As an independent voter, I have watched from afar as Mrs. Clinton distinguished herself as an effective legislator from N.Y. It seems obvious that Senator Hillary Clinton is a politically astute legislator who understands how to fight for her priorities and help to shape voter perceptions on issues she sees as important. She is especially tough when it comes to dealing with those she characterizes as the "right-wing conspiracy" ...including the Republican "machine."

To counteract the Right-wing Machine, Mrs. Clinton and her husband, have built a Clinton Machine... which seems to this independent voter as every bit as hard-nosed and dedicated to beating the "right-wing" as they are to beating her. The Clinton machine can match the Right-wing at every level...hitting back mercilessly when attacked and working the "system" to gain every advantage in what both sides think is a struggle for America.

But, it is not a struggle for America.

They engage in a struggle to win - at all costs.

It is a struggle to crush the other side. Forged in the self-inflicted wounds of the 1990's they fight for survival. Both sides - angry and dug in.

Well, I am tired of this zero-sum approach to national politics.

I'm tired of Tom Delay and Dick Cheney, and yes - I'm very weary of the Clintons.

The real goals of both the Republican and Clinton machines are simply irrelevant to our national purpose. Mean and angry - red states and blue - they split the nation in half along ideological positions and we go absolutely nowhere as a nation in tough times.

To them it is always "payback time."

Furthermore, these ideological warriors are ignorant of our true American national promise ... a people united to make our country healthy, strong and good for our kids. We can be tough on defense and kind to each other - at the same time.

We've just seen what happens when one side suddenly gets into power...the neo-con driven approach to Iraq has failed miserably because the warrior camp under Cheney and Rumsfeld had no thoughts beyond the first step - crushing the enemy. (Now Patreaus is tamping down violence - but for how long - and then what? Just pull out?)

I fear the same will be true if the Clinton Camp returns to power...swept along by the nation's disgust with the Bush administration. The Clinton pendulum will swing too far in its quest to crush the enemy... it will alienate the 50.1% American who voted Republican in the 2004 election.

Left to her own devices, and without her deep-seated anger, Hillary might be a good President -but she will never, ever be left to her own devices...she is part of the machine warfare that practices what might be characterized aptly as the politics of ideological rage.

Furthermore, she thinks that she has to prove to us that she's "tough," so much so that she invents sniper attacks in Bosnia. This is not the first time that she has discarded the truth to make a point.

And, her husband, the former President, seems destined to paly a sort of "Cheney role" in her administration. In thei campaign he's gone over the edge -unrestrained by the limits of his former Office, he is degenerated into a mean spirited "attack" dog for the "machine."

Yes, he's now smiling and bowing and apologizing...but Bill Clinton wants to win - at any cost. And that motivation includes crushing Obama - if he stands in the way.

A Clinton Presidency will just add to the politics of hate and rage that is poisoning our national political dialogue. A Clinton Presidency will merely add to the level of nastiness that have caused many, many elected officials on both sides of the aisle to attempt to distance themselves from the machines.

That's exactly why more folks like me are independents.

In this first decade of the 21st Century, highly partisan politics is not going to help America, either domestically or internationally. We need to disarm the haters - take away their raison d'êtres. We need to get beyond the "conspiracy wars" of the 1990's.

I think that we need to thank the Clintons for their service, let Hillary go back to the Senate where she can craft major legislation, and Mr. Clinton can go back to his private affairs - and stay out of the White House.

With due respect, (and I voted for them - twice) the Clintons are from the past.

We have been looking for a new direction and a new energy. Let's look beyond the Clintons.

Rendell's comments reveal how 'right' and 'left' have happily divided the country so that only an autocrat, ala Bush, and apparently Hillary Clinton, can 'rule' it. What his statement implies is that only someone tough and unwilling to compromise can push through laws and whatever else they might wish, without having to consider the entire mosaic that makes up this country. In other words, the real split is between autocratic government and government of, by, and for the people I had not thought the Democrats would be so forthright about this autocratic strain introduced by 'centrism'.

"[I]t pains me," said Lieberman, the 2000 Democratic presidential nominee.

I think you mean VP nominee

It is obvious that Dems are lining up to drink the Kool-aid. An Obama candidacy will be a political Jonestown for the Democrats, and it has noting to do with Obama being black. He is a political fraud, propelled by the love-sick MSNBC unprofessional news types. When Hillary makes a mistake, she is just plain evil; when you criticize Obama you are considered a racist. Look, even Liberal icon Geraldine Ferraro, of all people, can't escape this madness. She was called a racist herself for her comments about Obama. No Kool-aid for me, thanks.

The Clintonistas are becoming more shrill by the day and now Rendell got this ugly streak about him. I just popped another donation to the Obama campaign -- Fred, I'd soon give the money to Obama's campaign than Hillary. Hillary's campaign will never see a dime from our house (or from the dog house, chicken house, out-house, hen-house, etc.)

The last person to argue about which agenda between the two Democratic candidates is better, is Sen. Kerry. He could not even argue against the swift boaters, despite his being a combat hero. He and Senator Kennedy were rebuked by their own state, because of their preemptive choice of candidate, even as they know that being superdelegates themselves, they should have had withheld their decision until the day of the convention. If they do not know the purpose of their being superdelegates, then who are we to believe that Sen. Kerry knows what he is talking about relative to Obama's health care plan. Are we to say that superdelegates are just spare tires with holes, eh?

These days, it is rather unfortunate for folks to become too emotional on rhetorics and stigma; thus, forgetting about the enormous problems we have in this country and the world. The problems we have require a president with vision, experience, and strong leadership to resolve. The reality is that we only have 3 people left to be chosen as our next president: McCain, Clinton and Obama. Let's try to really understand who has the best qualifications to lead us in the next 4 years.

It is a joke that Kerry would comment on CLinton's negatives and how she would lose in Nov. The guy could n't even go against W on his war hero record. His is a loser, and not in a position to comment on democratic nomination nor Clinton's chances.

I was struck when he started talking about who is best positioned to go against McCain on ABC today. This is the same McCain, who Kerry wanted to make his VP, till McCain turned it down. SO, that was Kerry's judgement. ANd now he is qualified to discuss Clinton, her judgement, and so on? WHat gall.

As for the popular vote, the Obamafascistas are a fraud. They know that if MI and FL vote, Obama will lose in popular vote, so they are desperate to shut those states down. It is difficult to imagine worse scumbags in lfe than these.

Lieberman is correct when he said, "that the Democratic Party changed,"
It is evident from the media bias Obama receives to the attacks by Obama supporters against Hillary supporters. The moderates of the party are being pushed to the curb. If Hillary has the momentum going into the convention than she should be the nominee.

there are rules for a reason -

Hillary Clinton signed the pledge and now wants to change the rules

This tells you all you need to know about the Clintons

The only "rules" they observe are the ones they make

I don't care about what Clinton can get done, she is a liar, cannot be trusted to tell the truth, and would be bad for America.

We need somebody that CAN BE TRUSTED TO TELL THE TRUTH, and her entire history is based on lies and distortions. If you don't believe me look at her so-called 35 years of experience, her health care fiasco, her Bosnia LIES (not misspoke), her Northern Ireland lies, her SCHIPS lies, her Watergate lies, and on and on and on. It is like the toilet paper that gets stuck to the bottom of shoes, her lies go with her wherever she goes, and she cannot get away from them.

If that is not enough, try to figure out why her negatives are at or above 50% across almost all of the polls. She cannot be trusted or believed. She and her husband are adherents of the "lie, cheat, and steal" approach to all they do.

Enough said.

Rendell:
"I think the important thing to understand is who's got the best solutions for the problems, not just unification. That's great, but unification is not going to bring us health care," said Rendell, a supporter of Obama's opponent, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.
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As ex-Governor of Virgina L. Doug Wilder stated recently, Hilary had eight years to construct a health care plan to cover all American's while her husband was the President. He empowered her to do just that. But she failed. So why should we believe that she would be successful now.

In short, that dog has gone out to hunt, but we've now learned that it does not bite. In short, it is worthless.

I am a life-long Democrat, having voted for Hubert Horatio Humphrey in 1968, George McGovern in 1972, and every Democratic Presidential candidate since then. However, I will not vote for Barack Obama for President, based on what I know of him until now.

