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Who's the Underdog?


Hillary Clinton speaks at Professor Larry J. Sabatos American politics class at the University of Virginia on Monday, Feb. 11, 2008.(AP.)

By Joel Achenbach
Is Hillary Clinton now the underdog? So says her husband.

"It is now in some ways the underdog campaign, even though it has received hundreds of thousands more popular votes," Bill Clinton, referring to his wife's campaign, said last night in front of about 4,000 people at George Mason University in Fairfax.

Maybe that was just some freelance spin from an irrepressible spouse. Or maybe it's the next logical argument from campaign headquarters. Everyone loves an underdog. Just a week ago, Obama was casting himself as an underdog as he awaited returns on Super Tuesday. (And last month he said, "When your name is Barack Obama, you're always an underdog in political races.")

One phrase you hear in the news media is that Sen. Clinton is a "February underdog," which hedges the spin. (Good news: It's the shortest month of the year. Bad news: There's going to be a Leap Day!) The senator herself still sounds confident as all get-out: "We had a great night on Super Tuesday; I'm still ahead in popular votes and in delegates."

But this is certainly a down moment for the Clinton camp. You have to loan yourself millions of dollars, you get swept in a bunch of caucus states over the weekend, you sack your campaign manager, and now the "Potomac Primary" comes along with little hope for anything but more bad news. So maybe it's not a bad idea to play the underdog for a while. It worked once before, in New Hampshire.

Clinton has shown an ability to get voters to rally to her cause when she looks down and out. We'll say it again: Politics isn't a fully rational enterprise. Things like loyalty, empathy and outrage could give Clinton a boost if the numbers keep going against her. Never mind Obama's soaring rhetoric and proven ability to inspire: A lot of voters who vote with their heart may yet go for Clinton.

There's more than a little irony in that, since Clinton is not viewed as emotional herself, and is, to the very core, a policy wonk and pragmatist. She can talk all day long about the various levers and toggles of government. And Bill Clinton last night at GMU reminded us that policy really runs in the family, as he offered a three-part policy prescription for every conceivable issue from health care to the mortgage crisis.

Obama, meanwhile, is doing some initial framing of what would be the general election battle against John McCain. Not that he's sounding overconfident or getting ahead of himself. But he brought up McCain yesterday afternoon in front of 15,000 people in Baltimore's 1st Mariner Arena. He said that Sen. Clinton is telling audiences that he wouldn't be able to withstand the Republican attack machine in the fall (click here for the YouTube of the speech).

"I have to explain to people, I'm skinny but I'm tough. Yes. Skinny, I'm wiry! Don't mess with me! Let 'em bring it on. Who they got, John McCain?"

The mention of McCain's name brought a smattering of boos. Obama quickly offered praise for the presumptive GOP nominee, saying he's a genuine American hero and has been through experiences that most people can't imagine.

"He deserves applause. He deserves respect."

Sure enough, an arena full of Democrats clapped for McCain.

"But he is on the wrong side of history right now," Obama said. "We are the party of tomorrow, he's the party of yesterday."

Which has a familiar ring to it. For Obama and his strategists, McCain and Clinton are somewhat interchangeable.

Posted at 11:38 AM ET on Feb 12, 2008  | Category:  Joel's Two Cents
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Posted by: Tristan hbwiu | April 13, 2008 12:38 AM

All the Hillary supporters here are on the defensive. Acatually, reading these posts, there are MORE of you than there are people speaking up for Obama today.
I would have voted for Hillary. But not after what was done in South Carolina. I thought Hillary would be her own woman - but she is not. She is indeed "Billary" and it is sad to see. That makes her an underdog in life in general, and it also makes her exactly what I hoped she wasn't; an ambitious woman who has lost her way on the path to greatness. The Clintons would win even at the cost of hurting the Democratic party.
I think it's appropriate to paste here the full content of the Hopi Indian prose that first Maria Shriver and then Obama himself used. It is very very appropriate.

The Hopi Elders Speak

We Are the Ones
We've Been Waiting For

You have been telling the people that this is the Eleventh Hour.

Now you must go back and tell the people that this is The Hour.

And there are things to be considered:


Where are you living?

What are you doing?

What are your relationships?

Are you in right relation?

Where is your water?

Know your garden.

It is time to speak your Truth.

Create your community. Be good to each other. And do not look outside yourself for the leader.
This could be a good time!

There is a river flowing now very fast. It is so great and swift that there are those who will be afraid. They will try to hold on to the shore. They will feel they are being torn apart, and they will suffer greatly.

