Clinton pledges to stay in campaign through end of primaries

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton pledged to stay in the Democratic race through the final primaries on June 3.

"I'm not going anywhere," she said on CNN's "Late Edition," dashing hopes of Sen. Barack Obama to wrap up the nomination battle and move into the general election as soon as possible.

Clinton said she wants the Democratic National Committee rules panel to seat the Florida and Michigan delegations - giving a big boost to her campaign - when it meets on May 31. "I think the voters who came out, over 2.3 million of them in both states, clearly believed that their votes would count," she said.

If she does not become the nominee, she said she'd campaign hard for Obama.

"I'm going to do everything I can to make sure that anyone who supported me ... understand what a grave error it would be not to vote for Senator McCain," she said, then corrected herself, "[for] Senator Obama, and against Senator McCain."

Clinton called the notion of an Obama-Clinton ticket premature but said both candidates "are committed to doing everything we can to win in the fall."

Clinton reiterated one of the chief contrasts she makes with Obama: that she's a fighter and he's not. "I am not one who believes that we're going to be able to come to Washington in 2009, hold hands with everybody, and take on the drug companies and the oil companies and the health insurance companies and everything we have to do, and that, just, somehow that will all happen," she said.

Clinton acknowledged that a recent statement she made about who was supporting her and who was supporting Obama was, in the words of her supporter Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.), "the dumbest thing" she ever said.

A few weeks ago, Clinton referenced an Associated Press article about how Obama's
"support among working -- hard working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how ... whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me. I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on."

Explaining the statement, Clinton said she was referencing an AP article.

"Obviously I have worked very hard to get the votes of everyone," she said. "And I have campaigned hard, I understand that we've got to put together a broad coalition in order to win in the fall. We've got to get to that 270 electoral vote margin. And I know Senator Obama has worked hard to reach out to every community and constituency."

Edwards: Why he endorsed

Also appearing on CNN, former senator John Edwards explained why finally decided to endorse Obama on Wednesday. As recently as Monday, he said he wouldn't make an endorsement.

"Well, I had made the decision about who I would support, because, for one thing, I had to vote in the North Carolina primary. And I voted for Senator Obama in the North Carolina primary," Edwards said. "But I just came to the conclusion, basically, in the 24 hours before we made the announcement on Wednesday night in Grand Rapids, Michigan, that it was time for me to speak out. It was more gut than anything else."

Edwards said his wife Elizabeth "announced months ago publicly that she was not going to make an endorsement, [and] that she had a very high opinion of both of these candidates."

Biden and Webb: Veep choices?

Two Democratic senators, James Webb of Virginia and Joseph Biden of Delaware, left the door open to serving as a vice presidential candidate.

Biden appeared much more open to the idea than Webb.

"Anybody that's asked by their nominee to be their running mate, you'd have to consider it. How could you just blow it off? You can't do that," Biden said on ABC's "This Week."

Webb on NBC's "Meet the Press" would not rule out serving as No. 2, but said "I'm not that interested."

If asked by Clinton or Obama, he said, "I would highly discourage them."

Neither Biden nor Webb has endorsed a candidate.

Biden questioned whether Clinton would serve as a vice president to Obama. "I don't know whether Hillary would want to do that," he said.

He said that even if she does not win, "she's still the most powerful woman in American politics."

"Now, I know the speaker [Nancy Pelosi] might not like me saying that," added Biden, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Republican leadership says it's staying

House minority leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) said he and Rep. Tom Cole (R-Okla.), the leader of the party's House campaign committee, would remain in office despite three defeats in special elections.

"I'm staying. Listen, my job is to help bring all the members together and lead them, and show the American people that we can deliver the kind of changes that they deserve," Boehner said on ABC.

"We have to prove to the American people we can deliver the change that they want and the change that they deserve," he said, listing issues such as health care, gas prices and food costs.

Bush comment debated

President Bush's warning last week about a senator who believed war with Nazi Germany could be averted by simply talking to Hitler continued to spark debate on the Sunday shows.

Some observers saw the comment as an attack on Obama, who has said he would talk with leaders of Iran. Bush aides said that wasn't the case.

"What's the alternative to talking with a country that's building a nuclear weapons, attempting to, that in fact is helping kill Americans by supporting elements in Iraq that are killing Americans?" Biden asked. "You either talk; you go to war; or you maintain the status quo."

He added, of the president, "This is pure, unadulterated politics."

But Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.), appearing on "Fox News Sunday," said Obama said he would "meet personally and without preconditions. That's not what former presidents have done. And they certainly haven't met with state sponsors of terrorism."

By Zachary Goldfarb |  May 18, 2008; 2:27 PM ET
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""I'm going to do everything I can to make sure that anyone who supported me ... understand what a grave error it would be not to vote for Senator McCain," she said, then corrected herself,"

....riiight. This campaign needs to be euthanized.

Posted by: ep thorn | May 18, 2008 3:28 PM

"I'm not going anywhere," she said on CNN's "Late Edition,"

Now she's finally coming to realize her campaign is going nowhere aside from increasing the debt meter.

Her claims that every vote counts is disingenuous at best since she's not counting those who voted in caucuses when proclaiming she's winning the popular vote.

Posted by: ding-dong-the-witch-is-dead | May 18, 2008 3:34 PM

"I think the voters who came out, over 2.3 million of them in both states, clearly believed that their votes would count,"

Even afer Hillary made abundantly clear that they wouldn't count for anything....

Posted by: kreuz_missile | May 18, 2008 3:36 PM

Good for you, Senator Clinton! Please hang in there. Senator Obama must be a bozo if he believes the voters of Kentucky will be fooled by a pamphlet showing him in front of a large cross or by him now wearing an American flag pin. Where is the media's indignation of candidate pandering(big time)now that the shoe is on the other foot?

Posted by: C.R. | May 18, 2008 3:37 PM

Of course FL and MI were the only reason for Clinton to stay in the race, but the popular vote is "meaningless", as President Carter stated on Larry King Live last week, because Republicans have voted in the primaries of many states. ONLY DELEGATES COUNT, he said. And even with FL and MI, Hillary will not have enough delegates.

Posted by: bodo | May 18, 2008 3:41 PM

Hillary Clinton is not paying attention to what the people of Michigan want. She is doing what she wants to do. The people of Michigan knew a long time ago that that election would not count and so did Clinton. Michiganders don't think it should count (except for the Dem leaders in Michigan who are responsible for this fiasco and are Clinton supporters). Don't fall for her idea that she's doing this for the people!!!

Posted by: JoyceV | May 18, 2008 3:47 PM

Sometimes it's very hard for me to believe that we are a democratic nation, willing to give everyone their right to be heard, never being able to say that the position has changed about anything - not even when the circumstances tell you that today is different than yesterday.

When do you guys grow up? Are you so intent in denying anyone who differs from your viewpoint that you cannot see the forest for the trees?

Nobody could have predicted that this nominating battle would turn out to be the most exciting race anyone of us has ever witnessed. To say that Michigan and Florida wouldn't matter was reality in 2007. If you don't understand that denying more than 2 million people their right to be heard, then you ought to speak to a History Professor to learn what you dopn't know about democracy.

As Senator Biden has stated, even if Hillary does not win, she will still be the most powerful woman in this country. That is - whether you like it or not!

Posted by: phyllis | May 18, 2008 3:59 PM

"I'm going to do everything I can to make sure that anyone who supported me ... understand what a grave error it would be not to vote for Senator McCain," she said, then corrected herself, "[for] Senator Obama, and against Senator McCain."

Freudian slip?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 18, 2008 4:02 PM

Hillary is displaying exactly why she is NOT THE CHOICE of a majority of Democrats and a supermajority of Americans. She is stubborn (cannot admit mistakes - as her vote to authorize the war in Iraq) and willful (as she now confirms with her dupicity on the votes of two states in their primaries).

Hillary continues to enable the miscreants who array themselves about her campaign, while she leads down a path to nowhere the millions of women who honestly want the glass ceiling shattered at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Hillary is doing a mis-service to women by continuing her barely disguised campaign to destroy anyone who has the audacity to oppose her "right" to the Presidency.

Seating the delegates from the two states who knowingly thumbed their respective noses at Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina is against the agreed upon strictures set forth by the DNC, her own publicly stated earlier positions, and objective common sense.

But even more damning is her insistence to do so, when the results will not change the nomination result. No, instead, she persists to make a point -- I leave it to you to clarify what point that truly is.

Hillary is demonstrating that she is more about herself than she is for either Democratic Party unity or the common American values of honesty and fairplay.

She will justly deserve her inevitable result -- disgrace and dishonor.

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Posted by: Lee Giabenelli - Obamacan | May 18, 2008 4:05 PM

Hmmm, "I'm not going anywhere" sounds like a quote from a person interned at GITMO.

Funny how McCain wants to make tax cuts permanent for his wife, W.'s legacy issues and Cheney's cronies.

Warren the Buffett man does not agree with these scams that de-value the United States dollar through debt. I bet President Clinton does not agree with scams that devalue America.

Well Bro, in a spritual sense, it's mighty white of McCain to make his wife's tax breaks permanent.

Do you know the Buffet man, the Buffet man, who lives on Drury lane ?

Posted by: Mark W. | May 18, 2008 4:07 PM

Obama is all about calculation and stagecraft.

He doesn't care about policy. This is just a big show to him.

