Nader Hopes Third Presidential Run Is the Charm
By Zachary A. Goldfarb
Consumer activist Ralph Nader today launched his third bid for the presidency, saying he is not concerned that his candidacy could deny the Democrats the White House in November.
"If the Democrats can't landslide the Republicans this year, they ought to just wrap up, close down, emerge in a different form," Nader said. "You think the American people are going to vote for a pro-war John McCain who almost gives an indication he's the candidate for perpetual war?"
Many Democrats still blame Nader for costing Vice President Al Gore the presidency in 2000, when the race was decided by a razor-thin margin in Florida. Nader ran again in 2004 but had little impact on the race.
Nader announced his candidacy in the same way as he did four years ago, on NBC's "Meet the Press." He said that he was running to draw attention to issues ignored by the major candidates in both parties: corporate crime, worker rights, military spending and foreign policy.
"You take that framework of people feeling locked out, shut out, marginalized and disrespected," he said. "You go from Iraq, to Palestine to Israel, from Enron to Wall Street, from Katrina to the bumbling of the Bush administration, to the complicity of the Democrats in not stopping him on the war, stopping him on the tax cuts."
Nader credited Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.), who leads the Democratic nomination race, with being "the first liberal evangelist in a long time." But Nader said Obama's "better instincts and knowledge have been censored" by the demands of the campaign.
"He's leaned, if anything, toward the pro-corporate side of policy-making," Nader said. The question is, he added, "Do you have the fortitude to stand up against the corporate powers ... and get things done for the American people?" Obama, he said, has also erred on foreign policy. "He was pro-Palestinian when he was in Illinois," Nader said. "Now he's supporting" the Israeli government's policies, he added.
Republican candidate Mike Huckabee, the former Arkansas governor, said he thought Nader's run would help his party.
"I think it always would probably pull votes away from the Democrats, not the Republicans," Huckabee said on CNN's "Late Edition." "So naturally Republicans would welcome his entry into the race and hope that maybe a few more will join in."
But Obama said Saturday that he was not concerned about a Nader bid.
"I think the job of the Democratic Party is to be so compelling that a few percentage [points] of the vote going to another candidate is not going to make any difference," the Illinois senator said.
Surrogates for Obama and Democratic rival Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y) said today that Nader was unlikely to make a difference in the general election.
"I think it's a non-event," said Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano, a supporter of Obama, on CBS's "Face the Nation." "These are primaries and caucuses that have excited the national interest, brought thousands and thousands of new voters in. ... They're not looking for a third party candidate."
New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine, a Clinton supporter, agreed with that sentiment. He added that the real variable is whether New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg will get into the race.
"I think that would have a major impact on the outcome of the race, and I think it's unpredictable which side would hurt the most on that," Corzine said on "Fox News Sunday."
The Democratic surrogates also agreed that Clinton had to win March 4 primaries in Ohio and Texas to stay competitive in the race. They differed, however, on whether momentum was turning in her favor or whether it was continuing to drive Obama, who has won 11 consecutive primaries and caucuses.
"I think it's very challenging for her if she does not win both states," Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine, an Obama supporter, said on Fox. "She's the leader in both states in the polling now, but what we see in the Obama campaign is really strong momentum in both Ohio and Texas."
"Those of us who are supporters of Senator Clinton believe and feel pretty positive about what's going to happen in Ohio and Texas. Our read is that she's doing well. She turns that momentum around if she does well there," Corzine said. "If she doesn't, I think she'll have to review where she stands, and that's what the former president talked about this week."
Former president Bill Clinton told a crowd in Texas last week, "If you don't deliver for her, then I don't think she can be" the nominee.
The campaign surrogates also sparred over a series of Obama fliers sent to voters in Ohio. Clinton charged Saturday that the two mailings -- criticizing her views on health care and trade -- "are straight out of Karl Rove's playbook."
"Shame on you, Barack Obama. It is time you ran a campaign consistent with your messages in public," Clinton said.
Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, a Clinton supporter, said on CBS that "when flyers come out that misrepresent her position on these two fundamental issues, I'm sure she is going to be very passionate about it. And, I think, rightly so."
Napolitano disagreed. "The flyers use her own words. But more than that, it was a sound of frustration to me. These are flyers that are several weeks old," she said. "Why the timing was yesterday is peculiar and perhaps tactical."
A number of the governors who appeared on the Sunday shows are high on pundits' lists of potential vice presidential candidates. None was quick to knock down the idea of being No. 2.
"I have a day job, and I support [Sen. John McCain] because I think he'd be a great president, not because I want to be vice president," Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty said on Fox.
"I mean, any of us have awfully busy day jobs, and add to that we've got four young boys back at the house. So you know, you worry about these kinds of lightning strikes if they come your way, but you don't worry about them until then. I mean, you focus on the job at hand," said South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford, another McCain supporter.
Kaine said of Obama tapping him, "[I]t's nice to be on a list. My mom likes it if I'm on a list. But I do have a very important job at hand, which is governing Virginia, and I want to do everything I can to help Barack win Virginia, and I think I can do that as governor."
It took a senator to knock down the idea completely. When asked if she were interested, Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Tex.) flatly said, "No."
On ABC's "This Week," she added, "I would just remind you that there were a lot of short lists in 2000, during the election, and the person who got the vice presidency was not on any list."
Another Republican senator, Chuck Hagel (Neb.), would not commit to supporting his party's nominee, likely to be McCain.
"[A]t the appropriate time, I'll have something to say about it," he said on CNN.
Hagel once considered running for the presidency himself.
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Posted by: tanaS | February 24, 2008 1:23 PM
A Republican plant couldn't serve the GOP better than Nader with yet another presidential candidacy that tells us more about his ego than his political judgment.
He obviously didn't learn his lesson from his role in 2000, when he was instrumental in getting George W. into the White House.
For more on this:
http://www.reflectivepundit.com/reflectivepundit/2008/02/ralph-nader-han.html
Posted by: BrigN. | February 24, 2008 1:37 PM
This is great. I've been sitting here all campaign wondering who I could vote for in place of the late Harold Stassen, the ultimate perennial candidate. Thanks, Ralph. Maybe by your sixth or seventh candidacy you'll conclude that the voters really are finding a niche in the existing parties.
Posted by: Karl Shipps | February 24, 2008 1:39 PM
This guy is slow out of the gate this time around, but he is definitely unsafe at any speed. Please somebody, make him stop.
Posted by: JMiller | February 24, 2008 1:46 PM
nader is a purely destructive and parasitical force in politics.he ruined the 2000 elections and threw the country into a crisis
Posted by: observer | February 24, 2008 1:47 PM
Ralph Nader, if he had any concern for others, should realize that he is greatly responsible for the last seven years' problems. Had his ego not prompted him to enter the 2000 race, Al Gore would have been in the White House instead of George Bush, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove and their cohorts.
Posted by: nevadaconnie | February 24, 2008 1:47 PM
Is Obama the American Mandela? Obama brings a message of hope and change to a country at the crossroads. It is choice between the past and the future. But is Obama the American Mandela who could inspire Americans to a better future at home? And a future where America takes it rightful place at the global table? Is he the one? The question of whether Obama is the American Mandela is discussed in my blog Angry African on the Loose at http://angryafrican.wordpress.com/2008/02/20/is-obama-the-american-mandela/
Posted by: Angry African | February 24, 2008 1:48 PM
Why is this "news"? Nader did some good things but his incessant run for the Presidency is recognized by nearly everyone as a joke.
"Let's get over it and try to have a diverse, multiple votes, multiple choice ballot like they do in Europe." - Nader on MTP. Well Ralph, if you understood the political climate in Europe you would know why they have mulitple choices for the highest offices in Europe. IT'S BECAUSE THEY HAVE MULTIPLE SERIOUS PARTIES IN THEIR LEGISLATIVE BODIES!!
Why should anyone with half a brain in their head vote for someone for President when he has no party members in the Congress? Just to feed your ego?
Thank you, but no thank you.
Ralph Nader... Unsafe at any age!
Posted by: Tom - SanJose | February 24, 2008 1:48 PM
Ralph, your time has passed. Give it up, its time for the next generation of change. Don't spoil it again for the Democrats.
Posted by: Tom | February 24, 2008 1:49 PM
Hopefully Nader will forget to fasten his seat belt and choke on a hot dog while lunging forward as his Pinto hits a toxic waste truck and explodes.
Posted by: treetopflyer | February 24, 2008 1:50 PM
Maybe he can run with Britney Spear--
she'd surely attract the young set to Ralph's party.
Posted by: Klem | February 24, 2008 1:51 PM
Stupidity is incurable
Posted by: Rolf | February 24, 2008 1:51 PM
At least I have someone to vote "for". However, I strongly believe, and have since turning 18 in 1962, that we should have a "none of the candidates are acceptable to me" lever in the voting booth. I believe we would see many more citizens turning out to vote if they had this choice. People are very tired of voting the "lesser of two evils" way. I have only done that once in my voting life. I had to vote against that despicable little piece of lifeform in 2004. You know, the one that will go down as the very worst in presidential history. Unfortunately, the United States of Arrogance gave him another 4 years to screwup. Ken
Posted by: Ken | February 24, 2008 1:52 PM
After doing this repeatedly, one has to wonder whether Nader's real goal is nothing more than Republican presidents. This is both intentional and egomaniacal.
Posted by: lovinliberty | February 24, 2008 1:57 PM
Gov. Corzine is right. This is a complete "non-event." Nader won't get enough votes to make a difference anywhere. Must be a slow news day.
Posted by: lydgate | February 24, 2008 1:59 PM
Ralph Nader is smarter than any of the other candidates.
