The Trail: A Daily Diary of Campaign 2008

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I can't believe what I see: OBAMA getting more support and votes? He is so new to it all, I am not ready to vote for someone with NO EXPERIENCE. No matter how much charisma a candidate has, experience and knowledge are more important.

Are people so naive and so easily led by rhetoric with NO SUBSTANCE ? There's no substitute for experience. People who blindly ROOT for Mr. Obama have not THOUGHT THIS OUT.

I am, at best, a bit ambivalent towards SENATOR CLINTON but she has my vote. She has leadership qualities but MOST OF ALL: EXPERIENCE!

SENATOR OBAMA would be like having a president who would not know what to do in a crisis and it SCARES ME to death!

YOU MIGHT BE AN IDIOT:-)

If you think Barack Obama with little or no experience would be better than Hillary Clinton with 35 years experience.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience can fix an economy on the verge of collapse better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) led the greatest economic expansion, and prosperity in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience fighting for universal health care can get it for you better than Hillary Clinton. Who anticipated this current health care crisis back in 1993, and fought a pitched battle against overwhelming odds to get universal health care for all the American people.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience can manage, and get us out of two wars better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) went to war only when he was convinced that he absolutely had to. Then completed the mission in record time against a nuclear power. AND DID NOT LOSE THE LIFE OF A SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER. NOT ONE!

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience saving the environment is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) left office with the greatest amount of environmental cleanup, and protections in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with little or no education experience is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) made higher education affordable for every American. And created higher job demand and starting salary's than they had ever been before or since.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience will be better than Hillary Clinton who spent 8 years at the right hand of President Bill Clinton. Who is already on record as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that you can change the way Washington works with pretty speeches from Obama, rather than with the experience, and political expertise of two master politicians ON YOUR SIDE like Hillary and Bill Clinton..

Best regards

jacksmith...

gbooksdc:

I posted just a couple such scenarios the other day in a previous thread. If I can find those, I will post them here.

Marnie42:

I would never vote for Hillary in a million years, but you are wrong about the Weathermen Group. Have you not heard of Obama's link to them?

The Clinton campaign has taken over the comment section! Too bad that Hillary would be just a rerun of Bush...she hires her cronies, spends money like a drunken sailor, divides the Democrats and hides her records. America is weary of Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton. Do you think Obama would have been endorsed by the Kennedy's, Biden and everyone else if had any links to terrorists? Obama is the one who can beat McCain. Hillary cannot.

sort = short

(McCain could even win California ; )

Posted by: JakeD | February 26, 2008 08:30 PM
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Under what scenario? Dems (under Kerry, in my view a pretty bad candidate) beat GOP by 1.2 MM in 04. Obama is increasing Dem turnout, turnout for McCain has been ordinary. I'd really like to hear a rational scenario.

The way I see it, Ohio will definitely flip for Dem in 08, TX is a possibility. FLA goes DEM if Graham is on the ticket. Those three states alone equal a comfortable Dem win.

All I can tell you is that the Republicans I know (no names will be revealed) are pissed as hell that Romney is out and Obama is winning: they want Hillary desperately.

They are a bit politically terrified of Obama because he seems untouchable and most disturbing, an unknown quantity. They say that at least they know the Clintons and know how to deal wuth them.

They also fear that if Barack HUSSEIN Obama is as good as his campaign, it could be Democratic WH and Congress for quite a while.

They alternate between depression and a curious furious anxiety.

I have to admit that I feel bad feeling so glad when I hear them talk. Feels like a paradigmatic
shift is about to happen.

And that doesn't even begin to describe how the lobbyists are feeling. Kinda like passengers on the Titanic hoping that Barack is not the iceberg they are fearing. Lots of denial=based acting out. Money, food etc just flowing.

Kinds weird.

"What Fools We Mortals Be". LOONYBIN2000, your posting name is certainly appropriate...

svreader writes: "Not true. Prior use of "hard drugs" is a garenteed show stopper.
I'll see if I can find you some links..."

svreader, I recommend you first find some dictionary or spelling links, then spend the rest of eternity finding some links which do not exist. Taking drugs in the past does not bar one from running for president. Bill Clinton admitted smoking marijuana, as did Kerry.. and Bush was a lush and coke head, which is proven whether he admits it or not.

mrgolie --

That's why Bush never admitted it.

Obama did admit it, and by doing so, has made himself ineligible, by law, for high-level security clearances.

He can't be President without one.
This is big news.

I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this but he's going to have to drop out of the race.

Posted by: svreader | February 26, 2008 05:16 PM
____________________________________________

Not that facts ever stopped you, Bob, but Bush always qualified his responses with "in the last seven years".

Live Debate Thread: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/democratic_debate_feb_26_2008.html

sort = short

(McCain could even win California ; )

to peterwoo:
Your posting is the most jumbled, unintelligable, uninformed piece of mumbo-jumbo I have ever read. The United States do not pay social security benefits to citizens of foreign countries. No president has the authority to do so. Obama is a native born US citizen. He is running for the presidency of the United States. How would it be possible as president of this country to join the African Union, which is comprised of nations on an entirely different continent in a different part of the world. You should not post to this forum if you are as completely ignorant of the American system of government as you seem. It is people like you who are grossly lacking in even a modicum of intelligence which distracts from truly relevant political opinion. Whew!

There are plenty of ways for John SIDNEY McCain to beat Barack HUSSEIN Obama (sort of another Diebold ; )

Oh, and Bob: doesn't matter whether you vote GOP or not. Doesn't matter whether you give the max to McCain or not. CA is going DEM. Deal with it. So is DC and MD. VA is a tossup. CA's not.

The election will go one of two ways: (a) the usual split, with maybe ten battleground states or (b) a Dem landslide (i.e., 2006 all over again), if Repubs stay dispirited and the public is still mad as a wet hen over Iraq, because McCain is politically on the wrong side of the issue. Either way, CA goes Dem.

The Repubs have played virtually every tactical card in the deck: playing to fear, demonizing Dems. In 2004, they were down to a really imaginative voter mobilization campaign. That's Obama's strength: not surprisingly, as he's a product of Chicago politics.