Voters are NOT fooled.

Either we ensure Hillary is the nominee. Or we vote for McCain.

Obama is an empty vessel. A disaster in the making if we vote the party line.

Posted by: Truth Seeker | May 18, 2008 4:10 PM

Hillary Clinton is blind to the fact, that
the Democratic Party is already embracing
Senator Obama as the "would be nominee".
Her resilience of staying in the race is
disservice to the democratic party and
the American people as well. This is a woman who serve her ambition with the pretext of serving the american people.

Posted by: tara penny | May 18, 2008 4:17 PM

Hillary isn't just fighting for herself, she is fighting for me and others like me. I'm not voting for Obama and am a Democrat. I am a centrist not a leftist. I do not feel comfortable with him and many of his contacts he has decided to surround himself with for more than 20 years. I have an Masters + degree and am not "uneducated" so I don't fit the stereotype most pollers are propagating of Hillary's supporters. On the Washington Post blogs, posters who seem to be college age boys have said terrible things about her and seem to support Obama mainly because "He Rocks!" or is cool. The Democratic Party seems to willing bulldoze us over and ignore that they are pushing out us out of the party. They speak of "healing" while abusing us in the media and ignoring that voters are still voting. I have always been a dedicated Democratic voter but will begin backing out now. What I have experienced was revolting and unkind.

Posted by: Lynn E | May 18, 2008 4:21 PM

While I understand why Obama supporters want Hillary to drop out I'm glad she's staying in. She's a much stronger candidate when you look at who can win the most electoral votes. Remember it's not just about winning the nomination. Whoever comes out of the convention also has to be able to compete against McCain with rules much different than our nomination process has had. No caucus, no taking the name of the ballot, no proportional allotment of votes & all 50 states will get to vote this time.

Posted by: Chris | May 18, 2008 4:32 PM

So why is there no headline: Obama wins Nevada 55% to 44%? That is what happened yesterday in Reno, NV at the state convention. He more than reversed her Nevada win. Why the silence? Why is it all about West Virginia?

Posted by: al | May 18, 2008 4:36 PM

So why is there no headline: Obama wins Nevada 55% to 44%? That is what happened yesterday in Reno, NV at the state convention. He more than reversed her Nevada win. Why the silence? Why is it all about West Virginia?

Posted by: al | May 18, 2008 4:37 PM

"I'm staying. Listen, my job is to help bring all the members together and lead them, and show the American people that we can deliver the kind of changes that they deserve," Boehner said on ABC.

"We have to prove to the American people we can deliver the change that they want and the change that they deserve," he said...

I guess Boehner likes the new GOP slogan, The Change You Deserve.

You can tell he's really speaking from the heart. Not at all mouthing empty slogans, oh dear me no.

PS Very nice bear Lee Giabenelli.

Posted by: OD | May 18, 2008 4:38 PM

America is in a catch 22 situation. At the time when the Democrats had a great chance to stage a come back, the party strangely enough came out with such two candidates who can never become an unequivocal choice due to obvious reasons.

It seems Democrats may lose an otherwise sure shot chance to storm into power due to an utterly wrong choice of candidates.

This is good news for McCain who as such would have had little chance to win in the present day scenario.

Posted by: intelliplus | May 18, 2008 4:40 PM

Hillary, what would we do without you. Stay in the race; keep talking; keep spending other people's money; keep that debt growing; keep showing us all the ways a candidate can lose an election while losing her self respect; and keep showing us why we were wise to reject you.

Keep going girl! You should manage to get yourself rejected by the Democrats in New York in 2012 when you run for re-election as Senator. And this after your cohorts in the US Senate ignore and isolate you for the last four years of your term.

You are succeeding in doing what the evil right wing Republican consiracy couldn't do. You are destroying yourself. Its almost fun to watch. You go girl!

And Hillary, don't worry about all those other women in America. They were doing fine before you came along and they will do well after you are long forgotten. You go girl!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 18, 2008 4:41 PM

I find the media shutout of Senator Clinton appalling. The control of the entrenched elite in Boston, New York and Washington DC is apparent over CNN, MSNBC, ABC, the Washington Post and other news outlets. It makes me doubt the free press. Sexism and elitism are rampant. I already knew that FOX had a Republican bias. I no longer trust any of you. This is my last post. Goodbye

Posted by: Appalled | May 18, 2008 4:56 PM

Lynn E;
If you believe the majority of Obama's posters are college-aged boys, you are an educated fool. Barack Obama has the most broad and diverse constituency of the three candidates, including a substantial core of non-racist middle-aged and senior caucasians--both educated and uneducated. You Clinton followers need to extract your heads from the sand.

Go ahead and vote for McCain if you wish -- it's your right. However the sooner you recognize that Hillary Clinton will not be the nominee, the better off we will all be. Hillary must not be allowed to continue this stubborn and ill-fated sore-loser campaign. Not only is it embarrassing, it provides a terrible example for our daughters. As a former Hillary supporter, this has become sickening to watch.

Posted by: LadyBaltimore | May 18, 2008 4:57 PM

The following is an interesting item in the May 18, 2008 Washington Times. It's worth reading since it discusses the depths that the Hillary campaign has sunk.

Article published May 18, 2008
Ever Lower She Goes
Washington Times

May 18, 2008

By Paul Greenberg - Hillary Clinton has come a far piece in this campaign. Down. Call it the saga of the Incredible Sinking Woman, for she started off as her party's presumptive nominee for president of the United States. All she had to do was wait to be crowned after the results of Super Tuesday back in early February. After that, she could begin her campaign in earnest against the poor, outfinanced candidate the Republicans would finally put up. But then that pesky upstart Barack Obama intervened in, of all places, lily-white Iowa and it was back to the drawing board.

The damage control seemed to have worked by New Hampshire, where Hillary! emerged as Comeback Kid II, repeating what her husband claimed to have done in '92 -- only to watch her unbeatable lead prove beatable in subsequent primary after primary. By early May, an only-narrow win in Indiana wasn't enough to get her back in the winner's circle, not with a landslide loss in North Carolina.

So she's changed personas once again. This time she has reincarnated herself as a kind of poll-driven, demographically sophisticated, Ivy League version of George C. Wallace. Did you catch that classic clip of her trying to down a shot of Purple Sock in an Indiana bar to show she's just one of the guys? She sipped it. Like a lady sampling an upscale rose wine, and trying not to be offended.

It was all enough to make Richard Nixon's long-derided Southern Strategy look subtle. Only this time there's no sub- to the presidential candidate's text. It's all out there in the ugly open. Just listen to her citing AP exit polls after Indiana and North Carolina that "found how Sen. Obama's support among working -- hard-working Americans, white Americans -- is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me. There's a pattern emerging here."

There certainly is, and it isn't pretty. It's the same pattern Bill Clinton home pioneered, much to his embarrassment, after his spouse's defeat in South Carolina, which he tried to dismiss as the victory of just another strictly black candidate a la Jesse Jackson in another, far different presidential campaign. When called on that remark, he resorted to claiming, in that highly indignant fashion of his, that it was the Obama people who were trying to play the race card against him.

There is apparently no limit to what Mr. or Mrs. Clinton will say in a tight spot. They've now long passed the point where charisma has become just chutzpah.

The racial/class appeal of the latest Hillary Clinton is no longer disguised; it's just put in terms a political consultant rather than a good ol' boy would use. It's quite a comedown from George Wallace's feisty eloquence in the old days about pointy-headed intellectuals, but the appeal is remarkably the same.

Now it's Hillary Rodham Clinton who is supposed to be the candidate of hard-working Americans, white Americans. As if black Americans don't work hard, too. And, of course, nobody ever saw a lazy, no-account white American.

Goodness, can the lady be fooling anybody, including herself?

To paraphrase Joseph Welsh, Joe McCarthy's nemesis during the Army-McCarthy hearings, "Have you no sense of decency, ma'am, at long last? Have you no sense of decency?"

Paul Greenberg is a nationally syndicated columnist.

Posted by: New Era | May 18, 2008 5:04 PM





Posted by: thetruth | May 18, 2008 5:10 PM

Didn't Terry McCauliffe & the DNC under the Clinton's control make the rules regarding the '08 nominating process? Now he & hillary want to change the rules because she is getting B E A T. Does this seem fair? Take care of N.Y. Senator. As for the sore losing women who say they won't vote for Obama, you deserve 8 more years of the republicans & their policies of ignoring the equal rights laws, non-enforcement of equal pay, anti-personal choice judges, etc.Go righ ahead a vote for McC, hell us white MEN can stand the relief.

Posted by: tlrasnic | May 18, 2008 5:22 PM

This is simple, folks. By the end of the primaries she will have proportionally more votes than now, and possibly more than Obama in total. With more votes, and with Obama not having a sufficient number of pledged delegates without the supers, she has an argument to make. The reason the Obama camp is so desperate to get her to fold her tent now is that she may have a legitimate claim to make for the nomination by the time of the convention, with more votes and neither candidate over the top on delegates. For her, other than the money factor, it would be pure idiocy to stop now. Ain't gonna happen.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | May 18, 2008 5:26 PM

As a woman and a mother, it's really discouraging to see so many women play the gender card, blaming the media for Hillary's loss. You just don't get it! Obama ran a better campaign and more people have voted for him because he has inspired so many which hasn't happened in a long, long time. He's no empty vessel.

