The Trail: A Daily Diary of Campaign 2008

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i believe that Obama should BECOME the president..
not because of his race..
but because i STRONGLY believe that he can help this country become a better place,and to calm all this war between the U.S and other countries..
Also,to make it safer for you,others,his family,and most of all the country

Ah Mr. Bacon. Must be mildly redemptive for you, this story. If only you had shown similar grasp of fact and fiction last November. Shame, that. But well done here.

Whatever, Jake. LOL, Every poll I see today shows Obama beating McCain.
Yep, I remember the photo of a smiling Harry Truman holding the newspaper the day after the election. The headline says "Dewey Wins".

wly34:

Today's LA Times/Bloomberg poll shows John SIDNEY McCain beating BOTH Dem hopefuls ; )

Texas poll:

The 'Ayes' of Texas Are Upon Him: Obama Now Atop Clinton -- In a Democratic Primary in Texas today, 02/25/08, 8 days till votes are counted, Barack Obama moves ever-so-slightly ahead of Hillary Clinton, though at the edge of the margin of sampling error, according to a SurveyUSA poll conducted for KTRK-TV Houston, KTVT-TV Dallas and KRLD-AM radio Dallas. Today, it's Obama 49%, Clinton 45%. Compared to a SurveyUSA tracking poll released one week ago, Obama is up 4 points, Clinton is down 5 points."

Almost 30 percent of the people polled say they have already voted and Obama leads there with a large margin.

Ok, let's hear more about the Florida and Michigan primaries, after reading this:

"Bill and Hillary Clinton like to say that they're committed to fighting for people "who work hard and play by the rules". The Clintons may work hard, but their bending of the spirit, if not the letter, of Democratic Party rules which they agreed to follow in Michigan and Florida, demonstrate that playing by the rules is not something the Clintons believe applies to them.

Both the Democratic and Republican National Committees were put in a difficult position by Michigan and Florida, which moved up their primary dates in violation of Party rules meant to give some order to the voting process. Given the importance of Michigan and Florida to the fall election, the Republican National Committee probably played it smarter than the DNC. The RNC allowed Republicans to campaign in Michigan and Florida primaries, while denying those states half their Convention delegates. The DNC stripped those states of all of their delegates and prohibited candidates from campaigning there.
The DNC was particularly harsh with the Florida Democratic Party, which was effectively forced to move up its primary date by the Republican-controlled Legislature.

Nevertheless, all of the Democratic candidates pledged to abide by their party's rules. Only Hillary Clinton tried to gain an extra advantage by flaunting those rules. In Michigan, Hillary was the only Democrat who did not take her name off the ballot. Even with no other Democrat's name on the ballot, "uncommitted" got almost as many votes as Hillary.""

Yeah, she won in Michigan, she was the only one on the ballot and them almost got beat.
Either Clinton supporters, can't read, can't understand what they read or don't want to think Hillary will do anything to be elected. We know her only too well down this way.

This incident force me to make up my mind.

I voted for Obama in my state primary and I'll vote for him in November if I have a chance.

But if it comes down to McCain and Clinton -- despite the fact that I think McCain was wrong about the Iraq invasion, despite my fears about his age, despite the fact that I was deeply troubled by his wooing of the religious right, despite my *many* misgivings about his candidacy, I believe I will have to vote for McCain if my only other choice is Clinton.

She has run not just a disastrously poorly run campaign -- but one which has dipped repeatedly into the gutter in its desperate attempts to hold on to what it once clearly considered an entitlement.

Whatever you wish to believe, but read todays latest news. Sorry Clinton supporters.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Three national polls of Democrats show Sen. Barack Obama is the front-runner for the nomination. But what's behind this latest momentum?

New national polls show Sen. Barack Obama, right, trumping Sen. John McCain in November.

There's growing evidence that Obama is seen as more electable than Sen. Hillary Clinton..."

Hillary Clinton did not release the photograph. She may not be your preferred candidate, but please acknowledge that she is not a stupid woman. She would know that it would provoke a firestorm of a reaction from Sen Obama's supporters, who would rally to defend him from this sort of attack, and that the media would use it as another weapon with which to attack her.

For the reasons stated above, the person or persons responsible for circulating this picture were definitely not from the Clinton camp. Now, when looking for the culprit of the crime, the first question a good detective would ask is, "who benefits?" Not Hillary.

If a freshman senator chooses to take a five country tour on my nickel and then chooses to dress like a somali elder (still on my nickel) and somebody shoots a photo of it and it's published, what is the problem? It's public information and should have public access.

If senator Clinton wins this nomination after the SHAME ON YOU BARACK ATTACK and the recent KENYAN PHOTOS, admittedly supplied by his campaign staff,i will quit my job as a packer in a factory and contest the next presidential elections. Anyone so DEVIOUS AND DESPERATE SHOULD NOT BE TRUSTED TO BE THE LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD.

Sure looks like when things get tight, Clinton is pulling pages straight out of the Republican playbook. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Matt Drudge's site one of the sites that broke the Monica Lewinski scandal? How sad that Her campaign is now trying to use the same GOP mouthpiece to spread her "message". And what IS that message? "Careful or you might vote for a Muslim!" Even though Obama is a Christian, obviously that's what is being conveyed by sending out that picture. It can only damage her, Obama followers see it for what it is. She really is part of the old machine.

In Response to WLY34:

What does Obama have to offer but offer false hope to his followers through giving fiery motivational inspirational speeches with no substance, and if Obama had won those two states, his campaign would have wanted them counted as well, so don't give me that Bologna, if does not fly with me. Hillary is running for president not bill so please don't for get that, Hillary has her own Ideas on how she want's to run the country in order to get us out of this mess Bush has our country in, you see, this is that gender-biased thinking surfacing again, some men think that women are incapable of leading, and really don't really want a woman being President anyway, I know a lot of my fellow men that are sorry leaders as well. We need to put gender, emotion, inspiration, and race aside in this campaign and vote for the candidate who has the most and best experience to fix the mess this country is in, I'm a strong confident man who believes that Hillary meets that criteria, over Obama who only has a Hope and inspiration that things will be turned around for the better in this country.
Hillary may not be the best talker, but utlimately she's the best walker.

Don't forget Florida and Michigan . . .

JakeD, many Republicans are crossing over to vote for Obama in the Texas primaries, because they can't stand Hillary. Then they can vote for whomever they wish in the general election.
Thank you Texas for your election laws.

To be fair, wly34, I voted for Obama in the primary as well -- at this point, I hope Hillary secures the nomination just to keep all the Obama voters away from the polls -- I think we are now arguing about voting for him in the GENERAL election.

"Now all of sudden, this stupid photo shows up, and we are to believe the Clinton camp is behind it? Sorry fellas, I am not buying it."

Then all they have to do is deny it. It's been 24 hours and they have not denied it, even when Williams had the chance. Why won't they deny it? Because they sent it.

Quote: "I see you have nothing better to do but to attack me personally, you have the problem, I don't. The important thing here is don't make an mistake and vote fora man who's too inexperienced to be President."

I have already voted for him. As most of Texas is doing.
Inexperienced?? Hillary is counting her years as the first lady for experience?? Help us all. The president who was impeached for lying under oath. The president who pushed NAFTA and then signed it into law, while Hillary bragged about it being a "boon" to the economy until she needs to be against it to be elected. The "experienced" one who said, "don't count Florida and Michigan" until she now needs them. That kind of "experience" we can do without.

Obviously, given the "backlash" against Hillary Clinton over the last 24 hours, that would be one big purpose -- perhaps you haven't read any of the posts above -- another purpose would be to further immunize Obama in the GENERAL election (i.e. Dan Rather's National Guard story re: Bush). Shall I go on?

Not only where did you get that "scoop".
What is the purpose of publishing it??

jmfromdc:

Wow!!! Where did you get that scoop?

http://www.swivel.com/data_sets/spreadsheet/1004396

News Flash---------- It was a Clinton staffer that sent the "picture" to Drudge..
Not a Clinton 08 staffer but a Clinton 92 staffer working in 08 for OBama

Lilly111:

Was Abe Lincoln "too inexperienced" to be President? Was Andrew Jackson? George Washington?

