The Trail: A Daily Diary of Campaign 2008

So now they are issuing warrants for owning gold and silver coins? Seriously?... Do they ever think about spending tax monies on something worthwhile?

They have a gold necklace! - Get'em boys!!! :D

This is further evidence that the Federal Government and The Fed are nothing but criminal enterprises. Ron Paul in 2008!

The liberty dollar has been around since 1998... it is used by merchants, but ever since the mint "warning" last year it has been less popular. Plus, getting people to accept that money made of silvedr is more valuable than money made of paper is not the slam dunk one would expect it to be.

As a consequence of the raid, Liberty Dollars are very scarce. On ebay the Ron Paul Libertys are going for $300-$500 each! Many people are scrambling to get Liberty Dollar Certificates so that they can join the class action lawsuit (as the silver backing the certificates were confiscated in the raid.) The store that sells collectable Libertys (going back to 1999) is having a liquidation sale- http://www.LibertyDollarUSA.com And with no more being minted until the end of any legal proceedings, it may be quite awhile before the prices of Libertys come back down. Even common Libertys are going on ebay for $40-$50!

Although I applaude the aim of removing the privately owned Fed, this alone will not solve the problem of bankers controlling everything. Australia has a government owned version of the Fed but around 90% of all money here isn't printed; it is simply debt to banks created via fractional reserve banking. This process allows ALL banks to create money out of thin air and until this practice is phased out nothing will change. If you allow banks to create money this in this way they can simply buy back any power that has been taken from them.

"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers."
- Thomas Pynchon

Its telling that the government has a problem with a fake currency that is actually backed by something (gold, silver, etc.) instead of their piece of crap that is backed by debt and more debt and more debt, and printed out of thin air by the billions every year.

Would the real counterfeiter please stand up!

If he was in a grave, Hunter Thompson would be rolling over in it.

We miss you more than ever now, old friend.

The government does not like competition.

Ha! Ron Paul forever!

Down with the statists!

Fortunatly I did not purchase a Paul coin or I would be more annoyed than I already am.

People bought the commerative and the novelty was fully 100% insured at the small business and the Feds came and confiscated insurance ?

Geesh. Why don't they go to the bowling alley or skating rink and pick up some shoes and everyone can walk home barefooted.

I did and you can too ; write a polite note the Board of the Federal Reserve.

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The Ron Paul coin seizure was alarming.

Many people do not trust the Federal Reserve with their money. I would assume your organization attracts a few bad apples who use the knowledge and data bases to enrich themselves.

On the same token , I'm sure there are honest Americans on the Boards.

The seizure of the 'currency' fuels the flames.

If I take my gold ring to a privately owned grocery store and the owner and I decide the ring is worth 100.oo dollars and will let me use the ring to purchase 100.oo worth of food ; would you seize the store ? Or my groceries ?

You control billions and worldwide banking is not in the interests or many Americans. Many would like to buy American products with US currency. We don't know what that is anymore or will be in the future.

And up there on the 100th floor , you think you do ?

Quit angering the proletariat. They read the records of your personal worth. Their collectables are measly in comparison. Or should I say there total gross production to date compared to one of your bank accounts ?

I'm sure they will reformat their product if required and be back in business soon.

I wouldn't mind owning a Paul Coin along with my other paltry items. Or a few of the copper ones I can use as a token is Dr. Paul soda machine.

Food for thought with your caviar and champagne.....

I'm not the one who decided to privatize everything to profit a few.

Quit making these people mad.

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Maybe I'll write the SBA too and you could try the better business bureau. I'd be mad too if I knew I could not go to the business and ask for a refund.

Where did they take the collateral ? You could find out and submit a written request for an EQUAL refund as apparently their business is currently operated by others who hold the collateral for the product you purchased.

I'e never seen the warranty for the novelty collectables so I don't know how one can trade or cash them in.

If the contract is binding you could report the theft to your local Sheriff or local deposit insurance company or you ask the FDIC their opinion.

I don't know but it appears to be a political problem.

Fortunatly I did not purchase a Paul coin or I would be more annoyed than I already am.

People bought the commerative and the novelty was fully 100% insured at the small business and the Feds came and confiscated insurance ?

Geesh. Why don't they go to the bowling alley or skating rink and pick up some shoes and everyone can walk home barefooted.

I did and you can too ; write a polite note the Board of the Federal Reserve.

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The Ron Paul coin seizure was alarming.

Many people do not trust the Federal Reserve with their money. I would assume your organization attracts a few bad apples who use the knowledge and data bases to enrich themselves.

On the same token , I'm sure there are honest Americans on the Boards.

The seizure of the 'currency' fuels the flames.

If I take my gold ring to a privately owned grocery store and the owner and I decide the ring is worth 100.oo dollars and will let me use the ring to purchase 100.oo worth of food ; would you seize the store ? Or my groceries ?

You control billions and worldwide banking is not in the interests or many Americans. Many would like to buy American products with US currency. We don't know what that is anymore or will be in the future.

And up there on the 100th floor , you think you do ?

Quit angering the proletariat. They read the records of your personal worth. Their collectables are measly in comparison. Or should I say there total gross production to date compared to one of your bank accounts ?

I'm sure they will reformat their product if required and be back in business soon.

I wouldn't mind owning a Paul Coin along with my other paltry items. Or a few of the copper ones I can use as a token is Dr. Paul soda machine.

Food for thought with your caviar and champagne.....

I'm not the one who decided to privatize everything to profit a few.

Quit making these people mad.

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Maybe I'll write the SBA too and you could try the better business bureau. I'd be mad too if I knew I could not go to the business and ask for a refund.

Where did they take the collateral ? You could find out and request a refund as apparently their business is currently operated by others who hold the collateral for the product you purchased.