So please, vote Obama in November. Why would you let the loss of your preferred candidate move you to the other side? Do you really want another four years of the disaster that's been Bush? McCain will be more of the same.

Posted by: kimtche | May 18, 2008 5:30 PM

Fair and square. Hillary continue on. At the end of it all, there is the need to unite and get a Dem in the White House to turn from continuation of nonsense.


Posted by: Obama2008 | May 18, 2008 5:30 PM

Why is it that Senator Clinton must drop out of a close nomination fight? Why must she get out so close to the end? Did anyone ever say that to Reagan when he ran against Ford? Did they say it to Ted Kennedy when he ran against Carter? Did the say it to Hart when he ran against Mondale? Why were they allowed to run to the end of the primaries without the media groundswell but she must drop out? Its one more attempt to demean the Senator and denigrate what she has accomplished as the first woman to win a primary. Senator Obama will be the nominee and I welcome it. The media and people like Mr. Greenberg won't have the cheap shot to throw up anymore. Anyone can say scandalous things about the Clintons. Its almost the national sport and there's no penalty for it. But take on Obama and his rabid supporters or McCain and his die hard base and the fight is on. The media has got the race it deserves and in a few weeks they will have to live with it.

Posted by: jennifer | May 18, 2008 5:35 PM

She's right: She is not going anywhere. Truer words...

Posted by: katman | May 18, 2008 5:37 PM

One more reason Hillary Clinton should keep her campaign going all the way to the convention- it's good for the Democratic party. It may help them in the future to recover from the debacle of the Obama loss in November to be able to say that half the party rejected his leftist platform, and that the party is more centrist than is indicated by Obama's nomination.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | May 18, 2008 5:38 PM

Clinton Supporter: Obama offends me. I don't know exactly why. Can I vote for you instead?

McCain: Well, sure, we accept girls in the Republican Party. Are you blonde, skinny, and mean like Coulter? We could also use a warm, emotive negro woman to focus the cameras on at the Convention.

Clinton Supporter: Don't push your luck, Buster. You're the lesser of two evils as far as I'm concerned.

McCain: The main thing is that we're both against Obama and committed to keep this country as it always has been, a safe place for property-owning white men!

Clinton Supporter: What about white women?

McCain: As I said, I've got nothing against girls. You aren't going to be asking me about health care or child care or peace, I hope!

Clinton Supporter: If I rally Clinton supporters for your cause, I've got to get something back, some policy or benefit that I care about. What can you give us?

McCain: Pro-Choice stuff is off the table. Let's get that clear right now. Your body belongs to your husband or your father. You were meant to procreate. Now, if we can move past that silliness, I can promise you that I won't raise your taxes, unless I need more money for defense. I will protect you and your children from terrorists, who would like nothing better than to kill white women and white children in America. Obama can't do that. As you know, he goes to sleep before 3 AM; but I'm old and insomniac. Think of me as your growling watch dog, listening for trouble and hungry for a fight.

Posted by: jchaney | May 18, 2008 5:39 PM

What's the problem this guy has with the American flag, anyway? What's that all about? I mean, why the big hang-up, he's running for friggin president isnt he?

Posted by: Geraldine | May 18, 2008 5:42 PM


In America, you don't have to wear an American flag pin to prove you're patriotic. You don't have to fly a flag in your yard. You don't have to take loyalty oaths or belong to a political party. I know a lot of patriots, and none of them go around wearing lapel pins. I know Christians who don't wear Christian tee-shirts. I even know Red Sox fans who don't wear Sox hats and jerseys every day. Those are superficial signs. You can bet that some people who wear flag pins are not at all patriotic at heart. The flag is great, but it is no substitute for thinking, for feeling, or for acting. It can too easily be used to hide corruption. I'm not going to vote for someone because they wear a flag or mention God in every sentence. In politics, those are merely symbols.

Posted by: jchaney | May 18, 2008 6:04 PM

Please explain why being a pig headed bore, a ruiner, the terminally last at the party, is a good thing?
To be admired?

And why is it no one has noted her campaign speeches, almost freakishly loaded with "I"..."I this, I think,, what I would do, say,think want know". The only other thought is how stupid/bad/wrong/mean to her everyone else is.

Should this seem too harsh, compare any other candidates, past or present, or any speech.

She has a problem of arrogance that the American people have disliked from day one. She'd have been a disaster, every negative playing out from day# 1 screaming and berating all the way.

Posted by: Lelee | May 18, 2008 6:15 PM

I find it interesting- Sen.Obama said that if he doesn't get elected it won't be because of his race but because he wasn't able to make the case for his candidacy. Hillary Clinton on the other hand blames her failure on sexism. This just reconfirms one of the great failings of the Clintons (both husband and wife) - their inability to take responsibility for their own actions.

Posted by: crazyv | May 18, 2008 6:30 PM

Obama has run the most divisive, calculated and underhanded campaign of any of the candidates, including both Republican and Democrat. Again, just as in his election to the Illinois senate where he hired lawyers to eliminate all of his opponents so that he could run unopposed, he has shown that he will go to any length to get elected.

Clinton has captured the majority of votes cast by voters ... and, the number of voters that have voted for Obama in the primaries and will vote for him in the general election IF he is the nominee is declining. Many voters in early primaries/caucuses are changing their minds -- Nebraska being a good example based on this past week's voting results in Nebraska.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 18, 2008 6:45 PM

The only reason Clintons are staying in the race is to recoup some of the $20 million plus they're in the hole. So, all you Hillary supporters PLE-E-E-E-E-EASE put your money where your mouths are.

Posted by: Joyce | May 18, 2008 7:01 PM

Five more opportunities to vote for Hillary and recognize her strengths, not her gender or race. Remember, it is not too late, despite what the pundits, DNC, superdelegates etc. are saying....If Hillary doesn't get the nomination please either encourage her to consider running w/the Independent Party or, if she remains loyal to the Democrat Party that has ignored her, use your American right to write in her name on the ballot. After I vote in the KY primary on May 20th, I'm going to change my party affiliation from a life-long Democrat to Independent. I have had it with our Party. Stay in it to the end because Obama will soon be exposed for the real "empty and dangerous suit" he is. We can save America, the land that we love...but not necessarily the Democratic Party.......Rise~Hillary~Rise!

P.S.Combined population of Oregon, Montana and South Dakota = 5,173,438
Combined population of Kentucky and Puerto Rico = 8,086,459
plus Florida & Michigan

Posted by: Kentuckian | May 18, 2008 7:02 PM

will Obama leave Now or November?

Posted by: JohnAdams1 | May 18, 2008 7:10 PM

The reason the media appeared to 'turn off' Hillary, following Indiana and N.C., is the usual reason the media does anything -- ratings. Everyone is bored with Obama vs. Clinton, the Media pick this up, Obama's campaign picks it up, sends him off to D.C. to make it look like a deal has been struck with the DNC, then he starts aiming his speeches at McCain.

Now Obama vs McCain, there's ratings for you! Already blood in the water.

I'm not sure Hillary's campaign could do much about this, except watch and admire how fluently Obama's campaign reflected and capitalized on the public mood.

The message has not been lost on McCain's people. No question which campaign team his would prefer to run against.

Posted by: Rob Bentley | May 18, 2008 7:13 PM

Yes, Hillary. We all know by now that you are a wicked spoiler, hell bent on helping McCain in the fall. The voters have spoken. You are a sore loser and you don't give a darn about the Democratic party. That's okay. The media should just ignore you as it did Huckabee. Thanks for living up to your reputation of ruthless, mean-spirited and do anything to win.
God bless. Good luck and Good night!

Posted by: Wanakee Hill | May 18, 2008 7:14 PM

Obama drew a crowd of 75,000 in Portland Oregon today. He has still got the magic!!!!

Posted by: AL | May 18, 2008 7:16 PM

So please, vote Obama in November. Why would you let the loss of your preferred candidate move you to the other side? Do you really want another four years of the disaster that's been Bush? McCain will be more of the same.

Posted by: kimtche |

No way. He is a liberal liar. His word has no value. He can't even keep a campaign promise.
You must be familiar with his campaign promise of being "above the fray", since you are a supporter. In the MSNBC debate he and Edwards attacked Hillary. Up to that point there was zero negativity in the campaign. He is a liar. He was not above the fray, he started the fray. How can you support a guy whose word is useless? He broke his word. This guy runs only on his word. That is all he has besides BS. His word no good he's no good, Period.

I will vote Repub the first time in my life. This guy doesn't deserve to be POTUS.

Posted by: Chief | May 18, 2008 7:18 PM

I am a Democrat, and I will vote for the Democratic candidate, even if I don't particularly like him or her. I will not vote for an old, grumpy man who wants to wage new wars and won't bring our boys home until 2013.

Posted by: Seneca | May 18, 2008 7:25 PM

She sure should stay in the race. With the emerging Larry Saunder story, including affadavits to CPD regarding the death of a gay Trinity church choir director who appeared to have knowledge of Saunder's sexual and crack cocaine encounters with BHO less than ten years ago, the fuse is lit for Barama's implosion. The only question is if it will occurs on HRCs watch or McCain's. That's why HRC may accept the VP slot; BHO may win it and resign en campaign.