In response to hikaya:

I see you have nothing better to do but to attack me personally, you have the problem, I don't. The important thing here is don't make an mistake and vote fora man who's too inexperienced to be President.

Article in the Atlantic on Clinton's connection to Drudge:
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200712/clinton-obama/2

Perhaps the ultimate example of hard-won experience is the relationship that developed last year, brokered by an outside ally, between the Clinton campaign and a man who was once a sworn enemy: Matt Drudge, the Internet pioneer. (News of the Monica Lewinsky scandal first broke on the Drudge Report.) In a Democratic primary, news that the Clinton campaign is funneling information to Drudge is potentially explosive--few figures inspire more liberal wrath than Drudge. (When I confronted the mole, she confirmed the connection to Drudge, but first asked for anonymity.) Still, Drudge has proved a useful tool for the campaign in framing media coverage. When it became clear that Obama had raised more first-quarter money for the primary race than Clinton had, the Clinton campaign minimized the damage by preemptively leaking its own numbers to Drudge. "Clinton Blows the Field Away" was the headline on an exclusive Drudge story claiming she had raised $36 million. Only later, with much less fanfare, did it become clear that only $19 million would count toward the Democratic primary.

The Clinton campaign has also used Drudge to go on offense. In one example, an aide confirmed that the campaign sent Drudge a link to a story in which Michelle Obama seemed to take a swipe at Hillary Clinton over Bill's infidelity. The story was presented--from Clinton to Drudge to the public--in a manner that was badly out of context, with a link to an exclusive videotape of Michelle Obama's comment. But it nevertheless dominated the news cycle for 24 hours.

From the NY Times Oct. 07:
Clinton Finds Way to Play Along With Drudge
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/22/us/politics/22drudge.html?pagewanted=print

Article in the Atlantic on Clinton's connection to Drudge:
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200712/clinton-obama/2

Perhaps the ultimate example of hard-won experience is the relationship that developed last year, brokered by an outside ally, between the Clinton campaign and a man who was once a sworn enemy: Matt Drudge, the Internet pioneer. (News of the Monica Lewinsky scandal first broke on the Drudge Report.) In a Democratic primary, news that the Clinton campaign is funneling information to Drudge is potentially explosive--few figures inspire more liberal wrath than Drudge. (When I confronted the mole, she confirmed the connection to Drudge, but first asked for anonymity.) Still, Drudge has proved a useful tool for the campaign in framing media coverage. When it became clear that Obama had raised more first-quarter money for the primary race than Clinton had, the Clinton campaign minimized the damage by preemptively leaking its own numbers to Drudge. "Clinton Blows the Field Away" was the headline on an exclusive Drudge story claiming she had raised $36 million. Only later, with much less fanfare, did it become clear that only $19 million would count toward the Democratic primary.

The Clinton campaign has also used Drudge to go on offense. In one example, an aide confirmed that the campaign sent Drudge a link to a story in which Michelle Obama seemed to take a swipe at Hillary Clinton over Bill's infidelity. The story was presented--from Clinton to Drudge to the public--in a manner that was badly out of context, with a link to an exclusive videotape of Michelle Obama's comment. But it nevertheless dominated the news cycle for 24 hours.

From the NY Times Oct. 07:
Clinton Finds Way to Play Along With Drudge
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/22/us/politics/22drudge.html?pagewanted=print

Hillary has the "experience" of a back seat driver.

ginigirl3 wrote:

"Now all of sudden, this stupid photo shows up, and we are to believe the Clinton camp is behind it? Sorry fellas, I am not buying it."

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Nonsense. More of the same again from the Clinton camp.

The origin and relevance of the photo should be of concern to any Democrat who would not use race or religion or patriotism as a wedge in our society. If that's acceptable to you, you don't really know what the Democratic Party has traditionally stood for or what its ideology is all about.

The origin is indisputably from the Clinton campaign, according to the Drudge Report. And why do I believe Drudge? Because he was right about the Lewinsky scandal and because it fits the pattern of the Clinton machine in this campaign. The same machine which has been caught using push-polling in Iowa, the campaign that ABC News reported Friday has been circulating claims that Obama hobnobbed with former members of a radical domestic terrorist group (while conveniently leaving out that Bill pardoned dozens of violent radicals, including one of the same group the Clinton campaign tries to link Obama to). The same Clinton machine that gave up delegates in Michigan and Florida only to vow they would be seated. The same campaign that has circulated mailers falsely accusing Obama of praising GOP economic policies and wanting to decrease Social Security benefits. The same Clinton machine that speaks of being honored to be onstage with Obama, then accuses him of Rove tactics while emailing stories and photos to bolster what Hillary said today about Obama not being able to provide for national security.

And why wouldn't he, Hillary? Because you want to paint him as a sleeper agent bound for the heart of our democracy?

What garbage. What vile excrement! This is the Hillary Clinton we know: the purveyor of filth and innuendo.

It's why the backlash has started. It's why the Clintons will be noted for their obscene politics. And it's why Hillary will spend the next eight years in obscurity, remembering this season as the one in which she elevated Obama to the presidency.

You have got to be kidding me. The Obama camp released two flyers to defame Hillary Clinton this weekend in Ohio. Now all of sudden, this stupid photo shows up, and we are to believe the Clinton camp is behind it? Sorry fellas, I am not buying it. Let's hope at tomorrow's debate, that Hillary puts up her dukes and shows us the fight we have all been waiting for.

The "anyone but Hillary" people are behind Barack Obama. They know damn well he is not qualified. The Repulicans will chew him up and spit him out-no doubt in my mind.

Hillary Clinton 2008-- Let's hope it is not too late. if it is , McCain has my vote. Barack Hussein Obama will need to grow into his ears, and become a full grown man before I would even consider voting for him.And believe me, that is many years off!!

This is yet another Nixonian stunt by the Clintons. They damage themselves more than anyone. Sadly, they also damage the prospects for a Democratic victory in the fall as well.

jhbyer

I understand. And this is not a court of law, but politics. In politics perception sometimes trumps reality and facts.

My candidate dropped out long ago and I have been watching the last two candidates standing.

Obama now is 7 or 8 points up on McCain. And its February. I remember 2004 when Kerry was 17 points up on Dubya and lost close.

I remember 1988 when Dukakis was 20 points up on Poppy and lost miserably.

If any of this stuff comes out in the General Election, and count on the Republicans to dig it up and put it out, that 7 or 8 point lead won't last.

This stuff and more is out there floating about on the internet, some surfaces on Drudge, now, but they are all holding their fire until Obama is finally settled on, then the fire will come down on him and his wife and what she has said.

After reading the piece, tell me, where do you think that Obama wants to take the country?? Where you have been is a good indicator as to where you are going and where you will take the country as president.

Where has Obama been?? What has shaped him into the person he is?

I do not buy that he is or was a Muslim. It doesn't matter. Anything from his father or step father doesn't matter because he was not raised by his father. He is the product of a single parent home, that single parent being his mother who more than likely had a greater impact on his formative years and psyche than any other person. Know his mother and learn about Obama.

This piece gives some insight. But I am looking for any other piece that can give some insight into where this man, 3 years on the national stage all the sudden wants to take the country. He is a man without portfolio promising change. I think he is determined enough, smart enough, politically savvy enough to make it to the presidency and to change the country.

But into what?? You tell me.

"God Help Us from these Three Gangesters"

Obama's pastor disses Natalee Holloway

'White girl goes off and gives it up' in Aruba, preacher pal says

Posted: January 27, 2008
6:49 pm Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com

Sen. Barack Obama's longtime friend and spiritual adviser trashed the memory of a missing and presumed dead American teenage girl, according to church publications reviewed by WND.

Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the controversial minister of Obama's church in Chicago, cited the case of Natalee Holloway's disappearance in Aruba in complaining about what he sees as the media's bias in covering white victims of crime over black victims.

"Black women are being raped daily in Darfur, Sudan, in the Congo and in Sub-Saharan Africa. That doesn't make news," Wright said in the August 2005 edition of Trumpet Magazine, a publication of his Trinity United Church of Christ.

