The Trail: A Daily Diary of Campaign 2008

Let me be clear from the outset, I believe that it is not a dime worth of difference among Hilliary, Barack and John Edwards. The three of them are all card carrying members of the "ruling class." Hilliary is a long time member, her gender notwithstanding. Barack is a new member, a freshman in the "ruling class" as he is in the U.S. Senate. I see and judge the Dems thru a working middle class prism. The candidate that moves the farthest away from the failed free trade policy and closer to a fair trade policy will win the Dems' nomination and the general election. John Edwards has it mostly right but it is not about the poor, it is about the working middle class not becoming poor. Hilliary has the character and compassion for children to be fair to their working middle class parents. Barack has no clue. He is drunk with his first sniff of power. He has co-opted Dr. King's cadence for talking but not Dr. King's concern to be a drum major for justice.

Obama swung first, and Hillary swung back...only harder. Look people, on the GOP side, there are people trying to "swift boat" McCain, and Romney has waged a mostly negative campaign with his self financed ads. And you think the DEMs are too nasty to each other? God Bless Dems, but many of you are so naive, its pathetic. One reason, I prefer Hillary is that she is under no illusion that this race for President will not be a VERY tough fight, and she doesn't shrink from it. If you all think Bill and Hillary are tough, just wait. I want a nominee that knows sharp elbows are necessary when the tough charges start. Obama is too green for this. Hillary's charges are not underhanded in the least. Obama says he is the candidate to change "politics as usual". Well if if you buy that "fairy tale" then it will just be because you took Obama's word for it. His record, what little there is, shows politics as usual,,,including voting present, instead of taking a clear stand on important votes. What exactly is unfair here?

Any politician who tries to advance a progressive agenda is going to be branded as the devil by the conservative media machine (read: talk radio). If you think Obama is immune somehow, you are in for a very rude awakening. They are so effective and been at it so long in the case of the Clintons, even some gullible DEMs believe it. Gullibilty is why we precious DEMs lose so many national elections. Fight Hillary fight. Its necessary, if not pretty.

"I know you think it's crazy, but I kind of like to see Barack and Hillary fight," Bill Clinton told a mostly white crowd of about 300 at a black church in Greenville, S.C.

Why is it when Bill says things like this I imagine him watching the debate in a hot tub, vaseline in hand?

I am sorry, i thought last night was AWESOME! I loved the subtext of the exchanges between all 3-it was VERY telling. The race is tight, the tensions are high, this is what happens. "you can't get the taste of the teabag until you put it in hot water". Everyone is trying to win. It's not like we don't have 7 zillion other forums to read where they are on the issues.

I am from NY and Clinton is my Sentor and I voted for her. I was shocked that she came out slinging like that. Obama totally held his ground, I am convinced that he is in this for the right reasons..and can engage in "the game" with a strong sense of passion for justice and equality. Edwards actually inspired me last night, I really wish he were doing better.

I did walk away thinking though, how on EARTH would Hillary handle the resistance that she would get if she were running against a truly experienced and empowered McCain (who has ACTUAL experience, not experience via marital association) or if she became President --cuz you know a lot of Washington would dread another Clinton reign and wouldn't be easy to work with.

If she is going to get down like that, then forget it. For all her "good intentions" she will in the way of our progress..it's a tough one people!

Folks bottom line is this- a vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for the Republican Nominee. Hillary and Bill represent the most polarizing kind of politics in America- and increasingly the most sleazy kind, too........the Clinton administration, let us not forget, gave a fresh new agenda to the Neocons......and believe me when I tell you that no one can energize the republican base the way they can. Clinton absolutely cannot and will not win a general election. So I beg all of you female boomers - please try and leave the world better than you found it for we who have our lives to live yet...don't let our dreams slip away because you'd like to see Hill and Bill back in the white house. We dont need to throw this one to the republicans again. We need you to vote for a president that can inspire and lead the people, who can effect change from the bottom up- who can mobilize each of us to make a difference in our world and one who doesnt want to control the nation like its a bureacracy to be managed like so much paper....

One more thing about Mccain. He doesn't depend on his spouse to fight his battles. He has stood strong alone. He has had to fight his own party! He did it with dignity. I wish Mrs. Clinton had the same fortitude, stood on her own two feet, and looked toward the future. Mrs. Clinton has no intention of uniting the country, she will continue to fight age old battles. Enough!

Good luck to Obama, Edwards, and McCain.

