The Trail: A Daily Diary of Campaign 2008

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As a born and raised "wisconsinite" I take offense to borntoraisehogs comments about everyone being drunk all the time. This is not the place for such comments.

The weather is cold but that will not stop anyone from voting, it didn't for me.

I think the results will be surprising on the Democrat side, many Republications I know will not be voting as they feel McCain has sewed up the nomination.

The country seems to forget that there is more to Wisconsin than just Madison and Milwaukee. NE Wisconsin can cause upsets too.
John Gard the Republication shoe-in for the 8th Congressional District was trounced by Democrat Steve Kagen.

The voters here will vote on the candidates merits and both Democratic candidates televised many negative television ads

GO HILARY!!!

Gov Deval Patrick (a friend and supporter of Obama) defended Obama (http://tinyurl.com/yqymx9). That was not the outcome the Clintons were looking for. It was a pretty bizarre tactical maneuver for them to attempt to match two friends against each other. Hillary, you need better material. Another suggestion, instead of ambushing voters with spurious reasons to *not* vote for Obama (all of which folks have rejected wholesale), you must give us at least one single reason to vote *for* you.

What I find offensive are those who don't support Senator Obama imply that the almost 7 million people who have voted for him are a bunch of star-gazed idiots.

Does anyone find it interesting that the exit polls indicate that "educated"/"college-educated" people support Barack 3 to 1, what does that say about Senator Clinton supporters?

We are all entitled to support whomever we please for whatever reason(s) we please. We all have the right to advocate for our candidate, but the insults are unnecessary.

With that said, I do think it is insult to anyone with intelligence to imply that Senator Obama plagiarized one of his co-chairman speeches. Plagiarism means to "steal", Gov. Patrick has said he told Barack to use them. Should Barack attributed them, he could have but I don't think it was necessary, just as I didn't find it necessary when Senator Clinton said she was "fired up and ready to go," to attribute that term to Senator Obama.

another comment on the (incorrect) accusation of plagarism. One does not become president of Harvard law review by lifting others work. This is one of the most difficult and impressive positions in the country earned through original thought and writing. Note the selection to the Law review is ANONYMOUS so it is based on your abilities, not your connections.
Hillary has no comparable achievements although she also applied for Law review while in law school.

sgr_astar said, "It will be interesting to see if anyone could dig up Obama's school records and term papers to see if he had the habbit of taking other's work and claim to be his. There are smart students who do this all the time, and in most cases got away fine.... "
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The Clinton camp already tried this. Don't you remember they already posted one of his essays from Kindergarten.

Back to the same thing I always say. Lets look at the FACTS.

Obama used lines from a speech with permission. This is NOT plagerism. Hillary wrote "her" book with a co-author who was not credited. That IS plagerism.

...of course there is also the issue of substance vs. style. Obama has authored more bills in the Senate than Clinton, gotten more passed than Clinton, and has a higher successful pass rate than Clinton. What exactly HAS Clinton done besides fail on health care? What substance does she have in her speeches besides attacks on Obama?

Wisconsins are not "wacky" any more than any other state. What is "wacky" is people dismissing one state over another as insignicant. What is "wacky" is bothering to post anything so ridiculous. Just as the stereotype of a German is a lederhosen-wearing, beer-swilling Nazi, a stereotype of a Wisconsinite would be a beer-swilling idiot. Wisconsin is comprised of many hardworking farmers, blue collar workers, college students and highly educated professionals. I just hope that enough of the Wisconsin residents have seen through the Obama line of crap.

In a recent interview Clinton was asked "people are saying that if you are elected Bill will be running the country again, what do you have to say to this?". Her response was "every President turns to his spouse for advice, I often gave Bill council when he was President and I will count on his advice just as he did mine". With that said, as she enters the blue collar states, I can't believe that people buy into her. Her husband's NAFTA is what sent many of the jobs away creating the unemployment issues many face. A policy she now says she doesn't support and needs revised after admitting that she gave her husband council while he was in office. She is showing strong support from the factory worker and quite frankly it baffles me. She stands up for special interest groups and supported NAFTA, has millions of dollars in her bank account. WHY would any middle income person think that other than a few liberal views she cares about his lot in life?

Last night I followed a news article link to this article at Politico "Clinton's Past Is Not Through Haunting Her" - which was interesting.

That link is below:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8517.html

BUT. . . a link in the forum for the above article included a VERY revealing article from The Memling Index "Bill and Hillary Clinton's Recent Meteoric Rise in Wealth".