But, "One 18-year-old white girl from Alabama gets drunk on a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and 'gives it up' while in a foreign country, and that stays in the news for months!" he added. "Maybe I am missing something!"

The circumstances involving the coed's disappearance remain unclear, and the case remains unsolved. Holloway left Mountain Brook, Ala., on a May 2005 senior class trip to Aruba.

Barack Obama

Attempts to reach her family for comment were unsuccessful. But her mother, Beth Holloway, has written a book, "Loving Natalee," in which she reveals her daughter named Jesus Christ as one of the most influential people in her life in a trove of writings she found in her bedroom.

In the same 2005 church publication, Wright suggested "white America" had the 9/11 attacks coming, while calling for business "divestment from Israel," which he refers to as a "racist" state along with America.

"In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01," he wrote on page 7. "White America and the Western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just 'disappeared,' as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring Black concerns."

Obama says he is "proud" of Wright and values their 20-year friendship.

Though Wright has nurtured Obama's political career as a close adviser and mentor, the Democrat presidential hopeful says they don't agree on everything. Wright married Obama and baptized his daughters.

Louis Farrakhan

In the November/December 2007 issue of Trumpet, Wright sang the praises of Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, who has described whites as "blue-eyed devils" and Jews as "bloodsuckers."

"He brings a perspective that is helpful and honest," Wright said. "Minister Farrakhan will be remembered as one of the 20th and 21st century giants of the African-American religious experience."

Wright then held Farrakhan up as a pillar of "integrity."

"His integrity and honesty have secured him a place in history as one of the nation's most powerful critics," he continued. "His love for Africa and African-American people has made him an unforgettable force, a catalyst for change and a religious leader who is sincere about his faith and his purpose."

Farrakhan's photo is splashed across the cover of the church magazine, which gushes "the Minister truly epitomized greatness."

On Nov. 2, 2007, Wright presented Farrakhan with a "lifetime achievement" award during a Trumpet gala held at the Hyatt Regency Chicago. The tribute included a three-and-a-half minute video lionizing "the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan."

"For his commitment to truth, education and leadership, we honor Minister Louis Farrakhan with the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Lifetime Achievement Award," the video announces.

GOD HELP US Chicago Gang

Obama's pastor disses Natalee Holloway

'White girl goes off and gives it up' in Aruba, preacher pal says

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Posted: January 27, 2008
6:49 pm Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com

Obama's pastor disses Natalee Holloway

'White girl goes off and gives it up' in Aruba, preacher pal says

Posted: January 27, 2008
6:49 pm Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com

Sen. Barack Obama's longtime friend and spiritual adviser trashed the memory of a missing and presumed dead American teenage girl, according to church publications reviewed by WND.

Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the controversial minister of Obama's church in Chicago, cited the case of Natalee Holloway's disappearance in Aruba in complaining about what he sees as the media's bias in covering white victims of crime over black victims.

"Black women are being raped daily in Darfur, Sudan, in the Congo and in Sub-Saharan Africa. That doesn't make news," Wright said in the August 2005 edition of Trumpet Magazine, a publication of his Trinity United Church of Christ.

But, "One 18-year-old white girl from Alabama gets drunk on a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and 'gives it up' while in a foreign country, and that stays in the news for months!" he added. "Maybe I am missing something!"

The circumstances involving the coed's disappearance remain unclear, and the case remains unsolved. Holloway left Mountain Brook, Ala., on a May 2005 senior class trip to Aruba.

Barack Obama

Attempts to reach her family for comment were unsuccessful. But her mother, Beth Holloway, has written a book, "Loving Natalee," in which she reveals her daughter named Jesus Christ as one of the most influential people in her life in a trove of writings she found in her bedroom.

In the same 2005 church publication, Wright suggested "white America" had the 9/11 attacks coming, while calling for business "divestment from Israel," which he refers to as a "racist" state along with America.

"In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01," he wrote on page 7. "White America and the Western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just 'disappeared,' as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring Black concerns."

Obama says he is "proud" of Wright and values their 20-year friendship.

Though Wright has nurtured Obama's political career as a close adviser and mentor, the Democrat presidential hopeful says they don't agree on everything. Wright married Obama and baptized his daughters.

Louis Farrakhan

In the November/December 2007 issue of Trumpet, Wright sang the praises of Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, who has described whites as "blue-eyed devils" and Jews as "bloodsuckers."

"He brings a perspective that is helpful and honest," Wright said. "Minister Farrakhan will be remembered as one of the 20th and 21st century giants of the African-American religious experience."

Wright then held Farrakhan up as a pillar of "integrity."

"His integrity and honesty have secured him a place in history as one of the nation's most powerful critics," he continued. "His love for Africa and African-American people has made him an unforgettable force, a catalyst for change and a religious leader who is sincere about his faith and his purpose."

Farrakhan's photo is splashed across the cover of the church magazine, which gushes "the Minister truly epitomized greatness."

On Nov. 2, 2007, Wright presented Farrakhan with a "lifetime achievement" award during a Trumpet gala held at the Hyatt Regency Chicago. The tribute included a three-and-a-half minute video lionizing "the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan."

"For his commitment to truth, education and leadership, we honor Minister Louis Farrakhan with the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Lifetime Achievement Award," the video announces.

It is interesting that Mr Obama's team and the press find the discussion about the photo offensive. i thing that this is hypocritical, simply because, if the picture was related to the Clintons in anyway, they would accept the uproar with relish. On the other hand, any criticism of Mr Obama is taken as blasphemy. Why the double standards Mr Obama? Are you ashamed to own up? How come you are above and beyond the reach of discussion of what you did, and what you do, what you think and what you say? Do you claim that all your criticisms about Ms. Clinton had only been over the policy issues? ha ha! what a joke, and what shameful hypocrisy!

Obama will take order from his Father Cult religion.
He will betray America.

Obama is Muslim first!!!

VOTE for AMERICAN PART of Obama!!!
VOTE for AMERICAN PART of Obama!!!
VOTE for AMERICAN PART of Obama!!!
VOTE for AMERICAN PART of Obama!!!

VOTE for WHITE part of Obama!!!
Vote for WHITE part of Obama

HRC 08

To prove my point, before his untimely demise, Peter Jennings was pro-Arab (and Canadian to boot), so I wouldn't have supported him running for President either. Does that help, if I take it outside of the context of "The One"?

dogsbestfriend:

You will have to clarify what group you think I belong to that makes me "less than 2% of the population" (helpful hint: I am not Jewish) and why attacking the messenger is a valid debate point? I don't believe I've ever posted in any Israeli newspapers (The Post is based in D.C., right?), nor have I ever commented on Bush and Annapolis. As for the ADL, I believe you can contact them on-line nowadays.

JakeD wrote:

"I don't know that Jews think Obama is a "secret Muslim" as much as they don't want ANY pro-Arab President elected, regardless of whether he (or she) is Muslim, Christian, or Mormon for that matter."

________________________

So feel free not to vote for him. You are less than 2% of the population and even we generously assume 3/4 of Jews are as RACIST Israel-FIRSTers like yourself, their numbers won't put a dent. However, that doesn't give you the right to come here and spew your hatred just like you do in Israeli papers every day of the week.

Yes your behavior is UN-AMERICAN. I have read posts from the likes of you in Israeli papers, where some American-Jews make it utterly clear where their allegiance lies. For instance when Bush was pushing for the Annapolis conference or asking to stop building new settlements your comments about him were no different than the hatred you spew against Obama.

So cut the crap, we all know where all this is coming from, and the rest of us view people like yourself in the same category as KKK.

Where is ADL when you need them!

I'm sorry...Obama looks like a goof. Great photo! Look forward to seeing it all across the web this week festooned with a plethora of pithy punchlines.

(And no, I won't think any more or less of the guy as a politician, so lighten up already.)

It makes me feel better about the Washington Post when Perry Bacon Jr., author of a prior "Muslim Links"-headlined article, now writes this: "Obama is a Christian who attends a United Church of Christ congregation in Chicago."