Know the river has its destination. The elders say we must let go of the shore, push off into the middle of the river, keep our eyes open, and our heads above the water. See who is in there with you and celebrate.

At this time in history, we are to take nothing personally. Least of all, ourselves. For the moment that we do, our spiritual growth and journey comes to a halt.

The time of the lone wolf is over. Gather yourselves!

Banish the word struggle from your attitude and your vocabulary.

All that we do now must be done in a sacred manner and in celebration.

We are the ones we've been waiting for.


Posted by: sheridan1 | February 14, 2008 8:06 PM

The thing to remember about those who never cease to spin is that they spin because they have nothing else. Tears, Lewinsky, how does Bill fit in, is America ready for a woman, defending Chelsea re. MSNBC, were questions planted, was Solis-Doyle forced out, state of the campaign's finances...and on and on ad naseum. The one thing the Clinton team cannot have is a clean, clear comparison of her and Obama. Even Bill and Chelsea would vote for Obama. Lest we forget, there was nothing negative from Obama when Hillary was thought to be winning.

Posted by: gmundenat | February 14, 2008 7:38 PM

Governor says race may hurt Obama in Pa.
HARRISBURG, Pa. - Governor Ed Rendell, one of Hillary Clinton's most visible supporters, said some white Pennsylvanians are likely to vote against her rival, Barack Obama, because he is black.
"You've got conservative whites here, and I think there are some whites who are probably not ready to vote for an African-American candidate," Rendell told the editorial board of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in remarks that appeared in yesterday's edition.

Sad!

That's like the older white women who are voting for Hillary because, "I always wanted to see a woman in the White House". Whatever happened to the best person for the job?

And let us not try and bring an "experience" issue in here. Hillary brings 5 less years of elected and legislative experience to the table. What else can she claim makes her more experienced? Marriage? Give me a break. We need a unifying person in the office, and she is far from that person.

Posted by: CitizenXX | February 14, 2008 2:06 PM

Posted by: Schmedley | February 14, 2008 1:35 PM

Ive been thinking about Senator Clinton's supporters who braced bad weather and showed support for her in the Potomac primary.

Why couldn't she at least acknowledge their efforts? Does that mean their support for her does not count because she didn't win the states?

I wonder how that looks for the rest of her supporters in states that haven't held primaries. Are You okay with that? Is it for the greater Good?

One thing im sure of is this: A strong General always makes sure Their ground troops are well fed and in high spirits that way when the time for battle comes they are unflinching in support of their leader.

I for one know i wouldn't like working for a boss who always made me feel like my contributions didn't matter......... sound familiar?

This is a competition For the LEADER of the free world......I for one see a contender lacking in leadership skills......

Now i understand what the frenzy around Senator Obama is....and it tells good for the future of America and the world.

Happy voting

Posted by: election_watch | February 14, 2008 1:41 AM

I've been waiting for the Clinton's next round of tricks. Today it popped up it's ugly head in the form of PA Governor Rendell. So we're back on the race thing again. The Clinton's are Pimping Rendell. I know Bill Clinton a former president is not afraid of getting whipped by a "fairy tale" Barack is what we need at this point in time. The world will look at us totally different if we elect Barack Obama.

Posted by: drwacklin | February 14, 2008 12:05 AM

I vowed not to let the media influence me when they touted Hillary as the "inevitable" candidate. After seeing and reading about what Obama is all about I chose to support him. I'm confident in that choice. He's the right person to usher the country into change.

Posted by: Marnie42 | February 13, 2008 10:36 PM

I truly beleive that Obama is winning largely due to the media as a person mentioned earlier. I think everyone should vow not to let the media (tv ect..)choose our president.

Posted by: margommm | February 13, 2008 9:52 PM

Governor says race may hurt Obama in Pa.
HARRISBURG, Pa. - Governor Ed Rendell, one of Hillary Clinton's most visible supporters, said some white Pennsylvanians are likely to vote against her rival, Barack Obama, because he is black.

"You've got conservative whites here, and I think there are some whites who are probably not ready to vote for an African-American candidate," Rendell told the editorial board of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in remarks that appeared in yesterday's edition.

Rendell is clearly referring to himself as the type of white not ready to support an African American candidate. The Clintons continue to use their few remaining stooges to race bait despite now witnessing Barack trouncig her in every demographic. After the Big Dog's attempt to marginalize Barack's landslide victory in SC as a "Jesse Jackson Black Thing", the Clintons support in the Black community is now comparable to Bush.