That link is below:

http://thememlingindex.com/hillary_clinton_net_worth-wealth.html

This article includes a graph showing Bill and Hillary Clinton's net worth from 1973 to 2006 ($0 to $35 million). There are also links to various news agencies such as The New York Times, Wall Street Journal, CNN, Newsweek and ABC News to support these net worth amounts. There are more links to some VERY disturbing articles showing what Slick Willie has been doing with his spare time after leaving the White House.

You might not want to read a few of these articles in a darkened room! Most of the articles may shock you.

I think I found out where HRC got that $5 million for her campaign! AND, these articles just might explain WHY the good Senator DOES NOT want to show the nation her tax returns until AFTER she is the Democratic nominee!

Ya got some splainin ta do Maaaum!

We all remember how honest she was during her hubby's sex scandal now that she wont even release her tax records and he was trully disbarred for lying. Ever wondered where the term Hillbilly came from?

Congratulations to Obama, the underdog with no name recognition not in the US or beyond the borders of the US is able to organize a compaign that sent Hillary's compaign crmbling, moving from one slogan to another, changing compaign managers, IF FROM DAY ONE SHE COULD NOT PUT THINGS IN HER CAMP(FAR SMALLER) RIGHT, HOW CAN SHE BE A PRESIDENT OF THE WORLD MOST POWERFUL DEMOCRACY. This is what we call classic leadership skills,BARAK OBAMA should asked the American people to question her about how can she handle the country if she could not handle her own compaign properly with her so called experience

Being a non US Citizen, the election does not effect me directly except to the extent of my business interests in the US and the welfare of my relatives settled there, green card holders, US citizens both natural and naturalized.

An important question that strikes me for both the candidates:

Is Obama in a tearing hurry to enter the White House - History apart. He has been on the national stage for less than four years. He probably was born after Jack Kennedy was assassinated. 2016 would not be too long a wait for him.

A word of caution. If he is the Democratic nominee are the vast and varied Americans ready to have a non-white as their President. In November, Republicans and Independents too would cast the balot in deiciding the electoral college booty. and if perchance, he loses in November, his career would be kayoed. A loss of a bright, energetic player on the national and international stage.

Hillary, she should remember 1984. The Walter Mondale - Geraldine Ferraro ticket took probably the worst beating in the recent history. Americans were not ready a quarter century earlier for a woman to be a heart beat away from Presidency. Are they ready now for a woman President?

Let every eligible voter do a soul searching before answering this question.

And today after eight years of Republican Government, the problems of economy, unemployment, the overseas war, etc. along with the anti incumbency factor, gives the Democrats a golden opportunity to regain the White House.

One hopes they dont squander this opportunity because of immature and partisan considerations and comments, in their quest for the nomination. Whatever the contenders say today against each other wil be ammunition for the Republicans and others when the final nominee starts stumpiong for the real battle.

Prophet Al-obama's platform:

People will eat hope instead of food.
They will pay hope instead of rent to their landlords.
They give hope juice instead of medicine to their children.
They take their children to hopepital if they get sick.
For entertainment they go to the prophet Al-obama rallies, get euphoric and faint.!!

Good job, I'm sure this platform also turns out to be plagarised!!

With Obama's confession that he plagarised from the loser incompetent Governor of Massachusetts, his campaign is due for a free fall.
He will lose Wisconsin today, and March 4th primaries, but since he wasn't so dishonest on campaigns, Hillary will not ask him to be her Vice President.

Sorry Loser!
Sorry Prophet Al-Obama!

Hillary had some talks with General Clark and asked him to be her VP nominee.

Congratulation Hillary!

He is the best nominee to match Mccain's millitary experience.

Former Clinton Press Secretary (DEE DEE MYERS) speaks about the true C-h-a-r-a-c-t-e-r of the the woman who would be President (Hillary Clinton).

Time to open your eyes people. Mrs. Clinton is N-o-t what she pretends to be. How can a person with this type character get anything accomplished in Washington?

Search: PBS Clinton Years ... (Read this for yourself ... Other Clinton Administration folks speak out as well).

Q: Were people afraid of her? Were people afraid to speak out against her?