B2O2:

I know the difference, and I am not confused -- as I said, above, it is simply my hypothesis -- it is perfectly legitimate for you to ask McCain whether he will take orders from whomever had control of him in that POW camp too. Be my guest and run with that hypothesis (as it would not exclude the possibility of my hypothesis being true -- in fact, if your hypothesis were true, that might lend credence to my hypothesis -- could it be a mere coincidence that TWO United States Senators were brainwashed overseas in order to install them into high-level positions?). However, if neither were brainwashed, then there's nothing to "undo", is there?

JakeD:

"I think it is legitimate to ask Obama (or Hillary if you want) whether he will take orders from Muslims -- has no one here ever seen the original "Manchurian Candidate" movie?"

Most educated voters know the difference between Hollywood movies and real life. For those like you who get the two confused, well, I don't readily know how to help you. And are you saying that John McCain should undergo intense psychiatric evaluations to undo the brainwashing the Vietcong did to him while in captivity? Maybe that is what you are saying.

dogsbestfriend:

I don't know that Jews think Obama is a "secret Muslim" as much as they don't want ANY pro-Arab President elected, regardless of whether he (or she) is Muslim, Christian, or Mormon for that matter.

"I'm a African American college educated male ... I just don't trust Obama...I really respect and Thank Hillary for taking the time out of her busy campaign schedule in Ohio and Teaxs to attend the "State Of The Black Union Conference" ... Obama was not willing to take the time ... he's not going to address African American issues ... Africans American's need to wake up and smell the coffee before it's to late; just because Obama is black that does not mean he's going to properly address our issues ... Go Hillary"
Posted by: Lilly111

You probably should have changed your monicker before posing as an "African American college educated male", Lilly-white.

wly34:

I am not saying that Bill Clinton had anything to do with the fall of the Berlin Wall / USSR -- those were two separate questions -- I shall number / re-phrase them so as to reduce any further confusion:

1) Are you saying that all of the things between 1992-2000 that Bill Clinton presented to the world were "nothing to be proud of"?

2) Are you specifically saying that the fall of the Berlin Wall / USSR (whomever gets that credit) was "nothing to be proud of"?

Rosenberg explains where the attacks on Obama are coming from:

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/01/24/smear_campaign_against_obama_s/

hmm, we should really ask who would you rather like to see - (someone who can dress in traditional garb, acknowledging other peoples' culture and differences etc.,) while meeting important world leaders? or know-it-all BHillary ...

JakeD, sometimes I have a hard time following you. Are you saying that Bill Clinton had anything to do with the fall of the Berlin Wall. Or just what are you saying??

rose_la:

No, if John McCain paid a visit to Ireland to celebrate his roots, and was photographed in a pub having a pint, I would not call him an alcoholic, potato-eating mick secretly plotting to overthrow England -- not sure what that has to do with "honor[ing]" any particular struggle -- any more questions?

kathleenrjohnson:

If you read that entire Op Ed, you also see that Michelle Obama was criticizing BILL Clinton as well -- are you saying that "all of the things he presented to the world is nothing to be proud of" too? The Berlin Wall fell in 1989 -- was THAT anything for an American to be proud of?!

To the African/Muslim fear-mongers that have posted here, if John McCain paid a visit to Ireland to celebrate his roots, and was photographed in a pub having a pint, would you call him an alcoholic, potato-eating mick secretly plotting to overthrow England? Slap yourselves in the face a few times, and see your bigotry for what it is. Your ancestors also had to fight this kind of hatred and fear, and they did it so that you could live here in freedom; and this is how you honor that struggle? As for Clinton, I've had enough of her irresponsible, schizophrenic campaign. I don't even want her as my senator any more. She has lost my vote forever. She does not represent the kind of America I have hope for. Yes, hope! Even in the face of the ignorant hatred that so clearly still lives here in what those same people like to call God's country.

to thinker: Go on now! Tell us that you secretly admire bamabamagobama. It shows in your pithy blogs. What do you think about white knee high go-go boots with 6 inch heels.
from cowpatti

The closer we get to the primary the more mud Hillary slings hoping something will stick. She's wants a real campaign after all of her negative attacks, fake tears and staged theatrics? Hillary, don't go away mad, just go away.

me13: I couldn't understand why Michelle Obama said it was the first time she was proud of her country. Then I heard her and what has been left out of every report is the word "really" and that makes all the difference.

Here's from the New York Times Opinion page---"Fast forward to last Monday in Wisconsin. Michelle Obama, in the course of a stump speech, remarked, "For the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change."

I know exactly what she means. All of the things America has presented to the world, especially in the last 7 years, is nothing to be proud of. The fact that we are now looking for a new direction to correct those terrible actions speaks to what America is really about.

And by the way, Michelle is no refugee. Are you that confused or just devious?

Hillary Clinton's Campaign is in the death throws of last ditch efforts to derail Obama come hook-or-crook.

She's the change candidate alright. She and her campaign have changed with camillion-like swiftness. She's put on so many faces it's become a masquerade. Which is real?

Meanwhile Obama has been on point and consistent throughout from the very beginning.

"The Clinton Machine" is a clunky lemon truging down the highway, switching gears and campaign personel, while Obama's Campaign is a smooth running streamliner of efficiency.

Clinton supporters at this point are white knuckling for reasons other than believing Senator Clinton is the better candidate, when everything happening between their campaigns demostrates otherwise.

I can appreciate going down with the ship on principal rather practicality. Hope you have life jackets.

Quote: "And the Hillary supporters: you are not in the least bit concerned about the radical mood shifts this woman has displayed in the last 72 hours? Do you really want an emotionally and mentally unstability President? She scares me--I don't want her near the big red button."

And that says it in a nutshell. The woman is, at best, bi-polar.

My goodness...I have read almost every post in this list and can't believe what I am reading. First and foremost, I cannot believe some people are SILLY enough to believe the photo represents anything other than a visitor's walking a mile in another's shoes and are once more bringing up that totally bogus 'Obama is a Muslim' trash: he is a born-again Christian and no, Islam is not inherited like a genetic trait. Simply because his relatives are Muslim is no more telling then if I claim to be Methodist but my Mom was Catholic.

And the Hillary supporters: you are not in the least bit concerned about the radical mood shifts this woman has displayed in the last 72 hours? Do you really want an emotionally and mentally unstability President? She scares me--I don't want her near the big red button.

Sorry. Until the last week, I was on the fence, only leaning toward Obama. I have jumped over and run away from that fence line as fast as I can. We have no need for the kind of campaign the Clintons are running.

Quote: "dinainva you darn well know that Muslim is a 4 letter word in American..."

Really?? I didn't know that. So much for the Muslim Mosque that is in our city of less than 100,000, IN TEXAS YET.

dinainva,

What's this about Islam being your "adopted inherited religion"? Which is it?

And what would you know about Obama being upfront about his religion or the percentage of people changing names as they adopt new religions?

It strikes me as not unusual at all for a young man in his early 20s who has never espoused any religion until that point to keep his name after adopting Christianity. He would do so out of respect for his parents' choice, his and others' familiarity with him under his given name and a reluctance to invent a new name when his current one serves him quite well.

Keep pushing it, baby. You want to come off thoughtful and open-minded, but you are harping on the name thing to instill paranoia, same as Hillary and the GOP.

Come off it. You are Muslim? Like hell. You're a Clintonite.

dinainva you darn well know that Muslim is a 4 letter word in American. Obama is not hiding his Muslim heritage because he is not a Muslim.

No one wants to be associated with that religion.

Good Grief, Obama is a member of The United Church of Christ. Same as another member of congress who is one of the top senators in terms of length of service.

So he has a muslim name?? I have a royal English name, but that doesn't make me an heir to the throne of Great Britain.

Go Hillary! I am so sad that Obama might win the primary. He has little experience, a wife with a chip on her shoulder, and he preaches in the most condescending and manipulative way. What's wrong with all you followers? You Obama fans are not very perceptive. You're being duped by a smooth talker. I prefer the smart candidate. Go Hillary!

wly34:

I see nothing wrong with your hypothesis, and I hope it's true.