As utter desperation takes hold in the face of their demise, the Clintons will focus on playing the race card, attempting to seat the bogus delegates from FL & MI, and strong arming Super Delegates. It is the only remaining "fire wall" and if it results in tearing apart the Party, so be it. The Clintons will sink to whatever despicabe, craven tactics deemed necessary to cling to power when America has turned the page on the Bush/Clinton regime.

Posted by: ccoblas | February 13, 2008 9:29 PM

Obama's pastor disses Natalee Holloway'White girl goes off and gives it up' in Aruba, preacher pal says


Posted: January 27, 2008
6:49 pm Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com


Sen. Barack Obama's longtime friend and spiritual adviser trashed the memory of a missing and presumed dead American teenage girl, according to church publications reviewed by WND.

Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the controversial minister of Obama's church in Chicago, cited the case of Natalee Holloway's disappearance in Aruba in complaining about what he sees as the media's bias in covering white victims of crime over black victims.

"Black women are being raped daily in Darfur, Sudan, in the Congo and in Sub-Saharan Africa. That doesn't make news," Wright said in the August 2005 edition of Trumpet Magazine, a publication of his Trinity United Church of Christ.

But, "One 18-year-old white girl from Alabama gets drunk on a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and 'gives it up' while in a foreign country, and that stays in the news for months!" he added. "Maybe I am missing something!"

In the same 2005 church publication, Wright suggested "white America" had the 9/11 attacks coming, while calling for business "divestment from Israel," which he refers to as a "racist" state along with America.

"In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01," he wrote on page 7. "White America and the Western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just 'disappeared,' as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring Black concerns."

Obama says he is "proud" of Wright and values their 20-year friendship.

Though Wright has nurtured Obama's political career as a close adviser and mentor, the Democrat presidential hopeful says they don't agree on everything. Wright married Obama and baptized his daughters.

In the November/December 2007 issue of Trumpet, Wright sang the praises of Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, who has described whites as "blue-eyed devils" and Jews as "bloodsuckers."

"He brings a perspective that is helpful and honest," Wright said. "Minister Farrakhan will be remembered as one of the 20th and 21st century giants of the African-American religious experience."

Wright then held Farrakhan up as a pillar of "integrity."

"His integrity and honesty have secured him a place in history as one of the nation's most powerful critics," he continued. "His love for Africa and African-American people has made him an unforgettable force, a catalyst for change and a religious leader who is sincere about his faith and his purpose."

Farrakhan's photo is splashed across the cover of the church magazine, which gushes "the Minister truly epitomized greatness."

On Nov. 2, 2007, Wright presented Farrakhan with a "lifetime achievement" award during a Trumpet gala held at the Hyatt Regency Chicago. The tribute included a three-and-a-half minute video lionizing "the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan."

"For his commitment to truth, education and leadership, we honor Minister Louis Farrakhan with the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Lifetime Achievement Award," the video announces.

Last week, Obama distanced himself from Farrakhan, but did not distance himself from Wright or disavow his praise for Farrakhan

Posted by: ermias.kifle | February 13, 2008 5:21 PM

Obama's pastor disses Natalee Holloway'White girl goes off and gives it up' in Aruba, preacher pal says

Posted: January 27, 2008
6:49 pm Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com


Sen. Barack Obama's longtime friend and spiritual adviser trashed the memory of a missing and presumed dead American teenage girl, according to church publications reviewed by WND.

Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the controversial minister of Obama's church in Chicago, cited the case of Natalee Holloway's disappearance in Aruba in complaining about what he sees as the media's bias in covering white victims of crime over black victims.

"Black women are being raped daily in Darfur, Sudan, in the Congo and in Sub-Saharan Africa. That doesn't make news," Wright said in the August 2005 edition of Trumpet Magazine, a publication of his Trinity United Church of Christ.

But, "One 18-year-old white girl from Alabama gets drunk on a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and 'gives it up' while in a foreign country, and that stays in the news for months!" he added. "Maybe I am missing something!"

In the same 2005 church publication, Wright suggested "white America" had the 9/11 attacks coming, while calling for business "divestment from Israel," which he refers to as a "racist" state along with America.

"In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01," he wrote on page 7. "White America and the Western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just 'disappeared,' as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring Black concerns."

Obama says he is "proud" of Wright and values their 20-year friendship.

Though Wright has nurtured Obama's political career as a close adviser and mentor, the Democrat presidential hopeful says they don't agree on everything. Wright married Obama and baptized his daughters.