Posted by: Harold Icky | May 18, 2008 7:33 PM

"Hillary still has a chance." Boy that sure is funny! Lets see who said no way to Hillary and yes to Senator Obama:


I guess when you have $109 million like Hillary has, you can afford to live in the land of Delusion!

Posted by: svbreeder | May 18, 2008 7:34 PM

If "Harold Icky" thinks Hillary can survive as VP or even as a Presidential candidate, then he hasn't heard about Huma Abedin and her 12 year relationship with Ms. Hillary. The media will have a lot of fun with that one.

Posted by: Huma Huma | May 18, 2008 7:39 PM

I heard that Teddy is giving Hillary a ride to the convention in Denver.

Posted by: Mako | May 18, 2008 7:39 PM

Correction: Osama Hussein drew a crowd of 75.000 because he organized a free concern around it with a very well known musician
in the area, do not distort the facts!!!!!!
we are not stupid. He has bought his support and the votes in caucuses, he is intimidating the SD his way. The THUG from
Chicago will go down in flames in Nov,
because he will not be able to buy the
electoral college votes.

Posted by: amurcia | May 18, 2008 7:47 PM

How can you support a party and some of the party pundits who keep on ignoring the will of people that the primaries should go on and they should not move the goal post?

That they should follow the rules of the book and that they should not mislead us to believe otherwise.

That the party is not for itself but the people.

Candidates who support the party in ignoring the say of people should not be re-elected.

Politicians of the party shouldm't be allowed to screw the voters again. Follow the rule and the nomination should be decided in the convention.

If you want to change it, do it formally in the convention. It is not a private company that any pundits can dictate over us.

Posted by: John_Lai | May 18, 2008 7:59 PM

What. Hillary actually asked the people who voted for her to support McCain. Though she made it look like a slip of the tongue, the lips had already spoken what is in her mind. She basically wants every democrat to vote for McCain so that she can make another run in 4 years. if Obama wins she may have to wait another 8 years. It will be pretty difficult for her to run 8 years later, since Bubba may not be able to campaign for her with one foot in the grave. Already Bubba is so grouchy, it is hard to visualize him in 4 years. hillary knows very well that if Obama loses the general election, he will not run again in 4 years. Obama should be very careful with the Clintons making rounds in the democratic political circles. Just like Tonya Harding, we won't know when Hillary and the gang will hit Obama's kneecap.

Posted by: Barbara Stone | May 19, 2008 12:38 AM

I was watching and listening to Hillary Clinton as she was giving her speech to some potential Kentucky voters. She was declaring that evry vote is important and that all States should be viewed as important in this nomination process. I think she meant to say that every vote for her is important and any State that she wins is important - because I do remember an earlier time when she tried to supress a block of voters in Nevada - and I do recall a time when she was saying that some States didn't count because they were not big States or they had a large Black vote. Oh yeah! Barack Obama won those States - how conveniently forgetful she can be.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 19, 2008 3:41 AM

Neither Obama nor Hillary can live up to voters expectations.Both have run their campaigns on shady lines invoking divisive things like caste, color and gender etc. to win votes. If anyone of them wins by chance, it would not augur well for the country and its unity.

Although, I see no saving grace in the Republican party or McCain, I shall be left with no other choice but to vote for McCain under the circumstances.

Democrats have done a great favor to the Republicans by fielding Obama and/or Hillary.

Posted by: intelliplus | May 19, 2008 4:44 AM

As a Democrat- I will NOT vote for Obama. I do not think he is experienced enough and I don't like his attitude of elitism, racism, condescention, and patronizing other Dems. I think he is way in over his head.
I have no faith in him, so I will stay home rather than vote for someone I don't like- just for the sake of the party.
I also don't like his racist, unpatriotic wife.

Posted by: CR | May 19, 2008 5:28 AM

In 2000 we got the extreme makeover by the religious consevatives. People soured finally, now to fix the grave mistake, in 2008 we are getting the swing of the pendulum to the opposite extreme with another well contrived idealistic fairytale of Obama.
Our woman hating society refuses to find the middle of moderation all the while grasping another swing of an empty pendulum called Obama.
I think all the surface-living, quick fixes,the American public wants it will get again because no one sees or learns from history.

Posted by: sabalenger | May 19, 2008 7:58 AM

Now the Republican Leadership is suddenly the "Party of Change". Reminds me of the incumbant Governor in the film "O Brother Where Art Thou" when the Governor's campaign managers suggested " We got to git some of that there "reform" for our campaign".

Voters do want change; they want a change from failed Republican "borrow and Spend" economics and "eternal war, go it alone foreign policy" and they want a change from high oil and health care prices and neglected infrastructure and just plain government incompetence in every department. They want schools that "teach instead of test" and they want the fundamentalists out of government policy, both domestic and foreign.

These Republicans simply aren't going to change their spots. They are out of touch and need replacement.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 19, 2008 8:17 AM

We are already sick of Obama, so Hillary stay in the race; even if you need to suspend the race after the primaries and until the convention.

Obama will wear out his welcome and the real democrats will need a candidate.

For sure we need a new democratic party and we need people who will build that.

If anyone needs proof of the failure of the so called new Obama democrats take a look at Montgomery County exec and council. They are running their own game and the citizens are in the dark about their land deals and budget.

Take a look at the 2006 dem elected to congress.---what has been the change. The new boss looks a lot like the old boss.
No backbone no change

take a look at democrat run local and state governments around the country. they is no different than the republicans run ones --- only friendlier. The glad handing is meant to deceive--

Posted by: JohnAdams1 | May 19, 2008 8:21 AM

rThose people who claim to be dems and do not want to vote for Obama, please go ahead and vote for McCain. And when your kid gets drafted to fight the 100 years war we will have with Iran, you can stand proudly as their body is returned home in a flag drapped coffin and quietly say to yourself "I sure showed Obama whose boss."

Posted by: Iraq Vet | May 19, 2008 9:21 AM

I'd like to see the video of Hillary's views about FL and MI primaries... from last December, when it was not necessary to keep her alive. I'd like to see it every 10 minutes on all the channels. I would then like to solicit responses from all the Hillary supporters, to get the "correct spin" on reality.
Meanwhile, I agree with IraqVet; a vote for McCain is a vote to kill your own children, and possibly grandchildren, and for what?!? This country has been in wars worth fighting, but they were long ago. This mess is greed, pure and simple. We are better than this.

Posted by: OldUncleTom | May 19, 2008 10:33 AM

@ Iraq Vet @

#Vote for Obama and see this country going the pathway of racial flareups and unrest.

#Vote for McCain and see this country carry on with Bush's failed policies.

#Vote for Hillary and see this country go over the hill.

America you never had such poor/limited choice in choosing your President.
God save America!

Posted by: Intelliplus | May 19, 2008 10:39 AM

I am a life long Republican. However, I did not vote for Nixon and I did vote for Bubba once.
Hilary, I don't want Bubba for a 3rd term.
Obama, Too inexperienced
McCain, just plain yuck
I can't wait until 2012, maybe it'll be better, if America still exists.

Posted by: lilstar | May 19, 2008 12:03 PM

Clearly, Hillary will continue to the convention as part of her strategy to ensure Obama's defeat so that she can run again in four years.

Posted by: Rambo | May 19, 2008 12:27 PM

Senator Clinton, you have until 4 June 2008. Then you're out! Done! Finished! Understand? Good!

Posted by: Black and Bitter like Coffee | May 19, 2008 12:35 PM

I remember last year, when all we heard on the news was , another i.e.d in iraq, another soldier killed, we couldnt wait to get a democrat in office,, not because of who we liked based on gender or race, but just to get these immoral criminal republicans out of office.We were a happy bunch when we won all the seats in congress. Now we have managed to divide ourselves to a point that has me wondering. How is it that of all candidates on this most important election, an election that will defitnetly affect the world all around us, we have somehow filled the democratic positions with candidates that all of sudden care more about fighting each other than attackin the culprits of all the lies and corruption in this country. It seems like someone is working for the republicans . And somehow when all this is over we will wonder again as the blatant fools we are....How this happen again ? All you so called democrats who would rather vote republican need to adjust to your new political party and just accept it.You are not for the democratic party..You are not for the people if youre voting for another rich rigth wing republican who will most defitnetly just make life harder ...why? because he's rich and well conected with the people who really run the show...what show is that you say? Just turn on the news and tell me what is on everyone's mind...Cleaning house and making things right? or The battle between the stupid democrats heats up!

Posted by: SeeingthrutheFog | May 19, 2008 1:08 PM

So desperate is she in her bid
to (again) be "the come-back kid,"
that she's become too blind to see
that we just don't want Hillary.

Posted by: poet | May 19, 2008 1:17 PM

To those calling for "change": be careful what you wish for because you might get more than you thought. What percentage of the population do you think wants to jolt the country to the Far Liberal Left - the promised land of Obama? A liberal has not won the presidency as long as any of us can remember. Even Bill Clinton was elected with under 50% of the vote, twice, and he was a moderate Democrat. Some people, unfortunately, seem to be buying into Obama's mantra that McCain will somehow carry on "Bush's failed policies." It's a fallacy to think that the election this fall will be about "no change" (McCain) and "change" (Obama). The election will be about what kind of change we want -

Posted by: BCWYWF | May 19, 2008 1:26 PM

West Virgina and Kentucky, Hillary needs your money. No, please don't send in your teeth you keep in the jar over there. No, there is no tooth Fairy. Oh, you have no money, just your votes?