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."
-- Henry Ford

Folks should read Murray Rothbard's "What has the government done to our money" a free book of about 70 pages or so. On what this is all about, read part III on the compulsory monopoly of the mint, and how inflation is the tool banking cartels, Wall Street profiteers, and (politicians) governments.

Then you'll understand why they are so threatened by this, even if the henchmen at the FBI haven't a clue about what they are doing is an abomination against freedom and the constitution they purport to defend.

They know this is bogus, but it doesn't matter. They will just drag out litigation until the defendant dies or runs out of money. Government agencies do crap like this all of the time, from traffic violations on up. They have infinite resources, and defendants don't, but it inflicts the desired punishment and has a chilling effect on anyone else who might get the notion to try something similar. All tyrants operate under color of law.

No crime was committed nor have they been charged. I am glad I was able to get a Ron Paul silver before they were robbed.

Ron Paul will win the Primary. He dominates in Straw Polls, Debate Polls, Fund Raising, Web Traffic and Grass Roots Networking. I have gathered the evidence and created a website.

Please visit www.thecaseforronpaul.com and see the evidence for yourself.

guess dgblues hasn't studied much about the welfare (nanny) state that's made a mess of Britain over the last 10 years under mega -government (state controlled everything) that is New Labour..see how well the brits are liking the left controlling nanny state and then get back to us.

The governments that do the best are the ones that are small and let free enterprise reign and do nothing more than regulate monopolies from forming and controlling sectors of the economy.

It is my belief that the controlling elite that is rooted in the central banking system and global corporatism are the root of all evil...they control everything and have absolute power to destroy the wealth of powerful countries like the USA. They buy off the Politicians and the Media and they corrupt the whole system that is driven by greed and power. The sooner we unplug from the central banks, the IMF, the Bank of International Settlements, and the CFR and NATO...ie the Plutocracy ....the better humanity will be and we will set a precedent for other countries to follow.

Next time some merchant or bank hands you a Canadian quarter as change from your purchase, call the FEDs! Arrest them all!!

Stick a fork in him. The prestidigitator of verbiage, the economic Darwinist who cleverly disguises his draconian intent to make the rich richer at the expense of everyone else with bold talk of ending the war, justifying his draconian intent when exposed by what he, in his infinite wisdom, interprets as "the Constitution" (as if a obgyn knows more about Constitutional law than the Supreme court) --- the three-card-Monte-playing BS artist extraordinaire Ron Paul is DONE.

Score one for health care, for fair trade not free trade, for educating our kids, for re-regulating markets from which we've witnessed firsthand the unchecked downside, for bringing economic inequity back into some balance, and for not putting the McDonalds logo on El Capitan -- and let's all celebrate the death of libertarianism, the legacy of Ayn Rand, and all the blackness those precepts represent for our society.

See ya, Ronnie, it was fun while it lasted.

Ron Brownstein, Atlantic Media Political Director is on C-SPAN this Sunday AM at 8 AM EST.. It is LIVE! Just a moment ago he said the (R)epublican frontrunners in New Hampshire were Rudy, Mitt and John. He has not mentioned Ron Paul by name or in any manner whatsoever. Mr Brownstein, pronounced 'brown steen' is part of the cabal of people that deny the Live Free or Die state a voice. People just like him want to manipulate and magically make one think that, in New Hampshire's case, there is no such thing as a difference between the R's and the D's. NH folks know differently and that is WHY Doctor Paul is VERY POPULAR.. sorry stein, this person does not like brown shirts. bill www theradioavenger com Go Ron Paul--tout the U.S. Constitution, talk about the banksters, retain the globalist view of the loss os U.S. sovereignty.. so do I.

You are right. This was rounding up political dissidents.

Our freedom is history. If we want freedom, we need to take it back. If we do nothing, we lose it all.

I'll bet Bush starts drafting next year.

My computer pays bills by issuing a string of 0's and 1's to another computer.

Do you suppose they are going to shut down the internet because we are not using play money Federal reserve notes?

If the FBI likes my strings of 0's and 1's as currency, what is the problem with Liberty dollars?

This smells like the rounding up of political dissidents.

You can delete the word "free" from the national anthem and "liberty" from the pledge of allegiance.

Do you believe Liberty Dollar is an illegal currency?

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I liken the majority (uninformed) people of the United States to a frog that is placed in ambient temperature water that is slowly brought up to a boil. The frog has no perception that he is turning into a meal. Someone pointed out that I was being boiled and I jumped out of the pot. I encourage all Americans to wake up and smell what's cooking. Get behind Ron Paul

" . . . We have in this Country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks. . . . This evil institution has impoverished and ruined the people of the United States. . . . Some people think the Federal Reserve Banks are United States Government institutions. They are private credit monopolies, which, prey upon the people of the United States for the Benefit of themselves and their foreign customers. ..." "The Federal Reserve (Banks) are one of the most corrupt institutions, the world has ever seen. There is not a man, within the sound of my voice, who does not know that this Nation is run by the International Bankers". "Mr. Chairman, we have in this country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks, hereinafter called the Fed. The Fed has cheated the Government of the United States and the people of the United States out of enough money to pay the Nation's debt.... The wealth of these United States and the working capital have been taken away from them and has either been locked in the vaults of certain banks and the great corporations or exported to foreign countries for the benefit of foreign customers of these banks and corporations. So far as the people of the United States are concerned, the cupboard is bare." "When the Federal Reserve Act was passed, the people of these United States did not perceive that a world banking system was being set up here. A super-state controlled by international bankers and industrialists...acting together to enslave the world...Every effort has been made by the Fed to conceal its powers but the truth is--the Fed has usurped the government."

CONGRESSMAN LOUIS T. McFADDEN and former Chairman of the Committee on Banking and Currency.

"A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the Nation and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the world--no longer a government of free opinion, no longer a government of conviction, and vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress, of small groups of dominant men." Just before President Woodrow Wilson died, he is reported to have stated to friends that he had been "deceived" and that "I have betrayed my Country". referring to the Federal Reserve Act, passed during his Presidency.