In the November/December 2007 issue of Trumpet, Wright sang the praises of Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, who has described whites as "blue-eyed devils" and Jews as "bloodsuckers."

"He brings a perspective that is helpful and honest," Wright said. "Minister Farrakhan will be remembered as one of the 20th and 21st century giants of the African-American religious experience."

Wright then held Farrakhan up as a pillar of "integrity."

"His integrity and honesty have secured him a place in history as one of the nation's most powerful critics," he continued. "His love for Africa and African-American people has made him an unforgettable force, a catalyst for change and a religious leader who is sincere about his faith and his purpose."

Farrakhan's photo is splashed across the cover of the church magazine, which gushes "the Minister truly epitomized greatness."

On Nov. 2, 2007, Wright presented Farrakhan with a "lifetime achievement" award during a Trumpet gala held at the Hyatt Regency Chicago. The tribute included a three-and-a-half minute video lionizing "the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan."

"For his commitment to truth, education and leadership, we honor Minister Louis Farrakhan with the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Lifetime Achievement Award," the video announces.

Last week, Obama distanced himself from Farrakhan, but did not distance himself from Wright or disavow his praise for Farrakhan

Posted by: ermias.kifle | February 13, 2008 5:21 PM

Obama's rhetoric is ageist. Whenever he talks about McCain or Clinton, he refers to their plans as politics of the past, and his as the politics of the future. Frankly, as an aging American, I am offended! It is absolutely disgusting that people who have contributed to the well-being of the nation are dismissed as passe. Both of these individiuals have made significant contributions and propose solutions for our future grounded in their experience and national history. Those who do not pay attention to history are doomed to repeat it.

Posted by: bjbprice | February 13, 2008 1:53 PM

Bill Clinton never wanted his wife's campaign to win. It was obviously shown by his behavior. So, she lost because of his actions among other reasons.

Posted by: aepelbaum | February 13, 2008 2:59 AM

Well, it certainly looks like the Hillary haters are out in force tonight. Well, enjoy your victory. I wonder, if your candidate accumulates enough delegates to win the nomination, how's he's going to win the General Election in November when you've alienated all the Hillary supporters and instead of throwing their support to Obama they either sit out the election or vote for McCain.

Posted by: jes991 | February 12, 2008 11:15 PM

Obama talks like a slick preacher or car salesman. He gets the people excited, but in the end when you walk away there is no substance to what he says. Hillary has real, workable ideas to help the common people out. I hope people will stop passively taking his rhetoric in and investigate what he actually says in debates next to Hillary. She is a WOMAN of true EXPERIENCE and CHANGE!!!!

Posted by: stephan_carlson | February 12, 2008 10:54 PM

As a future doctoral student and latina, I can't wait to cast my vote for Hillary! Here in Texas, we are waiting to show you and the world OUR support!!!!!

Posted by: ergaleas | February 12, 2008 10:35 PM

Hillary Clinton's vision, experience, passion and ability to lead and start immediately will win her the White House. Obama has alot of feel good rah rah cheerleader lines in his speeches and some good ideas, but Hillary has a solid workable plan and like Bill she will do exactly what she says, one of the few politicians who you can count on to seriously get alot of good things done. I am voting for Hillary because she is the right choice, especially for what America needs right now.

Hillary All the Way!!

Posted by: Hillary08 | February 12, 2008 10:33 PM

Why *NOT* Hillary? Just search Google for "Clinton scandals" ... look at how she runs her campaign then she and Bill inflate their position.

They keep peeing on our leg and swear it's raining. When is enough enough??

Posted by: ladyolove | February 12, 2008 9:20 PM

Wow! Alot of angry, hateful comments against Hillary. As a Hillary supporter I say this: instead of wacking her over the head with propaganda and hate, lets try looking at substantive facts. What does Monica have to do with Hillary? Wasn't she the victim in that? Wasn't it Hillary who campaigned so very hard for Universal Healthcare when it was unpopular?

I know Hillary might have not shaken off the nerdy girl with the glasses image. But truth be told she is a woman of great integrity. She has worked her whole life trying to give a voice to those who are invisible in our society--that includes blacks, children, immigrants, blue-collar factory workers. While Hillary likely won't win the nomination, I am going to do everything I can to support her. In particular, I say to those who constantly attack her with rhetoric and hate, "take a look at her life as a whole and what she has devoted her life to." She has shattered glass ceilings for the next generation of women and has campaigned SO VERY HARD for blacks and other invisible people. I do hope that people see that. She certainly is a polarizing figure. Strong women are; great leaders are.

