The Trail: A Daily Diary of Campaign 2008

RE: "I really hate that he has gone negative. Surely he would know (especially after watching what happened to Romney) that most folks don't like this tactic. I'm truly disappointed in him and I think this will hurt him in the long run.
Posted by: shockoe30"

As most of the posters on here have explained, it is not negative but merely the truth. Huckabee has been stealing Ron Paul's ideas and phrases, and the record needs to be set straight.

You think this will hurt him in the long run? No way, baby, this locomotive train is just starting to gather steam!

And as for "what happened to Romney," don't worry about him. The media is propping him up now because he just spent $19.8 million buying Clearwater Channel Communications -- which owns 30 TV stations. But his milquetoast flip-flopping will bury him sooner or later.

Viva la Ron Paul Revolution!

Good news! Ron Paul's balls may have finally dropped. The Hucksterbee tries to steal one of Paul's planks and he gets his just desserts. Go for the throat, Ron, and may God have mercy on that huckster's soul.

I have taken it upon myself to attack McCain on his involvement in the Keating five. See youtube highwaytoserfdom... I have also defended Paul on Lincoln. Huckabee needs to be attacked on first amendment rights, Copland, immoral televangelist, policy statements, taxes, hunting hats, bad jokes, pardons. What he did to Romney was deplorable. On the web we can morph him into the Televanglist in the George Burns movie "oh God". The Hunting comments Huckabee fudd is already there. Let the supporters do it.. Iowa is not finished yet there is vote fraud. Fox News is not done there will be a Woodward type story on these primaries media coverage.. Have faith in the revolution.

Personally I want a President that consults the Constitution, and not "God".I am totally suspicious of people who claim to be in personal contact with the "Almighty".Bush also was spreading this ballyho and look where "God" led us.

As far as I'm concerned, this is not a negative add. To me, a negative add is when you attack the person, not the policies. I see this as drawing contrasts, nothing more. I think all candidates should do this. I think it's responsible behavior; name calling, however, is not.

Dr. Ron Paul represents a true threat to the people and corporations that own the main stream media. He represents the common man. This fact is obvious if you look at how his funds are raised. He hasn't filled his coffers with money from special interest groups and large corporations, but rather by over a hundred thousand individuals with an average donation of about 90 bucks. He has been unfairly represented by most of the media. Even though he soundly beat Rudy in Iowa and raised more money in the last quarter (showing his true level of support) Then any of the other candidates he will be excluded from the Fox news forum which will be televised nationally with one of the VIABLE candidates silenced by Fox news.
God bless America.

This is not an attack ad. Attack ads lie and distort. Au contraire, Ron Paul's Tax flyer merely points out the differences between him and Huckabee. Any informed voter already knows that Huckabee raised taxes as governor of Arkansas. Huckabee is a social conservative, and not a fiscal conservative. Many folks are saying that Huckabee is no different than the Democrat candidates except for his anti-gay and anti-abortion ... Huckabee won't be balancing the budget or getting us out of a 1 trillion dollar debt ... his answer is to spend spend spend.

I was positively riveted when I first heard Ron Paul speak and that was back in May of this year. He said he was a Constitutionalist. I thought well, what do you know? You hardly ever hear mention of the most important document that our country was built upon anymore. I researched his record. It was solid as a rock. He is a man of integrity. Cannot be bought.

I joined 2 Ron Paul meetup groups in my area, registered as a Republican, which in a million years I never dreamed of doing. Researched what a real Republican is. Felt better about it after understanding the difference between democrat and republican.

I work 5 part time jobs and am still pretty poor, but for the first time in my life I donated $100 to his campaign on the first money bomb in November. I would have on Dec 16th but I was in the hospital undergoing emergency surgery for a bowel obstruction.

Long story short...if I have to CARRY RON PAUL ON MY BACK to see him in the oval office I will do it. I am Not a conspiracy theorist, nor is anything in Ron Paul message in any way shape or form anything other than sane, sensible, sound and will save this country from basically imploding from bad economics and or being destroyed by the rest of the world because we are butting in where we do not belong.

Huckabee strikes me as a complete fraud, plain and simple.

The ad was just a statement of facts. Nothing negative about it.

Peace and Prosperity to us all!

I was positively riveted when I first heard Ron Paul speak and that was back in May of this year. He said he was a Constitutionalist. I thought well, what do you know? You hardly ever hear mention of the most important document that our country was built upon anymore. I researched his record. It was solid as a rock. He is a man of integrity. Cannot be bought.

I joined 2 Ron Paul meetup groups in my area, registered as a Republican, which in a million years I never dreamed of doing. Researched what a real Republican is. Felt better about it after understanding the difference between democrat and republican.

I work 5 part time jobs and am still pretty poor, but for the first time in my life I donated $100 to his campaign on the first money bomb in November. I would have on Dec 16th but I was in the hospital undergoing emergency surgery for a bowel obstruction.

Long story short...if I have to CARRY RON PAUL ON MY BACK to see him in the oval office I will do it. I am Not a conspiracy theorist, nor is anything in Ron Paul message in any way shape or form anything other than sane, sensible, sound and will save this country from basically imploding from bad economics and or being destroyed by the rest of the world because we are butting in where we do not belong.

Huckabee strikes me as a complete fraud, plain and simple.

The ad was just a statement of facts. Nothing negative about it.

Peace and Prosperity to us all!

[quote]The other problem with this piece is that it's downright wrong.

Long ago Huckabee signed Grover Norquist's No New Taxes pledge.

http://www.atr.org/content/html/2007/march/030207pr-huckabeesignspledge.html

Posted by: jonkeeling | January 4, 2008 02:02 PM [/quote]

That's only that he won't raise Income taxes .... he could put in a 50% flat tax and still not violate his promise !!! Get the picture??

[quote]The Pledge binds signers to "oppose any and all efforts to increase the marginal income tax rates for individuals and/or businesses ... and oppose any net reduction or elimination of deductions and credits, unless matched dollar for dollar by further reducing tax rates." [/quote]

I was positively riveted when I first heard Ron Paul speak and that was back in May of this year. He said he was a Constitutionalist. I thought well, what do you know? You hardly ever hear mention of the most important document that our country was built upon anymore. I researched his record. It was solid as a rock. He is a man of integrity. Cannot be bought.

I joined 2 Ron Paul meetup groups in my area, registered as a Republican, which in a million years I never dreamed of doing. Researched what a real Republican is. Felt better about it after understanding the difference between democrat and republican.

I work 5 part time jobs and am still pretty poor, but for the first time in my life I donated $100 to his campaign on the first money bomb in November. I would have on Dec 16th but I was in the hospital undergoing emergency surgery for a bowel obstruction.

Long story short...if I have to CARRY RON PAUL ON MY BACK to see him in the oval office I will do it. I am Not a conspiracy theorist, nor is anything in Ron Paul message in any way shape or form anything other than sane, sensible, sound and will save this country from basically imploding from bad economics and or being destroyed by the rest of the world because we are butting in where we do not belong.

Huckabee strikes me as a complete fraud, plain and simple.

The ad was just a statement of facts. Nothing negative about it.

Peace and Prosperity to us all!

[quote]The other problem with this piece is that it's downright wrong.

Long ago Huckabee signed Grover Norquist's No New Taxes pledge.

http://www.atr.org/content/html/2007/march/030207pr-huckabeesignspledge.html

Posted by: jonkeeling | January 4, 2008 02:02 PM [/quote]

That's only that he won't raise Income taxes .... he could put in a 50% flat tax and still not violate his promise !!! Get the picture??

[quote]The Pledge binds signers to "oppose any and all efforts to increase the marginal income tax rates for individuals and/or businesses ... and oppose any net reduction or elimination of deductions and credits, unless matched dollar for dollar by further reducing tax rates." [/quote]

I was positively riveted when I first heard Ron Paul speak and that was back in May of this year. He said he was a Constitutionalist. I thought well, what do you know? You hardly ever hear mention of the most important document that our country was built upon anymore. I researched his record. It was solid as a rock. He is a man of integrity. Cannot be bought.

I joined 2 Ron Paul meetup groups in my area, registered as a Republican, which in a million years I never dreamed of doing. Researched what a real Republican is. Felt better about it after understanding the difference between democrat and republican.

I work 5 part time jobs and am still pretty poor, but for the first time in my life I donated $100 to his campaign on the first money bomb in November. I would have on Dec 16th but I was in the hospital undergoing emergency surgery for a bowel obstruction.

Long story short...if I have to CARRY RON PAUL ON MY BACK to see him in the oval office I will do it. I am Not a conspiracy theorist, nor is anything in Ron Paul message in any way shape or form anything other than sane, sensible, sound and will save this country from basically imploding from bad economics and or being destroyed by the rest of the world because we are butting in where we do not belong.