I am just so tired of the Clinton hate of the 90s. I cannot go through that again. If Hillary was not the former first lady we would not be listening to her or considering her for president. I don't hate Hillary, I'm just tired of the same old arguments and division. I wouldn't vote for Laura Bush if she decides to run in the future either. I am just as tired of the Bushes divisiveness as well as the Clintons. Let the Rove era end.

Voting for Hillary is like voting for the past. When will Dems realize that if Dems are not thrilled about voting for Hillary, then independents will run away from her too.

Obama or Edwards will get my vote. If it's Hillary I'll go for McCain. He has been totally swift boated and bashed by his own party, but he doesn't retaliate with the same hate. Hillary could learn a great deal from Senator McCain. He's been through as much as she has and from his own party. He is an example of an adult who has learned to stay above the Karl Rove politics of hate. Hillary is stuck in the 90s.

j_rhymes stated:
One has to be blind and deaf to belive that it was Hillary who made the comment about Obama's representing slumlord before Obama made his comment about Hillary being a corporate lawyer for anti-union Wal-Mart.

Come on! Did you watch the debate? She did bring it up first and he responded about the Wal Mart deal. I don't underdstand why the Clinton supporters think Obama is getting all the coverage. She gets plenty of coverage! The people that shoudl be complaining are the Edwards supporters. He is like the forgotten stepchild. Can't you see that this is becoming a mud slinging quagmire and, I am sorry to say, Hillary Clinton did lower the standards and was constantly throwing mud at Obama rather than discussing issues. Examples: drug use as a teenager, kidergarten essays and now he was working for a slum lord! CAN WE JUST TALK ABOUT ISSUES? We are alll Democrats here... Let's pick the best candidate without doing all the research that the Republicans have already paid for.
By the by, I agree. I would never vote for Hillary after the behavior that has been going on. And I have lost a lot of respect for former President Clinton. I would have preferred that he had criticized current President as violently because he is the one that deserves it.

Obama's response regarding his relationship with indicted chicago slumlord tony rezco was a total evasion. his account doesn't pass the smell test.

I am an Obama fan but this debate has certainly pushed me more towards Hillary Clinton whom I have always regarded as the stronger candidate.

I was taken by Obama's lofty speeches but I now realize that there isn't much to this candidate other than oratorical skills.

Push comes to shove, am not sure Obama will ALL be there.

In the mud fight last night, Hillary Clinton made a drive-by reference to Obama's "representing your constituent Rezko in his slumlord business," and the Illinois Senator responded by passing the association off as "I worked for someone and a church group and I did a few hours work." Both were being, to put it kindly, disingenuous.

For weeks now, Clinton supporters under the radar have kept up an accusatory drumbeat about Obama's connection to Antoin Rezko, who goes on trial next month for corruption in federal court, and Obama is vulnerable about a relationship that goes back to 1990, involving transactions he will ultimately have to explain in detail...

http://ajliebling.blogspot.com/2008/01/obamas-whitewater.html

Democrats kick off final showdown before South Carolina

The top three Democratic candidates jumped into Monday night's debate with a heated discussion about how to stimulate the economy.

Who Won the CNN Democratic Debate in South Carolina?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1603

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I can't believe that Obama said that he "only did 5 hours of work" for Rezko the slumlord, when it turns out that Rezko the slumlord is a major campaign contributor to Obama.

During the debate, Obama was the first one to go negative.

I think its going to backfire on him.

Like a lot of people, I was excited about Obama as a VP candidate.

Now, I'm not so sure.

Obama isn't the guy we were led to believe

Hillary cannot win a general election. I don't know what people are thinking. Name ONE state that Kerry lost in 2004 that Hillary can win. As a devout Democrat, I can't stand the thought of losing another election.

Mrs. Clinton found ANOTHER voice last night. This one was shrill and it was mean. Depending on how the news media read it, this performance may have the effect of undoing the good will she generated with her "Crying Game" performance the other week in New Hampshire.

This all may be, as my wife suggests, part of an effort to be perceived as tough. If that's so, what are the implications for a Clinton administration foreign policy? I have visions of her in that flight suit landing on the aircraft carrier and they aren't very pretty.

Along a similar vein, what kind of judgment does it take to gang up on the African-American candidate on Martin Luther King Day in a debate sponsored by the Congressional Black Caucus?

Hillary certainly learned a lot about the politics of distraction from the Republicans. She may not like their ideas but she definitely embraces their campaigning style. Come on Hilary (and Bill), debate real issues. Why did you vote for the war? How come your health care plan failed? How will you bring Independent, Republicans and new voters together to govern effectively?