He doesn't have much a paper-trail/track record, having only been on the national scene for two years. He is running for the Presidency of the United States, an office of overwhelming power in which he will have all of our lives in his hands. He has for 20 years attended a church whose minister, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, has praised the Rev. Louis Farrakhan to the high heavens, notwithstanding Rev. Farrakhan's having viciously denounced Jews and Judaism on many occasions. This has been without any significant protest on Sen. Obama's part of which I am aware, Sen. Obama's allegations to the contrary notwithstanding; after all, he has remained a member there, and accepted awards and dinners from Rev. Wright, a supporter of a man who could be termed the Afro-American equivalent of Adolf Hitler.

I am very well aware that there is white racism in many places in America, and that other preachers have from time to time preached in this fashion. I respectfully submit that these factors are irrelevant in this specific context. We are talking about the qualifications of one man, Senator Barack Obama, for an extremely powerful position, and his relationship with one minister, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, and what that relationship implies for those qualifications.

We have here more than a generic "guilt by association." We have a close and intimate relationship over twenty years between, on the one hand, a minister who greatly respects Rev. Farrakhan, and, on the other hand, a man who would be President, the most powerful political figure in America. I feel that I am justified in regarding Senator Obama as a huge security risk for Jews.

I am an Orthodox Jew. I am not Hasidic, but I live in an area with many Hasidim, some of whom are my friends. Their relationship with their "Rebbeim" (the leaders of Hasidic groups) is analogous to that of Senator Obama with Rev. Wright. They all listen very closely to, and take very, very seriously, what their Rebbeim say. They are far from being robots, but anything a Rebbe says is treated with the greatest of respect and deference.

Again: Senator Obama has been in a close relationship with Rev. Wright for over 20 years. I hope that you will understand why I am apprehensive concerning which of his minister's teachings have most influenced him. Especially given Israel's precarious situation and its dependence on the USA, I feel that I must be very concerned about his history. With respect, I submit that this goes far beyond "guilt by association," both with regard to the closeness between this teacher and this disciple, and our (Jews') vulnerability.

I am a Democrat. However, if he is nominated by the Democratic Party for the Presidency, I will not vote for him. My reasons are given above

Would you ever ask a skirunner who is close to the frontrunner leave the race?! Never!

What a monumental mistake would it not be if the right of the citizens in Michigan and Florida to make their voice heard was thwarted. What power would the new president (if democratic) have to act on behalf of the people? I suppose that legetimacy is the very foundation of a President in your country?

Whenever Obama supporters talk about how "honest" he is, it makes me want to throw up.

Can't you guys and gals see that Barry's playing you for total fools?

Barry Obama's the biggest con-man in the history of politics.

Obama's guaranteed to lose the national electon.

It would be nuts for Democrats to nominate him, regardless of what the current vote totals are.

The more we find out about Obama, the more we find that his "accomplishments" aren't his at all, but that he was given credit for the work done by others to make him look far more impressive than he actually is.

Obama is like a "Potemkin Village"

He looks good on the surface, but there's nothing behind it.

He's spent his entire political career running for office, and strong-arming people into putting his name on bills he never even did any work on.

The WP says so themselves in their recent article.

The NYT says "big image, little results"

All this will come out before the general election.

As will the truth about how his negligence led to people who voted for him freezing in slums in his district that Rezko, and in the rest of Chicago, that Rezko got $100M to repair, but never touched.

He can't win the general election.

But he can cause Democrats to lose it.

Everyone interested in the Presidential election should read the article that there's a link to at the bottom of this message.

Its from a Chicago reporter who's known Obama since the beginning of his career and has followed Obama's career ever since then.

The take-home message is that Obama is a total fraud, a manufactured product of the chicago politicial machine.

It tells about him stealing credit for bills he never worked when he was in Chicago, just like he did in Washington.

It talks about "Obama's Slums" and fact that Barry didn't care one bit about the people who elected him.

Its about the fact that Chicago Barry Obama is the one of the most clever con-men in the world and the biggest fraud that's been put over on the American public since Bush.

Its filled with facts about Obama from someone who has known him for years.

The title's cute. Obama isn't. He's a fraud.

There is a saying an old enemy with known faults is better than a new one.

In this case the Clintons is well known in and out all dirty laundry, blue dress and all, cigars, what have you.

Obama I guarantee you is not pure angel, he has 17 virgins waiting for him in heaven.

Here's the link.

news.houstonpress.com/2008-02-28/news/barack-obama-screamed-at-me/

Let me point out the obvious:

John Kerry
Ted Kennedy
Christopher Dodd
Bill Richardson

Any advice on how to win the presidency
from any of the above is laughable.

Talk about high negatives, 2 of the above came in after 'none of the above'

Kerry was and is a vain dillatante and needs to leave the senate and take Kennedy with him.

Ar least Clinton would have answered the swift boat attack because she is running to represent the country not herself.
The swift boat attack wounded Kerry's vanity and that was the end of his interest in tteh presidency.

And it is vanity that is driving Kerry and Kennedy to seek out Obama and push him forward over the interests of the country and its people. enough.

RENDELL IS WELL SPOKEN, HILLARY IS HANDS DOWN ARE BEST CHOISE, OUR COUNTRY IS IN A MESS,AND NEEDS A PRESIDENT THAT CAN AND HAS PROVEN TO LOVE HER COUNTRY AND HELP THE PEOPLE.WE ARE IN AN ECONOMY THAT NEEDS EXPERIENCE,SHE'S SMART ,TOUGH, CARING AND RESILIANT.GOD HELP HILLARY,HELP THE PEOPLE.

svreader, your girl got caught (finally) lying on videotape. All she can say is "I misspoke. I'm human and sleep-deprived." That is enough reason for me not to have her answering the phone at the White House at 3AM. And God willing, she won't.

Governor Rendell is quite right on his comments and I look forward to the debates forthcoming that will show clearly that Hillary is the best candidate to deal with all of our problems here and internationally. If she, with our help, can surpass the vitriol manufactured by the media and Obama followers, she will suceed in winning this nomination.

Obama DOES NOT have the record behind him nor the true grit and character required for an effective leader. And frankly he has made a tremendous mistake in jumping the gun to compete for this position with so little to account for. Obama still needs to prove to this country with his own efforts and seasoned record that he has the merits. He needs to go back to the Senate and establish a record by his deeds.

Neither Kerry nor Richardson are in a position to be credible with any arguments. Kerry led us on a merry dance and obscured the truth about his real record during the Vietnam era. He could not argue this. Richardson does not have credibility with a great majority of Hispanics after giving his word to support his state vote and then conveniently changing it as an opportunist looking to get something out of this election.

So, Governor Rendell, continue your efforts in Pennsylvania as you are a man of your word and I respect you.

Rendell is starting to sound korny.

If Obama is the Democratic Nominee, I will vote for McCain or not vote at all.
Anyone who can say that Barack Obama is the "unifier" for America is wrong.
I cannot believe the hate for the Clintons is so bad that you would allow Barack Obama the cakewalk into our White House with the likes of Louis Farrakhan, Jeremiah Wright,William Ayers and other Palestian/Iranian affiliations.

The only unity Obama has in mind is "Socialism".

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU INTELLIGENT PEOPLE-
OBAMA IS A CON.

Here are some other good links.

The first one is about how he got elected in Chicago by forcing everyone else off the ballot.

www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070403obama-ballot,1,57567.story

This is about his attacks. So much for his "new kind of politics"

www.attacktimeline.com/

Do his supporters know he actively worked against the impeachment of Bush?

Yup, its true.

www.beyondchron.org/articles/The_Obama_Craze_Count_Me_Out_5413.html

I still don't get the folks talking about the rights of the voters in MI and FL being "thwarted." Their votes were invalidated by the legislatures which changed the primary dates in violation of the party rules. It is as though the legislature marked up each and every ballot cast with the word VOID. It has nothing to do with either candidate. The greedy legislatures decided to break the rules- and the sanction is clear-- the votes don't count. Period. End of story. What am I missing here?

svreader, I'll send Obama a donation in your honor, since you are blind to who is the better candidate. Please don't thank me; it's my pleasure!