Ussamsarmy
I do not think I claimed I have comprehensive knowledge of Islam. It just happened to be my adopted inherited religion.
Mr Obama has never been upfront about his faith so other than his name which is Muslim Arabic name; it means beautiful and it is well respected among Muslims because as I stated earlier It is prophet Muhammad's grandson's name. Muslims and Christians live in peace in the Middle East. However names quite distinctively used to refer to one's religion. It is highly unusual for someone to have a Muslim name and keep it with the change of his religion to Christianity.
Muslims are not divided into the ones with us and the ones against us. Muslims are shia and Sunni. The majority of Muslims are Sunni. You could be Muslim and at the same time secular,moderate and /or extremist. Islam is just a religion; faith comes with each individual just like any religion. If we are looking at moderate Muslims, Indonesia majority is Sunni Muslim. We can not stereotype a country but Indonesia had its share of extremism as well as terrorism. But then again being religious does not necessarily mean terrorist/ extremist. Which No one can dare to claim Mr Obama is .He might be Muslim and a bad one too, but not an extremist. Osama ben laden and Sadaam Husein are both Sunni just because one did not like the other that did not mean they shared different faith. Back again to our point adopting a certain religion is not a crime, hiding it to appeal to the public is hypocritical and makes you wonder how far that person is willing to go to get where he wants? . We all should be proud of who we are and what we believe.

Quote: "I also watched a woman in Texas who said that Hillary would give them health care, better jobs, education and more money. I feel sorry for her.

Most of us in Texas know better. I can't understand all this about health care that these nuts in Texas harp on. In my county, you cannot be refused treatment in the county hospital (one of the top 100 in the country). And all they have to do is go to the local facility for the un-insured or lower incomes, to get the SAME treatment as someone who pays for it. We'll even send FREE transportation to deliver you there and take you home!!

Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. My last two posts will close out this episode of "Mocking the Hillary Commenters." Join us again next article as Thinker, mul and svreader ask the musical question, "WHY DOES THE STUPID PEOPLES LOVE OBAMA SO &*#! MUCH AND HATESES OUR PRECIOUS?!?!"

Nonsense. This is purely nonsense. Hillary Clinton has hit an all time low. This is an insult to all Americans of every ethnicity.

There is nothing wrong with the picture. Senator Obama is showing respect for the tradition of the area he is visiting. The problem is with the Clinton campaign insinuating that there is a problem with it. This is negative campaigning at its worst. It is racial, religious and ethnic bigotry toward the people of that region of the world on an insidious level.

The American people are bigger than this. We are not stupid or easily fooled. I am a middle aged, professional woman. Hillary you have let me down. Do not vote for Senator Clinton.

Enough Hillary. You can't really sink much lower.

pkmc83a,
Inferences aren't evidence. An infinitude of inferences doesn't equal a single fact. By relying on inferences, your theory is twice removed from the reality you would define. This is not to discourage you, but rather to invite you to remake your point from the ground up.

The evidence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkdeYffHb5o

Before we follow Sen. Clinton too far down teh path of personal destruction (self-destruction, in her case), or get sidetracked by the bait-n-switch arguments of the Obama bashers, or respond to another "who? lil ol' me?" question about the source of the negative attacks on Obama, let's all settle down and remember one indisputable (Settled down yet?) fact:

Hillary eats children.

And don't try to deny it, Clinton-GOP conspirators! If you can't stand the heat, get Hillary out of the kitchen!

For God's sake! The CHILDREN!!!

indlouis: I haven't followed NAFTA issues but I did watch Hillary say that she didn't think there would be fines for people who didn't sign up for her health care, but that they would probably garnish wages. Now what?

I also watched a woman in Texas who said that Hillary would give them health care, better jobs, education and more money. I feel sorry for her.

And Thinker, you, ImpeachNOW and the other assorted morons here who try to deny that the Clinton campaign released this to Drudge-- if this were the case, then why has the Clinton campaign on 3 DIFFERENT OCCASIONS refused to make a denial? Obviously they know that if they did try to deny it, that Drudge would just go and pull out the original Email. IOW, they sent it. See? Logical skills accrued to most people from the 3rd grade, easy.

You're such an idiot I'm not sure that the turpentine would be good enough for you. Maybe a full-fledged lobotomy really is the only thing to rescue you in your pathetic case.

Hey Thinker-- you are an insult to Rodin and his statue by taking on such a moniker. That you would defend the Hillary Clinton campaign after they'd deigned to use such revolting tactics, shows just how truly brain-anesthetized too many Hillary backers are.

The funny thing is, most of us here aren't Obama backers per se, we're wait and see folks. But we despise BS, and when crap like this comes out and the Hillary campaign again digs a hole for itself, all of you supporters dig it even deeper by insulting our intelligence.

We all know what the Clinton campaign is trying to do here, no psychological degree needed to figure it out. What makes this even more reprehensible is that Obama was donning such attire as a goodwill gesture to the Kenyans and the Somali minority there, as a way to show and earn respect. It's exactly what a professional leader in a foreign nation, acting diplomatically, should do.

You and j87vst might as well just go and sniff some turpentine to lobotomize yourselves, since you're already 3/4 of the way there. You'll contribute a lot more to society like that.

Thinker, do you really believe Obama's comment you mention about "knocking out" Clinton was meant in any way to support violence against women? That's quite a remarkable stretch, and I think even you know how far you're reaching and that it just isn't true.

Help me out here... isn't it Hillary who consistently uses the "fight" analogies in here speech. Is she advocating some sort of violence by holding up that pair of boxing gloves in Wisconsin?

Maybe instead of making these kinds of arguments, you can ask something relevant, like how he has treated his wife and if there's ever been any claim of abuse (not to my or anyone's knowledge). I think if you want to accuse someone of something like that, you would do well to actually ask the question, not make baseless and, quite frankly, slanderous accusations.

Looneybin2000 I have two words for you: Michelle Obama.

Note to Thinker on being bought:

If Obama got a $1.6 million advance on his book, the amount donated by Rezko under Illinois campaign contribution limits would not buy much influence.

I would guess you are still paid by the piece rate under government rules applying to the developmentally disabled.

That about cover it, Tinky?

Thinker:

"Obamabambi"?

Don't agree with you, but looks like you finally thought about something before you typed it.

Now if you could just Think about something beyond coming up with cute names.

Quote: "Advice to Obama: To win the South, you'll need less turban and more bourbon."

Really, he has already won the primaties in Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina and Virginia. Where do you think they are, in the northeast??

Advice to Obama: To win the South, you'll need less turban and more bourbon.

Advice to Obama: To win the South, you'll need less turban and more bourbon.

Quote: "As I said, wly34, it is simply a hypothesis."

Try this for a hypothesis. Clinton is roundly defeated in both Texas and Ohio. But instead of dropping out, she goes on to the convention hoping that her super delegates win the nomination for her. Thereby ruining her party for years to come, placing it in the position that it is now in in Texas. Used to be, you couldn't find a Republican in the State, now almost everyone is one. All done by the Democrats and to themselves. Yep, nothing but the facts.

It was Tom Clancy's "Executive Orders" book (not sure if there was a movie of that one), where one of the President's bodyguards is an Iranian-American sleeper agent named Jeff Rahman who indeed tries to assassinate the President.

Tinsely1978.... your being in the military doesn't give you the right to tell everyone else how we should be patriotic. I was a DOD employee with the Marine Corps my first year out of college and my brother serves with honor as a LT. in the naval construction engineers corps. I love my country and our military, but that does not mean we are always right. What I was upset about was your use of the ridiculous phrase, "blame america first crowd" as if there is some roaming group of people chanting it's your fault america. I stand by what I said previously. Place the blame where it belongs, this war was a mistake. It has cost us billions of dollars and made us less safe than we were before it began. Bush should be imprisoned for starting this war, on faulty information and greed. His friends made billions off the deaths of 4000 service men and women, not to mention the Iraqi civillian death toll.