Huckabee strikes me as a complete fraud, plain and simple.

The ad was just a statement of facts. Nothing negative about it.

Peace and Prosperity to us all!

I was positively riveted when I first heard Ron Paul speak and that was back in May of this year. He said he was a Constitutionalist. I thought well, what do you know? You hardly ever hear mention of the most important document that our country was built upon anymore. I researched his record. It was solid as a rock. He is a man of integrity. Cannot be bought.

I joined 2 Ron Paul meetup groups in my area, registered as a Republican, which in a million years I never dreamed of doing. Researched what a real Republican is. Felt better about it after understanding the difference between democrat and republican.

I work 5 part time jobs and am still pretty poor, but for the first time in my life I donated $100 to his campaign on the first money bomb in November. I would have on Dec 16th but I was in the hospital undergoing emergency surgery for a bowel obstruction.

Long story short...if I have to CARRY RON PAUL ON MY BACK to see him in the oval office I will do it. I am Not a conspiracy theorist, nor is anything in Ron Paul message in any way shape or form anything other than sane, sensible, sound and will save this country from basically imploding from bad economics and or being destroyed by the rest of the world because we are butting in where we do not belong.

Huckabee strikes me as a complete fraud, plain and simple.

The ad was just a statement of facts. Nothing negative about it.

Peace and Prosperity to us all!

It's about time! In the ABC debate, all of the other candidates are stealing Ron Paul's speeches like they weren't flip flopping. Ron Paul isn't given enough credit and he needs to start punching these other candidates out! Right now it's all about you getting to know him, as soon as you Watch The Ron Paul Debates on YouTube, you too will realize we need him as our next American President. His opponent said it himself, "Jesus wouldn't have been a Politician". I think Jesus would approve of a Doctor as President, don't you? That's why I donated $125 to him; he's honest and I'm ready for a Change.

Huckabee won plaudits from conservatives by pushing a $90 million tax cut package through the Arkansas legislature in 1997, soon after he became governor. Largely on the strength of that tax cut, the Cato Institute awarded Huckabee a B rating in 1998, listing him as one of the country's "top ten tax cutters." But it was largely downhill from there. He was awarded a C in 2000 and 2002, a D in 2004, and an F in 2006. "Mike Huckabee of Arkansas went from being one of the best governors in America to one of the worst," the Institute declared. "The main reason for the drop was his insistence on raising taxes at almost every turn throughout his final term."

According to the Tax Foundation, the state and local tax burden on the average Arkansan increased from 10.1 per cent to 11.3 per cent under Huckabee. When he came into office in 1996, Arkansas ranked 30th in the nation as the state with the highest taxes. When he left at the beginning of this year, it had risen to 13th.

Overall tax revenues in Arkansas rose by some $500 million under Huckabee, according to the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette. In Huckabee's defense, $400 million of this increased revenue went to pay for improvements in the state's educational system mandated in 2002 by the Arkansas Supreme Court, to correct inequalities in education spending. The biggest tax increases came in 2003 and 2004, after the Supreme Court decision.

So what about all those tax cuts that Huckabee boasts about?

The Arkansas Department of Finance and Administration has confirmed that there were 90 tax cuts in the period 1995 to 2005, reducing revenues by $378 million. But many of these tax cuts were very narrowly tailored. A list assembled by the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette included the following:

Exempting Arkansas Symphony Orchestra from sales tax. Total revenues foregone: $20,000
An income tax deduction for organ donation: $76,000
Exempting county fairs from special events tax: $15,000.

Offsetting these tax cuts were at least 21 tax increases, including repeated tax hikes on tobacco, alcohol, increases in the sales tax, and a 3 per cent "income tax surcharge." The tax hikes brought in a total of $883 million between 1995 and 2003.

Reagan was a failure: Government was much larger when he left than when he arrived.

Maybe if you people would read eachothers comments you wouldn't post the same link over and over and over again.

It is not "negative" to compare voting records.

I don't think that speaking the truth equals negative attacks. Ron Paul would be out of line if he had no substance to back his statements, however he does, and these issues need to be brought to light. It is just too bad that Ron Paul has to do all the dirty work for the other candidates because they are too afraid to speak the truth for fear of appearing "less desirable". I am a NH resident, and I plan to vote Ron Paul in the upcoming presidential primaries. I think the media is grossly underestimating (and maybe pursposefully so), the strong influence Ron Paul has made for himself in NH. I don't think what happens in Iowa is necessarily going to have any impact on the voter's decisions here in NH. His supporters are very loyal, and that speaks a lot for his integrity.

You think Ron Paul is flaky? What about Giuliani scared out of his pants that al Queda is going to take over America? What about Romney who switches positions with a "just tell me what you want me to say" air? McCain, who says he's going to clean up Washington, but practically defines mainstream Washington himself? What about Huckabee, who would not stop a dime of DC spending but try to sooth-talk us as govt grows ever larger. No thanks - I want Ron Paul.

Stan- That video pretty much says it all in a nutshell. The proof is in the fact that paid mercenaries drive around with & "protect" OUR own government officials. That pretty much says it all. Why? Why is OUR military not protecting these special people? (Senators, Secretary of State, Ambassadors, etc.) Because they know, our soldiers are not as well equipped nor as well trained as these private mercenaries. This entire War, Conflict, Operation Freedom, whatever you want to call it is a farce. It's all about money, thus oil & big business spending & making money. That's it, it's not about Democracy or Freedom! Or Terrorists! We want our soldiers home NOW!

Ron Paul vs Mike Huckabee
The War Truth Video!
The #1 Video Proof of truth!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uk-T46soz8

Huckabee has said he's the only candidate to propose getting rid of taxes; the only candidate to propose getting rid of the IRS. In the runup to NH he's actually pretending to *be* Dr. Paul. He's the ultimate chameleon. Wheatever the audience, he's whatever he thinks that audience wants him to be. He's "against attack ads" even as he's showing one. How can countering such a barrage of nonsense with the actual proven record on an important political issue be negative?

Who Cares about what mike huckelberryfinn has to say, he's so bad, he makes bill clinton look good.

And I Don't like obama, the two parties are destroying this country and it makes me sick.

That's why I'm voting for ron paul for president.

I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS SPECIAL ABOUT GIULIANI. HE HAS IDEAS THAT EVERY SINGLE CANDIDATE HAS AND NOTHING DIFFERENT. HE CAN'T BE THE PRESIDENT, BECAUSE HE COULD NOT HOLD HIS HOUSEHOLD TOGETHER AND HE COULD NOT FIGHT BACK TO ANY OF HIS EX WIVES, SO HOW CAN HE HOLD LARGER AND SERIOUS PROPORTIONS OF PRESIDENTS'S LIFE IF COULD NOT HOLD IT AS HSUBAND'S LIFE. ANOTHER FAKE WANNABE THE PRESIDENT. HE WAS A GOOD MAYOR AND HE WENT THRU SEPT.11. CHAOS AND ALL MISTAKES THAT GOVERNMENT MADE AND BOTH COULD BE PREVENTED, BUT RAY NAGAN WENT THRU "KATRINA" CHAOS (COULD NOT BE PREVENTED), AND HE LED HIS PEOPLE THRU THE HELL BECAUSE THEY WERE DENIED ALL KINDS OF FEDERAL HELP, BUT RAY NAGAN IS NOT BRAGGING AND SAYING THAT HE COULD BE THE PRERSIDENT BECAUSE OF THAT. DO NOT VOTE FOR GIULIANY, SIMPLE.

f_krueger, you left out Guatemala (arable land) and Chile (copper) after Iran (oil).

i just think the negatives from taking part in overthrowing elected governments b/c of corporate interests far outweighs the assistance we've provided. i guess you could argue my definition of liberty stops at our border, but then i would say that our example of liberty would spread much faster thru free trade than by counterproductive covert (overt in some cases) action.

In the UK there are a lot of Anti-American groups who are very pleased at Ron Paul's bad showing in Iowa (they don't understand how unimportant Iowa is in the caucuses). They are dreading Paul becoming President as they want to see the USA permanently crippled.

I am not one of these people and spent three enjoyable years in the USA in my late teens.

Those of us who are, perhaps, more aware, know that the one important idea of Paul which will save the US is halving Government Spending. Bringing back the troops and closing nearly 800 bases around the world will probably do that alone.

I need to red up a lot about Libertarianism but apart from some basic moves, I doubt whether Ron Paul will be able to do a lot more whilst in office. At 72, it is even debatable if he will stay for a second term. But one term would be enough to save the United States.

To those that think that Ron Paul is a "flake", "over zealous" or just down right "unbalanced", then may I suggest you "read" just a little more & watch our controlled news broadcasts a little less. The Internet is great because it allows us to communicate with others from many different countries around our world. Most that I have spoken with are hoping Ron Paul wins. Why? Maybe because they hear a different news than we do.

