The Trail: A Daily Diary of Campaign 2008

Chezqua,

That's a mighty long read, but a highly informative one. It certainly helps put the lie to Hillary's ridiculous exaggerations about her "foreigh policy accomplishments." The senator is a true fabulist--or to put it in less flowery terms, a now-proven liar.

All of which makes me question why the WaPo isn't doing some actual in-depth reporting on these and other Clinton distortions instead of posting these stupid, shallow blog entries. Once upon a time, the Post was a real newspaper. Now it seems to be an empty shell of its former self, at least online. Katharine Graham would be ashamed.

Martin...

It's a common tactic to force someone else to take on one's burden of proof. It was not my obligation to read your biography before posting. It was your responsibility to bring a specific charge. You then resort to attacking me as an uneducated poster (along with a gratuitous slam at the Clinton campaign). My news sources include the Post, the BBC, C-Span (great for unfiltered discourse), and the Economist amongst others. A range of voices foreign and domestic. Sorry if your writings for a conservative magazine fails to impress me. You're a bomb-thrower. Nothing more.

I see that you also abandoned your claim that the Lewinsky scandal forced parents to have THAT talk. Then again, if it got a few ostriches to take their heads out of the sand, Bill did us a national service.

BB

Of course she is padding her resume, I did that many times, I've read such resumes many times. Basically it doesn't do any good, because somehow such resumes sound slightly awry. I never got a job based on a touched up resume.

I am increasingly worried, however, about the self destructive path of the Democratic Party. You can perfectly see it in threads like this. The discussions are increasingly aggressive and some of the commenters behave outright trollish.

http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2008/03/16/peak-bile/

svreader-you should be called sv-nonreader. It is obvious that you only know what the Clinton propaganda line is and you have no facts.

Speaking of Irish, the Irish exposed her resume padding this week.They said she had really nothing more to do with the Northern Ireland peace talks tan a photo op. And now comes her exposure over the S-CHIP bill passage. The senators really behind that said she had nothing to do with writing that either. Cut out the fluff Hillary. Just give us the facts. Like we want to see the tax forms for you and Bill for 2000-2007 where you and Bill actually received the $50million , even if they are Xerox copies!

what kind of person she is. Dishonest.

Posted by: jjacobs_msn
==========================================

Are you saying Obama is honest. My goodness, he is a career politician. They're all dishonest to a degree. They are talking to fools, don't you know.

Interesting WashPo how you ignored the stunning and very warm reception Hillary received thru the whole parade. This was not a staged event and it shows that Obama mania never made it to Pa. We know BS when we hear it. We will save the Dem party from itself and the many Independents who helped Obama win other states. This is a closed primary.
-- -- --
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton transformed the annual St. Patrick's Day parade into a blocks-long campaign rally as she was marched and waved before an almost uniformly welcoming crowd.

Mrs. Clinton was flanked by a show of her Pennsylvania support, Gov. Ed Rendell, Lt. Gov. Catherine Baker Knoll, County Chief Executive Dan Onorato and Mayor Luke Ravenstahl, as she was cheered without interruption under a gray sky.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08076/865599-85.stm

And check the photo caption! They are a bit early but eventually will be right.

"Democratic presidential nominee, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, appeared in the St. Patrick's Day parade Downtown yesterday. She was accompanied by Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato on her right and Gov. Ed Rendell on her left."

svreader, thanks for the information. I may not agree totally with you at the political level, but we favor democrats and that is what is important. Raising two daughters who became MD is something very significant. If this is true, all my congratulations!

How anyone can say the teachings of Reverend Wright in the name of Christianity are okay is beyond me.
I am so sick of hearing this crap about it being a black thing, that whites don't understand.
I understand that the blacks were mistreated. I understand that minorities have been mistreated, all minorities. I understand that women have been treated as property and mistreated.
But I did not mistreat any black person and no black person making these racist remarks was themself a slave.
They are Americans, the same as I am an American. When other people come to our country and become American citizens they take an oath to this country.
Why is it okay for the people of this church to swear allegiance to Africa but enjoy all the benifits of being Americans.

Racism is not one-sided.
I am white and was raised in the South Philadelphia slums. I went to an all black school and let me tell you, the blacks even when I was in first grade were already filled with hate towards me because I was white. Little kids, 7 years old would surround me and say give us your milk money, and when I said no they would say "we gone git you after school."
When I was in Junior High School I used to get a permission slip to leave school 5 minutes early so I wouldn't get beat up on the way home.
I lived in a family that did not believe in racism but that didn't matter to the kids at school because at home they were being taught racism.
I have a sister who married a black man, and a nephew who is bi-racial and I do not see people by the color of their skin.
We have to move past this racial divide, but people like Reverend Wright and people who want to be a part of this kind of organization do not do anything to put this divide behind us.

I cannot accept that Barrack Obama does not share these views that were expressed in his Church while he sat there for 20 years.

Racism still lives in our society and it will not be eradicated by constantly living in the anger and hate of our ancesters of any race. We are all Americans.
If you don't love this country and want to give your allegiance to another country than that is where you should live.

I love my country and although it is not perfect, I would not want to live anywhere else. I will not vote for a racist for my President.

svreader are you afraid? I don't have a PHD certainly you can out-debate me.

what are Clintons qualifications for president?

with no response I'll just assume she is unqualified for the job.

-- Patrick

More and more Hillary seems to be holding a live grenade in a Democratic party and warning that if she doesn't get the nomination, we will be sorry ...

No Ma'am, we are sorry, but not over that.

We are sorry the way you and your husband disgraced the presidency and the Party, playing victim while you passed us the bill.

Now we are saying, your latest check has bounced for insufficient funds--you have no more credit after the race baiting, the blatant misrepresentations, and your failure to even come close with a stacked deck ...

logan6 --

Nope. Both are MD's.

We need some facts from the Clintons and their supporters... We need the Clintons' records (tax returns, White House records, list of big donors to their foundations). With these facts, the Clintons will go to jail and Barack will move on with McCain.

FairlingtonBlade:

You say "baseless charge" to my comment:

"Not for those of us who gave up promising careers to throw our bodies in front of the tank of corruption being driven by the Clintons."

Type my name into Google and the word "whistleblower."

Just for giggles, at in the name "Reno".

See what you come up with.

You should educate yourself before you make claims such as you did ... but of course, with trained seals running the Clinton campaign, what could one expect?

svreader,

get some help!

or better yet post everywhere, pretty soon everyone who reads your diatribes will vote for Barack.

oh yeah, by the way where are those facts? I guess they just don't exist.

Thanks,
Patrick.

Martin...

Oh yes. Bill having an affair is the reason that millions of American children were exposed to... wait for it... SEX. I wonder what sort of conversations parents today have been having about internships, wide stances, and proper wiring of money for call girls. I suspect that the conversations held on Sept. 12, 2001, were far more serious and disturbing.

You've let yourself be distracted by trivia.

Now to more substantive charges

"Not for those of us who gave up promising careers to throw our bodies in front of the tank of corruption being driven by the Clintons."

Baseless charge.

"And not for those proud of the Democratic Party's record on civil and human rights; the Clinton campaign engaging this time around in race coding/baiting, and Hillary just two years ago justifying torture."

You know damn well that the first charges were sent out by the Obama campaign. To be precise, the reference to MLK's dream was a comparison of Kennedy & Johnson (as evidenced by Teddy being livid over her comments). The Obama campaign made it matter of race.