I think the television and literary journalists/pundits/analysts and folks alike need to get off this idea that Obama has "had an easy road" from the media. At no time has this guy received "the dusting off of the shoulders and told to go play again" from all these folks who's used this double standard to his ability as the presidency. Hillary has been "around the block" and has had much in her past to allow for folks to pick her apart. She, MUST have realized this in the past. all the while sharpening up her tools to one day run for the presidency herself. However, its one thing to make a mistake in a speech, but a TOTALLY another when you blatantly fabricate/lie on a foreign trip while you were 1st Lady to bolster your argument of experience. Then, when the covers are pulled back to reveal the truth, throw a "smoke bomb" (Rev Wright) in order to escape the madness for which you created in the 1st place. She makes it extremely hard for anyone to totally "fall in love" with the idea of fair politics when everytime she's hit hard(even by her own mistakes) she wants to use the "pity card". Why should we, isn't SHE the candidate who thinks that she is "the toughest?"

Great post GandalftheGrey, well written. Now the REAL culprit who's gotten an easy pass from the media is John McCain. yeah, the guy who can't remember what side is who in the Iraq war...and he's our supposed foreign policy expert out of the 3 ????? We are in TROUBLE if that is the case!

Obama lied about Rev Wright over and ovver and over.

He lied about knowing what Rev Wright was preaching for 20 years.

Here are just a few more of his lies.

Obama supporters don't have a clue who Barry Obama really is.

From DD --

Just Embellished Words: Senator Obama's Record of Exaggerations & Misstatements

Once again, the Obama campaign is getting caught saying one thing while doing another. They are personally attacking Hillary even though Sen. Obama has been found mispeaking and embellishing facts about himself more than ten times in recent months. Senator Obama's campaign is based on words -not a record of deeds - and if those words aren't backed up by facts, there's not much else left.

"Senator Obama has called himself a constitutional professor, claimed credit for passing legislation that never left committee, and apparently inflated his role as a community organizer among other issues. When it comes to his record, just words won't do. Senator Obama will have to use facts as well," Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said.

Sen. Obama consistently and falsely claims that he was a law professor. The Sun-Times reported that, "Several direct-mail pieces issued for Obama's primary [Senate] campaign said he was a law professor at the University of Chicago. He is not. He is a senior lecturer (now on leave) at the school. In academia, there is a vast difference between the two titles. Details matter." In academia, there's a significant difference: professors have tenure while lecturers do not. [Hotline Blog, 4/9/07; Chicago Sun-Times, 8/8/04]

Obama claimed credit for nuclear leak legislation that never passed. "Obama scolded Exelon and federal regulators for inaction and introduced a bill to require all plant owners to notify state and local authorities immediately of even small leaks. He has boasted of it on the campaign trail, telling a crowd in Iowa in December that it was 'the only nuclear legislation that I've passed.' 'I just did that last year,' he said, to murmurs of approval. A close look at the path his legislation took tells a very different story. While he initially fought to advance his bill, even holding up a presidential nomination to try to force a hearing on it, Mr. Obama eventually rewrote it to reflect changes sought by Senate Republicans, Exelon and nuclear regulators. The new bill removed language mandating prompt reporting and simply offered guidance to regulators, whom it charged with addressing the issue of unreported leaks. Those revisions propelled the bill through a crucial committee. But, contrary to Mr. Obama's comments in Iowa, it ultimately died amid parliamentary wrangling in the full Senate." [New York Times, 2/2/08]

Obama misspoke about his being conceived because of Selma. "Mr. Obama relayed a story of how his Kenyan father and his Kansan mother fell in love because of the tumult of Selma, but he was born in 1961, four years before the confrontation at Selma took place. When asked later, Mr. Obama clarified himself, saying: 'I meant the whole civil rights movement.'" [New York Times, 3/5/07]

LA Times: Fellow organizers say Sen. Obama took too much credit for his community organizing efforts. "As the 24-year-old mentor to public housing residents, Obama says he initiated and led efforts that thrust Altgeld's asbestos problem into the headlines, pushing city officials to call hearings and a reluctant housing authority to start a cleanup. But others tell the story much differently. They say Obama did not play the singular role in the asbestos episode that he portrays in the best-selling memoir 'Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance.' Credit for pushing officials to deal with the cancer-causing substance, according to interviews and news accounts from that period, also goes to a well-known preexisting group at Altgeld Gardens and to a local newspaper called the Chicago Reporter. Obama does not mention either one in his book." [Los Angeles Times, 2/19/07]

Chicago Tribune: Obama's assertion that nobody had indications Rezko was engaging in wrongdoing 'strains credulity.' "...Obama has been too self-exculpatory. His assertion in network TV interviews last week that nobody had indications Rezko was engaging in wrongdoing strains credulity: Tribune stories linked Rezko to questionable fundraising for Gov. Rod Blagojevich in 2004 -- more than a year before the adjacent home and property purchases by the Obamas and the Rezkos." [Chicago Tribune editorial, 1/27/08]

Obama was forced to revise his assertion that lobbyists 'won't work in my White House.' "White House hopeful Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) was forced to revise a critical stump line of his on Saturday -- a flat declaration that lobbyists 'won't work in my White House' after it turned out his own written plan says they could, with some restrictions... After being challenged on the accuracy of what he has been saying -- in contrast to his written pledge -- at a news conference Saturday in Waterloo, Obama immediately softened what had been his hard line in his next stump speech." [Chicago Sun-Times, 12/16/07]

FactCheck.org: 'Selective, embellished and out-of-context quotes from newspapers pump up Obama's health plan.' "Obama's ad touting his health care plan quotes phrases from newspaper articles and an editorial, but makes them sound more laudatory and authoritative than they actually are. It attributes to The Washington Post a line saying Obama's plan would save families about $2,500. But the Post was citing the estimate of the Obama campaign and didn't analyze the purported savings independently. It claims that "experts" say Obama's plan is "the best." "Experts" turn out to be editorial writers at the Iowa City Press-Citizen - who, for all their talents, aren't actual experts in the field. It quotes yet another newspaper saying Obama's plan "guarantees coverage for all Americans," neglecting to mention that, as the article makes clear, it's only Clinton's and Edwards' plans that would require coverage for everyone, while Obama's would allow individuals to buy in if they wanted to." [FactCheck.org, 1/3/08]

Sen. Obama said 'I passed a law that put Illinois on a path to universal coverage,' but Obama health care legislation merely set up a task force. "As a state senator, I brought Republicans and Democrats together to pass legislation insuring 20,000 more children. And 65,000 more adults received health care...And I passed a law that put Illinois on a path to universal coverage." The State Journal-Register reported in 2004 that "The [Illinois State] Senate squeaked out a controversial bill along party lines Wednesday to create a task force to study health-care reform in Illinois. [...] In its original form, the bill required the state to offer universal health care by 2007. That put a 'cloud' over the legislation, said Sen. Dale Righter, R-Mattoon. Under the latest version, the 29-member task force would hold at least five public hearings next year." [Obama Health Care speech, 5/29/07; State Journal-Register, 5/20/04]

ABC News: 'Obama...seemed to exaggerate the legislative progress he made' on ethics reform. "ABC News' Teddy Davis Reports: During Monday's Democratic presidential debate, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., seemed to exaggerate the legislative progress he has made on disclosure of "bundlers," those individuals who aggregate their influence with the candidate they support by collecting $2,300 checks from a wide network of wealthy friends and associates. When former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel alleged that Obama had 134 bundlers, Obama responded by telling Gravel that the reason he knows how many bundlers he has raising money for him is "because I helped push through a law this past session to disclose that." Earlier this year, Obama sponsored an amendment [sic] in the Senate requiring lobbyists to disclose the candidates for whom they bundle. Obama's amendment would not, however, require candidates to release the names of their bundlers. What's more, although Obama's amendment was agreed to in the Senate by unanimous consent, the measure never became law as Obama seemed to suggest. Gravel and the rest of the public know how many bundlers Obama has not because of a 'law' that the Illinois Democrat has 'pushed through' but because Obama voluntarily discloses that information." [ABC News, 7/23/07]

Obama drastically overstated Kansas tornado deaths during campaign appearance. "When Sen. Barack Obama exaggerated the death toll of the tornado in Greensburg, Kan, during his visit to Richmond yesterday, The Associated Press headline rapidly evolved from 'Obama visits former Confederate capital for fundraiser' to `Obama rips Bush on Iraq war at Richmond fundraiser' to 'Weary Obama criticizes Bush on Iraq, drastically overstates Kansas tornado death toll' to 'Obama drastically overstates Kansas tornado deaths during campaign appearance.' Drudge made it a banner, ensuring no reporter would miss it." [politico.com, 5/9/07]

You know,after thinking about it I want John Kerry to continue talking and talking. He will certainly make the job easier for Hillary because his talks always backfire. Nothing like resuscitating his FIASCO with the Vietnam veterans. It will certainly agitate quite a few!!!!