A: Yeah. And I think because not only would she sort of humiliate you in front of your colleagues or whoever happened to be around. It wasn't like she did it every day. I found that she wasn't the most direct person. Although that was very direct, that to me was the exception rather than the rule. Hillary tended to kind of campaign against people behind their back, and that was certainly my experience. She was not happy with me, but she never confronted me. She never had a conversation with me about it. She would go call Leon in and yell at him and then he'd have to call me in and say, "Mrs. Clinton is really upset about X. You said Y, and she disagrees with that, and you know, she wants you to fix it," or whatever. As opposed to her picking up the phone and calling me. Sometimes it's appropriate, I think, to go through the chief of staff because it's the chain of command. Maybe she's talking to him about six things and one of them is me. But there were times when I thought she should have dealt with me directly and she didn't.

...I didn't respect that. If you have a problem with me or anybody else, it doesn't mean she shouldn't try achieve whatever outcome she wanted to achieve. But I think there is a certain grace and I just think it's a bit better politics and personnel management to be direct.

THERE IS NO CHANGES WITH OBAMA EXCEPT THE MEDIAS HELP AT HIDING HIS RECORD OF SUPPORTING THE WAR AND BUSH. WHAT OBAMA SUPPORTERS ARE AFRAID TO REALIZE. "Senator Obama has some questions to answer about his dealings with one of his largest contributors, Exelon, a big nuclear power company. Apparently he cut some deals behind closed doors to protect them from full disclosure in the nuclear industry."Obamas record shows he supports the war, voted twice in 2006 against bringing America's troops back home. He voted for war appropriations giving our money to Halliburton and Blackwater. His latest bit of posturing S 433 allows the Bush Administration to suspend any troop withdrawal!!!!if not suspended, still keeps the troops in Iraq for a long time to come? Obama when faced with tough choices always gave in to pressure from the Bush administration or corporate lobbyists. Such as Obama voted for Bush's energy bill, sending more than $13 billion in subsidies and tax breaks to oil, coal, and nuclear companies. Obama voted with Republicans to allow credit card companies to raise interest rates over 30 percent, INCREASING STUDENT LOANS RATES AND FEES increasing hardship for families. Obama voted for one of Bush's top priorities - expanding Nafta to South America - even as President Bush obstructed all the top Democratic priorities. Obama voted with Bush to make it harder for ordinary people to hold big corporations accountable when they do things like sell toxic toys, poisonous pet food, human food or just plain rip you off. Obama was the Senate's biggest Democratic advocate of subsidies for liquid coal, even though liquid coal produces twice the global warming pollution of the crude oil it's meant to replace and voted for increased subsidies, albeit with conditions.Obama, a Hamiltonian believer in free trade and supporters of globalization has lent his support to the "Hamilton Project formed by corporate-neoliberal Citigroup chair Robert Rubin and other 'Wall Street Democrats' to counter populist rebellion against corporate tendencies within the Democratic Party. Obama provided assistance to pro-war candidates (such as Joe Lieberman). Obama voted for "business-friendly 'tort reform' bill that rolls back working peoples' ability to obtain reasonable redress and compensation...from corporations!!! Obama considers single payer universal health care too socialist and has stated that he prefers voluntary solutions. **He voted against requiring medical care for aborted fetuses who survive. Abortion opponents see Obama's vote on medical care for aborted fetuses as a refusal to protect the helpless. Some have even accused him of supporting infanticide. He supported allowing retired police officers to carry concealed weapons, but opposed allowing people to use banned handguns to defend against intruders in their homes. And the list of sensitive topics goes on. With only a slim, two-year record in the U.S. Senate, Obama doesn't have many controversial congressional votes which political opponents can frame into attack ads. But his eight years as an Illinois state senator are sprinkled with potentially explosive land mines, such as his abortion and gun control votes. recent land purchase from a political supporter who is facing charges in an unrelated kickback scheme involving investment firms seeking state business. Obama has no substance. He has provided no solutions.

"traction" was first used by Bill Bradley.
Obama the Immodest, as a previous poster put it, delivered the fateful lines as if he had thought them up. It's a close race, so any scrutiny is fair. I am put off by his immodesty, and by his wife's remarks that she is finally proud of the US. They aren't saviours, they're lawyers. We like to be bamboozled, obviously.

vik,

Don't worry. Americans are not stupid, as Hillary would like to believe. They will not fall for her dirty trick.

What really annoys me about Hillary's swiftboating of Obama the most is that it deflected a VERY GOOD POINT he made.
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That her contention that words do not matter is WRONG. And that he "just" makes good speeches.
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His point was that without inspiring words such as, "We believe these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." we would probably NOT be living in the United States of America.
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That without GREAT LEADERS, who were able to COMMUNICATE A VISION, much of mankind's progress would not have occurred. And Obama was making an important point that would silence Hillary's criticism of him - that he makes good speeches!
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And Hillary, knew that. So what did she do? She kepts the story from being about this landmark speech, and instead twists it into a story about the origination of the speech. How could she do it? Because journalists LOVE CONTROVERSY. CONTROVERSY SELLS.
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Swiftboating at its best. I hope Hillary is proud of herself. She would have probably swiftboated FDR for his "nothing to fear but fear itself" speech.
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Completely shameless.