Race and gender were inevitably going to play a role in this campaign. With the exception of Bill's clumsy comments following the S. Carolina primary, this has largely been an honorable campaign by both candidates. Ferraro stepped over the line. As did Wright. I judge both candidates by their own statements. I'll be delighted to support either of them. When it came time to cast my ballot, I voted for Clinton on the basis that I believed she'd be a more effective president.

Judging from the infighting within her campaign, I've reconsidered that judgement. However, those hurling baseless charges against her, damage the party and themselves.

BB

I was a great admirer of President Clinton. Barring the sex scandals involving Monica Lewinsky, Paula Jones etc.,his presidency was, by an large, something every American should be proud of. In the last stretch of his tenure, he came very close to clinching a peace deal in the Israeli-Palestinian dispute.

But in his entire presidency, there was not one significant moment where it was reported that his wife Hillary played any noteworthy role in the conduct or management of his foreign policy. Many of those involved in the Northern Ireland peace deal have refuted her claim that she played any major role or direct involvement in that peace process.

As for her experience in Health care issue, one can safely say that the failure of the Health Care programme during her husband's presidency was largely due to her lack of skills and diplomacy in bringing together lawmakers from both sides of the aisles.

She cannot make claim on any major success of any significant endevour, other than being a champion for women's rights, during her period as First Lady. Therefore, all this claim that she is the most experienced among the three canidates vying for the presidency is nothing but a mere hot air! If at all, if there is anyone with the most experience, it would be John McCain, followed by Barak Obama. Hillary can only be a poor third!!

McCain is the perfect man for WW-III. But we are not there yet. There are people that need jobs, better cooperation that need to be established between nations to face the immediate challenged of denuclearisation of Iran and North Korea, fight against terrorism networks, etc. McCain would be perfect in conventional warfare. But at the beginning of this 21st century, there are other problems that need to be dealt with.

If Oprah had not endorsed - and then campaigned for - Obama, we'd have forgotten this guy many months ago. He'll always owe his political life to Oprah Winfrey! Will you guys wake up? Obama's a kid! Four years as a senator and he's qualified to be president? You've GOT to be kidding! McCain has 27 years of military experience (while Obama was too good to join the military); yet Obama wants to be commander-in-chief? Scarry! Hillary has her baggage to be sure but she's forgotten more about politics and government than Obama will ever know.

FarlingtonBlade-So?

They are not MY Fault!

My Senators are John Cornyn and Kay Bailey-Hutchison! :-)

I have GOOD Senators! Ha-Ha! ;~)

Not at all irrelevant, my dear FairlingtonBlade.

Not for parents who had to have THAT conversation with their pre-teen children thanks to Bill, and Hillary, for she knew what goods we were being sold in 1992, and kept on hawking them.

Not for those of us who gave up promising careers to throw our bodies in front of the tank of corruption being driven by the Clintons.

And not for those proud of the Democratic Party's record on civil and human rights; the Clinton campaign engaging this time around in race coding/baiting, and Hillary just two years ago justifying torture.

And those are just a few reasons. But they should be sufficient.

Martin...

Nice quote, if irrelevant. I'll spot you the negatives of the 90s if you'll give Sen. Clinton credit for everything that went well.

You can't have it both ways. She can't be responsible for everything bad in the 90s (I'm still waiting to hear what was so horrible about the 90s) and simultaneously told that none of that counts for experience. Either you're not a Democrat or you're a hypocrite.

I'm a social liberal and a fiscal conservative. Clinton I (with help from a Republican congress from 94 onwards) was both. Bush II is neither. I'll take Clinton II over McBush III.

BB

Quoting the Rat "until recently I felt that Both Hillary and Barack could be Senators-we have had worse."

Umm, Rat, they ARE senators. But, you're right. We have had worse. Vitter. Stevens. Craig. A true honor roll...

BB

FairlingtonBlade:

"The struggle of man against power is the struggle of memory against forgetting."

-- Milan Kundera

EGObama EGObama EGObama

NObama NObama NObama

Obama is calling for "Unity" today. Rings.... empty!!! As he fights tooth and nail against Florida and Michigan voters rights.

Everything he does is so "convenient" - for himself.

Invoking JFK and RFK today, once again Obama steals the words of great men to promote himself. Men who would be able to see through him in a heartbeat. Men Obama's life doesn't hold a birthday candle to. He has a lot of nerve - a lot of ego.

He might want to ask permission from RFK Jr. before using his father's words. RFK Jr. is a strong and adamant Hillary supporter.

He thinks he's going to tell us what to think and do. He's going to change the conversation from his lies, his cockiness, his lack of a resume, his inexperience, his unelectability, his kitchen sink full of his own dirty dishes. He thinks over a weekend he's going to step up and tell us what to think, say this say that and wave that famous magic wand of his and all his troubles and any consequence of them are are going to disappear. Everyone will BELIEVE every word he says. Boy, his mother must have given him the wrong idea about responsibility.

We aren't at all all enamored with him.

What Mr. Obama needs to do is to retire with his "spiritual adviser" and his wife. Maybe they'd all prefer Africa. They are very popular over there and they don't have to pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States. They could be proud of where they are. Hate for them to be false or anything. It should help them if they're living in their favorite land. Maybe the Kenyan flag would be easier to get that hand over your heart for?

Kind of a hard life - aspiring to everything white, yet hating and cursing it on Sunday! And through Christ no less!

I am so sick of people questioning Hillary Clinton's credentials. Her 35 years of experience include:

1. Worked for a corporate law firm. She was unfairly entangled in billing disputes.
2. Served on WalMart board. She had no issues with the labor policies there.
3. Formulated a health-care plan. The vast ring-wing conspiracy made it a disastrous health care plan that postponed universal coverage for years.
4. Travelled to over 80 countries. She had tea with foreign leaders.
5. She has extensive experience in the senate and voted for the war in Iraq.
6. Scandal after scandal. Why oh why?
7. Within a couple of years managed to lose both the house and the senate due to vindictive and divisive politics of the Clintons.

With experience like this, who needs Republicans to harm the Democratic party?

Martin... You seem to be obsessed with the wrong Clinton. Sen. Clinton has compiled a decent record of working across party lines. I know. It would be a shame to return to that horror that was the 90's for the U.S. Rising incomes. Reduced poverty. The horror. The horror.

BB

svreader,

no one likes to be personally attacked. but you do it all the time.

then you act offended when you get put in someone's sights ...

don't you see the parallel to your own well-developed sense of victimhood and that of the never-responsible-for-their-actions Clintons?

time passes, awareness grows.

svreader-until recently I felt that Both Hillary and Barack could be Senators-we have had worse.

The Lawyer Hillary I still think could master the ropes. But, as the Executive, Nope! Reasons stated!

As for the America Damning Socialist-I hear Dubayy still has some nice lofts available, and they are even getting a Six Flags! ;~)

I've finally figured out why Hillary has been claiming all this first-lady experience: she's paving the way for Michelle in 2016 or 2020! Actually, after hearing her speak, we could do a heck of a lot worse... at least she's not schizophrenic.

Dr. svreader, I assume that your daughters are fervent Obama's supporters, is'nt it? Do they have Ph.D. too?

In a thread of too many posts to read, I decided to search for the term "Hussein". What a shock, our resident xenophobe rat. At least Remy could cook.

Svreader - I see you've moved on from attacking the character of Sen. Obama to that of anyone who votes for him. As someone who didn't, please go away. You turn off anyone who would consider voting for Sen. Clinton. At least, please don't post until after Pennsylvania votes.
BB

Martin --

You're in love with a fantasy.

Barry Obama is bad news.

rat-the --

Also, don't believe what you hear about Hillary.

She's one classy lady.

I don't know a VC firm that wouldn't give anything to have her as a partner, or to run their hottest company.