So, come to the front Mr. Kerry !!!!!!!!!

Rendell is a toady and an idiot who will say anything to appease his Clinton overlords. A butt-kiss by any other name.

Drop out, Hillary. For the good of the party. While we still have a chance to take back the White House.

meld ---

Before you send any more of your, or your parent's, hard earned money to Barry Obama --

How can you, how can anyone, support Barry knowing that he let the poorest of the poor who elected him in Chicago freeze in slums in his district his friend and campaign contributor Rezok got $100M to repair or replace?

Obama knew, but he did nothing.

That says everything about just how cold a guy Barry Obama really is.

Please Watch this report on Obama, Obama's slums, Rezko, and $100M of wasted taxpayer money, from NBC Channel 5 news, Chicago's most respected TV news program.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHsHM0laT8&feature=related

How do you explain away the fact that Barry Obama never followed up on the 11 slums that his friend Rezko was supposed to repair in Obama's district in Chicago, and continued to do nothing about the 40 slums that Rezko was supposed to repair or replace in Chicago, even after Obama joined the US Senate?

From the Chicago Sun Times:

For more than five weeks during the brutal winter of 1997, tenants shivered without heat in a government-subsidized apartment building on Chicago's South Side.

It was just four years after the landlords -- Antoin "Tony'' Rezko and his partner Daniel Mahru -- had rehabbed the 31-unit building in Englewood with a loan from Chicago taxpayers.

Rezko and Mahru couldn't find money to get the heat back on.

But their company, Rezmar Corp., did come up with $1,000 to give to the political campaign fund of Barack Obama, the newly elected state senator whose district included the unheated building....

The building in Englewood was one of 30 Rezmar rehabbed in a series of troubled deals largely financed by taxpayers. Every project ran into financial difficulty. More than half went into foreclosure, a Chicago Sun-Times investigation has found.

"Their buildings were falling apart,'' said a former city official. "They just didn't pay attention to the condition of these buildings.''

Eleven of Rezko's buildings were in Obama's state Senate district....

Rezko and Mahru had no construction experience when they created Rezmar in 1989 to rehabilitate apartments for the poor under the Daley administration. Between 1989 and 1998, Rezmar made deals to rehab 30 buildings, a total of 1,025 apartments. The last 15 buildings involved Davis Miner Barnhill & Galland during Obama's time with the firm.

Rezko and Mahru also managed the buildings, which were supposed to provide homes for poor people for 30 years. Every one of the projects ran into trouble:

* Seventeen buildings -- many beset with code violations, including a lack of heat -- ended up in foreclosure.

* Six buildings are currently boarded up.

* Hundreds of the apartments are vacant, in need of major repairs.

* Taxpayers have been stuck with millions in unpaid loans.

* At least a dozen times, the city of Chicago sued Rezmar for failure to heat buildings.

As a past chairman of the Democratic Party, don't you just love Rendell's argument that Dean should cave in to the two spoiled brat states that tried to emasculate him now that they see that subverting the rules and regulations of the Party got them squat. They made their beds - now let them lie in them. Why even have rules and regulations if maverick states discount them to serve their own agendas. And, by the way, can it be that Rendell expects to be rewarded for his Clintonesque preference in exchange for her VP choice (in the event that she prevails in the Democratic primaries?) Ah! The transparency of it all.

Clintons=Well Dressed Thugs!

Yeah, Rendell is so obviously thrilled to be noticed on a national level he'll roll out the most incendiary comments just to get print. His support of the Clintons is so obsequious he makes Waylan Smithers look like a stand-up guy.

I also have noticed the tone and characterization of Pennsylvania to be that of a racist state, and the applause of Ed Rendell to keep pushing that in our minds is, well, not really to his advantage. He'll find out when he has to run for office next time...so long to the majority of Philly and Pittsburg voters.

Hmmmm, come to think of it, has Hillary released her tax returns or the contribrutions/donars list to the Clinton Library yet????? I don't think so.

Talk about a CON artist...

svreader, DONE! You'll write and thank me later!! Remember, you sent a donation to McCain in my honor; I'm just returning the favor!

Since the endorsement from Robert Casey
and the support of these Catholic senators: Kennedy, Kerry, Leahy,
Casey, Dodd, Richardson and others:

I would now like to know Obama's position on Birth Control. Does he favor making it widely available to all women of child bearing age, in this country and abroad, and at a low or no cost. As European countries have shown, it is an effective alternative to abortion. I would also like to know if obama supports abortion.

My guess is the catholic church does not want to support a woman who favors birth control accessibility ( and abortion) and they fished around for someone. Guess who the catholics came up with?? Obama.

there is only one argument to use against obama and that is him belonging to an organizationwhich teaches black liberation theology and teaching his kids to believe in the same and there is NO case to be made for it. also,look at the house wright is buying for himself using church funds. what a hipocrit

Governor Rendell misses the point. How can Hillary pass legislation when she's despised by most legislators?

Hillary's popularity rating is sinking to George W Bush territory. Barack Obama will have more success with his approach.

Imagine our foreign policy will once again achieve respect and cooperation from the entire world. That's reason enough to elect Barack Obama.

The same tactics that were used to get Obama elected in Chicago have been used to have him win through the CAUCUS process in the various states including Texas. And explain to me how can Hillary win the popular vote in Texas by a landslide and then lose the Caucus? Why don't you investigate about the manipulation, coercion that is utilized by the professionals hired by Obama to disenfranchise voters? This certainly warrants an investigation and expose. It looks like this process is in the road to be challenged in Court and these news the media will not report!!!

obama belongs to a racist church,no getting around it.

Listen to what black americans are saying.They think Obama is the answer to all their problems.In many ways they may be right...but at what cost?The wink and nod when he speaks.Listen very closely to what he says. A black women An Obama supporter told me its their turn and that white people will get a taste of their own mediine. See how they like that she said..we have been waiting a long time for this.

meld --

This isn't a game.

The guy you push is a total fraud who doesn't care about anybody but himself.

He let the people who gave him his start freeze.

Your comment proves you're just as cold as Barry is.

You two deserve each other.

I think those of you who are accusing Senator Hillary for being a liar are the ones who are lying about her. At least we know who she is and wht she stands for for many years. As for Obama, many do not really know who this guy is and what he actually stands for. He is going around the country making all the promises that eveybody knows he is not going to keep. This is the kind of man his supporters are making all kinds of nasty comments about Hillary Clinton for. Obama supporters, be careful what you wishing for.

The Obama campaign is trying a new tact.

" Hillary has all the right to continue the race but she has no chance to win"

This a lot of bull. The Obama people are in a rush to railroad the nomination of their dog who cannot close out the nomination process when he has got the chance and now whines that he is being destroyed by Hillary by her refusal to quit the race.

The fact is this guy is nothing but a fraud and his destruction will emanate not from Hillary but the truth. Little by little the people see the luster fade from this phony.

The latest findings is that he lied about the connection of his father to JFK. He lied in his deliberate effort to wrap himself with the mystic of JFK.

To those Obama supporters who are asking Hillary to quit, i would say shut up your traps and let the race continue. You never know what other things will surface on your candidate.

Does anyone know the status of the
upcoming Clinton Fraud Trial? Oct. 2008

I think the plintiff is PeterFPaul.

Go to the back of the bus Obama. Now please sit down. Thank you.

-Geraldine, Bill, Gov Rendell

There's a wonderful article about Obama's mother-in-law, Michelle's mother in the Boston Globe today. This 71 year old matriarch is taking care of her little grand daughters, to allow and enable her son-in-law and daughter to participate in the campaign, without having to worry about their little girls. Its a beautiful aticle because it illustrates so wonderfully how Ordinary people can do Extraordinary things! Especially in a country like the USA. Neither Barack nor Michelle have the kind of legacy that Mrs Clinton has. Yet, thanks to the hard work of his mother (may she rest in peace) and that of his mother-in-law Mrs Robinson - Sen Obama has reached such national prominence. He breathes a new life into the political scene which had reached such degradation and degeneration that so many folks had lost interest.