PRESIDENT WOODROW WILSON

query0, the government monopoly on money is just plain WRONG, and the Fed can't compete with real money. The Liberty Dollars are paid for with legitimate US currency, and are just a convenience also. It's convenient when your money doesn't lose its value like fiat paper mney with no backing.

The Liberty Dollar is a Non-profit enterprise,it's not Fraudulent, everything is clearly stated as to the mark ups and values of the gold and silver and copper involved.

If the Agents are honest about how much gold was siezed (doubtful) it would prove the Liberty Dollar is honest. Liberty dollar invites clients to inspect the inventory on a regular basis, unlike the
Secrecy of the FED or Fort Knox.

Cash is used to avoid paying taxes right now, so what is the difference?

All your points are invalid.

I must agree with the astute person who observed that issues like this reveal how far out of the mainstream many of Ron Paul's supporters are. For example:

•The tickets or other trade mechanisms used at some music and cultural festivals or at amusement parks are paid for with legitimate U.S. currency. So, they are merely a convenience, not an attempt to compete with or replace legitimate American currency.

•The liberty dollar business is just a profit making enterprise run by an individual. To be profitable. von NotHaus must sell his products for more than their actual value on the medals market. Many of the purchasers do not realize the face value of the so-called alternative currency is false. That is why charges of fraud are appropriate. Furthermore, liberty dollar instructions urge buyers to try to use the coins in place of legitimate American currency.

•There is no proof that liberty dollars or other private currencies are backed by stores of precious metals as the people running the businesses claim. One of the things we may learn from this case is just how much precious metal von NotHaus actually has on hand. (I will wager that it is much less than he claims.)

•Private currencies, even if legal, would be used as a way to avoid paying taxes. So, there is no scenario in which their existence is not suspect.

Feel free to carry on with the conspiracy theories.

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That's very interesting. Hmmmmmm, the people can't have money backed by real gold and silver if its minted by somebody else?. That is a federal crime?

The world has a de facto standard for currency, a barrel of oil.

The real reason the Fed puppet masters want to attack Iran is because Iran set up an exchange to trade oil in the euro.

China refusing to float the yuan and refusing entry of foreign banks into China is also stressing the Fed puppet masters.

The Saudis are also thinking of switching trade to the petro-euro.

The Muslim world gets along fine with China and China needs oil for its economic expansion.

China dumps dollar for euros to trade with Muslims. The Fed puppet masters now have hyper inflation in US economy caused by plummeting dollar.

The American Sheeple will revolt when gasoline hits $10 a gallon and the Chinese products flooding the store shelves double in price.

It will be a peaceful revolt as we create personal wealth by cutting our dollar bills into 4, 8, 16 pieces to use as a basis of exchange. Ten dollars for a gallon of gas, then take 5 ones, cut them in two, hand them to the cashier, walk away, get in your car and drive off. There are not enough police or national guard(as they are all in Iraq) to round up all the citizens who have defined their own currency.

The fed will close the banks to cut off the supply to their monopoly money therefore open an account in a credit union to get more play money to cut up.

We the People are in charge, not the Fed puppet masters.

Look, whatever your position on this, there is an alternative to these liberty dollars if you really think the USD is to tank further.

Foreign currency for example, there are plenty of other nations in this world and it is not illegal to hold considerable sums of foreign currency.

China's can be difficult to acquire as China doesn't allow trading, but it is bound to go up in value at some point. At some point their people won't want the RMB tied to the USD.

Canada's loonie is heading up. The Euro seems pretty strong. If you want to go really nuts, you could buy actual gold.

Otherwise, you're all nuts. The dollar will rise again.

Last May I posted the following to the great derision of many others:

"As far as Dr. Paul goes, this is the best break the guy could get. IF his activities ever REALLY became a threat to the status quo instead of being an unimportant impotent side show in Nowhere, Texas; the PIPS (People In Power) will simply have him killed using one of their "lone gunmen"; "small plane or airline crashes"; "unexplained single car accidents" or, if they REALLY need to undermine his credibility they will target him with some kind of scandal and then "suicide" him."

Well, your apologies are all now accepted -- it appears the Feds are going the scandal demise route -- so much the better for Ron Paul's health. Of course, they still will exercise the "extreme prejudice" option if that does not work.

You REALLY have to be a propeller head to believe that the PIPS (People In Power) will give up all their wealth and privileges because of a vote. It does NOT take a rocket scientist to figure out that those who are willing to level cities; murder millions; lie, cheat, steal, murder, etc., etc. will not suddenly become honest at the voting booth.

If you believe that, I still have some Golden Gate Bridge stock available for a great price... :)

Carl Street

Hate to argue semantics with someone on the same side, machtigr10, but we are both right. Both Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin made similar statements. I was paraphrasing Tom's quote...the full quote is as follows:
"A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will lose both and deserve neither.
If a nation expects to be both ignorant and free in a state of civilization,
it expects what never was and never will be." Thomas Jefferson

Ben's quote was: ""They who can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. "
- Benjamin Franklin

very similar quotes

You can GOOGLE it.

also:

http://quinnell.us/politics/quotes.html

http://thinkexist.com/quotation/a_society_that_will_trade_a_little_liberty_for_a/180724.html

http://zhar.net/quotes/

Essentially, it doesn't matter...both quotes stand on their own merit. I just wanted to clarify that I am not a complete idiot....partial, we can argue.

If the seizure of Ron Paul "Liberty Dollars" was politically motivated, it sure backfired.
I take issue with the agent's assertion that "The goal of NORFED is to undermine the United States government's financial systems".
The goal of undermining our financial system has already been accomplished by the Federal Reserve, which has succeeded in devaluing the dollar by more than 95% over the course of its career. That lost purchasing power didn't just disappear; it represents a transfer of wealth from workers, savers and small business to investment bankers, their corporate clients and the government.