She's got a steel-trap mind.

She's the smartest person I've met in Washington, and I know a lot of people there.

In 1960, speaking of another classy Illinois Democrat, Gene McCarthy begged his fellows not to turn their backs on a man who had made them all proud to be Democrats.

Do not, he said, leave this prophet without honor in his own party.

Today, the Democratic Party is faced with the choice to honor its wonderful traditions, or lurch backwards to a legacy that can be summed up in two phrases that should put teeth on edge:

The Reaganesque, "The time for big government is over."

And the burlesque: "I did not have sex with that woman."

Let's get the Party back on track, and the country moving again, by getting behind Barack Obama.

There is no other real alternative for Democrats proud of their heritage.

rat-the --

I know mitt personally.

Trust me. You don't want him.

svreader, I DO have an issue with what Slick did, and what both Dem. Contenders want as far as Amnesty.

At LEAST McCain will NOT appoint Libbie Judges, and at least he IS qualified for half the Job(Commander in Chief).

BUT, Clinton's de-regulation of the Banks, and EO 13166 have done very greivious harm to ME, and Our Country in general!

If you have not figured it out yet,

I DEMAND Mitt ROMNEY as the Vice Presidential Candidate! IF, McCain does not get him in, the RepubliCANS, might not! ;~)

gene9 --

I don't have the time. Far from it.

I became a Democrat after having a "near death experience"

I decided to focus my efforts on getting Universal health care passed.

Although I can afford to pay for pretty much anything I want out of my pocket many people can't.

As a country, we can't do everything, but I feel that at least we can ensure that no American dies alone, in pain, in the gutter.

I started posting here because I believed I could make a difference.

Its clear all I've done is waste my time, energy, and emotion.

One of my daughters is an emergency room physician.

I asked her about her work and she said that most people who come in with gunshot wounds are mean and nasty to the Doctors trying to save their lives.

What I've learned from interacting with Obama supporters is that many of them act like infantile, heartless, thugs.

I'm starting to believe that I was wrong about Democrats and the Democratic Party.

I hope that's not the case, but Obama's supporters insult anyone who disagees with them and care more about winning at any cost than they do about human suffering.

Obama's supporters are arrogant and cruel.

I want no part of them.

Yguangzhao,

I hope the Clinton camp is still paying you well for your pro-Hillary postings. Nice work if you can get it.

Hi Svreader,

I think we have all gathered that you don't care for Obama. Noted.

Why should someone vote for Clinton for president? What positive traits does she have?

Are you afraid to respond to this question and the others I've posted?

Are all Clinton supporters this timid in defending the qualifications of their candidate?

-- Patrick.

Wow, Mr. SVreader, where do you get the time to spend to do all these postings? Just scanning them quickly turns up scores of them. If you DO have a PhD., I've always heard that we all know what BS stands for, and PhD means "Piled Higher & Deeper." Is that correct?

Cant you even link the right story or are you too biased in favor of Clinton Wapo

rat-the --

I'm starting to get convinced.

If Hillary's the Democratic Candidate, I fund her and vote for her.

If Obama's the Democratic Candidate, I'll vote for McCain.

Obama's supporters act like ignorant thugs.

I want no part of them.

Martin- I suspect that Chelsea's Mother does have some Irish.
But, for Single Women that were unfortunate enough to have been born without,

They CAN, always still get some in them! ;~)

And for those who cannot appreciate a little humor about St. Patty's,

Pugah Ma Hon! ;~)

"So long, farewell Auf wiedersehen goodbye. Hillary, you lie and exaggerate about your experience and so know you lose and must return to the Senate. Goodbye. Goodbye. Gooooodbyyyye..."

For "god dam- America" Pastor Wright and Sen. Obama's relationship:

Pastor for 20 years,
Friend,
Mentor,
Spiritual leader,
Gave inspiration to write a book, 'Audacity of Hope',
Was married by him,
Baptized two daughters by him,
Thanked him after he won the Senate seat,
Consulted him before deciding to run for president,
Prayed privately with him before announcing his candidacy,
Member of his campaign team (resigned today),
And was like an uncle.

HILLARY HAD TWO GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENT OR RATHER FAILURES: 1. SHE FAILED TO STOP MONICA 2. HER HEATLTH CARE PLAN COLAPSED BECAUSE HER AOOGAMCE.

Caminito:

I'm glad you read the links and came to your own conclusion. That's all I'm trying to do.

Hi WhitmanArtGroup,

In the interest of disclosure, I am an independent not a Democrat. I vote for a candidate not a party.

I don't vote on either race or gender lines. If Hillary was the best candidate I would vote for her. The presidency is about the future of America, its not about electing a woman or a minority.

Prior to Clinton's race baiting I would have voted for her. The way her campaign has been run is reason enough not to vote for her. To me, Clinton looks like GW, there appears to be nothing she wont do or say to get the presidency. And like GW, what has she said that is really true?

Equating Barack Obama to George Bush is ridiculous. Barack is highly educated, George Bush is not. Barack is a self made man from a poor background, GW has been given everything all his life. Barack has shown leadership on the war, GW has not. GW is radical and a fear monger, Barack is not. GW claims to talk to God! (You have got to be %$@! kidding!). Barack was president of the Harvard Law Review, GW didn't even get in to Yale!

The comparison is ridiculous, drop it.

Would you provide some details about the supposed arrogance you've seen in Barack Obama? I just don't see it. He has gone out of his way to avoid the race issue. He has gone out of his away to renounce supporters that attack his opponents on a personal level.

In fact, McCain, in my opinion, deserves some praise for renouncing the bigots and racists in his own party. But, to me, it appears that Clinton has a hard time separating herself from bigoted supporters (Geraldine Ferraro for example).

Are you seriously suggesting that Clinton is more likely to stop the Iraq War than Barack?! Or that Barack wouldn't stop the war? And why is the war a feminist issue? Does one need to be a woman to oppose war?

-- Patrick

I don't think Hillary has any "Irish" to get up.

I understand that even the Leprechauns and their ladies are preparing ladders so that all the wee folk can vote for Barack Obama for president!!!

Happy St. Patrick's Day to all posters of good faith and cheer.

And the beat goes on. Someone get me a blanket, I'm still feezing in Chicago.

svreader,

your postings ooze with the intellectual dishonesty, bile and politics of personal destruction so typical of the Clintons and their disfunctional clique.

thank god the times they are a'changing.

so get some rest, and give it a rest.

you have discredited yourself so many times that people are going to think hillary might pick you for a running mate.

Hillary often claimed to have been fully tested by the republicans. The real testing will happen when Hillary will agree to release her records (tax returns, White House records, list of big donors to the Clinton foundation). Hillary is not cooperating to release these records because they will probably highlight numerous scandals. For the interest of the majority, it would be best to pressure the Clintons to release these records as soon as possible so that Barack can move on to the next stage of the election with McCain.

svreader's breaking out of the BOX! :-)

LOL! There is MORE to life than hating one Racist Liar!

Now, svreader, consider this beautiful thought:

Military Competent McCain, embraces a Brilliant Independent Washington Out-Sider, who is BOTH a Legal and Business Genius, to Balance the Executive Ticket PERFECTLY!

A man who will be giving his salary to Charity!

A VERY Decent Man, with a Lovely Family!

McRomney is what this Country NEEDS in '08! :-)

Obama supporters are the best tool for recruiting Republicans in the history of the Republican Party.

A vote for Hillary today helps John McCain this fall ...

Think about it.

The Democrats need to move on now.

Even Eliot Spitzer showed personal accountability by taking responsibility and resigning ...