Although Hillary Clinton is a very capable woman and is running as the 1st woman candidate for Presidency - we are a little tired of the Clintons and the Bushes. In this wonderful country of 300 million with some of the brightest and sharpest in the world, why should we stick to a handful of Clintons and Bushes? We need a new leader of the 21st century - one who inspires the youth, one who is smart, educated, intellectual, has emerged from hardships as is evident from his upbringing - and who is a visionary. Obama fits the role. Although there are so many yet who seem unconvinced, there are many many more who are tired of the Clintons and the James Carville (democrat version of Karl Rove) kind of politics.

I love those of you twisting facts on the record on Hillary. She has established a very good record in New York and the US Senate and is admired and respected by both perties. She knows how to cross lines and is effective in negotiating with all counterparts. Now, what track record does Obama has in Chicago and in the Senate? He is one of the most leftist liberals and has not done much in real accomplishments nor in negotiating. So, bring out the facts and Deeds because he is still an empty suit. His record at this point is PROMISES and this is not enough!!!!!

If Barack Obama really is a brave candidate he should not allow the Democratic voters in Florida and Michigan to be ignored. If he is a coward he will let it happen.

To vote has to be a fundamental right in regards to the ideal of Equal Citizenship, or? I thought that nobody could stop this right whatever Hillary Clinton and others have said before. This has to be a question for the voters in Florida and Michigan only to be worried about. And it´s easy to understand that they are angry.

If you had told voters in Germany that all states exept Bavaria are allowed to vote in a matter of great national importance there would have been a popular rise.

The Rezko trial resumes tomorrow.

There is a wonderful article in the WP about Obama's lies regarding his past.

Look at the comment section too.

How can anyone support as cold a guy as Barry Obama?

No, not Rezko he hasn't been tied to that one yet.

I'm talking about the lastest Clinton fiasco. PeterFPaul, google it and let me
know. FOCUS.

Since Obama has more delegates, more popular votes, and more states, Clinton can never overtake him. Even if Clinton should ever get 55% somewhere, Obama would also receive an additional 45 % because of the proportional vote. Thus it is mathematically impossible for Clinton to catch up any more.

Hillary Clinton needs to begin to prepare her exit from the race... Several sources in her own camp admit that she has virtually no chance of winning the nomination except if she succeeds in finding James Hoffa's body and moving it in Obama's flower garden to put the blame on him.

Since there is little chance for the body to be found, she makes all these negative assertions. The goal seems to be the 2012 election. By putting enough doubts on Obama, Hillary is hoping that he will lose to McCain and that she or Chelsea (who is also an experienced leader after her journey at the White House mansion) will be able to run in 2012. The Clintons might then be able to capitalize again with the rental of the Lincoln Bedroom to big lobbyists.

Whatever happens, since the Judas story with Richardson, we know that Hillary believes in ressurection; she or her husband Bill would be Jesus if I understood correctly the story. So, we can assume that Hillary will not hesitate to play the kamikaze with this election or the next one since she will probably reborn again, as the savior.

Hillary Clinton needs to begin to prepare her exit from the race before she hurts herself or others.

Judge a person by their actions, not their words.

Its way too easy to fall for a smooth salesman.

Look at what Barry actually does.

Not what he says.

Don't fall for the hype.

This guy is the slickest politician I've ever seen.

He's not the kind of guy he sells himself as.

Do the people who support him know that he actively opposed Bush's impeachment?

I didn't.

Here's the link --

www.beyondchron.org/articles/The_Obama_Craze_Count_Me_Out_5413.html

Gov. Rendell needs to exit from the race with Clinton... Rendell is a divisive figure who tried to play the race card few weeks ago mentioning that he knew some white voters who would never vote for a black man... Rendell and other narrow minded people like him have no lessons to give about unity or solutions. He is an obsolete part of the old America... like pastor Wright. He may be full of good intentions but he is not fit for the 21st century.

@Zeppelin (3:08): You are misleading American readers. Germans get absolutely NO vote in the selection of the candidates which are hand-picked behind closed doors in the backroom of their party.

svreader,

O-BA-MA!
O-BA-MA!!
O-BA-MA!!!

Sincerely,

Meldupree

Thanks! I found it.

The Clintons Face Fraud trial..Oct 2008

"As Hillary Clinton's belief in the inevitability of her 2008 ascension to the Oval Office is being shattered by the voters, the landmark civil fraud suit against Bill Clinton, with Hillary as a material witness, is proceeding to discovery and trial in California this Spring".

Google: PeterFPaul

This tells it all.

Kerry got the better of Rendell in the dueling Democratic health care proposals reported in this article on behalf of Obama and Clinton. It's not simply who has the "best solution," but also what degree and nature of consensus he or she develops in support of the proposal set forth. And this in turn depends upon who the solvent may be and how transparently and effectively this person, our next President, proceeds.

Certainly health care reform of the sort we need and impatiently await isn't merely a matter of waving a magic wand.

To Bob from Brooklyn:

Your comments were quite thoughtful and sincere and present the many realities that we face as we evaluate the nature of this 20 year relationship. Your comments go to the heart of the issues that we would ask ourselves when at the end of the day we face reality and see that a lot of us have great concerns of this issue. It speaks to the heart of what is Obama's character, judgement and credibility in the issues that he would face as President. I, like you and many others, CANNOT run the risk of finding out too late!!!

I invite those of you who can understand reason to read Bob's comments!!!

When asked Obama said Hillary has the right to stay in the race but he sounded like he was giving her permission to do it
Obama is a fraud along with his wife

The Clintons are both proven, pathological liars. How can any sane person watch her smiling fabrication of being under sniper fire and not acknowledge that she deliberately lies when it suits her agenda? Knowing that she would certainly be exposed makes one wonder if she has lost all touch with reality and is completely deranged.

The country has endured twenty years of Bush/Clinton scorched earth politics that have polarized the nation. Their mantra of winning at any cost is a disgrace and has done tremendous damage to our political process. Fortunately, as Barack so aptly stated, "Not this time".

Hillary has an established record in the US Senator working across the aisle with fellow Republicans that speaks loud and clear.

So, Gov. Rendell wins the argument!!!

svreader, the Rezko trial to date has revealed nothing about the relationship between Rezko and Obama. You keep holding on to something that does not exist. Let me know how that works out for you.

| svreader wrote:
| The Rezko trial resumes tomorrow.

The Clintons trials will resume shortly after the release of their missing records. Just a reminder of where we were with the Clintons:

- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- First president to be held in contempt of court
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court

meld --

This isn't a high-school football game.

Do some research.

Try actually reading posts from people like me who have worked hard to find out the truth about Barry.

The real Barry Obama is a really bad guy.

You're supporting a real jerk.

After explaining to my 5 year old daughter about the Hillary Bosnia flap.

Her comment was "Liar, Liar pants on fire."

I laughed, but thaught that was very insighful.

Just my2cents.

meld --

You're in denial about Obama.

Open your eyes.

No more Clintons. No more Bush.

No one's listening to Ed Rendell any more. He's quickly becoming more and more irrelevant by the minute.

Why do you think it is the big Democratic names supporting Hillary tend to be the older machine politicians, i.e. Rendell and Murtha in PA? Rendell who has accomplished nothing, other than legalizing gambling in his years as Governor. Murtha, the leading ear marker in the house. If Hillary gets elected it will be more of the same. Lobbyists running Washington, only their party affiliations will change, mind blowing amounts of our money disappearing into wasteful projects and bridges to nowhere. I don't know if Obama will be any different, but at least he hasn't been in Washington for 20 years and he's not taking PAC money.

The reasons why the Clintons are holding their records secrets (White House records, big donations to their foundations, tax returns,...) are obvious... The Clintons trials will resume shortly after the release of their missing records. Just a reminder of where we were with the Clintons:

- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- First president to be held in contempt of court
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court

svreader, you support a bald-faced liar. Hillary Rodham Clinton is her name, and lying in public his her game.

who the hell is John Kerry?

meld --

Obama's far worse.

We wont get to health care till the war ends, and Obama has it all over Hillary on that one. Hillary helped start the war and we need someone different to end it. We need a unifier for that. Who is Rendell anyway, and why should anyone care what he thinks?

svreader, the Pope, the Dali Lama, and the late Mother Teresa are worse than Hillary Rodham Clinton in your deluded estimation.

How can an experienced politician like Rendell be worrying about health care when a trillion dollars or more is being siphoned off for the military occupation of Iraq. Are you kidding me Ed? Do you think we fell off the truck like a pumpkin last nite? If Kennedy couldn't past health care in good times, what makes you think their is any prayer of a chance of getting health care now while the occupation continues. Listen up, bucko, Obama is the one who is poised to stop the war and bring us together. That is a necessary precondition to any chance for any type of domestic agenda. Stop pushing your health care rhetoric detached from reality. Americans know there is only so much money to go around, and the war has to stop first.