Posted by: Brains | February 24, 2008 2:02 PM
People will vote for Nader because the two-party system really sucks. The dems did not change anything about the despicably evil "w"/DICKY regime after winning in '06. The dems and repubs mouth off about their differences but they protect each other. These jerk politicians are in it mainly for the money. Any serious threats from a third party would not sit well with these crooks.
Posted by: Ken | February 24, 2008 2:02 PM
Great. Now we have two guys with messiah complexes in the race.
Posted by: daweeni | February 24, 2008 2:03 PM
Land of the free, home of the brave and all these craven little wimps have their panties in a bunch about a man with principles who wants to talk about some real issues. If any of these namby-pambies were paying attention, it's because these issues have been ignored that the country is so messed up.
Posted by: Awaken | February 24, 2008 2:03 PM
it's sad to see Nader go from an icon for consumers to a spoiler for the nation....he's ruining it again. Is he being paid by the republicans to run?
Posted by: mike | February 24, 2008 2:05 PM
Mr. Nader, I am truly disappointed that you are planning to run for the Presidency again. I think we all acknowledge your right to pursue that office and your dream, but the question here is, are you really bringing anything new and different to the process or to the American people? It seems to me that you and Mr. Alan Keyes are trying to outdo one another.
Posted by: Jett2054 | February 24, 2008 2:06 PM
Nader has no shame. After helping Bush in 2000 he should recognize the basic facts about the American system: he is a spoiler and not a viable third-party force the way he could be in a parliamentary system. Not only does he have a huge ego, he is a political idiot, and those who follow him are bigger idiots. Nader appears really to hate America.
Posted by: scientist1 | February 24, 2008 2:07 PM
Spoil Me? Hell, yes! He gets my vote AGAIN.
Posted by: Robert J. Dickerson | February 24, 2008 2:08 PM
Is this the miracle the GOP has been wishing for?
Posted by: Anonymous | February 24, 2008 2:10 PM
Apparently old Ralph is so enamored of himself that he can't see how foolish he has become. What a shame. Let's hope any potential donors will realize his run this time is just another ego trip and keep their money in the bank.
Posted by: Mike | February 24, 2008 2:10 PM
I guess the speaking fee money was slowing down some. Nader has become a clown who cares less about the American people and more about his own personal fortune and ego. If he really wanted to do something constructive and effective where his opinion would actually matter, why not run for a seat in the House or the Senate?
Posted by: Jimmy Sweet | February 24, 2008 2:13 PM
I am convinced that Ralph Nader is a "secret weapon" used in the election process. After seeing what happened to the Democratic results in the past, the "secret weapon" is the only explanation why an individual like Ralph Nader would become a presidential candidate.
Posted by: Maru Angarita | February 24, 2008 2:14 PM
Actually Nader did not cost Gore the election - Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris did with Florida fiasco by keeping thousands of voters from being able to go to the polls and the Supreme court cost Gore the election by selecting George W. Bush. Gore cost himself the election by conceding in the end. Nader did not spoil the election. The voters and politicians who had control spoiled it. It's a fact that people should research instead of continuing to believe in and spread this myth. It's just not true.
Posted by: Papawhale | February 24, 2008 2:14 PM
If Nader is SOOOOO concerned "corporate crime, worker rights, military spending and foreign policy" then why are you running if only to stroke your run-amok ego. Thanks to Nader we had 8 years of a President who nutures corporate crime, does everything he can to suppress worker's rights, has enlarge military spending to obscene amounts all in the pusuit of his Private Little War. SOOOOO what does Nader want to do - to try to give McCain the edge and ensure these disaterous policies continue for 4 to 8 more years. That's real brillant, Ralphie, real brillant. Just admit it, you're only in for your ego. I used to respect Nader in the 70s but now I wouldn't even vote for him to work in the sewer. Anyone who votes for this complete loser and moron is really voting for 4 more years of Bush!
Posted by: dre7861 | February 24, 2008 2:15 PM
I think his campaign slogan should be
Running with Scissors
Posted by: GeneWells | February 24, 2008 2:18 PM
Fit for President? He can't even spell Barack's name correctly. (check his website)
Posted by: M Hollar | February 24, 2008 2:20 PM
Hey Papawhales,
I know you probably fele guilty for voting for Nader in 2000, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that the 90,000 chuckleheads who voted for Nader in Florida in 2000 could have voted for Gore and gotten a lot closer to their wacky dreams of taking away power from coorporations. No amount of dsicussion from you and fellow Naderites will ever change the subject.
Posted by: GeneWells | February 24, 2008 2:21 PM
It seems that Mr. Nader needs better friends and advisors to help him deal with what appears to be a delusional obsession. It's unfortunate that he has not been able to find a more constructive way to challenge corporate power. One cannot advance a cause or reform party politics simply by running for president.
Posted by: keith_in_seattle | February 24, 2008 2:21 PM
He has my vote, the party system sucks, either you can vote for coke or pepsi, and get the same result: more big government and corruptions. Bring the troops home NOW!
Posted by: steve | February 24, 2008 2:22 PM
The only Democrat that Nader "could" harm as a third candidate this November would be---??? Clinton of course. However, we're reserved that she will NOT be the nominee. Therefore, let him have his final hoorah.
Posted by: LAGC, II | February 24, 2008 2:22 PM
Sorry Mr. Nader, I once was supportive of you, but not any longer. You had a good, relevant rap for decades, one in which I once believed...but in 2008 a vote for you would just be sending a message.
I will vote for Senator Obama because I want to do more than send a message, I want to send Obama to Whitehouse.
Mr. Nader, please reconsider your decision to seek the presidency. By all means stay involved and speak to your and my issues, the environment and the korporatization of Amerika... but find a different forum - drop your candidacy.
At its best your desire to seek the presidency at this time is just a bad idea; and at it's worse...you are coming off as a somewhat bitter old man (like me) who never accomplished that which you thought possible.
It's hard to watch a worthy old solider try to march again. Sort like watching an old ballplayer whose time has passed.
Drop it...
Posted by: Vunderlutz | February 24, 2008 2:23 PM
Can we not get Buffy the Vampire Slayer to pound a wooden stake into this egotistical political vampire?
Posted by: EBM | February 24, 2008 2:24 PM
Poor Ralph. His ego is out of control again. Let us never forget that if he had not run in 2000 GWBush and his gang of criminals would never have gotten into office. Nader did more harm to America by his candidacy then than any candidate in history. He tried again in 2004 and did far less well. You would think he would have learned by now, but some people never do. Americans of all stripes and political points of view need to utterly repudiate Nader and his campaign this time.
Posted by: dsrobins | February 24, 2008 2:24 PM
A lot of people say they respect Nader for what he did in the 1970s without ever getting into the details. I think his Unsafe at any Speed was one, but not the only, impetus toward building bigger, less energy efficient cars.
Posted by: GeneWells | February 24, 2008 2:24 PM
Hey Nader:
You, Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton are the only people who think they can run for President without having even run or won an election for even dog catcher. Go back to your dreamworld.
Posted by: GeneWells | February 24, 2008 2:26 PM
So many slaves to the two-party system here.
There's little real difference between Democrats and Republicans because both move toward the center to get things done.
It's a shame we don't have a viable third (or fourth) party to really shake things up.
Posted by: Danaidh | February 24, 2008 2:26 PM
And another thing :
Ken said: "The dems did not change anything about the despicably evil "w"/DICKY regime after winning in '06."
Uh, the Dems merely took "control" of congress, however this didn't give them the votes to over-ride Republican filibusters in the Senate or a Presidential veto. Just in case you want to pay attention to something more than the usual Republican talking points. Rs love to point at the "do-nothing" Congress which they have effectively tied in knots. Sometimes a standstill represents progress (slight, I will admit, but better than getting rolled every time by the admin.)
There seems to be a real epidemic on the net of people posing as Dems who parrot republican talking points. This shows up in the vitriolic posts from supposed (or maybe real) Obamamaniacs, who by the way are going to hear every charge made by Clinton amplified by a million during the general election.
Posted by: scientist1 | February 24, 2008 2:27 PM
It is most interesting that while Nader feels the Democrats should win in a landslide this time around, or get out of politics, he seems to aknowledge that he can only act as spoiler. He denies this but the reality is evident by his defacto admission he cannot win! I do think that Obama could be more forcefull in expanding on his platform to closer match some of the Nader ideas. That could blunt the impact of the Nader candidacy.
Posted by: Billy Nobels | February 24, 2008 2:31 PM
Follow the money behind the Nader campaign and I'll be it leads to the GOP. Now that it's looking remote for Hillary to win the Dem nomination - and provide an easy target for McCain - the Republicans need to pull votes away from Obama in the general election. But Nader is such "old news" that it's a pretty safe bet that today's announcement will be the most coverage he'll get.
Posted by: Barbara | February 24, 2008 2:31 PM
Gore would have won in 2000 had he carried his home state. He was a poor candidate. Sure, Nader siphoned votes from Gore, but so did a confusing ballot and an army of lawyers secured by Jeb Bush on behalf of his brother's campaign. They were better organized for the events that followed in the evening after the election. Again, Gore was a poor candidate and, in the end, he ran a poor campaign.
Obama is a phenomenally well organized candidate who has run a near flawless campaign.
As the past two weeks have evidenced, the only things that can derail Obama at this point is a bored press with nothing to do (the Michelle Obama "incident"), Clinton once again playing the victim card (and in the process displaying all of the stereotypes of women in power), and the Republicans attempting to make something out of nothing (for example, Congressman Kingston's ludicrous implication on "Real Time with Bill Maher" that Obama is somehow "un-American" for not wearing an American flag lapel pin...when Kingston himself was not wearing one).
I am tired of Swift Boating, I am tired of character assassinations, I am tired of dirty politics. I sincerely hope that Senators Obama and McCain, two men who are worthy of praise and respect, run a clean campaign centered on the issues.