So as I see it, the Repubs got nothin. Their only play is a Hillary nomination: that's not going to happen. Their nominee's old as dirt, he's on the wrong side of Iraq, and people are tired of Bush. Still. The stars are simply aligned for Obama. So If God's a Democrat, like you say, he's not giving to the DLC.

These right-wing nut jobs really ARE nuts!!!

From NBC's Ben Weltman
No hurt feelings? Well, actually conservative radio host Bill Cunningham has got some. After ranting and raving during his introduction for McCain in Cincinnati, "Willie" booked it out of there to host his three hour radio show. As previously noted by First Read McCain apologized for Cunningham's comments and took full responsibility for allowing him to appear at his event.

During the second hour of his show, "Willie" became Wild Bill when he attacked McCain for apologizing.

"He just threw me under the bus for the national media. I have had it," Cunningham blasted. "With McCain and -- I'm going to endorse Hillary Clinton. I want Hillary Clinton to become the next president of the United States. I am going to throw my support behind Hillary Clinton."

Overall breakdown: Cunningham attacked Obama. McCain apologized for the attack. Cunningham endorsed Clinton instead of McCain. And Huckabee, who one would figure would receive Cunningham's endorsement after today, was left out.

I hope that NEITHER win the delegate count for nomination prior to Puerto Rico . . .

Dodd gave me a gentle nod.... toward the Repulican party.

What I really want to know is when is Tiger Woods going to shave off that frightening goatee.

wpost4112:

The best case scenario would be for McCain to go into November behind in the polls to Obama yet again ; )

bhotchkin:

Fireworks from either candidate (especially from both) would be GREAT!!!

"wpost4112:

Obviously, none of the caucuses would show the Bradley effect (i.e. neighbors are probably shamed into the reverse Bradley effect as jb95 described). I am talking about the landslide victory John SIDNEY McCain will have over Barack HUSSEIN Obama in the private polling places. I'll trust those polls myself ; )"

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As I said, the polls hold true not only in caucuses but also in primaries, whether open or closed. So, your point is moot.

if past is prologue, Barack HESSEIN Obama slams McCain. The Dems are coming out 2x and 3x in number to the Repubs...plus Obama gets the Independents.

Fraid McCain will be riding that straight-talk express into the Arizona sunset.

JakeD,

Seems to me, by tossing this 'quote' around, that you're arguing that Senator Obama is somehow dangerous.
If he's dangerous, let's please keep the reasons to just exact quotes (in context), policies, decisions, ability, whatever.
Thanks.

Hope Sen. Clinton has a meltdown in the debate.

Baghdad Bob: Take it from someone who actually HAS a security clearance: Obama would get one, even without being President. The key assumptions is that he would answer the SF-86 honestly (why not, he owned up in his book). His criminal screen would come up clean, since he's never been charged with a felony, particularly in the last seven years. As to drug use specifically, let me quote:

"a Since the age of 16 or in the last 7 years, whichever is shorter, have you illegally used any controlled substance, for example, marijuana, cocaine, crack cocaine, hashish, narcotics (opium, morphine, codeine, heroin, etc.), amphetamines, depressants (barbiturates, methaqualone, tranquilizers, etc.), hallucinogenics (LSD, PCP, etc.), or prescription drugs? Yes No

b Have you ever illegally used a controlled substance while employed as a law enforcement officer, prosecutor, or courtroom official; while possessing a security clearance; or while in a position directly and immediately affecting the public safety?

c In the last 7 years, have you been involved in the illegal purchase, manufacture, trafficking, production, transfer, shipping, receiving, or sale of any narcotic, depressant, stimulant, hallucinogen, or cannabis for your own intended profit or that of another?"

His answer to each question would be no.

Maybe if you hadn't recklessly fired all those Harvard Law review grads, they could have told you that.

"I actully think there is a reverse Bradly effect going on with Obama. There is evidence that many are deciding to vote for him as they enter the voting booth."
==============================

Maybe not.

Exit polls showed that most undecideds broke for Hillary over Barack.

Nevertheless, the last several primaries/caucusses have indeed underreported Barack's support...remember: Wisconsin polls had Barack a few points ahead, if that. But he won by 17.

Some suggest that the pollers do not reach the cell phones of young voters, who vote heavily for Barack, plus they tend to underestimate how many youth come out. Combine that with the undecideds (although more break for Hillary, it's not by much), and you have your inaccurate numbers.

California was was way off because the main pollster was Zogby, known for very unreliable polls (they use the internet heavily). It was the only poll showing Barack ahead. PLUS, half the votes were cast early, and early voting was heavily Hillary.

You always have to leave lots of room for any last minute occurrence...like the ganging-up on Hillary before the NH vote....THAT and the warm weather brought older women in droves and saved her skin.

So, tonight's debate or some other occurrence could once again revive Hillary. But she still needs a significant win in both states to have any chance at winning the delegate count for nomination. PLUS a big win in Pennsylvania.

Or to have a reasonable argument to get the Superdelegate votes.

A Hillary loss or tight win in any three and Barack wins the popular and delegate vote.

Even with Florida and Michigan. He's some million votes ahead.

As I told you before, I've been retired for a while now -- I don't represent anyone -- so, my legal advice is definitely worth what you paid for it.

bhotchkin:

Of course, top-notch law school graduates are required to have their s**t together before they start making an argument -- they are not allowed into court wearing just their underwear either -- I'm not making an argument, though, so lighten up dude ; )

Sorry, I meant zb95. Here's a web site (although I don't have actual numbers of Democrats who are pro-life -- lots of Catholics, in my experience at least):

http://www.democratsforlife.org/

JakeD:

about this qoute you're tossing around here:

I can google all sorts of BS and get results.

Aren't top-notch law school graduates required to have their s**t together before they start making an argument?

Or maybe you're like Sen. Clinton's people and you just say WTF you think will work.

Dodd like the rest of the media has the nerve to tell Hillary to get out of this TIED race???

Chris Dodd dropped out of the race in early January, 2008 after finishing 7th in Iowa and 8th in New Hampshire.

DODD GOT 202 votes in New Hampshire AFTER SPENDING $10 Million dollars. I could have gotten more votes than that without spending any money!