I also found out Rendell is to testify
in the upoming Clinton Fraud Trial
with PeterFPaul.

Go figure another crony.

Hillary Clinton helped George Bush by voting for the Iraq war, which helped put the economy in the toilet (and over four thousand dead service members). Nearly seven hundred BILLION dollars spent and you want to say that Obama is worse than Hillary? Heck, Hillary still owes the American public an apology for her vote. Maybe that why Hillary lie about her Bosnia trip with the greatest of ease.

Compared to Chicago Barry Obama, Hillary Clinton is Mother Theresa!!!

How can you support him???

If you don't like Hillary, vote for McCain.

Grandalfthegrey.. great thoughtful post.
Svreader.... you are a bit short on the facts. Name calling is just so meaningless.

It is always a pleasure to read Hillary's supporters comments - desperation, bitterness and now pleas to God. Hillary is a liar that will do anything to win the election. And apparently so are some of her supporters.

We've spent the last 8 years being lied to by a say anything do anything repub and the last thing we need is a say anything do anything democrat as our next president.

BTW the best thing to happen to the democrats was losing the 2004 presidential election. Otherwise we would have been saddled with Bush's Iraq and economy messes. Don't blame Kerry.

meld --

You're in denial.

Barry Obama actively worked to prevent Bush's impeachment.

Do your research.

This isn't a game.

Rose --

That's a serious charge.

Please provide evidence.

Carville says: "I think ... these candidates, have sort of conducted themselves affably," Carville added later on CNN's "Late Edition," but added the current contretemps over his remarks "is powder-puff stuff compared to the stuff that we're going to see in the general [election]. And as opposed to [the Obama campaign's] constant whine of how negative the Clinton campaign is and everything -- better be getting ready for a whole different ball game, because these guys are not concerned about this kind of stuff."

Carville can pretty much promise it will be nasty, because his wife will likely be directing the nasty charge for the McCain campaign, while he prepares to bring the nasty on behalf of "the Clintons".

Certainly, the advice of this "power couple" on both sides is a factor in the state of affairs that keeps American voters cynical, distrustful of politicians on all sides, and away from the polls.

Maybe it's time we move beyond the Carville-Matalin approach to politics.

wondering if meldupree and others questioning the "I misspoke" have bothered to check the news on Obama's use of the Kennedy name when talking about his father. Now is it okay to "misspeak?"

Hey Bob from Brooklyn, you ought to check out Rev Hagee and John McCain before you make up your mind. Also Rob Parsely is another one aligned with McCain.. scary to say the least.

Rose --

Please read the stuff I've posted.

Obama's playing you for a fool.

| maj wrote:
| who the hell is John Kerry?

The question is who the hell is Hillary Clinton in addition to be Bill's wife and who dodged bullets in Bosnia coming from snipers disguised as children waiting for her at the airport?

I guess we will know when she will release her records

If Rendell was honest he would admit that there is zero chance of enacting any national health insurance plan in the near future because of the government's budget problems and the need to fund social security. He would have to be an idiot to not know that with the occupation of Iraq and emergency funding bills of $100 billion or more every year no one is going to pass any health care mandate. Why cant he get it through his thick skull that first we need a uniter to end the occupation and refocus the nation on peace. That sure as heck isnt Hillary or McCain.

WHAT DOES KERRY KNOW ABOUT HEALTH PROPOSALS? ENOUGH ON ALL OF OBAMA BACKERS, THEIR ALL REJECTS,SO SUREELY WE DONT NEED THEIR INPUT ON HOW TO LEAD OUR COUNTRY,KERRY, KENNEDY, DODD AND RICHARDSON,HE COULDN'T EVEN STAND BEHIND HIS OWN RACE.LOSERS,AND OBAMA GIVING HILLARY PERMISSION TO STAY ON,COME ON SHE WILL PREVAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The only people worse than Bush supporters, it seems, are Clinton supporters. They will say anything, lie about anything, and make up the most outlandish stories about Obama.
svreader has posted the same tired junk about Obama winnig the Ill senate reace in so many blogs under so many different names. Face it, what ever Obama did to get elected was legal. His opponent, a sitting senator, filed fraudulent nominating petitions with enough fake names that it got her knocked off the ballot. What Obama did was knock off a career politician who felt she was above the rules. Just like Hillary.
The voters in Mich and Fla have no one to blame but their own party officials who were warned that the delagate would not be counted if they moved the primaries. They did and they won't. As Hillary said recently in Philadelphia about how delegated, committed or not, could change their votes at the convention,"Those are the rules of the Democratic party. Rules are rules, you can only change them going forward."
So the hypocrite cries that Fla and Mich should be counted, but, hey, if an Obama delegate wants to switch, well rules are rules. What a sack of crap. All those who hopefully cry that Obama can't win in Nov, look at the polls. Even with the Rev. Wright tapes, he is still leading McCain and McCain is still leading Hillary.
Obama is not racist, he is not an anti-semite. Your racist rants don't hunt. Ferraro said the only reason Obama is where he is is because of his race. No other qualifications. That is racist. Has anyone said that Hillary is where she is because she's a woman and how would you react if they did? In reality, Hillary is where she is because she is married to a former popular president and got elected to the NY senate because the state did not have a residency requirement. If it had, would she be a senator from anywhere? Doubt it.
I am going to vote for Sen. Obama in Pa next month and I will vote for him for president in Nov. Should Hillary somehow steal the nomination, I will hold my nose and vote for her, but only because McCain symbolizes four more bush years and more bush SC nominees.How come Clinton supporters say they will never vote for Obama? Thanks for the good of the party.

svreader, you are indeed a pathetic Clintonista: Hillary Clinton is Mother Teresa?? Man, you are delusional; greatfully, Obama's healthcare plan cover mental health services. For you svreader, perhaps an involuntary commitment is in order. . .

Anyone who votes for Hillary thinking that her health plan is better than Obama's ought to get a grip. This election is not going to bring any health plan into existence. The country is in too deep a hole financially, and already overcommitted with social security and the occupation of Iraq. Its really idiotic to even talk about anyone's health plan before uniting the country to leave Iraq as fast as possible. Rendell is selling fools gold to the lower middle class white voter and Hillary will leave them flat just like Bill Clinto who enacted no new legislation of any consequence except welfare reform in his time in office. Bill took away safety net, remember that.

Why do we have such trouble with rules us Americans? Why is there constant whine about Florida and Michigan? It seems that is akin to mortgage bailout proposals: I made a mistake,I borrowed on a house I can't afford, it's not my fault, so Uncle Sam must bail me out (..and I'm voting for the one that promises me this fairy tale).
Is it not time for our Nation to leave the adolescent stage and grow up? Rules are made, all parties agreed, there is no discussion. Learn and do it better next time. Enough about Michigan & Florida; if all those voters wanted to be counted (me among them) they should have beat down the door of their respective state democratic party's offices over a year ago.
Let's grow up and show the world the true leaders we can be!

GandalftheGrey: Thank you for an excellent analysis of the Clinton campaign. Your insights and analysis, as always, are perceptive and accurate. I appeciate the way you give credit to Senator Clinton, where credit is due, and I appreciate even more the absence of vitriol and rancor in your posts. I look forward to reading more of your thought.

Maybe it is time to move beyond that approach to politics, but Obama certainly isn't doing it for us. from what I have seen, he is a more masterful POLITICIAN than Bill Clinton ever was. Very adroit with use of words in general - but especially innuendo. What bothers me most - sounds strange, but has the same smirk that Bush has. interesting have never heard it mentioned - but it's there. I think it's the arrogance that gets me, basically. Can't take another four years of it. If Hillary doesn't get it, will have to go with McCain - only thing close to honest I could find between Obama and McCain.

I have to disagree with Governor Rendell. Senator Obama is the only potential Democratic nominee with a prayer of uniting the country after the election. Without a unified country and some degree of bipartisanship, there won't be progress on health care, social security, immigration, and a host of other important issues. Issue papers that cannot be transformed into signed bills are not worth very much.

Hillary's arguments about Florida and Michigan are like Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe talking about fair elections. Everyone knew that there was no primary campaign there, but Hillary will take votes where she can get them.