Bill Clinton didn't, and he and a bunch of GOP yahoos plunged the country into one of the ugliest periods in American politics.

Hillary can't win the nomination, and even if she did, there would be massive desertions from core Democratic constituencies that still believe in fairness and government accountability.

Net result?

McCain as president.

Is that what real Democrats want, the type that helped Roosevelt and Kennedy offer the country, first a message of hope, then new vistas of accomplishment?

Real Democrats believe in personal responsibility and government accountability.

The Clintons do not.

Time to move on ... before we get slam dunked with a past the Clintons foisted upon us.

Presidential politics is not some sleezy Jerry Springer pagent ... the Clinton White House was, and would be again, if people are dumb enough to let that happen.

meldupree:

You're welcome. Anything I can do to raise the level of discourse here.

Dear NICK HARDY

I am fortunately not retarded

But you should be careful with your qualifications, especially because you have not read carefully my post and therefore not realized that I was being
sarcastic with my obsrvation regarding scoundrels !!

You owe me an apology !!

CAMINITO

I and every other thoughtful, caring, person who posts here are wasting our time.

Obama-nuts are like the "Hitler Youth" or Mao's "Red Guards"

You are madly in love with their "leader", but they have no idea what kind of a guy he really is.

I feel sorry for their parents.

Obama's "groupies" are going to have to learn the hard way.

I'll leave them with one simple promise.

If Obama gets the nomination, McCain will win the election.

Obama nuts have angered so many Democrats, so deeply, that we'd rather elect a Republican than to see you be rewarded for your infantile behavior.

If McCain gets elected, I'll pay less taxes, as will most large Democratic donors.

Maybe its time for us to re-consider our party.

If people like Obama's supporters are the future of the Democratic Party it will become even worse than the Republican party is now.

Caminto,

The clintons are as pure as the driven snow, almost angelic. And so honest. I hope my daughter meets omeone so decent, heck she only meets scoundrals so far...
God bless that lucky girl Chelasea.
Who incidently is now older tha Monica was at the time....
Scoundrels... no way ....

I and every other thoughtful, caring, person who posts here are wasting our time.

You Obama-nuts are like the "Hitler Youth" or Mao's "Red Guards"

You are madly in love with their "leader", but they have no idea what kind of a guy he really is.

I feel sorry for your parents.

You Obama's "groupies" are going to have to learn the hard way.

I'll leave you with one simple promise.

If Obama gets the nomination, McCain will win the election.

Obama nuts have angered so many Democrats, so deeply, that we'd rather elect a Republican than to see you be rewarded for your infantile behavior.

If McCain gets elected, I'll pay less taxes, as will most large Democratic donors.

Maybe its time for us to re-consider our party.

If people like you are the future of the Democratic Party it will become even worse than the Republican party is now.

As I look hard for Hillary's claimed 35 years of foreign experience, I only saw Emperor's Clothes on her. Here is one response from Ireland.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/08/wuspols108.xml

Nobel winner: Hillary Clinton's 'silly' Irish peace claims

By Toby Harnden in Washington
Last Updated: 9:30am GMT 08/03/2008
Page 1 of 2

Hillary Clinton had no direct role in bringing peace to Northern Ireland and is a "wee bit silly" for exaggerating the part she played, according to Lord Trimble of Lisnagarvey, the Nobel Peace Prize winner and former First Minister of the province.

"I don't know there was much she did apart from accompanying Bill [Clinton] going around," he said. Her recent statements about being deeply involved were merely "the sort of thing people put in their canvassing leaflets" during elections. "She visited when things were happening, saw what was going on, she can certainly say it was part of her experience. I don't want to rain on the thing for her but being a cheerleader for something is slightly different from being a principal player."

If one must lie to get by, she doesn't believe in herself. How can she lead? She is not qualified for the Oval Office.

Caminto
"never had scoundrels afriends.." Are you retarded or something? What sort of person would you say a woman who knowlingly has an ongoing affair with amrried man is?
Obviously not a scoundrel. And the Intern?
Speaking of scoundrels...pan towards the camera please. raise youidignant little fingera dn declare before the world ...
"I did not have .......with that woman"

No nothing scoundrel like there at all..

i thought this was supposed to be about the SEVEN additional delegates barack obama picked up in IOWA today...????

THANK YOU IOWANS!!!

OBAMA '08!

The folks who claim that Hillary's experience as first lady cannot count are the same people who claim that Hillary had been harboring greater political ambition from the time she was in the womb.

To not have absorbed anything being that close to the action for eight years one has to be a total moron, a person devoid of any ambition, or a combination of both. Why the two Mrs. Bush's fall in the above category is left to the reader as an exercise.

You can say a lot of things about Hillary, but it is abundantly clear from her biography that Hillary is neither a moron nor lacked political ambition. She had been actively involved in politics right from the time Bill ran first for Governor. She wasn't baking cookies back at home.

So, the people who gratuitously compare this situation to a cheer leader wanting to play quarterback don't know what the heck they are talking about. They are only flaunting their ignorance. It is more like a junior partner in a law firm or an accounting firm. Every experience counts if not directly then by osmosis.

And the fact that she was not directly involved in some decision making does not negate the experience either. Only a fool would want to learn everything by making his or her own mistakes. Hillary is no fool. It is much better to learn from others' mistakes.

Great news. Obama has broad appeal and I hope he wins.

Nick.Hardy --

At this point, I'd be almost as happy to vote for McCain.

You and the other Obama supporters need a swift kick in the butt, and the Republicans are just the people to give it to you.

I used to feel sorry for you guys.

Now I feel you get exactly what you deserve.

And, no, I'm not talking about people of any particular race, color, or creed.

I'm talking about the infantile jerks that shill for Obama without ever bothering to find out who he really is or what he did back in Chicago.

to mnteng

The SUN TIMES writes:

"But their company, Rezmar Corp., did come up with $1,000 (whole $1000 !?)to give to the political campaign fund of Barack Obama, the newly elected state senator whose district included the unheated building'

It is obvious that the author is not an Obama friend. But what he writes, i.e. that Reszko was able to come up with $ 1000(!!) for the campaign of THE NEWLY ELECTED state senator seems to document that OBAMA could not be accountable for Reszko's misdeeds!!

And that he knew this guy from school times on he told repeatedly to anyone.

SO WHAT !! I, as anybody, had also some friend with become a bad guy, but is this my problem as long as I didn't help him
to do his misdeeds ?? And, on the political lebel, I, who was in college a leader of the anti-communist students, had nevertheless a friend who was a communist ??
And what is so bad in respecting religionwise a priest with outrageous social opinions ??

And of course: Bill and Hillary had never friends which were scoundrels, which, as said, would have been no problem as long they were not involved in business with them !!

CAMINITO

Its beacause of people like svreader that Obama has every chance of becoming President. Please svreader you keep showing us what it means to be a support of HRC. Are you really a Democrat?

Obama supporters are infantile.

The cover their eyes and ears to keep out information they don't want to hear.

I and other readers have posed links to news reports from Chicago TV and newspapers about Obama's slums.

No matter how much evidence Obana's supporters see, they just cover their eyes and ears and sing "LA LA LA"

The truth is in the public record.

The evidence has been posted over and over.

Obama supporters are just afraid to face it.

Dear svreader,
I am new to reading blogs but I quickly learned to look at the name of the blogger and when I see your name, just don't even bother to read them anymore. It'a obvious that you hate Obama. Do us all a favor and don't vote for him. Save us all from your irational thinking. Join me other bloggers, ignore svreader and go to the next blog. Don't make any comments regarding his blogs. Why inflate this person's ego by even paying any attention to him.
Ann D

mian --

Please watch the Video.

