Rove defends Bush agenda

Karl Rove appeared on three Sunday shows for a wide-ranging discussion on his past, the Bush presidency and the political future of the country, days after announcing that he would depart the White House.

Rove made little news in his goodbye interviews, and he confided it was not his decision to go on the shows. "Somebody else made the decision for me," he said, "and I'm just doing what I was instructed to do."

But on NBC's "Meet the Press," CBS's "Face the Nation" and "Fox News Sunday," Rove practiced what he has long preached: sticking doggedly to his message, exuding confidence about the appeal of the Republican Party at every opportunity, and defending his and the president's every decision.

"My critics think all kinds of bad things about me," he said. "I don't really care."

Rove rejected the suggestion that his departure signaled the end of Bush's domestic agenda.

"He is a bold leader who's going to be milking every single moment that he's got in this office," he said. "He knows the leverage that he's got."

And he dismissed the idea that a central element of his strategy has been to mobilize the GOP base - a tactic widely believed to be a key to Bush's 2004 victory.

"I know the opposition talks about playing to the base, and I want them to keep thinking that's the right strategy. But you win elections like this president won in 2000 and 2002 and 2004 by broadening the coalition, by getting more people to register and to vote," he said. "[Y]ou cannot win elections with your people only. You've got to get your share of the independents. You've got to get your share of the other side's party."

Asked about the 2006 election, Rove, who had steadfastly maintained up to Election Day last fall that Republicans would maintain control of Congress, portrayed the GOP loss of both houses as routine.

"The 2006 election was a normal off-year election. If you look at the sweep of American history, the White House party in its second term, off-year election, has lost an average of 28 seats in the House and five seats in the Senate," he said. "We lost 30 in the House and six in the Senate, and it was a very close election."

Rove has said he does not plan to get formally involved in the 2008 presidential race, but that doesn't mean he has no opinions on the race. He predicted, as he has several times previously, that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) would be the Democratic nominee for president, but described her as a damaged candidate.

"She enters the general election campaign with the highest negatives of any candidate in the history of the Gallup poll," he said. "[P]eople have made an opinion about her. It's hard to change opinions once you've been a high-profile person in the public eye, as she has for 16 or 17 years."

Asked whether Republicans, in fact, hoped for Clinton to be the nominee, he said, "It's going to be what it's going to be."

While the Rove interviews were going on, the Democrats were debating in Des Moines, where Clinton responded, "I don't think Karl Rove is going to endorse me, but I find it interesting that he's obsessed with me."

Rove also addressed the Republican field, saying that he doesn't have a favorite among the GOP contenders yet.

"I look at their vision, and I have confidence that they're going to be able to carry this message to the American people," he said.

Rove suggested that Republicans could back a candidate who favors abortion rights, such as former New York mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani.

"People are accepting of candidates who ... may have a slightly different label or may have a slightly different attitude, as long as people respect and understand the essential core of that, which is what do we need to do in order to make abortion less prevalent in America," he said.

Rove was asked about a few uncomfortable topics, including the Valerie Plame leak case in which he testified five times before a grand jury. Rove confirmed that he had learned about Plame's identity as a CIA operative from someone else, but when asked from whom he heard it, he said, "You'll have to wait," citing an ongoing civil suit by Plame.

Rove was also asked by Fox's Chris Wallace about his infamous appearance at the White House Correspondents Dinner earlier this year, when he got on stage to rap and dance as MC Rove.

"I had no choice. I was plucked out of the crowd. If you thought I wanted to do -- I'm Norwegian. I don't dance. That's twitching. ... And so when he came off of that head stage and said, 'We need some more audience participation,' he walked from the left-hand side of the stage all the way over to the right-hand stage ... and came straight down the row at me.

"I went, 'Oh, no,' you know. And then they dragged me up there. I was uncomfortable.

"And I said, 'I've got a choice. I can be irritated and everybody will see it, or I can play along and try and show them I'm a good sport.' So I tried to play along. But it's the most humiliating moment in Washington, bar none."
Words from John McCain

"Face the Nation" also hosted Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), who said history is likely to judge Rove the same way it does the president.