NEXT !!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Greg | May 19, 2008 1:29 PM

Poet- I guess you have never learned to count. The we you mention is not the nearly 17,000,000 people who have come out and marked their ballot for Hillary Clinton. I don't argue who has more votes that count but more people have voted for Clinton than for any other primary candidate in history.

So the we really do want Hillary Clinton. They see her as the best candidate for President and the person with the best chance to beat McCain.

Now I am a passionate Clinton supporter, but if at the end of the primary campaign Barack Obama can get enough delegate votes to win the nomination I will support him. But until now neither he nor Clinton has managed to clinch the nomination.

To call for this brilliant woman who has attracted so many votes and brought so many new voters into the party to drop out before a candidate is choses is crazy. And if Obama supporters continue to do so they will find that many of the Clinton supporters will take their frustration out on Obama.

For someone like me who will vote for Obama if he is the candidate that is a shame. Obama needs Clinton more than any other person in the Democratic Party if he is to win. Edwards won't help and Kerry and Kennedy have shown they couldn't even convice the people in their own state to vote for Obama.

What Obama needs to do now is quiet such people as Poet, compliment Clinton in a way that isn't considered condescending to women, stop calling women "sweetie" as he did the other day, and begin to adopt some of the programs that Clinton has fought for and that have resonated with the Reagan Democrats that have voted for Clinton overwhelmingly and that he will need in November.

75,000 people in Portland won't get him one more electoral vote than winning Oregon by 1 vote will. He needs the swing states that Hillary has won. He needs Ohio, Michigan, PA, WV. Those are the states he will have problems with and only Clinton and former President Bill Clinton can really help him there.

So to all Obama supporters- cut the racist name calling- cut the hate- and realize you won't win alone without a healthy number of Clinton supporters.

Posted by: peter DC | May 19, 2008 1:40 PM

to those calling for "change": be careful what you wish for because you might get more than you thought. What percentage of the population do you think wants to jolt the country to the Far Liberal Left - the promised land of Obama? A liberal has not won the presidency as long as any of us can remember. Even Bill Clinton was elected with under 50% of the vote, twice, and he was a moderate Democrat. Some people, unfortunately, seem to be buying into Obama's mantra that McCain will somehow arry on "Bush's failed policies." It's a fallacy to think that the election this fall will be about "no change" (McCain) and "change" (Obama). The election will be about what kind of change we want -

Posted by: BCWYWF | May 19, 2008 1:26 PM


Read this article about how the media is portraying Obama as a "liberal". You might learn that Obama is not the liberal you maythink.


Posted by: sher | May 19, 2008 1:40 PM

# Obama is BLACK!

# Hillary is WHITE!

# McCain is COLORLESS!

Whom should America vote for????

Posted by: intelliplus | May 19, 2008 1:49 PM

No way. He is a liberal liar. His word has no value. He can't even keep a campaign promise.
You must be familiar with his campaign promise of being "above the fray", since you are a supporter. In the MSNBC debate he and Edwards attacked Hillary. Up to that point there was zero negativity in the campaign. He is a liar. He was not above the fray, he started the fray. How can you support a guy whose word is useless? He broke his word. This guy runs only on his word. That is all he has besides BS. His word no good he's no good, Period.

I will vote Repub the first time in my life. This guy doesn't deserve to be POTUS.

Posted by: Chief | May 18, 2008 7:18 PM

So you will vote Rep for the first time because you consider Obama a liar. What world do you live in? Hillary and McCain told no lies? You are not a democrat in the first place. You are a silly person who does not care about the issues like Supreme Court appointments and the War in Iraq and soon Iran if McCain and Lieberman get control.

Posted by: Greg | May 19, 2008 2:12 PM

Dear peter DC -

It's not that I haven't learned to count (I'm sure you weren't trying to be condescending....) It's just that I don't buy the fuzzy, "new math" HRC is trying to teach us. The point is this: If "we" wanted Hillary, she would be winning the nomination. She's not. This is not surprising given that some 50% of the country finds her unlikeable -- not a good start if you want to be the Pres. And not a good omen if you even want to be VP - HRC would be a ball and chain to Obama's candidacy. I'm hoping he picks Jesse Jackson. I'm glad that you're willing to overcome your convictions and will vote for Obama in the fall, though.

Posted by: poet | May 19, 2008 2:18 PM

Hey sher -

Looked at your link. Maybe others will find it more helpful than I dud. For example, I didn't find it particularly revealing that that BHO voted "Y" on "Roll Call 65. S. 4 Legislation to implement the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission/ Collins amendment to provide limited workforce protections and authorize a federal study of whether airport security screeners should have collective bargaining rights/On agreeing to the amendment Mar 07, 2007." All you really have to do is listen to his positions in the debates and look at who supports him. Is he embarrassed by the L word?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 19, 2008 2:28 PM

From Jackson Justice Watch.
A citizen group concerned with Justice, Law Enforcement and Education.

From the Birth Place of the Republican Party Jackson Michigan.
News about the Republican Parties leading officials and members are exposed.

Hello fellow American Citizens,
You decide which one of the following are the true criminals;
Deputies Jason Breining,Tim Schlundt,Duaine Pittman,Prosecutors Jessica Sutherland,Perry,Judge Justin,Attorney Tim Williams.

The following Court Records (case 08-3891-FY) and Evidence are available to veiw publically on and will prove that Jackson County Michigans corrupt Sheriffs Departments attempt to frame me Mr. Bengt V. Thulin first on four Felony Weapons charges.
When that failed they continued their attempt to frame me with two Misdemeanors for "Illegal possesion of a Signaling Device" and the law says that I was legal.
The Dash Cam Video does not show the two flare guns as loaded and the Jackson County Sheriffs Department deleted Three minutes and nineteen seconds of audio where the corrupt deputies talked about the fact that the flare guns were empty and also talked about how they were going to frame me.
They also stole $600.00 in the form of six one hundred dollar bills from me that I had in my money belt and I had photo copied them like I always do prior to securing them in my money belt. The Dash Cam Video from the Jackson County Squad Car will be on UTUBE cut into ten minute increments with links to it on this site page.
The Court Records and Evidence are photo's in this site page under "My Pics" as well.
I went to court on the 14th and 16th of May 2008. You can follow this cases progression on which is the courts own web site and on .
From the Corrupt Jackson County Sheriffs Deputies (Detective Tim Schlunt, Detective Duane M. Pitman and Deputy Jason Breining) to Prosecutor Jessica Sutherland P61467 and Prosecutor Perry to Judge Justin to my own Court appointed Lawyer Timothy Williams.
The Sheriffs Deputies Framed me.
The Prosecutors knowingly participated in the framining of me.
To Judge Justin refused to punish Jackson County Sheriff Deputy Captain Kevin Stellingworth who knowingly and willfully refused to obey the Subpeona to turn over the Dash Cam Video which proves I am innocent of the charges that I am being framed with.
Which makes Judge Justin and Captain Kevin Stellingworth Guilty of violating "MCL 750.478 Willful neglect of Duty".
For a better understanding of how they are framing me I have given posted comments to each one of these documents in "My Pics".
Please feal free to veiw and read them.
For Audio Proof Jackson Sheriffs attempt to set me up.
Now just go to www. myspace. com/jacktowntruthandjustice to listen to the recording of Sue Rose of Jackson Civil Process and myself while she tells me that according to Captain Kevin Stellingworth of the Jackson County Sheriffs Department I had to after 5 buisness days to walk in the front door of the Jackson County Sheriffs Department and pick up in person the Dash Cam Video that I had Subpeona'ed. The Court had Ordered him to deliver to me the Dash Cam Video according to the Subpeona signed by Judge Justin 4-28-2008.
The Subpeona clearly Ordered them to deliver it to me at my P.O. Box no later then May 7th 2008 .
They told them to tell me to pick it up in person when they had full knowledge of the fact that my Personal Recognicance Bond clearly stated that I can not enter the Jackson County Sheriffs Department.
They deliberately tried to set me up by getting me to violate my PR Bond. Veiw all the Evidence for yourself. Then decide.
I no that I am innocent. Now see it for yourselves.
Mr. Bengt V. Thulin
Ret. Court Officer State of Michigan
Jackson , Michigan

P.S. Check it out for yourself and you will see that I am telling the truth. Don't forget to sign in and veiw my PICS where I give notated comments on each document and how the Law was violated and show how the JSO tripped themselves up with their own lies.
Dash Cam Video is in my possesion by Subpoena and it has been altered by JSO and that is a Felony.
I intend to produce experts in Court to prove this.
The Prosecutor did not even show up Last Friday in Court for my hearing before Judge Justin.
My next Court date is May 27th 2008. Check the Court's Calander at for the time.
You all come on down and watch me make fools of those crooked Jackson County Sheriffs Deputies and Prosecutor.
Come to the free Wiilie protest as well on Thursday May 22, 2008 in front of the courthouse from 3:30 to 4:30.

Posted by: Jackson Justice Watch | May 19, 2008 2:36 PM

Is he embarrassed by the L word?

Posted by: | May 19, 2008 2:28 PM

Liberals are not elected Presidents. Moderate is much more realistic. Obama was listed 19 in the most liberal. All I am doing is sharing information the media keeps from the public. Draw your own conclusion.