Posted by: P | February 24, 2008 2:31 PM
Nader clearly appeals to a certain albeit small sector of the electorate. As such, he has every right to run for president. No candidate "steals" votes from any other. If a candidate gets a vote, it's because he earned that voter's support while the others didn't. Nader didn't steal anything from Gore. Those voters were not going to vote for Gore because he didn't make a strong enough case for their support.
This race is the Democrats' to lose. If they lose, they'll have no one to blame but themselves.
Posted by: Schmedley | February 24, 2008 2:34 PM
I feel that this time around, Nader will have NO impact on who wins the presidency.
Posted by: Anonymous | February 24, 2008 2:35 PM
Here we go again!
This guy is real pain in the neck.
Every time there is a chance to get things moving in the right direction, there comes Mr 0.5%.
I wonder if the guy is not on a kind of mission: muddy the water when it is starting to get clear.
Disgusting!
Posted by: Bekabo | February 24, 2008 2:38 PM
I have friends who voted for Nader the last two times around and they tell me they are not even listening to him or what he says at all this time, so while I hate seeing him even say he's running for the presidency, I don't get the feeling he will have much of an impact on the Democrats prospects of winning the White House.
Posted by: Lena_61 | February 24, 2008 2:39 PM
Why are the Democrats so afraid of Nader? If they were truly confident in their candidates, then Nader's campaign should be a non-issue to them.
P.S. I'm an independent voter and will likely be voting for Nader this fall. This country desperately needs a viable third party. Do I expect Nader to accomplish that in 2008? No, but we need to start somewhere.
Posted by: Tirade | February 24, 2008 2:40 PM
A Nader candidacy might not be such a joke if he'd spent the past three years politicking across America, trying to establish a constituency.
Or if he'd been an outspoken critic of the Bush administration.
Or if he'd at least tried his hand at a Senate or House race.
But he hasn't. I guess those things involve a high work/rewards ratio. Better just to pop in eight months before the general election, spew egotism from every pore, and make like he's some kind of savior, I guess.
Posted by: castanea | February 24, 2008 2:41 PM
that nader guy is a real hump. keep him away from mu boy barak or i'll bust his f'n kneecap
Posted by: TONY | February 24, 2008 2:42 PM
This is a democracy, people. If Americans screw it up again, they deserve what they get. The man has a right to run. You can't protect people from their own ignorance.
Posted by: Jeff | February 24, 2008 2:42 PM
Of course Ralph Nader won't win, but he might get 1-3% of the vote.
It could be 2000 all over again.
Posted by: Anonymous | February 24, 2008 2:45 PM
What a putz! Hasn't this guy done enough damage the last time? Voting for Nader in 2000 gave the country Bush on a silver platter. You may have agreed with some of Nader's policies and wanted to really really believe in your heart that voting for him might mean something but let's face it, the Nader supporters clinched the Bush presidency. Sorry but the Geens and enviromentalists indirectly contributed to the worse period of destruction to our planet in modern day memory.
If this guy really believed in helping third-party candidacies then he should have been working his butt off over the past 7 years trying to get "run-off" voting in use in many different states. That and only that has to be in place before there can ever be a third-party candidate that won't look like a complete putz and hand the election to the Republicans again.
But of course that isn't really his plan, he just misses the limelight.
What a putz.
Posted by: E Nelson | February 24, 2008 2:46 PM
Fantastic point Castanea. We don't hear a peep from Nader for years, then he just lays himself out there, as if he's SO GREAT we don't need any press from him. Obviously, this man's ego has gotten the better of him. He may in fact be a great consumer advocate.... but how great can he be if he's wasting time with elections?
Posted by: Yonah | February 24, 2008 2:47 PM
Nader....AGAIN????
......
Posted by: RicRoe | February 24, 2008 2:48 PM
Ralph Nader is welcome to my vote, if only to encourage more like him to run. I'm amazed that he has the determination to continue.
Posted by: hj mcmaster | February 24, 2008 2:49 PM
Ralph Nader. President. Thats a laugh.
Posted by: Chabwera44 | February 24, 2008 2:49 PM
Nader provides this country a great service.
He will provide a different voice, and challenge to the three mainstream candidates.
Why are we in the middle of a troop surge? Why aren't we trying to balance the budget? etc.
While Nader may have cost the dems the election in 2000 (remember Gore couldn't carry his home state!), voters chose him over Bush and Gore, that is how American politics works.
Our system is caught in a vice between two parties. So while the more liberal side of the country learned its lesson in 2000 for 2004, and support for Nader plummeted, it doesn't change the fact that the real change candidate is Nader, and we're left picking the lesser of two evils, in terms of real change in Washington, the politics as usual type stuff.
So, my main point is, pay attention to what Nader is saying. He provides the necessary questioning so lacking in this race. Already, he is asking questions that I think have eluded 18 Democratic debates.
He can make Dem candidates stronger. They can refute him where he is wrong, and maybe acknowledge him where he is right, and change.
Posted by: comment | February 24, 2008 2:53 PM
Is this article a submission to "The Onion" ? When did Ralph Nader decide that he is anything other than his own, self-annointed/apponited saviour of the American government ? Hasn't this relic figured out that there really isn't a "mandate" for his anti-reality campaigns ? In fact, no one is interested in this self-agrandizing, narcissistic candidate, whose only win should be for a major reality check !
Posted by: Amazing | February 24, 2008 2:54 PM
Mr. Nader, you are a joke, nothing to do @ home and realize need more money from republican (through campaign money) then decided to run again as spoiler.....give it up and try to run as a small city mayor instead....
Posted by: theone | February 24, 2008 2:55 PM
Ralph Nader's incessant need to place himself in the spotlight has gone beyond the level of comical, it is now just pathetic. Yes, Nader was marginally relevant for a few years, but his ideas are so skewed to the left that he will never gain any real traction, and he will take votes away from democrats (Obama), which is the worst tragedy, as this is a movement that so mirrors his own, by a candidate that once worked for Nader.
scottcasazza.blogspot.com
Posted by: scott casazza | February 24, 2008 2:55 PM
Correction on Ralph "The Spoiler" Nader's political party affiliation:
http://www.internetweekly.org/2008/02/cartoon_nader_and_evil_bert.html
Posted by: Kevin Schmidt, Ojai CA | February 24, 2008 2:55 PM
The fact that Hillary, Barrack, Napolitano(sp) think Nader's candidacy is a non-event shows how out of touch they are. This is America, people. Citizens can run for office outside the usual suspects. Let them. We need third and fourth parties. Don't count Ralph out. He is good for Democracy and will hold the other candidate's feet to the fire. He was not the spoiler in 2000. Bush was.
Posted by: Sharon | February 24, 2008 2:59 PM
Actually this will be at least the fourth time he will have run. Most people forgot he ran in 1996 as well.
Posted by: R. B. Clauson | February 24, 2008 2:59 PM
Ralph Nadar won't stop doing this until he is truly insignificant. Lets all make the silence deafening so we can finally put him out to pasture.
Posted by: Ken | February 24, 2008 2:59 PM
I can't believe Russert let the scumbag into the studio....has Faux News taken over all the media outlets???.....
Posted by: seakeys | February 24, 2008 3:01 PM
Nader will not be a factor in the race. He got 0.3% of the vote last time. He will be lucky to get that many this time. These votes will most likely be concentrated in states that the Democrat is sure to win.
Posted by: Andrew | February 24, 2008 3:02 PM
Ralph Nader is a closet republican. He just likes helping them out under the guise of liberalism. he is responsible for the bush era. What a loser. GO AWAY!!!
Posted by: Brandon | February 24, 2008 3:04 PM
All of you Ralph bashers have apparently never listened to the man. He does not expect to win, but simply get some dialog going on real issues. I voted for him twice, and would love to see him get in. If he is able to stir the pot a bit so that we can possibly see the true face of Hillary and Obama, more power to him.
Posted by: lee | February 24, 2008 3:05 PM
Ralph puts the ego in egomaniac...
Does he get paid directly by the GOP or is funneled to an offshore account?
Posted by: willandjansdad | February 24, 2008 3:07 PM
He has every right to run, Period.
Every vote he gets is a vote the democratic party lost due to decades of center-right corporate friendly policies.
With that being said, I am a big supporter of Obama. I hope and expect him to be the next President.
Posted by: Rich | February 24, 2008 3:07 PM
Could we add a qualification clause to state election laws that require candidates who get less then 1% of the vote in two consecutive general election to produce petitions with valid registered voter signatures totaling at least 5% of the previous general election voter totals? Pat Paulson as a joke once is one thing. Ballots with fifteen Presidential Candidates are ridiculous, and generate problem ballots like the butterfly ballot that helped do in Al Gore in Florida.
You get one shot at inflating your ego by running for President.
The requirement also ought to require that the candidate qualify in enough states to be able to win at least 271 electoral votes. Minority candidates in one or two states do nothing but generate problems for state elections boards in designing ballots.
Posted by: ceflynline@msn.com | February 24, 2008 3:08 PM
You want a third party? Great. You build it from the ground up. Get your people running for school board, register of deeds, town council... Prove your ideas work on a small scale, and that you're willing to take on the boring, unglamourous work of government. Then go small town mayors, state legislators, big city mayors, House members, Senators, governors... Show what your party can do at those levels, actually HELP some people instead of talking about how you WOULD help people if only they'd trust someone with strange ideas and no experience implementing them.
Wait, that would be hard. And it wouldn't result in much news coverage for the first 90% of it.
Oh well.
Posted by: the maple menace | February 24, 2008 3:10 PM
The GOP is not about landslides. Rovian strategy is to achieve a close contest and then peel off a winning sliver through nefarious means.
Thanks for helping that happen Ralph.
Cretinous scum.