Dodd COLLECTED ZERO DELEGATES!

Hillary has 1270 Delegates.
Obama has 1370 Delegates.

Dodd does not even have the difference. Dodd does not even have the balls to endorse Obama before his state (Connecticut) voted, which Obama won anyway. That is the difference between Dodd (a man) and Hillary (a woman), she has real CAJONES as they say. Enough Cajones to propose Universal Health Care. She wears the pant-suit! Dodd should be ashamed that as a man he does not have half the cajones that Hillary has!

Dodd is also a lifelong Washington insider, senator since 1981 from Connecticut. He represents the change Obama seeks. Change as in zero cents, zero delegates, but 202 VOTES FROM NEW HAMPSHIRE, JUST TO BE CLEAR THAT IS WITH 100% PERCENT OF PRECINCTS REPORTING!

Let the people speak in our so called democratic system, they have not spoken yet...in Texas, Ohio, Pennsylvania, etc.

wpost4112:

Obviously, none of the caucuses would show the Bradley effect (i.e. neighbors are probably shamed into the reverse Bradley effect as jb95 described). I am talking about the landslide victory John SIDNEY McCain will have over Barack HUSSEIN Obama in the private polling places. I'll trust those polls myself ; )

smc91:

If there was any way to still impeach Bill JEFFERSON Clinton, I'd be all for that too.

JakeD,

I'm just applying svreader's standard to any candidate for the presidency, both past and present. I don't think experimentation = abuse, but if this is the case, it should be applied to everyone.

Well, no one "wanted" to stay in Korea for 100 years after that war either -- as long as U.S. servicemen are not getting killed, I agree with McCain that most Americans are fine with our military presence abroad -- only Pat Buchanan / Ron Paul types wants to totally recall every U.S. service member.

"You remember GOVERNOR Tom Bradley out here in California, right? All the polls showed him in the lead too . . ."
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Sure. It's the Bradley effect.
But all of the polls for all of the primaries/caucuses (except NH which was an anomaly because of Hillary's tears) show none of t he Bradley effect.

So, being partial to reality, I tend to trust the polls.

jake: Sure, there are a few pro-life Dems but very very few. Do you know any Dems who want to stay in Iraq for 100 years?

wpost4112:

Do you have the page number for that quote?

jb95:

We shall see.

For those over-heated little minds we are all familiar with, here is the complete quote from "Audacity of Hope," wherein Barack speaks up in defense of American Muslims facing violent and ignorant backlash after 9/11:

"In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

smc91:

Bill Clinton admitting to "smoking" pot but not inhaling -- that's not really "smoking" IMO -- you have a point though that all candidates should be asked when the last time they abused drugs was.

I actully think there is a reverse Bradly effect going on with Obama. There is evidence that many are deciding to vote for him as they enter the voting booth.

"Edward MOORE "Ted" Kennedy took his challenge against Jimmy EARL Carter all the way to the Convention floor -- he still had a brilliant career in the Senate after that, no?"
=====================

Sure. But completely different people/situations.

In 1982, Tom Bradley led in the polls going into Election Day, and in the initial hours after the polls closed, some news organizations even projected him as the winner. Ultimately, Bradley lost the election by 52,295 votes, less than one per cent of the 7.5 million votes cast.

These circumstances gave rise to the term the "Bradley effect" which refers to the tendency of white voters to tell interviewers or pollsters that they are undecided or likely to vote for a black candidate, but then actually vote for his opponent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Bradley_%28politician%29#Gubernatorial_campaigns

P.S. to zb95:

I know plenty of PRO-LIFE Democrats -- you paint with too broad a bruch.

svreader,

Life may have been great, but this isn't the 1990's, and Bill Clinton won't be president again.

And I haven't said anything regarding Hillary. However, this is a fact: Bill Clinton admitting to smoking pot. Unless you were his shadow while he was president, you have no evidence that he stopped abusing marijuana.

svreader:

I agree.

zb95 and wpost4112:

You remember GOVERNOR Tom Bradley out here in California, right? All the polls showed him in the lead too . . .

Anyone who claims to be a Democrat and says they will vote for McCain if their candidate loses is suspect or ignorant or both. McCain is willing to stay in Iraq for 100 more years, he will appoint conservative Supremes and will probably try to repeal Roe v Wade. Any real Democrat would not tolerate that not matter how much they disliked the Dem candidate.

zb95:

Luckily, for million of unborn Americans, she did NOT wrap up the nomination on February 5th.

wpost4112:

Edward MOORE "Ted" Kennedy took his challenge against Jimmy EARL Carter all the way to the Convention floor -- he still had a brilliant career in the Senate after that, no?

"It's not just Democrats for McCain (Remember "Reagan Democrats") but lots of Independents too."
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Most recent CNN poll shows that Independent support for McCain runs to 52% if he runs against Hillary...that drops to 36% if Obama runs against him.

I sincerely hope Obama is defeated so I don't have to vote for a Republican!!!

It never ceases to amaze me that Obama supporters still don't understand that trashing the Clintons was the stupidest thing they could do and the most hurtful to the Democratic Party's prospects.

Obama's got lousy policy plans, but his supporters are reason enough to vote against him.

If Obama gets the nomination, he'll lose by a landslide...

JakeD: According to CNN poll reported tonight Obama leads McCain among Independents by a large margin. Conversely McCain leads Hillary among Indepentdents by a simlar large margin.

CitizenXX:

I do not have that page number yet -- if you search Google for that quote, however, you will find it cited plenty of times -- I do believe it is an actual quote from his book. YMMV

CaptainJohn2525:

I will be here -- hopefully, Clinton is able to to inflict some mortal wounds (FIGURATIVELY, Citizen XX ; )

"I'm sure there is a lot of talk going on. I've read the Dem Convention Rules, and I don't see anything to FORCE Hillary out before the Convention . . ."

Absolutely not.
It's just common sense for political survival.
If she wants to have a brilliant career in the Senate, she'll drop after losing Texas.
Fighting tooth and nail will ruin both Bill and Hillary's standing in the party.

I think Hillary would have dropped by now, but I suspect that Bill, ever the narcissist, keeps egging her on.