Posted by: Sher | May 19, 2008 2:43 PM

I see, as usual, many posters who want Hillary to quit. So many are so angry at Hillary for continuing to fight on against what seem to be insurmountable odds. These, I suspect, are the voices of those among us who have never made a concerted effort to accomplish anything in life. They don't know the joy of achieviement, of a struggle well done and done with pride. They are the quitters and losers among us who want Hillary to become one of them. Gumption is not in their list of known words. Neither is fortitude and determination. But Hillary possesses these qualities in spades. These are the qualities, along with love of country, that is needed by anyone who aspires to be the President of the United States. Not only is she tough enough for the job, she knows how to present her ideas clearly and understandably to her people. She doesn't just offer change, she herself is change. When Obama finishes a speech everyone says wasn't that a great speech? Then they ask what did he say? Something about change is the answer. Some great presidential timbre that. No wonder so many want her to quit. She represents a challenge to Obamba his supporters fear the most. If only you didn't have that competent woman still here Obama wouldn't have a care in the world. Tsk Tsk poor guy.

Posted by: Chesterfield1 | May 19, 2008 3:03 PM

As a Democrat- I will NOT vote for Obama. I do not think he is experienced enough and I don't like his attitude of elitism, racism, condescention, and patronizing other Dems. I think he is way in over his head.
I have no faith in him, so I will stay home rather than vote for someone I don't like- just for the sake of the party.
I also don't like his racist, unpatriotic wife.

Posted by: CR | May 19, 2008 5:28 AM


Posted by: greg | May 19, 2008 3:12 PM

"Lockstep McSame, thinks country is going to elect another Millionare who could care less about the Middle Class/Students/Poor!

McSame trying his best to not look 71/old, out of step and out of time! Trying his best to "FOOL" American people over what we have all read in the great Washingtonpost, "LETS MAKE A DEAL" McCain, as he recieved kickbacks for his good "DEALS to the Rich on land grabs of our land to the rich who then buy the land through "Millionare McCain who they then sell back to the Government for Millions in Profits and slide Millionare McCain some of it to help him get elected!


We must remember McCain's voting record of turning down Expanding Health Care for Kids of the Working Poor, and for Voting against the New G.I. Bill that would have helped our Brave men and Women, "Whom McCain sent to die and get killed in IRaq and Afganistan, he just doesn't want to pay for the injuried American's he got hurt and killed, just like a good republican always does, sends them and leaves them on their own, and waves that flag everytime an Election comes around!

In conclusion, folks, "I'vote for either Hillary if she gets it which I hope she does and if not, "I'll vote for Obama, anybody but another republican, "We've seen what they have done, and their record is MESS/Disaster/Criminal, enough said."

Posted by: Tommy Birchfield | May 19, 2008 3:23 PM

Hillary may indeed be the stronger candidate, but the media is doing a great job of portraying her unwillingness to drop out as an ugly character flaw and not a strength. She's beginning to look more like a dog that's been shot and is now dragging his hind legs to get to his beloved master for one last show of affection. Even if she were the candidate, she can't be president at this point. She's already been painted in five shades of pathetic.

Posted by: dcp | May 19, 2008 3:33 PM

*Sigh* More demands that Clinton quit, get out, go away and stop bothering us. More angry rants telling the non-Obamaniacs to stay home in November. And, of course, the oh-so-clever hillbilly jokes about teeth and lack thereof.

Yup, these must be the true supporters of the "unity" candidate. I just hope the Obama version of unity does't turn out to be like the Bush version of "compassionate conservatism".

Posted by: citizenjane | May 19, 2008 3:58 PM

Anyone who says they will vote republican if their democratic candidate doesn't win should be smacked upside the head. (mostly HRC supporters) You are ignorant, stupid, selfish, and most likely racist.
Either way you shouldn't f things up for everyone else because you're a sore loser.
Grow up or become republicans. A-holes!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 19, 2008 4:15 PM

*Sigh* More demands that Clinton quit, get out, go away and stop bothering us. More angry rants telling the non-Obamaniacs to stay home in November. And, of course, the oh-so-clever hillbilly jokes about teeth and lack thereof.

Yup, these must be the true supporters of the "unity" candidate. I just hope the Obama version of unity does't turn out to be like the Bush version of "compassionate conservatism".

Yeah, the hillbilly jokes, the demands for Hilliary to quit and now the complaints by you about the Obama version of unity.


Posted by: . | May 19, 2008 4:21 PM

When you're clinging to the tips of the eagle's right wing, the middle of the bird looks frighteningly far left.

Posted by: Voice of Reason | May 19, 2008 4:32 PM

I'm a woman who's sick and tired of Hillary's complaints about the media. Did the media make her

1) lie about Bosnia sniper fire?
2) mismanage her campaign funds to the tune of 20 million dollars (how can someone who can't manage 200 million of her campaign manage 200 trillion for the nation?)?
3) attack her opponent in all kinds of undignified ways, including race-baiting?

Think about it. It's a good thing the country found out how bad she is at all these things during the primary.

Now Hillary, please step down. You are not my sister, any more than Pilate was Jesus's brother. Our common gender is not enough.

Posted by: Kate | May 19, 2008 4:59 PM

Hillary actually said she believes her supporters should vote for John McCain. She did not misspeak, this is what the Clintons seem to hope will occur. Some media pundits have openly discussed the possibility the Clintons hope Barack will lose the election this year, that Democrats will not remember Hillary's role in undermining his chances, so she can be a candidate for president again in four years.

Posted by: CaIndependent | May 19, 2008 5:08 PM

If Mrs. Clinton is still substantially behind in total delegates when the last primary votes are counted on June 3, her only realistic choice will be to withdraw from the race by the end of that week at the latest. If she decides to continue the battle right through to the convention, she risks dividing the party and detracting from its focus on wiinning the November election. Clinton's pandering to racial prejudice in certain primary states (e.g. Pennsylvania, Ohio, West Virginia and Indiana) has already inflicted deep wounds on the Democratic Party at a time that it should be uniting to defeat McCain and the Republicans. By prolonging her losing campaign, she risks exacerbating the divisions that she and her campaign strategists have created. A more astute and mature politician would have bowed out by now and would have done his/her best to obscure the understandable bitterness of impending defeat with a display of grace and class coupled with a public statement of unequivocal support for the presumptive nominee. Should Mrs. Clinton decide to pursue her fight to the convention floor, she risks doing irreparable damage not only to the electoral prospects of Senator Obama and the Democratic Party but to her own reputation within the party and the nation. As someone who has been described as 'the most powerful woman in U.S. politics', Mrs. Clinton is currently displaying a hubris-tinged weakness that one usually associates with sore losers. Even if she does not get a second chance to pursue her party's presidential nomination, such potentially destructive bitterness certainly is not the legacy that a woman of her stature would wish to leave to future generations of women politicians.

Posted by: Missy Robertson-McMurchy | May 19, 2008 5:21 PM

Let's be honest for once hillary...

You're staying on until Obama agrees to retire your debt.

That must be some tasty kool-aid she serves up, hmm?

Meanwhile Obama is on to the national campaign for the general election.

Vote Obama in '08!

Posted by: JBE | May 19, 2008 5:38 PM

"...not going anywhere"


Posted by: Kase | May 19, 2008 5:40 PM









Posted by: Obamamama | May 19, 2008 6:18 PM

I am a former Obama supporter. When he first came on the scene, he inspired me with his message of hope and change. Then, when I started finding out more about him, his armor started to rust. First, I realized that he was routinely dishonest about many things. He says he doesn't accept money from special interests, but then I found out that he uses the same fundraising method developed by Karl Rove for George Bush, called "bundling." This gets around the PAC rules, but it's still special interest money. He has received upwards to $100,000,000 by this method so far. Also, a friend of mine turned me on to the story of how he stabbed his friend and political mentor, Alice Palmer, in the back to gain his first office. The more I found out, the more he looked like the typical politician, except probably worse. Then, when I found out he attended a racist and anti-American church for 20 years, and considered the racist and anti-American pastor to be his "mentor and spiritual adviser," that was enough for me. Now, I will vote for Hillary Clinton, if she is the Democratic nominee, and if she is not, I will vote for John McCain. Obama, fool me once . . .

Posted by: I've Seen The Light | May 19, 2008 6:19 PM

Why does the media keep covering this silly, pathetic woman who said anything and did anything to try to get the nomination. It didn't work and now it's over. Now move on.

Posted by: Checkered.1 | May 19, 2008 6:27 PM

Well she got that right, she isn't going anywhere! But the Super Delegates and voters are and it's not towards her!

Posted by: Sue F | May 19, 2008 6:40 PM

I'm an Obama supporter who supports Clinton to stay in until the end of the primaries. How much do we need to rehash this? Almost every day the debate continues.

Clinton's not leaving before June 3. At this point, why shouldn't she go until the end? It's just a couple more weeks.

I don't think her continued campaigning will change the likelihood that Obama will be the Democratic nominee.

And for those Democrats here who say they won't vote for Obama if he's the nominee, it's a shame you're letting your bitterness consume you. Get over yourselves.