To: ibsteven2

That's a Benjamin Franklin quote, not Jefferson.

Silver is silver regardless of the image on it. Better get all the silver and gold you can before this economy sinks like the Titanic. The Fed is in a panic. I'm sure they will not return this stolen property.

Hey ycornc,

After reading your post...I have 3 words for you. BAAAAAH! BAAAAAH! BAAAAAAH!

I suppose you are going to tell us the 2+2
=5 now? Thanks for your comments, Mr. INGSOC Party Member.

Hope Big Brother watches YOUR emails too.

HI savage5260,

You wrote:

"I do support this Action by the FBI."

I respond: Amazing!

Yop wrote:
"The group stated that it wanted to abolish the Federal Reserve system and the Internal Revenue Service."

I respond: UHHHH, and how is that a crime? You don't believe in the first amendment?

You wrote:
"We each have the responsiblility to pay our taxes and seek changes through legislation."

I respond: UHHH...says who? The tax code? The tax code is not a law. All the "tax dodgin' kooks" out there are saying is "show me the law that says I have to pay taxes on my labor and I'll pay the taxes." But that law doesn't exist.
Also, have you ever read the D of I?

You wrote:
"Doing things the hard way, within the law, less chance of getting it hard way."

I respond: Again I say...what laws did they break? Why isn't the FBI going after every mint in the country...after all, they are printing coins in precious metal too. And for that matter...the Disney Dollar as stated above. Disney also produces gold and silver bullion.

Read...educate yourself...stop being a sheep. You can start by watching "America: From Freedom to Tyranny" Look it up! and stop following along in lockstep with everything you hear from Mega Corp news agencies like FOX, MSNBC & CNN.

Do you think the government doesn't lie to you just because it's The Government?

AlbyVA | November 16, 2007 10:04 PM wrote:

"it is fun watching the repubs implode,
esp when it is done be texans
that great state that gave us lbj gwb and tom (the hammer) delay"

That's the problem with voter's like you...you are still thinking in political party terms...us & them...etc. Ron Paul's supporters are both Rep & Dem, Lib & Con...the differences they have enough of a brain to see what is really going on and the courage to lay their smaller differences aside and stand up for what is most important. Freedom & Liberty.

Most pundits keep us distracted and at each other's throats battling about relatively petty arguments and deeply carving party lines in surface of the collective mind. This person is that, that person is this...labels...tags...keeping us polarized makes us more vulnerable to attack. Keeping us scared and afraid of each other and terrorists real or imaginary affords them the tools they need to further strip us of individual rights and privliges afforded to us by the Constitution....while keeping us blind to the real terrorists among us. Remember what Thomas Jefferson said...to paraphrase...'Those who would trade their freedom for security will have neither.'

You also wrote:
"paul is right about the war but no other repub will admit to that"

Well that should tell you at least 2 things...one he is a man of integrity and courage. Two, if the war in iraq is that important to you...you should vote for Ron. Who else would you vote for but a courageous man with integrity who will do what you want him to do on issues most important to you....all despite an overwhelming oppostion.

Ron Paul Love,

Steve

Insurgent ..interesting choice of wording for this writer...along with craggy and various other terms which create a negative image in the readers mind..how about a fair and balanced article please! Dae

Try playing the board game Monopoly with this change of the rules.

Eliminate the central bank being the only source of loans and mortgages.

Allow loans between players. Each time a player passes GO he makes an installment payment on all his outstanding loans. Payment size is negotiable with whoever holds his note.

Establish a Real Estate Investment Trust mutual money fund and require each player to make a deposit in any amount each time they pass go. Keep track of balance accrued for each player. Allow any player who lands directly on Go to decide if the Mutual Fund can buy any property on the board at its face value including improvements if made by another player. The mutual fund has to have sufficient cash funds to cover the sale and the deed is placed in control of the Mutual Fund. The Mutual Fund cannot sell properties it holds to cover the purchase.

Whenever a player lands on a property owned by the Mutual Fund, the rent paid is apportioned to the current balances based on relative percent of fund shares owned. When a player lands on vacant property, he can use his account balance in the mutual fund to buy the property. He cannot use his fund balance to buy property held by another player.

The Mutual Fund can vote to hold an auction sale to liquidate deeds held by the fund.

Switch the objective of the game from driving out all competition and leaving only one player standing. The game objective is to fully develop all properties until all the game pieces representing development are on the board or all the currency is gone from the central bank as it depletes from players passing GO. Create new game pieces to represent movie theaters, factories, shopping malls, or amusement parks to add to the homes and hotels. Play stops when the central bank is empty of currency. Or if you want to continue play, have every remaining player pay a flat tax on all the currency they hold. No tax on property assets or mutual fund balance.

There is the possibility for a player or two to go bust during the course of play but in the end there will be several players left. The winner is who has the highest net worth of the remaining players.

A free economy works rather nicely without a central bank charging interest on the currency issued.

We really don't need the Federal Reserve.

You will appreciate this if you play Monopoly with the rules outlined above.

The players, not the central bank, are the real wealth definers.

Break the Monopoly of the Federal Reserve!

Elect Ron Paul. He will guide us in the creation of new game rules for Our the Peoples economy.

What Is wrong with you? You created a headline that gives the impression that Ron Paul created these coins, and then call American Voters insurgents for supporting a candidate that brings a new message.

With the dollar falling, debt going out the roof, failure of social programs, incompetence of the government to handle emergency situations is it so radical to think that Americans want change?

Don't ever call us insurgents again.

--"I like Ron Paul's opposition to the Iraq war, but his supporters seem to be the sort of people who are always looking for black helicopters overhead."--

Did you think of that yourself, or are you repeating what you've already heard on the news?