"I think the president's going to be judged on what happens, to a large degree what happens in the war in Iraq," he said. "And if we are able to succeed, which I think we will, then both he and the president, I think history will have a favorable opinion of them."

McCain said his own campaign is in good shape.

"I'm happy where we are," he said. "We are back on town hall meetings, and enthusiasm is there. And we're going to be just fine in my campaign. And every campaign has its ups and downs."

McCain acknowledged that "the immigration issue has caused me some difficulties with our base, because ... we failed to convince the American people that we're serious about securing our borders."

As for his goals going forward, McCain offered an answer Rove would be proud of, "I'm sticking on my message. ... [T]he reason why I'm running is because I'm the most qualified to take on the transcendent issue of the 21st century: radical Islamic extremism."

By Zachary Goldfarb |  August 19, 2007; 2:32 PM ET
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Why do you give these hacks the opportunity to spin? They have done more than enough damage to our country. Why not let them twist in the wind - blow away like the farts they truly are.

Posted by: D.X.M. Fernandez de la Reguera R. | August 19, 2007 3:28 PM

Quote from Carl Rove: "He (Bush) knows the leverage that he's got."

Yea, leverage similar to a wet noodle.

Posted by: janye | August 19, 2007 3:33 PM

Where were the questions about the Wash Post article from this morning? None of the commentators asked Rove about the article because Rove made agreements with them about what they could and could not ask him ask him as a condition of granting the interview. The media didn't realize to what extent they were being manipulated, but I suspect Rove knew.
I think Rove timed all of this ahead of the Post article and what will likely be another bombshell scandal. He knows what is coming which is why he resigned Monday. The Post article breaking this news would be the place to intervene. He would absolutely be aware that the Post was doing a story. Many of the sources the Post interviewed, were associates of Rove. Rove wanted to soften the blow from the impact of the Post's article and frame the story as inconsequential democrat politicizing. Showing up on all those talk shows with no mention of the Post article surely accomplished making it look inconsequential. All Rove talked about was the democrats.
Doesn't speak to well of corporate media. They make deals that tie their hands or they are complicit.
On the other hand, The Post is to be commended for the Rove/Funding article.

Posted by: Kevin Morgan | August 19, 2007 4:02 PM

Rove has a lot of nerve. I'll bet he goes to church every sunday. He is a liar, instigator, leader of all that is against the teachings of Christ, and people eat up that stuff. Shame on the Christians for eating it up for the sake of a political party. I know some personally close people that spout his junk solely because of the hugh salaries they are making through the defense department. Shame of them all.

Posted by: Earl Umfleet Sumner, Ill | August 19, 2007 5:14 PM

Rove abandoned ship. Why does he feel he has room to comment? The best thing he can do is go fcuk himself.

Posted by: Joe in CA | August 19, 2007 5:24 PM

Bush is a dummy and Rove the ventriloquist. He will still move the dummy's mouth from a distance.Le Eminence Grise

Posted by: Jerry Grants Pass Or. | August 19, 2007 5:38 PM

Bush is a dummy and Rove the ventriloquist. He will still move the dummy's mouth from a distance.Le Eminence Grise

Posted by: Jerry Grants Pass Or. | August 19, 2007 5:38 PM

I'm surprised our American "journalists" didn't think to ask who ordered him to go on the talk shows and, more importantly, why? Then again, we don't seem to have any journalists left in America - only useful idiots.

Posted by: DF in FL | August 19, 2007 6:41 PM

How sweetly ironic that delusional has-been John McCain has so much nice to say about delusional has-been Karl Rove.

Posted by: Chris Fox | August 19, 2007 6:53 PM

I think the headline here should be "Rove Lies on National TV". No one asks Rove to back up his claim "She enters the general election campaign with the highest negatives of any candidate in the history of the Gallup poll,", nor did this article point out that that there is no evidence to back up Rove and he knew that he can llie and get away with it, whether it is Tim, Chris or Bob "interviewing" him.
Nothing has changed much since 1944 when Gen. Patton told his troops that the media know as much about the truth as they do fornicating.