Should she win Texas and Ohio convincingly, she's still on.

One woman I would love to see run for president is Kiki McClean, one of Hillary's spokeswomen. Now if Hillary had her native strength and conviction, she'd have won the nomination by now.

I wouldn't mind seeing an Obama/Biden ticket.

JakeD: Hillary wanted to end it Feb 5th. How did that go?

zb95:

It's not just Democrats for McCain (Remember "Reagan Democrats") but lots of Independents too.

Yo, jakeD:

If it had come down to Romney v. Clinton, it would have been an interesting campaign for the presidency. That point, however, is moot. On both sides of the aisle.

I see an Obama v. McCain battle coming. Stay tuned...

See you after the debate.

JakeD,

Do you have that page number yet? I really would like to see the citation for that quote.

It's not as if I assume that such a thing would be put out as a way to smear and discredit Sen. Obama, but I think we both know how this game works.

So, where is this citation?

Funny how these faux Democrats are ready to vote for the warmonger McCain simply because their candidate is a loser. Hope you enjoy 100 more years in Iraq. Pathetic.

zb95:

I'm sure there is a lot of talk going on. I've read the Dem Convention Rules, and I don't see anything to FORCE Hillary out before the Convention . . .

I then explained to him how he had reinforced my decision to leave the Democratic party on the day Obama is confirmed as the nominee. And assured him that I would vote for John McCain in November.

==============================

Go in peace!

smc91 --

Zero times. Bill Clinton doesn't smoke pot.

Hillary is a health nut and never even smoked a cigarette.

Why do you hate Bill Clinton so much?

Life was great while he was President.

svreader....you seem to really be making a big deal about this whole 'HARD DRUGS' thing. But if you think that Bill and Hillary are completely innocent in this area..you sir are being very very naive.

I bet HRC is doing some serious soul searching right about now.

I already cast my primary ballot (I may vote third party in November).

expat06,

A true fellow American!

"The US needs change both domestically and internationally. The only candidate that has both the willingness and ability to work across party lines to get things done is Sen. Obama. The strong arm tactics and need to fight tooth and toenail ever step of the way that Sen. Clinton has vowed she would do has never resulted in success or change in the past. There is no way that it will work in the future and crying will not help either."

JakeD: I believe there is quite a bit of talk going on behind the scenes among many of the Dem party leaders. You can sense it from Dean, Donna Brazille, Dodd's comments today, and others. I think there is a consensus building that Barack is the candidate and they need to figure out a way to end this thing without ripping the party apart. Richardson may also endorse Obama soon and his comments also suggest similar motivations. I think its over but the Democrats realize they need to be very careful how they handle the end game or it could get very ugly.

JakeD --

Keep an open mind about Hillary. She's a centrist and has the best policy ideas of anyone in Washington.

Like McCain, she can't be fit into a box.

I'm open to voting for McCain if Obama is nominated.

Since you didn't get mitt (you didn't miss much) you should take a look at Clinton.

Don't believe what you hear on Rush Limbaugh.

Its a lot more complicated than just "left" or "right" as you probably well know.

There are thousands of Muslims who proudly call themselves Americans, and they know what I know -- that the Muslim faith is based upon peace and love and compassion.

-George W Bush, 2001

Islam is a vibrant faith. Millions of our fellow citizens are Muslim. We respect the faith. We honor its traditions.

-George W Bush 2002

svreader,

It doesn't say "soft drugs," it says drug use. If you have a cite regarding "hard" drugs, please produce it.

There are many allegations that Bill Clinton used cocaine, and by his own admission he used marijuana. That someone has experimented with drugs in high school or college has no bearing on their ability to become president if they no longer use them. And there is no evidence of "abuse" in this case either.

Please explain to me why the American people elected the pothead Bill Clinton if prior drug use is in itself such a damaging fact. Believe it or not, people can abuse marijuana as well. How many times was Clinton stoned in the Oval Office?

Thank you, brigittepj : )

expat06:

Did you read that OBAMA's campaign, in fact, may have sent that photo out in order to blame Hillary for it?

randymk1, since when is traditional Somali costume "Islamic?" I lived and worked in Manhattan from 1997 until 2005. On September 11, 2001, I had 264 people working for me and lost employees, friends, and neighbors. I also watched as our next door neighbors were harassed because of their mid-Eastern appearance even though they were born in the mid-West of the US. I will never forget that day or the surreal experience of watching as the twin towers fell in person, not on TV. Or the screams from people running to hide and crying that we were being attacked as the US military jets flew overhead. This was our lives and not something we heard about on the radio, read about in the newspaper, or watched on TV. Your reaction is exactly what the Clinton camp was hoping for. You see a headdress and the only thing you think is Taliban. I am sure that you assume that he is an Islamic Extremist because of his name too. The question is how would you feel if his name was Jim Jones. Would you automatically associate him with the American cult leader that was responsible for over 900 deaths by cyanide poisoning in Guyana in 1978?

As for peterwoo... what can I say? There is nothing more embarrassing than to be associated with a person who would think, write, and especially submit a comment such as the one you did. I could only hope that you do not call yourself an American, most certainly not an educated American. It was a struggle to read your comment because of how poorly it is written, but after doing so I have a suggestion for you. Instead of calling yourself an American you should consider bigot, racist, Neo-Nazi, or even a Ku Klux Klan member.

I agree with Michelle Obama in that for the first time in my adult life, I am REALLY proud of MY country. The US has come so far that the strongest candidates to the highest office of the land and one of the most powerful political positions in the world are a woman and a person of color. Sure I am proud to be American and in the past I have been proud of our athletes and others, but up until now never really saw myself as proud of my country and its politics.

Who am I? No, I am not an African-American. I am an American who's ancestors hail from Italy and Germany. If I must be classified then you can call me a college educated, middle-class, Gen X, white male, small business owner, veteran of the USMC and supporter of Sen. Obama.

The US needs change both domestically and internationally. The only candidate that has both the willingness and ability to work across party lines to get things done is Sen. Obama. The strong arm tactics and need to fight tooth and toenail ever step of the way that Sen. Clinton has vowed she would do has never resulted in success or change in the past. There is no way that it will work in the future and crying will not help either.