It's a brilliant piece of propaganda - anyone who questions the source seemingly proves the premise.

All someone like you has to do is repeat what you've heard on TV without thinking about it. And then when someone actually does think about it, you dismiss them with a slanderous association - like black helicopters - just like the TV did.

To ycornc and others that have not done your due dilegence reguarding this country and our Constitution, Declaration of Independence, and the rule of law,

Your ignorance is showing!

"If ye love wealth more than liberty, and the tranquility of servitude more than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were ever our countrymen."
-- Samuel Adams

Goose stepping traitors are trying to destroy our country incrementally, and the American people are finally waking up!

The individual DOES matter, The government belongs to US, not to AIPAC or globalist bankers like Rockefeller or Rothschilds.

ALL of Ron Paul's donations come from real people, unlike Hillary's or Obama's or Rudy's or Romney's or McCain's or Edward's, where much of theirs comes from Wall street and the Military industrial complex.

Ron Paul can't be bought by Special Interest groups. Any candidate who takes money from these groups is their puppet.

The government robs the peaceful productive savers for decades through inflation but now it is suggested that anyone trying to protect themselves from Federal Reserve created inflation is a T-word!? Where does Hitlery find these shills?

"The Constitution is just a goddam piece of paper" -- George Bush

And a Federal Reserve Note is just another piece of paper.

The status of the Federal Reserve Note is enforced at the point of a gun, even in contravention of our laws.

And the Constitution contains within it the Second Amendment, to give it the ability to be enforced at the point of a gun as well, even though laws be passed to prohibit it.

More ominously, the Declaration of Independence lays out the grounds for a people to shake off government force.

Insurgents, indeed!

Ron Paul's candidacy presents an opportunity for the American people to recover the sanity of our constitutional form of government through peaceful means. We can see now that the political-banking New World Order machine has no concern for such niceties.

One more note, we are in a global (say it with me G L O B A L economy). One world with common set of values. A farmer in china now the same as a farmer in USA. Programmer in USA same as programmer in India - Get it? Banks are tied together internationally. Alternative currency disrupts that and increases the chance for war and so on. Try peace and security for a change.

You all need a clue. A currency other than provided sounds like something a terrorist would think of. What gives you the right to support alternative currency within the United States? This is exactly why we have the patriot act. I hope you all end up getting your email watched and all arrested for conspiracy. Rights can be remoked if you abuse them. It's like school, but in the USA you start out with an A+ grade. Only you can move it to an F.

"Insurgent" essentially means rebellion. Why Mr.MacGillis do you describe the astute people exercising their birth right of choice denigrate them like this? against whom is this rebellion? Your piece is reasonable but for this barbs against Mr. Paul and his supporters.

Spread the word far and wide. There's a new TOLL-FREE number for all Ron Paul Patriots to hand out to their Grandparents, older neighbors...anyone that doesn't have the internet that wants to get on board the Ron Paul Freedom Train by giving money (now, on December 16th., or anytime in the future).

Older folks don't have the internet as much, and also are less willing to give out their credit card info online. They are, however, more willing to call a toll-free number (that costs them nothing to do so).

Please include this number from here on in with ALL your Ron Paul marketing efforts. Dial 1-877-RON-PAUL for Liberty. That 1-877-766-7285.

The difference between Disney and NotHaus is intent. The thought police are here. And they have guns. Where is the gun control crowd on this?

The difference between the FEDS and OJ is that OJ was claiming property he knew to be his.

jan.molenaar.com is right. We all need to understand where the real power lies. Most Americans including our Congressmen donot understand our country's laws. Go to www.teamlaw.org to get the real story.

Where is the outrage? Had armed agents of the Bush Justice Dept seized two tons of souvenir Hillary Clinton Bronze medallions do you think the Media would have mentioned it? Of course, there would be non stop coverage for weeks. Some press we have in this country.

Looking at this tells me that the people just do not know their constitution. The purpose of the constitution? To protect your LIFE, LIBERTY, AND PROPERTY. This was someones property. It is also their liberty. Why was government created? To defend and uphold the constitution which protects your life, your liberty and your property. AND that is the ONLY thing the government is to supposed to do.

Most people do not understand that when you fear your government you have tyranny. When your government fears you, then you have freedom.

Where are the patriots?

Did your congressman or senator vote for the patriot act?

When they took that oath before they took their their seat in washington, they were in effect signing a contract with you to defend and protect your life, your liberty, and your property. The patriot act VIOLATES 4th, 5th, and 6th ammendment of the constitution which they took an oath to defend and uphold. Now what do you call it when you lie under oath? Perjury. So every single senator and congressman who signed the patriot act committed a crime. They failed you on on their solemn promise to protect your constitution.

Some might have done this unknowingly, but then why take that oath if you don't understand your constitution. If they did understand it and they did it anyway, then they committed the crime of perjury. They not only should not be in congress or the senate, they should be in jail.

Do you think that just because George w. Bush says the constitution, OUR constitution is no longer in effect just because he says so? NO !! The constitution will ALWAYS be OURS as long as we as humans want it to.

Our founding fathers did not fight a bloody, gruesome battle only to let government take away what is rightfully ours. We did not have to do anything to gain these rights and liberties which are ours. We INHERITED them. all we had to do was grow up.

THE CONSTITUTION. IT'S THE LAW. THE SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND.

Are you all aware of what the ten planks of the communist manifesto are. Do you know that all ten planks are operating in the USA today?

The government is not of, for, and by the people. The true government of this land, the land we live in, IS the people. WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT. WE DECIDE WHAT IS RIGHT FOR US NOT THE GOVERNMENT. WE DON'T BOW TO SOME KINGS FEET! but that is what they have been doing for eons. Taking away our rights and our liberties and our property.

There is a person on the web who is constitutional expert who is out here for everyone and trying to explain what is really up. His name is Michael Badnarik. You can find his classes on Utube.