Barry Obama isn't the kind of guy you think he is.

Would we be listening to a male candidate in the sam manner if his wife had been sleeping around and he kept saying, you know it is about our families and kids..

I doubt anyone will respond as svreader has seemingly become a candidate...

I think Obama is every bit as qualified, if not more qualified to be president than Hillary. Look, Obama served eight years in the Illinois Senate. Lincoln served eight years in the Illinois Senate. Obama served three years in the U.S. Senate and Lincoln served one year in the U.S. House of Representatives. Lincoln, along side Franklin D. Roosevelt, is considered one of the greatest, if not the greatest U.S. president. That is because of his judgements, judgements about preserving the union, fighting the Civil War. As Obama says, he(Obama)has shown good judgement on one of the most fundamental issues of our time, to go or not to go to war in Iraq. Hillary showed extremely poor judgement and approved George Bush's very, very bad decision to go to war. And she has backed the Bush administration on almost every vote that dealt with the war. She has also shown poor judgement on other key issues, like how she handled health care. Being a former president's wife who has made a lot of bad judgements does not add up to being the most qualified to be president. Oh yes, on that 3 a.m. telephone call. Hillary did answer, but the call was really for Bill. "Bill, it's THAT woman," she said. She is still with Bill. Talk about bad decisions?

Leon,
In OHIO

I think both Clinton and Hillary are fantiastic candidates. Obama is just better of the tow. He is one in a life time candidate.

svreader, Hillary threw a lot of women under the bus with Bill's "bimbo eruptions." What kind of woman would kick another woman when her husband tries to sexually harass her? A power-hunger woman like HRC.

mnteng,

thank you (and no thanks to svreader) for the links. I can read them and make my own decisions.

So there you have the scoop the good readers of The Post have a heads up on what will be coming out in the NYT..
Good work svreader...

svreader: Fair enough. I'm open minded and persuaded by facts and if your allegations about Senator Obama will be reported on in the NY Times and washington Post, I will take a careful and dispassionate look at the facts as I do with all candidates.

ME: Hey Bam! Those are ugly shoes man!
BAMA: YOU RACIST S O B!

jovitman --

Never ask for something, you might get it.

Expect to see lots of reports about Obama now that his "Teflon" is gone.

Once the NYT publishes their exposee about Obama, I expect we'll see something in the Washington Post as well.

sv reader: Help me, somebody help me as I'm feezing. Someone get me a blanket, I'm freezing. I live in a Barack Obama project in Chicago!

Simple question svreader: Why haven't I heard from any newspapers like the Washington Post or the NY Times the allegations you keep making ad nauseum about Senator Obama being a Chicago slum lord politician? If this is so, why is he then still so popular in the poorest neighborhoods in Chicago? Do you know something they don't know or that you simply appointed yourself as the all knowing philosopher king who has to tend to the wanton ignorance of the poor and victimized?

Please spare me the stale and predictable conspiracy of the MSM response as to why your allegations haven't been widely reported and give me an intelligent response.

mnteng --

I didn't copy the link from you.

Obama supporters have more arrogance, and less to be arrogant about, than group I've ever run into in my life.

Obama supporters arrogantly claim that only they can bring "change"

Their claim is so childish it's infantile.

Every candidate running for President will bring "change"

The question is, what kind of "change" would each candiate bring?

What kind of "change" do they care about?

Barak Obama has shown himself to be completely without any concern for the poorest of the poor who voted for him and elected him in Chicago.

Obama let the very same people who elected him and trusted him rot in unheated slums.

Is that the kind of man we want as President of the United States of America?

There is only one possible answer.

The answer is NO.

Say NO to Obama's empty hype and cruel treatment of the poorest of the poor.

Say NO to Barry Obama.

Lots of people in Chicago wish they had.

svreader, what is so infantile about asking you to back up your claims and arguments? You try to obfuscate the argument? Where are your primary sources, doc? You have neither primary sources nor a Ph.D.

Did svreader get his qualifications from the Chicago newspapers, seems to be all he can quote...
Heres and idea, maybe he can quote the artciles from the Washington Post which show ho HRC is coming underfire for her stories, err...make that 'claims'.

Hilary has been campaigning for president too long --since November 2000 at least. She gave enough adresses to contradict herself on just about every subject. It's difficult to see her governing when all we have seen is campaigning as far as my memory goes. It does not mean she would not be a good president. But this is getting very old.

svreader- Consider THIS:

At this time, I would LOVE to have Barack try to win against McCain! ;~)

LMFAO! :-o

rat-the, logan6 --

I hate Obama because I hate self-righteous hypocrites that prey on the weak, young, and foolish.

With you guys, Obama's clearly hit the trifecta.

TO LEICHTMAN

I plea guilty regading your CAPITAL LETTER observation

But you shall tell me where in my post there was even a hint of a menace ?? Or
do you call such my unwillingness to continue to discuss with somebody unwilling to acknowledge facts ??

This is my last post to you, unless you explain yourself with facts (you are free to say this is a menace !!)

caminito

And I think it was Hilary Clinton who removed removed Excalibur from the stone.

meldupree and contactozzy:

Looks like svreader finally got around to reading the links I posted on a different thread a couple of days ago. I'll take the blame for the Sun-Times post. Here's the link to what he copied:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/rezko/353829,CST-NWS-rez23.stng

Here's the index of stories.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/rezko/index.html

Of course, Rezko's on trial for something unrelated to his developments on the South Side of Chicago.

And yes, I'm a Ph.D. too.

Logan6, well, let's be fair here. Hillary Clinton has brand-name recognition, a husband stumping for her as a former president and titular head of the DNC, the blessings of the party's heads, and she had a $137M war-chest to boot. In addition, HRC has a formidable political machine that grinds her opponents to nothing.

Here come this upstart junior senator who has none of the advantages except the gift of oratory (or gab, to his detractors), a vision and the ability to organize diverse people groups. Senator Obama's campaign outhustles and outmuscles HRC and leads in numerical metrics that stuns political junkies and experts alike. No one is more stunned than Clinton, who tries time and again to minimalize Obama to no avail. Her sense of entitlement means she engages a scorched earth plan ("if I can't have the nomination, you can't either) and tries to throw Obama under the bus for McCain (a stupid move not lost on too many Dems). By his campaign skills alone, Obama has shown himself a worthier standard-bearer for the DNC.

logan6 --

FDR's litle dog "fala" would be a better candidate than Chicago Barry Obama, and that dog's been dead a long, long, time.

svreader-I must say, I am becoming concerned for you.

What will you do if Obasama leaves the Race, and the Senate? Your ENTIRE purpose in life will be gone.

TRY, to give it a break, spread out your obsessions, or possibly seek help.

I, Bite anyone, and Everyone-That gets in my line of fire. I do it to point out Problems/solutions/and in some cases just to vent.

I question your motives/ reasons for your obsession about Barack Hussein.

Did he uninate in your Cherios, or something?

How long will the Democratic Party have to risk choking to death on the Clintons' sour grapes?

Their argument, that they should be allowed to steal it fair and square, would cause a massive defection from the Democrats by several constitutencies, including anyone concerned with honesty and transparency in government (definitely not a Clinton core support group).

Time to move on ...

svreader, I understand your frustrations... In general, it's very hard to find facts to supports claims; it's an intellectual challenge. But when you need to find facts to support claims that Hillary is a better candidate than Obama for the presidency, then it's an impossible task. Even for those with Ph.D. (or in my case someone working on it).

meldupree --

You are just as inept as Obama is when he tries to cover up the truth, or explain away his disgusting actions.