Posted by: willandjansdad | February 24, 2008 3:12 PM
i think nader must stimulate his mind by inserting his head into a microwave oven.
Posted by: arthur a allen | February 24, 2008 3:12 PM
The only thing Ralph Nader will spoil is the media's laziness in asking the candidates hard questions. Shame on you who don't welcome a third party into the race. I'd vote for Nader. He's a good man with a noble cause who has spent his life shining a spotlight on corporate corruption. He has always been for "us." The Democrats lost the election, not because of Ralph, but because of THEMSELVES.
Posted by: mellowyellow | February 24, 2008 3:12 PM
The headline is erroneous. This is Nader's fourth run; he ran previously in 1996, 2000, and 2004.
Posted by: Mark Hertzog | February 24, 2008 3:12 PM
The guy truly enjoys making people frustrated and angry. Any people. That makes him feel important. He couldn't care less about who is president. He won't even spend any of his own money on himself to run. He thinks the world owes him. A liar and con in my book.
Posted by: bozo | February 24, 2008 3:14 PM
Has anybody ever checked Nader for Aspergers Syndrome? The symptoms are suggestive - "difficulties in social interaction and ... restricted, stereotyped interests and activities ... one-sided verbosity, restricted prosody and intonation...". He reminds me of those engineering types who are convinced no one else is sufficiently logical or clear - which leads to the formation of their own little self-focused 'personality cult'.
Posted by: Blowing in the Wind | February 24, 2008 3:16 PM
For all those who want to go to the polls and waste a vote for Nader in November, why don't you just stay home and masturbate to Discovery Channel. It will have the same impact on the elections and better yet, you'll leave a lower carbon footprint on the environment. I think he would like that alot- Ins't one of his platforms a greener America?
"Masturbate in '08"
"Go green with Nader the masturbator"
Posted by: Brandon | February 24, 2008 3:19 PM
Here comes the haters and the vitriol from whiny Dimocrats.
Are y'all scared 'cuz somebody like Nader is gonna expose Obama and Hillary for what they really are...Corporate supported and still workin' for the Pentagon! Good Luck hiding that crap now if Nader gets into any debates...but will they LET him debate? It'll be interesting to see how hard they fight that and what dirty tricks the DLC pull on a truth speaker like Ralph just like they did Kucinich!
Posted by: Papawhale | February 24, 2008 3:20 PM
Can't someone, like Ralph's sister Laura, explain to him that he is making a dnagerous fool out of himself?
Posted by: jake page | February 24, 2008 3:22 PM
There are plenty of consumer issues with China's imports that he could be doing something about. Instead the fossil just increases the chances for the GOP to retain the White House. Thanks alot for George W. Ralph.
Posted by: Bruce | February 24, 2008 3:22 PM
Hurray for Nader! I can hear the Dem vote diluting even as I type.
Posted by: waterfrontproperty | February 24, 2008 3:24 PM
...enter the bottom feeders... I wonder if the Republicans are funding this run too...
Posted by: Don | February 24, 2008 3:24 PM
Yikes! With this candidacy, Mr. Nader has reached a low point! What exactly are the "points" Nader is trying to make? Obviously, running for President has not been an effective forum, but the unintended (?) consequence of electing George W. Bush and the turn that has given our history should be enough to make Nader pause. Apparently, it's not. And yes, Gore was a poor campaigner, but that does not change the fact that Nader cost him the election in Florida -- unless you subscribe to the questionable assertion that NONE of Nader's voters would have voted if he wasn't on the ballot. Ludicrous! If there's ANY chance that Nader's candidacy could throw the election to the Republicans again, he should not run. Therefore, he should not run! Drop the holier than thou, face the facts, and do something good for your country, Mr. Nader. Maybe you can earn a Nobel prize or something...
Posted by: Ford1998 | February 24, 2008 3:26 PM
I'm delighted to hear Ralph is running again! I, and all of us, will have somebody to vote FOR - who is for us. He has what it takes to undo the mess this country and the world is currently in, thanks to the destructive and limited two-party system.... THANK YOU, RALPH!!
Posted by: Randi | February 24, 2008 3:28 PM
From the VOA article:
"Well, I think it would always pull votes away from the Democrats, not the Republicans," said Huckabee. "So actually, Republicans would welcome his entry into the race and hope that a few more will join in."
That about sums it up, folks. Of course Ralph Nader has the right to run a political statement campaign, but at what cost? His 3% in 2000 definitely kept Gore out of the White House, whether Gore lost Tennessee or not. Vote-trading was even suggested in 2004 (and threatened with legal action by the Republicans) to enable Nader's supporters to make their political statement without spoiling the election results.
Nader is a savvy citizen, with a lot to say about every issue--a man worthy of respect for his contributions to the American political process. His perennial assault on the Presidency is not one of them. Today's announcement is just sad.
Posted by: Larry | February 24, 2008 3:29 PM
What a jerkoff!
Posted by: Michael1945 | February 24, 2008 3:29 PM
I can vote for Ralph Nader. I can not vote for Obama, Clinton or McCain.
Posted by: althusius | February 24, 2008 3:29 PM
Why am I being shown only two comments? Ken
Posted by: Ken | February 24, 2008 3:29 PM
Ron Paul will even things out, if he decides to run after the Republican nomination process is over...
Ron Paul & Economics - Saving the Economy; Saving America:
http://ronpaul.myfeedportal.com/viewarticle.php?articleid=37
Dr. Paul's impact would be major, similar to that of Ross Perot, thus negating any potentially negative impact Nader would maybe have on the Democrats- at least in theory.
Posted by: davidmwe | February 24, 2008 3:32 PM
Nader in 1992; Nader in 1996; Nader in 2000; Nader in 2004; and now Nader in 2008.
He certainly has a right to run. But who really cares?
Posted by: Anonymous | February 24, 2008 3:33 PM
Screw you, Ralph Nader. Screw you.
Posted by: Oh for Buddha's Sake | February 24, 2008 3:33 PM
Why is it that the only time America hears from Nader in the past 10 years is when he decides to run for President one more time? This man has done ZERO for us except to insure Republicans get in the White House each time. Hasn't he done enoug damage? Why is it he never runs for an local, state or even Congressional or Senate elections?
I certainly hope he's not eligible for public financing. What a waste of money.
NADER HANG IT UP AND GO HOME.
Posted by: capone1 | February 24, 2008 3:34 PM
Is there ANYONE who didn't think this was going to happen? So who's next, Bloomberg...Lou Dobbs? The rules for candidates should be changed so these people can't wait until this close to the end then say "ooh, oh, I want to play...", but I really don't think it'll work this time Ralph.
Posted by: Coool Hand | February 24, 2008 3:34 PM
The whinign from the Democrats is hilarious.
It's certainly not the fault of the 50+ million Americans who voted for Bush TWICE.
It's most definitely not the fault of Gore for running a piss poor campaign in 2000.
And we certainly can't blame the Florida state government for using poorly designed ballots.
That's right, it's entirely Nader's fault that George W. Bush won in 2000 AND 2004.
Posted by: Tirade | February 24, 2008 3:35 PM
Imagine the insane scenario where Nader managed to win the presidential election-- how would he manage to get ANYTHING done without support of the Congress?
If he really meant business he'd organize a party with congressional candidates rather than launching this cult-of-personality presidential bid.
He's a self-absorbed, holier-than-thou fool.
And his website is censoring comments that are critical of his candidacy.
Posted by: Nader is a Fool | February 24, 2008 3:38 PM
Nader is an example of a brilliant man who cannot understand his role in the arena of politics - perhaps his early success using direct confrontation have distorted his judgment......
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/02/24/ralph-nader-is-a-beetle/
Posted by: Ohg Rea Tone | February 24, 2008 3:39 PM
NADER GRAVEL '08
WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Posted by: Give It Up, Loser | February 24, 2008 3:40 PM
It is amazing that people still give money to Ralph Nader for his insatiable desire to show off his witless ego, which is just about the only thing that is still growing in that aging bachelor's life. I suppose there are always a few left in the theatre after a standup comedy act went bust, like the cleanup crew.
Posted by: George P. | February 24, 2008 3:44 PM
Takes money from McCain's backers that they need badly and inoculates Obama on the Left. Of course, the media will pretend otherwise and not treat this as a Right Wing funded and promoted operation. All's fair.
Posted by: Jack | February 24, 2008 3:45 PM
Nader sucks... We had the same issue in France and thanks to these free thinking people we got "mini-Bush" Sarkozy elected. In the same way, one of the greatest victores from Nader is to have defeated Gore and made Bush elected in 2000. Poor stupid guy, except it he gets a lot of money from the GOP....
Posted by: SFJP | February 24, 2008 3:45 PM
Given the fact that he got something like 0.38 percent of the vote in 2004, I think America has listened to what Nader has to say, and rejected it. Everyone seems to understand that except for poor Ralph.
Posted by: castanea | February 24, 2008 3:46 PM
Although, he's refused to concede it, in 2000 Nader was the accidental catalyst of an electoral disaster. This country is still suffering from the consequences of his candidacy. But at least then, he had a new message to deliver.
Eight years later, we've all heard the message. It may have been forgivable to risk our democracy once, but narcissistic to do again when the dangers of his futile conduct are so apparent.
SHAME ON HIM AND HIS DELUDED EXCUSES!! HE DOESN'T HAVE THIS COUNTRY'S BEST INTERESTS AT HEART. HE ONLY WANTS PUBLICITY.