Maybe the American public "just can't handle the truth"? The CIA & it's "false flags" tactics & incitement of the American people to get them behind unnecessary military attacks of others & then get the Congress to agree to help sustain them when they were obviously mistakes, is a tough truth to handle. Let me ask "Should we, as Americans, hold anyone without Habeas Corpus?" No due process, no charges brought, no representation allowed? I think not, this is NOT my American way. It violates everything our Constitution stands for. Then throw in a little "water-boarding" torture in foreign lands (so as not to be held accountable to American law) & I think we are in trouble. It is time the American public wakes up & smells the coffee. We are not only in big trouble, we are being manipulated at almost every pass. "War on Terror" should be renamed for what it really is "War to Create Terror in the Hearts of All Americans & Everyone else Around the World". Note, they (those truly with power) always use words that incite fear. Words like "War" & "Terror". We have the War on Terror & the War on Drugs. Their carefully chosen choice of words is one of the keys to their success of our manipulation.

I ask that if you read nothing else in the way of the printed word between now & our Presidential elections, please read our beloved American Constitution. Seek out some truths. What has the Department of Education done for our children? Have they been able to improve our educational system or have they caused a decline in the educational value of our children since their involvement? What has the Department of Homeland Security accomplished that was not accomplished mainly by our own local responders & local governments? Fund the CIA & allow for ease dropping to the American people's conversations?

Knowledge is the key to freedom. Those that founded our nation knew this well. Once one knows & understands the truth, then through this knowledge, one can correct the problems & set one's self free.

The statement, "Money is the root of all evil" was not very far from the truth. We broke from England because of their strangle hold on the American Colonies by requiring us to buy our money from the central bank of England, not print our own. Our forefathers vowed never to have a central bank. But yet... we have one now! The American public, through manipulation, demanded one back in the early 1900's. We made a mistake. Today, the Federal Reserve (named Federal, why? It is a private central bank, there's no Federal about it) has control over our economy. They are at present frightening us with loan failures, by covertly calling in their loans from our banks. This is another ploy to instill more unrealistic fears on the American public & manipulate our economy. They want to continue the illegal wars. They make great sums of money off these wars. They are the ones that "loan" the money to the American Government to spend to fight these wars, with interest on every dollar borrowed, might I add. (That trillion dollar deficit) As we can see for ourselves, the rich are getting richer & the poor are getting poorer. This is exactly what they want.

Add to this the "Patriot Act" (please read it) & we have been set up for a major fall, leading it's way to Martial Law.

Let me look into the future & take a wild, educated guess that between now & our Presidential elections, we will experience another major "terrorist" attack on our country. This time however, it will be attributed not to Bin Laden, but to the Iranians. Thus, giving us the OK to attack the Iranian people & enlarge our realm of terror on the world. It does not take a fortune teller to see the way things are heading & make this call.

Please look at history, it has a way of unfortunately repeating it's self. But I say, not only does it repeat it's self, it is manipulated by those so above the law that we may have become powerless over their influence.

Ron Paul may be ignored by the mainstream media because he speaks only the truth. Those holding the purse strings are fearful of him. He knows the truth. He is not swayed by falsehoods & false flags, he requires the true facts before acting. They know that a large majority of our citizens don't even vote. They know they are so preoccupied with their own lives at present, they will take the easy way out & let the major news medias "tell" them who to vote for.

Idealistically, our American President should be above reproach. He should not be controlled by big business or special interest groups. Ron Paul is this man. He is called "Dr. No" in Washington. And for good reason, he does not allow himself to be controlled by any group. He is controlled only by truth & knowledge.

Plain & simple, truth & knowledge will set us free. He is a good man with truly good intentions for our country. Don't believe me, please pick up a book & read some sad facts!

To those of you that think abolishing the Federal Income Tax is a major deal, you may not know the facts. Please look at your paycheck stubs. Social Security taxes at .0765% then matched by your employer to the tune of the same .0765 % totaling together just over 15% are the real taxes. Don't believe me, please check it out. Federal Income Tax is only a very small portion of the taxes we all pay each year to our Federal Government. Abolishing them, will abolish the IRS, which probably just barely pays for it's self by the revenue collected by federal income tax & strikes fear into the hearts of most Americans. There's that fear thing again. Go figure.

To those that think "Nationalized Health-care" is the answer, take a look at Medicare. The Federal Government has taken our hard earned Social Security Taxes (remember 15%)& used them to fund Wars, pay War contractors, etc. almost everything BUT provide affordable health-care to our elderly. Medicare is NOT free. Our elderly PAY for this out of their Social Security Benefit each month & they still must purchase a secondary insurance to cover the 20% & deductibles Medicare does not cover. Then, they added Medicare Part D to cover their drugs, generic drugs no less. Which already are available rather cheaply, $4.00 a script @ Wal-mart & other large Pharmacy chains. Much less than the cost of Medicare Part D monthly to our Seniors. What a joke! I think getting rid of the Department of Education & other unnecessary large Departments & possibly implementing an honest board of regulators that oversees fair Health Insurance practices makes much more sense. We don't need a huge Department of Insurance, just a board of honest people to oversee the Insurance Companies actions & take appropriate action. Our Government has become so large that it can not accomplish anything but Executive Orders, like sending our under paid troops with really lousy health-care benefits to undeclared Wars.

Please wake up before it's too late! Seek out the truth, don't just have it spoon fed to you. Investigate, read & learn. Then make an informed choice on who you think can make a difference in our government.

As for me, I have done my homework & I will be voting for Ron Paul, even if he's not on my ballot, I will write him in.

I really hate that he has gone negative. Surely he would know (especially after watching what happened to Romney) that most folks don't like this tactic. I'm truly disappointed in him and I think this will hurt him in the long run.

This is an excellent, truthful mail shot. It is being run in the Washington Post so it is being given even more exposure. Mike Huckabee is the first choice of evangelical Christians who are very active and committed. If he can be knocked out then the Christian vote should come to Dr. Paul. At least that is my opinion as a Christian.

I like what Paul has to say, I think he's in the running to clean some house AND senate if elected, the federal publicly unaccountable runaway megabloat needs to
go on a diet, and Dr. Paul can go ahead
and be the dietician, as far as I'm concerned. I don't think he'd try to strongarm Congress into spending money,
no more rubber-stamp thuggery there, I think from what I've read that he seems to be fairly honest, and I support that kind of approach. Transparency, reform, fiscal standards, adherence to the Constitution, principles that people can support and vote for. Comma. His opposition will come in the form of those seeking handouts. There will be resistance and opposition.
But, there would also be catharsis and a return to a more basic, fundamental if you will, concept of government, a TANSTAAFL
type of administration, good stuff there as far as I'm concerned. Go Ron Paul, as Independent if the Republicans won't have you! They've gone just as rotten as the Democrats in a lot of ways...reform doesn't have to hurt, but you do have to start! Tell these people to put DOWN the Government Doughnut, and slowly back away...LOL

Oh ?uckabee is a Socialist Commie like the Walmart money supporting him... Mitt is a fascist warpig... Mccain or Thompson... they don't even know what their platform is... Only Paul and all other devotees of freedom and equality are upfront... "just read the constitution" Honest simple sincere. You will not find a better platform! And this is what the twin towers were a symbol of... freedom equality... Know I ask you; who are the real perps that would want to attack this? Believe in freedom, believe in humanity.. Vote Paul 2008

Who is kidding who? If the IRS is abolished then who will collect taxes?, make sure we all pay our fair share? ferret out the cheats? And how will we pay for the FAA, FDA, national security, clean water act enforcement, etc etc. Don't you think that the rich will travel out of the countgry and buy goodies to bring home? What about buying on the internet? Yea, nobody likes the IRS, but tell me a better way that will work. (question)

Huckabee is a "Fair Tax" advocate. It is basically a national sales tax. Huckabee said the fair tax rate would be 23%. How would you like to pay 23% more for everything you buy rather than an income tax? This is a regressive tax that hurts the poor more than the wealthy. No wonder Dr. Paul attacked him. If Huckabee gets elected and imposes a fair tax on the U.S., many people might think about attacking him. Ron Paul has the best position on the issues. Most Americans do not realize that if government were smaller there would not be a need for income tax - tariffs and fees would pay for most of the government services. Our founding fathers made no mention of income taxes. Income taxes are the product of bigger and bigger government (answer)

As Mosk pointed out: apparently, Ron Paul believe there's only room in the Republican presidential field for one candidate who wants to abolish the IRS ; )

Posted by: JakeD | January 4, 2008 12:43 PM

Correct, and he will replace it with nothing......... :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uk-T46soz8

We need to listen to more of our troops.