I enjoyed sending Senator Dodd an email today to thank him for this endorsement. I explained to him how I appreciated him inserting himself into the campaign while Senator Clinton was at her lowest point and his suggestion that she is being divisive.

I then explained to him how he had reinforced my decision to leave the Democratic party on the day Obama is confirmed as the nominee. And assured him that I would vote for John McCain in November.

zb85:

Unless Dean pulls a "Vince Foster" on Hillary, what can he do about it?

Another big endorsement for Barack Obama:

Fifteen Hundred Feminists for Peace Endorse Barack Obama.

February 26 - Feminists across the country have signed onto a statement endorsing Barack Obama as the Democratic nominee for President. In rejecting the candidacy of Hillary Clinton, they cite her "seven year record" as a US Senator in which she not only authorized the Presidential use of force against Iraq, but until quite recently opposed all legislative efforts to bring the war and occupation to an end.

http://www.commondreams.org/news2008/0226-03.htm
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Hey Clinton lovers -- Why would feminists not support Hillary Clinton??

Peterwoo - Senator Obama is offering $4000 tuition credit for college students in exchange for community service. I recommend you take advantage of it. Fortunately for you "ignorance" is a curable disease.

CaptainJohn2525:

My "preferred" candidate was Mitt Romney -- I would never vote for Hillary -- kinda "point"less to debate about him, though, don't you think? See you after the debate.

Howard Dean also made some comments today that were remarkable. He said that this camapaign will NOT go to the convention. It will be decided long before that. Suggesting that Obama will have enough delegates and to win it without an ugly battle at the convention.

Dodd's comment about ending the "devisiveness" speaks volumes. I think this is an indication that the party leaders are sending a not so subtle message to Hillary to cool it and that it will soon be time to call it quits.

jakeD:

I guess you aren't up to pointing out your preferred candidate's strengths.

Too bad, but not unexpected.

Have no fear, I'll make sure to touch base after the debate...

I don't have the page number yet.

CitizenXX:

"I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction." (he was referring specifically to Arab and Pakistani Americans)

Where exactly is the quote:

"I will stand with [the Muslims] should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

Can someone cite such a quote, or is this just another "silly" republican swift-boat?

Obama says he is the candidate of change and of the future and Hillary is the past.

Obama's supporters must not be very bright because Senator Kennedy is one of the oldest farts in the Senate. Is he the "past" or is it all right to have experience as long as you stand next to him?

I think Kennedy is going to be pulling the strings on Obama just like Chenney pulled the strings on Bush.

Words do matter and Obama's words and his actions just do not add up.

smc91 --

That only applies to "soft drugs"

Try getting a job at the CIA after telling them you repeatedly snorted cocaine like Obama did.

You'll never get the job.

Why do you defend his use of "hard drugs"

What if it had been Heroin?

Where do YOU draw the line?

Where exactly is the quote:

"I will stand with [the Muslims] should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

Can someone cite such a quote?

O.K., svreader, that makes sense (although I do not recall any GOP politicians defending Mark ADAM Foley, for instance).

It is the Obama campaign that is causing the divisiveness and Dodd should just keep his mouth shut and his opinions to himself.

I hope Hillary gets over how she has been stifled everytime she speaks and lets Barak have it. He certainly deserves it with his holier than thou attitude. His phony piousness is pukey and dangerous to anyone who wants to speak out. (bushtones)

Obama's campaign has been a collective bashing of women and Hillary has been held back verbally because she says one thing and she is labeled a racist.

Well I do not like Obama, am I a racist? He is vapid, big deal he speaks well. I have heard it all before, he says nothing new just what makes you feel good if you have low self esteem and your are convinced your country is worthless. If it is so worthless, get out of here and let those of us who love it here have peace.

Give him h... Hillary, he deserves it. Let him have the nomination, he will be a deer in the headlights when he gets it, and he is going to get it.

In two years, we will have a republican congress back again.

We have three candidates from the worst rated Congress in history. what is everyone so excited about?

The Clinton haters have had a field day, now who are they going to blame when
1 - Barak looses the general election
or 2 - he gets elected and then hides in the bathroom everytime he has to make a decision.

We will be depending on his advisors he is so inexperienced. If they are anything like his campaign managers - we are in trouble, they are unscrupulous and liars and very, very SEXIST.

Posted by: lndlouis | February 26, 2008 06:29 PM

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You really are upset I see. Maybe one of "mothers little helpers" would be in order.

""Your intimate knowledge of flakes I cannot deny."

Posted by: wpost4112 | February 26, 2008 06:13 PM
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Grow up!

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Physician, heal thyself.

Posted by: wpost4112 | February 26, 2008 06:25 PM
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"Your honor, I swear the testimony I am about to give..."

svreader,

You're absolutely wrong that someone who has experimented with "hard" drugs would automatically be disqualified from working at agencies like the CIA.

From the CIA's website:

What if I used drugs or still use drugs; will this disqualify me from employment?

To be considered suitable for Agency employment, applicants must generally not have used illegal drugs within the last 12 months. The issue of illegal drug use prior to 12 months ago is carefully evaluated during the medical and security processing.

What other things have you asserted that you haven't bothered to research first?

JakeD --

That was a typo, it should have said "while Republicans give a pass for doing it with underage Boys"

Both Republicans and Obama supporters are self-rightgeous hypocrites that have high moral standards for others and no standards at all for themselves.

Obama really is the new Bush.

His supporters are the new "Bushies"

Anything Obama does or has done is fine with them, but if Hillary is elected President, they'll move for impeachment if she wears white pants after labor day!!!

svreader:

Which Obama supporters gave a pass to which Republicans who did it with underage boys?

John:

My initial "point" on this thread was that I recalled Christopher JOHN Dodd had already endorsed Barack HUSSEIN Obama, but if ericp331 (middle name unknown) is correct, then it was just Larson, Murphy, and DeLauro. No skin off my nose. My second "point" was that Obama has seemed to take the following stand AGAINST the rest of America: "I will stand with [the Muslims] should the political winds shift in an ugly direction." I think voters should know about that.