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Is there any Dem that believes that if Obama is the Dem nominee that Reppublicans are going to give him a free ride or do they realize that Republicans will come out with their best shots? Yesterday they even brought out their Swift Boat tactics on one of their own, war vetern John McCain. Claim he intentionally shut down the possiblity to keep looking for Vietnam POWs. Claimed he left his pals over there for political reasons.

As far as Hillary's Iraq vote goes, she actually had to vote. She actually had to make the tough decision and put it on record. She is the Senator from 9/11 New York. Given the intelligence (at the time)and the attack on her city, could it be that she made the best decision at the time? Obama wants to use her vote against her, but had he been a Senator at the time what would he have done? Possibly vote Present?

Hillary's Health Care Bill was dead in the water because she was up against a Republican Majority. We have all seen how a Republican Minority can wreak havoc, imagine trying to pass something with a Republican Majority.

If Obama is upset by campaign politics now, how will he deal with Swift Boat Republicans in the General Election. Hillary is right, the Republicans have been attacking her for 16 long years and she is not only still standing, but running for our president. Hillary is our best Hope for a Dem sidestepping the Republican attacks and winning the White House.

Folks bottom line is this- a vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for the Republican Nominee. Hillary and Bill represent the most polarizing kind of politics in America- the Clinton administration, let us not forget, gave rise to the Neocons......and believe me when I tell you that no one can energize the republican base the way they can. Clinton absolutely cannot and will not win a general election. So I beg all of you female boomers - please try and leave the world better than you found it for we who have our lives to live yet...don't let our dreams slip away because you'd like to see Hill and Bill back in the white house. We dont need to throw this one to the republicans again. We need you to vote for a president that can inspire and lead the people, who can effect change from the bottom up- who can mobilize each of us to make a difference in our world and one who doesnt want to control the nation like its a bureacracy to be managed like so much paper....

Gotta love the people who come on these forums saying "I was on the fence before last night but now I'm voting for Obama...etc." and realize you've seen the name in prior post-debate comments with the same comment, same epiphany.

"hotnuke, if I were moderator here you would be so gone, along with your posts."

rd

Posted by: ralphdaugherty | January 22, 2008 12:26 AM

WELL, YOUR NOT SO SHUT UP AND STOP THE STIFLE OF FREE SPEECH.

I enjoyed the debate when Edwards and Obama discussed the differences in their programs. They disagreed without being disagreeable.

When Clinton got involved, she'd throw some insult or twisted claim out, and then smirk. Oh please.

What REALLY annoys me is how she keeps pretending she doesn't understand 'present' votes in Illinois. She grew up there. She claimed to be really active in politics. She was class valedictorian. And yet she had NO idea how her own legislature worked??? She just keeps bringing it up because she thinks she can mislead other people. That's getting pretty old pretty fast.

Someone suggested an Obama-Edwards ticket, and I could see that. Two responsible adults in charge. For a change.

It is obvoius Clinton will ahve to battle not only Obama and Republican neocons, but also the elite national media. It is disgusting to see how the national media is will to distort the truth to help their rock star- Obama. The title page from MSNBC's story on the debate is below.
"A simmering feud between Democrats Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama erupted into charges of distortion and exaggeration in a gloves-off presidential debate Monday, with Clinton accusing him of representing a Chicago slumlord and Obama countering that she was a corporate lawyer for anti-union Wal-Mart." One has to be blind and deaf to belive that it was Hillary who made the comment about Obama's representing slumlord before Obama made his comment about Hillary being a corporate lawyer for anti-union Wal-Mart.

It is obvoius Clinton will ahve to battle not only Obama and Republican neocons, but also the elite national media. It is disgusting to see how the national media is will to distort the truth to help their rock star- Obama. The title page from MSNBC's story on the debate is below.
"A simmering feud between Democrats Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama erupted into charges of distortion and exaggeration in a gloves-off presidential debate Monday, with Clinton accusing him of representing a Chicago slumlord and Obama countering that she was a corporate lawyer for anti-union Wal-Mart."
One has to be blind and deaf to belive that it was Hillary who made the comment about Obama's representing slumlord before Obama made his comment about Hillary being a corporate lawyer for anti-union Wal-Mart.

Aren't we all tired of being lied to? Or having our intelligence insulted (not to mention decent people)?

Aren't we just plain fatigued by all the back-stabbing and character assassinations?

Well, I am!

And those are just TWO reasons (among many) why I will NEVER, EVER vote for Hillary Clinton (middle aged, white, registered Democratic voter that I am).