You have no credibility on these boards, and neither do any of your fellow cult members.

You just make fools of yourselves.

I am glad that the media is focusing it's attention on the candidates claims/policies. This gives HRC an opportunity to discuss her accomplishments. I like this type of politics better than the personal attack stuff.

DISPATCHES FROM THE GROUND WAR ...

LINDY MCDOWELL REPORTS IN THE BELFAST TELEGRAPH:

What's really the Troubles with Hillary's peace claims

[Published: Wednesday 12, March 2008 - 15:57]

The comedian Spike Milligan once published an autobiographical work about his Army service in World War II entitled Adolf Hitler: My Part in His Downfall.

Spike, it goes without saying, was playing for laughs.

Not so Hillary Clinton, who as part of her current campaign for the Democratic nomination in the US has staked her own claim to fame in the always contentious field of foreign conflict resolution.

The Northern Ireland Troubles: My Part in Sorting Out That Lot.

As Hillary herself put it during a recent interview on CNN: "I helped to bring peace to Northern Ireland."

Beat that Barack Obama.

Hillary Clinton - Ireland's Dalai O'Lama.

The role Hillary played in our peace process was, it seems, low-key, so low-key, in fact, that David Trimble, who jointly won the Nobel Prize for, er, helping bring peace to Northern Ireland can't quite remember it.

Lord Trimble, as he now is, says that frankly she had no direct role in the process and that she is a "wee bit silly" for exaggerating her input.

Scathingly he adds: "She visited when things were happening, saw what was going on, she can certainly say it was part of her experience. I don't want to rain on the thing for her but being a cheerleader for something is slightly different from being a principal player."

Ouch!

In fairness, it should be pointed out that Lord Trimble's fellow Nobel winner John Hume has countered: "She played a positive role for over a decade in helping to bring peace to Northern Ireland. She visited Northern Ireland, met with very many people and gave very decisive support to the peace process." The thing is - "visiting Northern Ireland", "meeting with very many people" and giving "very decisive support" - just about every touring celeb and his or her granny could claim that.

In fact, I can't recall a single visiting head of state, spouse of visiting head of state, pop singer, actress, potential investor or fading soap star who dropped in during that period, who did not show 'very decisive support' for peace. Let's face it, they were unlikely to argue against it.

Hillary, however, would seem to infer she went a bit beyond mere cheerleading.

In her autobiography she describes a meeting at a cafe on the Lower Ormeau hosted by the late Joyce McCartan and attended by representatives from women's groups from both sides of the community.

Nothing new there, of course. Contacts between such groups have long been the norm here. Although an outsider mightn't guess that, the way Hillary tells it €

"I remember a meeting that I pulled together in Belfast, in the town hall there, bringing together for the first time Catholics and Protestants from both traditions, having them sitting a room where they had never been before with each other ... "

I know. Don't laugh.

I remember the visit to the cafe (town hall!) well. It was what's known in the business as a photo opportunity. Something to keep the presidential spouse occupied while the actual office bearer was getting down to business.

It was a short, staged event 'pulled together' by local organisers. Amid all the security men and Press photographers it was hardly conducive to real business.

Instead, a bit like David Beckham's recent trip to Africa to play footie with small children thus raising the awareness of UNICEF's role there, the point of the cafe visit was to underline the good work already being done here. Cheerleading just about sums it up.

Ironically, drawing attention to past Clinton visits, only raises the spectre of an episode Hillary might prefer to forget.

When Bill arrived here in 1998 it was claimed in some quarters that the trip had rather conveniently helped him escape media attention back in the US where L'Affaire Lewinsky was then at its height.

If she's what really drove him here, shouldn't Monica also be eligible for peace-processing honours?

It's no less tenuous than Mrs Clinton's claim for credit.

Your piece in our peace?

As the intern might have said, you were close Hillary ...

But no cigar.

"Her role in Northern Ireland seems to have been as engaged participant in the peace talks but not one of the chief negotiator."

Really? Is that what she is saying? Do you know very much about the peace process?
The Good Friday accords at Stormont were hammered out over a period of time and were quite painstaking. When exactly did Hillary Clinton participate in those talks and by what authority?
Is accompanying her husband to meet with local dignitaries and having her picture taken being an "engaged participant" ?
Given, appearances by Tony Blair and Bill Clinton and their wives created background noise that change was on the way.
But that isn't what you are saying here or apparently what Clinton is saying either, because the campaign is apparently your source.
Check the coverage in your own paper in 1998, and even in January 2008 to see who the active participants were.
It's St Patrick's Day, not April Fools Day.

Obama supporters like meldupree are infantile.

medupree and other members of the "cult of Obama" cover their eyes and ears to keep out information they don't want to hear.

I and other readers have posed links to news reports from Chicago TV and newspapers about Obama's slums, including reports from Chicago's Channel 5 news, and articles from the Chicago Sun-Times, but cult members like meldupree continue to claim that "there's no evidence" or "no citation of where the evidence is from", even though the people posting the information have provided all of that.

No matter how much evidence Obana's supporters like meldupree see, they just cover their eyes and ears and sing "LA LA LA"

The truth is in the public record.

The evidence has been posted over and over.

The truth will be the end of the "cult of Obama"

I do not think anyone should be surprised that Hillary exaggerated her claims to anything she thinks would help her campaign. This kind of dishonest behavor is a trait that has hounded the Clintons from day one in Washington and elsewhere in their political life, and seems likely to continue if Hillary gets her conronation.

Enrique

WhitmanArtGroup, did Jesus worked on the street of Illinois as an activist, trying to find jobs to laid off stell workers? Well maybe. Then maybe Obama is Jesus! But Obama certainly does'nt think so. If you believe that he is arrogant, then maybe the problem is that you are too quick at juging people with preconceived idea... that a black has no place running as president? I am not sure what is you bias. But Obama is not arrogant. Hillary is... Her campaign was organised in fonction that she was supposed to be the nominee. After Iowa she was supposed to be crowned... and there after super-tuesday... If this is not arrogance I do not know what is.

svreader, please offer citations and primary sources, not the rehash you have been peddling like a drug dealer. Dates, pages, sources of the primary kind, please.

SVREADER,

Son you need to go out and get some fresh air. And while you are at it, make some real friends. You can't have a relationship with your keyboard and think that its a real person. Its not!!

Seems to me svreader, that your lack of citation skills are equivalent to Hillary Clinton's foreign policy record. Makes good reading, but there is nothing there.

In a few weeks, Obama won't be leading anywhere.

Anyone who supports Obama has no clue who he really is.

Watch the Video.

Obama is a real jerk.

Obama let the people who elected him in Chicago rot in slums when he was supposed to get them decent housing and he funneled $100M to his friend Rezko.

It was Obama's responsibility to make sure his voters got what they paid for.

He didn't do his job.

He didn't care what happened to them.

He only cared about himself.

Does winning the primaries mean so much to Obama's groupies that they abandon all principle?

How can they even THINK of supporting a man who did what Obama did in Chicago to the poorest of the poor who elected him???

Please Watch this report on Obama, Obama's slums, Rezko, and $100M of wasted taxpayer money, from Channel 5, Chicago's most respected TV news program.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHsHM0laT8&feature=related

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but the real Obama is a really bad guy

From the Chicago Sun Times:

For more than five weeks during the brutal winter of 1997, tenants shivered without heat in a government-subsidized apartment building on Chicago's South Side.

It was just four years after the landlords -- Antoin "Tony'' Rezko and his partner Daniel Mahru -- had rehabbed the 31-unit building in Englewood with a loan from Chicago taxpayers.