JakeD --

The hypocrisy is amazing isn't it.
Obama supporters crucify Bill Clinton for getting a BJ from a adult woman, while giving a pass to the Republicans who did it with underage boys, and giving a pass to Obama for repeatedly using hard drugs.

If Obama had used Heroin, would they still defend him and try to "slide it through?"

My guess is yes.

That speaks volumes about them.

It is the Obama campaign that is causing the divisiveness and Dodd should just keep his mouth shut and his opinions to himself.

I hope Hillary gets over how she has been stifled everytime she speaks and lets Barak have it. He certainly deserves it with his holier than thou attitude. His phony piousness is pukey and dangerous to anyone who wants to speak out. (bushtones)

Obama's campaign has been a collective bashing of women and Hillary has been held back verbally because she says one thing and she is labeled a racist.

Well I do not like Obama, am I a racist? He is vapid, big deal he speaks well. I have heard it all before, he says nothing new just what makes you feel good if you have low self esteem and your are convinced your country is worthless. If it is so worthless, get out of here and let those of us who love it here have peace.

Give him h... Hillary, he deserves it. Let him have the nomination, he will be a deer in the headlights when he gets it, and he is going to get it.

In two years, we will have a republican congress back again.

We have three candidates from the worst rated Congress in history. what is everyone so excited about?

The Clinton haters have had a field day, now who are they going to blame when
1 - Barak looses the general election
or 2 - he gets elected and then hides in the bathroom everytime he has to make a decision.

We will be depending on his advisors he is so inexperienced. If they are anything like his campaign managers - we are in trouble, they are unscrupulous and liars and very, very SEXIST.

you the man Dodd! Seems silly now, but this is good. All the ducks are lining up, and not behind HRC.

""Your intimate knowledge of flakes I cannot deny."

Posted by: wpost4112 | February 26, 2008 06:13 PM
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Grow up!

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Physician, heal thyself.

txpenguin:

I'm not counting Barack HUSSEIN Obama out -- in fact, I thinks he's the odds on favorite at this point -- for the nomination, at least.

bhotchkin:

Ouch.

Iowatreasures:

I shudder too.

"Your intimate knowledge of flakes I cannot deny."

Posted by: wpost4112 | February 26, 2008 06:13 PM
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Grow up!

Awe, jakeD;

I'm touched. Yes, hope does spring eternal.

However, you have underestimated me. As well as many of those that oppose you.

Care for a game? A real one, using only your ability (as well, if you must, of your vaunted knowledge)? It's rather simple, actually.

Make your point, and then I'll make mine. No volleyball 'carries,' no fouls because you don't know how to shoot hoop, no 'call your friends'?

Game On?

"How come he doesn't have a smiling photo of himself next to Louis Farrakhan"

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Old news. Barack disowned Farrakhan long ago.

svreader:

After what they defended with regard to Bill JEFFERSON Clinton, I'm not shocked by anything they defend anymore : (

"Now that he's jumped on the bandwagon, does Chris Dodd get to put on a turbin and dress up like an enemy combatant, too?"

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LOL. Why, did he make the announcement in Kenya?
And I doubt the clothing of a nomad is that of an enemy combatant...not sure how much damage that stick can do.

Posted by: wpost4112 | February 26, 2008 06:11 PM
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It is just a last ditch effort to pull undecided voters over into her camp. It is the same thing as how saying his middle name over and over, is an attempt to portray him in a terrorist/Muslim/not American light. Playing on the ignorant fears of Americans has ALWAYS been the tool of those people that are desperate, and in the minority.

I thought it was funny, and telling, how when she had her "Shame on you rant", she used the terminology "aiding and lending comfort", in reference to lobbyist and insurance companies.

Yea...her people didn't send that photo out...yea!

From Barack HUSSEIN Obama's book Audacity of Hope:

I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.

Posted by: JakeD | February 26, 2008 02:15 PM
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This is what we have been talking about, and what the Arab-African dress on Obama in Somalia is talking about,

and Obama/Rezko close relationship for 17 years, and Rezko funding Obama's campaigns, and buying the presidential election, as well as their close association with an Iraqi billionaire that funds Iraqi terrorists, and Rezko/Obama campaigns.

We should all be leery of what change Obama wants to bring to Washington. Neither Barack or Michelle have been happy with their country their entire adult life time.

I shudder to think what they intend to do if they get to the White House. gw.

Jake D:

"I've been retired for a while now. I don't represent anyone."

Yes, not even yourself (very well).

How come he doesn't have a smiling photo of himself next to Louis Farrakhan and Marion Barry after they endorsed him? Hey you have take these endorsements in total. You can't accept one without accepting the others.

Posted by JakeD:

txpenguin:

First, I have to make sure you are not going to move the goalposts on me. After he secures the nomination, there will be a bombshell October surprise -- trust me.

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Perhaps so, but whether it will eclipse Bill Clinton's Whitewater problems, his "I didn't inhale" (or did he?) pronouncement or John McCains hypocritical dalliances with female lobbyists remains to be seen. The American people like honest redemption. To see a skinny black kid from the street pick himself up and move on to graduate from Harvard Law School and stomp a shrewd political operator like Hillary Clinton in eleven straight primaries is good political theater. Hollywood could not come up with a better script. I wouldn't count Obama out just yet. And BTW, I am not an Obama supporter.

"To me, the issue is pretty cut and dried."

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With drugs, it's usually dried and cut.

Does anyone else know if there's going to be a Debate Thread here tonight? Can't wait for the fireworks (although I honestly thought it was going to be Barack HUSSEIN Obama who was going to have to throw a Hail Mary pass by this point).

JakeD --

It is pretty amazing to have the Obama-nuts defending Cocaine abuse, isn't it?

We've got to draw the line on acceptable behavior somewhere.

I'm blown away that Obama supporters will give him a pass on using "hard drugs"

To me, the issue is pretty cut and dried.

wpost4112,
"You need to learn how to apologize." I know when to apologize, and when to tell a flake to flake off.
You are the one who has misread my postings which regard you"

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Your intimate knowledge of flakes I cannot deny.

wpost4112,

"You need to learn how to apologize." I know when to apologize, and when to tell a flake to flake off.

You are the one who has misread my postings which regard you.

