop knocking Hillary Clinton for ridiculous deep seated prejudiced attitudes and move our society and culture forward!"

Let us knock her because of her ridiculous deep seated integrity issues and move our country forward.

Hillary = McCain's road to the White House.

She could team up with Nader. That would really screw up the party. I guess she hasn't yet thought of that one.

Clinton says she should get the nomination because she won the big states.

Then let her get out of the race for President of the United States of America, and run for President of the United Big States of America.

Martinez-another guy that just can't stand the fact that this woman has more ba11s than he will ever have. He sounds like a whining crybabay-and would fit in perfectly with the Obama campaign. There is a growing rumor that the male media that just can't handle Clinton's strength all suffer from E. D. I hear Tim Russert has it big time -or should I say limp time.

The Chief won't ever vote for Hillary because she reminds me about his second and fifth grade teachers. The Chief hated those women and spent much time in the hallway doing penance.

"Women, Unite!"

Someone thinks women are gullible enough to vote for a woman just because she is a woman.

Everybody, get this straight:
Clinton's gender is awesome; her competence stinks.
Clinton's gender is awesome; her integrity stinks.

REMEMBER HOW THE GOP

WIPED THE DEMS OUT AFTER

BILL'S SCANDAL

CAN WE TAKE THAT CHANCE AGAIN

WHY DID SHE STICK WITH HIM

IF SHE CARES ABOUT US

incredibly after that long diabtribe against Clinton, you never answered the question--what did she do to you personally, because your whole complaint list sounded very personal on your side to me.

I think Clinton has a legitmate claim to the nomination. Obama has barely won any states that democrats traditionally win. Horray for him winning the south and midwest, I'm sure they will get us the win in November. If we were smart and we're not (hopefully the superdelegates are), we'd be lending tremendous weight to swing states and then see what the picture looks like. Clinton has won Ohio and Florida (this could be discounted) which are pretty key not to mention traditional democratic heavy hitters like California and New York. I like both candidates but to say that Obama should have a decisive lock on the nomination based on the votes is not strategic enough.

COUNTDOWN TO VICTORY
298 DELEGATES TO GO

VS 436 HILLARY
WITH ONLY 706 LEFT
298 SUPERS 408 ELECTED
GO OBAMA

GO NC GO IN

Dear lostintranslation,

why she continue to run ?

Because it is a race. In a race, you don't quit because you see your opponet ahead of you by half an inch. Remember, Obama hasn't reached the finish line yet and he hasn't qualified yet. It is a shame that bunch of people stand on the side-line and want to push her off the track. I thought we are a democracy and the winner is declared at the end of the election.

It is not Hillary Clinton that is damaging the Democratic Party. It is the left of the base that has caused the "Centrist" Democrats (Blue Dog Democrats)to go and work hard for Hillary. We will survive but at what cost. Don't blame Hillary - blame the far left. Just as the far Right of the Republican Party has caused a major split in the that party so has the Left cause a major split in the Democratic Party. We will never support a "Far Left" candidate. We are Reagan Democrats.

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Nice comment on V.P. Clinton. The pictures of Hil and McCain would seem to prove you out that they would make a nice ticket. I am hoping now that this is out there that she takes you up on it.

She is not going to be president. That much I would bet the farm.

Just a note on Paul Krugman's column in the NYT today, since they don't allow blogging, he is so far inside one of her pant suit pockets. He says the 'magic is gone' from Obama and that Obama is now as dirty as she is. PLEASE. I missed Obama's 3 a.m. Osama bin Laden commercial. Perhaps Krugman can post it on youtube.

Thanx.

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Exit polling showed that the more educated voters were supporting Obama. Judging from the quality of the comments posted here, it seems the same holds true for commenters.

Hear, friggin', hear.

"the colored community should be asking itself if it is they who are voting on color.

Posted by: Metronome | April 25, 2008 3:33 AM"

You didn't just say COLORED did you? Please tell me I'm hallucinating? Your white robes are showing!

Val, the question isn't why Hillary ENTERED the race.

No doubt she did so for good motives (combined with personal ambition that must be a part of anyone who could ever think of running for President, Obama included.) The point is why she does eh continue to run, even when she knows that she has no way of catching up with Obama, and why would she rather win dirty (one classic example; explicitly agreeing that Michigan and Flordia won't count when she thought she wouldn't need them anyway, and then when she needs them suddenly demanding that they be counted and claiming that this is a matter of principle, not self-interest) than accept defeat?

"After seeing Obama give Hillary "the finger" on You Tube,
Posted by: goldenstate | April 25, 2008 3:20 AM"

You have to be kidding me... you actually believe that Fox New bullsh!t? Oh yeah... I heard he flipped a booger at her backstage after that debate too!

So, Obama is in this race to become president because he wants to save America and the world, but Clinton is there just because she 'wants' to be the president. How selfish of her? Also, Mr. Martinez thinks that the rest of the women in the senate are qualified to be senators except Hillary Clinton. I think he has a real problem with her, please just tell us what it is instead of venting out something totally absurd.

Sarah, thanks.

Instead of addressing your question (how Obama could stand up to Russia et al) to us, maybe you should address it to:
Lee Hamilton (co-chair of the 9-11 commission)
Sam Nunn (leading Dem authority on arms issues -- former chair of Armed Services)
Bill Richardson (former Clinton admin Ambassador to UN)
David Boren
John Rockefeller

etc. etc. They know him, they know her, and they've endorsed Obama.