And they are also just some of the reasons why I AM voting for Senator Obama.

His integrity and call for unity (more than any specific policy) IS precisely what we need as a country...and as a world.

(That is, if you remember the importance of knowing what the definition of "is" is.)

"I think Hillary did very well. However, I think she failed on two occasions to really hammer home her point and defend against one of Obama's scurrilous accusation".

I agree somewhat except that it was a dog eat dog fight. People actually love it even when they say that they hate that kind of stuff. I mean, look at most of television and film for example.

In any case, Obama did not work for just "five hours" from what I read. I understood from the news is that Rezko contributed something like $40,000 plus to his campaign. That was not for "five hours" worth of work: that is a campaign sponsor.

I would like to compliment those posters (like svreader) who have stayed positive so far this evening. To some the issues of hyper-partisanship and bad manners are a source of worry, particularly those of us who don't always vote for the same party.

This debate showed that the Clintons will do whatever it takes when it comes to running for office. They have perfected the art of offense and defense. It was too bad Hillary wasn't in a position to run against George Bush in either 2000, or 2004. The Clintons would have given the idiot Bush a run for his money. Come on, Clintons, keep your vitriol for the general election. Stop canibalizing people in your own party.

This debate showed that the Clintons will do whatever it takes when it comes to running for office. They have perfected the art of offense and defense. It was too bad Hillary wasn't in a position to run against George Bush in either 2000, or 2004. The Clintons would have given the idiot Bush a run for his money. Come on, Clintons, keep your vitroil for the general election. Stop canibalizing people in your own party.

You aren't that sad, but close.

rd

I think it is time for Hillary to go weepy again....

Headline Tomorrow:
PRESIDENT CLINTON EXCLUDED FROM CNN DEBATE

Maybe Onion Headline:
PRESIDENT CLINTON RUSHES STAGE AND HANDCUFFS HIMSELF IN DEBATE CHAIR

About time Obama showed backbone and defended himself against the mud the Clintons have been slinging day after day. This was actually a debate instead of a joint appearance.

President Clinton's making more and more think that Hillary's just a surrogate for a term-limited husband and that in the White House Bill will still wear the pants.

The criticism of Obama reputing false allegations by the Clintons reminds me of the southern joke of the KKK tying down a black man and setting a pit bull on him. The black man leans up and bites the dog's testicles wherein the KKK guy kicks him and says "Fight Fair, ***, Fight Fair."

well, he's a happy lunatic at least.

rd

or maybe I should say he/she, his/her and him/her. Sorry.

Hotnuke's posts were removed last night. He's seeking excited responses to his ugly posts. Maybe if we ignore him he'll go away.

Actually, John McCain won tonight. He was annointed as the frontrunner, and they had some very nice things to say about his leadership in the area of security and campaign finance reform. In addition, there was a lot of time spent talking about Ronald Reagan and Republican ideas. So much for "change" and the "future."

Actually, I think Obama really is interested in uniting this country; as crazy as it seems.

He is right that Bush and Cheney have united the country against them so Dems have an opportunity to build a big majority in the next election. But if Hillary is the nominee, that won't happen. Obama play much better than her across the country and will be an asset to those down ticket in the fall.

You look in the national head-to-head polls and Obama runs 2 to 4 points ahead of Hillary. Why? because he appeals to moderates and independants. It is a GOOD thing!

We don't need another Clinton plurality, we need a big change. And Obama can deliver it.

I think its too late--the moderators are off duty. But I suspect Hotnuke will be gone come morning. I only wish that he/she will taker his/her misguided profanity to the Republican party, there better to sow his/her ignorance and profanity.

yeah, I thought he was just trying to discredit Hillary while trashing Obama in his own filthy way, but sad to say he's more rational than typical Repub dirty tricksters.

Still his posts are filth.

rd

Anyone who deserves universal health care deserves Hillary Clinton.

All Americans deserve universal health care.

Therefore, All Americans deserve Hillary Clinton.

In November we'll get what we deserve.

We'll elect Hillary Clinton, and we'll get Universal Health Care!!!

hotnuke, if I were moderator here you would be so gone, along with your posts.

rd

Hotnuke

I am gratified to know you are in the Billary camp. You deserve them, and they you.

Karl Rove and the Republicans keep trying to push the "big lie" that people dislike Bill and Hillsry Clinton.

Republicans dislike them because they're a threat to the Republican gravy train.

Democrats love them because they deliver results for the middle-class.

Go Hillary!!!