Posted by: Ted | August 19, 2007 7:20 PM

rove defends bush agenda - how can anyone defend the indefensible, regardless of that, bush has no agenda, other than feeding the military industrial complex, and holidaying, evil evil evil people, who will rot in hell, if there is one.

Posted by: Terry | August 19, 2007 7:25 PM

Rove uniquely capable of spinning out of both sides of his mouth. He talks about extra-ordinary, historical-bucking precedences by winning the elections on '00,'02 and '04 (BTW, it would have been historical anomaly to elect Kerry; we were constantly reminded that we don't change presidents during war). Then, despite his predictions of holding the house and senate, and the bloodbath the party took, he chalks it up to history. What about the "permanent majority"?? What about his predictions being so egregiously erroneous? No one calls him to task on that!!! It's really sickening to listen to these windbags when everything coming out of their mouths is blatant spin, if not outright lies. So much for restoring "honor and decency" to the Oval Office.

Good RIDDANCE, Karl!

Posted by: chris | August 19, 2007 7:59 PM

Rove left the White House to be in a better position to keep a Republican in it. That bad boy must not be allowed in 2008 to have his way again.

Posted by: jhbyer | August 19, 2007 7:59 PM

I quit watching the Sunday morning talk shows long ago because of the "softball" nature of the questions, the political spin from the commentators and the same Washington insiders talking the same BS. Enough! Why even give them the time of day?

Posted by: chewah | August 19, 2007 8:21 PM

This guy will go down in history as something special. Just look at what he has accomplished. He's been the top enabler and political body guard of the most vile and incompetent president we have ever had. Quite an accomplishment.

Did any of the talk show guys ask him how it wasn't treason for him to reveal the identity of a CIA agent, and what of the Rodent's promise to fire anyone who was involved?

Rove and Bush are both enemies of the people and should be impeached.

Posted by: JohnnyBoy1950 | August 19, 2007 9:16 PM

This guy will go down in history as something special. Just look at what he has accomplished. He's been the top enabler and political body guard of the most vile and incompetent president we have ever had. Quite an accomplishment.

Did any of the talk show guys ask him how it wasn't treason for him to reveal the identity of a CIA agent, and what of the Rodent's promise to fire anyone who was involved?

Rove and Bush are both enemies of the people and should be impeached.

Posted by: JohnnyBoy1950 | August 19, 2007 9:16 PM

If Angels Were to Govern Men, There Would Be No Karl Rove...

Of course, Rove didn't invent hardball politics. He simply pushed the envelope further than his 20th Century Republican predecessors might have thought possible. And most importantly, Rove reveled in his association with what an earlier generation might have deemed beyond the pale.

Rove relished his role as a cherubic bad boy. With each of his successes, he grew giddier. Much like a ten-year-old frying ants with a magnifying glass, Rove seemed to delight in the gruesome nature of his opponents' particular destruction, without either the wit or contrition of the late, archetypal dirty-trickster, Lee Atwater.

Ultimately, Rove was overrated. He was a foil -- the "bad cop" to George W. Bush's "good cop." By goading the press into positioning Rove as a smirking version of "The Dark Lord," Rove successfully deflected attribution of his tactics to his clients - who where, after all, the ultimate "deciders" in each of Rove's political campaigns. Rove, his minions, and his imitators may have run roughshod over our electoral system. Rove may have tainted his profession, that of the paid political consultant, for generations to come. But, it was those who paid for his services who ought to be held accountable. For it is they who have reaped this acrid crop.

In the end, history may reduce Mr. Rove's importance to an asterisk. He was not the architect of the Republicans' Southern Strategy that not only elected Richard Nixon, but forged a complete, and some may deem, permanent, political realignment of the South. Rove did not "strategerize" landslide victories for George W. Bush in either 2000 or 2004 as Ed Rollins did for Ronald Reagan in 1984 or as Bob Teeter and Lee Atwater did for George H.W. Bush in 1988 - under far harsher political climates. No, Rove's lasting mark will likely be the level of toxicity that currently corrodes the political profession - and American politics as a global brand. And, unlike the toxicity of his predecessors, we are deeply concerned that this Rovian toxicity is radioactive, with a half-life destined to last for countless generations.