I do wish that Hillary's critics would give her a fair fight. Disagree with her policies, then detail why. Disagree with her healthcare plan, detail why. Disagree with her plan to save our economy, detail why. Disagree with her foreign policy plans, detail why. Disagree with her, then give me details. I am tired of how we focus on empty rhetoric and hateful attacks. As a Hillary supporter, I support her because I believe that she is the change we need for a hopeful and brighter future.

Posted by: TaricHall | February 12, 2008 8:37 PM

There is nothing "under" about Hillary.

Posted by: dunnhaupt | February 12, 2008 8:27 PM

If you want a candidate with experience, you'll have to vote for McCain. Senator Clinton has seriously exaggerated her experience.

Is being the wife of the Governor of Arkansas experience? During most of the time Bill Clinton was governor, Senator Clinton was working for the Rose Law Firm, representing clients like WalMart and Tyson Foods.

Is being the First Lady relevant experience? If so, we missed a bet by not nominating Eleanor Roosevelt. The one serious policy issue that Ms. Clinton took on as First Lady was health care, and that was less than a resounding success.

So, what she has is 8 years experience as a senator, a job she never would have gotten had her name been simply Hillary Rodham. Her experience there includes voting for the Iraq War and being unwilling to admit that the vote was a mistake.

If the issue is experience, Senator Clinton is going to be blown out of the water by Senator McCain anyway. It would be much better to go with the candidate who is promising change and is not tied to the Iraq War or the Clinton baggage of the 90s.

Posted by: hgillette | February 12, 2008 8:16 PM

Corrupt foreign potentates are poised to sink unlimited funds in the HRC campaign. She's not underdog, regardless of what THE BIG DOG says.

Posted by: mnjam | February 12, 2008 6:00 PM

Hillary the "underdog"? Nah, more like the "dogged out."

She looks less and less like Maggie Thatcher and more like Lurleen Wallace by the minute.

Posted by: jcbcmb68 | February 12, 2008 5:10 PM

I voted for Obama in the primary. Was that not "honorable"?

Posted by: JakeD | February 12, 2008 3:25 PM

No one can possibly know how someone will vote once that person gets into the voting booth...sometimes the voter changes her/his mind at the moment of decision.

Pledges and promises and even primaries do not guarantee how the voters will swing on November 4.

What we do know is that a huge volume of voters - many very young, but many others who admit to not having voted in years - are showing up on primary/caucus days and participating.

Example - Maine on Sunday: previous RECORD Dem caucus turnout there (2004) = 17,000.
3 days ago = 46,000.

That speaks to something happening.

An overwelming percentage of those voting for the Dems - are voting for Obama.

What we also know is that a huge number of potential voters are contributing small donations to political campaigns... especially to Obama and Paul. We do not know if any of these folks will actually vote...but there is some considerable evidence that once you've contributed to a campaign - you will very likely follow-up with your vote.

We are watching history being made in more ways than race and gender.

Posted by: gandalfthegrey | February 12, 2008 2:45 PM

The Clinton tag team has been pushing the "underdog" line for several weeks now, starting in South Carolina where they did lose big. It showed up in a Dowd column on January 23:

http://dowdreport.blogspot.com/2008/01/let-big-dog-eat.html

And Hillary my be the underdog, but Bill is The Big Dog.

Posted by: dowdreport | February 12, 2008 2:29 PM

Hillary's the Underdog.

Obama is the trend of the moment.

The only question is who will the Euro-American male vote for.

Their aren't enough African-Americans, Latio-Americans, Asian-americans to offset their collective vote.

If they don't vote for Obama, I can hear it now ... RACISM.

The Democratic Party has injected race into this political skirmish. Shame on you!

Truth - Every American voter can "choose" who they believe represents their best interests. :)

VIVA Las Vegas Baby!

Posted by: randymk1 | February 12, 2008 2:27 PM

Jake,

There's nothing stopping you. But if you aren't planning to vote for Obama even if he's the nominee, then I leave it to you to decide whether it would be honorable to do so.

Posted by: whatmeregister | February 12, 2008 2:25 PM

gandalfthegrey:

Will you take The Pledge to NOT vote for Hillary Clinton in November?

Posted by: JakeD | February 12, 2008 2:15 PM

Senator Barack Obama represents the ONLY chance to change the rotted heart of big machine politics in our nation's capitol.

While his record of accomplishment in the Illinois Senate and in the short time that he has been in the U.S. Senate is fine...