Posted by: Will in Greenfield | May 19, 2008 7:20 PM

Women versus African-Americans! Are we REALLY surprised we've arrived to this level of analysis? I, for one (as a liberal white man), stand by my sisters. If you review the website for the leading organization for women (National Organization of Women) you CLEARLY see their choices to fight not only for women's rights, but the rights of African-Americans, gay people, etc (the sections are easily seen and identified). If you visit the leading African American organization's website (National Association for the Advancement of Colored People) you do NOT find clear choices that support women's rights, gay rights, etc. Their subsections speak of youth, education, etc. but they don't seem to care for women or gays (not even black women or gays). The choice, while quite regrettable, is simply clear...women simply appear to more broadly fight for a range of oppressed peoples while the leading African Americans have not. As a pastor who cares about ALL people (and especially all people suffering from oppression) I must stand by the one who represent the hopes and dreams of women...and all oppressed peoples. I stand by Hillary...Hillary for President for '08! May God be with us all during this difficult time of discernment.

Posted by: gaypastor | May 19, 2008 10:52 PM

When our primary came around, I voted for Hillary; thinking that this troubled country was more in need of a mechanic than a poet to lead us out of the Bush morass.

A week later, she proclaimed in the Ohio (I think) debate that she would not speak to anyone (Raoul Castro) who did not agree with her before they spoke - a pandering promise to continue the moronic Bush foreign policy.

Since then, she has progressively descended into ever more brainless positions as she desperately tried to find a way to promote herself -- that's all it's about - me, me, me, me.

In March, I would have delighted in the prospect that she might become president -- now she has given me cause to regret my vote - something that I've very rarely experienced.

In the interim, Mr. Obama has remained consistent and reasonable. His response to the initial Wright story was a brilliant speech for the ages on race in America. He has resisted the temptation to answer pandering with pandering - no photo-op chugging contests, no tax holidays that benefit only the mega-corps, just steady on course.

Of the three remaining real candidates, (no, "unsafe-at-any-time" Nader, "half-right" Barr and loony McKinney don't count) Obama is the only one who has shown that character to stand resolute to his principles in the face of the the disgusting maelstrom of rubbish that seems to be the fate of any modern election.

Posted by: Fred in Georgia | May 19, 2008 10:55 PM

Candidate Clinton stating that she would obliterate Iran is merely an embarassment and a suck-up to Jewish voters. A president Clinton stating the same thing could be considered an act of war. Do we really need her and her husband trotting around the world recklessly shooting off their mouths? We can do better with either McCain or Obama.

Posted by: George Robertson | May 19, 2008 11:51 PM

O wait, no, she cannot stop til she makes the convention a Drama Queen Nightmare, sues the DNC for gender discrimination, and has Obama pay her campaign debts, maybe including the one that national AFSCME has run up in this divisive and disappointing primary season. Do not stop ever. Don't collaborate with your party's majority. Pretend you are the right person for the job. Keep on keeping on and let's get all the rage and victim speak on the table. You can star in the general election ads on behalf of the Republican candidate. Your enraged feminist supporters can write in your name. Don't stop now. Don't stop after the primaries. Goddess knows you couldn't if you wanted to.

Posted by: Gaias Child | May 20, 2008 4:07 PM

and garlic; and syphilis; and all the other things you can't get rid of

Posted by: i love hillary | May 20, 2008 9:40 PM

I have followed the Clintons since the late 80's and I really think she wants one of three things.
One: VP slot (not going to happen)
Two: Senate Majority Leader (Might happen)
Three: President in 2012 (Can't happen)

Clintons are anything if they are not arrogant, but this last one is so off the mark.

If Obama wins in November, Clinton is ancient history in 2012, and by 2016 no one will remember the 90's.

If Obama looses in November, Clinton will get the blame from about 50% of Democrats under the age of 60. Most of whom will not want to see her with the nomination in 2012. The name Hillary will still have a "bitter" taste their mouth.

Posted by: Hillary 2012 | May 21, 2008 11:20 AM

With the number of delegates left to fight over can Obama reach the ' tainted 'number of 2,026 ? The answer is no.

With the number of delegates left to fight over can Hillary Clinton reach the
' tainted' number of 2,026 ? The answer is no.

Both candidates under these circumstances have equal claim and argument to say they are deserving of the victory. On the other hand, there is no fight left to decide who is the legitimate and definitive winner.

A party cannot enter into a general election with a candidate for President who is neither legitimate nor deserving. Thats the first lesson in Elections 101.

So, who wants to play God and choose the winner ? There is this little thing of 2.3 million votes in Florida and Michigan that can be used to tip the balance.Counting all these votes would be the most logical, correct and democratic thing to do.

If all the votes are counted, the mystery will be solved. Its that simple.

Unless there is a God walking around who can say " thou is the winner " its best that us ordinary humans count all the votes to fgure the problem out.Let the two candidates fight to the bloody end. Thats the only way a candidate can be legitimate and deserving to say they are the nominee.

In the meantime I'll keep looking for a God around here who can end this primary race today !

Posted by: Gus C | May 21, 2008 1:46 PM

Sadly, the HRC situation is beginning to look more and more like an "Old Yeller" scenario. To wit: what do you do with the old beloved family dog once it has become hopelessly and irretrievably rabid? The time has come for the so-called super delegates to exercise a modicum of moral authority and coax her from the stage with a sweeping endorsement of Obama. They may be the party's (and the nation's) last hope of a deus ex machina intervention in the third act of a Greek tragedy that looks and sounds more and more like Medea each minute.

Posted by: Kevin | May 22, 2008 9:12 AM

I will not vote for dems unless all the votes in FL. and Mich are counted.I know that this may be difficult for an educated Obama supporter to understand, but I'm relying on your common sense rather than some banal theory you may have learned in community college. We need to COUNT ALL VOTES IN FL. & MICH. before BHO claim victory set aside choosing vice!!

Posted by: angry democrat | May 22, 2008 12:12 PM

She cheats and it's known. You think the whole world is not watching what's going on in America. If you don't think so, consider this. After the 2000 election, do you know how many Supreme Courts in difference countries got involved in their country's electorate fights? Who wants a cheater to be the POTUS. No treaties, no promises, no leader in this whole world will believe anything she says. Who would negotiate a treaty with someone who has no qualms about changing the game in the middle of the rules when it doesn't benefit her.

Posted by: OkIhavesomethingtosay | May 22, 2008 6:53 PM

Don't pop the champagne yet guys!!! The fight is not over...

In most inclusive count, Clinton has the numbers Lost in the excitement of Barack Obama's coronation this week was an inconvenient fact of Tuesday's results: Hillary Clinton netted approximately 150,000 votes and is now poised to finish the primary season as the popular-vote leader. In some quaint circles, presumably, these things still matter.

Real Clear Politics keeps track of six versions of the popular-vote total. They are, in ascending order of inclusivity: (1) the popular vote of sanctioned contests; (2) the total of sanctioned contests, plus estimated votes from the Iowa, Nevada, Maine and Washington caucuses; (3) the popular vote plus Florida; (4) popular vote plus Florida and the caucuses; (5) the popular vote plus Florida and Michigan; (6) popular vote plus Florida, Michigan, and the caucus estimates.

After Tuesday, Clinton now leads in two of these six counts. If you believe that the most important precept in democratic politics is to "count every vote," then the sixth category is the most inclusive, and here Clinton leads Obama by 71,301 votes. Of course, this includes the Michigan result, where Sen.

Obama had removed his name from the ballot. So while it may be the most inclusive, it may not be the most fair.
The third and fourth counts - the ones which include Florida - seem more fair.

Here, Obama is clinging to a slight lead of 146,786 votes (257,008, with the caucus estimates). However, with Puerto Rico, Montana, and South Dakota remaining, he will almost certainly finish behind her in these counts, likely by a few hundred thousand votes.

Posted by: The Wiser Choice | May 23, 2008 9:52 AM

Much has been made about the white, hard working, rural worker not voting for Sen. Obama. for a number of real or imagined reasons. Yet, next to nothing is being said about the Black vote, except that Sen. Obama gets 92% of the Black vote. Conversly, doesn't that mean that a Hillary Clinton nominee would have a problem with Black voter greater than that of Obama with rural Whites? As a Black women and Obama supporter, I can tell the DNC and media to wake up. We hear the insults and we will not just vote for Hillary if the nomitation is stolen from Obama. We will not stand by while our vote is taken for granted and our loyalty is mocked. Let's see Hillary win in the general election without the Black vote. Can't be done. Someone needs to remind America that this is the Democratic Party, not the Republican Party ... although, if you are listening to Hillary and McCain lately, it is hard to tell the difference. Blacks are insulted and Hillary's attacks are the reason we won't vote for her. Sorry Bill!

Posted by: Virginians for Obama | May 23, 2008 12:06 PM

Just one question. How many votes are you willing to credit to Obama. Can you honestly suggest that he should get nothing in Michigan? Now who is being honest? If you give him a honest portion of the votes in both FL and MI, again he wins the popular vote. That is why Hillary is demanding that she get ALL of the delegates in both states and that he get none. Is this really the kind of Presidential sense of fairness we want. I suggest that you Hillary supporters come up with a fair division of the popular vote. If you do, in all metrics, Hillary loses. It is just reality ... don't they have that in Hillary Land?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 23, 2008 12:16 PM

Billary will game the game to their advantage every time. Filegate, Pardongate, Whitewater. Obama is playing nice by not bringing those up. He allows her career to continue, the tension and media domination to linger. This is about airtime. Carefully managed air time. When will the issues be discussed? None of them want to discuss the financial crisis, the war crisis, the real estate disasters, the real rate of inflation due to the petrodollar (look it up and spend 20 minutes), alternative fuels, or the quagmire they've all made of their own parties.