Hillary is "the woman who is offering us an actual plan and real solutions to our problems.."

Really? Some of our problems were brought about by Bill Clnton's NAFTA. Is Hillary here to clean up after Bill? With Bill as co-President, they would just create more problems.

"Definition for the name OBAMA"

O-OUTSTANDING
B-BLACK
A-AMERICAN
M-MAN (for)
A-AMERICA

What good is help without hope?

Hillary,

Stop whining and loose nicely". You are beating yourself".

A nation without HOPE is a DOOMED nation.

To Lisa (at 12:15 AM)

Your argument will wash if Deval Patrick were the one running for President. Your argument is a non-sequitur.

To paraphrase the words of my forefathers Hope creates solution. Let's go Hope.

Okay, so they were Deval Patrick's word-formulas. Credit to Patrick. But, the idea that words are important and do matter is the important argument here - an idea that Clinton derides. Hillary has been clutching at straws. First, the straws of the Michigan and Florida delegates, now, this.

What next? Has anyone ever heard of how dirty the government and politics is? This Larry character..funny how he is just now coming out with this garbage...sounds like a plot by Hillarys dirt campaign. And this lie detector test by this Larry...anyone with a brain knows that a sociopathic mind can beat a lie detector...but others have too and werent sociopaths. So pleaseeeee.....Im sure if Obama had done these things that he would have even considered running for president when such information can be dug up and brought out into the open. As far as Hillary...why dont you have jobs in the auto industry...thank the Clintons for that with their great trade agreement. Gee America..wake up and smell the coffee.

OBAMA TELLS YOU TO HOPE

HILLARY OFFERS HELP

WHICH DO YOU NEED MORE ?

WE'RE ELECTING A PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES -

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RESPONSE:

I'll take the HOPE. One needs to believe before one can act... People generally don't act upon things they don't believe in. Hillary has had 35 years in which to help us. If she had truly helped us, we would not be looking for help now.

OBAMA TELLS YOU TO HOPE

HILLARY OFFERS HELP

WHICH DO YOU NEED MORE ?

WE'RE ELECTING A PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES -

NOT A ROCK STAR PREACHER WITH CELL PHONE RINGER DOWNLOADS !

RESPONSE:

I'll take the HOPE. One needs to believe before one can act... People generally don't act upon things they don't believe in. Hillary has had 35 years in which to help us. If she had truly helped us, we would not be looking for help now.

I'm sure glad we have the Clinton campaign around to keep everyone honest.

Now, which desert kingdom did they say the money for the $5 million loan came from?

Like a train wreck - I couldn't stop reading these comments. I DID feel the passion tho in most of the comments, and I think "that's a good thing" (Martha Stewart I believe).

One strong theme I noticed was that HRC might actually not be ABLE to lose with dignity.

I read a Wall Street Journal article by Peggy Noonan entitled "Can Mrs. Clinton Lose?" on Feb. 8th., and actually sent a shortcut to my desktop so I could re-read it later. (The author may be a little biased in her reporting - but her premise here is a good one I think)

The link to the article is:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120241915915951669.html?mod=hpp_us_inside_today

I NEVER knew for sure until now that this article just may be foretelling the future. What will happen if HRC DOES NOT WIN, or starts to slip more in the primaries? Will the Senator's obsession to win at all costs for whatever reason create a divided Democratic Party - and maybe even worse - a bitter, divided America?

I hope good statesmanship will prevail during these primaries and the election. There appears to be a much more gentle sway to the campaign this election year than I can remember in recent years.

The election of new leaders is one of the most sacred tasks of a free democratic society. The young, the elderly, the protectors of our freedom and the troubled middle class of our country deserve nothing less. AND America NEEDS this "Change" to be won fairly and for the good of a Great Nation.

John

P.S. What - NO spell check???

Hillary is "the woman who is offering us an actual plan and real solutions to our problems.."

^^^
Exactly. I'm braving the cold and ice storms tomorrow to support her.

Bush was "the guy you could sit and have a beer with"

Obama is "the guy you can sit and listen to give a good speech"

Hillary is "the woman who is offering us an actual plan and real solutions to our problems.."