The reason that he is whipping Mrs. Clinton's campaign has to do with 3 things:

1. widespread and intense fury over the Bush administration - gets huge numbers of people up and to the polls;

2. An increasing recognition that the Clinton's (as a team) represent a slightly less obnoxious version of the status-quo business as usual (Bill brought this on in S.C., and now keeps it alive with his constant apologizing and parsing of everything);

3. Obama's "voice," style and message about change in the political environment of this country. (If you really are interested in this phenomena - read the transcript of his S.C. victory speech.)


Meanwhile all the gnashing of teeth and pulling of hair by the establishment posters - or the chanting by the Obama backers (like me) - is not really relevant - because the whole country is rising up and voting based upon the "buzz" coming from the U-tube generation and then perculating up through families and communities.

So....we can all rail on about specifics and platforms or experience and gravitas....

But, meanwhile Obama is (to use my grandson's graphic exaltation) kicking some butt.

Posted by: gandalfthegrey | February 12, 2008 2:12 PM

Can registered Independents sign your petition?

Posted by: JakeD | February 12, 2008 2:10 PM

Wow! This is one of the best blogs I have read recently. The details on Hillary's health care plan and on Obama's legislative efforts were details I have been wanting to shout from the mountaintop each time I hear praise of Hillary's plan and each time I hear of Obama's lack of experience. I am another 60+ year old, highly educated white woman who is still waiting for the right woman to be president. Hillary is not that woman; Obama has my vote. I stood in the snow for three hours at a Kansas caucus to express my support of Obama. His vision and integrity have inspired me in ways that I have not been inspired since JFK.

Posted by: mbbiggs | February 12, 2008 2:09 PM

Salty,

don't let Jake fool you into thinking he's for the Dems; he's a Romney supporter (i.e., Hillary in a suit and tie). But he does have a point when it comes to what to do if Hillary's supporters steal the nomination at the convention.

As a result of some of the comments posted by Jake and others, I decided to do a test run of a petition, although eventually I'll have to redo it on a real petition Web site rather than Surveymonkey. Nonetheless, I'm curious about everyone's thoughts on it:

"I hereby wish to make it known that if the Democratic National Convention nominates for President of the United States a candidate other than the individual who won the simple majority of pledged, democratically elected (non super-) delegates in the various state and territorial primary and caucus contests, I hereby promise to refrain from voting for the Democratic nominee in the November general election.

"Further, should the Credentials Committee choose to seat the delegations from Michigan and/or Florida in direct contravention of the DNC's own previously stated rules, and should those delegates cause enough of a shift in the vote count that the nomination goes to Sen. Clinton instead of Sen. Obama when that would have otherwise not occurred, I will also refrain from voting for the Democratic nominee, Sen. Clinton, in the fall.

"I may or may not vote for or write in another candidate, but I will not give the Democratic nominee either my vote or my support should either or both of the above events occur. The name of our party is the DEMOCRATIC Party, and we should therefore scrupulously observe the conventions of rule by a majority of the electorate in order to remain true to that name. We must not allow the process of nominating our candidate for President to be corrupted by elitist co-option, nor subverted by rewarding those who do not follow the rules they themselves earlier agreed to observe. I will not vote for a party candidate that does not honor these principles."

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=Ni_2fFuTCNDtjHZBJaEQzE3w_3d_3d

Posted by: whatmeregister | February 12, 2008 2:03 PM

Who's the underdog? Given the skill with which The Clintons maneuver, manipulate, subvert and lie, Obama is the underdog until he is actually named the nominee. Until that point, there is a possibility that Hillary will wrangle it away via hook or crook! Seriously, do you think, there is any tactic so low that it will not be adopted and tried by The Clintons before she loses this thing?

If you are democrat, you better hope that Edwards will endorse Obama and campaign with him in TX and OH and the people knock her out decidedly . . . otherwise you are going to see things that you really don't want to see. Does anyone doubt that?

Posted by: brooksofsheffield | February 12, 2008 1:46 PM

- RJCT27

On the McCain loan, by a few weeks ago, do you mean November? And by the media not saying anything, do you mean it didn't reprint articles that are fourth months old and separated by half of the country voting?

We all know McCain went from down and out to on top. Your point is...Obama could do the same?

Posted by: monitajb | February 12, 2008 1:45 PM

Barack Obama is the underdog.
The underdog is winning, but that's how it goes when there's an upset and the one who wasn't supposed to win is in the process of doing just that.

******

If I wrestle a bear and get the upper hand, it's just crazy to think that the bear has become something else.