Gerhard (3:19) writes: "You are misleading American readers. Germans get absolutely NO vote in the selection of the candidates which are hand-picked behind closed doors in the backroom of their party."

Of course you are right "Germans get NO vote"! However I am not misleading anybody. Modern history shows that an American President who is lacking in judgement has become a threat to peace all over the world. For that reason it´s good to be able to talk about what´s going to happen in your country. Internet is great and so is Washington post.

I repeat, if you had told voters in Germany that all states exept Bavaria are allowed to vote in a matter of great national importance (in Germany) there would have been a popular rise.

Since I have always regarded your Union as being an example I am a bit surprised when I read that voters in great states like Florida and Michigan will not be allowed to make their voice heard!

What a great example! After all you are not a third world country.

Hillary is far the best candidate!!!

Hillary Clinton voted for the war that makes enacting any health plan impossible for the foreseeable future. Vote's have consequences. Its not just the lives that have been lost, its the money that has been spent and continues to be spent and is no longer available. If we are lucky, we will get to keep Social Security and Medicare, never mind the fools gold promises of a perfect national health care plan.

Hillary Clinton's health care plan would be dead-on-arrival in the Congress. I don't care how great it is, it will never be passed in its current form.

So, it's a bit disingenous to compare her "plan" against Obama's. All that matters is what can be passed. An ability to bring people together is obviously important in this regard. Hillary hasn't demonstrated that she is cabable of doing so.

Fortunately after the Senate election this fall, we can kick Liberman out of all the Senate committes.

I agree with Gov. Rendell that solutions are important. However, Sen. Clinton is far from the "solutions" candidate. Look at Senator Clinton's actual work: S.Res 485 (109th Congress).

S. Res 485 raises important issues regarding family planning, yet it is a meaningless resolution as it is just that--a resolution. Resolutions are mere statements--resolutions are meaningless words on paper.

By contrast, solutions are appropriations for programs. Absent the funds, there are no solutions.

Rendell is way off the mark on the revote. I mean, Hillary was the only one on the ballot in Mi and she only got, what, 55 percent of the vote? All of Rendell's talk about Obama not being able to win the white vote. Obama has won the white vote in numerous states. Sure, he hasn't won over the Regan Dems, but Clinton can't win educated white voters who make over 50,000, nor college-age voters, nor African Americans. There are so many groups Clinton can't win, which is why Obama is beating her.

Rendell is an old-school politician who understands that if Obama wins his days are over, as are the Clintons.

By the way, all this nonsense that Hillary can get health care through the Senate and House is a joke. She had her chance, and she failed. She will fail again, because she hasn't learned the lessons from her past, which is obvious by the way she lied and continued to lie about her trip to Bosnia. When a third-rate comedian challenged her on it, instead of coming clean she just expanded the lie, adding the bit about running for cover under sniper fire.

Hmm, that reminds me of a certain politician who got caught in a lie and in his defence lied some more. Oh, yes, her husband.

I guess for Hillary, whether or not she ran for cover under sniper fire all depends upon what the meaning of sniper fire is.

And if she were such a good, electable candidate, and Obama can't win as they all say, then why is Obama winning.

Darlenann -

I think you are delusional . Obama truly has tried to stay above the fray in this campaign and to be a gentleman. Its amazing how you can be offended by Obama's skillful use of words yet don't have an issue with the flat out lies of the Clintons. You really need to look at what you want from a candidate. I think you are seeking some attributes that Clinton and McCain have in common that Obama simply will never be able to live up to.

I like Taylor's comment because it typifies the problem of the Clinton machine. ALL CAPS!!!!

Of course, the Clinton message is more important than everyone else's. Of course they have the right to shout louder.

What really matters here, according to Taylor it seems, is sheer volume and harangue. Overwhelm the other guy by whatever means it takes.

It just makes me tired. Lighten up all.

I urge us all to remember to respect one another as thinking people, to recall that the vast majority of Americans agree on an awful lot more than we disagree on. And remember that the subset of Americans who are supporting Obama or Clinton agree on 99% of the key issues.

Much of our heat comes from misguidedly merging our enthusiasms and fears. By letting hope for a historic first get muddied by anger that it might not happen, we cheapen the sentiment. And when we lash out at the opponent who might best us, we are made small.

Cheer for your champion but respect your opponent. We are all in this together.

There are only two questions Hillary needs to answer in the next few months:

1) when, not if, will she withdraw from the race
2) how low will she go in the meantime?

Clinton must have blowout victories in Penn, NC, and Indiana to even have a chance. If Obama wins any of those three and then the remaining contests where he is favored he'll be the nominee July 1st.

If he wins two or three of them, he could be the nominee by June 1st.

Hillary's path is harder. As disenfranchised as her supporters may feel now, Obama's supporters would feel much worse if she steals this from him. The way to avoid Florida-2000-like feelings is to give the nomination to the person who earned the most delegates. You know, like they do in democracies.

A lot of Hillary supporters here, idiotto-svreader icluded, posted obvious lies about Obama's voting records and a lot of other facts. Svreader is a liar and the very stupid one, as he is practically always caught on his lies. If one wants to go through with his links, ask svreader at first why 90% of facts, which these links mention, are easily proven to be wrong.

Kerry is a putz, who couldn't win a presidential election if he was the only candidate. He has no room to say anything negative about a powerhouse like Hillary Clinton. And his support of that fraud, Obama, is unforgivable. God help him if he ever has the stupidity to run for president again, because he sure as hell won't get my vote.

Bill 14, Maybe if Hillary had respected her opponent in the first place we wouldnt be where we are now. She realized she couldnt win selling Hillary, so she had to do a scorched earth strategy. If the Democratic party is going to stoop to the same tactics that the GOP does against us, then what's the point? Hillary like Lieberman would rather push herself forward regardless of whether people really want her as the candidate. I wont be supporting the nominee if its Hillary after how she has campaigned.

Gandalf the Gray's piece--at the very opening of the comments--serves as marvelous, albeit sad, preface for the hatred and vitriol that washes through the posts below it.

Gandalf, my friend, you selected an excellent nom de plume; that was a wise and thoughtful post. It articulated well the very reasons why I, too, am an Independent.

I have voted in every election--local, state, national--since I first became eligible in 1968. I would never "sit out" an election; the vote is too important; it is an expression of political will. My political will is to break the Two-Party stranglehold on America. I want to restore democracy to the nation. I refuse to waste my vote by endorsing a Democrat or Republican.

I rather doubt that I will vote for Nader; I will consider McKinney and Gravel. Perhaps I will write in the name of a private citizen I admire.

After this brief interlude of civil discourse, the tides of anger, bitterness, and hatred are once again free to wash back and forth in the posts below.....

There are only two questions Hillary needs to answer in the next few months:

1) when, not if, will she withdraw from the race
2) how low will she go in the meantime?

Clinton must have blowout victories in Penn, NC, and Indiana to even have a chance. If Obama wins any of those three and then the remaining contests where he is favored he'll be the nominee July 1st.

If he wins two or three of them, he could be the nominee by June 1st.

Hillary's path is harder. As disenfranchised as her supporters may feel now, Obama's supporters would feel much worse if she steals this from him. The way to avoid Florida-2000-like feelings is to give the nomination to the person who earned the most delegates. You know, like they do in democracies.

"No more Clintons. No more Bush" ------------------Welcome Obama, Wright and Farrakhan

Clintons originated all heavy problems, which the country faces now. They helped to place Bush twice in the White House, which terribly enlarged these problems. They are no positive solution to any of these peoblems, their presence in WH can only increase all possible tensions, not to diminish them, no matter what paid by them people on this board are posting in their, almoat always fully fraudulent, comments. The unity might be not enough, but it is required. And Clintons, especially female, has brought to the country a lot of divisive hatred, and produced by this hatred negative implication.

No more war, being part of the world again. All races getting along and looking to a country where we all have a part. Welcome Obama

If Hillary was being honest, and if her supporters had a grip, they would endorse Obama because he stands a better chance of accomplishing the desired changes than anyone else.

The Clinton's fouled our collective nest in the sixties and they are doing it again.

The old saying goes: "First time shame on you----second time shame on me.

On the other hand----maybe some folks like a fouled nest.