Oh yeah and to try and use your military experience as justification for arguments is stupid, it's why I didn't start off telling everyone that my family has ties to the military, because those facts are irrelevant, I don't question other's patriotism if they don't share my views, that's somehting people like YOU do and it's sad and pathetic.

There's another movie (or book -- I can't remember the name or author) where a sleeper agent becomes a Secret Service agent finally assigned to protect the President. I am including that in my hypothesis as well.

As I said, wly34, it is simply a hypothesis.

Quote: "Did you ever see the original "Manchurian Candidate"?"

Uh yeah, and am I going to base my vote on a movie?? I don't think so.

Get a life and stop living in a movie world.

The only thing we seem to know about Obama is what he's written about himself in his TWO autobiographies. Isn't that handy? A convenient truth or un-truth - who's to say? This man is sly. He got an advance on the first book to buy the 1.6 million dollar house from the criminal in Illinois who bankrolled all of his political life there. He says he worked for the guy for 5 hours. Well - very well paid.

He's calculated and has kept himself well hidden. High aboard his follow me float, givinng speeches, channelinng famous dead people and pretending he is them - he couldn't hold a candle to them. But he says so. And he preaches this to kids who suck it up. And he preaches this to black people who are supposed to vote for me, because he looks like them. And he's white in Kansas... but, Toto, we're non in Kansas anymore - now we're in Michigan so we're black again. And now we're in Texas so we will speak perfect english and shed our inner city voice.

Where are you today? He speaks at least twelve languages. He can be you, too.

Watch out. The Republicans are going to peel away his smiley face and that terrible long frowney face we've seen him wear is going to be frozen there forever in it's place. Deer in the headlights. Obamabambi.

Quote Thinker: "I'm a guy...."

Really?? You could have fooled me, with all your talk about what shoes would go with the dress in the photo, etc. Hmmmmm?

Last I checked, Muslim followers of Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab would be the best guess, but there could be other sects too -- of course, I think the hypothesis would be quite a stretch if his mother was completely unaware -- either he was brainwashed (starting in Indonesia) to go into politics as he has and/or assassinate politician(s). Did you ever see the original "Manchurian Candidate"?

thinker--

have you ever heard of an analogy?

No, you are missing my point, but I'll even take it one step further...I'll even work with your hypothetical assumption that Obama was "brainwashed" by "muslims". Obviously, several questions should be answered. Since this is your "hypothesis" anyways, you should be able to answer them:

WHICH "muslims" brainwashed Obama?
WHAT is their agenda?
WHEN did they "brainwash" Obama and to what end (in other words, why "brainwash" Obama..was he trained to attempt to be president")
WHERE did the brainwashing take place?
WHAT role did Obama's mother play in the "brainwashing" (after all, Obama's father left when he was 2)

P.P.S. (as I stated above) my concern is not whether Obama is, or is not, Muslim -- the Constitution prohibits a religious test for public office in any event -- the same concern exists for McCain being brainwashed during his time in that Vietnam POW camp.

svreader - Absolutely right! Ditto. He is never called on any of his smirky games. Women in American can be beaten, slammed, slandered and worse and the crowd just walks right by. Obama is black so it's ooooh hands off. Well, let's talk about his white half then. He's banking on that kid gloves crap. The Republicans will peel away his happy face and expose him with no second thoughts. Now - what will it be, flats or pumps with that outfit?

sv wrote:

Obama's comment about "knocking out" Senator Clnton speaks volumes about his total deafness regarding violence towards women in this country.

Any woman who votes for Obama after he made that remark would have to be a total idiot or full of self-hatred.

Obama has no respect for women.

I'm a guy, and I would never, never, vote for a man who invokes the image of a man hitting a woman as a postive thing, no matter who she is!!!

P.S. to answer your other questions, we do indeed have Muslim allies in Iraq, Turkey, even Indonesia -- we are liberating them across the globe -- those Muslims who are our allies are not the ones I'm worried about ; )

ussamsarmy:

I am NOT assuming that Obama is Muslim -- in fact, if my hypothesis is true, it is actually BETTER for him to think he is a Christian himself -- the reason why a similar picture of Hillary Clinton (or even George W. Bush) would not be relevant is because neither of them have been in any compromising position whereby they could have been brainwashed by Muslims. See the difference?

Quote: "I hope the people of Ohio and Texas see this for what it is. A FAKE candidate trying anything she can including the destruction of the likely nominee and the splitting of the party...anything to get elected."

Oh, we've seen it all right.
And we recognize it for what it is!

Hillary and Maggie must be thinking that the American people are really stupid!

And one more thing, does she really want to invest more in education?

Hillary ,again is practicing in gutter
politics. I have been a Democrat for over 50 years, and if she wins the nomination this will be the first time in my life that I sit out an election.
Her so called 35 years experience.
6 years on the board of walmart where she sat with her mouth closed as the board trashed the unions and agreed with not giving workers benefits. First lady of Arkansas where she got involved with shady
land deals and spending her time trashing
Jenifer Flowers and Paula Jones because Bill had the morals of a snake.
Then there was the white house, she spent her time trying to bury Monica and Bill's lying to the American people. " I never had sex with that women! "
I would be more then happy to vote for a women, but not this one!

rippermccord:

Thanks for the good work here.
just hope the voters in Ohio and Texas think along the same lines.

There will be problems at the Dem. convention (and maybe after) if Senator Clinton doesn't get over herself soon.

Midwestreader1 wrote:

"It is a photograph from The Associated Press!
Why is the Clinton campaign being blamed for circulating this?
Is this what Barack was talking about when he mentioned "silly season" in politics in the debate.

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Nonsense. More of the same again from the Clinton camp.

The origin and relevance of the photo should be of concern to any Democrat who would not use race or religion or patriotism as a wedge in our society. If that's acceptable to you, you don't really know what the Democratic Party has traditionally stood for or what its ideology is all about.

The origin is indisputably from the Clinton campaign, according to the Drudge Report. And why do I believe Drudge? Because he was right about the Lewinsky scandal and because it fits the pattern of the Clinton machine in this campaign. The same machine which has been caught using push-polling in Iowa, the campaign that ABC News reported Friday has been circulating claims that Obama hobnobbed with former members of a radical domestic terrorist group (while conveniently leaving out that Bill pardoned dozens of violent radicals, including one of the same group the Clinton campaign tries to link Obama to). The same Clinton machine that gave up delegates in Michigan and Florida only to vow they would be seated. The same campaign that has circulated mailers falsely accusing Obama of praising GOP economic policies and wanting to decrease Social Security benefits. The same Clinton machine that speaks of being honored to be onstage with Obama, then accuses him of Rove tactics while emailing stories and photos to bolster what Hillary said today about Obama not being able to provide for national security.

And why wouldn't he, Hillary? Because you want to paint him as a sleeper agent bound for the heart of our democracy?

What garbage. What vile excrement! This is the Hillary Clinton we know: the purveyor of filth and innuendo.

It's why the backlash has started. It's why the Clintons will be noted for their obscene politics. And it's why Hillary will spend the next eight years in obscurity, remembering this season as the one in which she elevated Obama to the presidency.

JakeD:

Lets assume Obama is a muslim? So what? Don't we have muslim allies in iraq? Aren't those the people we are liberating?

David2007:

If neither photo is relevant to any campaign, why are we seeing the Obama photo and not the Clinton photo? We would never have even known that Clintons and GW Bush were dressed in a similar manner, until you pointed it out. So why is the picture that is being circulated focusing ONLY on Obama and not the other three, if it is so irrelevant? Why is it being circulated AT ALL? Why is Fox News showing ONLY the Obama picture and NOT the Bush picture?

I see that there's been an UPDATE to the main article pointing out that Hillary's campaign "has stayed away from highlighting Obama's unusual biography before, even dumping volunteers who forwarded virally circulating e-mails falsely alleging that he is a Muslim."

"Falsely"? Are we sure about that? Only God knows for certain -- but that is besides the point -- non-Muslims can still be brainwashed in maddrasas, right?

An example of the stupidity of the Clinton campaign. From his own mouth, and they wonder why Hillary is on the downhill run.

"Bill Clinton's statement in Beaumont, Texas:

If we lose in Ohio or Texas, it's probably over."