An interesting, if somewhat naive view. So, we should believe that there is such a thing as an "honorary" seat on a corporate board simply for being the governor's wife, with no strings or expectations? Based upon Wal-Mart's pattern of corporate behavior, that would be out of character.

But more importantly, the Post, like most media outlets misses the most significant moments, which are not the volatile "personal" exchanges. One of these was a moment of genuine passion from John Edwards (as opposed to the manufactured passion he is also capable of), when he recalled his youth in the segregated south, and noted that Democrats often don't talk about what it will take to simply live together in a multicultural, multiracial society. Another very significant moment occurred near the end when Barrack Obama described his vision of a realligning election giving Democrats sufficient majorities and public support to actually push through the agenda we like to talk about. That argument is his most potent weapon.

I am starting to understand why Billary are disliked by so many people in the political center -- never mind the right wing, which hates them as viscerally as the rest of us hate Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld. She is very good at what she does -- including the planting of calculated disinformation which Obama must refute. She is better at throwing her elbows than Obama, and she knows Bill is waiting off stage holding a baseball bat with a rusty nail in it -- just in case. I'd trust her to tell the truth about as much as she trusts her husband's fidelity. I think this is the way most Americans will see her and her husband, a man I once respected. I think she may well lose this election because of it.

I think Hillary is the best, but all three Democratic candidates are so much better than any of the Republicans its like day and night.

Go Democrats!!!

Hillary has amazing passion about policy.

When she was talking about health care, she reminded me of a mother lion protecting her cubs.

She's definitely the strongest of the three candidates.

Hotnuke

Its for people like you why Obama is running, so others can see the benefits of having a good education and how that knowledge encourages you to conduct yourself with some level of decorum. Your posts are pathethic.... A MIND is definitely a terrible thing to waste, but in the words of Obama, there is still HOPE for yours.

My analysis of the debate itself is that all three candidates had powerful performances. Obama and Clinton were aggressive while Edwards seemed like a contender rather than a 4% afterthought. This was the first time in a long time that the candidates actually said everything in their rebuttals that I was screaming at the TV while an opponent was talking. Especially after Obama returned to his theme of unity, and given his obvious disappointment with the tone of the campaign, the choice was obvious. In Clinton we have a battle scarred veteran of the culture wars who is at her most forthright when she essentially says she will do and say anything to defeat the Republican attack machine (i.e. get herself elected). Obama is trying to restructure the political landscape in America. His goal is both more ennobling and more ambitious. After G.W. Bush's presidency it's understandable that many weary democrats will choose Hillary's "once more into the breach" approach. Along with most of my generation (gen X)and those after us. I choose Obama's vision of the future. We shall see which argument wins the day.
I think the big tactical question is whether Obama's image is fatally hurt by having a political knife fight with Hillary. At this point he really had no choice but to join the battle.

jonfromcali:

How much are you being paid by the Obama campaign to post your BS. It's obvious you've also posted in here as "dewanitum". How many other monikers are you going by in here trying to promote the idea that a LOT of people think like you?

I sure hope that lying, lowlife racist scumbag Obama is paying you enough...lol

The real loser is the Obama supporters.
They applauded anytime that they heard Obama voice.
They even applauded when Obama made mistake.
As a viewer I think that they just don't care about anything but support Obama. It will cause a lot of people think this is a race of race, and in that kind of race the loser will be Obama.

In Nevada Obama should have asked "Is Hill a shill for Bill's 3rd and 4th terms?" Everyone would have understood the lingo.

In Nevada Obama should have asked "Is Hill a shill for Bill's 3rd and 4th terms?" Everyone would have understood the lingo.

It's really sad to see (prior) President Clinton stretch the truth so many times to try to cut Obama down as his way to try to raise Hilliary's relative level. Then again, I remember that is not new for him to stretch the truth like about he "never inhaled" and he "never had sex with that woman."

Hilliary has been through a lot with that man and I feel for her about that -- but his stretching the truth to try to help her is not in her best interests.

I am turned off by it. I wonder what else is not true that he and she are saying?

This debate absolutely sealed the deal for me. I will not vote for Hillary Clinton if she is the Democratic nominee. I have been appalled for weeks by her unjustifiable attacks on Obama--and her husband's, which are wildly inappropriate for a former president to be doing in a primary campaign. But tonight's ad hominem attacks were too far. She's playing right out of the Karl Rove handbook against a fellow Democrat--and an incredibly honorable one, at that--and I, personally, can't vote for someone who would do that.