Posted by: jefft1225 | February 12, 2008 1:37 PM

Salty1:

I am not the only one to take the Pledge -- to answer your question, I would you really NOT vote for Hillary if she becomes the nominee -- at this point, I think the only way she can get the nomination is to steal it away from Obama (or have him killed and try to make it look like a suicide ; )

Posted by: JakeD | February 12, 2008 1:26 PM

Salty1- Get ready for John McCain if Hillary bullies her way into the nomination. A lot of young activists are going to feel robbed and will stay home. Democrats sick of hearing the name Monica and who have read any of the objective Hillary bios will vote to keep her and Barbra away from the Lincoln bedroom once and for all. Old line Democrats are as much of the problem as middle of the road Republicans. Time for a change. Way overdue in fact.

Posted by: mysterycity | February 12, 2008 1:23 PM

According to the demographics, I should be voting for Hillary Clinton: I'm a white, 60-year-old, highly educated woman from the Northeast. But I'm voting for Obama. I've waited all my life for a viable woman candidate for the presidency, but this is not the right woman. I want a woman of the highest ability and virtue, who would serve as a glorious role model to all young women. Hillary Clinton is not that woman.
She rode into power with her husband, and together they've acquired a long and seriously flawed history of self-serving and secretive financial and political dealings. The most cursory research will prove that true. She started out her political life supporting the racist Barry Goldwater. She is as comfortable with deception and trickery as George Bush. When I hear woman saying, "Oh, but that's how you get things done in Washington," I literally cringe.
I am passionately supporting Barack Obama. He can beat the Republicans; she cannot. Obama has attracted Independents and even Republicans to his camp, and in a general election they would vote for him, but not for Clinton. Clinton voted for the war, and has never apologized for it. Obama has spoken out against it from the beginning. Obama brings us hope--and not just that. Take a serious look at his ideas and experience.
Please, I beg of you, Sisters young and old: wait for the right woman. Then we can be proud.

Diane Wald

Posted by: cmroots | February 12, 2008 1:19 PM

JakeD, you are letting this internal competition within the party get to your head. Would you really not vote for Hillary if she becomes the nominee? While I am sure Obama appreciates your enthusiasm, I question your clear-headedness. While there are some arguments to be made for why some Obama supporters might decide to switch to McCain, I can only assume that for the vast majority of us, Hillary is absolutely our second choice for a candidate. We need to start thinking about healing our temporary differences and gearing up for the real battle in November.

Posted by: Salty1 | February 12, 2008 1:16 PM

The Clinton campaign didn't have a healthcare plan before it felled and they don't have one now. Well to be honest, if everyone is a goverment employee, then the Clinton healthcare plan will work for everyone. Unfortunately some are self employed, independent contractors or work for private employors or small business. Under the Clinton healthcare plan these people would be penalized if they don't pay for their healthcare. This means that most of your family members and friends will have their paychecks garnished. We all know that it doesn't stop there if it is a goverment enforcement. There will be fines and then misdemeanors which is a criminal offense defined as less serious than a felony. Why did Ms. Clinton decide on this approach? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out. Big business, big Corporation call it what you will, they want their money back and in order for Ms. Clinton to get their support in her race to presidency she is giving victory to one side (the healthcare providers) by promising to them that she will have the poeople wages garnished if they continue to give healthcare. Thus allowing her to shout the words "UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE" This is a shady tactic and makes fools out of every american that falls for this trick. The Obama healthcare plan is for the people. Poor people, middle class and rich people can rest assured that there is no tricks or penalties in the Obama healthcare plan. VOTE OBAMA!!

Posted by: cmroots | February 12, 2008 1:12 PM

The New England Patriots were the underdogs against the Giants for about 1 minute and 30 seconds at the end of the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl as well. Is our situation any different? We are in the last minutes of a selection process that started 13 months ago, and because there has been a slow reversal of fortunes in the last 3 weeks, everyone is wondering who the real underdog is... Does it matter?

Posted by: Salty1 | February 12, 2008 1:11 PM

In Obama's first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These included
**the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 (became law),
**The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, (became law),
**The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate,
**The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, (became law),
**The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, (In committee), and many more.
An impressive, substantive record, for someone who supposedly has no record or experience. . . .

Posted by: mysterycity | February 12, 2008 1:10 PM

Senator Clinton, who has served one full term (6yrs.), and another year campaigning, has managed to author and pass into law, (20) twenty pieces of legislation in her first six years. 20.
In all, since he entered the U.S. Senate in 2004, Senator Obama has written 890 bills and co-sponsored another 1096. (1096) One thousand ninety six.
These bills can be found on the website of the Library of Congress (www.thomas.loc.gov).