Posted by: mhitchons | February 24, 2008 3:48 PM
I'll support this guy. I hated him for 2000 but this year the way the Dems have treated Hillary after all she has done for the party......Well I'll vote for Nader just in hopes of beating out Obama. The only thing I was concerned about was the Supreme court appointees but screw it. The court is solidly right for the next 30 years anyway so I won't be around that long and besides If the Obamanables were so concerned about all of this stuff where were they in 2004. Why werent these people out pounding the pavement for John Kerrey the way they get it up for Lord Obamanable? WE could have saved thousands of soldiers lives if Kerrey had been elected. Wehre were all these democrats when it really matter?
Screw em I'll vote for Nader.
Posted by: Steve | February 24, 2008 3:48 PM
Is this news worthy? It is difficult to decide whether this guy loves the Repuplicans and Bush or hates the democrats more. He single handedly gave the world 8 years of Bush misrule and as such is as responsible for the consequences : thousands of American and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives. I wonder what he sees when this guy looks at the mirror. Looks like he wants another Repuplican president. I hope his followers if there are any left understands this.
Posted by: shrestbin | February 24, 2008 3:54 PM
Sometimes people would prefer everything to stay "just as it is". It is better for them to go through the motions and rubber stamp what others have decided for us. The question is if we don't address issues of global warming, peak oil, continued wars for resources, healthcare, public education then we aill accept the consequences of ill-advised policies and programs. So Democrats, "smile now, cry later". Republicans, what is it that has been done that makes the future better for your children?
Ralph, I may not vote for you again this time, but please, hang in there and let's make these folks answer the tough questions. Anybody get hit softball questions out of the park, but when is someone going to really do something substantive?
Posted by: Martin Zehr | February 24, 2008 3:57 PM
Democrats need to beat McCain by margins that will write an epitaph for the career of has-been Ralph Nader who is apparently addicted to the TV camera. Sad, he did some very good things for the US in the past, but is also responsible for tipping a crucial election to Bush, and bears some responsibility for the deaths that followed, along with the corporate rule that Bush engineered. How much better to have elected someone like Gore, not pure enough for Ralph, but so much better than war criminal Bush. Shame on you Ralph!
Posted by: denis arvay | February 24, 2008 4:00 PM
Third parties do not win presidential elections. (Protest all you want), you have thrown your vote away. Ask yourself some important questions: 1. How will he handle the war in Irag? 2. How will he handle foriegn policy? 3. How will he handle taxes? 4. How will he deal with the environment? 5. How about Health Care 6. And finally, how will he make changes in WASHINGTON with no support from either political party?
There will be no changes. And you now have helped John McCain...100 years in Irag; Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Iran (Do not forget that statement); continuted tax cuts for the rich and famous and big business; same foreign policy as we have now (No diplomacy). Let us not forget his statement that he hopes Castro dies soon. (Not very Presidential)...
Consider your vote carefully...our country is in need of positive change and change that can be accomplished...A vote for Nadar is a vote for the Republican Party, (Huckabee made that statement today, Sunday, Feb. 24th). Change will not occur with the same policies...
Posted by: nrb2 | February 24, 2008 4:00 PM
From today's "Head of State"
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/02/chronic-naderism-severe-acute.html
Sunday, February 24, 2008
Chronic Naderism, Severe, Acute Exacerbation
I am defining a new disorder: Naderism, the diagnostic criteria for which are listed below:
1) The delusional belief that your heroic intervention is needed by the nation, despite any evidence whatsoever to support it (see also delusions of grandeur, erotomanic delusions, narcissistic personality disorder)
2) The compulsive need to attempt to destroy the very outcome that you claim to seek by your intervention (rule out passive-aggressive personality disorder)
3) Verbal echolalia, i.e., the repeating of statements that bear no connection to reality, e.g. "The country needs me now more than ever", or
4) Feelings of irrelevance, of being left out or isolated, which are compensated for by grandiose claims of relevance and necessity for his actions
5) Unconscious suicidal ideation, manifest in statements indicating suicidal behavior, e.g. "I have been collecting pills", or "I have decided to run for President"
6) Destructive behavior without awareness of the consequences of such behavior, e.g., spending sprees, reckless driving, running for national office.
Use the following codes to indicate the severity of the episode of Naderism:
Mild: Mutters at television during Obama rally: "That should be me"
Moderate: Begins making late night telephone calls asking "Shouldn't I really run for President? The people need me"
Severe: Announces campaign for president.
Note: Patient should be evaluated on presentation for whether he is a danger to self or others.
Cite
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/02/chronic-naderism-severe-acute.html
Posted by: Robert Hewson | February 24, 2008 4:01 PM
This is what pinhead Obama said about Ralph Nader:
"My sense is is that Mr. Nader is somebody who, if you don't listen and adopt all of his policies, thinks you're not substantive. He seems to have a pretty high opinion of his own work. Now -- and by the way, I have to say that, historically, he is a singular figure in American politics and has done as much as just about anybody on behalf of consumers. So in many ways he is a heroic figure and I don't mean to diminish him. But I do think there is a sense now that if somebody is not hewing to the Ralph Nader agenda, then you must be lacking in some way."
I think that Obama is a fool not to embrace the agenda put forth by Ralph Nader who is many times the man and human being he is.
Ralph Nader has accomplished much for the American people.
He has positively impacted all of our lives.
Obama has done nothing for anybody.
What part of Nader's agenda does Obama not agree with?
Let him tell us.
And to folks who blame Nader for Gore's defeat - please think for a moment. Gore was coming out of the most popular presidency in modern times - named Lieberman as his running mate - distanced himself from Clinton - ran a bumbling campaign against an absolute non-entity former drunk and druggie. He lost because he couldn't even win Tennessee.
We are lucky to have Ralph Nader around to remind us of what our ideals are supposed to be. Freedom of expression. Freedom of dissent. Civil liberties. Health care for all guaranteed by the government. Government by and for the people - not the few wealthy corporations who control the democratic and republican parties and their candidates.
Obama is a chump for diminishing Nader.
Obama is a chump. Period.
Posted by: Alain James | February 24, 2008 4:03 PM
I have watched and waited for many years for a Nadar statement on racism and discrimination not only in the United States, but in the world. He sounds only a bit better than Lou Dobbs with his fight for the middle class. What about the discriminatory sentencing laws which have served as a genocidal policy against African Americans? When will the issue of police brutuality be discussed and addressed? Every single day in America an African American or some poor nonwhite is assaulted or murdered by police somewhere in this nation, their rights shamefully abused. We are living today in a police state - but no one has ever addressed these obvious criminal violations of human rights in this country. Democrats and Republicans point their fingers at other countries like Cuba or South America. Frankly, I don't care about a poor performing stock market or the outsourcing of American jobs when hundreds of thousands of African Americans are being wrongfully imprisoned and murdered by the racist arm of the justice department. Can it be that Ralph Nader's only concern is for green-house gases? military coruption? government waste?
I want to see real "concern" about the rapidly deteroriating human rights of millions of non-whites in American society. There can no longer be a separate America for middle-class whites and another America for all others. It is precisely this white arrogance that openly ignores the problem of racism that is at the bottom of this racist quagmire.
I can no longer pretend that I am concerned about the destruction of the Ozone or dramatic climate changes when I see my brothers and sisters are suffering the the over-crowded prisons and jails in this country. Or when healthy strong Black men can't find work because of racist discrimination.
I have voted for Ralph Nader every time he has run for president, but after examining his policies and positions, which are grand-sounding, I realize that he sounds exactly like Hilliary Clinton or Barrack Obama - empty promises that offer no real concrete solutions for the racism which plagues American society.
Obvious it will be a relief to see Bush leave office - and hopefully, this racist war in Iraq will diminish somewhat - but with that exception, I see nothing in the future - including a Ralph Nader run for the white house, that promises real social and economic reform that will end this constant, ever-present, oppressive white racism which has historically been a feature of the American anthem.
White racism is a disease which must be addressed FIRST in order to end the horrific suffering in the USA, African, Iraq and worldwide. Anything less is a joke!
Ralph Nader?!? Right!
Posted by: vsessoms@bellsouth.net | February 24, 2008 4:03 PM
Once, a long while back, I had respect for Mr. Nader and what he did for consumers. This is pure ego, and I am guessing the closet support of RNC or their minions, in an attempt to possible dilute some of the uncommitted/independent vote.
I have to think he will be negligible.... about the same as the perpetual Lyndon Larouch.
Posted by: Rick | February 24, 2008 4:04 PM
The problem with BMO is that he inspires the far-left base of the party, but he is really out of touch with mainstream America. HRC tried to run a more mainstream campaign, which gave BHO his opportunity. Now the Democratic Party is in a bind:
Use the super delegates to nominate HRC, which will disenfranchise the far-left base.
Or
Nominate BHO, and the center will go to John McCain.
It seems like the painful lessons learned by the Democrats with the nomination of George McGovern in 1972 have been lost. For the Democrats to be a competitive party, it really needs the people whose ideology matches Mr. Nader's ideology to leave the Democratic Party.
Posted by: William | February 24, 2008 4:05 PM
So glad that you thought it over and decided, that as the political equivalent of "Freddy" Krueger, you simply feel that you just have to spend somebody's money and have YOUR voice heard again. Some things (and people) in politics just never fade away gracefully; they just keep opening their scars to our imagination. Please promise us that if you don't make it this time Ralph, that you will back (like Freddy) with your same tired rant in 2016 when you're 80, or maybe wait until you're 96, Ralph. Believe in yourself there is still time...
Posted by: Ralph blah blah | February 24, 2008 4:05 PM
this is funny and sums it all up in 2 seconds.
http://johnnydoom.blogspot.com/2008/02/nader-hopes-third-presidential-run.html
Posted by: gfwjq | February 24, 2008 4:08 PM
Will someone please get this clown a decent cross to hang on!