Posted by: DSB | May 23, 2008 12:24 PM

Why is Hillary staying in the race all the way to the convention?

Perhaps she know that Barack Hussein Obama is unelectable.
Perhaps she knows that the republicans are planning to expose the real Barack, and once we know who Barack really is, there is no way americans will vote for him.

The superdelegates need to support Hillary for the democratic nomination or else........lose the election to the patriot John McCain.

Barack Hussein Obama is a Trojan horse.....he seems safe, harmless and he offers peace and unity....., BUT he has no substance and is hollow and just like a Trojan Horse it hides and brings within him supremacist and radical extremist groups waiting for the night to come before they get out of the Trojan Horse to slaughter the people and sacked the cities.

Take a look at what is inside the Obama Trojan Horse:

Read an example of one of their goals:
XII. We will fight for reparations. 

Reparations is a well-established principle of international law that should be applied in the U.S. Historically, the U.S. has been both the recipient and disburser of reparations. As the descendants of enslaved Africans, we have the legal and moral right to receive just compensation for the oppression, systematic brutality and economic exploitation Black people have suffered historically and continue to experience today. Thus, we seek reparations from the U.S. for:

a. its illegal assault on African peoples during the slave trade;

b. its exploitation of Black labor during slavery, and

its systematic and totalitarian physical, economic and cultural violence against people of African descent over the last four centuries. 

Hillary Clinton for President of the United States of America!
The only choice for the Democratic Party!

Posted by: Manolete | May 24, 2008 10:45 AM

What was James A. Miller thinking in that HILLARY CLINTON for SUPREME COURT Op-Ed piece. He makes it sound like an original idea. Only problem, it's been written and talked about for months.

Posted by: Harold Iskin | May 25, 2008 4:14 PM

I was driving in a small truck in New York City when I heard the news about RFK. In 1968 Dr. King was murdered as was RFK.

The legacy of what they stood for is being spit on now.

The present Democratic candidates in this election cannot stand in the shoes of either of these giants. I supported RFK & Dr. King for who they were and what they stood for. Race & Gender played no part. The American Press & some individuals have used the misinterperted words of Mrs. Clinton as some pretext to insult our collective intelligence. Come November I am voting for the person who is most qualified to be President no matter what color or gender.

What has embarassed me most was the tirade of a so called news man on MSNBC. Personally I think MSNBC should terminate his contract for what was not news by any standard of deciency.

Norman S

Posted by: N Solow | May 25, 2008 6:51 PM

This election has become a joke. I have always voted Democrat but not this time. If Obama gets the nomination I will vote for McCain. Obama does not deserve this nominatin. Everything has been handed to him on a silver platter by the media right from the beginning. What is he going to do when he's up against McMain? Maby he can send his wife after the Republicans, she's pretty scarry. I can not imagin that woman being the first lady of our country. To top it all off, the media has the audasity to compare her to Jackie Kennedy. Thats an even bigger joke than this campagine. Hillary all the way!

Posted by: sunfire1 | May 25, 2008 7:58 PM

Obama's Gallup Poll Lead Shrinking, Clinton 5 Ahead of McCain

May 25, 2008
Gallup Daily: Clinton Maintains Lead Over McCain Obama has 5-point lead over Clinton among Democrats

PRINCETON, NJ -- Gallup Poll Daily tracking from May 20-24 finds Hillary Clinton maintaining a significant 49% to 44% lead over John McCain when registered voters are asked about their preferences for the fall general election, while McCain has a slight 47% to 45% advantage over Barack Obama.

Posted by: Skeptical Voter | May 25, 2008 10:25 PM

Hey, a light note from the Obamacan--Pooh and his jar of honey. Lovely.
Am I missing a subtle point here?

Posted by: sybil | May 25, 2008 11:36 PM

Someone has released a copy of Hillary Clinton's bedtime prayer. Here it is:

"Now I lay me down to sleep;
I pray the Lord my soul to keep.
Keep me safe through all the drama -
Just let someone shoot Obama!"

Posted by: Biographer | May 26, 2008 8:04 PM

Here are the facts for all to see and read..anyone who thinks rationally can only conclude that Obama is a phoney and a Liar !

Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a Black Muslim from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white ATHIEST from Wichita, Kansas.

Moderate Muslims can no longer tolerate Obama. He and his wife are haters for his wife to say that this country is no good and this country has never been good to her. Obama should denounce his Pastor Jeremiah Wright, who has connections with Louis Farrakhan, along with him being friends with that underground guy William Ayres who he says is his friend after he bombed the Pentagon in1972, he received money from William Ayres, and this guy is way worse than Mark Rich.

Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii. When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced. His father returned to Kenya. His mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia. When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocated to Indonesia. Obama attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta. He also spent two years in a Catholic school. Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim.

He is quick to point out that, "He was once a Muslim, but that he also attended Catholic school." Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct influence over his son's education. Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta. Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world. The terrorists that crashed into the Twin Towers were once all enrolled in the study of Wahabism..just as Obama was!!

Since it is politically expedient to be a CHRISTIAN when seeking major public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background.

Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected Presidential candidacy. The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the inside out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the President of the United States, one of their own!!!! ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office - he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Kuran (Their equivalency to our Bible, but very different beliefs) Obama also refuses to pledge allegiance to the USA flag.

How can someone who wants to be President refuse to commit to the USA? Before you vote for any candidate, remember how many people are disgusted with Obama's autobiography!!!!

Voters be cautious in this crucial election that means so much to the USA and the free world.

Posted by: The Brutal Truth | May 26, 2008 11:51 PM

We say that Hilliary is the strongest candidate. I think Barack is stronger because he is being a gentleman and taking Hilliary and Bill's abuse. If Obama took Hilliary on, it would be said "Did you see how this black man talked to this white woman?" He would be catching it from all sides. He cannot win any way that he goes. Hilliary is using Clinto name recognition. I would like someone to lay out all of this experience that she has. I was a Human Resources Supervisor, and none of them have the specialized experience required for the job. They all have related experience. The specialized experience would require more than any of the three have. Hilliary take your loss like a woman and quit causing racial and gender division.

Posted by: RUTH LYONS | May 27, 2008 1:20 AM

I have been giving Hillary the benefit of the doubt thinking that surely no one in her position would mean the outrageous things she has been saying and staying in the race was her right.

I've now come to believe as a matter of personal opinion that she is in this race for no other reason than to destroy the dems chances in Nov., if this isn't her goal then she and her husband are sure doing a good job of it.

Posted by: JR | May 27, 2008 2:08 PM

The Brutal Truth

Looks like you've been scouring the anti- Obama propoganda sites.

There is so much incorrect with your post I don't even know where to begin.

People, try to examine the facts and not give in to the fear-mongers, they will lie.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 27, 2008 2:13 PM

I know this will sound like a conspiracy theory so judge for yourself.

After Clinton's loss in Iowa she needed a win-badly but the polls in New Hampshire showed she was down by some 10 points on the eve of the election. Rarely is a poll within the error margin of 10 points. But surprise!, Hillary, the comeback kid wins in a huge point swing. Apparently some watchdog activists were smart enough to videotape the way the ballots were handled and I gotta say, these officials on video look like the cat that ate the canary, they sometimes just look dumbfounded and at a loss for an explanation.

take a look at the link below

Posted by: JR | May 27, 2008 2:24 PM

This one's great, talk about the hand in the cookie jar!

Posted by: JR | May 27, 2008 2:40 PM

I confess I'm bewildered by the number of women who are voting for Clinton simply because she's a woman and for no other reason. She has an unbelievable sense of entitlement which her supporters accept without question. Why? Why exactly is she entitled to country-wide acceptance as THE Democratic candidate? What exactly is so extraordinary in her CV that, after more questionable gaffes involving truthfulness and integrity that I can count, those who question her abilty for the job are fanged as followers of the anti-Christ? I believe a lot of people who are not going to vote for her would love to see a woman President, but not this woman. The turn-off is not what sex she is, simply what she is.

Posted by: Sasha | May 29, 2008 9:34 PM

Hillary Clinton wouldn't be what she is now if she was not the wife of a former US president. This attached and non- instrinsic prestige does not qualify the lady for US presidency nor even the Senate.
I do not see her any different from any usual housewife in this country.The proper place for this arrogant and presumptuous lady is her kitchen,not the white house.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 5:24 PM

Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights
3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 3:08 PM

Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights
3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 3:11 PM

Well Sasha, if your a man then you need to wake up to reality. This isn't the 1800s where women are to be kept only to cook and have kids. We now have the right to vote and go out and work for ourselves. Also its not like we have no say in anything in this country. Lets not forget if it wasn't for us all you arrogant men wouldn't be here because we are the ones that have to carry kids for 9 months. We're stronger and smarter than men and if you don't believe me look it up online. There are tests saying we are smarter. Women are independent and whoever thinks that we shouldn't run for president are sexist pigs. ONE DAY A WOMAN WILL BE PRESIDENT WHETHER YOU PIGS WANT THERE TO BE ONE OR NOT!!! So get a life or rather wake up you idiot, we are in the year 2008, and we have rights just like men so back off. And if you don't like it then Hilary should be an independent.

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