I'm sold....Ron Paul 2008

'Peace through Strength" ring a bell?

Posted by: LarkinGMead | January 4, 2008 01:42 PM

No, it does not. I just watched some videos from military members and veterans for Ron Paul and they are living a nightmare. They are tired of being over there in this "no win" war and they are ready to come home. There is nothing to win, win what? Before long they will retaliate and retire on their own will from their duty. They are getting killed off for no reason. They don't catch on to this until they are stuck in the mess. Support our troops....support Ron Paul. It is a slap in the face to our own men and women who go to bat for us and we turn our backs on them.

Here's the news...the gloves are off now.
Time to hit hard on the issues that separate the candidates.

I don't see the flyer as negative.
Someone mentioned how these front-runners are suddenly talking about Ron Paul's platform and conveniently pawning them off as their own.

Every keyword Paul uses that gains popularity, they suddenly are the leading
advocate.

Ron Paul's in a dog fight. He's getting trolls from both sides trying to take his words out of context. Only one problem, they can't link him to all the mud, so they scream louder that we're all suckers for
giving him money.

Listen up, people. I gave my money so a message could be heard. Ron Paul happens to be the only one speaking that message.

So Kiss our Paulite butts.
If we're for him now, we're staying there.
Suck it up and move on, you only get one vote, too.

I remain an avid supporter of Dr. Paul despite this flyer (so called because people are apt to throw it into the wind shortly after having it handed to them). I think someone on his staff is a bit overzealous and put this out without having it vetted for good taste concerns. That said, I have yet to find any supporter of any of the other candidates willing to have as objective a view as I do of mine.

I believe most Americans have a limited attention span for anything not meant to entertain, so these flyers are seen as important communicators. However, there is a better way: just be concise. For example, I believe Ron Paul's campaign in two sentences would be the following:

1) Everyone needs to read a reputable economics book.
2) The U.S. government is not your mom.

That about sums it up. I'm sold. I'm voting for Ron Paul.

It's obvious that most people have NOT taken the time to really investigated any of the candidates and it is obviously that most want more of the same so they are willing to vote for the lesser of two evils.

Ron Paul is the only candidate who has a strict and disciplined understanding of the Constitution. If you cherish Freedom and Liberty it is our responsibility to guard it.

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are FREE.

I am a devoted Ron Paul supporter, and I don't intend any disrespect to any Huckabee supporters because I assume you're decent folks and sincere. In addition, I must admit I don't know much more about Huckabee than the media tells us. However, I have lived my entire life out west and something about Huckabee just doesn't set right with me - I just don't care for his persona.

To me Huckabee comes across as a fast taking used car salesman and my gut feeling is that I just don't trust him (the tricky dickey toothy smile, jokes and quips always at someone else expense, no straight definitive answers - dodging issues, crossing worker's picket lines and lime-lighting...)

What little I know of his politics and record - well sir, I don't really like much what I hear and meshes with my gut instincts. Regarding the flyer; facts are that in a presidential political campaign, this type of comparative analysis of a specific issue (flyer) is not dirty pool. I don't see this as any example of foul play on Ron Paul's part, but just setting the record straight.

jbrowning | January 4, 2008 10:06 PM
"Instead switch over to Mike Huckabee, he has the guts to go against the establishment and create the change that you want."

Huckabee is the establishment! Common folks! I can't believe I'm seeing a repeat of 2000 and 2004. When will people wake-up and realize that guys like Huckabee, Romney, Guiliani, McCain, Billary et al are crooks and liars? They don't care about you! They don't care about YOU! They didn't, they don't and they never will care about YOU!

As for FairTax, use your heads. First of all you can't buy all used goods. How about used food or used toilet paper, to name just a few of the many, many products you'll be buying new? Ask you surgeon to make-do with used sutures, used gauze and used medication so you can save some dough.

Second, you really think you're going to get a check for $500 a month from the government? It's utterly fantastic that people are believing this tripe. According to what people are posting on here, the majority of us, poor and middle-class, won't be taxed (and business and corporations, too).

Well, smell the coffee, because the rich, who are a minority in this country, will get exemptions, and if you don't think so then I have a bridge to sell you. So where is the money for these checks going to come from? Certainly won't come from saving money on federal programs and war, because all the candidates except for Ron Paul are WAR WAR WAR and SPEND SPEND SPEND.

What's left for us but a greater and greater tax burden? What's left for our children and grandchildren but paying for the mistakes we make today? If change, REAL change, doesn't come soon, this country is going to go down and go down hard. This is not news fresh off the press.

As for, "RP has zero chance of getting the nod so I am waiting (and hoping) for a 3rd party run." You can sit and wait or you can get off your butt and start spreading the word. If Ron Paul doesn't win, one of the reasons will be because of people who supposedly support Ron Paul's positions but take this kind of attitude against him.

This video, made by a young man recently returned from Iraq, speaks very eloquently about some of the diffeences between Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uk-T46soz8

We need to listen to more of our troops.

he/he jokers

he/he jokers

Washington Post is blocking me from typing
something that rhymes with Jon Taul, because they SUCK!

Dr. Ron Paul is an outstanding man with great intelligence and the guts of a burglar. He also has no chance of being the Republican nominee. His ideas are too far out of the mainstream. His proposed changes needed to be incremental, as dramatic frightens many people. If he had softened his message, he would have had a better chance. But then he wouldn't have been Ron Paul, would he?

Better ask which candidate who has a real chance is closest to him in intelligence and courage, and make a difference in who gets the nomination.

ron paul

Economy 101
Huckleberry Hound

Economy 101
Huckleberry Hound

washington post sucks

Ron Paul wants to eliminate the IRS and replace it with NOTHING because the IRS is the collection arm of the Federal Reserve! He also wants to abolish the Fed, by the way. The Federal Reserve is no more Federal than Federal Express-it is a PRIVATE BANKING CARTEL that has printed money out of thin air and charged all its customers usurious and outrageous interest rates on car and home loans for the last 95 years. During the life of a 30 year mortgage, a home owner will pay 2&1/2 to 3 times the original value of his home to the bank. Don't you think it's about time to stop paying three times for one home? Mortgage means "death grip" in French and that is exactly what the FED has on the American Public.

The Federal Income tax extorted from employed tax paying citizens goes to pay the INTEREST ON THE NATIONAL DEBT. No income taxes go for public use or projects; that funding is left solely to the states.

For great info on how the banks have bankrupted the US read The Creature From Jekyll Island by G. Edward Griffin.

Ron Paul fully recognizes the fraud that is the FED and speaks truth to power. We should all embrace the idea of eliminating the power the banksters have over us-we would live far more prosperous lives if they were GONE.

RON PAUL 2008.

every other version of compromise has been tried. help ron paul help those who don't want to compromise. learn your neighborhood and drive those to caucus who need it or babysitt for someone who needs it. let young people know that caucsing is first - if RP isn't on the ballot in Nov. they can't vote for him. send the word on myspace and facebook to have kids babysitt for parents so they can caucus......

Ericsmaurer:

Please explain why Ron Paul is flakey?

With 70% of Americans opposed to the Iraq war, could someone please explain to me how they think a pro-war candidate has a chance of winning the general election?

Ron Paul is the only republican with a chance in the general election, and unless people realize that and support him, then you might as well vote for Obama...the candidate who says he's for change.

Vote for the real candidate for change Ron Paul.

The reason Paul should go after Hickabee rather than the others is that Hickabee's entire campaign strategy has been to copy whatever Paul does, even up to suggesting that he would abolish the IRS.

Wow I guess the truth really does hurt. I'm curious as to why this is called an attack add if it's the truth. The American people deserve the truth and if you can't take your candidate being called on his record maybe you shouldn't back him. Makes sense to me.

Pointing out differences is NOT the same as running a negative ad. IMO, a negative ad is one that just attacks without stating your own positions or just flat out lies. I think illustrating the differences between Paul and Huckabee is legitimate. All of the statements are true.

I wouldn't classify the tax issue as an attack ad it's important to clarify policy and Ron Pal has a very strong record on taxes and the Constitution.

I'm a lifelong Republican and see him as the only Republican in the country.

He's not absurd and flaky everyone else is if you compare our Constitution and hard money mandated monetary system with the political and monetary system we have now.

Basically the Fed/Irs was set up as a debt based system to arm for WWI while we supposedly had no intention of even entering the war, you would have to think that the most powerful country in the world would have had time in nearly one hundred years to set up a stable saving based monetary and taxation system.