Can our political culture "re-brand" itself? Yes. But, we must be vigilant in our expectations. We must demand true accountability from our leaders, while carefully filtering out the nonsensical jabs foisted upon us those who seek political advantage through the politics of personal destruction and not the critical engagement of political ideals. Is this overly altruistic? Absolutely. But, our nation was founded by pragmatic visionaries, not cynics. Our Founders understood history and human and political nature with tremendous depth - which is precisely the reason that our power is divided into three distinct branches and further subdivided by the people who hold office within those branches.

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As James Madison writes in The Federalist, Number 51:

But the great security against a gradual concentration of the several powers in the same department, consists in giving to those who administer each department the necessary constitutional means and personal motives to resist encroachments of the others. The provision for defense must in this, as in all other cases, be made commensurate to the danger of attack. Ambition must be made to counteract ambition. The interest of the man must be connected with the constitutional rights of the place. It may be a reflection on human nature, that such devices should be necessary to control the abuses of government. But what is government itself, but the greatest of all reflections on human nature? If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary.

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Perhaps, "If angels were to govern men," they might ensure that those who help to elect them rise to a similar standard of greatness. Honorable leadership is possible. But, first we must be willing to honor the process.

We can only pray that Mr. Rove, and his cynical, kindred spirits across the globe, will simply huff, take their marbles, and go home when they realize that the market for their brand of politics has shriveled in the face of true political debate.

At the very least, a little Lee Atwater-style repentance from Rove and his ilk might take us one step closer to a more idyllic political landscape. Just a hope.

Peter S. Cohl
The Political Brandwagon
http://www.politicalbrandwagon.com

Posted by: Peter S. Cohl | August 19, 2007 10:51 PM

In his Meet The Press interview Rove misstated the truth with almost every sentence. In listing Bush's accomplishments he included many that were failures. Just one was to mention his accomplishment with entitlements. What accomplishment? His intent is to reduce entitlements. He increased entitlements with his costly drug program for Medicare recipients that lined the pockets of the drug companies. We know why he supported that legislation. Nowhere did he make any inroads in solving the financing of entitlements.

Posted by: lClaude | August 19, 2007 11:10 PM

Thank you Karl for all your appearances Sunday and enlightening me as to your support of Mr. Bush and his stalwart policies that have moved this nation to the brink of ruin. I certainly hope that you will continue appearing on these interviews so that in time yours and Mr. Bush's vision for America will become extinct.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2007 5:52 AM

Both Rove and Maliki are seen in the dwindling sunlight to be self deluded creatures, and the public finally knowing enough to discern such. McCain, although the most human of the conservative candidates, is least effective, given the tenor of the rest of the candidates. Seeing Clinton as a 'damaged' candidate is a stretch, a fishing gambit, much like the prediction on the 2006 election. He has lost his touch because we know too much. You can lie in a vacuum, but you cant fart in a crowd. In terms of getting things done, the republicans are misrable failures and excell only at stopping the democrats, who need little guidance in that endeavor. In any event we know rove to be capable of das(turd)ly contrivances, and getting time off to plan them may show hs feet of clay, or not! No one will be as naive as they were for the notable ones of yesteryear, so we have a great show ahead

Posted by: bebeyond49 | August 26, 2007 9:27 PM

Rove claims he "doesn't really care" about what his critics say about him. Classical pomposity from someone who, without regard, consciously laid waste much of what America was all about. His basic error was that he "didn't really care".

Posted by: bovid4585 | September 3, 2007 9:37 AM

Just one quick question for Mr.Karl Rove. Is the modern democracy all about election and no governing? How much time do you spend in manipulating elections? and how much time you spend think for the people of this country? You seem to be very pround of having George Bush elected in 2002 and 2004. Your might not be so proud when history cast the judgement on him in the future.

Posted by: john y. cheng | September 3, 2007 11:51 PM

The Gop is dead as are all the troops Mr Enron has killed

Posted by: southernman | September 4, 2007 3:52 AM

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