Now that's a true but stupid remark. Hillary, better get rid of Bill before he really hurts your chances.

dyinglikeflies wrote:

Obama's speeches are the place where ideas go to die. His rhetoricical flourishes are, by design, unspecific, and his campaign is based on empty slogan-mongering. If you want to know what he supposedly "believes" you are referred by his supporters to his website, which was written by others. Americans are currently full of self-loathing as a hangover from the hypocritical use of "patriotism" and fear by Bush. We are instead being asked by Obama to take a vacation from reality and from ourselves and to look for "change"- nothing specific, because any change will do for us self-loathing Americans. And so we are willing to cast aside a qualified candidate like Clinton, who can actually BE a good President, rather than just give speeches like one.

Four questions for you, dyinglikeflies:
What is your definition of leadership?

Does the president have any responsiblity to engage the electorate? What is the most effective method of doing so?

If Hillary could not get her healthcare passed once before, what makes you think it will be different this time around?

I'm relieved that the candidates and the media are spending time on important issues like the candidates' clothes and whether they wear American flag lapel pins, and don't bother us with frivolous nonsense like the Iraq war, the economy, and the increasing lack of health care. Keep up the good work.

Tlasley1978 -- one other thing. More than the experience that you can get in Washington and what it can make you into (saying that as someone who reports on Congress), I think it counts perhaps much more to see who a person really is, and what's in his or her heart. Remember that some of the finest U.S. presidents didn't have much so-called 'experience' in the workings of the Washington machinery... perhaps for good reason.

To: ussamsarmy | February 25, 2008 04:19 PM
Regarding your post:
"Well, why don't we see those pictures of Clinton, Bush and Bush Sr. in african dress? Why is it relevant to Obama's campaign, but not Clinton's?"
http://www.drudgereport.com/flashoa.htm

I'm not sure what you are referring to in your post?

Do you mean that perhaps we should see a photo of Hillary Clinton in African dress, in order to offset the photo of Obama in Somali African dress?

Regarding relevance? I think that neither photo is relevant to either campaign. But if they are not relevant, then why are Obama's people complaining so much?

You would think that he would be proud to have such a photo displayed, rather than complain that Hillary Clinton's people are trying to undercut him and playing negative and dirty politics.

Again, me thinks they do protest too much.

Tlasley1978, I wish everyone out there would check on what people have done and how they have lived their lives. So if you are doing that, I think that's a very good thing.

And no, I don't think the name-calling back and forth does much good at all. What happens, unfortunately, is that when people get mad about something, the temptation is to become exactly what it is they are accusing others of and act out of hate or meanness.

"the majority of us who will be voting for him in November will no doubt have a word of advice for all of you in 2009: if you dont like the president and his policies, hit the road and find another country to park yourselves in. The shoe is on the other foot now, folks, and something tells me, those of you who have been kicking the antiwar people in the pants with it for almost a decade are not gonna like the same feeling when that boot is slamming against your own butts."

This is great, I think it should be on the Obama for President website!

Peace, love, and Obama 2008, y'all.

aarongmarsh, You can not seem to make it through a sentence without adding a profanity but you ask people to grow up. Get real young man!!
That's not a dress, folks. I know you've lived your whole life in a three-block radius, but work with me here and repeat after me: "That's not a dress. I will give it my best shot to grow the f*&% up."

Maggie Williams is a prime example of the kind of shifty, lying worm that would serve in a second Clinton administration. It's ironic that they think the way to beat Obama is to use the same kind of negative nationalistic knee-jerk propaganda that Fox News and the Bush administration have used against Democrats since 9/11. It's because the Clintons and their advisors are no different than the Bush people and their advisors. Anyone who thinks Janet Reno was in any way a "better" or more honest attorney general than Ashcroft or Gonzales is deluding themselves.

The 90s are extremely overrated, and so are the Clintons. Waco proved that Democrats will use fascist tactics just the same as Republicans will, and the Dems blind justifications for the Waco murders in the 90s showed that, just like Republicans, they were more than willing to put blind partisan loyalty over the truth. Maybe the truly unprecedented support for Obama is a sign that people on both sides (and independents like myself especially) are sick of this lock on the white house by two shady families who are willing to do literally anything to keep their arrogant power over this country.

Hillary is just proving with her last gasping desperation moves in this campaign exactly what her detractors (including me) have been saying all along: a vote for her is a vote for continuing the evil tactics of the Bush administration. Democrats realized it just in time and switched to a proper candidate (though I personally would have preferred Richardson). Republicans are making fools of themselves by literally choosing THE worst choice they had, and with the latest revelations of McCainiac's letters to the FCC in the 90s on behalf of a supporter and possible mistress, they are realizing it now, all too late. (I wont be at all surprised if at some point, McCain is "convinced" to step down from the nomination, and it ends up going to Romney or Huckabee instead. It's their only possible even remote chance to win in November, their chances with McCain are less than zero.)

To the racists and the gung ho nationalist swine in BOTH parties who are offended that Obama will probably be our next president (and deservedly so), the majority of us who will be voting for him in November will no doubt have a word of advice for all of you in 2009: if you dont like the president and his policies, hit the road and find another country to park yourselves in. The shoe is on the other foot now, folks, and something tells me, those of you who have been kicking the antiwar people in the pants with it for almost a decade are not gonna like the same feeling when that boot is slamming against your own butts. Obama scares you because like all bullies, when one takes away your bluster and your empty threats, what remains is a terrified individual who mirrors their self-loathing out to the world in a desperate attempt to justify their own pathetic existence to themselves. I dont need a set of Tarot cards to predict that you all will be getting a major dose of reality soon, and (with a nod to the great Eugene O'Neill) it wont take Hickey to shatter your pipe dreams. The O-man cometh.

OBAMA / RICHARDSON in 2008

BECAUSE THEY ARE THERE

Quote: "The sad thing is that Senator Clinton clearly does not recognize the damage that this style of campaigning will do to the Democratic Party, or to her reputation in the party."

She recognizes it all right. She just doesn't care. Anything to be elected.

Why oh why do we have people making jokes about wearing heels and pumps and such? Are we really that uneducated that we have to call Somali garb -- let's throw in Scottish kilts, too, while we're senselessly bashing other cultures -- are feminine or something?

That's not a dress, folks. I know you've lived your whole life in a three-block radius, but work with me here and repeat after me: "That's not a dress. I will give it my best shot to grow the f*&% up."

David2007

Well, why don't we see those pictures of Clinton, Bush and Bush Sr. in african dress? Why is it relevant to Obama's campaign, but not Clinton's?

Aeldus wrote:
"I don't agree with Mrs. Clinton tactics but this is the type of attacks that Obama will be facing sooner or later if he wants to be President. No one said life was fair.. and in politics NOTHING is fair."

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I just don't understand why HRC is being blamed for photograph taken by THE ASSOCIATED PRESS. The Druge report story is also oddly ambiguous, saying "staffers" "circulated" the picture--so is it that one campaign volunteer handed it or e-mailed it to another volunteer?

These sorts of news stories are really strange. I wish there was more investigative reporting (rather than summaries of internet reports followed by campaign responses) on major newspaper sites.

Here is what you get when you attempt to investigate, instead of jump blindly on a bandwagon of hate:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1975275/posts?q=1&;page=86#86

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/02/obama-needs-to-bury-this-muslim-photo.html

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obama-wore-muslim-gear-during-kenya-trip

Yeah, a poster at Free Republic posted a page from some "The Examiner" with the photo. This got picked up by other bloggers.

I can imagine someone in Clinton's campaign ran across this and forwarded to someone else, complaining about media bias. Drudge claims a Clinton staffer remarked that were Hillary in such a photo dressed like that, she would be criticized in the media, yet Obama was not. This may or may not be a valid criticism of media bias. But Obama's side really jumped on it and distorted it, even rewording Drudge to claim the Clinton team released the photo to Drudge (as in, "hey Drudge, did you know Obama once dressed in this Muslim-looking outfit? Hint hint"). The Obama camp is making claims that Drudge hasn't.