People overthink the tiny, inconsequential things. I am one "kooky" Madison, Wisconsin liberal gay agnostic who is voting for Hillary. I agree with everything Tammy Baldwin says about her. She is the only candidate that has spoken to me about health care issues and provided a concrete answer. Obama is too full of empty optimism for my taste. Either way, maybe with a Democrat in the White House we can begin to repair the damage that has been done to our country and to begin to fix our reputation in the world. It's going to take a long time. And maybe we can even begin to repeal some of the hateful and unnecessary anti-gay laws that have been passed in some states, including here in Wisconsin. My focus is on getting Republicans out of office, not so much who wins the presidential primary.

VOTE - HILLARY CLINTON - PRESIDENT!!!
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with lots of help.

rd

Just finished my latest pastime, looking into the minds of the average American through their posts to various topics presented by people with agendas.

The Writer of this article knows exactly what he is doing. P.T. Barnum had it right early on, "There's a sucker born every minute" This too shall pass. The world is big enough to hold everybody. To quote someone else "The Moral arc of the Universe is long and it bends toward Justice"

This smacks of desperation from the Clinton camp. First, they claim Senator Obama is 'just words' and then they try to attack his words. First of all, Patrick Deval is a good friend of the Senator who is campaigning with and for him- he himself says they write speeches together. Second, Hillary Clinton has lifted plenty of words and phrases from Senator Obama, and she is not campaigning with or for him! Third, repeating famous or common lines, such as 'I have a Dream', is not plagiarism. Finally, The uniqueness of Senator Obama's campaign is not in the turn of a phrase, it is in the strength of his ideas and his call to our nation to return to our better selves. Yes, it is also the strength of his cadence, his baritone, his measured speaking, that makes him easy to listen to, and that is just what is so difficult for Clinton to accept. This will backfire big time- Clinton has lifted piles of phrases from others, and even ghostwrote her own book without credit to the writer. Most of all, this shows again, like the 'kindergarten' material, the level to which her campaign is willing to stoop to try to stop a great man, a great thinker, a great doer, and a great orator.

Oops! Missed a typo. I know it's N-O-B-L-E.

It is Deval Patrick's speech that is being discussed, not the quotes in it from speakers of the past.

You need to work on your reading comprehension skills.

rd

"Senseless youngsters," kreisch? I'm 73, white and female and a ardent Obama supporter. "Senseless"? I have a BA and three MAs. What's more, most of the senior citizens who play bridge at the local center where I live are also Obama supporters. Kinda takes the wind out of your sails, doesn't it?

And as for that ridiculous charge of "plagiarism," the quotations Obama used from great orators of the past are so commonly known and easily identified that he would have been quilty of insulting any audience's intelligence had he thought it necessary to name each of the respective speakers. As for their words having been used by Deval Patrick in a similar manner, so what? Since, for example, advertisements are not copyrighted, companies appropriate material from other companies' clever ads all the time without liability.

What this really comes down to is that, after seven years of a president who can scarcely put three words together in a correct grammtical structure and has more malapropisms to his (dis)credit than any other national leader in modern history, it is so wonderful for the literate among us to hear lucid, articulate, even nobel speech coming out of a prospective candidate's mouth that we should be forgiven our tendency to leave Hamlin right on his heels. (Now, from what source did I "steal" that, you wiseguys?) It is to a large extent speech that separates us from the "lesser" animals. Don't sell it short

Words don't have meaning eh? Who are you kidding. I'm going to present the following words (King James) or one of his writers said "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us". Now Mister Obama you have my permission and King James'permission to use it at any time.Just in case you get stumped.

The writer has no idea of how insulting this article is and that speaks volumes.

To use some of the quotes from Charles Krauthammer-Washington Post-"The Audacity of Selling Hope". Washington Post-February 15, 2008.

"A silver tongued freshman Senator has found a way to sell hope". This kind of sale is hardly new. Organized religion has been offering a similar commodity salvation-for millennia" "

Another point to make about Barack Obama is that while hope and change are important to believe in, change is not always GOOD change. I live in Massachusetts and fell for the Deval Patrick rosing speeches and voted for him with regret. He's not all that popular in Massachusetts these days. Well the lights have been turned off and the elections are over, you need someone who is going to do the work and make all those promises happen. When they don't, or when they move in a direction that they weren't supposed to go, it's downright disappointing. I for one know that rosing speeches and words don't necessarily bring on "good" change. This could be why Barack Obama didn't win in Massachusetts even after the endorsement of both Ted Kennedy and John Kerry. Fool us once, shame on you. Fool us twice, shame on me. Massachusetts won't let that happen again.

