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Politeness Rules in Austin -- at First


Seok-Kiew Koay of Dallas shows her support for Hillary Clinton before the Democratic presidential debate in Austin on Thursday. (Bloomberg News)

Updated 9:16 p.m.
By Jonathan Weisman
AUSTIN -- With Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton hoping for a game-changing moment, tonight's CNN-Univision debate is serving as an elusive target.

Her rival, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), is sitting on his delegate lead, emphasizing what his policy proposals have in common with Clinton's and avoiding fights.

"Senator Clinton and I have been talking about these issues for the last 13 months. We both offer detailed proposals to try to deal with them. Some of them are the same. Some we have differences of opinion," he said. "But I think we both recognize that these problems have to be dealt with and that we have seen an administration over the last seven years that has failed to address them."

"I would agree with a lot that Senator Obama just said," Clinton fired back, "because it is the Democratic agenda. The wealthy and the well connected have had a president for the past seven years. I think it's time the rest of America have a president."

That opening exchange set the tone for a debate marked much more by agreement than by disagreement, more by camaraderie than by combat. On immigration and on economic policies, the two candidates were completely in sync. With Texas's Hispanic vote in mind, they both advocated a comprehensive approach to overhauling immigration laws, with an emphasis on cracking down on employers, not illegal immigrants. Clinton even appeared to back away from her Senate vote to establish a vast border fence with Mexico, saying the Bush administration was moving toward a fence that would divide communities.

"There is a smart way to protect our borders, and there is a dumb way to protect our borders," she said. "And what I learned last night ... is that the University of Texas at Brownsville would have part of its campus cut off. This is the kind of absurdity that we're getting from this administration."

On economics, Clinton moved toward Obama's more populist tone. While he repeated his call to renegotiate trade deals, such as the North American Free Trade Agreement, she advocated the establishment of a new "trade prosecutor" to make sure labor, environmental and safety standards are enforced on foreign trade partners.

Clinton did repeat her charge that Obama's campaign has been long on rhetoric while his record is short on accomplishments.

"Words are important and words matter, but actions speak louder than words," she said.

But Obama parried the charge, saying her campaign entreaty of "Let's get real" is akin to suggesting his supporters "are somehow delusional."

"We shouldn't be spending our time tearing each other down," he said. "We should be building the country up."

Clinton zipped off perhaps the best zinger of the night when she went on offense over allegations that Barack Obama has plagiarized some of the best lines of his speeches.

"I think that if your candidacy is going to be about words, then they should be your own words. That's, I think, a very simple proposition," she said to applause, adding, "and you know, lifting whole passages from someone else's speeches is not change you can believe in, it's change you can Xerox."

The response? A collective gasp and a smattering of boos.

Posted at 9:10 PM ET on Feb 21, 2008  | Category:  The Debates
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i don't get the unquestioning acceptance of hilary's continual claims of 'experience'. i just don't see a great record of 'experience', and we know what happened in those cases where she did a task and responsibility, like health. she screwed big time. It seemes to me that obama has claim to equal experience, and you could say a much greater claim of successful outcomes.

and then you could consider their different actions/stands on critical strategic isues and matters of principle.

how anyone can contemplate letting the clinton twins anywhere near the white house is beyond me. part of it (up til now) and is obviusly also part of the hilary ethos, is taht she deserves it because of all she had to put up with in their relationship bill. that ain't a great reason. but you can see this underlying "i deserve it. i put in the time". and in fact the real subtext to "experience" that they hammer is really "pain & suffering".

and their (teams) hard-nosed 'whatever it takes''win at all costs' with multiple levels of unending hypocrisy and moral dishonesty

hilary may be more principled political appareteck (?? can someone please fix spelling? :-)

but it has become some very very obvious that bill is totally unprincipled scoundrel, in policitcs, busioness, and of couyrse personally. he is a moral 'no go zone'

anyway, can't we just vote for Jed?

truly though, win, lose, or draw, obama's journey is an amazing thing to be witness to. it is transforming. and it is transforming this country. people (incl politicians)will never approach politics the same.