Posted by: mysterycity | February 12, 2008 1:08 PM

PLEASE! McCain took out a $3 million dollar LOAN that had to be backed up with a life insurance policy a few weeks ago! He is now the nominee of his party and the media says NOTHING. Hillary lends her campaign $5 million and she is portrayed as a sinking ship!

Posted by: RJCT27 | February 12, 2008 1:05 PM

I am a lifelong Democrat who will never vote for Hillary Clinton under any circumstances. Her arrogant, imperious, calculating and overbearing character (as epitomized by her threat to "demonize" Sen. Bill Bradley if he didn't blindly support Hillarycare) perfectly mirrors that of the sociopathic idiot we're suffering under now. She voted for the war for no other reason than to enhance her political cred with male voters. She lies (Rose Law Firm records, tax issues, etc.)just as much as Bush. She's tight with the same entrenched power-brokers (hedge fund managers who gave Chelsea that $200K job) as Bush. Her record of non-accomplishment in Congress is striking. She will never beat John McCain, nor does she deserve to. One can only wish that she will simply waddle away and take a College President's job somewhere.

Posted by: mysterycity | February 12, 2008 1:05 PM

Obama is ahead ONLY because the media chants his name each day as a savior with no in depth questions as to how he plans to make his "CHANGE" happen with a blank resume and no real experience while Hillary Clinton is beaten over the head is she sneezes the wrong way! NOT FAIR. We need a President with EXPERIENCE to fix this country. Hopefully, Clinton will capture Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania as planned in several weeks, be back on top and take the well deserved nomination. Making Obama her VP to help him gain much needed experience before he becomes President would be an excellent move also!

Posted by: RJCT27 | February 12, 2008 1:04 PM

maq1:

Last night, on "Deal or No Deal" an African-American woman described being on the show with Howie as a "fairy tale" -- is that O.K. -- or is it racist too?

Posted by: JakeD | February 12, 2008 12:33 PM

rbyrer1 asks
"Bill is quoted as saying that Hillary has received "hundreds of thousands more popular votes." Is this true?"


It depends. Do you count Michigan and Florida? Remember that Obama (and Edwards, and most Dem candidates) weren't on the Michigan ballot. Sen Clinton received a lot of votes there - but Obama received zero, because he observed the DNC ruling that MI had scheduled its primary too early.

If you don't count MI & FL, the popular vote count swings to Obama's favor. If you don't count the superdelegates (which can change their vote any time), the delegate count swings to Obama's favor.

So... Bill didn't lie; he interpreted the facts to make a statement favorable for his wife. Of course, after today's events, the Clinton campaign will likely have to come up with new spin, as even those favorable interpretations of the data likely won't be accurate any longer.

Posted by: bsimon | February 12, 2008 12:16 PM

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html

She is still ahead by 1.1 but it is fading fast. The trend tells the whole story, if this continues, both the delegate and superdelegate counts swing to Obama and then Clinton loses Texas and Ohio I might believe her.

For now I think she is whatever suits her campaign strategy best.

Posted by: IndependenceEveWonderlandBallroom | February 12, 2008 12:15 PM

She is the underdog, as one segment, the Internet, clearly shows:

Barack vs. Hillary- The Google Effect:
http://newsusa.myfeedportal.com/viewarticle.php?articleid=47

SuperDelgates may become an issue, but the general population would not be too happy if they pulled such a stunt. I doubt they would.

Posted by: davidmwe | February 12, 2008 12:09 PM

Bill is quoted as saying that Hillary has received "hundreds of thousands more popular votes." Is this true?

Posted by: rbyrer1 | February 12, 2008 12:04 PM

One minute she's inevitable and her opponent is a "fairy tail," the next she's an underdog running an insurgent campaign. Sounds like Bill Clinton wants to have it both ways.

Posted by: maq1 | February 12, 2008 11:58 AM

Sure, Hillary Clinton is the "underdog" except for the fact she's got the Washington establishment, super-delegates, Florida/Michigan, connections at each of the caucus State-level conventions, and plenty more money where that $5 million "loan" came from.

DON'T LET HILLARY STEAL THIS ELECTION. Pledge to NOT vote for her in November, even if it's McCain, Romney or Huckabee she's facing.

Posted by: JakeD | February 12, 2008 11:52 AM

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