As far as the references to Fascism I had enough to retire on when Bush got in office
and my home was unlawfully foreclosed on by Ameriquest, Where did the money go? to gamble on colaterized debt obligations, of course 12 million of Roland Arnalls money went to get Bush reelected and after having been found guilty of defrauding nearly a million U.S. citizens by 49 A.G.s Bush made him ambassador to the Netherlands in order to escape prosecution by having the votes opposing his nomination thrown out. Sounds much and feels much like fascism to me as well as millions of others.

Roughly 6 million U.S. citizens have been displaced from their homes by Wall street profiteering financial criminals which created the sub-prime crises which is a risk to all of us. Kelo v New London eminent domain ruling allows a corporation or well connected private party to have the government kick you out of your home or business with armed force for profit.

What about taking the guns away from law abiding citizens in New Orleans while they were defenseless against the Violence and looting.

It's good to give the government some leeway to protect us and not riot in the streets every time something doesn't go our way but we have a Hispanic invasion in the western states, are buried in debt and losing our jobs, and manufacturing to other countries.

We don't have the time or the money to monkey around and put band aides on major Constitutional, economic, trade, and foreign policy we are very far away from wise and proven political action Ron Paul is the only candidate who has a realistic plan of action to restore our country.

His actions may sound extreme to some so-called conservatives but his message is classic limited government, savings based economy, property rights and freedom embodied by the founding fathers.

He's not off the track the country is.

Ron Paul is falling into the same Romney trap with negative ads. You would think he has enough knowledge to figure out how Mike Huckabee (David) brought down Mitt Romney (Goliath).

This goes to show Ron Paul doesnt have the knowledge to decipher cues like this. How it the world will he be president then if he can't read other world leaders?

It's obvisous Ron Paul can't read between the lines, the lights are glaring at him and he just keeps standing in the road not connecting cause and effect.

Those who want change in foreign affairs need to switch over to Mike Huckabee. He has the skill to communicate effectively with other nations. Mike Huckabee comes off a huge win and has the momentum.

Plus Ron Paul is too old, he's almost 72 years old. His body and mind are not fresh enough with energy to do battle. Don't lose your opportunity to create change in America by standing on the campaign of someone who will not win. If you are really concerned about your viewpoints, don't let it get lost by supporting someone who will not get the nomination.

Instead switch over to Mike Huckabee, he has the guts to go against the establishment and create the change that you want.

Aw :(. This is an unfortunate ad in my opinion; it insults the intelligence of anyone who has bothered to learn the facts.

While a picture of Dr. Paul smiling while standing next to a guy who is next to Ronald Regan while on a plane could hardly be considered the ultimate picture of togetherness, placing it in this ad would seem to suggest that Ron Paul is in full agreement with everything Reagan was about. As has been stated, this is not the case. Placing a picture of Huckabee & Bill Clinton is obviously meant to suggest the same thing.

C'mon, Dr. Paul is not about driving wedges between Americans. Ron Paul needs to vet ads released in his name -- I don't think he would personally approve this ad.

A negative ad is not one that tells the truth. It is one that tells only a part of the truth, so as to mislead the viewer. For example, when opponents say that Mike Huckabee issued 1000 commutations while Arkansas governor, they never say that he DENIED 6000 more commutations than Mitt Romney. When they say he wrote a letter to Wayne Dumond wishing he could commute his sentence, they never say that the letter contained his decision NOT to pardon Mr. Dumond. Fortunately, there is enough information out there so that most people see through the distortions. That is why negative ads eventually hurt those who produce them.

This is not a 'personal attack' to point out someone's record. A personal attack is to call someone a 'kook' or something.
See this Tax Hike Mike ad by someone other than Ron Paul. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNWoD2mzN04

www.ronpaullibrary.com for what Dr. Paul really believes.

I don't like to see anyone using attack ads either but it is probably necessary at such critical times and especially if it is the truth. The nasty comment implied and assumed by the Author attacking Paul about Reagan was obviously bias and not necessary, and may I add, not true. Ron thought highly of Reagan and they were friends, but hey, we all know the media likes to twist our words. I think a wise move to inform the evangelicals about Paul is to send them all a mailout about Chuck Baldwin's endorsement of Paul. I would also point out clearly that the lives of our troops and others are being sacraficed for a "no win" war and it must end. If you are a true christian, and you are aware of the issues, you would not support torture. It is not the people's fault. I am not here to attack anyone. It is lack of awareness and ignorance about the truth and the issues. I, for one, hope people don't become duped into voting for Huckabee. I have relatives in Arkansas who know the truth and if you go to answers.yahoo.com, type in: Huckabee, a wolf in sheeps clothing, you will find comments there pertaining negatively to Huckabee by citizens of Arkansas. And by the way, Ron Paul is a christian and a baptist and is pro-life. What we desperately need now is someone who is an expert in economics and will bring peace to the nation and the rest of the world. Paul reminds me of Noah (Noah's ark) The people shunned him and teased him, and ridiculed him and thought he was a loon and a kook. Then what happened? They didn't listen and it was too late.

Excuse me Mr. Mosk, this is not going negative. These are facts. We need to give the American people the WHOLE truth, not just what you or the main stream media want them to hear. Oh right.. "we report, you decide"...that is bologna...the part that you or the MSM aren't saying is "we report (what we want to report), you decide on that".

...And for the record. For some time now, Mr. Huckabee has been stealing Dr. Paul's ideas and trying to pass them off as his own...from Dr. Paul's web page design to some of his platform and even recently stealing his campaign slogan. Mr. Huckabee has even stolen ideas from the Ron Paul supporters such as the fund raising ideas and slogans we use to describe OUR r3volution.

Also, I am a Christian and Huckabee does not speak for me nor does he represent me. He is not a friend but another deceiver trying to use the Lord as his catapult to power. No matter how hard Huckabee tries, without the conviction, he cannot touch Dr. Paul..."well done good and faithful servant".

How is this negative? It's plain and simple record to record. Anyone who looks beyond the surface will uncover Huckabee's pro-tax record. If you like the reasons why huckabee raised taxes then you'll vote for him and this post card will have zero effect.

All this does is challenge people to do a little more homework.

Earth to:
ericsmaurer:
subject: flakiness

Flakiness you say; how about a guy who intimates that divine intervention is behind his success? Hmmm...sure does play well with the evangelicals. Then there is a guy who is for abortion unless he's against it, a guy who "watched" his Dad "march" with MLK,except for the fact that he wasn't in the country at the time and no one else can remember ever seeing his father march with King and oh, yes, and the guy who doesn't care if we're in Iraq for "100" or "...even a thousand years..." And...while we're at it, lets knock off Iran yesterday.

Wow...and you think Ron Paul is flaky...go figure...

Speaking of Huckabee's son, how many of the American people know of the firing of the SBI director related to that incident, simply because he did his job? Or his wife being a republican version of Hillary in the governor's mansion? As for constitutionality of certain laws, common sense should prevail. The "founding fathers" did not envision vicious criminals threatening and/or killing witnesses, al queda, or people with absolutely no common sense serving jury duty.
On the other hand, the "Patriot Act" is a classic example of "throwing the baby out with the bath water."

Is it not valid for a politician, any politician to say "YES, I raised taxes then because the circumstances required raising taxes, but now I believe the circumstances are for cutting taxes"?

What politician has ever labeled him/herself a "tax raiser"??? And if for the past 50 years all these politicians cut taxes, why aren't we at $zero right now? And if nobody raised them, how did they get so high?

@ericsmaurer, could you please provide examples of Ron Paul's 'flakiness'? I fail to see how a representative who has voted in a consisted fashion for 20 years could be labeled a 'loose cannon'. When engaged in a debate, Ron Paul addresses the issues in a reasonable, logical fashion without resorting to demagoguery. Nor does not make ad hominem attacks. While Paul's references to neo-cons and fascism are applicable, he spends more time talking about a non-interventionist foreign policy, improving the current monetary system, shrinking the size of the national government, dissolving the IRS and, of course, [irony] God forbid [/irony], heeding the U.S. Constitution.

Sorry that should be million ea7...without the word wrote. Didn't mean to attribute that to you.

millionea7 wrote:

Our foreign policy over the last 50 years was a mixed bag. You rightly point out that we screwed up, espeically with eliminating Mossadeq. (btw Turkey is NOT an oppressive dictatorship, the only people the military overthrows are committed Islamists who have threatened the Kemalist and democratic nationalism of Turkey, although that being said, I do not approve of their treatment of the Kurds). However, I also remember the the US supporting S. Korea, Japan, the Solidarity movement, and all of Western Europe. Those are situations where our "interventioism" has supported democratic causes. I believe, as the founding fathers do, that liberty is a universal principle. That is why I believe that American foreign policy should be based on portecting that which allows for liberty to flourish. In Iraq, I believe that was creating a democratic country (yes, I know it hasn't been going well, but most democracies don't begin well). In Iran, I beleive that we shouldn't invade becuase the blowback to Ahmadinejad will be a more moderate gov't. But The U.S. must focus opn the problems of the world if we are to be true to the universalism of liberty that the founding fathers expounded on. Our foreign policy, including mine, is far from perfect, but that doesn't mean that Ron Paul's is good.