BGreat, what does the Illinois constitutional majority requirement of 30 yes votes have to do with it?

rd

The problem with Barack Obama using another candidates words practically verbatim is that he didn't turn a phrase, he lifted a speech of more than just a few words. He's a candidate that has not run his campaign on his experience, or his record, or on the issues. He's run his campaign on his slogan of hope and belief to stir his audience. To find out that those words aren't even his to begin with brings to question what else is not him. How can you believe a man's words if they're not his own? He says he's written two books, but you know, I'm a ghostwriter and I write books for big wigs all the time and their name gets put on the book, not mine. So that doesn't hold weight as well. How can you "believe" anything about Barack Obama?

Maybe the right question is "What's the matter with Obamamania?" Maybe Wisconsonites have been able to see thru the hype and delusion fed by media frenzy and a few good talking points? Maybe Wisconsonites supporting Hillary have figured out that Obama in means Hillary out, and while the Obamamonium is entertaining, our country and the free world are at stake, so lets go for reality not rhetorical hype? Maybe Wisconsonites have had time to see that Obama has nothing to offer but something new for the liberal media to trumpet?

Dear JW from Chicago,

Obama voted present in Illinois, and as you may have learned in 8th grade, but probably forgot, just like Hillary did, there are reasons why one would vote present.

Unlike Congress and the legislatures of most other states, each chamber of the Illinois Legislature requires a "constitutional majority" to pass a bill. The state Senate has 59 members, so it takes 30 affirmative votes. This makes a "present" vote the same as a no. If a bill receives 29 votes, but the rest of the senators vote "present," it fails.

In Congress, in contrast, a bill can pass in either the House or the Senate as long as more people vote for it than against it. If 10 people vote in favor and nine against, and the rest either vote "present" or don't vote at all, the bill passes. It can actually pass with just one vote, as long as no one votes no.

In the Illinois Senate, there can be strategic reasons for voting "present" rather than simply no. A member might approve the intent of legislation, but not its scope or the way it has been drafted. A "present" vote can send a signal to a bill's sponsors that the legislator might support an amended version. Voting "present" can also be a way to exercise fiscal restraint, without opposing the subject of the bill.

Obama is intelligent, thoughtful and ready to be president. Against the war in Iraq since 2002, he was right. He will be right on day one in the White House!

When Hillary is ahead it's attributed to calculation and the Clinton machine, when Barak is ahead it's momentum and hopefull inspiration. The media has certainly gone easy on the Senator from Illinois.

The Clintons are becoming desperate and will do whatever it takes to slow down Obama...oh, yeah, they've done this before....are we surprised? Hillary being calculating and manipulative to get her way...hmmm, let's count FL & MI now, because I need those delegates....don't make me cry!

Come on now, plagiarism? Obaba & Patrick are friends and have collaborated in the past; Obama has said so in a speech last December. They talk about issues and like all politicians, use ideas, phrases and words that work.

Hillary started using "Fired up. Ready to Go"...anyone accuse her of stealing words? She has been using, "Take back our country" which is a Pat Buchanan quote, that he began using in 1992...the list goes on and on. I almost expected her to start singing "Change, change, change", when her experience and ready on day one message fizzled.

Time to get real, Obama knows how to write and speaks in an eloquent and inspirational manner....I have been to rally and live is an incredible experience.....electricity in the crowd. Hillary is a policy wonk and our country is looking for a leader. We had a CEO president the last 7 years and the experience has been truly regrettable.

We can do better! Hope dies last!

Reading some of the comments...leave me to think...most of you need Jesus. I pity lots of you and I silently pray that you will be delivered from the ignorance that has plagued our nations for years.I challenge each of you take two minutes and really be honest with yourself about your thoughts. Some of you is still trying to hold on to that "superior thinking". Trust me when I tell you, this election is in God's hands and I believe he is also tired of the nonesense. It is 2008...and ... Enough already!!!
I challenge some of you to seek education...a mind is a terrible thing to waste...and waste is abundant in some of these excerpts. Ask God to help you with your struggle to accept reality and/or change because it's coming! It's coming and your ignorant words will no longer make a difference. Americans as a whole are becoming smarter...it is harder to sell to the youth, the people...the ignorance. Change is coming! Educate youself to accept it...I guarantee that you will feel better about it. With thoughts such as some of these posted...it must be miserable being you. Nonetheless, God bless you and may the best candidate, as God see fit, lead our Country back to one of the greatest!

can the rest of us keep saying Obama and Hillary? It's a lot shorter. thanks.

rd

An opportunity for change: Obama has the chance accept public financing and help change the way politics are run. He said he would do this. Now, when fundraising is seen as his strong suit, Obama is hedging... and may revert to private finnacing in the general campaign. I feel like I got ripped off in a McDonald's here: where the heck is my "change"?