I could care less what your political position is on this board. I have told you what your comments could be construed as, and for you to become defensive, tells me that you know you were wrong.

You should just leave this alone and continue on with your blogging experience.

"Now that he's jumped on the bandwagon, does Chris Dodd get to put on a turbin and dress up like an enemy combatant, too?"

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LOL. Why, did he make the announcement in Kenya?
And I doubt the clothing of a nomad is that of an enemy combatant...not sure how much damage that stick can do.

mrgoalie35:

Asking questions cannot, by definition, be libelous -- more so for public figures. And, using ANY illegal drugs = abuse. For God's sake, mere POSSESSION and not using the drugs is also illegal. How low has the Democratic Party sunk?

Now that he's jumped on the bandwagon, does Chris Dodd get to put on a turbin and dress up like an enemy combatant, too?

"I was just giving you a nice little warning.
Really, you should look beyond the words being said, and straighten your act up."

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LOL. You need to learn how to apologize. You completely misread my response; I explained it to you. You still refuse to accept that explanation. From my vantage, you betray an over-heated imagination. As I said, I have a long history of strong Obama support here at WPost, so your interpretation reminds me of all those Soprano conspiracy theorists who saw symbols everywhere in the last episode pointing to the Tony's death.

Take a breath. Have a laugh. Become a person of Hope not Dread.

Wishing you all the best.

clearbeard:

I believe it was in that context, and I would stand with AMERICA in that scenario.

mrgoalie35:

Feel free to ask Hillary DIANE Clinton any question you feel is relevant -- I don't think she's ever admitted to drug abuse though -- I'm 76 years-old, so I don't know how much more growing "up" I have left in me ; )

bhotchkin:

I've been retired for a while now. I don't represent anyone.

txpenguin:

First, I have to make sure you are not going to move the goalposts on me. After he secures the nomination, there will be a bombshell October surprise -- trust me.

If JakeD is a Lawyer and a graduate of Standford then I am Ronald Reagan!!

He can say whatever he wants to about himself - and based upon the salacious nature of your comments and the baseless accusations and comments!

Lawyers know better than that!! Your unsupported written lies are called libelous!!

Is there a way to use Cocaine that's not "drug abuse"

This whole discussion is sureal.

Are you defending using Cocaine?

I don't think any person who used Cocaine repeatedly should be President of the United States of America.

Frankly, I'm amazed anyone could disagree.

It seems pretty cut and dried to me.

Washington Post editors:

It's time to start moderating comments. I'm sick of racist posts dominating and polluting the discussion on these boards.

I'm sure that if you poll your readers in a careful way, you'll see that the majority of them agree. You're letting these comment boards slip away from your readership.

Posted by: MyManGodfrey | February 26, 2008 04:56 PM

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I agree 100%.

He NEVER STATED that he "ABUSED" Drugs either - THOSE ARE YOUR WORDS!!!

JakeD:

txpenguin:

If Barack HUSSEIN Obama shot up with heroin this morning right before the Dodd endorsement, would THAT concern you?
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Absolutely. Now if you good evidence that Senator Obama shot up with heroin this morning, please trot it out.

wpost4112 @ 4:20:

kind of late for this post,
but "ruby red heels"--
funny.

And JakeD:
If you're a lawyer, glad you don't represent me.
Actually, can't really figure out what you represent.

I understand the assumed reference. I am telling you how we would look at it. I am just giving a heads up. Do not assume that due to my belief in Barack, that I am not FIRMLY CONNECTED with reality.

I was just giving you a nice little warning.

Really, you should look beyond the words being said, and straighten your act up.

Barack HUSSEIN Obama has NOT answered when the last time he abused drugs was -- it could have been within the last 7 years for all we know -- nor whether he ever sold drugs to anyone. Why is that "irrelevant" again?

Posted by: JakeD | February 26, 2008 05:48 PM
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From the VERY SAME SOURCE YOU Barack Bashers use to try and smear him - he STOPPED experimenting with drugs when he got into college!!

Quit being such a jerk - you want to atlk policy issues great - you want to sit here and smear someone - Get A LIFE!!!

PS HAS ANY ONE EVER ASKED HILLARY ABOUT HER PAST DRUG USE?? OR didn't she inhale either?

JackD - Grow Up!

"I haven't read the Audacity of Hope, but I think I'll buy it today just to look up this statement and check out the context in which it was made. I can think of several that might be positive for our nation and the world, not threatening as you seem to imply."

First off, I highly recommend the book. It was a good read, and has a lot of ideas to think about whether or not you support Obama for President.

I vaguely remember the line under discussion, regarding standing with Muslims. The context as I remember it is that if people start to blame and persecute the entire Muslim faith for the insane acts of a handful of fanatics acting in Allah's name, then he [Obama] would stand with the Muslims against such discrimination and injustice. I seem to remember the passage being amidst all sorts of other anti-discrimination sentiment. It has been a year or so since I read the book, so if someone else has a more specific citation, I'm interested in hearing it.

John:

Hope springs eternal -- you have to leave at SOME time.

txpenguin:

If Barack HUSSEIN Obama shot up with heroin this morning right before the Dodd endorsement, would THAT concern you?

jakeD: Point taken that any question is valid. How else would you learn?

But I never said I was leaving...

Sweet dreams,

John

cjroses:

I actually do not think any right wing nut jobs are ruining this forum -- and I am registered Independent myself -- perhaps the moderators appreciate "free speech" More than you?

txpenguin:

I agree with you about security clearance(s) he or she might need -- the Constitution does not bar child molesters from being elected President of the United States either -- do you think THAT would be a good idea though?

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Nope, I sure don't. But I don't equate child molestation with recreational drug use, either.

Thank you, mrgoalie35, for narrowing the timeframe -- let's start there -- Barack HUSSEIN Obama: did you smoke marijuana within the last week?

The right wing nut jobs posting here are ruining this forum. Any moderators...hello???!!!

Barack HUSSEIN Obama has NOT answered when the last time he abused drugs was -- it could have been within the last 7 years for all we know -- nor whether he ever sold drugs to anyone. Why is that "irrelevant" again?