Futhermore, I believe in free trade, and have no particular issue with that part of Paul's foriegn policy. However, I believe that the best way to ensure that trade is not to withdraw from international organizations like NAFTA, the WTO, or even the UN (I know they are not part of trade specifically, but leaving them still signals that the US turns its back on the world, which would not encourage investment).

This isn't so much an "attack" ad as a public service announcement. This is very pertinent info relevant to how Huckabee would conduct himself in office. I only wish someone will expose Huckabee's release of murderers, his law flouting and his flagrant favors for gifts style while Gov. There is a lot of dirt under his rug if anyone cares to peek there. The voters need to know- we don't need another one like this in the White House

Negative Add? I think not! Author needs to step away from the crack pipe.

It looks like a positive add to me! It conveys truth which I still think is a positive thing.

This author is a brainwashed politicly correct dunce, or worse a deceiver.

Calling the truth negative is very strange thing to me. I don't like it.

There is a series of 4 videos by a Dr. deagles that will open your eyes very widely the imperativeness of why we MUST
elect Ron paul . The first and second video tells what we are faced with . It'll
scare the hell out of you . The third tells us what we must do to survive and the 4th lets us know that we aren't alone .

We're dead meat unless we wake up and heed this brilliant man's revelence . It's a lot worse than any of us can imagine . Pass the word onto your friends and relatives .

Do a google on Dr. Deagle

I can't wait to vote for Ron Paul this coming Tuesday in New Hampshire.

Live free or die!

When the truth about an opponent's POLITICAL positions is considered negative we are in trouble. What else would you use to compare one candidate to another? How well they speak? How handsome they are? How quick they are with an ad lib joke? How they make people feel? How charismatic one is?
What happened to just doing a side by side comparison of a candidate's platform and how he has voted in the past? Consistency and truth telling used to be a big deal in America. Not how someone appeals to your emotions!!
Look - America is facing bankruptcy. The economy is staring to blow up. The dollar is head down big time. Government spending and the Federal Reserve have gone nuts. I kind of want my mother to keep getting her Social Security check and her Medicare. And for inflation not to eat it up more than it already has. The feds say it is 2.3% on the latest increase in Social Security checks when it's really closer to 8-10% AND getting higher. Without Dr. Paul's plans what else are we going to do? No one else has the courage to talk about the problems and propose solutions. Huckabee is rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic while it is sinking with his 23% sales tax. It is simple folks. There is no free lunch. WE NEED TO BALANCE the budget AND we need to CUT spending a LOT to balance it before you even think about cutting taxes. A REALLY WHOLE heck of a LOT.
Ron Paul is proposing to cut spending REALLY REALLY a LOT and to also cut taxes enough to then balance the budget. Huckabee just wants to keep spending like Bush, who has been spending like TWO drunken sailors for 7 years. We are in trouble. The national debt has doubled under Bush. The dollar is toast. I do not know anything else to do except to buy gold or silver, and vote for Ron Paul.

I see there are more and more HUCKBILLYS getting nervous about NH.

You better be, folks are not interested in bible thumpers in NH. They are interested in the RECORDS of politicians.

If I were a huckabilly I'd be too.

Ron Paul is just getting started.(look for another MONEY Nuc soon!)

So this is considered "negative" as Mr. Mosk suggested? Since when telling truth or stating mere facts become as "negative"? Thank you, Mr. Mosk for writing this article, it's about time! Seems like the Old Media doesn't do proper reporting as it's supposed to do lately! Would the Old Media report such information like this? On front page of newspaper or on Evening Prime time TV news? Nah, I don't think so. That is, until Mr. Mosk pointed it out... "hey, that's negative! negative! negative!" Oh, drama. The Old Media (yes, I like calling it that) is part of the big problem. It's this one machine which already has called Ron Paul and his supporters by nasty unmentionable names. That's not considered negative? Well, I guess that when the Old Media doesn't do its job right, then Ron Paul's campaign has to act as "media" for a time being, telling others the truth and facts whenever needed. And as Ron Paul supporter, I'd say... go for it. Although I only wish that the Old Media does its job right by reporting on anything worthy to tell everyone, on every candidate... about anything. Fair is fair. But it's no longer reliable and trustworthy. Much to my dismay, I used to be so naive, believing that the Old Media was trustful and truthful. But not anymore, after seeing this such blatant act of censorship (i.e. Faux "News" and the NH debate exclusion), suppression or distortion of vital information, bias (us so-called Front Runners and you ain't, so no debate for you!), attempts of smearing and who know what else... Thank you for exposing yourself like this. Millions are now are awakening... including children who are smarter than we may think! Old Media turns out to be not the true source of telling truth or accurate unbiased reports. It's just another corporation in business of making money by creating unnecessary drama at a great expense of America's democracy and electoral process. How sad! Thanks God for the Internet! That's the New Media! Keep its Net Neutrality! For its free flow of information without censorship! Thank you so much. Have a great evening!

By the way, who says we must keep IRS? Who says we must keep the "Federal" Reserve? Says who?!?! Cheers!

please people we gave twenty five million.its now or never cant attack mccain state nh loves him this scum bag huckabee was a very good attack and well desrved im hopeing that ron paul slams him at the debates people that dont like huckabee will flock to paul it was a good attack but we need ron paul to pounce on this fake man at the debate huckacrap!!!!letts get him

f_krueger, you write: "Oh, and Ron paul supports liberty? His foriegn policy doesn't jive with that claim."

how does his foreign policy of non-intervention not jibe (jibe, not jive) with his ideology? he preaches free-trade with ALL nations, entangling alliances with none. our foreign policy the last 50 years of over-throwing elected governments is what does not jibe with liberty. our foreign policy the last 50 years of financially and militarily backing dictators and oppressive regimes (Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Turkey) does not jibe with liberty.

Ron Paul's foreign policy of non-intervention jibes with liberty quite well. our nation's current foreign policy is what gets Americans killed.

I spent an hour or so giving fairtax.org an honest look. I like the fact that a consumption tax encourages people to save money..something we as a country need to a lot better at. I think that it is a little fishy in that the site says everyone will pay less taxes, but the government will not lose any income. Abolish the IRS - sure sounds good - gets a lot of applause, but no real mention of the equally massive increase in the social security administration that has to send us all our government handout every month and collect the tax from all the businessess. Might as well call it the IRS since it will be the same people sitting behind the desks.

to t_langon: What book?

yes Ron Paul supports liberty if you want to understand him read the works of Thomas Jefferson,John Adams,Madison,the founding fathers.They created the principals and Ron Paul is the only person that abides by them.
If this country is to survive we need to understand those principals and live by them.
If we keep up what we are doing this once great country is going the way of Rome and the rest of the empires.We are not a democracy we are a republic and this was supposed to be a government of the people not a government of the rich.

Unfortunately it took segregationist Governor Wallace to reveal the truth that "there's not a dime's worth of difference between" Republicans and Democrats. The Democrats willingly went along with the War in Iraq, suspension of Habeas Corpus, detaining protesters, banning books like "America Deceived' from Amazon, stealing private lands (Kelo decision), warrant-less wiretapping and refusing to investigate 9/11 properly. They are both guilty of treason.
Support Dr. Ron Paul and save this great nation.
Last link (before Google Books bends to gov't Will and drops the title):
http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?&isbn=0-595-38523-0

I agree with the poster who noted that the "new" GOP doesn't care about taxes or fiscal matters. To win, you must hate Muslims & Hillary, praise Jesus & support a 1984ish eternal state of war against those who hate us because we are "free". (LOL)

Hickabee LOVES the nanny state, wants to enforce "correct" behavior - no smoking, no fats. What next? A ban on alcohol or mandatory church attendence? RP has zero chance of getting the nod so I am waiting (and hoping) for a 3rd party run.

Google Trends- Ron Paul Winning the Race!
(OK, does not say it all, but says a lot)
Play with the search, add all candidates, do a state-by-state... it is pretty amazing.

http://newsusa.myfeedportal.com/viewarticle.php?articleid=24&viewarticles=1&sessionid=367b6ade74d6ea64af722886a43eeba5

Paul has to hit Huckster on the IRS issue. Huck lives two opposing lives inside his own brain like most politicians. He says "cut taxes" but his record in Arkansas shows him the most tax and spend governor in the history of Arkansas. Far greater than anything Clinton did in that area. So, Huckster is just saying this to get votes, in fact, stealing it from Paul. What a disingenuous jerk. He has proven he is a tax and spend liberal; and has to be called on it because he's not going to abide by this campaign promise. Only Ron Paul proves his words with actions in congress out of all the candidates.