For all you paternalistic people out there--could you please stop using phrases like "the Clintons" or "Mrs. Clinton" when referring to Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton?! She is a United States Senator for goodness sake, not 42's trophy! Hillary Rodham could have gotten just as far in her career (or maybe farther!) had she mot married Bill Clinton. Yes, she has experience based on having been First Lady, but that doesn't lessen what she learned from 42's administration--lessons like not making promises you can't keep.

Don't tell me words don't matter.

I had a dream this afternoon that the brotherhood of mankind would become a reality.

Just words....

Ask not what your country can do for you, but ask what you can do for your country.

Just words....

We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal.

Just not my words....

Just not my speech...

I am a voter from Chicago, who supported and contributed to see Obama become my Senator. Since he has become my Senator, he has voted 'present' 120 plus times and in the most agregious show of partisan politics, sided completely with his party, never reaching across the aisle as he claims, following the lead of Senator Durbin. As he should, but that shows someone who is green and malleable. Sounds like more BUSH to me.

But I question his genuousness because the entire time he was my Senator, he had another job...campaigning for President. How can he be MY Senator while doing that? He has burnt my bridge for using me and the voters of Illinois as a quick ticket to the White House without paying his dues first....and he says this is because He doesn't want to be tainted. PLEASE!

Representative Corinne Brown, the first African-American elected to congress in Florida, was just in Wisconsin, IN SUPPORT OF SENATOR CLINTON, and is quoted as saying something to the effect:
"If you think having experience doesn't matter, you're stupid,....it took me two years (after being elected to office) just to figure out where to go to the bathroom"

I am tired of the VISCIOUS and mostly unfounded slander Obama supporters are putting out there and yet, saying the Clinton Campaign is the one using negative campaigning.

If you think a politician with their roots in Chicago, my hometown, can escape without DIRTY FILTHY MONEY AND SLUM LORD funding, you are seriously in need of a reality check.

-JW
Chicago

The clintons have finally reverted to gutter politics- I am surprised they were able to run a clean (except for Bills racial remarks before South Carolina)campaign for so long. That must have been a terrible strain on them. Imagine how it must feel to have the primary restructured in such a way as to insure your victory, then have to see a relatively unknown black male, with little national following, humiliate you.

McCain will beat Obama with two hands down.
I do not trust a drug user and someone who has a close tie with a crimal indicted figure.

I certainly hope that WI is not fooled by the ploys of the Clintons tomorrow. Hillary and her campaign is trully stooping to new lows to win.

Clintons claim to '35 years of experience', in my opinion, is worse that the use of famous words by Obama. By the way Hillary, where is your financial statements and the list of donors to the Clinton Library that you were going to present??? Now that's a news story that should be cover extensively by the media

The "plagiarism" charges are BEYOND LUDICROUS for two reasons.

First, EVERYONE is misrepresenting what plagiarism is. Plagiarism is UNAUTHORIZED usage of someone else's words. Deval Patrick simply donated his line of analysis to Obama to use during that Wisconsin dinner. And Deval Patrick and Barack Obama share the same campaign strategist for goodness sakes.

Obama only used TWO WORDS of Deval Patrick's anyways: "Just words!" The rest are part of our common currency of language "We hold these truths..." etc.

Secondly, Hillary is the one who should be accused of plagiarism. She lifted "turn the page..." and "fired up and ready to go" from Obama and she lifted parts of her Super Tuesday speech from Jimmy Carter, for goodness sakes!!

She makes me ill! I was dedicated to supporting her if she became the nominee against McCain. Now I will sit home in November if she is the nominee.

kreisch,

"I couldn't believe Obama supporters are senseless youngsters."

Would you have such an issue if you knew that these "senseless youngsters" were voting for Hillary.
Age doesn't define intelligence. Look around. There are plenty of people of all ages who can't even tell you who the V.P is.
All people want is a chance for a better future and when they look at Hillary, she is no longer what she was maybe 12 years ago. She has become a Washington drone like all the rest. She is desperate. Don't think she wouldn't do ANYTHING to win.