Onefreakinword, it looks like your 'powerhouse' is choosing the road to infuriate a lot of democrats; and it might move your'powerhouse' into the proper facility, like special regime prison, for examle. If, like you are, I were a supporter of somebody with Clintons' past, I would be very accurate currently, as they, sure, are on the very thin rope. Maybe, to step out means for them to sign own death sentence, as they are so obviously involved with 9/11, but you are not involved with something like that, I think, so, be accurate suporting them now, it would finish badly, I feel, as they are trying the limits on not unlimited patience; and wounds of 9/11 are still fresh. People might finally rip them off alive; and supporters might get the same, if around.

Either you are a pro-choice or pro-life,pro-gun or pro-gun cntrol,pro-Iraq war or anti war, and there are a lot more issues in which you will differ with your peers.You have some common grounds also.But in many issues you have to take a side and there by you will distance some people.'Unite the country'-is a common rhetoric all over the world and is effective to attract naive mind.

In the early part of this Primary Barack Obama had a voodoo spell oer the white folks , they were fainting and calling him a messiah.But now that spell is broken and white people are stating to wake up to the fact tat Sen. Obama is a humbug!A Con- artist like Elmer Gantry, who is selling a false bill of goods.I hope more of them wake up before we make another mistake for eight more years.!

concernedaboutdc said:
"As ex-Governor of Virgina L. Doug Wilder stated recently, Hillary had eight years to construct a health care plan to cover all American's while her husband was the President. He empowered her to do just that. But she failed. So why should we believe that she would be successful now.
In short, that dog has gone out to hunt, but we've now learned that it does not bite. In short, it is worthless."
Wow, if any one can't hunt it is Wilder the egotistic self promoter. He can't even run city hall; he is a shameful politician that can't get along with anyone including his school board and the city council. Richmond city government is a laughing stock thanks to Wilder. Wilder is a maverick and will do and say anything as long it is good to Wilder. He got elected as the first mayor of Richmond to clean corruption in city hall and what to do Richmonders get: more cronyism, nepotism, corruption and absurd waste by Wilder officials. The fiasco on his tiff with the school superintendent whether the school system offices should be in city hall and elsewhere when it palyed out in the media was more of Greek trajedy than a bureaucratic snafu. I spare you the details but let me say it was very laughable and may I say wasted tax dollars because he, Wilder, want to be looked as the omnipotent royalty or a dictator than a mere elected mayor. So Wilder has no credibility to talk about the Clintons and claim they had their eight years. He had his four years as governor and no one can remember any value that Wilder added to the Commonwealth except obtuse bickering, chicanery, and egotism as the governor or mayor. He is more bombastic than substance; in short his noises should be ignored as mere irritants

I have one question for Senator Clinton. If the current positions were reversed and she was up on Senator Obama by a small margin of delegates and Senator Obama had won Florida and Michigan, would she still advocate for Michigan and Florida votes counting even if doing so would cost her losing everything in the end? I would just love to hear what her answer to that question would be.

cyndieshen are you worried that if Barack is elected that he will free your slaves....?

As for Rev. Wright, Bill and Hillary
had no problem calling him to the White House back in the 1990's so that Bill could confess too America that the chunky intern really was sucking the penis of the POTUS...

Same Rev. Wright, small world...

Liebermann took the words out of my mouth about the democratic party. Probably what he said was very calculated, given that so many Hillary supporters have said just as much in these blogs. McCain and Lieberman read the polls...they know 1/3 of Hillary supporters will vote for McCain...Liebermann's comment today articulated what so many of us Hillary supporters have been feeling and it was like he was welcoming us over. (especially with the "It's a different party than when Clinton was President.")

The party has almost become incestouous in its exclusivity...and it really has become "you're either with us, or against us." If Hillary is not the nominee...I will have no trouble leaving it.

Also....I can say with certaintly that McCain will not pick Liebermann, Powell, Rice, or any Senator for a VP. McCain is strong on National Security. He doesn't need a VP who is. He needs someone who is strong on the economy which would be a Govoenor....and why would McCain pick a VP out of the Senate, when the Senate's going to have to fight for every Republican they can keep.

Americans you should be proud of your great nation and I beleive you are. You made it possible to defeat the most evil racists ever, Adolf Hitler and his Nazi followers. I suppose that you cannot even imagine what would have happened if the Nazis had won the battle of Europe?

Barack Obama and Jeremiah Wright - violence does not always create violence. Sometimes it`s necessery to use violence to reach peace and to prevent racism.

United States of America is like an enormous ship in rocky waters such as helthcare, terrorism, recession, etc. etc. It is necessery to be careful and to have a very reliable navigation paper to avoid grounding. I strongly beleive that Hillary Clinton will be the best pilot and that she has the most confidence-inspiring map. Obama seems to have no trouthful map at all. To me his seems to be a risky candidate.

Some comments about Hillary Clinton are filled with nastiness - a kind of manner that should not be tolerated in serius discussions. Prejudicy, intolerancy and outrage! And you know absoultely nothing about Barck Obama´s private life.

However, this is none of my business.

Um, Fred dear (who posted at 2:19 pm) . A view like the one Ms Ferraro held is the definition of racism. Racism IS when you pick out the 'racial' aspect of a person and then ascribe various faults or virtues without foundation, reason or evidence to support. It occurs with most people to some degree but it is to be deplored when expressed. It is disgraceful in a politician because it shows a complete lack of wisdom and wisdom is the prime quality sought in leaders, after all.

I find it funny how low the Hillary supporters are willing to go in order to get her remotely close to him. Barring a catastrophic event that no one could see, HILLARY WILL LOSE. Again, those are the facts. To date, Hillary has no lead in any statistic.

Please don't bring up the argument that she won the states that any democratic nominee would win regardless of who it was. That "entitlement" attitude of the the Hillary Clinton campaign is the same attitude they took when they WAISTED thousands of dollars on donuts and coffee, instead of developing a sound grass roots campaign to re-introduce Hillary or get people to know her. She has brought absolutely NO new democratic voters to the party, has ZERO cross over appeal and will single handidly make those on the right fight her with every might and unify them. She cannot show proof of crossing party lines in an atmosphere that is split down the middle. She only can say she's done so in heavily democratic NY legistlation, where the Dem's rule anyway. Heck, she shut out many folks of her OWN party in her failed attempt at health care reform when "Slick Willy" was in office.

I am not sure why the rules and arguments change every time one of the many doors closes on her campaign. Hillary needs take a hard look at the folks running her campaign and relaize they got "out-witted". How the heck do you lose in every facet of this primary race when you were the CLEAR frontrunner? Easily, you smile in folks faces and do not do any work behind closed doors and then when the shades are pulled up on the windows, you find out how filthy the house really is.

Hillary is like that arrogant student who feels like they "know everything" in class and only shows up 75% of the time, while that unknown student that sat in the front of the class, is Obama, who was very adept at taking notes and giving in top notch assignments, as well as, being astute in class participation. However, when the semester ended, she walked up to receive her grade and saw a B-, while agrily looking at Obama with his A+ and that smiley face on his report card. Job well done Obama. Hillary supporters should be MORE furious that she swindled all that money and didn't put forth the work behind it or the work that it takes to become president. A hand in marriage isn't the best way to become the next president, it takes integrity, hard work and honesty!

I hope that notepad is open Hillary...Take notes, class will be in session again next Fall!

After seven years of Bush/Cheney violations of treaties and international law, of trashing the Constitution, of defying Congressional subpoenas, and of nullifying acts of Congress with signing statements, it is not likely that the American public will have much stomach for another President that regards ,Hillary, herself as unbound by rules or, by implication, by laws.
Bill Clinton lied before a grand jury.
Hlliary Clinton lied in front of hundreds of supporters and journalists on the campaign trail. She lied not once, twice....
Hillary's attitude is "it must be me, or nobody!"
Hillary and Bill Clinton are for the wholesale market of manipulation and swindling.
After "35 years of experience" Hillary has learned:
Audience manipulation, her twisting of events, the tale's swindling core.

Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton? No, NO, NO.
Bush and Clinton ear are done in 2008!!!

The Clinton's are named defendants in a Civil Fraud Case connected to Campaign Finance irregularities and have not disclosed the appeal of the case. There will be a trial date set at a hearing on April 25th, just 3 days after the key Pennsylvania Primary for the Fraud Case Paul v. Clinton in the Los Angeles Superior Court. Plaintiff says he will call PA Gov. Rendell will be a witness in the case. Rendel probably should not be raising funds for Michigan until he has answered questions about this 2000 Clinton Fundraiser. From what I unders