Call me a RAT, but I would like to propose a sneaky little trick!

The Republicans get together, form a Unity Package, and spend the next few months of the Primaries, BASHING the Dims!

Pulling Missled Conservatives back from the gates of Libbie Hell! Back to the Big Tent!

Sounds like a whole lot more productive strategy to win in November, that tearing EACH OTHER apart and sending more Conservatives over the Leftist Cliff!

Let the Lawyer Sharks feed on their Own! Target the Dims, and pull additional support away from their Ranks! Stop losing Conservatives by attacking the Conservative they thought they liked! Just because they got turned off to Huck, does not mean they became sold on Ron Paul!

Conservatives! All together now!

Amnesty? Liberal Judicial Appointees?
Clinton will! Obama wants to! Richardson-Make me LMFAO!, Edwards-he loves Libbie Judges! He is a Ninth Circuit Kind of guy!

What will Barack Hussein do with Taxes? That ACLU Obama Guy!?

Get it?

Not one dime of income taxes goes toward government functions. It all goes to the interest payment on the national debt.
Faux News, CNN, & the rest of the NWO shills took a guy who was lost in single digits, and officially broke, and proved to themselves that they DO CALL the shots when it comes to convincing an idiot laden populace what to think and who to vote for.
I think Huckabee will soon fall by the wayside when the skeletons start to rattle.
Romney being a silent partner in the group that just aquired Clear Channel Communications should have sent off rockets within the media as in conflict of interest. But when you ARE the media....

I do not understand the Paul strategy, nor do I understand why this is so important. Not to criticize Mr. Mosk (hey the story is somehwat curious) but I think there are more important poltical stories to discuss in general.

Huckabee is somewhat of an anaomaly. I would have never suspected that someone who supportted the Fair Tax would be in this race this far, nor an Iowa winner. I do not like the Fair Tax beucase I don't think that a radical change in our tax code is something that will help the economy. IMO consumer confidence and investment (foriegn and doemstic) will take a hit once they see that the US no longer holds certain lynchpins in the economy. If anything, what will improve (not save, b/c the econ is fine overall) the economy is if the US holds on to its relative fiscal stability. The Fair Tax makes people fear an avalance, and thus will bring down investment.

(FWIW I support McCain). Oh, and Ron paul supports liberty? His foriegn policy doesn't jive with that claim.

I am a big Ron Paul supporter. I believe he is the only one in the race who will truly do anything to shrink our ever expanding Federal Government. I am also for abolishing the Income Tax.

However, those criticizing Huck & The Fair Tax as a 23-30% tax increase on goods don't understand the Fairtax. It would also remove corp taxes which pay in the price of goods today.

If we have to replace the Income Tax (we don't), this would be the fairest way. AND it would not hurt the poor. Just read the book. It's very straightforward.

However, I still firmly believe the Fed Gov't could make do with 45% less revenue, and still be able to make payments on the debt. So, Fairtax should not be necessary

Fairtax is not a regressive tax and it will not hurt the lower and middle class. By not taxing businesses they will be able to lower prices on objects you buy, which they will. See http://people.bu.edu/kotlikoff/Comparing%20Average%20and%20Marginal%20Tax%20Rates%2010-17-06.pdf
for a Boston University Study on how fairtax actually provides a lower marginal tax rate for all.

Also, those that argue that losing tax breaks, deductions or credits for things like non-profit donations, it won't matter, because you won't be taxed on that donation under the Fairtax plan.

Also about the prebates, estimated prebates for a couple with 2 children is $525 month. Thats what the government gives you, in addition to your entire paycheck!

Finally, want to avoid taxes, buy used things like used cars and houses, and you won't be taxed...

Ron Paul is right about one thing. Huckabee's tax a spend program will haarm us all!

Huckabee's son's torture and killing of a stray dog is relevant because Gov. Huckabee pressured the Chief of Police of that jurisdiction not to charge his son with animal cruelty charges. Huckabee 'wings' any given situation with his Elmer Gantry-like gift of the gab, without any firmament of principles to base his decisions and actions on.

Ron Paul consults the US Constitution, as his oath of office requires, for every decision his makes regarding the legitimacy of any legislation.

Why is it that no one except Ron Paul has mentioned that private bankers control our money supply and that our income tax checks are deposited directly into the Federal Reserve account?? I think that if candidates campaigned for government ownership and control of the central bank the polls would be rigged against them and they would get very little media coverage. I will vote for the candidate who will take care of Americans, not international bankers. This is the single most important issue in this election and it is being covered up. Google "Money as Debt".

Whoever started this idea that negative ads are bad should be shot on site. Bad ads are ads with lies in them. Exposing the negatives to each candidate is extremely important and must happen for us to make an informed decision. Do you think Huckabee is going to tell us all the things we won't like about him? It is the not only the right, but the duty of the other candidates to put out "negative" ads to expose their competition. Just think about it, if the Republicans don't scrutinize each other, they would be just like the Democrats, telling us all the wonderful "gifts" they will give us for free and never mention that they'll have to tax the hell out of us to come through with their promises.

Socialism: high taxes to government "experts" to act as "parents" to members of society.

Liberty: Little or no tax...government let's us run our own lives. Self-responsibility is a key.

So far...I see RON PAUL as the ONLY candidate supporting liberty.
ALL of the others are socialists. Aren't they? Robbing the rich and poor, keeping alot of it, and then "giving" it back on their terms.

I don't necessarily like negative ads, but the target candidate in question isn't going to bring up his or her own negatives, the press can't be trusted to for the candidates they like and people SHOULD know the dark side of everyone involved. So if someone's going to sling mud, let it be the competition.

As a Canadian with an unbiased view of the current American situation, I am completely disgusted by the treatment of Ron Paul by your major media institutions. Ron Paul is a severe threat to your country's richest and powerful ... cnn/fox/abc are purposely and quite obviously shutting him out and ruining his reputation. Anyone with half a brain can notice this. He is an advocate on basic human rights and an expert on the sensible microeconomics which will save your dollar and restore a healthy middle class economy. He will restore your beautiful, envious constitution and infinitely increase your country's respect around the world.

However, Ron Paul doesn't stand a chance of winning, which is very sad. Your country is going down hard, and it's going to take the rest of the world with it.

I hope the campaign also included a letter that stated...
"We were planning on mailing these out but decided against it, here it is to prove to you that we had it."
It would seem that the Huck supporters would find that more appropriate.

Just a quick correction on the "FairTax" -- it would be a 30% national sales tax, not 23% as Huckabee tries to fool people into thinking.

If you bought a $100 item, the tax would be $30. They call it 23% because $30 is 23% of $130, but that's not how sales taxes are calculated. It's misleading, and intentionally so.

The tax would apply to food, rent, new houses, even interest above the minimum rate. It would be a disaster for the economy.

yep ron paul is scarey all right after all most of his ideas come from radicals like jefferson,adams,madison,hamilton,franklin and the like.How can the american people trust whackos like them?

I don't know why the Evangelicals support Mike Huckabee and his 23% flat sales tax. With the current tax system Evangelicals benefit from the tax deduction of paying tithing. With the flat tax, the deduction goes out the window. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

Taxes are needed for services that individuals cannot provide for themselves. What is wrong with taxes is that the people get back so little for them. When Mike Huckabee was governor of Arkansas, he raised some taxes and lowered others. The important point is that he accomplished a lot with those taxes, ran an efficient government, as he has run an efficient campaign. He was re-elected because of how he handled taxes.

To be against taxes in general is wrong. To be against excessive taxes that contribute to waste, fraud, and pork barrel spending is right. Huckabee is not weak on taxes; he is very strong. He wants to increase tax income by changing the tax system so that those who do not now pay will no longer be exempt. That will decrease the burden on the rest of us. Ron Paul is also for the Fair Tax. To attack him on that issue will be suicidal for Dr. Paul.

I am really surprised at how little most people really know and understand about "Fair Tax". Before you write about something you know little or nothing about please visit www.fairtax.org to acquaint yourself with the facts! Fair tax taxes consumption at the rate of 23%. Do you think corporations pay taxes? No, they pass them along to the consumer as "imbedded" taxes so, in reality, we're already paying around 22%. Again, please visit www.fairtax.org for a more indepth explanation of "imbedded" taxes. And, this would help NOT hurt the poor as they would get a rebate check from the government every month reimbursing them for taxes spent on essentials. Imagine being able to walk out the door with every dime in your paycheck. No payroll taxes! No more IRS filings! Imagine the savings by eliminating the IRS and other unnessary departments such as the Dept of Education. Again, please read the information and if you're going to express your opinions make sure you've got your facts straight. Otherwise, you're doing a great disservice to something that would benefit working Americans.

mel0309, you write: "He seems like the type to make rash decisions before thinking of what might happen. Can you imagine his presidential address in a crisis situation. Too scary for me."

quite the contrary, Ron Paul is always the voice of reason when it comes to foreign and monetary policy. if anything, maybe he over analyzes, but he never jumps to a conclusion without considering historical perspective. for example, he voted against the Iraq war and condemned those that played the "un-patriotic" card because he knew that you cannot wage war on just an idea (Islamofascism) instead of a specific enemy and still maintain focus. he's the careful voice of reason regarding war with Iran (and yes, bombing is an act of war).

