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Joel's S.C. Diary

S.C. Conservatives Look for Their Man


The Newberry, S.C., courthouse. (The Washington Post).

By Joel Achenbach
The worst thing you can say about a Republican candidate is that he's not really, truly, authentically conservative. So it was that Mike Huckabee, talking a few days ago at The Citadel, noted the attacks on him for being something other than conservative, and then ran through a litany of his achievements as governor of Arkansas. His voice rising, he said, "Anybody with an IQ above broccoli calls that conservative!"

The Republican presidential contenders have been trying frenetically to sell themselves as authentic, solid, unflinching conservatives. This is critical in the Deep South, where Republicans aren't necessarily "social conservatives" or "fiscal conservatives" or "national security conservatives," but just plain ol' conservatives -- hard right all the way down the line, and proud of it.

The Republican contest in the South Carolina has historically tugged candidates toward the right, as when John McCain waffled in 2000 on whether the Confederate flag should be flown on the state capitol -- a pander for which he abjectly apologized after he was out of the running, saying he had compromised his principles. Just a few days ago, Huckabee courted those who favor flying the Confederate flag, framing it as a case of outsiders trying to tell South Carolina what to do.

There may be some liberal Republicans in the Deep South, but they're as hard to find at campaign gatherings as an ivory-billed woodpecker.

"I am conservative to ultra-conservative," said Cindy Koon, 37, at a Fred Thompson campaign event Thursday in Prosperity, S.C. (which was originally called Frog Level, but "they couldn't get a train to stop at a place called Frog Level, so they renamed it Prosperity," she said).

Lorraine Waterfall of Newberry, asked where she stands on the liberal-to-conservative ideological spectrum, said, "Strom Thurmond conservative. Does that answer your question?"

It did, but she elaborated nonetheless.

"I'm concerned about the borders. I'm concerned about the economy. I'm concerned about socialism coming in. Of course, we already have some socialism."

Tom Barber, a county worker sitting in a pickup truck in Newberry as he waited for Fred Thompson (touring in a bus emblazoned with the words "The Clear Conservative Choice - Hands Down!") to show up, said he's "very conservative" and said he wouldn't vote for John McCain because "Some of McCain's choices have not been as conservative as I like." He cited McCain's opposition to the Bush tax cuts as an example. "Anybody who wants tax increases is not a conservative," Barber said.

South Carolina is just the start; more southern states vote imminently. Although Florida, with its culturally diverse population, doesn't generally get viewed as the Deep South, it is anchored to the continent by staunch conservative territory that stretches from Jacksonville to Pensacola and dips down the peninsula to places such as Ocala and Lakeland. Then comes Feb. 5, when Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee and Arkansas cast their ballots.

Thursday afternoon Thompson did a stroll through the sparsely populated retail area of downtown Newberry, S.C. As he got off his bus, he was greeted by a local supporter named Chad Connelly, who directed Thompson's gaze to a mural on the façade of the old courthouse. It shows an eagle holding a ribbon upon which dangles an uprooted palmetto tree. On one end of the tree, a dove holds an olive branch. On the other end, near the root-ball, is a gamecock, a symbol of South Carolina.

"The gamecock looks back in defiance," Connelly told me after Thompson had left.

What's that mean?

"I think it means, hey, we love America, but we're holding you accountable for the whole states' rights thing," he said.

He said Thompson doesn't have to repair relations with any of the various branches of conservatism: "He doesn't have to apologize to the social conservatives, or the fiscal conservatives or the military conservatives."

The question for Thompson is whether his message -- however conservative -- amounts to too little, too late.

Posted at 6:00 PM ET on Jan 19, 2008  | Category:  Joel's S.C. Diary
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No, american1. A liberal will simply shake his head in sad disappointment at the capacity of some for self delusion (especially as to their own wittiness), then go out smiling into the great new day, ready, eager and optimistic to fix the country that the neocons have screwed up. Actually, so will true conservatives. Lonely people without a life will post bait on websites under a pseudonym.

Posted by: treetopflyer | January 20, 2008 10:51 AM

To clarify what happened in South Carolina tonight, Fred Thompson split the ticket, as Ross Perot split the ticket on H Bush in South Carolina. Huckabee supporters must start today answering the established media's attack on Mike Huckabee and expose the records of McCain, Romney, and Thompson.

Posted by: d_shoup | January 19, 2008 10:58 PM

For those that don't know about history...... here is a condensed version.

Humans originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic hunters/gatherers. They lived on deer in the mountains during the summer and would go to the coast and live on fish and lobster in the winter.

The two most important events in all of history were:

1. The invention of beer, and

2. The invention of the wheel. The wheel was invented to get man to the beer.

These were the foundation of modern civilization and together were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:

1. Liberals

2. Conservatives.

Once beer was discovered, it required grain and that was the beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can were invented yet, so while our early humans were sitting around waiting for them to be invented, they just stayed close to the brewery. That's how villages were formed.

Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to B-B-Q at night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what is known as the Conservative movement.

Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live off the Conservatives by showing up for the nightly B-B-Q's and doing the sewing, fetching, and hair dressing. This was the beginning of the Liberal movement.

Some of these Liberal men eventually evolved into women. The rest became known as girlie-men.