I have never voted for a Republican in my life, and I sure don't plan to do so this year. But if Hillary is the Dem nominee, I will either sit this one out or, perhaps, hope that McCain will be the Republican nominee and I'll cast what, in California, will most likely be a protest vote for him.

Even if Hillary wins against any of the Republicans, it will be by the slimmest of margins and she won't have any more of a mandate than George Bush had in 2000. She also won't help Democrats win the same types of gains in Congress that any other nominee would, and Democrats would face losing Congress again in 2010--because REPUBLICANS AND INDEPENDENTS HATE HER (with good reason) enough to get out and vote against her and anyone affiliated with her. It's that simple. If she becomes president her presidency will be just like her husband's--a lot of talk, a lot of hedging between two sides that don't support her, a lot of vicious attacks from the other side, and not much of anything will be accomplished.

I have thought until tonight that I could hold my nose and vote for Hillary. Well, I'm not kidding myself anymore. A vote for Hillary is a vote for four more years of the kinds of divisions that we've experienced for the last 16--and now SHE'S CONTRIBUTING TO IT, and not just a victim of Republicans' hatred toward her husband. Her and her campaign's actions lately have been despicable, and I can't support her even as a second choice.

For all the sparring of the first hour, what I saw in the second hour demonstrated a couple of things to me. First, while there are some real differences between the three democrats still in the race, there is a LOT of common ground between them. Second, frankly I could vote FOR any of these three candidates. In the last election, I simply voted AGAINST Bush. That, to me, is a real improvement.

Jeez, no one here is monitoring offensive content? I'm going to go find a different forum.

I hear everybody saying truth wins out the end and I am not buying it at all, if you want to win, spin, spin, and spin some more and that is what Clintons are doing because they are winners. I don't want Clintons to win but they will because they are good at spinning.

dewanitum: What specifics did you think the Republicans were going to sing kumbaya with you?

rd

scarily, I guess he is. Damn we don't need somebody like that in the Democratic Party.

rd

I am more and more becoming of opinion that Clinton will lose in general election or even she wins it will be by the slimmest margins probably mirroring BUSH Vs Al gore election result, divided country.

I frankly don't know where I stand, but I must say I am very disappointed with Pres. Bill Clinton, who has really abandoned the statesmanlike role I would expect from an ex-President. His attacks on Obama are really over the line and just hurt the Democratic party in the end.

I'm so sorry that Obama got drawn into the mud with the Clintons, I wanted him to stick to the issues, but facing any bully there must come a time when you stick up for yourself, and they are more cowardly when they are alone.

Mrs. Clinton no doubt has had a very volatile life especially in her marriage and you can see the ease at which she fights, it tells me that she is clearly use to those scenarios. My advice to all parties involved is to present what you can bring to the White House without trying to discredit the other candidates. There are many fact checking websites for persons seeking the truth, and the truth always wins out in the end. We also know when it comes to speaking the truth we can rule out Bill, and when it comes to being able to decipher what is true strike Hillary, and when it comes to living the truth strike out Edwards, he preaches from his mansion with little to show for all the work he claims to have done for poverty. This leaves one true candidate Barack Obama, he's not perfect,he's made mistakes but he doesn't try to hide the truth.

referring to hotnuke post

rd

I emailed blogs to report it as offensive. Last paragraph is totally unacceptable.

I'm a Hillary supporter and I suspect that person isn't.

rd

Hillary was strong. She can take the punches and never bat an eyelash. I wish she had hit Obama harder on all the areas where he is deservedly vulnerable and weak.

I have come to realize that Obama, a candidate and a person I didn't support but did admire, is a dishonest sneak. And yes, it bothers me to know that.

Hotnuke:
Your name really reflects your approach--dropping so many F-bombs is really inappropriate language. All this kind of vitriol does is help the other side here (I mean the Republicans). In my view the party as a whole loses when things take this kind of nasty tone. I think you know in your heart that both of these blows were low. Clinton's Wal-Mart board seat was honorary, and Obama was a junior associate at a law firm who really didn't drive the decisionmaking about which clients to represent. So please give it a rest and stop giving comfort to the real enemy here.

Hillary certainly learned a lot about the politics of distraction from the Republicans. She may not like their ideas but she definitely embraces their campaigning style. Come on Hilary (and Bill), debate real issues. Why did you vote for the war? How come your health care plan failed? How will you bring Independent, Republicans and new voters together to govern effectively?

The idea that Obama approves of Republican ideology and policy is absurd, disingenuous and just more of the 'politics as usual' that Americans are tired of.