"Increasingly, the goal for the screening of security clearance applicants is whether you are a current drug user, rather than whether you used in the past," said Tom Riley, a spokesman for the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy. "It's not whether you have smoked pot four times or 16 times 20 years ago. It's about whether you smoked last week and lied about it."

txpenguin:

I agree with you about security clearance(s) he or she might need -- the Constitution does not bar child molesters from being elected President of the United States either -- do you think THAT would be a good idea though?

As to the repeated invocations of Obama's admitted experimentation with pot and cocaine as a teenager, it is irrelevant. Here is what the United States Constitution says about the qualifications to be President:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

I don't think that anybody who manages to get elected to the presidency is going to have a problem getting any type of security clearance he or she might need.

mrgolie35 --

I'm not at liberty to answer your question.

"the only dumb question is the one not asked."
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LOL...just how nany of those do you have?

P.P.S. to wpost4112 -- are you SURE he can answer those questions honestly? He has NOT answered when the last time he abused drugs was, nor whether he ever sold drugs to anyone.

svreader :

SHOW ME THE LAW - There isn't ONE!!

here is one of the items from the DOD questionnaire for a Security Clearance:
Section 24 - Your Use of Illegal Drugs and Drug Activity
Required Data. If answered Yes, provide dates of usage, controlled substance/prescription drug used and the number of times used.

Wouldn't even ask that question if it was against the law! Why are you being such a FOOL?

P.S. to CaptainJohn2525 -- how exactly can I be "wrong" for asking a question? Thank you for clarifying YOU are leaving -- I am staying here, just in case anyone else needs to know why (and to whom) I brought up my education. As you will notice, neither of those people posted again -- mission accomplished -- the only dumb question is the one not asked.

If you don't Vote for Barry HUSSIEN (مدرسة) you is so RACIST

If you Do not Like Mrs. Hussein, you is so RACIST

The Clintons are RACIST oooppsss Clinton was the first Black President

The Clintons learn the hard way, Barry HUSSIEN (مدرسة) core supporters are Cannibals

"a -- Since the age of 16 or in the last 7 years, whichever is shorter, have you illegally used any controlled substance, for example, marijuana, cocaine, crack cocaine, hashish, narcotics (opium, morphine, codeine, heroin, etc.), amphetamines, depressants (barbiturates, methaqualone, tranquilizers, etc.), hallucinogenics (LSD, PCP, etc.), or prescription drugs?

b -- Have you ever illegally used a controlled substance while employed as a law enforcement officer, prosecutor, or courtroom official; while possessing a security clearance; or while in a position directly and immediately affecting the public safety?

c -- In the last 7 years, have you been involved in the illegal purchase, manufacture, trafficking, production, transfer, shipping, receiving, or sale of any narcotic, depressant, stimulant, hallucinogen, or cannabis for your own intended profit or that of another?"

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Regardless of the inanity of this particular discussion, Barack can honestly answer "No" to these questions.

Moving on....

mrgolie35 --

Let's just see how things turn out on this one...

Now I know why Republicans have been so confident...

If you don't Vote for Barry HUSSIEN (مدرسة) you is so RACIST

If you Do not Like Mrs. Hussein, you is so RACIST

The Clintons are RACIST oooppsss Clinton was the first Black President

The Clintons learn the hard way, Barry HUSSIEN (مدرسة) hard core supporters are Cannibals

The President can DE-classify, was my point, svreader -- he (or she) does not go through the normal paperwork on January 20th.

JakeD --

That just gives him the ability to classify things.

By law, he would still be disqualified by his "hard drug" history from levels like SCI and above.

Its very complicated, but the bottom line is that if you've used "hard drugs" you can't get the highest level top-level clearances.

Posted by: svreader | February 26, 2008 05:32 PM

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WHY ARE YOU BEING A JERK!

SHOW ME THE LAW - There isn't ONE!!

Here is the section in the FBI application:
The following questions pertain to the illegal use of drugs or drug activity. You are required to answer the questions fully and truthfully, and your failure to do so could be grounds for an adverse employment decision or action against you, but neither your truthful responses nor information derived from your responses will be used as evidence against you in any subsequent criminal proceeding. [bolded in response to jsonic's assertation]

a -- Since the age of 16 or in the last 7 years, whichever is shorter, have you illegally used any controlled substance, for example, marijuana, cocaine, crack cocaine, hashish, narcotics (opium, morphine, codeine, heroin, etc.), amphetamines, depressants (barbiturates, methaqualone, tranquilizers, etc.), hallucinogenics (LSD, PCP, etc.), or prescription drugs?

b -- Have you ever illegally used a controlled substance while employed as a law enforcement officer, prosecutor, or courtroom official; while possessing a security clearance; or while in a position directly and immediately affecting the public safety?

c -- In the last 7 years, have you been involved in the illegal purchase, manufacture, trafficking, production, transfer, shipping, receiving, or sale of any narcotic, depressant, stimulant, hallucinogen, or cannabis for your own intended profit or that of another?

JakeD --

That just gives him the ability to classify things.

By law, he would still be disqualified by his "hard drug" history from levels like SCI and above.

Its very complicated, but the bottom line is that if you've used "hard drugs" you can't get the highest level top-level clearances.

This just in:
Larry Craig accepting applications for summer interns. Knowledge of sign language desired.

Yo, jakeD:

I was the one that said 'Good Night." Your vaunted educated mind must be getting the best of you. And, btw, as a trained spec-ops officer, I of course would have given you the impression that I had logged off. Stupid move on your part.

Maybe you should say good night, after you apologize to those you have offended.

Most likely, however, not your (lack of) style. That is, admitting you, with your Stanford "I graduated the top of my class" degree, that you may in fact be wrong.

Which you are. Wrong, that is.

Sirack:

Wake up and Google "Obama and Exelon".

Not true. Prior use of "hard drugs" is a garenteed show stopper.

I'll see if I can find you some links...

crd203:

Then how would you be able to post?

svreader:

The President (and arguably Vice-President) have "Original Classification Authority": http://www.fas.org/sgp/bush/eoamend.html

mrgolie --

That's why Bush never admitted it.

Obama did admit it, and by doing so, has made himself ineligible, by law, for high-level security clearances.