Posted by: Ervin Sowell | February 24, 2008 4:10 PM
I think about the millions of dollars being spent and yet more to be spent - nothing new is being said - it is boring. Does anyone other than me wonder why so few of the American people vote? Give me a good grass roots American that worked for a living - he/she can address the real problems: deminishing fresh water in our rivers, loss of forests by cutting/fires, garbage piles and raw material waste, our momey spent in our country, space station is a big waste and for what, do not rattle our war machine - someday some body will really challenge it hard, tell doctors to find another way to be wealthy than taking it from the sick people (where did medicine start to go in the wrong direction?), OH who cares?
Posted by: jim 2-24-08 | February 24, 2008 4:12 PM
I'm sick of people blaming the 2000 election fiasco on Nadar.
The Dems blamed everybody for loosing 2000 expect themselves.
And for those who want to say "well Al Gore never would have gone into Iraq" all I have to say is...
Where were the democrats when this war started. Fearful for their careers. They only began to oppose it when public popularity of the war weakened. They have NO backbone.
Obama and Clinton are straight line Democrats that will never bring this country the "change" they talk about. Clinton brings another Clinton presidency (what change!) and Obama is running on pure hype.
Washington needs Nadar!
Posted by: Bob | February 24, 2008 4:16 PM
In how many elections now has this selfish old egotistical fossil been a spoiler for the Democrats? I think he is a double agent for Karl Rove.
Posted by: coloradodog | February 24, 2008 4:21 PM
I hope Nader, the miserable little worm, is forced to read all the comments above. Thanks to him, America will have had 8 years of the worst president in history. Now we have to face the prospect of the beginning of 100 years of war because of his enormous, misguided ego? He should be in assisted living somewhere....
Posted by: MTNM1KE | February 24, 2008 4:22 PM
Great news. If only Ross Perot would get the itch to run again.
Posted by: Darden Cavalcade | February 24, 2008 4:23 PM
Republicans have ruined this country and the Democrats aren't too far behind and have emerged as a "do nothing party" that is no more than Republican lite. Nader at least offers the disinfranchised a reason to vote this year. I for one will vote for Ralph Nader and do not fear that my vote will be "for nothing".
Posted by: Richard | February 24, 2008 4:23 PM
A Thank You Note to Ralphie:
Dear Ralphie Boy,
Thank you for giving us the past 7 years. The siphoning of the Florida vote during the 2000 election is the principal and most significant, the pro-active cause of Al Gore's defeat. Good work Ralphie.
Now...also thanking you are the multiple of tens of thousands of dead and maimed Iraqis. In addition the millions of displaced Iraqis are sure to owe you a debt of gratitude. They might live in the refugee camps of Jordan or perhaps in the sewers of Baghdad...but they thank you, Ralphie.
Who else might want to thank you? About a billion dollars a week being spent in Iraq will surely want to that you.
And, hmm, who else...I wonder...wants to thank you? hmm. The American GI should want to thank you too Ralphie. You can fill in those blanks you man without a conscience.
So thanks a lot Ralphie.
Pay him no mind.
Finally,
Posted by: Jato | February 24, 2008 4:23 PM
I have watched and waited for many years for a Nadar statement on racism and discrimination not only in the United States, but in the world. He sounds only a bit better than Lou Dobbs with his fight for the middle class. What about the discriminatory sentencing laws which have served as a genocidal policy against African Americans? When will the issue of police brutuality be discussed and addressed? Every single day in American an African American or some poor, deprived nonwhite is assaulted or murdered by police somewhere in this nation, their human rights abused. We are living today in a police state - but no one has ever addressed these obvious criminal violations of human rights in this country. Frankly, I don't care about a poor performing stock market or failing economy or even the outsourcing of American jobs when hundreds of thousands of African Americans and other nonwhites are being wrongfully imprisoned and murdered by the racist arm of the justice department.
Can it be that Nader is only concern about dramatically changing climate? military coruption? government waste?
Not homelessness, poverty, police brutuality, rampant unemployment, health care?
I want to see real "concern" about the rapidly deteroriating human rights of non-whites in American society. There can no longer be an America for middle-class whites and an America for all others. It is precisely this racist arrogance of neglect that is at the bottom of this political quagmire. I can not pretend that I am concerned with green-house gases, when I see my brothers and sisters suffering from racist imposed prison sentences and languishing in over crowed jails where they are abused and mistreated.
I have voted for Ralph Nader every time he has run for president, but after examining his policies and positions, which are, at best, grandiose, I realize that he sounds exactly like Hilliary Clinton or Barrack Obama - empty promises that offer no real concrete solutions for the racism which plagues American society.
Obvously it will be a relief to see Bush leave office - and hopefully, this racist war in Iraq will diminish somewhat - but with that exception, I see nothing in the future - including a Ralph Nader run for the white house, that promises any real social and economic reform that will end this constant, ever-present, oppressive white racism which has historically been a feature of the American anthem.
White racism is a disease which must be addressed FIRST in order to end the horrific suffering in the USA, Africa, Iraq and worldwide. Anything less is a joke! Ralph Nader? Indeed!
Posted by: vsessoms@bellsouth.net | February 24, 2008 4:24 PM
Tirade
Nader's marginal impact did in fact effect the outcome of the election. Thus, while I agree with all your observations, if Nader hadn't run, things might be a good deal different now. Certainly his cmpaigns have no other lasting impact, and having seen what happened in 2000, he knows he could affect the outcome agian. To what end?
Posted by: Ford1998 | February 24, 2008 4:24 PM
One of the truly saddest happenings in my life has been to see a hero (which is the esteem at which I held Ralph Nader) become not only an embarrassment to most of us, but an agent, most likely unwittingly, of the most extreme elements of the political right. Did Nader cost Gore the win in Florida? Who knows to what extent the Bush/Harris team could have went to take the election without regard to the vote. But, it certainly made it easier for them to do so by keeping the actual vote fairly close.
We have paid very dearly for the opportunity for Mr. Nader to massage his ego over the past 8 years. It angers me that he would not think more of the country than to take any chance at letting this happen again.
That being said, his history over the past 8 years is now well enough understood by an astute voter, that I cannot actually imagine him being a factor in the 08 race. Let's hope not.
Posted by: Waynep | February 24, 2008 4:25 PM
"He lost because he couldn't even win Tennessee."
He lost because Ralphie siphoned off 75,000+ Florida votes.
Posted by: Anonymous | February 24, 2008 4:27 PM
Bush/Cheney is Ralph Nader's gift to America. The blood spilled in iraq is on his hands too!
Posted by: Ervin Sowell | February 24, 2008 4:27 PM
nader's criticisms have always been specific and accurate, and that's gone unnoticed in 8 years of criticizing him. he should make his case, and offer the green votes to the dems in exchange for a senate seat or two; the green party has comprised 5% of the population, with 0% representation in the federal government, for too long.
Posted by: e9999999 | February 24, 2008 4:28 PM
What is one to do when neither party accurately represents her/his views? I will vote for Nader because he actually has a plan to attack corporate power and bring grassroots organizing to the forefront - just where it should be. He may not be able to win the presidency, but it is time we gave some consideration to a party that could represent otherwise politically oppressed people.
For those who are worried about pulling votes away from the democrats, well you should be! Nader does challenge the status quo "progressives" who would just as soon leave people in poverty and maintain the racist and sexist workings of capitalism. Part of a flourishing democracy is the participation of people with diverse views, so why must you insist upon maintaining a two-party system that does not fulfill this role?
Allow for a third party and allow for real CHANGE!
Posted by: revolucionaria | February 24, 2008 4:29 PM
I have watched and waited for many years for a Nadar statement on racism and discrimination not only in the United States, but in the world. You sound only a bit better than Lou Dobbs with his fight for the middle class. What about the discriminatory sentencing laws which have served as a genocidal policy against African Americans? When will the issue of police brutality be discussed and addressed? Every single day in this country an African American or some poor nonwhite is murdered or assaulted by police somewhere in this nation, their civil and human rights abused. You don't hear that on the 6 o'clock news!
We are living today in a police state - but no one has ever addressed these obvious criminal violations of human rights in this country. Frankly, I don't care about a poor, struggling economy or the outsourcing of American jobs when hundreds of thousands of African Americans and other nonwhites are being wrongfully imprisoned and murdered by the racist arm of the justice department. Can it be that Nader's only concern is for green-house gases? Military corruption? Government waste?
I want to see real "concern" about the rapidly deteriorating human rights of non-whites in American society. There can no longer be an America for middle-class whites and an America for all others. It is precisely this arrogance that is at the bottom of this racist political and social quagmire this country faces. I can not pretend that I am concerned with green-house gases, when my brothers and sisters are suffering the over-crowded prisons and jails in this country. I have voted for Ralph Nader every time he has run for president, but after examining his policies and positions, which are grand-sounding, I realize that he sounds exactly like Hilliary Clinton or Barrack Obama - empty promises that offer no real concrete solutions for the racism which plagues American society.
Obvious it will be a relief to see Bush leave office - and hopefully, this racist war in Iraq will end - but with that exception, I see nothing in the future - including a Ralph Nader run for the white house, that promises real social and economic reform that will end this constant, ever-present, oppressive white racism which has historically been a feature of the American anthem. White racism is a disease which must be addressed FIRST in order to end the horrific suffering in the USA, Africa, Iraq and worldwide. Anything less is a joke!
Posted by: vsessoms@bellsouth.net | February 24, 2008 4:33 PM
Dear Ralph,
Thanks for taking care of that car that hasn't been produced since before I was born. Now please, step aside. You're doing far more harm than good.
Posted by: ugh | February 24, 2008 4:35 PM
When will this person come back to reality?