Rezko and Mahru couldn't find money to get the heat back on.

But their company, Rezmar Corp., did come up with $1,000 to give to the political campaign fund of Barack Obama, the newly elected state senator whose district included the unheated building....

The building in Englewood was one of 30 Rezmar rehabbed in a series of troubled deals largely financed by taxpayers. Every project ran into financial difficulty. More than half went into foreclosure, a Chicago Sun-Times investigation has found.

"Their buildings were falling apart,'' said a former city official. "They just didn't pay attention to the condition of these buildings.''

Eleven of Rezko's buildings were in Obama's state Senate district....

Rezko and Mahru had no construction experience when they created Rezmar in 1989 to rehabilitate apartments for the poor under the Daley administration. Between 1989 and 1998, Rezmar made deals to rehab 30 buildings, a total of 1,025 apartments. The last 15 buildings involved Davis Miner Barnhill & Galland during Obama's time with the firm.

Rezko and Mahru also managed the buildings, which were supposed to provide homes for poor people for 30 years. Every one of the projects ran into trouble:

* Seventeen buildings -- many beset with code violations, including a lack of heat -- ended up in foreclosure.

* Six buildings are currently boarded up.

* Hundreds of the apartments are vacant, in need of major repairs.

* Taxpayers have been stuck with millions in unpaid loans.

* At least a dozen times, the city of Chicago sued Rezmar for failure to heat buildings.

Obama supporters like logan6 are infantile.

Logan6 and other members of the "cult of Obama" cover their eyes and ears to keep out information they don't want to hear.

I and other readers have posed links to news reports from Chicago TV and newspapers about Obama's slums,
but cult members like logan6 continue to claim that "there's no evidence"

No matter how much evidence Obana's supporters like logan6 see, they just cover their eyes and ears and sing "LA LA LA"

The truth is in the public record.

The evidence has been posted over and over.

The truth will be the end of the "cult of Obama"

WhitmanArtGroup,

Liar, Liar pants on fire!!!

PhD in what?? Stupidity??

I have no doubt that Hillary Clinton had much, much more than the traditional role of First Lady while in the White House during her husband's time as President, both in terms of influence and in terms of conceptual policy input... but it still seems a stretch to me to equate this to actual elected Executive experience.

I will vote for either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama come November as I simply can't bear the idea of yet more Belligerent White Man foreign policy and absurdly skewed tax-breaks-for-the-richest as cure-all domestic policy.

But... my god, I hope the Democrats don't just throw away this very real chance for America and the world to change course....

P.S. I am Ph.D. candidate. This should be obvious by the facts I put forward to support my claims.

svreader still no facts to support a Clinton candidacy?

I understand you dislike Obama, but what is your candidate for?

Why should I vote for Clinton over a Republican candidate?

Come on, your apparently some kind of CEO / PHD type, you must be able to ariculate why your candidate should be elected to the presidency?

What kind of experience does Obama have? Obama is sort of like a freshman in high school comparing a freshman University student... they are both not as seasoned - but really there is a BIG difference between the two.

If svreader has a Ph.D. then svreader should know that a claim must be supported by facts. If svreader can not put forward facts, then svreader has problably no Ph.D. or svreader is full of ....

Obama supporters are infantile.

The cover their eyes and ears to keep out information they don't want to hear.

I and other readers have posed links to news reports from Chicago TV and newspapers about Obama's slums.

No matter how much evidence Obana's supporters see, they just cover their eyes and ears and sing "LA LA LA"

The truth is in the public record.

The evidence has been posted over and over.

The truth will be the end of the "cult of Obama"

I Hate Obama and if he is the nominee I will leave the Democratic Party after 32 years!

I am a true Democrat, a yellow dog Democrat. My extended family are Democrats. I have voted for every Democratic nominees since I turn 18 and voted for Jimmy Carter. Well I have had it with Democratic party if Obama is chosen as the nominee. Yes, I will vote for John McCain.

I grew up in countryside in Kentucky near Nashville; I always felt that I was dumb and uneducated, (although I just received my PhD at 51.) Well America is real dumb.

They went crazy for the unknown fool George Bush; that had bankrupt everything he was ever involved in. He was placed on a Throne- and with all the lies, injustices, incompetence in the Bush Reign- America is once again ready to give the keys to a 'stranger'- that has reframed Democrats and Republicans working together. (Hell that was Hillary Clinton's idea 2 years ago.)

Anyway I hate Obama, for many reasons and the main one is his arrogance. He is the new Jesus and America's blind are following once again into the land of the unknown.

I am disappointed that woman are not seeing the historic nature of electing Hillary Clinton as Madam President. It would raise the status of women worldwide. It would bring a fresh non-testosterone perhaps we could finally end war? It would be change.

is svreader a thinly duguised seperatist?

I noticed that the Clintons' supporters rarely put forward factual details to support their claims against Obama.

I also noticed that the Clintons are not putting forward their White House records to support their claims about Hillary's experience, and their tax returns and list of big donors to their foundation to contradict claims that they are not mixed up in businesses with lobbyists and dirty money. How should we interpret the following facts...

The Clinton foundation received recently a $31.3 million donation after Bill expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader's, undercuting both American
foreign policy and sharp criticism of Kazakhstan's poor human rights:

Source:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

In january 2008, the Clintons received $20 million from business deals with Dubai in the Middle East:

Source:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/22/bill-clinton-severs-ties-_n_82616.html

The Clintons need to release their records if they want us to stop thinking that they are mixed up in dirty businesses and that Hillary does not have the experienced that she is claiming to have.

In svreader's world, facts are fiction and fiction is face (reminds me of "Alice in Wonderland").

Obama supporters arrogantly claim that only they can bring "change"

Their claim is so childish it's infantile.

Ever candidate running for President will bring "change"

The question is, what kind of "change" would each candiate bring?

What kind of "change" do they care about?

Barak Obama has shown himself to be completely without any concern for the poorest of the poor who voted for him and elected him in Chicago.

Obama let the very same people who elected him and trusted him rot in unheated slums.

Is that the kind of man we want as President of the United States of America?

There is only one possible answer.

The answer is NO.

Say NO to Obama's empty hype and cruel treatment of the poorest of the poor.

Say NO to Barry Obama.

Lots of people in Chicago wish they had.

Hi Svreader, thanks for your response, although it appears off topic.

I don't see any facts that support her presidency. I see no facts in your response that demonstrate her integrity, experience, qualifications, judgement or what she believes in.

Come on support your candidate.

jd5024...

I will vote for you and I believe all the Hillary supporters will vote for you as well since you match their criteria for experience and so forth!

Yeah, and pigs have wings.

Folks, get ready, because I can hear it now!

"I was FOR Obama, before I was against Him"

LOL! By "Guess Who"? ;~)

svreader, when you cite a source, you are to give the title (which you did), date and page number. See the Chicago Manual of Style (15th Ed). But you have a Ph.D. (so you claim), so you should know how to cite references.

Btw, Obama will make a great President of the United States!

I am taking this opportunity to announce my candidacy for president.

I run on my foreign policy experience. I have visited many countries, and am instrumental in everything good that has happened in them.

Everything bad that happened was the Republicans fault.

For example, the economic boom is Spain coincided with my goodwill tour there, when I boosted the economy and strengthened American relations by spending freely at the nightclubs and bars.

I will continue to do this as your President.

Thank you.