If you don't believe in the constitution then you don't believe in America. If you don't know the constitution you need to. Before we have some dictator saying "off with his head" which is very close to happening. Every single thing we have the government controls. This is not right. The government does not own America. WE do.

Check out the voting records of your senators and your congressmen. See who is against you and who is for you. Then call them, email them, write them and let them when you approve or disapprove of what they are doing. THAT is YOUR duty as a an american and as a patriot.

Don't lose you country. Watch these guys. They are not there to make you happy. They are there to make your life as miserable as they possibly can.

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People look toward you during the time of uncertainty and find reassurance and security when you portray confidence and a positive demeanor.

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You possess these qualities; some naturally present in you. Whether naturally qualities or not, you will diligent to consistently develop and strengthen them for the current and future generation to admire.

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Maybe this is the reason for the raid;

http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/UPDATE/Update2007-09-30.htm

Ron Paul is concerned as Feds may raid Disney and Take all Disney Dollars from Kids at Disney World! lol the Feds are going too Far!

Goofy and Donald being led away in Quikcuffs.

The haunted mansion stormed by swat

Mr. and Mrs. Mouse were unavailable for comment, but a spokesman for Guipeto revealed he planned to sue the Feds.

It is so good to see all of us standing up and SHAKING OUR FISTS.

Just watch this documentary on how and why the Federal Reserve was created and you will understand why the government is not happy with Ron Paul. He is the truth teller of this country.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWR3rZDOnA4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9wgciOWp3c

Dr Ron Paul you are my hero. God bless you
Lucia

Some communities have started printing their own currency to encourage residents to "buy local". Are the Fed going to arrest these entire towns?

Support Ron Paul - the only candidate with the courage to point out how the Fed Reserve is allowing the government to spend this country into never-ending debt.

this is completely absurd. How are these coins different than casino chips, gift cards, frequent flyer miles, and Chuck E. Cheese tickets?!?!

http://www.teaparty07.com

Support Ron Paul more than ever!

Maybe it's worthwhile to remember that JFK signed a presidential order to create new US dollars, backed by silver bullions, to limite the powers of the Fed. He did that just ten days before his execution. The presidential order still stands, but since then none dares to comply with it...
Maybe it's also time to ask the question: Where lies the ral power? At he government ant the politicians, or at the banks who buy (and own)them?

In his first Presidential campaign, FDR specifically promised to maintain the gold standard, and then promptly reneged the following year, 1933,when he falsely accused Americans, who were literally paid in gold up to that time- the dollar was an exchangeable receipt for it- who happened to keep bullion of being "hoarders." In this regard it is worth noting that when he set up the Warm Springs (polio rehab.) Foundation, FDR made a loan to it specifically repayable in gold. But this was too good for ordinary Americans- it is time we stood up for ourselves. A gold standard is not even necessary- but some standard to establish a definite value for the dollar is demanded by any self-respecting human being. The dollar has lost 25% in one year against that of our northern neighbors, who at least have the common sense to balance their budget and are not forced to inflate their currency. Putting a stop to unconstitutionally declared wars and maintaining the intent of the Constitution to have a dollar of clearly defined value is a top priority.

The mail and wire fraud would because they are selling the dollars that they claim are a fraud.

Bernanke is throwing a fit because Ron Paul about brought him to tears with the truth. Your choice is to inflate the currency and rob from people or let the bubble burst.

"The goal of NORFED is to undermine the United States government's financial systems by the issuance of a non-governmental competing currency for the purpose of repealing the Federal Reserve and Internal Revenue Code,"

That does not make it illegal!

That is not a illegal goal. It would only be illegal if the used non legal means to do it such as violence. This is a legal means that many communities use.

They are not cheeting on taxes or breaking any law. They know it.

Stealing people Gold and Silver. Since when is owning Gold illlegal?

They just prove the point.
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this is a legal method of changing the system competing currencies are entirely legal otherwise the fbi would seize my supply of euros, that i bought to hedge against the falling dollar or mabye my regan commemorative coin made by an independant company AND backed by gold, but hey i also bought a ron paul silver dollar so i'm up 180 bucks (not 150 get, your facts sraight) but hey maybe they'll raid the regan commemorative coin center and i'll get even more money( and if i'm realy lucky they'll raid europe for creating a competing currency) but until they do i'll just sit here in righteous indignation at the europeans belief that they are allowed to mint a competing currency(also if disneyland is a soveriegn nation why do they pay taxes in the u.s.

Just another reason to vote for Ron Paul, as if there weren't plenty already.

This is only going to make the Ron Paul fundraiser on December 16th (the anniversary of the Boston Tea Party) that much bigger....

One could always call the U.S. Attorney's office for Western North Carolina in Charlotte and complain.
Gretchen C. F. Shappert
227 West Trade Street, Suite 1650
Charlotte, NC 28202
phone (704)344-6222 fax (704)344-6629
or
Suellen Pierce
704-338-3120
FAX: 704-227-0264

The Federal Reserve has just declared war on the American People and the media is unconscious. This is truly unbelievable. The question that every presidential candidate should be asked is Do the American people have a choice in the currency they use to settle private transactions? It is a yes or no question. These are scary times when the obvious is avoided at all costs and the inane given non stop coverage.

This article is so much more fair and accurate than the slanderous AP story. We should all be very grateful to Alec for publishing this. Thanks!

Very misleading Title---wouldn't by any chance be deliberate??? This has nothing to do with the campaign except it does kind of reinforce the message! This action is totally wrong---are they going to confiscate Princess Di "coins" too? I think the truth is that this private money really shows what worthless crap a Federal Reserve note is. We need President Paul to get our liberties AND our finances the way they should be.