Posted by: don | February 24, 2008 12:52 AM

The fact of the matter is that OBAMA did plagierize. This is absolutely true and he did not give his friend the credit. He chose to deceive the people listening. This is a fact that NO one can deny.
This same thing brought down other people.
Why is this guy not held accountable for his action? Is it really "silly" or is it a RED FLAG as to what will come?
Not good for Obama.

Posted by: ceojuliej | February 23, 2008 5:02 PM

The fact of the matter is that OBAMA did plagierize. This is absolutely true and he did not give his friend the credit. He chose to deceive the people listening. This is a fact that NO one can deny.
This same thing brought down other people.
Why is this guy not held accountable for his action? Is it really "silly" or is it a RED FLAG as to what will come?
Not good for Obama.

Posted by: ceojuliej | February 23, 2008 5:02 PM

The American white male resentment is as ominous and ubiquitous of Hillary as you Republicans have been preaching! Maybe the best thing is for Hillary to set this one out and give it to McCain! That way she can jettison all the liberal extremists such as Kennedy Kerry Durban et al! They will tank the democratic party as they did under Kennedy aspics with Robert challenging Lyndon Johnson that resulted in republican victories! Consider McGovern, Mondale and the inflatable but ineffective Jimmy Carter! The democratic party has become more sociological conscious since the Kennedy era that true Roosevelt moderate democratic find horribly offensive!

The American Republican party historically has invariably managed to construct a solid functioning bridge between capitol and labor!Perhaps it did not accommodate everyone but functioned without noticeable tradgedes!
Perhaps that is what is needed now in America! Perhaps McCain has anointed his political cup with enough capitalist concessions in Medicare to satisfy moderate white Americans such ! Obama loses and the liberal neophilia avatar disintegrate into the ashes of the Phoenix from which it arose! This is a transient zeitgeist that has swept Americans into a frozen frenzy of penance and retributions of past racial sin! The etiology of these emotions and feelings lay squarely upon the maudlin soaked emotions of hopeful youngsters that are being manipulated by the drunken Ted Kennedy in order to preserve the antiquated Kennedy myth ! As in 68 and 72 the seniors of the party will respectfully request their leave from party obligations and party fealty! Ombama will lose overwhelmingly!

Bill and Hillary who are demicratic moderates say we do not need the extremists ! It will purge the democratic party of kooky oneiric delusional kids that believe government is the answer to all our American social-economic problems! It is the majic elixir that is pillared by jealous old men attempting political survival!

Senescent American such as me realize that the American system of capitalism will become permanently warped and permuted through an excess of social programs! The American élan vital that motivates capitalism is aggressive puissant business behavior! But This behavior has surrendered to embarrassing corruption indolence and fraudulent screeds of deceptive political money legerdemain! If John McCain is to win he must cling and cloy obsequiously to a pledge to clean up the wall street corruption made possible by run a way lobbyists!

Posted by: hlmencken | February 23, 2008 1:35 PM

Boos don't gernerally mean anything except that the people making them have exceptionally poor manners, and that the press who zeros in on them are hacks without the ability to write about something really noteworthy. Besides, some candidates are tough enough to take this raw treatment, while others get coddled and gushed over. Wonder what that means in terms of who is considered the most Presidential?

Besides, I didn't hear any boos. I did hear a lot of applause for Clinton. Oh, and the standing ovation doesn't hurt either. I know it just KILLS you Obamakins when he is not stealing the spotlight every waking second, but face it, Hillary is so good sometimes that even the most mean spirited people have to show her some respect.

He had some good moments too, by the way. I can admit that. But she's the one who shines.

Posted by: syoung1 | February 22, 2008 5:02 PM

It's interesting that the Clinton campaign utilized methods of hypocrisy while accusing Obama of doing the same thing.
Politics is one area where *what* is said matters far more than *how* it is said.
Clinton bolsters her pathetic image with futile and petty attacks on Obama's character far more than his campaign. If she wants to win, she should cry again, because that's the only success she's had to date.
I don't care how patriotic and "for the people" she touts herself to be, she can't have my pity-vote just 'cuz she thinks Obama might get the better of her.
What kind of image is she projecting as a woman? One who whines and fights dirty. I don't want a shrinking violet of a woman with the moral integrity of her husband to be running my country.
I apologize if I have offended anyone, but since my words are intended to provide a cynical view, I do not regret them.