Posted by: sardony | February 24, 2008 4:36 PM
Both Nadir (spelling intentional) and Gore were responsible for Gore's loss in 2000. Nadir did indeed cost Gore thousands of votes, but Gore cost himself millions. After the Democratic convention he was 14 percentage points ahead of Bush in the polls. By election day that had narrowed to the low single digits. In between he had acted smug in the debates and told needless fibs, such as the story of an old woman who could afford medicine for her dog but not for herself (or some such, in any case it was fake and pointless). That, the rolled eyes and exaggerated sighing during the debates, the refusal to listen to subordinates who told him he was blowing it showed Americans three things.
1) Gore had poor impulse control - so let's give him the nuclear "football", right? Not.
2) He refused to admit or learn from his mistakes.
3) He was willing to squander precious political capital on trivialities.
None of these were desirable qualities in a national leader. A slim majority, including me, still believed Bush was worse, but enough were turned off to cost Gore the 12% Nadir didn't siphon off and the election.
Still doesn't change the fact that Nadir didn't help matters.
Posted by: treetopflyer | February 24, 2008 4:38 PM
Again, but that trick never works!!
Posted by: therebel | February 24, 2008 4:43 PM
His name is mud with millions of Dems who won't forgive him for helping put Bush in office. And now he's back? This man's ego knows no bounds. Accepting donations for a campaign you know will all be for naught in the end (and he must know it's an impossibility or he's absolutely delusional) seems almost fraudulent to me.
Posted by: DogBitez | February 24, 2008 4:43 PM
Actually the spoiler argument, other than the fact that it is not valid, because Nader took Republican votes as well, is quite irrelevant. Who cares if the democrats are mad at Ralph Nader for what happened in 2000? They should primarily blame themselves for losing, had Gore shown a willingness to make necessarily changes he would have won by a landslide.
Nader may not have much of a chance (although one never knows what can happen), but it may influence the election in desirable ways. He is likely to weaken Hillary, therefore it could tilt the nomination in favour of Obama. That would be a result already.
And the idea that the playing field is becoming more diverse (Ron Paul, Kucinich, Gravel, possibly Bloomberg) should be welcomed. The way the US is right now, there is no reason to expect it to become a functioning democracy overnight. It will probably take a long struggle, with many Ralph Naders, Ron Pauls, etc. But in the long run there is no other choice.
Posted by: Alphysicist | February 24, 2008 4:45 PM
oh Who care anyway if Nader runs or not? The media decided back in the summer of 07 who would be running and who wouldn't be - Nader is running for one reason only - he's an egomaniac - he's so lousy he makes GW Bush look good.
Posted by: Tess | February 24, 2008 4:46 PM
A 74-year-old man trying to throw the presidential election to a 71-year-old man is symbolic of a rapidly declining America. Wasn't Nader's infamy already assured when his previous candidacy assured us of the Worst president ever? Nader is a curious and ancient slab of damnation.
Posted by: Polonious | February 24, 2008 4:47 PM
vsessoms - Hate to break it to you, but the Iraqis (as all Arabs) are Caucasian. The skin hues go all the way from pasty white to Mediterranean brown. Change the wardrobe and you'd be hard pressed to distinguish them French, Sicilian, Greek or Spanish. The Iraq war is a lot of things, but if it's racist then Bush and Cheney are fighting themselves. Don't believe me - look it up for yourself.
Posted by: treetopflyer | February 24, 2008 4:48 PM
Thank you all for your comments. I have been trying for years to explain to my friends why I refuse to waste my time and dignity participating in the two party charade called US politics. Thanks to you all, now I only have to cut and paste this thread to show that anyone who wants to bring anything new to the table will immediately be screamed down to perpetuate the monopoly of malevolent idiocy pitched by RepublicanDemocrats.
Posted by: rabidgandhi | February 24, 2008 4:50 PM
I'm glad to see Nader announce. He gives me someone to vote for if Hillary should actually win the nomination.
Posted by: Anonymous | February 24, 2008 4:51 PM
Again - Nader is a jackass who gave Bush the White House in 2000. I should say, it was a tag team of Clinton and Nader. If Clinton doesn't do what he did which led to only the second impeachment in history, or if Nader doesn't run, Gore wins easily. Gore wasn't a great candidate but the other two factors absolutely did not have to happen.
Again - Nader thinks the rules don't apply to him and he doesn't need to serve in some lower public office before becoming President. A destructive jackass.
Posted by: GeneWells | February 24, 2008 4:53 PM
OK.Who helped him escape? After the 2000 election I had him put in handcuffs and leg irons, transported to a salt mine 10 miles below the surface of the earth by a squad of Howard Hughes' Mormon security guards. They were told to feed him a High Salt Diet but to keep him gagged when he was not eating. I paid for this with the money that the republicans gave him for running in 2000. In 2004 when the rebublicans could not find him to run again they used a "double". That is why he did not get as many votes as he did in 2000. The double was dumber. The republicans still liked the results because he didn't cost as much. They could keep more of the money that they made and stole off the backs of the middle class.I can't believe that he escaped. He had the same sportcoat on too. I wonder what happened to the other guy that was with him. He said his name was L Ron Hubbard. I guess he'll show up too.
Quick, somebody build a time machine, go back 9 months before Nader was born and take his Mom & Dad out to a movie or a ballgame.
Posted by: oicic | February 24, 2008 4:53 PM
Nader is not a second class citizen as he has accused the Democratic party of treating him as such.
Nader is a kook, and desperate for attention.... this is how he gets his kicks as his legs dangle over the edge of his grave.
He has nothing better to do but seek some sort of limelight to liven up his last days.
This son of a B has done more harm to America and the world than anyone before him.
Stupid idiot.
Posted by: T Sha | February 24, 2008 4:53 PM
last time he ran, it didnt work out well for anyone. thanks alot for that, mr. nader.
Posted by: Mo | February 24, 2008 4:54 PM
Nader is a narcissist. He's running because he wants to see his name in the papers.
God, I'll bet he hates Obama more than Clinton does.
Posted by: catnapping | February 24, 2008 4:56 PM
I hold Nader partly responsible for the 4,000 American lives and the 700,000 Iraqi civilian lives lost in Iraq due to the foreign policy of George Bush, which would never have been realized without Nader's interference in 2000.
Ralph - you too are a murderer, there is blood on your hands.
End this madman's poison NOW!
JULY 19,2004:
(CBS) If politics is war, then a basic rule of battle is emerging around Ralph Nader's campaign: the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
"It appears that the Republicans are supporting Ralph Nader because they know he will take votes away from John Kerry," says Larry Noble, executive director of the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics.
Republicans in Michigan circulated petitions to get Nader on the ballot there after it appeared he would have fallen short of signatures, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Axelrod. They are also working to get him on the ballot in battleground states like Wisconsin, Oregon, Florida and Arizona.
Posted by: Emmanuel Winner | February 24, 2008 4:57 PM
How sad that Ralph Nader has not the intuitive sense of most smart old troopers past their prime to know when it is time to pack it in. Bette Davis and Katherine Hepburn did not get the message either and towards the end of their careers had metamorphosed into pathetic old caricatures of their Glory Day selves refusing to accept the inevitable. Spoiler Nader seems heading in the same direction--a victim of similar overweening narcissism. It is grotesque.
Posted by: pedigrus@comcast.net | February 24, 2008 4:57 PM
can someone just shoot this man.
Posted by: Elliiot | February 24, 2008 4:57 PM
Raplh would be just as good as Barry Hussein Obama. How can any White person vote for a Black Muslim after 9-11. Ralph will take some liberal votes and that is good. I pray to God that Hillary wins the primary for the Dems and gets the gay Black man "Obama" off the stage. He is a snake oil salesman.
Posted by: Joe Jackson | February 24, 2008 4:58 PM
I wish all the candidates in this election, including Ralph Nader, would directly answer questions instead of:
A) answering them in vague terms or
B) dodging the questions and shifting blame back on political opponents or
C) dodging the questions and going on a long-winded response with pointless statistics.
It's sad none of the candidates will do this now or anytime soon.
Posted by: Bobo | February 24, 2008 4:59 PM
How sad that Ralph Nader has not the intuitive sense of most smart old troopers past their prime to know when it is time to pack it in. Bette Davis and Katherine Hepburn did not get the message either and towards the end of their careers had metamorphosed into pathetic old caricatures of their Glory Day selves refusing to accept the inevitable. Spoiler Nader seems heading in the same direction--a victim of similar overweening narcissism. It is grotesque.
Posted by: pedigrus@comcast.net | February 24, 2008 4:59 PM
Ralph Nader Needs Attenttion!!!
Ralph Nager Needs Attention!!!
Ralph Nader Needs Attention!!!
Ralph Nader is like a terribly spoiled child, willing to do ANYTHING - even destructive things - to get attention.
He has a personality disorder the size of a house, and his family really should intervene and get him serious help, because this is all being acted out on a very public stage.
Posted by: Anonymous | February 24, 2008 5:00 PM
Actually, it appears that the particular sample of the American people who are commenting here against Nader really deserve Bush or worse. I guess all nations get the leaders which they deserve in the end. (Personally, I am more worried about the victims of the Iraqi Holocaust, brought about by those leaders.)
Posted by: Alphysicist | February 24, 2008 5:00 PM
It appears that Nader is running to attract attention to various issues he cares about. Why call it a candidacy for President? Because he concludes that, during a presidential election, the media pay more attention to things that are being said by candidates. So, he runs, he speaks, he gets attention to his issues, and hardly anybody votes for him in November, even assuming he succeeds in getting onto the ballot. So who cares? Does anybody care except the chattering classes? I doubt it.
Posted by: Paul | February 24, 2008 5:03 PM
Nader is a damned liar who cares nothing about really helping anyone or doing what it takes to help anyone in the real world.
If there is anything wrong with our government it is because we chose it to be that way and if we want to change it, it is up to us to have the courage to do what it takes.