Disney? Sovereign? Nope. Florida granted them a sort of municipal status back when Disney World started up (Reedy Creek Improvement District), but it's solidly part of Florida and the US. And nobody bypasses Immigration or Customs to go to Disney.

The two systems (fixed money vs unlimited money) don't sit well with each other. Something had to give. Ron Paul seems like the only person talking about change. I think it was a tad foolish to print his likeness on a coin. Let's not cause "blow back" for Ron.

I do support this Action by the FBI. I find it hard to believe anyone is surprised. The group stated that it wanted to abolish the Federal Reserve system and the Internal Revenue Service. We each have the responsiblility to pay our taxes and seek changes through legislation. Doing things the hard way, within the law, less chance of getting it hard way.

"Live free or die!!" as they say in New Hampshire. Awesome coins!!

Dons4rd wrote...
This reminds me of the story that went around after John Kennedy's demise that he was trying to bring back the gold standard and the government and Feds could NOT allow that! so; they had him killed!

My Response...I thought the US left the Gold Standard under Nixon in 1971, 8 years after Kennedy's death.

I suspect this raid order came from the top from the bankers who control this country. Ron Paul is stepping on their turf now. They would just as quickly put a bullet in his head than to let him have his way, this is the bankers mafia and they won't let anyone bring them down....at least not if they can help it.

CHAD(Missing or Hanging?)

Disney World is on Land that is actually it's own sovereignty.

Hard to believe maybe, BUT it is outside the US, while being very much inside.

It was part of an arrangement Walt set-up with the Government. See, Walt wanted to be able to allow people from ALL over the World, without ANY interferience. Sort of like what Dubai is trying to do today.

As soon as Dr.No has his own Private and Sovereign place for all the little Dr. No-ites to follow him to, HE can make all the money he wants. The World Bank, the Markets, and the FEC will still insist on regulating any trade of it though!

it is so sad to see the government controlling all money and outlawing economic freedom. after introducing and controlling unconstitutional fiat money, they ban the constitutional sound money!?! this is fraud and mafia at work.

so if ron paul raised 4 millon dollars in one day and the $ is not backed by gold and ron wants the gold standard returned
does the 4 millon become worthless

it is fun watching the repubs implode,
esp when it is done be texans
that great state that gave us lbj gwb and tom (the hammer) delay

paul is right about the war but no other repub will admit to that

Ron Paul is Da Man!!!! We need to get back on the Gold Standard and shift economic power from the Federal Reserve back to Main Street.

I like Ron Paul's opposition to the Iraq war, but his supporters seem to be the sort of people who are always looking for black helicopters overhead.

Hey, nospam3, apparently they *did* proofread before they described him as a small-l libertarian, which is what he is. And he is the Republican representative from Texas's 14 congressional district. How about reading before you post? The mistake would have been to describe him as a capital-L Libertarian.

The FBI is off the reservation with this one . I wish I would have been there and gotten my @$$ kicked so I could cash in on this too .

This reminds me of the story that went around after John Kennedy's demise that he was trying to bring back the gold standard and the government and Feds could NOT allow that! so; they had him killed! We have a real devious bunch up there I can assure reminiscent of all the people that ran into an unfortunate end! Thanks Folks and we will be using our worthless dollars to wipe our ass with before very long!

"uttering coins of gold, silver, or other metal," "making or possessing likeness of coins,"

Oh yeah, I'm sure they were pressing quarters, nickels, and dimes....

Seriously though, unless the Feds can find a die for some liberty Golden Eagles or other U.S. "coin" I don't see how this charge can stick.

It is also possible that there was some kind of mail or wire fraud going on. highly unlikely, but possible.

But this charge - "The goal of NORFED is to undermine the United States government's financial systems by the issuance of a non-governmental competing currency for the purpose of repealing the Federal Reserve and Internal Revenue Code,"

Not only is this not a crime, it should be the basis of a congressional medal of honor.

First off, these coins are NOT part of Ron Paul's campaign!

Second, as for not trusting the money supply. The Federal Agents should be reminded that in the court case First National Bank of Montgomery vs. Jerome Daly
the US currency (federal reserve notes) are declared UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Read the ruling:

http://usa-the-republic.com/banks/bank_1.html

Rudiani,Clinton and all the rest are deffinitely out to screw Ron Paul,but why buy a Ron Paul dollar,other than as a curiosity keepsake,when you can go to any coin shop and buy a Morgan or Silver Eagle?

He is a *Republican* congressman in the state of Texas. The Washington Post is a major newspaper. Don't you proofread before you post?

This is the Mafia-like Federal Reserve protecting their monopoly on money, nothing more. And completely unconstitutional, but the Fed Mafia doesn't care about that.

The dollar is tanking and if people knew there was a competing currency backed with gold and silver -- like our dollar used to be, before the Fed Mafia took over -- no one would want the lousy, Fed-inflated greenback anymore. That's what's behind this raid.

It's pure theft and pure racketeering. But the Mafia called the "government" does it, so it's OK. Disgusting. I'm glad Thomas Jefferson isn't alive to see what's happened to this country.

Next The FBI and CIA will be confiscating our own grown food! The Message by Chad is telling bring the truth Bias big Time! Let Real value Rule! I wish I had my order filled with real value! Ron Paul will make it legal to competing currencies maybe we will have monopoly money it may be worth more than the Fed Dollar soon.

Private money is Private money - pure and simple - Even ABC's parent company Walt Disney makes it.

If you go to Walt Disney World you can exchange US Dollars for Disney Dollars on 1:1 Ratio

All Walt Disney World® Resort shops and restaurants take Disney Dollars as a form of cash. Disney Dollars are available for a one-to-one exchange for U.S. dollars at the Disney Store nearest your home and at ticket booths, Guest Relations and Resort Guest Services locations at the Walt Disney World Resort.

Below is a list of currencies here in the USA. Some are called "hours' some are called "Blue Money", "Cape Anne Dollars".