Some noteworthy Liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the invention of group therapy, group hugs, and the concept of Democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that Conservatives provided.

Over the years Conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest, most powerful land animal on earth, the elephant. Liberals are symbolized by the jacka$$.

Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added), but most prefer white wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but like their beef well done. Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare. Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of their women have higher testosterone levels than their men. Most social workers, personal injury attorneys, journalists, dreamers in Hollywood and group therapists are Liberals. Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn't fair to make the pitcher also bat.

Conservatives drink domestic beer. They eat red meat and still provide for their women. Conservatives are big-game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks, construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police officers, game wardens, constitutional law lawyers, corporate executives, athletes, Marines, and generally anyone who works productively. Conservatives who own companies hire other Conservatives who want to work for a living.

Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to govern the producers and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the Liberals remained in Europe when Conservatives were coming to America. They crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business of trying to get more for nothing.

Here ends today's lesson in world history.......

It should be noted that a Liberal may have a momentary urge to angrily respond to the above before forwarding it.

A Conservative will simply laugh and be so convinced of the absolute truth of this history that it will be forwarded immediately to other true believers.

Posted by: american1 | January 19, 2008 7:47 PM

(yawn directed at Fred Thompson, not at slim2)

Posted by: staff | January 19, 2008 7:13 PM

*yawn*

Posted by: staff | January 19, 2008 7:12 PM

Lorraine Waterfall of Newberry is concerned about socialism coming in, obviously she plans on returning her social security check to the treasury and paying for pills and medical bills from her own pocketbook. I'm sure she understands the difference between good and bad socialism. Bad is when government aids a stranger's kid in seeking an education, or makes it possible for working stiffs having access to health care. You do understand the difference?

Posted by: slim2 | January 19, 2008 7:11 PM

FRED THOMPSON is the best person to lead this country. He is a true conservative and has been his entire life. All one has to do is check his record to see this.

During my time in the Army as an Intelligence Analyst, I served under both Presidents Carter and Reagan (as my commanders in chief). Without argument, President Reagan was the best commander-in-chief a military person could ever have served under. Fred Thompson possesses the same qualities and vision as President Reagan in that he is strong on national defense and sees a dire need to secure our borders and control immigration.

I can think of no better person to lead this country and fix the problems we have. He is the only candidate from either party who has specific and detailed plans on border security and immigration reform; revitalization of America's armed forces; saving and protecting Social Security; and tax relief and economic growth. These are detailed on his Web site at www.fred08.com . I challenge you to find any other candidate who has laid out specific plans to fix anything.

Fred Thompson has published his first principles, some of which are mentioned above. In addition to those, he strongly believes in individual liberty, personal responsibility, limited government, federalism, traditional American values, the rule of law and is a strong proponent of the Second Amendment -- all concepts established during the birth of our country and documented in our Constitution.

Again, try to find any candidate who has laid out their plans to "fix" this country. You will find they all speak in vague and abstract terms on their plans.

For those who have heard Fred Thompson speak, you will usually hear him say that the Fred Thompson you see today is the same Fred Thompson you saw yesterday and is the same Fred Thompson you will see tomorrow. He stands by his principles and values and doesn't shift his positions based on polls or public opinion; in other words, he doesn't say what the voters want to hear just to get elected, but remains steadfast on his views and convictions.

During his time in the Senate he focused on three areas: to lower taxes, strengthen national security and expose waste in the federal government. Fred Thompson has foreign policy experience, having served as member of the Senate Foreign Relations and Senate Intelligence committees.

As chairman of the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee, he opened the investigation in 1997 on the Chinese government's attempt to influence American policies and elections, and this investigation identified connections with the Clinton administration (documented in the committee's report).

As a member of the Finance Committee, he worked tirelessly to enact three major tax-cut bills. Fred Thompson remains steadfast and even though a person may not agree with all his views and he understands some may disagree with him, you can count on him to be consistent and unwavering.

Don't be fooled by his laid back approach and what critics call his "laziness." As a former assistant U.S. attorney, he earned a reputation as a tough prosecutor and he possesses the toughness this country needs in order to tackle today's and tomorrow's issues.

I ask that you take a hard look at what this country needs, then take a hard look at all the other candidates' views, policies, their records and their track record on consistency. Fred Thompson possesses integrity, loyalty, commitment, energy and decisiveness, all traits of an effective leader, and will emerge as the best person to take this country boldly forward.

Please help Fred win in 2008:
https://www.fred08.com/contribute.aspx?RefererID=c637caaa-315c-4b4c-9967-08d864cd0791

Posted by: fkpaxson | January 19, 2008 6:49 PM

So why is there no mention in your paper about all the voting machine problems they are having in South Carolina? Isn't that relevant to the election? You can read about it at bradblog.com. Apparently voters are being turned away because the machines (that went home on sleepovers with precinct workers) won't work, and they have run out of paper ballots.

Posted by: katie11 | January 19, 2008 6:40 PM

Instead of worrying about whether to call someone a "social conservative", "fiscal conservative" or "military conservative", how about simply calling the whole batch of 'em what they are - stupid.

Posted by: treetopflyer | January 19, 2008 6:34 PM

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