Ron Paul does not make rash decisions. Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz made rash decisions and wanted to extend those actions into "the other 60 countries harboring terrorists." [to quote Wolfowitz] see where that's gotten us?

I'm glad to see it. Someone needs to expose Huckabee's awful record on taxes and spending, and point out that Ron Paul is in a class by himself for voting against tax hikes, against new taxes, and for tax cuts and tax credits.

Ron Paul gets a lot of press for opposing the war, but on spending, taxes, abortion, gun rights, and immigration, he's the most consistent conservative in the race.

Huckabee is polling barely ahead of Paul in New Hampshire. If Ron Paul can move up to third and sink Huckster to fourth, he could help finish off Huck's underfunded campaign.

It's only too bad Ron Paul didn't score 3 percentage points higher in Iowa, so he could have finished ahead of McCain, the candidate the political "experts" are calling the real winner in Iowa.

Since when is telling the truth about someone a "personal attack." Huckabee is a tax-and-spend guy, much like Bill Clinton and George Bush. As far as Ron Paul calling Reagan a "failure," that's true, as well. He was a failure. He promised to abolish the IRS and return to the gold standard, and he didn't do it -- and that's part of the reason why the economy is in the mess it's in today. Paul, however, was also a friend of Reagan and one of his early supporters. Unfortunately, Reagan never took advantage of the enormous mandate that he received. Ron Paul, when elected, will finish the job Reagan never really started.

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=qQmkkoxSKYw

"Ron is always in crisis mode and seems to become very excitable and almost obsessive in tone. We need someone who is pragmatic, steady and consistent and can communicate to the American people a vision for our future." - LarkinGMead

I think LarkinGMead hit the nail on the head.

I do like some of what RP wants to do and some of the ideas he has but I just don't think he is the type of leader America needs right now. He seems like the type to make rash decisions before thinking of what might happen. Can you imagine his presidential address in a crisis situation. Too scary for me.

Anyone interested in what Huckabee is really like face to face should try this funny (but it actually happened) column:
http://goupstate.us/index.php/lanefiller/2007/11/02/title_14

Don't get it, yet? MSM, CEO are gleeing with delight. Huckabee will be very flexible with the special interest groups and lobbyists. He will bend quicker than a Willow Tree in an EF5 Tornado.

Ron Paul - One strong Oak Tree!

To clarify, I was not implying the FAA, FDA, or highway system were in place in 1916. My point was there were federal services and agencies that existed but other taxes were used for them. They still are used for all federal agencies and services. The income tax pays the debt which is unnecessary if we're more frugal. The extra money we'd all have without paying an income tax can be used to pay our mortgages, buy things that stimulate the economy, buy our own health insurance or pay doctors directly, give to charity, etc. It would be an economic explosion that would especially benefit the middle class which would then benefit the poor by hiring them or giving to charities that are far more efficient than government "charities" that waste 70% of their expenditures.

How is comparing records a negative ad? "Negative" is calling someone a "kook", "conspiracy theorist", or "long shot", without providing any meaningful arguments.

Paul has a point, Huckabee is all about big government.

What do you expect him to say?

jerrynrita - you struck the nail on the head: just how "necessary" are these programs? the Dept of Homeland Security is just more bureaucracy piled on top of poor performing and bloated agencies- cut the DHS, streamline the others. if you knew how ineffectual and corrupt the FDA was you'd demand they be shut down and get a tax refund for all the money they've wasted. the Dept of Education (created in 1980) is a $5 billion a year bureaucracy pushing out No Child Left Behind requirements onto State Education agencies that are better suited to the demands of their children than any Fed agency. a Ron Paul presidency would force everyone in this country to take a long hard look in the mirror and figure out why the h*ll we just sent Afghanistan aid to dispose of their opium farms when it was just reported that their opium crop has tripled! our country is a mess, a fat bloated inefficient mess and it all starts at the top with the wasteful centralized FedGov.

LarkinGMead - how about "strength through not repeating mistakes of the past?" Ron Paul is absolutely right about Iraq and the rest of the Middle East. we funded Osama Bin Laden against the Soviets, we trained him how to kill and gave him weapons. we funded Saddam against Iran, we trained his people how to build chemical weapons and gave him weaponry. see a pattern? now we're funding Musharraf in Pakistan... and the cycle repeats itself. they hate us because we are over there meddling in their lives and making their societies worse by backing dictators. empires fail, for another pattern see the Roman Empire, the Ottomans, the Spanish, the British. we're the only ones aspiring to be an Empire now. it's doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where this is going.

You sure you can't still change in Florida? Is Florida an open primary?

Jerry, the income tax only pays the interest on the national debt. It doesn't pay for the FAA, FDA, or any other agency. Direc taxes on the airlines per flight, taxes on food and drugs prior to distribution that you never see because they're included in the price, gas taxes for highways, etc all exist to pay for those things even today just like they did prior to 1916 when the income tax was created. We could eliminate the debt and thus the income tax by cutting federal sending yet keeping those other taxes until the debt is eliminated and then those taxes can be lowered as well. It's not that hard, but there has to be someone in power willing to start the process. Even if Ron Paul is not elected, we should all try to elect someone who wants to start this process at every level of government. This is just the wake up call. Join us, won't you?

Im a registered Democrat and in Florida. I wish I changed to republican cause after researching both sides I found Ron Paul to be the most intelligent and the only one that can save this Country.

And another thing .... last nite the MSM kept showing everyone's percentage on the PIE chart for the democrats (they even went to Richardson's 2%) however when they showed the PIE chart for the Republicans the 10% for Ron Paul showed a white blank piece of the PIE. Talk about MSM censoring. Well at least CNN did show his percentage at the bottom of the screen, FOX NEWS AND MSNBC were downright dirty when it came to Ron Paul and his percentage of 10%.

Where's the story Ron beat Rudy!

I think Ron Paul should go after all of their records! Going after someone's record is part of politics, if you want warm and fuzzy then find another interest.
Call someone another "slick willy from arkansas" is attacking Huckabee's character. I'm doing that! I am very good at summing up a person's character and he is another slick willy from Arkansas (sorry Arkies). Believe me, using your Christianity with light laughter and banter for political gain shows his character!

Since when is telling the truth a negative attack?

The truth is FOX news doesn't want the truth out so they censor Ron Paul from the Republican forum. Any Fox radio station that carries it will be notified to the FCC as being against the community and demanded they lose their broadcasting license for censorship. Not allowing candidates that won more percentage of votes in Iowa and leads others in New Hampshire polls is trying to fix the election. Fox news is propaganda organization and they will fall and so will their advertisers.

It must be frustrating for the Republican candidates seeing as how the leader right now is not a real conservative.

Who is kidding who? If the IRS is abolished then who will collect taxes?, make sure we all pay our fair share? ferret out the cheats? And how will we pay for the FAA, FDA, national security, clean water act enforcement, etc etc. Don't you think that the rich will travel out of the countgry and buy goodies to bring home? What about buying on the internet? Yea, nobody likes the IRS, but tell me a better way that will work.

Jerry

Just the facts maam..

Dr Paul(HE OF THE IMPECCABLE FEDERAL VOTING RECORD not mere CFR parroting and Arkansas TAXRAISING like the Huckster)points out the facts....that the MEDIA and GOP and Huckleberry's team does NOT want the voters to realize...

a "personal" and "negative" attack????????????

Huckleberry and his oblivious Pavlovian supporters(who fulfill in SPADES the warning of Upton Sinclair on the installation(and proudly and patriotically by their ilk)of fascism in America and have THIS SOCIALIST and BIGGOVERNMENT HACK AND HIS AGENDA to DEFEND and ladle on to the GOP and America???

who can still support this shill for big government and bassplayer SBC exMinister singing Good Golly Miss Molly sure like to Ball?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Huckabee is a "Fair Tax" advocate. It is basically a national sales tax. Huckabee said the fair tax rate would be 23%. How would you like to pay 23% more for everything you buy rather than an income tax? This is a regressive tax that hurts the poor more than the wealthy. No wonder Dr. Paul attacked him. If Huckabee gets elected and imp