Posted by: theater_junky | February 22, 2008 3:23 PM

I thought Hilary Clinton's "moment" was genuine. No one can visit these soldiers and not be moved by what they are going through. But here's the thing...I've been to both Walter Reed and San Antonio, and I remember thinking at the time, seeing such vicious wounds and amputations...this (Iraq) was just not worth it. These men and women have paid much, much too high a price. And as much as I would like a woman in the White House, and respect Senator Clinton for her intelligence and service to this country, I cannot get over that vote to authorize Bush to go to war. You cannot campaign on their suffering if you helped send them over there.

Posted by: epmc | February 22, 2008 12:16 PM

Did anyone else notice how Campbell Brown kept cutting Hillary Clinton off in mid-sentence in last night's debate while allowing Obama free rein? In spite of Campbell's rude treatment, Clinton still won the Austin debate hands down from her opening statement to her closing words. Read more:
http://katalusis.blogspot.com/2008/02/clinton-wins-austin-debate-hands-down.html and at
http://katalusis.blogspot.com/2008/02/clintons-substance-trumps-obamas-style.html

Posted by: ichief | February 22, 2008 11:46 AM

xmassan, what it sounds like is someone stealing lines from John Edwards at one of the earlier debates.

Posted by: tonine | February 22, 2008 3:44 AM

Did Hillary start to concede the nomination toward the end? Hillary said, "No matter what happens in this contest, I am honored _ I am honored _ to be here with Barack Obama. I am absolutely honored. Whatever happens, we're going to be fine."

Sounds like someone going out with a wimper instead of a bang.


Posted by: xmassan | February 22, 2008 12:46 AM

Hillary is being relegated to history's political dustbin. Not enough people feel sorry for her.

Posted by: gmundenat | February 22, 2008 12:16 AM

Hillary parses over so many points and gives so many little tidbits of information that when she gets done talking you have no idea what she said. For one , you've fallen asleep. number two is that she always has all these little exceptions and conditions for her positions, you can't tell where she stands. obama gives aclearly defined message.

Posted by: majorteddy | February 21, 2008 11:00 PM

"it's change you can Xerox"

Here's betting that she didn't come up with that line on her own. To be consistent, she should have credited the person who supplied it. Perhaps her campaign will let us know who really wrote it.

Posted by: lutefisk | February 21, 2008 10:50 PM

I thought her line about having a President for the rich and well connected for the last seven years...was a little incongruous considering Mrs. Clinton just loaned her campaign 5 million dollars and just had a 100,000 dollar per plate fund raiser in NYC...who is rich and connected and who are the American people the Clinton's keep talking about? And I am a little concerned about the onslaught of woman who keep grabbing the candidates arms after walking to the meetings 10 miles uphill both ways to tell each candidate personally of their problems! Not to mention after the speeches / debate were over Obama went to talk and shake hands with the people and Mrs. Clinton was nudged by her handler to go do the same!

Posted by: rpascal619 | February 21, 2008 10:40 PM

Agreed wharwhood. If the audience boos your 'line' in a debate, that's the sound of you shooting yourself in the foot. Adios, Hilary. Her best response was re a moment of crisis and alluding to Lewinsky. Sadly, it also reminds us how she got elected Senator. It is also why people are turned off at the thought of Bill back in the White House surrounded by nubile, bright, star struck young interns (mmmm, interns). Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton? Uggh. Go Barack Go!

Posted by: blutozson | February 21, 2008 10:30 PM

Bottom line: she got booed. Thats not good. The line was lame; a mixed metaphor, and weird. If this is her best shot, she needs to call up Deval for a couple lines to borrow.

Posted by: wharwood | February 21, 2008 10:12 PM

Who won the CNN Democratic Debate in Austin Texas?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1763

.

Posted by: jeffboste | February 21, 2008 9:21 PM

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