Reading through these comments, I see a trend of a country in distress. There are two currents. One current that is afraid of change because they are afraid of loosing their current privileges (the clinton supporters). Although they profoundly know that the people they support are part of the problem, they keep being blind and hope that the problems will go away by themselves.
The second current (the current of change) is composed of distressed people who feel there is a need for change that may help resolve the issues without that much sacrifices. Both block are to blame for the current gridlock.
It is no surprise that the current of change is driven by young people willing to bet on the future. The current of change was visible in both parties, republicans with Ron Paul and Democrats with Obama. The republicans missed the chance to renewal by electing the old guard with Mc Cain. The democrats are one the verge of committing the same mistake.
One must assume that the americans can read human history and see for themselves.
The more you postpone the change, the painful is gets later.

typing in all caps and making threatening remarks does not make your statements any more valid.

Trying to explain to you dnc guidelines about superdelegates and how they don't fit your nice little box on what they MUST DO to accomodate you doesn't worknor does your type in all caps.

And somehow asking you why your candidate has suddenly asked for 2 debates this week and has absolutely no answer to Pastor Wright in April 2007 doesn't fit permissable discussion. Grow up, get out of the sandbox and attempt intelligent debate without trying to censor those of us who dare disagree with you or your candidate.

""The forthcoming book "Obama's Slums" contains heart-breaking stories from the families and friends of people who "froze to death" in "Obama's Slums" as well as graphic pictures of the bodies of the victims.""

I have heard that AP is reporting that Hillary just came out of the closet. Supposedly an African American woman in her 30s. Is that correct???

Barack Obama picks up 7 of Edwards' delegates from Iowa as half of Edwards' delegates switched. Hillary got ZERO new delegates.

DES MOINES, Iowa - Democrat Barack Obama expanded his fragile lead in delegates over rival Hillary Rodham Clinton on Saturday, picking up at least seven delegates as Iowa activists took the next step in picking delegates to the national convention.

Half the 14 delegates allocated to John Edwards on the basis of caucus night projections switched Saturday and Obama got most, if not all, of them.

Iowa Democratic Party officials said that with more than 86 percent of the delegates picked, Obama claimed 52 percent of the delegates elected at county conventions on Saturday, compared to 32 percent for Clinton. About 16 percent of the delegates picked at Saturday's conventions were sticking with Edwards, even though he's dropped from the race since Iowa held its caucuses in January.

Democratic Party projections said the results mean Obama increased by seven the number of delegates he collects from the state, getting a total of 23 compared to 14 for Clinton and seven for Edwards, with one to be decided.

Barack Obama picks up 7 of Edwards' delegates from Iowa as half of Edwards' delegates switched. Hillary got ZERO new delegates.

DES MOINES, Iowa - Democrat Barack Obama expanded his fragile lead in delegates over rival Hillary Rodham Clinton on Saturday, picking up at least seven delegates as Iowa activists took the next step in picking delegates to the national convention.

Half the 14 delegates allocated to John Edwards on the basis of caucus night projections switched Saturday and Obama got most, if not all, of them.

Iowa Democratic Party officials said that with more than 86 percent of the delegates picked, Obama claimed 52 percent of the delegates elected at county conventions on Saturday, compared to 32 percent for Clinton. About 16 percent of the delegates picked at Saturday's conventions were sticking with Edwards, even though he's dropped from the race since Iowa held its caucuses in January.

Democratic Party projections said the results mean Obama increased by seven the number of delegates he collects from the state, getting a total of 23 compared to 14 for Clinton and seven for Edwards, with one to be decided.

Barack Obama picks up 7 of Edwards' delegates from Iowa as half of Edwards' delegates switched. Hillary got ZERO new delegates.

DES MOINES, Iowa - Democrat Barack Obama expanded his fragile lead in delegates over rival Hillary Rodham Clinton on Saturday, picking up at least seven delegates as Iowa activists took the next step in picking delegates to the national convention.

Half the 14 delegates allocated to John Edwards on the basis of caucus night projections switched Saturday and Obama got most, if not all, of them.

Iowa Democratic Party officials said that with more than 86 percent of the delegates picked, Obama claimed 52 percent of the delegates elected at county conventions on Saturday, compared to 32 percent for Clinton. About 16 percent of the delegates picked at Saturday's conventions were sticking with Edwards, even though he's dropped from the race since Iowa held its caucuses in January.

Democratic Party projections said the results mean Obama increased by seven the number of delegates he collects from the state, getting a total of 23 compared to 14 for Clinton and seven for Edwards, with one to be decided.

From the "Chicago Sun-Times"

For more than five weeks during the brutal winter of 1997, tenants shivered without heat in a government-subsidized apartment building on Chicago's South Side.

It was just four years after the landlords -- Antoin "Tony'' Rezko and his partner Daniel Mahru -- had rehabbed the 31-unit building in Englewood with a loan from Chicago taxpayers.

Rezko and Mahru couldn't find money to get the heat back on.

But their company, Rezmar Corp., did come up with $1,000 to give to the political campaign fund of Barack Obama, the newly elected state senator whose district included the unheated building....

The building in Englewood was one of 30 Rezmar rehabbed in a series of troubled deals largely financed by taxpayers. Every project ran into financial difficulty. More than half went into foreclosure, a Chicago Sun-Times investigation has found.

"Their buildings were falling apart,'' said a former city official. "They just didn't pay attention to the condition of these buildings.''

Eleven of Rezko's buildings were in Obama's state Senate district....

Rezko and Mahru had no construction experience when they created Rezmar in 1989 to rehabilitate apartments for the poor under the Daley administration. Between 1989 and 1998, Rezmar made deals to rehab 30 buildings, a total of 1,025 apartments. The last 15 buildings involved Davis Miner Barnhill & Galland during Obama's time with the firm.

Rezko and Mahru also managed the buildings, which were supposed to provide homes for poor people for 30 years. Every one of the projects ran into trouble:

* Seventeen buildings -- many beset with code violations, including a lack of heat -- ended up in foreclosure.

* Six buildings are currently boarded up.

* Hundreds of the apartments are vacant, in need of major repairs.

* Taxpayers have been stuck with millions in unpaid loans.

* At least a dozen times, the city of Chicago sued Rezmar for failure to heat buildings.

I AGAIN SUGGEST TO IGNORE POLITELY POSTERS LIKE "SVREADER" AND SUGGEST ADD LEICHTMAN IFHE CONTINUE TO POST SUCH KIND OF POSTS !!

CAMINITO

contactozzy, you are not going to get any facts or truth from svreader! With respect to the youtube video he keeps posting the link for, I have asked svreader for the primary sources so I can do my own fact-checking. Nothing except the usual name-calling and shrills from his keyboard. So trust me, don't hold your breath waiting for facts from svreader; you could rewrite "War and Peace" and "Democracy in America" long before that!

Maybe Obama is Victor Friesz(Mr. Freeze).

HILLARY CLINTON'S DIRTY DONOR INFO - SHE IS TRYING TO HIDE FROM USA

News lead on Hillary Clinton's Donor who is black mailing DNC

His name is Chris Korge

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2008-01-24/news/hillary-clinton-s-money-man/

He has a bad past of deals :

Some of Korge's deals that raised questions at county hall include:

• In 1992, he was the lobbyist for Sirgany International, which was vying for a contract to run airport newsstands. Korge business associate Sergio Pino, a Cuban-American, was a minority partner in Sirgany's proposal. Though the joint venture was ranked second and third in two impartial evaluations, the county commission chose it for a 10-year contract. A 2002 Miami-Dade Office of the Inspector General (OIG) report concluded that minority involvement in the deal was "neither real, meaningful, nor legitimate."

• The next year, Dade Aviation Consultants, a consortium of engineering firms overseeing Miami International Airport