In the year 2,000, he could have chosen change. To do something. Instead he chose to pose. Before a mirror and patting himself on the back. Worse than any Democrat. He chose the darkest of evil, because the Democrats were not PURE enough and he is doing it again.
If he wants government to serve, than he has to serve. That is how it works. He is no different that any other ayatollah. Self appointed judge.
Posted by: isa fakir | February 24, 2008 5:03 PM
Yet again, we have a non-viable candidate running under a third party ticket, which does NOTHING to support the establishment of a three party system, and possibly, does more damage in its implementation. All we have had under these third party tickets are continuous rich attention seeking nuts that are not viable in an actual election. So, that is the perpetuated image of the third party ticket members (rich crack-pots that need to have an extra 15 minutes of fame as they haven't gotten any attention for a while). Thanks Nader for helping perpetuate the two party system... great job!
Posted by: tommy boy | February 24, 2008 5:04 PM
Just looking for a way to read all the comments. Posting one seems to be the only way. Sorry to take up space. Ken
Posted by: Ken | February 24, 2008 5:05 PM
Nader is a complete egomaniac from the word, "Go". He is not out to help anyone except himself, just as he did four years ago. It is such a pity that a man for whom I had the ultimate respect 20 years ago to have changed into such a small, needy, self-absorbed person!
Ralph Nader, I not only pity you, but now I actively dislike you. You have managed to ruin your reputation and your image in this attention-getting manuver. You remind me of a spoiled two-year-old who always has to have his own way. So very, very sad...
Posted by: Bev Cress | February 24, 2008 5:06 PM
Not very smart Mr. Nader. You say you want to draw attention to corporate crime, worker rights, military spending and foreign policy. You can't win the election and become president. The Democrats are more in tune with your concerns than the Republicans; though not probably as fine tuned as you would like. You can plant those concerns of yours firmly in the hands of the Republicans by diluting any strength against them. Not very smart Mr. Nader - not at all.
Posted by: Don Richardson | February 24, 2008 5:06 PM
Nader again? He's getting to be like a fly in the soup...
Posted by: revlrl | February 24, 2008 5:09 PM
A vote for Nader is a vote for McCain! The world is holding its collective breath to see if the American public can show that it is bright enough to not be duped by divisive fear-mongering this time around. I feel that if the Democrats do not win this Presidency, that things will go very badly for the U.S. and perhaps the world - Our prospects aren't great in any case. But Mr. Nader's decision to run benefits no one except the Republican nominee.
Since Mr. Nader appears to live in his own little universe, let's leave him there and just ignore the little guy. Deny him any audience - please.
Posted by: Christopher Toughill | February 24, 2008 5:12 PM
Take a moment to remove the political amphetamine filled syringe from your left arm. Untie the belt making the veins bulge. Good. Now put this into a larger context - Nader can't win, but his run provides another lens into the candidates positions. It provides journalists reference material to embed the questions that they want, but due to the media/politician symbiotic organizational structure, they can't ask without being disinvited to the dinner table.
Posted by: NYC Skeptic | February 24, 2008 5:13 PM
Dear Ralph:
Please do us all a favor. Take your huge, demented ego and drop dead.
Posted by: We don't need you | February 24, 2008 5:16 PM
Do away with parties. Let the two or three that gets the most votes in the primary win. Then they get to choose the partner.
Then let AMERICA choose who they what.
Personally I think Mr. Nader, will do better than any do those DEMOASSES that are running this time.
Posted by: Roy | February 24, 2008 5:18 PM
Nader is incredibly egotistical and self-centered. All he wants is publicity and to be the center of attention. He is totally irrelevant and the media should treat him that way. His antics in 2000 led to Bush becoming president. Does he really want McCain to become president?
Posted by: Anonymous | February 24, 2008 5:19 PM
Pooh poohing Ralph aint cool. If it reduces to McClain and Clinton they're both as jingoistic as each other. Nader then becomes a natural alternative (and message sender). Granted with Obama Nader could be a lost vote. But Nader's message is more on point than the other three. Corporation hegemony and lobbying power is destroying our system. Ralph to his credit sees it more clearly and the corrosiveness it's causing.
Posted by: sock puppet | February 24, 2008 5:21 PM
The author forgets that Nader ran for President as a Green in 1996. This is his FOURTH bid in a row, not his third.
Posted by: Sandwich Repairman | February 24, 2008 5:24 PM
When I can get beyond my anger, I find Nader's announcement to be saddening. I mean, here is a man who once was a champion of causes that cried for attention. Our country and people owe Nader a real debt of gratitude for what he accomplished in terms of car safety, the environment, etc. To be in the forefront of important causes takes determination, skill, and yes a large ego. However, his narcisism, without which he could never have been effective, is out of control. He may say that "if the Democrats have true attraction " then his candidacy should not pose any threat, but if his memory of the recent past is that poor then that speaks more loudly than any of his rhetoric.
At the end of the day, no matter what happens, it would be a sign of his own humanity if he felt shame.
Posted by: Saddened | February 24, 2008 5:33 PM
Here is an example of pure egotism and blind self-interest. How dare he claim to fight for our interests, when he sacrificed them four years ago. He is like King Lear leaping off the cliff, but without the nobility. A doddering old fool.
I'm saddened to hear the media even reporting this, when they have made a point of ignoring Ron Paul, who actually has some important things to say.
Posted by: Steven Fierberg | February 24, 2008 5:36 PM
While it took several circumstances to get Georgie his White House in 2000, two factors stand out: Nader stayed in a race that he KNEW would be close and he would siphon of some votes from Gore, and SOMEBODY stole the American Reform Party (and $12 Million of the Peoples Money) and gave it to Buchannon, who promptly stopped all campaigning, since he didn't dare draw votes away from George. He did get 17,000+ votes in Florida, most of which he admits were intended for Gore.
I always suspected the RNC of staging Buchannon's candidacy, it hadn't occurred to me to wonder if it also bankrolled Nader.
Posted by: ceflynline@msn.com | February 24, 2008 5:37 PM
Dear Ralph,
When it comes down to having to vote for Obama, I'll forgive you for 2000. That said. Go Hillary!!!!
Posted by: brigittepj | February 24, 2008 5:41 PM
revlrl: Nice dodge of the blasphemy meter. tird also works.
Posted by: ceflynline@msn.com | February 24, 2008 5:41 PM
Yawn.
Spoiler Boy ain't gonna cut it this time. What a puke. Or Ralph. You know what I mean.
Posted by: SteveCo | February 24, 2008 5:42 PM
"There can be no daily democracy without daily citizenship toward 'a new birth of freedom.'" -- Ralph Nader
Sorry, I am one of those delusional optimists that have bought into Mr Obama's rhetoric and if he fails to get the nomination, Ralph Nader will be my default choice.
In order to retain her political viability Mrs Clinton has retreated at every chance she's had to truly make a difference for our country. I wouldn't expect anything different from her as President after all there is 2012.
Posted by: Dwight | February 24, 2008 5:43 PM
How dare someone other than a Republican or Democrat run for President in a DEMOCRACY!
Posted by: Tirade | February 24, 2008 5:46 PM
Not even Nadir's demented, elephantine ego can stem the Obama tide. We want something new. Nadir is the opposite of new. He's stale and fermented in the juices of his exaggerated and distorted self-esteem. Nadir's latest presidential charade is so infinitessimally destructive that it will register only on his delusions.
Posted by: JimS | February 24, 2008 5:47 PM
I'd rather have Gore or Hagel enter
the race. Even Kerry, but not Nader.
We need someone who can get results
and get jobs for people who want to work
and get universal health care established
on day 1 in the white house.
We need to get out of the middle east and
have 100% solar power and stop nuclear reactor useage and production and shut down the coal mines.
We need to stop the flow of illegal immigrants (from all countries) and expel those in America illegally.
We should be building hospitals and not shutting them down. We should be expelling prisioners from America and not building more prisons. We should triple teachers salaries. We should only allow cars that 40 miles per gallon on our roads. A rail system should be installed to replace 18 wheelers to increase the flow of traffic and stop bottlenecks of jack-knifing big rigs.
We need to build solar powered electric bullet trains all over the country.
Which candidate will get results and which candidate will just give us more rhetoric?
We need a military machine 10X larger then the current size. We need conscription for men and women.
Posted by: Blake Southwood | February 24, 2008 5:50 PM
Go Nader. There are still plenty of us that want an ideologically pure candidate who cares about the issues at hand and actually stands up for what he claims to believe in. Obama and Clinton are just more of the same and McCain is spineless.
Watching some Democrats lambast Nader is sad; do you or do you not believe in the democratic process? Some of us are tired of having to chose between dumb and dumber come election time.
Posted by: cd | February 24, 2008 5:50 PM
The ridicule and almost hysterical abuse of Ralph Nader by many posting here conceal a fear of his political presence.
That's why they actively or passively support the illegal and/or brutal methods by which his name has been prevented from appearing on many state ballots; and the illegal and brutal physical removal of him from entering a viewing room at a 2004 presidential debate.
Those who like to console themselves by blaming Nader for their party's loss to the Republicans in 2004 have always turned their faces away from the obvious: the millions of us who wanted him as a candidate to vote for.
We wanted him because he raises issues that other candidates shy away from; he has a firm grasp of foreign policy and domestic concerns: nuclear proliferation, the cause of Islamic hatred of the US, Israel's brutal policies in Palestine, corporate corrupt influence on government policies - and how these things can be dealt with.
Those who'd like to diminish recognition of his influence on all our lives by patting him on the head as a "consumer advocate" willfully overlook the effect he and the organizations he's responsible for have had on political, social, environmental AND consumer matters in the United States.
Those who sneer at Ralph Nader fall far short of his personal courtesy, his integrity, grasp of issues (especially issues avoided by most candidates)and courage.
Pos

Obviously on one cares what this egomanical goof has to say!