Now, if you wish to claim that the Clinton team was behind the original post at Free Republic, that's your call. And if you think the only anti-Obama people are Hillary supporters, and they post as Freepers, I have a bridge to sell you. Or maybe I could sell you a presidential candidate.

pkmc83a - I think he is from Snowy River.

Pure Comedy for all these keyboard intellectuals....these blogs should have video feeds as well, so we can see how many of you are actuall sitting in your basements with aluminum foli hats on.

so a demo.rat sends this photo to a right wing blog ro fire up the crazies...oh america your fraudulence never ceases to amaze me...if nothing else, the 'real americans' are united
and you wonder why the man's wife said this is the first time she's been proud of her g*d forsaken country of refuge

Umm Irishlass527, you wrote:

"How sympathetic will he be to the middle east? Remember the prophecy? The muslims will attack from the inner core of our government and take it down from the inside out! Why invite the devil in???"

What "prophecy" would that be? I think maybe you've been reading some pretty nutty stuff. No offense, but people who walk around citing "prophesies" are exactly what I'm afraid of.

It is very funny to see tensions so high over a photo. The left has never liked the Clintons because they made decisions that were in the best interest of the United States and not the left coast. Why do you folks that support obama get so defensive and call folks that don't support obama such terrible names just because they do not share your opinion. At the same time you have no problem calling those politians you do not support every name in the book! Name calling seems to be the adult attribute on this forum. I thought that obama's supporters were college educated. Anyone reading this forum would think otherwise!

dinainva-- what type of Muslim is Obama? Is he the type of Muslim we are "liberating" in Iraq (i.e. on our side) or is he the type of Muslim that is trying to kill us? You brought up his middle name "Hussein" and asked if it sounded familiar. I assume you are referring to Sadaam Hussein. Was he a practicing muslim? Didn't Osama bin Laden hate Sadaam because he was "too secular"? How common is the name Hussein among Muslims? Obama was clearly named after his father. Didn't his father leave when obama was 2? Are we to assume that his midwestern mother schooled him in the ways of Islam?

Since you have such a comprehensive knowledge about Islam, can you answer a few more questions for me? What types of muslims are in indonesia? How about muslims in africa? Which African countries have the highest concentration of Muslims?

To poster:
wdsoulplane | February 25, 2008 03:59 PM

"Senator Obama has sponsored or co-sponsored 570 bills in the 109th and 110th Congress."

I'm impressed by Obama's record of being involved with 570 bills during the 109 and 110 Congress.

This works out to 285 bills/year = 23.75 bills/month = 5.48 bills/week = 1.1 bill/day.

Wow! He must be a Superman to have been involved with a little over ONE bill/day for 2 straight years!

How did he do it?

Or is it all smoke and mirrors?

To poster:
wdsoulplane | February 25, 2008 03:59 PM

"Senator Obama has sponsored or co-sponsored 570 bills in the 109th and 110th Congress."

I'm impressed by Obama's record of being involved with 570 bills during the 109 and 110 Congress.

This works out to 285 bills/year = 23.75 bills/month = 5.48 bills/week = 1.1 bill/day.

Wow! He must be a Superman to have been involved with a little over ONE bill/day for 3 straight years!

How did he do it?

Or is it all smoke and mirrors?

Quote: "So Obama's supporters are delusional cultists? The statistics tell a different story. According to exit polls from the last 10 primaries and caucuses, Obama's supporters tend to be better educated, more affluent, and cover all ethnic groups, ages, and both genders. Clinton's supporters tend to be concentrated in gender/age-associated older females and the less educated and less affluent. Quite a consituency contrast and the very reason the Clinton consistently loses in the hypothetical general election matchups."

That just about says it all.

speaking of the manchurian candidate, doesn't hillary resemble the mother in both movies?

Of course, if Team Hillary really wanted to show something that is curious, odd and unique -- they could publish a picture of their own "pantsuit princess" in a dress! (That is, presuming she owns one.)

Quote: "Just a thought, Let's see what happens on Saturday Night Live this week. Let's see Hillary point out another obvious thing and have the media shout her down this time..."

Saturday Night Live?? Another reason to vote for Obama.

So why are the Obama people all worked up over a picture of him in African garb. Afterall, his father is from Kenya!! The Obama people take this as some sort of slam, but as the article says, Clinton has worn traditional garb when traveling, and it has been of someone else's tradition. I think the picture speaks well of Obama.

But what does not speak well of him is an article that appeared in today's Asia Times. The article is not about his father, his father's race or his father's religion. That is all bogus Rovian crap that has nothing to do with who Barak Obama is at all. His father left him when he was quite young.

No, Obama was shaped more as a person by his mother, as all children are, particularly male children who are raised by a single parent, namely the mother. To learn about who Barak Obama is, you have to know who his mother was. She has since passed.

His mother was an anthropologist, that is, a scientist who investigates other cultures. She was quite obviously taken in by Kenyans, married into the family and thus satisfied her intellectual curiosity studying east Africans. It is usually a rather detatched sort of study where individuals from the culture are considered a specimens to which various objective tests are given in order to obtain responses and then to learn about the culture from those responses to various stimuli.

In the Asian Times story, located at:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JB26Aa01.html

the theory is put forth that Obama is approaching his campaign as his mother the anthropologist would. You will notice that as he makes his emotional appeals and whips up the crowds, he remains very much emotionally detached from the people that he has affected, much as an anthopologist would in studying specimens under observation.

There are several other cogent points made.

Obama is out to change America, no doubt. He is very forthright about this. In the last debate, he gave a clue about how he intended to change it. He said that part of the problem with America is that we think we are better than other countries and that its some sort of a privilege for another head of state to meet the US President. He would end that by having the US Presidency placed on par with other heads of state.

This is part from his mother. She did not like US culture or society and rebelled against it. Twice. Obama's wife has said that this is the first time she has been proud about America, the way it is voting for Obama. Another sign of the changes to come.

Obama wants to take America off of its traditional place in the world, a place from which his experience tells him the US has bullied the world, forced other countries to adapt to US culture and interests. It is very much a Third World perception of the US that Obama brings because that is the perception to which his mother became endeared through her anthropological studies. He is taking her scientific method and employing it in his campaign to play on the latent fears or wishes of the American people for something better as we go through all of the changes which present themselves in the current environment.

I don't think that the change that Obama intends is the same change that the throngs seem to have entrusted him to deliver.

All of the other, the Muslim religion; his race; his past cocaine use; even this crap about Larry Sinclair, is all smoke. Its all diversionary. Its all bunk that is being put out there for the purpose of being debunked by Obama thus enhancing his credibility.

Obama-mania. Its what the news people call it and it has swept the nation. Hillary will be swept away by it very soon. What is it? Its an emotional reaction. Is it an emotional reaction that could have been predicted, that was predicted? When people make rational decisions based on emotion and are encouraged to do so, its for a reason. The reason is that whoever is encouraging this does not want people to use their thinking mind and so it is clouded with emotion.

Scoff if you like, but this is not the first time that we have had a political leader appealing to the emotions of the people in an effort to overcome their rational thinking minds which informs them otherwise. Is it??

In 2004 did not Bush use the emotion of fear to overcome the otherwise rational thinking minds of the voters? Every time he gets cornered, he brings out the boogie man, causes people to become afraid and like that political support is ginned up.

If the emotion of fear can move people to act, why not the emotion of hope?? However, as with fear, emotions cloud the mind so that you act on emotion rather than logic. Just now, Americans are fearful and would respond to a hopeful message and Obama has tied right into that and is riding the wave pretty high.

In this he has shown great political skills. But before we all get out our surfboards and participate in the "no-brainer" of Obamania, take a sober minute to look at where this man comes from and where he wants to take the country once he gets his emotional hooks into the public consciousness.

Read the story and then make your own mind up about just what the agenda is of this little known man from Illinois, or is it Kansas or Hawaii, or Kenya, or Indonesia??

To poster:
wdsoulplane | February 25, 2008 03:59 PM

I'm impressed by Obama's record of being involved with 570 bills during in 3 years in the U.S. Senate. This works