Go Obama!

Whew! What a race this is.
Maybe the Post could start running its blogs like a letters to the editor feature - publish some representative samples and spare the readers most of the garbage.

It's what's said in the talk. Details versus promises. No one has disputed that Hillary brings substance to the table.

She will change some of the things like NAFTA that didn't work as hoped in Bill Clinton's administration. That was a joint free trade initiative with Republicans, but that's also what happens when you do joint things with the Republicans.

Watch out what you promise.

rd

The Clinton camp keep saying, enough talk.... what is she expecting him to do...leave the campaign trail...stop giving speeches. Give up. How else does one win the Presidency other than talk...Not everyone can rely on running on their spouses last name recognition. Clinton supporters have to ask themselves the honest question. Would she be one contest away from winning the Democratic Nomination if she did not remain married to Bill Clinton? Obama supporters have their issues, but I have rarely went 5 minutes into conversation with a Hillary supporter without Bill Clinton's record coming into the equation.

Republicans stopped it then, the same as they will continue to try to stop every Dem initiative.

You guys must be smoking some of Obama's dope if you think Republicans are going to do anything the most liberal person in the Senate wants to do because he promises to sing kumbuya with them.

rd

I am not at all surprised that Senator Obama would fail to credit Governor Patrick for words from a 2006 speech. You are talking about a candidate who has been given a clean ride by the media so far and when the republicans unleash their investigators on Obama--he want even be able to prove that he bought his mansion legally in Chicago, without help from Tony Rezko--who is now in jail awaiting trial. The democrats will lose control of both houses of Congress with Obama at the top of the ticket.

If Hillary is the "solutions" candidate, then why didn't she find a solution to the health care problem when she had the opportunity and authority to do so? Why should we trust someone to find solutions who has tried and not proven they can do the job.

It seems the candidate of "solutions" is long on rhetoric and short on a record of achievement.

Eward2, unless someone clarifies better, the owner wanted to sell both because no one can get to the lot but the house owner. Where I come from that's called a backyard.

The parts that are fatal here are having made a career funnelling taxpayer dollars to this guy and then going to him after being elected Senator and getting hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of financial help.

Republicans spent 70 million investigating $40,000 the Clintons lost in a land investment. They will have a field day with a land deal like this with a Syrian.

The other is the lying about how he knows Rezko. He told the whole nation in the debate that this was someone he did about five hours of legal work for a non-profit years ago, and instead it's someone who owns his backyard.

That takes some audacity.

rd

My fellow Americans, lend me your ears:

The Hillary Clinton campaign is doing all it can to make the 2008 election a miserable experience for all Americans. LET US NOT LET HER SUCCEED IN THAT EFFORT! We should not prolong the Democratic Party nomination any longer. We have a leading candidate with momentum -Sen. Obama.

Voters in Wisconsin, Texas, Ohio, Hawaii, RI and elsewhere go ahead and vote en masse for Sen. Obma, to put Hillary Clinton out of her misery, and save us all from her scurrilous allegations and nasty and negative campaign!

Uncommitted delegates and super-delegate, switch to Sen. Obama, and do not delay any longer. What are you waiting for -to witness a nastier campaign from Hillary Clinton, and further damage to the chances of Democrats to win the Presidency in 2008?

The dubious plagiarism charge by the Hillary Clinton campaign is an act of desperation. Any American with commonsense, at all knows that's all it is -DESPERATION, DESPERATION, DESPERATION!

Ignatius Anyanwu
Folsom, California

The best choice for this country is still Clinton. That's what takes to fix this terrible economy, and then we talk about something else, war, health care, education, ... Obama's economic plan is to print more $100 bills to give out troubled homeowners. I wonder how far that can go. yeah, he is change and future and all that ... he made experience a terrible thing to have. This country has gone insane buying into that. Well, it is hard to overestimate the intelligence of american voters these days. After all, Bush/Cheny were voted twice to office.

"Hillary wants it both ways, anything to win."

Too true.

I wish she'd just shut the heck up!

it's hard to see the working side of Obama because everytime you rurn on the TV he's preaching to a big crowd, many following him like following Jesus.

Since the beginning, Senator Obama has been telling people what they want to hear.
He is a wonderful preacher and he can handle thousands of people and make them tremble. He reminds me of very successful church preachers that make handicap people walk or make their sicknesses disappear. He would be great in a huge church but elect him to the highest office and make him Commander in Chief of the USA with two years in the Sena