Out of the list below they went after the "Liberty Dollar". It might be just me but it is probably to shed a negative light on Congressman Paul's campaign.

* Amesbury Hours Amesbury, Massachusetts
* Anacostia Hours [1] Mount Rainier, Maryland
* Area Bucks Palo Alto, California
* Atlanta Hours Atlanta, Georgia
* Bainbridge Island Bucks Bainbridge Island, Washington
* Baltimore Hours [2] Baltimore, Maryland
* Barter Bucks Indianapolis, Indiana
* Bay Area Bucks [3] Traverse City, Michigan
* Berea Bucks Berea, Kentucky
* Berkeley Barter Network Berkeley, California
* Berkeley Bread Berkeley, California
* BerkShares, Southern Berkshires, Massachusetts
* BloomingHours [4] Bloomington, Indiana
* Blue Money Brattleboro, Vermont
* BNI [5] Delaware, Pennsylvania, Maryland, New Jersey
* Boise Hours Boise, Idaho
* Brattleboro Hours Chesterfield, New Hampshire
* Brookings Bucks Brookings, South Dakota
* Brooklyn Greenbacks Brooklyn, New York
* Buffalo Hours Buffalo, New York
* Buffalo Mountain Hours Hardwick, Vermont
* Bull City Bucks Durham, North Carolina
* Burlington Bread [6] Burlington, Vermont
* Butte Bucks Crested Butte, Colorado
* Cape Anne Dollars Gloucester, Massachusetts
* Capitol Area Self-Sustaining Hours Albany, New York
* Carbondale Spuds Carbondale, Colorado
* Chenango Hours New Berlin, New York
* Columbia County Hours Philmont, New York
* Columbia Hours Columbia, Missouri
* Community Cash Durango, Colorado
* Cuyahoga Hours Cleveland, Ohio
* Dillo Hours Austin, Texas
* Disney Dollar Disneyland and Disneyworld
* Flagstaff Neighborly Notes [7] Flagstaff, Arizona
* Floyd Hours Floyd, Virginia
* Fourth Corner Exchange [8] Pacific Northwest
* Great Lakes Hours Detroit, Michigan
* Green Mountain Hours [9] Montpelier, Vermont
* Greyhound Bucks Taft, Texas
* Hero dollar Minneapolis, Minnesota
* High Desert Dollars Prescott, Arizona
* Hobo Dough South Dakota State University, Brookings, South Dakota
* Hollandollars Holland, Michigan
* Houston Hours Houston, Texas
* Humboldt Hours Eureka, California
* Humboldt exchange community currency Arcata, California
* Ithaca Hours Ithaca, New York
* Kansas City Barter Bucks Kansas City, Missouri
* Kauai Barter and Trade Network [10] Kilauea, Hawaii
* Kettle River Hours Kettle Falls, Washington
* Kitsap Hours Bremerton, Washington
* Lehigh Valley Barter Hours Bethlehem, Pennsylvania
* Liberty Dollars [11] Evansville, IN
* Lopez Island Hours Lopez Island, Washington
* Madison Hours [12] Madison, Wisconsin
* Mendocino SEED Fort Bragg, California
* Middletown Cash Middletown, CT, Wesleyan University
* Milwaukee Hours Milwaukee, Wisconsin
* Missoula Hours Missoula, Montana
* Mo' Money [13] New Orleans, Louisiana
* Mountain Money [14] Mars Hill, North Carolina
* NOCO Hours [15]Fort Collins, Greeley, and Loveland, Colorado
* North Fork Helping Hands Paonia, Colorado
* PDXhours Portland, Oregon
* P.E.N. Neighborhood Exchange Takoma Park, Maryland
* Plenty [16] Carrboro, North Carolina
* Portage Hours Kent, Ohio
* REAL Dollars [17] Lawrence, Kansas
* RiverHOURS [18]Columbia River Gorge, USA
* San Luis Obispo Hours San Luis Obispo, California
* Sand Dollars Bolinas, California
* Santa Barbara Hours Santa Barbara, California
* Santa Fe Hours Santa Fe, New Mexico
* Santa Monica Hours Santa Monica, California
* Sequoia Hours Garberville, California
* Simply Hours Columbus, Ohio
* Skagit Dollars Mount Vernon, Washington
* Sonoma County Community Cash Santa Rosa, California
* Stoneridge Hours Kerhonkson, New York
* Summit Hours Akron, Ohio
* Thread City Bread Willimantic, Connecticut
* Time Bucks [19] Seattle, Washington
* Tulsa Hours Tulsa, Oklahoma
* Ukiah Hours [20] Ukiah, California
* Valley Dollars Greenfield, Massachusetts
* Waldo Hours Unity, Maine
* Wash Bucks Sioux City, Iowa
* Wooster Hours Apple Creek, Ohio

You know its kind of funny that when Ronald Reagon died there was a private company that minted a comemorative coin. I think this is sad because you cant even spend this and if you do its by the barter system trading it for a sack of potatoes or something. Boy the government has so over stepped its bounds. I am glad they are doing it soon it will be water cannons and brutality. We will be heard and we will prevail just like martin Luther king did in the 60's. This is the civil rights movement starting again but this time its not about color or creed its for our freedom.

Very Coincidental Indeed That They Would Choose To Raid When Ron Paul's Support Is Waxing And The Dollar Is Waning.

We Are In A State Of Financial Free Fall That Will Be Very Apparent In 2008.

Ron Paul' Economic Stance Will Be Vindicated Next Year. (Too Bad We All Have To Suffer To Prove Him Right)

Save The Republic, Vote Ron Paul In The Primaries !!!

A wood or stone Ron Paul coin would have more value then the Feds Dollar. Banks create Plastic and then print money out of thin air! I suggest all plastic cards be treated as legal tender? lol Feds like printing money out of thin air with not value!